alt.rhode-island does milk.
Don Mac Phee
Well to be honest, I'm an avid milk drinker. It's not uncommon for me to
toss down a gallon every 3 or 4 days at home, and another gallon at work
every two.
I loathe Guida Farms, have very little tolerance for Cumberland Farms or the
like. My favorite of late has been Hood in the light-block bottle, and I
decided to try Rhody Milk.
1) The stuff is expensive. Look to a 20-25% increase over competing brands.
2) It is rich, and has a slight, but no unpleasant aftertaste. I suspect
that it has a slightly higher fat content than Hood, but I can't be sure.
3) The packaging is nice as they've gone to screw-top cardboard cartons.
I might spend the extra money on it, but I'm going to go back and forth for
a little bit as I work out the kinks. (BTW: It makes excellent chocolate
milk, and I will try the Eclipse/Autocrat taste test later on this week.)
-Don
Kimba
We used to buy our milk at Wrights Dairy in North Smithfield, but we
had to make a special trip to do it. Not to mention having to run the
gauntlet of sinful indulgences from their bake shop in order to get to
the milk <g>
We signed on with Munroe Dairy at the RI Home Show, and we've not been
sorry. The milk is outstanding and the glass bottles make a big
difference, too.
We pay a bit more, but it's worth it.
A side benefit is that they also offer Barneys Bagels :)
Kimba
--
"It's a god-eat-god world."
-- (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods
Thomas Reynolds
different in quality. Some is bland enough to be almost tolerable on cereal
and other bottles actually are a taste treat. I cannot remember if this
happened in RI, but every once in a while around here the cows get into the
wild garlic. Now, that is really nasty milk. First time it happened I
thought I had been poisoned.
"Kimba" <kimbago...@fuggedaboutit.net> wrote in message
news:ruqug0pb85lh0ak7k...@4ax.com...
Linda M. Young
<trey...@erols.com> wrote:
> happened in RI, but every once in a while around here the cows get into the
> wild garlic. Now, that is really nasty milk. First time it happened I
> thought I had been poisoned.
That used to happen all the time with Cumberland Farms milk. About
1966 my parents decided Hoods was too expensive and started buying
Cumberland Farms. God, that stuff was NASTY.
Linda
"I'm from Rhode Island...
I only work in Georgia."
Kimba
<trey...@erols.com> wrote:
>While not in RI, I also note that different brands of milk can be very
>different in quality. Some is bland enough to be almost tolerable on cereal
>and other bottles actually are a taste treat. I cannot remember if this
>happened in RI, but every once in a while around here the cows get into the
>wild garlic. Now, that is really nasty milk. First time it happened I
>thought I had been poisoned.
Hey - instant cream sauce for fettucine :)
Tony P.
kimbago...@fuggedaboutit.net says...
I remember getting a tour of Monroe Dairy when I was a kid. Nice to know
they're still around, if I recall correctly they're the last milk/dairy
delivery service in the state.
But then we've also got Peapod (Stop & Shop) and Thymesavers.
Kimba
<kd...@nospamplease.verizon.reallynospam.net> wrote:
>I remember getting a tour of Monroe Dairy when I was a kid. Nice to know
>they're still around, if I recall correctly they're the last milk/dairy
>delivery service in the state.
Christiansen's in North Providence is still operating - I pass their
HQ on my way to RIC.
Dee Vee Zee
<macpheeN...@cox.net> wrote:
> What?
>
> Well to be honest, I'm an avid milk drinker. It's not uncommon for me to
> toss down a gallon every 3 or 4 days at home, and another gallon at work
> every two.
>
> I loathe Guida Farms, have very little tolerance for Cumberland Farms or the
> like. My favorite of late has been Hood in the light-block bottle, and I
> decided to try Rhody Milk.
>
> 1) The stuff is expensive. Look to a 20-25% increase over competing brands.
> 2) It is rich, and has a slight, but no unpleasant aftertaste. I suspect
> that it has a slightly higher fat content than Hood, but I can't be sure.
> 3) The packaging is nice as they've gone to screw-top cardboard cartons.
Run, don't walk, to Wright's Farm in North Smithfield. Not only do they have
the best bakery (and hermits!) on the planet, but their milk is to DIE for.
And it's worth every penny.
Wishing someone could ship Wright's milk to me as I type this,
Yvette
Sarasota FL
Dee Vee Zee
"Kimba" <kimbago...@fuggedaboutit.net> wrote:
> We used to buy our milk at Wrights Dairy in North Smithfield, but we
> had to make a special trip to do it.
Kimba! LOL!!!
We WERE separated at birth!
Yvette "Whose Mom and Dad STILL think it's a 'Special Trip' to get from
Woonsocket to Providence" Trahan
Sarasota FL
Kimba
Hey, folks here in town go all wide-eyed and everything, when I tell
'em I work in Providence <G>
Kimba
<Deli...@isnotmail.com> wrote:
>Run, don't walk, to Wright's Farm in North Smithfield. Not only do they have
>the best bakery (and hermits!) on the planet, but their milk is to DIE for.
>And it's worth every penny.
Yeah, and you get to meet the providers, in person, too :)
A
> ... my parents decided Hoods was too expensive and started buying
> Cumberland Farms. God, that stuff was NASTY.
That's so funny, Linda. I usually buy Garelick Farms milk at Stop and
Shop. Occasionally we run out and walk a couple blocks to buy Cumberland
Farms milk at the corner store.
