The First Annual - Things I Hate About Rhode Island
Paul D. Meehan
(1) Alan Shawn Feinstein
(2) The Cianci Crime Family
(3) The escalators at Providence Place Mall
(4) The parking garage at Providence Place Mall
(5) Self promoting free lance news photographers who keep "losing" firearms
while in the company of degenerate, murderous, drug addicted hoodlums
(6) The entire State Assembly
(7) That advertising rag called Rhode Island Monthly
(8) Crummy waterfront residential areas - Riverside, Oakland Beach
(9) Mr. Nick's frozen lemonade
(10) The accent
Eric Jaron Stieglitz
Paul D. Meehan <pdme...@home.com> wrote:
>Vote now!
>
>(3) The escalators at Providence Place Mall
>(4) The parking garage at Providence Place Mall
Care to explain these?
>(5) Self promoting free lance news photographers who keep "losing" firearms
>while in the company of degenerate, murderous, drug addicted hoodlums
How is this specific to RI?
>(9) Mr. Nick's frozen lemonade
Are you out of your mind? (Not that I've had this in many years...)
>(10) The accent
Yep, this is what I make fun of most often when I tell outustaytuhs about RI.
/EJS
--
Eric Jaron Stieglitz eph...@ctr.columbia.edu
Systems and Network Administrator Taos Mountain
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Propp
Paul D. Meehan <pdme...@home.com> wrote in message
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> Vote now!
>
> (1) Alan Shawn Feinstein
> (2) The Cianci Crime Family
> (4) The parking garage at Providence Place Mall
firearms
> while in the company of degenerate, murderous, drug addicted hoodlums
> (7) That advertising rag called Rhode Island Monthly
> (8) Crummy waterfront residential areas - Riverside, Oakland Beach
>
>
(11) The shitty, confused job done redirecting traffic around PP mall and WP
park.
(12) Pawtucket :-)
Laury
Eric Jaron Stieglitz <eph...@atlantis.ctr.columbia.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <2d345.3901$7W2....@news1.wwck1.ri.home.com>,
> Paul D. Meehan <pdme...@home.com> wrote:
> >Vote now!
> >
> >(3) The escalators at Providence Place Mall
> >(4) The parking garage at Providence Place Mall
>
>
Hate to bitch about the same thing twice, but those stupid
escalators are designed to cost you steps, not save them.
If you're trying to go up more than one floor, you exit your
"up" or "down" escalator and then have to walk all the
way around to get on the next "up" or "down" escalators,
They are installed "backwards" from every other escalator
for multiple floor buildings that I've ever visited. Well,
hopefully someone else can explain it better, but it's SO
annoying, and was probably done so that you'd have to walk
past the stores to get to where you're going. How stupid...
yes, we walk by, but seething with resentment. Great marketing
gimmick.
As for the garage, for me it's getting out. There's always a line
and then it just plain rankles to be paying to park to shop. It's
too un-Yankee for me.
In fact, I no longer shop there.
pla
1) depressed high-tech market
2) "national amusements" theaters won't carry non disney/pixar animations
3) the providence place mall (all of it)
4) providence (the show or the city, you pick)
5) few 24hr stores, early closings on sunday, no wine in grocery stores
6) deer ticks
7) 2nd highest elderly population in the country (after florida)
8) constant repaving of perfect roads, while ignoring horrible back roads
9) cox cable and bell atlantic
10) school boards/town councils that consider themselves above the law
- pla
Grrly Girl
The way sportscasters pronounce "PAWtucket". (I called my local
sportsguy and got him to correct his pronuncation so as not to offend
my delicate sensibilities.)
Paul D. Meehan wrote in message
>Vote now!
>
>(1) Alan Shawn Feinstein
>(2) The Cianci Crime Family
>(3) The escalators at Providence Place Mall
>(4) The parking garage at Providence Place Mall
Eric Jaron Stieglitz
>> Vote now!
>
>1) depressed high-tech market
I've heard that Boston has a booming high-tech market. Not bad
if you want to live in Providence.
>2) "national amusements" theaters won't carry non disney/pixar animations
I saw Princess Mononoke at The Cable Car (or whatever it is on Benefit
Street with the couches).
>3) the providence place mall (all of it)
I've been there twice. It seems cute, though there's too many clothing
stores and not enough book stores. Lots of chotchkes but little meat.
Hey, my sister seems to like going there after school.