My kids *adore* the Cumberland Farms milk and beg me to buy it all the time!
Chacun a son gout, as they say in ... Woonsocket?! ;-)
- Anne
A
> Hey, folks here in town go all wide-eyed and everything, when I tell
> 'em I work in Providence <G>
I useta get that reaction when we lived in Little Compton and I was
working here in Providence. Down there on the peninsula, going all the
way <snort> to Fall Reeve to buy some Bronhard's kielbasa was the big
thrill. ;-)
- Anne
Linda M. Young
<Deli...@isnotmail.com> wrote:
> Run, don't walk, to Wright's Farm in North Smithfield. Not only do they have
> the best bakery (and hermits!) on the planet, but their milk is to DIE for.
> And it's worth every penny.
I've been thinking of ordering the Wright's Farm hermits online. I
take it they are good? Are they chewy or soft? Do they have a strong
molasses flavor or does the spice flavoring predominate?
I've never eaten a hermit yet that could equal the ones from the old
Gansett Bakery. Having some good ones would be wonderful.
Tony P.
kimbago...@fuggedaboutit.net says...
> On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 22:40:42 -0400, Dee Vee Zee
> <Deli...@isnotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On 8/3/04 6:43 AM, in article ruqug0pb85lh0ak7k...@4ax.com,
> >"Kimba" <kimbago...@fuggedaboutit.net> wrote:
> >
> >> We used to buy our milk at Wrights Dairy in North Smithfield, but we
> >> had to make a special trip to do it.
> >
> >Kimba! LOL!!!
> >
> >We WERE separated at birth!
> >
> >Yvette "Whose Mom and Dad STILL think it's a 'Special Trip' to get from
> >Woonsocket to Providence" Trahan
> >Sarasota FL
> >
> Hey, folks here in town go all wide-eyed and everything, when I tell
> 'em I work in Providence <G>
Ha! In light traffic it's < 15 minutes to go from Providence to
Woonsocket.
I've once done Narragansett to Providence in around 20 minutes.
Kimba
<kd...@nospamplease.verizon.reallynospam.net> wrote:
>> Hey, folks here in town go all wide-eyed and everything, when I tell
>> 'em I work in Providence <G>
>
>Ha! In light traffic it's < 15 minutes to go from Providence to
>Woonsocket.
>
I try not to go to Woonsocket too often <g>
But you're right. It takes me about 15 minutes to get to work in the
morning. 20, if I go through the DD drive-thru.
>I've once done Narragansett to Providence in around 20 minutes.
I'm guessing that Statie wasn't sitting down there at the junction of
95 and Route 4 that day <g>
HStrom WRand Evermorphing Usenet Handle
> I've been thinking of ordering the Wright's Farm hermits online. I
> take it they are good? Are they chewy or soft? Do they have a strong
> molasses flavor or does the spice flavoring predominate?
>
> I've never eaten a hermit yet that could equal the ones from the old
> Gansett Bakery. Having some good ones would be wonderful.
Whoa! That took me a minute to put together in the proper context.
czf
news:DLJPc.643$73.359@lakeread04...
> What?
>
> Well to be honest, I'm an avid milk drinker. It's not uncommon for me to
> toss down a gallon every 3 or 4 days at home, and another gallon at work
> every two.
>
> I loathe Guida Farms, have very little tolerance for Cumberland Farms or
the
> like. My favorite of late has been Hood in the light-block bottle, and I
> decided to try Rhody Milk.
Have you tried Garelick Farm's Skim Milk and More? It's in the purple
bottle, it's $3.29 a gallon in RI and MA, and it's so rich you'd swear it's
not skim milk. They add extra nonfat milk solids to it, and even my
children won't drink anything but.
"Oh, yuck, you got the yellow milk! (regular Garelick Farm skim milk) That
tastes like water! I want the purple milk!"
(osteoporetic mom, drinks the purple stuff and lots of vanilla nonfat yogurt
to boot, in addition to Actonel, salmoninacanwiththebones, et al)
czf
news:MPG.1b7b48543...@news.verizon.net...
Pah! I did Point Judith to the Mass Pike in 45 minutes today.
(don't ask me how fast I was going)
Z
>> I've never eaten a hermit yet that could equal the ones from the old
>> Gansett Bakery. Having some good ones would be wonderful.
> Whoa! That took me a minute to put together in the proper context.
You pig. :')
czf
You beat me to this post! I screenspewed angelhair pasta before I could
reply!
(in cyberspace for 48 hours)
Grumpy au Contraire
I dunno, but I got used to stright skim milk and don't really like the
other stuff anymore...
--
JT
Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4
Kimba
wrote:
>> I've once done Narragansett to Providence in around 20 minutes.
>
>Pah! I did Point Judith to the Mass Pike in 45 minutes today.
>
>(don't ask me how fast I was going)
>
So THAT was that roaring sound I heard... :)
Owen Hartnett
<rac...@deckards.piano> wrote:
Can we see your license and registration please?
-Owen
P.S. Note as a first time offender in alt.ri, you get one free pass,
providing your previous driving record is clean.
-Owen
Bob F.
Hi Thomas
> While not in RI, I also note that different brands of milk can be very
> different in quality.
There're reasons for that.
> Some is bland enough to be almost tolerable on cereal
> and other bottles actually are a taste treat. I cannot remember if this
> happened in RI, but every once in a while around here the cows get into the
> wild garlic. Now, that is really nasty milk. First time it happened I
> thought I had been poisoned.