>5) few 24hr stores, early closings on sunday, no wine in grocery stores
Oh, don't I just love the fact that there's a 24-hour Gristede's 2
blocks away from my apartment. Quite convenient. There's also a liquor
store across the street that has nice long hours.
>10) school boards/town councils that consider themselves above the law
Is Orabona still (a) employed by the school system and (b) still a
state senator?
Thomas M. Reynolds
> Vote now!
>
> (1) Alan Shawn Feinstein
> (2) The Cianci Crime Family
> (3) The escalators at Providence Place Mall
> (4) The parking garage at Providence Place Mall
> (5) Self promoting free lance news photographers who keep "losing" firearms
> while in the company of degenerate, murderous, drug addicted hoodlums
> (6) The entire State Assembly
> (7) That advertising rag called Rhode Island Monthly
> (8) Crummy waterfront residential areas - Riverside, Oakland Beach
> (9) Mr. Nick's frozen lemonade
> (10) The accent
I add:
the fact Rhode Islanders take perverse pride in the crime that victimizes them.
the fact a NY corp. bought the coffee syrup manufacturing rights
the fact that Gorham silver is no longer a RI company
Owen Hartnett
> Vote now!
>
> (1) Alan Shawn Feinstein
> (2) The Cianci Crime Family
> (3) The escalators at Providence Place Mall
> (4) The parking garage at Providence Place Mall
> (5) Self promoting free lance news photographers who keep "losing"
> firearms
> while in the company of degenerate, murderous, drug addicted hoodlums
> (6) The entire State Assembly
> (7) That advertising rag called Rhode Island Monthly
> (8) Crummy waterfront residential areas - Riverside, Oakland Beach
> (9) Mr. Nick's frozen lemonade
> (10) The accent
>
>
(11) Being a cesspool of 7% sales tax in a backyard of 5% sales taxes.
-Owen
franklinfractal
by and have a quick chat with Mary or Laury. And it's unlikely
that I'll run into any of you nice folks when I'm out for a walk
with my kids. That's all. Please, resume ranting...FF
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(when they're not backing up)
2. RI state/city/town workers (could they possibly be more
rude or lazy?)
3. RI attitude toward littering (the world is my garbage bag)
4. RI attitude toward corruption in political office (eh, as
long as my brudder-in-law's got a job-for-life, what's yuh
fukking problem?)
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Tony Pelliccio
pdme...@home.com says...
> Vote now!
>
> (1) Alan Shawn Feinstein
> (2) The Cianci Crime Family
> (3) The escalators at Providence Place Mall
> (4) The parking garage at Providence Place Mall
> (5) Self promoting free lance news photographers who keep "losing" firearms
> while in the company of degenerate, murderous, drug addicted hoodlums
> (6) The entire State Assembly
> (7) That advertising rag called Rhode Island Monthly
> (8) Crummy waterfront residential areas - Riverside, Oakland Beach
> (9) Mr. Nick's frozen lemonade
> (10) The accent
I'm so torn between numbers 2 and 6. Can we combine any two?
Tony
Tony Pelliccio
eph...@atlantis.ctr.columbia.edu says...
> In article <2d345.3901$7W2....@news1.wwck1.ri.home.com>,
> Paul D. Meehan <pdme...@home.com> wrote:
> >Vote now!
> >
> >(4) The parking garage at Providence Place Mall
>
The parking garage I don't understand. But the escalators were installed
so that you have to loop around a 100' area to get to the next level.
Very much a pain in the neck.
> >(9) Mr. Nick's frozen lemonade
>
> Are you out of your mind? (Not that I've had this in many years...)
Mr. Lemon! Mr. Lemon! To hell with Dels and Mr. Nick's.
BetzBet
Just Buddy turns my stomach....
Betz
A closed mouth gathers no foot.
WH
> > (2) The Cianci Crime Family
> > (6) The entire State Assembly
> the fact Rhode Islanders take perverse pride in the crime that
victimizes them.
and add:
* Bad Drivers
* People who NEVER leave the state and think because something is true
in Rhode Island that it must be true everywhere
* That crappy TV show on Friday nights
* All those Johnson and Wales University signs everywhere
* The "ethics" commission that repealed the gift ban.
WH
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Before you buy.
Joel Plutchak
>* People who NEVER leave the state and think because something is true
>in Rhode Island that it must be true everywhere
And the corollary: people who've never been outside RI who
think eveything about RI is unique (e.g., the word "bubbler").
>* That crappy TV show on Friday nights
Yeah, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with reality.
_The Family Guy_ on the other hand was fairly realistic.