Let's first understand that the good Lord is the maker of all milk.
So as it comes from the cow, all milk is essentially the same save a
few variables... one you've mentioned is what the cows have eaten, and
another goes to the butterfat content which can vary for a number of
reasons (that easily gets adjusted in processing though). Let's not
address the important issues of what may or may not have been injected
into the cow... let's just say that the other variable is heard
handling and management. That there is a difference between the
various brands of milk propbably has more to do with three factors: 1.
We can't ignore what standards dairies employ for raw product it
receives from the farm. High standards in this area will normally
reject all raw product that has an odd smell or taste (the onion grass
problem you describe is predictable and evident every spring). Expert
raw milk receivers are worth their weight in gold. One of the ways
you can separate dairies by quality is to inquire as to what
percentage of deliveries of raw product they refuse. The more
deliveries they refuse, the more discriminating they are about the raw
materials they begin with. 2. What they add to the milk and how it's
processed is also critical. Most dairies add vitimins to milk. Some
take out all of the butterfat and add back other fats (yuk!). Some
add back milk solids in proportion to the butterfat they remove (this
adds richness and flavor - but is expensive). So... sometimes what
you add is bad and sometimes it's good. You choose. It will all add
to the variability in taste and texture. 3. How the product is
packaged, how long the "sell by" code is and how the product is
handled in transit is also a factor. Milk is effected by light. So
milk in transluscent or clear containers will not hold up as well as
milk that is packaged in containers that does not expose it to light.
The longer the "sell by" code, the more likely you are to drink older
milk. That can't be good. The temperature, as well as the
variiability in temperature in transit and storage will also effect
quality and taste. So high standards for transporting, delivering and
storing products are imperitive.
If you want the best milk available, you should talk to the
manufacturer about all of these factors as it applies to their
products. Add 'em all up, then taste them... before you add the
coffee syrup <G>.
Bob F.
Tony P.
kimbago...@fuggedaboutit.net says...
> On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 00:24:09 GMT, Tony P.
> <kd...@nospamplease.verizon.reallynospam.net> wrote:
>
> >> Hey, folks here in town go all wide-eyed and everything, when I tell
> >> 'em I work in Providence <G>
> >
> >Ha! In light traffic it's < 15 minutes to go from Providence to
> >Woonsocket.
> >
> I try not to go to Woonsocket too often <g>
>
> But you're right. It takes me about 15 minutes to get to work in the
> morning. 20, if I go through the DD drive-thru.
Yep, I used to drive from Providence to Bellingham and it never took
more than 20 minutes.
> >I've once done Narragansett to Providence in around 20 minutes.
>
> I'm guessing that Statie wasn't sitting down there at the junction of
> 95 and Route 4 that day <g>
Yeah, I know about that spot. Probably why I was able to avoid it at the
time. This was back in the mid 80's.
Tony P.
says...
I'd estimate you were traveling about 85MPH. What time of day was it -
because the only time I've ever been able to approach 90MPH on I-95 is
mid-day. You can't speed between 6:30AM and 9:00AM, or 3:00PM to 6:30PM.
BTW, the key to not getting pulled over is to drive a normal car that
isn't tricked out. It also helps immensely if you're wearing your seat
belts, and you're white. Seriously.
I've gotten only one speeding ticket in my life. And I speed like a
demon.
Dee Vee Zee
"Linda M. Young" <lindamry...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 22:29:49 -0400, Dee Vee Zee
> <Deli...@isnotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Run, don't walk, to Wright's Farm in North Smithfield. Not only do they have
>> the best bakery (and hermits!) on the planet, but their milk is to DIE for.
>> And it's worth every penny.
>
> I've been thinking of ordering the Wright's Farm hermits online. I
> take it they are good? Are they chewy or soft? Do they have a strong
> molasses flavor or does the spice flavoring predominate?
If you don't bake, Wright's Farm hermits are an excellent substitute for
home-baked cookies. They're soft (but not too soft) and chewy (but not too
chewy) and I think the molasses/spice flavors are fairly well balanced. If
you lay 'em out on a pretty doily on Grandma's Heirloom Tray, *EVERYONE*
will assume you spent hours in the kitchen -- especially if your hair's
stickin' up every whichway and you have flour on your nose -- and they'll
clamor for your recipe.
When they do, give 'em this one:
http://cookie.allrecipes.com/az/Hermits.asp
It's not Wright's Farm's recipe, but you certainly can pass it off as your
Grandma's. It's a terrific recipe, and tastes nearly like what my Memere
used to bake for me when I was a little kid.
[Sidebar: The custodians at our school were especially accommodating to a
last-minute request our office made today, so they're getting a "Hermit
Treat" on Monday.
[And no, THEY don't know what "hermits" are, just like most of the people I
know down here, but they're sure gonna find out on Monday!]
Yvette "Introducing Sarasotans to L'il Rhody's Charms, One Hermit at a Time"
Trahan
Sarasota FL
Z
Yo, Bob, ever heard of a paragraph break? ;')
Z
> Can we see your license and registration please?
> P.S. Note as a first time offender in alt.ri, you get one free pass,
> providing your previous driving record is clean.