--
Joel Plutchak
"I expect to visit Chico [CA] only one time during my life, as I do not
plan on leaving once I get there." - Tim McNerney on Sierra Nevada brews
NHERENT
-Senior Citizen Drivers (real high ratio)
-East Side Pedestrians
(.. notice the pattern with driving?!)
-Rhode Islanders who have never left the state.
Michael Zarlenga
: Yeah, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with reality.
: _The Family Guy_ on the other hand was fairly realistic.
Familly Guy rules!
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Eric Jaron Stieglitz
Joel Plutchak <plut...@SncsaP.uiucA.eduM> wrote:
>
> Yeah, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with reality.
>_The Family Guy_ on the other hand was fairly realistic.
How about "God, the Devil, and Bob"?
Tony Pelliccio
eph...@atlantis.ctr.columbia.edu says...
> In article <8j0ee1$4...@brew.ncsa.uiuc.edu>,
> Joel Plutchak <plut...@SncsaP.uiucA.eduM> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with reality.
> >_The Family Guy_ on the other hand was fairly realistic.
>
> How about "God, the Devil, and Bob"?
Did any other network opt that show? I was very peeved when NBC trashed
it due to complaints from religious conservatives.
Tony
dou...@ix.netcom.com
<msgre...@spammerefortress.com> wrote:
>Drivers who haven't even heard of "right turn on red after stop." And
>drivers who blow the horn for you to take that right turn even though there
>is a stream of cars coming.
Or who blow their horn when you are sitting under a big sign that says
"No Right on Red". I have discovered a certain percentage of our
population who must have special exemptions from the General Assembly
and who feel that such things must be for "other" people and not them.
Mike Hardiman
(1) People who turn everything into a "race issue"
(2) Greasy looking men wearing tank tops riding in an IROC with a big haired
woman with "professionally" painted nails. (oh, with one headlight out too)
(3) "not in my backyard" mentality- the reason why we have no casinos or
amusement parks in this state.
(4) Environmental Terrorist yuppies- remember that guy last year who painted
the funky colored faces on all the tree stumps on his property last year and
the whiny neighbors that complained?
(5) Two words- South Providence
(6) Non-issues that consume stupid peoples attention (ie, changing the
state's name to exclude "plantations")
(7) Wasted land- Rocky Point, Quonset, Fields Point (see #3)
(8) People who complain about growth coming to downtown Providence.
(9) People who complain about Providence Place Mall (yeah driving/parking
downtown is tight... its an old city- try Boston!!)
(10) Brown University, who admits students based only on wealthiness or
"minority status" (most of the time)
> > (3) The escalators at Providence Place Mall
Agreed. I prefer to use stairs anyways, and I don't think they have any. I
think it took me a half hour to find Borders on the "Francis Street level"
because the mall directories (both of them) don't show you where the stairs
are to get to those levels!
> > (7) That advertising rag called Rhode Island Monthly
Totally! One would think it was published, edited, and written from
someplace well out of state.
> > (1) Alan Shawn Feinstein
^^Ok, this I don't understand. What could someone *possibly* have against
Mr. Feinstein? At least he puts his wealth to good use. I've heard people
whine about him having his name on things- well who wouldn't? He's built
schools, fed the poor, and sent probably hundreds of kids to college-
regardless of their race or religion. I know a lot of people who are
title-crazy and love having their names on things... at least Feinstein does
something to back it up. (For some reason the "Paolino Mounument" in
Washington Park and the Trafficante "Pillars that hold up nothing" in
Knightsville come to mind as name-praising monuments that worship
mediocrity- a polar opposite of Feinstein's 'empire' of goodwill.
What a fun subject.
-Mike
WH
"Mike Hardiman" <mhar...@nemas.net> wrote:
> How about:
1) People who turn everything into a "race issue"
(4) Environmental Terrorist yuppies- remember that guy last year who
painted
the funky colored faces on all the tree stumps on his property last
year and
the whiny neighbors that complained?
(6) Non-issues that consume stupid peoples attention (ie, changing the
state's name to exclude "plantations")
(10) Brown University, who admits students based only on wealthiness or
"minority status" (most of the time)
Then I must be your worst nightmare because as an educated minority
environmentalist “yuppie” who believes race IS an issue in Rhode Island
and who used to work in college administration, I can assume that I
have more knowledge about each of these areas than you do.
On my previous post, one of the things that made it to my “worst list”
is people whose opinions are based on local opinion without referencing
what’s going on elsewhere in the country. Is it that hard to accept
that people are as passionate about race issues as you are about making
it a non-issue? Is it up to you to decide what qualifies as a race
issue and what doesn’t?