Providing the ticket is:
1 for 19mph or less over the limit
2 is only for speeding
3 you request dismissal under the Good Driver statute
4 you come prepared with an official copy of your driving record
5 the judge isn't a pr!ck
Dee Vee Zee
<z...@no.spam> wrote:
<Big Ol'Snip>
>> The longer the "sell by" code, the more likely you are to drink older
>> milk. That can't be good. The temperature, as well as the
>> variiability in temperature in transit and storage will also effect
>> quality and taste. So high standards for transporting, delivering and
>> storing products are imperitive.
>
> Yo, Bob, ever heard of a paragraph break? ;')
JetMan, you, *KILL* me! You go, Boy!
Yvette "Who for once is Speechless!" Trahan
Sarasota FL
Dee Vee Zee
Vee Zee" <Deli...@isnotmail.com> wrote:
>> Yo, Bob, ever heard of a paragraph break? ;')
>
> JetMan, you, *KILL* me! You go, Boy!
>
> Yvette "Who for once is Speechless!" Trahan
> Sarasota FL
And is also "Stupid" for substituting one name for another in her
reply...Yikes!!
Aw, man. How do I gracefully get out of *this* one?? LOL!!
Yvette
Sarasota FL
Kimba
<kd...@nospamplease.verizon.reallynospam.net> wrote:
>I've gotten only one speeding ticket in my life. And I speed like a
>demon.
I got my one and only in Pawtucket, on Newport Avenue.
I was going 37.
In a 35 mph zone.
Gawd.
Desperardette
Z
>>Yo, Bob, ever heard of a paragraph break? ;')
> JetMan, you, *KILL* me! You go, Boy!
JetMan?!
I don't know if I should feel complimented or insulted !
czf
> > Pah! I did Point Judith to the Mass Pike in 45 minutes today.
> >
> > (don't ask me how fast I was going)
> >
> I'd estimate you were traveling about 85MPH. What time of day was it -
> because the only time I've ever been able to approach 90MPH on I-95 is
> mid-day. You can't speed between 6:30AM and 9:00AM, or 3:00PM to 6:30PM.
Wow! Were you on the highwaycam or what? Yep, 85 mph at 1:30 pm.
> BTW, the key to not getting pulled over is to drive a normal car that
> isn't tricked out.
2002 Nissan Altima. Silver. Family sedan.
> It also helps immensely if you're wearing your seat
> belts,
(nod, nod, nod, nod)
> and you're white. Seriously.
Well, this time of year, *everyone* looks hispanic, so I guess I look white.
> I've gotten only one speeding ticket in my life. And I speed like a
> demon.
Never had a parking ticket, moving violation, or an accident that was my
fault.
(so far)
cz
Thomas Reynolds
"czf" <rac...@deckards.piano> wrote in message news:NDFQc.213919$%_6
>
> Never had a parking ticket, moving violation, or an accident that was my
> fault.
>
> (so far)
>
> cz
a "ME TOO!!!!!"
Kimba
wrote:
>Well, this time of year, *everyone* looks hispanic, so I guess I look white.
NOT everyone :)
Blondely,
The Sunburn Kid
A
> >Well, this time of year, *everyone* looks hispanic, so I guess I look white.
>
> NOT everyone :)
>
> Blondely,
> The Sunburn Kid
<waves to Kimba> Heya, fellow blondie!
- Anne
Kimba
wrote:
Heh - I knew I liked you :)
Factor 40 sunblock rules!
Kimba
Grumpy au Contraire
Uh, that wuz Z who should get the credit for that one!
Grumpy au Contraire
Reader's option day, take your choice - - - No penalties!
Grumpy au Contraire
37 in a 35 zone is NOT enforceable. That is well within the
manufacturer's build tolerances..
You shoudda questioned it at least..
Kimba
<Gru...@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote:
>37 in a 35 zone is NOT enforceable. That is well within the
>manufacturer's build tolerances..
>
>You shoudda questioned it at least..
I did.
I had to take the day off work and go to court.
Predictably, the officer didn't show. He was probably ashamed of
himself :)
Kimba
Z
> 37 in a 35 zone is NOT enforceable. That is well within the
> manufacturer's build tolerances..
You've never been to Pawtucket Traffic Court.
I got a 27 or 28 in a 25, on Power Rd or Smithfield Ave back in the
late 1980s, contested it and was assessed the originla fine PLUS court
costs.
I swear the judge was on the take.
Tony P.
says...
Pawtucket, Barrington, Warren and Bristol are pretty much known for
speed traps.
My only ticket - I was doing about 110MPH at the time. Boring ass
highway in the middle of nowhere, straight as an arrow.
I'm in the car with a buddy who can't sleep (Road trip btw!) because of
the constant ticking of the radar detector. So I figure I won't be doing
much more than maybe 70MPH or so and shut it off.
As we're flying down the highway I note a Camaro with the gumdrop on the
roof. About two minutes later I see the flashing blue lights of a
Florida Highway Patrol car behind me.
The office was a decent enough guy though. He saw the radar detector and
chuckled, said that if I'd had it on I would have picked him up before
he even locked on to my car. He asked me if I knew how fast I was going
and I answered him honestly that it was probably a bit over 100MPH.
He wrote the ticket for 80MPH in a 65MPH zone. One $120 ticket later and
off I went.
My buddy paid half that ticket. Luckily it was at the time when you
could hold a RI license and a part time FL license. Never showed up on
my RI license. As far as things are officially concerned I've never had
a speeding ticket.
Grumpy au Contraire
Kimba wrote:
>
> On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 00:51:18 GMT, Grumpy au Contraire
> <Gru...@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote:
>
> >37 in a 35 zone is NOT enforceable. That is well within the
> >manufacturer's build tolerances..
> >
> >You shoudda questioned it at least..
>
> I did.
>
> I had to take the day off work and go to court.
>
> Predictably, the officer didn't show. He was probably ashamed of
> himself :)
>
> Kimba
>
>
You shudda took da butthole to small claims for your time.
Cops can be so idiotic at times...
Grumpy au Contraire
Well... I have heard (somewhere) that RI is the most corrupt state in
the union!
HStrom WRand Evermorphing Usenet Handle
>
> Z wrote:
>
>> Grumpy au Contraire wrote:
>>
>>> 37 in a 35 zone is NOT enforceable. That is well within the
>>> manufacturer's build tolerances..
>>
>> You've never been to Pawtucket Traffic Court.
>>
>> I got a 27 or 28 in a 25, on Power Rd or Smithfield Ave back in the
>> late 1980s, contested it and was assessed the originla fine PLUS
>> court costs.
>>
>> I swear the judge was on the take.
>
>
>
>
> Well... I have heard (somewhere) that RI is the most corrupt state
> in the union!
>
>
Ustabe. Ustabe. Connecticut has a great claim on that now.
Edwin Ellinwood
farms. They sold them all to Garelick Farms. Their milk is all bought from
other sources. I was told this when working on an accounting assignment at
Cumberland Farms by one of their senior accountants..
"A" <hennypen...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:hennypennynospam...@128.148.243.126...
>
> > ... my parents decided Hoods was too expensive and started buying
> > Cumberland Farms. God, that stuff was NASTY.
>
> That's so funny, Linda. I usually buy Garelick Farms milk at Stop and
> Shop. Occasionally we run out and walk a couple blocks to buy Cumberland
> Farms milk at the corner store.
>
> My kids *adore* the Cumberland Farms milk and beg me to buy it all the
time!
>
> Chacun a son gout, as they say in ... Woonsocket?! ;-)
>
> - Anne
Bob F.
Hi Michael
> Yo, Bob, ever heard of a paragraph break? ;')
Certainly. They're over rated. <G> While typing and thinking at the
same time, new paragraphs seem to get lost in the shuffle for me. I
used to go back and edit my responses for new paragraphs, but I
thought; "Who's going to be bothered by this?" It won't be offensive
to anyone, and it also won't alter my meaning or intent. I forgot
about you <G>.
Bob F.
Mr Potatohead
We have been told it's poor form to correct someone's grammar on
newsgroups. But it's sad when someone knows better and takes the lazy or
easy way out.
Shame, Bob F.! Ten ruler-raps on the knuckles for you. lad.:-)
Z
> We have been told it's poor form to correct someone's grammar on
Oh, yeah? Just try correcting my grammar.
She'll whoop your arse.
;')
Mr Potatohead
I will heed your warning! :-)
Bob F.
Hi Spud
> We have been told it's poor form to correct someone's grammar on
> newsgroups. But it's sad when someone knows better and takes the lazy or
> easy way out.
I prefer to think of it not as lazy or easy... but as an alternative.
Does one really have to indent or skip a line to indicate the end of
one thought and the beginning of the next? Certainly when addressing
a thinking and intelligent audience there's no need for advanced
warning that my thought has ended and another is about to begin. To
boot, it can be argued that a paragraph is insufficient to convey a
"complete" thought. If that's the case, then the warning is not only
unnecessary, but also inappropriate, no?
> Shame, Bob F.! Ten ruler-raps on the knuckles for you. lad.:-)
Ohhhh... that felt strangely very good. And I never attended Catholic
school in my life. Could you please wear a habit and a mysterious
sinister grin when you do this the next time I neglect to issue the
"new thought" warning.
Bob F.
A
> Does one really have to indent or skip a line to indicate the end of
> one thought and the beginning of the next? Certainly when addressing
> a thinking and intelligent audience there's no need for advanced
> warning that my thought has ended and another is about to begin.
Hi Bob:
I'm an editor IRL, and I disagree.
The job of any writer (even an amateur) is to make the reader's job
(intake and comprehension) as painless and transparent as possible. If the
writer won't do it, then the editor goes to work with the proverbial blue
pencil.
Paragraph breaks were invented for a reason. :-)
- Anne
Mr Potatohead
> Mr Potatohead <boz...@cox.net> wrote in message news:<sy3Sc.45068
>
> Hi Spud
>
>
>>We have been told it's poor form to correct someone's grammar on
>>newsgroups. But it's sad when someone knows better and takes the lazy or
>>easy way out.
>
>
> I prefer to think of it not as lazy or easy... but as an alternative.
> Does one really have to indent or skip a line to indicate the end of
> one thought and the beginning of the next? Certainly when addressing
> a thinking and intelligent audience there's no need for advanced
> warning that my thought has ended and another is about to begin. To
> boot, it can be argued that a paragraph is insufficient to convey a
> "complete" thought. If that's the case, then the warning is not only
> unnecessary, but also inappropriate, no?
Eeeeeh no! Not really, Bob.
You can "justify" it all you want but you cannot escape good basic form.
>
>
>>Shame, Bob F.! Ten ruler-raps on the knuckles for you. lad.:-)
>
>
> Ohhhh... that felt strangely very good. And I never attended Catholic
> school in my life. Could you please wear a habit and a mysterious
> sinister grin when you do this the next time I neglect to issue the
> "new thought" warning.