And by the way, does a black officer getting shot and racial profiling
of black motorists encompass “everything”? How big is your world???
(Although I already know the answer to that)
You didn’t get into Brown because you didn’t get into Brown. If you
start entertaining the idea that skin color was the reason, then what
you are essentially saying is “When any minority groups complain of
discrimination, it’s a non-issue, but when I think it may have happened
to me, then it actually happens! I alone have credibility on this
subject matter, so please give credence to what I tell you!!”
FYI, if you want to find an example of discrimination on the basis of
wealth, start with Johnson and Wales.
Regarding “non-issues that consume stupid peoples attention”: how much
of a non-issue can you get than posting about Providence Place
escalators, and the Rhode Island Monthly? Consider yourself among
those you describe. Compared to that ingenious conversation, the whole
debate around the state name has even more merit as a legitimate topic.
Lee Markosian
(2) chronically unpainted crosswalks
(3) the new parking lot at moses brown that was a beautiful field
(4) the hacked-up trees everwhere you look
(5) the escalators at providence place mall
(6) waterplace park isn't wheelchair accessible
(7) chronically broken walk signals
(8) people whose front yards are totally paved
(9) no burritos
(10) hey but at least we finally got national public radio!!
Joel Plutchak
>amusement parks in this state.
>(7) Wasted land- Rocky Point, Quonset, Fields Point (see #3)
Is the amusement park at Rocky Point gone?! Say it ain't so!
Joel Plutchak
Eric Jaron Stieglitz <eph...@atlantis.ctr.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <8j0ee1$4...@brew.ncsa.uiuc.edu>,
>Joel Plutchak <plut...@SncsaP.uiucA.eduM> wrote:
>> Yeah, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with reality.
>>_The Family Guy_ on the other hand was fairly realistic.
>How about "God, the Devil, and Bob"?
Never saw it. Was it set in RI?
Joel Plutchak
Mary (RI)® <msgre...@spammerefortress.com> wrote:
>Drivers who haven't even heard of "right turn on red after stop." And
>drivers who blow the horn for you to take that right turn even though there
>is a stream of cars coming.
I was honked at in Providence for not stealing right of
way by zooming into my left turn as soon as the light turned
green. Pissed me off no end.
GreedyMan
on the highway, i mean the guys who are inspecting your back seat just
because you're not going 90 in a school zone.. and they can't be
bothered to notice that you can't change lanesto get out of there way.
Although I do so enjoy it when a cop sees them and decides to have a
nice chat with them, off to the side of the rode.
I also enjoy people who race up the breakdown lane on the highway,
because they can't sit in traffic like the rest of us, then get caught
at the merge, because no one lets them back into the roadway, even
better when the cops chase 'em up the brakedown lane.
Michael Smith
before Mike got a chance to respond (retaliate?).....
> Then I must be your worst nightmare because as an educated minority
> environmentalist "yuppie" who believes race IS an issue in Rhode Island
> and who used to work in college administration, I can assume that I
> have more knowledge about each of these areas than you do.
I know this is a Hate list, but I LOVE people who assume they know more
about ANYTHING without knowing who they are talking to or what kind of
experiences the person has. One thing I *KNOW* is that most people having
anything to do with higher education (other than SOME students) are usually
so far removed from the real world they are not even worth talking to.
> On my previous post, one of the things that made it to my "worst list"
> is people whose opinions are based on local opinion without referencing
> what's going on elsewhere in the country. Is it that hard to accept
> that people are as passionate about race issues as you are about making
> it a non-issue? Is it up to you to decide what qualifies as a race
> issue and what doesn't?
Obviously, it's up to YOU to decide these issuses. I am sure Mr. Hardman
will apologize when he realizes he stepped into your province.
> You didn't get into Brown because you didn't get into Brown. If you
> start entertaining the idea that skin color was the reason, then what
> you are essentially saying is "When any minority groups complain of
> discrimination, it's a non-issue, but when I think it may have happened
> to me, then it actually happens! I alone have credibility on this
> subject matter, so please give credence to what I tell you!!"
Criminy, you just blasted your own argument. Apparently it's fine for you
to think you are the ultimate authority on any of the subjects which you so
deem, but no one else can claim any knowledge of them, either? Yikes,
you're scary... FYI, I *did* get into Brown and ran into so many people
like you I didn't go there....... and it might have been the best decision
of my life.