>
I didn't either and my knuckle-rapping was agnostic. Sorry, no habits to
flesh out your fantasies. :-)
Z
> I prefer to think of it not as lazy or easy... but as an alternative.
> Does one really have to indent or skip a line to indicate the end of
> one thought and the beginning of the next? Certainly when addressing
Yes.
Z
> I'm an editor IRL, and I disagree.
>
> The job of any writer (even an amateur) is to make the reader's job
> (intake and comprehension) as painless and transparent as possible. If the
> writer won't do it, then the editor goes to work with the proverbial blue
> pencil.
>
> Paragraph breaks were invented for a reason. :-)
>
> - Anne
Annie, get yer gun! (or pencil)
swish! swish! swish!
<the letter "A" is now emblazoned on Bob's fanny>
;')
A
> <the letter "A" is now emblazoned on Bob's fanny>
Lovely image! :-P
I enjoy Bob's posts and hope he doesn't think we're picking on him. He
asked the question about paragraphs, so I gave my (professional)
opinion. <waves to Bob in a friendly way>
- "A"
HStrom WRand Evermorphing Usenet Handle
Now THAT is a great paragraph! Take some notes, Bob.
Bob F.
Hi Mike
> Annie, get yer gun! (or pencil)
> swish! swish! swish!
> <the letter "A" is now emblazoned on Bob's fanny>
And it looks quite handsome I might add... the "A", that is <G>.
Bob F.
Bob F.
Hi Anne
> I'm an editor IRL, and I disagree.
You mean you don't just play one on TV? <G>
> The job of any writer (even an amateur) is to make the reader's job
> (intake and comprehension) as painless and transparent as possible. If the
> writer won't do it, then the editor goes to work with the proverbial blue
> pencil.
In a formal sense your position is inarguable. But this forum is
casual [use of conjunction to start a sentence is intended]. As such,
in my opinion, formal rules apply at the whim of the writer. Examples
of this in Newsgroups are all over the place - liberal use of
accronyms (e.g. IRL) which assume the reader's knowledge, lack of
upper case letters beginning a sentence, abbreviations everywhere,
sentence fragments, etc. These things are generally tolerated in a
forum such as this - usually to facilitate expediency.
(Note the new paragraph <G>) In a discussion forum, wouldn't the
greater issue be the quality of the discussion? Shouldn't we concern
ourselves more with an illogical presentation or conclusion than with
the lack of a paragraph break? [warning - end of thought]
[new thought begins here] Certainly there are rules for good writing.
Certainly writers have an obligation to be clear and unambiguous in
their communications. But in an informal format, when we are writing
in a stream of consciousness manner, do the rules matter more than the
quality of the ideas expressed?
> Paragraph breaks were invented for a reason. :-)
Without a doubt [fragment intended]. The question I raise is; were
paragraphs invented for the informal exchange of ideas in Usenet
Newsgroups?
I do so love English language mavens <G>.
Bob F.
A
> But this forum is
> casual [use of conjunction to start a sentence is intended].
And it is perfectly correct, even if you were to do so in a published
article. ;-)
> As such,
> in my opinion, formal rules apply at the whim of the writer.
While writers always may choose to apply the rules of grammar and style as
they please, the point raised by the original critic (addressed in my
earlier response) was that some rules make it much easier for readers to
comprehend prose -- indeed, to approach it at all.
IOW <g> , why waste your time writing cogent arguments if you're going
to present them in a format that turns off those whom you hope to engage
and/or persuade?
It is an editor's job to insure that readers *read* and *understand*
prose. That's why we may seem hypersensitive to text that flouts commonly
acknowledged tenets of formatting and editorial "style."
> I do so love English language mavens <G>.
And we love you, too. 8-)
- Scarlet A
Don Mac Phee
-Don
"Bob F." <bobfi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Z
> Is there a reference to milk anywhere in this thread's future?
Don't have a cow, man!
(does that count as a milk tie-in?)
Kimba
<macpheeN...@cox.net> wrote:
>Is there a reference to milk anywhere in this thread's future?
I think they're gonna milk it for all that it's worth.
Kimba
Dee Vee Zee
"Kimba" <kimbago...@fuggedaboutit.net> wrote:
>> Is there a reference to milk anywhere in this thread's future?
>
> I think they're gonna milk it for all that it's worth.
That's pretty cheesy, Kimba, but I must give you credit for a moo-velous
observation nonetheless.
Yvette
Sarasota FL
HStrom WRand Evermorphing Usenet Handle
Okay, let's pasture this before it stalls into an udderly pointless pun
thread.
Z
> Okay, let's pasture this before it stalls into an udderly pointless pun
> thread.
They'd butter fallow your advice.
Don Mac Phee
fantastic.
Dairy ask for more puns?
Sheesh.
;)
-Don
"Dee Vee Zee" <Deli...@isnotmail.com> wrote in message
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Bob F.
Hi Anne
> > But this forum is
> > casual [use of conjunction to start a sentence is intended].
> And it is perfectly correct, even if you were to do so in a published
> article. ;-)
Oh? I believe I feel Ms. Martin (the sentence diagraming demon who
taught me most of what I know of grammar) tapping me on the shoulder
telling me that when connecting words (conjunctions) begin a sentence,
they have nothing to connect. She had all kinds of little annoying
(in that I can't forget them after almost 50 years) guidelines. e.g.
You cannot begin the first sentence of a paragraph with the word
"Also". These pearls sit in my head like a filter through which all
that I write must pass. The first time I put my toes over the new
paragraph line people come out of the woodwork to notice <G>. Can't
we just all get along <G>.
Bob F.
A
>The first time I put my toes over the new
> paragraph line people come out of the woodwork to notice <G>.
Poor Bob! ;-)
The paragraph thing isn't a rule so much as a useful convention, IMO.
When ppl tell you they have a hard time reading and/or digesting your
prose because you forgo paragraph breaks, that's probably something to pay
attention to.
(Notice that I ended the above sentence with a preposition -- another
"no-no" myth you probably heard from your Miss Martin. As Winston
Churchill said, "That is the sort of nonsense up with which I will not
put." LOL)
The "don't start a sentence with a conjunction" rule went the way of the
dodo quite a few decades ago.
Yes, "Rodney," we can all get along, even if we don't always agree. <g>
- Anne
Z
> that I write must pass. The first time I put my toes over the new
> paragraph line people come out of the woodwork to notice <G>. Can't
> we just all get along <G>.
A toe? ?!
You put your whole body over the line.
A mile over the line!
Owen Hartnett
<hennypen...@cox.net> wrote:
> >The first time I put my toes over the new
> > paragraph line people come out of the woodwork to notice <G>.
>
> Poor Bob! ;-)
>
> The paragraph thing isn't a rule so much as a useful convention, IMO.
>
> When ppl tell you they have a hard time reading and/or digesting your
> prose because you forgo paragraph breaks, that's probably something to pay
> attention to.
>
> (Notice that I ended the above sentence with a preposition -- another
> "no-no" myth you probably heard from your Miss Martin. As Winston
> Churchill said, "That is the sort of nonsense up with which I will not
> put." LOL)
You mean it's now acceptable? And I've been beating myself up looking
for alternatives to sounding like Yoda.
-Owen
Kimba
wrote:
>> (Notice that I ended the above sentence with a preposition -- another
>> "no-no" myth you probably heard from your Miss Martin. As Winston
>> Churchill said, "That is the sort of nonsense up with which I will not
>> put." LOL)
>
>You mean it's now acceptable? And I've been beating myself up looking
>for alternatives to sounding like Yoda.
Keep working at it, you must - got it, you almost have.
Owen Hartnett
<kimbago...@fuggedaboutit.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:59:52 -0400, Owen Hartnett <ow...@xids.xnet>
> wrote:
>
> >> (Notice that I ended the above sentence with a preposition -- another
> >> "no-no" myth you probably heard from your Miss Martin. As Winston
> >> Churchill said, "That is the sort of nonsense up with which I will not
> >> put." LOL)
> >
> >You mean it's now acceptable? And I've been beating myself up looking
> >for alternatives to sounding like Yoda.
>
> Keep working at it, you must - got it, you almost have.
>
> Kimba
Kimba, you Jedi Knight, you!
-Owen
Kimba
wrote:
>> Keep working at it, you must - got it, you almost have.
>>
>> Kimba
>
>
>Kimba, you Jedi Knight, you!
>
>-Owen
I'd a whole lot rather be a Jedi Knight than a chick with funny
looking hair <g>
Laury
"A" <hennypen...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> (Notice that I ended the above sentence with a preposition -- another
> "no-no" myth you probably heard from your Miss Martin. As Winston
> Churchill said, "That is the sort of nonsense up with which I will not
> put." LOL)
>
> The "don't start a sentence with a conjunction" rule went the way of the
> dodo quite a few decades ago.
Anne, I can only picture you and Yvette reading the nonsense subject
headings the spammers are sending out these days. Some of my favorites:
"welch beggary"
"you are an exception buyrate nether"
"thaw glaucoma"
"it worked for me coincidental doomsday"
and one for Carol Cohen
"why would you gladiolus lazybones"
My spam filter reads the first 70 lines and filters out flagged words,
leaving me a nice neat list of subject lines to scan instead of
downloading the actual spam. I have no idea what kind of
spam filters these titles are supposed to foil, but it certainly
isn't Spam Subtract.
Laury
Dee Vee Zee
<la...@coxxx.net> wrote:
>> The "don't start a sentence with a conjunction" rule went the way of the
>> dodo quite a few decades ago.
>
> Anne, I can only picture you and Yvette reading the nonsense subject
> headings the spammers are sending out these days. Some of my favorites:
>
> "welch beggary"
> "you are an exception buyrate nether"
> "thaw glaucoma"
> "it worked for me coincidental doomsday"
How did you know I *LOVE* spam nonsense subject headers?? My favorite one
lately:
"unctuous delectable cowpony flop"
Yvette
Sarasota FL
Thomas Reynolds
> > "you are an exception buyrate nether"
> > "thaw glaucoma"
> > "it worked for me coincidental doomsday"
>
> How did you know I *LOVE* spam nonsense subject headers?? My favorite one
> lately:
>
> "unctuous delectable cowpony flop"
>
> Yvette
> Sarasota FL
>
doesn't seem likely anybody would buy anything from such a mess and in most
cases it doesn't seem to be selling stuff anyway.
A
> > Anne, I can only picture you and Yvette reading the nonsense subject
> > headings the spammers are sending out these days. Some of my favorites:
> >
> > "welch beggary"
> > "you are an exception buyrate nether"
> > "thaw glaucoma"
> > "it worked for me coincidental doomsday"
Yes, they are wonderful. I thought of keeping a log of them but don't have
time. They are almost like absurdist poetry when you string them together.
> My favorite one lately:
>
> "unctuous delectable cowpony flop"
Now that's a nice specimen, Yvette.
I also enjoy the weird "sender" names on spam. Somebody is having fun out there.
- Anne
Christopher Martin
> 1) The stuff is expensive. Look to a 20-25% increase over competing brands.
Kim and I purchased our first half-gallon of Rhody Fresh last night from
Brigido's IGA in Scituate, where we found the price -- $2.39 -- to be
the same as for some of the other brands. We wouldn't call ourselves
milk connoisseurs, but we like it well enough. We'll probably be buyng
Rhody Fresh as often as we can (especially if they begin to sell it by
the gallon), as we like to support the local little guy.
We also spoke to a representative of Rhody Fresh yesterday at the
Washington County Fair, and she told us that Autocrat has made
overtures, so there may be coffee milk soon. They're also planning to
add cream to the line.
Christopher
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Owen Hartnett
<trey...@erols.com> wrote:
To beat Bayesian spam filters.
-Owen
Mr Potatohead
Thomas Reynolds
why they bother but figure there is some sort of reason.
"Owen Hartnett" <ow...@xids.xnet> wrote in message
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Bob F.
Hi Owen
> > Can anyone tell me what the purpose of "garbled message" Spam is? It
> > doesn't seem likely anybody would buy anything from such a mess and in most
> > cases it doesn't seem to be selling stuff anyway.
> To beat Bayesian spam filters.
The whole idea of spam seems logically fuzzy to me in the first place.
I can only assume that there are people who actually respond to these
messages, but I don't think I've ever (at least I hope I haven't) met
one.
Bob F.
Tony P.
Hence the reason to use both Bayesian and Spam Assasin rules.
Today at the office we found out our Bayesian engine had died. The
deluge of spam was incredible. SA had a threshold of 5, while most of
the spam only scores 1.9 or so. Even had one score -7.3 that was clearly
spam from someone impersonating a whitelisted source.
The only good spammer is a dead spammer.
Tony P.
Simply to get you to look at it. I can't quite figure out the logic
though. You'd think that those who employ Bayesian are pretty much in
the camp that never wants to see the spam.
Yet they'll try and try, even though it falls on deaf ears.
Owen Hartnett
<boz...@cox.net> wrote:
So their message doesn't get detected by spam filters, and then ends up
in your inbox and not your junk mail box.
-Owen
Owen Hartnett
<trey...@erols.com> wrote:
> OK, but frequently the message is also a garbled mess. I cannot figure out
> why they bother but figure there is some sort of reason.
By making most of the message a random collection of words, they try to
beat spam filters.
Think of your email spam filters having two "pool" of email - one good,
and one junk. It gets in a new piece of email and says: "is this more
like the good pool or the junk pool?" and sorts it accordingly.
-Owen
Mr Potatohead
> In article <4120b648$0$5893$61fe...@news.rcn.com>, Thomas Reynolds
> <trey...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>
>>OK, but frequently the message is also a garbled mess. I cannot figure out
>>why they bother but figure there is some sort of reason.
>
>
> By making most of the message a random collection of words, they try to
> beat spam filters.
>
> Think of your email spam filters having two "pool" of email - one good,
> and one junk. It gets in a new piece of email and says: "is this more
> like the good pool or the junk pool?" and sorts it accordingly.
>
these things are just a string of letters with no words involved. No
sales pitch?
Are they trying to find working addresses?
HStrom WRand Evermorphing Usenet Handle
But even with working addresses, wouldn't a follow-up message get killed
as SPAM unless it, too, was garbled?
Z
> So their message doesn't get detected by spam filters, and then ends up
> in your inbox and not your junk mail box.
Yeah but what message is that?
AFAIK, the e-mail is jibberish.
pla
> Simply to get you to look at it. I can't quite figure out the logic
> though. You'd think that those who employ Bayesian are pretty much in
I think everyone who has responded to that so far have
missed the point of the actual question...
Not "Why do they add random crap", but rather, "Why do they
send spam that apparently does not actually contain any
form of advertisement?".
I've wondered this myself many times.
As a partial answer, some of it comes from worms trying
to spread. But I've gotten a good amount of spam containing
neither a worm nor an advertisement. So, why bother sending
a message, if it has no purpose at all?
- pla
Mr Potatohead
Exactly!
Mark one fer the pla-ster! :-)
Tony P.
One possibility:
Testing for valid email addresses. If it doesn't bounce they've got a
good one.
Owen Hartnett
<kd...@nospamplease.verizon.reallynospam.net> wrote:
Note that they also need to get it past the ISP spam filters, for those
ISP's that use them.
-Owen
Owen Hartnett
<boz...@cox.net> wrote:
There's often a graphic, that, when clicked on, brings up the spammer
method. Others are virii, etc.
-Owen
HStrom WRand Evermorphing Usenet Handle
Yeah, I get a lot of those (virii) but they're easy to spot.
Are the SPAMmers sophisticated enough to send out various types of
e-mail and keep track of which addresses will receive different types of
e-mail? Which words or patterns in the message will get an e-mail killed
to different addresses?