Mitch Berkson
anyway). I would also add to the list the inexplicable non-ticketing of
cars parked on the sidewalk in order to avoid a ticket for violating the
overnight street parking prohibition.
Mitch Berkson
"Lee Markosian" <l...@cs.brown.edu> wrote in message
news:y7wpup4...@cs.brown.edu...
>...
> (8) people whose front yards are totally paved
>..
Michael Zarlenga
: (4) Environmental Terrorist yuppies- remember that guy last year who painted
: the funky colored faces on all the tree stumps on his property last year and
: the whiny neighbors that complained?
Did you ever see the picture of the house the man painted
as a large dalmation after his neighborhood's aesthetic Nazis
started pestering him?
Not only did the paint job roil them to no end, they were
doubly pissed because their nosy little cirlce of control-
freaks-preoccupied-with-everyone got national exposure.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Michael Zarlenga
: You didn’t get into Brown because you didn’t get into Brown. If you
: start entertaining the idea that skin color was the reason, then what
: you are essentially saying is “When any minority groups complain of
: discrimination, it’s a non-issue, but when I think it may have happened
: to me, then it actually happens! I alone have credibility on this
If you start denying that race figures into college admissions
then you are deep in denial. Race should have ZERO bearing on
acceptance or rejection, but we both know that'snot the way it
is.
It was wrong when people were rejected because they were black.
It's equally wrong now, when we accept people because they're
black.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Michael Zarlenga
: I also enjoy people who race up the breakdown lane on the highway,
: because they can't sit in traffic like the rest of us, then get caught
: at the merge, because no one lets them back into the roadway, even
: better when the cops chase 'em up the brakedown lane.
Mayeb a month ago, I was sitting in stalled traffic in the
low-speed lane just before the 146S/95S merge, patiently
waiting for traffic to move. Zzzzzoom! Car zips past me
in the breakdown lane. Zoom! ... another.
There must've been a half-dozen cars that pulled that shit.
But that day, the gods were smiling and life was sweet.
just around the corner was a Statie with oh, about a half-
dozen cars pulled over, waiting for their citations for being
a-holes.
A few of the bigger jerks who were waiting in line when they
blew past them in the breakdown lane blew their horns, smiled
and waved as they drove past.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Mike Hardiman
the state offers my major; I had to look elsewhere.
In terms of "racial profiling" in police stops, I would suggest that they
have a "quota" for women as well, who seem to be pulled over more often than
men. Furthermore, what if the results show that indeed, more blacks are
pulled over than whites? What would be the proposed solution? A quota? So
an officer has to start ignoring black offenders? Or if he does pull them
over and issue a ticket, a black person can defend himself in court by
saying "he didn't pull over the white man who was speeding ahead of me?"
This should not be an issue. A police officer should not have to worry
about pulling over too many people of one particular race or sex.
As it turns out, one of the top 3 students at my alma-mater high school was
rejected from Brown, even with a 3.9 gpa, and school/extracurricular
activity involvement. Other local (New England) colleges offered the same
student full-paid scholarships. A student from the same class, with less
standing (in terms of gpa) was accepted with partial scholarship. The first
student was white, the second was of Asian descent. Perhaps this is an
"isolated incident." I would be greatly entertained to hear of some similar
consequences.
I could go on further, but I think this reply should suffice. I'd hate to
start a long debate that I don't have the time to participate in.
---Quoted:---
Regarding “non-issues that consume stupid peoples attention”: how much
of a non-issue can you get than posting about Providence Place
escalators, and the Rhode Island Monthly? Consider yourself among
those you describe. Compared to that ingenious conversation, the whole
debate around the state name has even more merit as a legitimate topic.
----end of quote----
I'm not the one who posted on the RI Monthly/escalators, I was merely
replying to previous posts. The original topic was "tounge and cheek"...
most of the issues put forth were not supposed to be serious ones, just 'pet
peeves'.
The topic header is also somewhat negative. I'd be the first to say that RI
has many more positive aspects than negatives. Perhaps because we live in a
small, beautiful state, the "negatives" become more clearly defined through
contrast.
-Mike
Ru...@concentric.net
topic and as a women qualify as a former suppressed portion of our
population.
Someday this whole minority issue will do a complete turn around and those
who are the minority now will be the ones feeling the effect of someone less
motivated and least fit getting a job because of minority guidelines. Your
child will lose a few opportunities in favor of the lastest "We are
surpressed list" Its the same song with new words, some hum, some sing
loudly. Others just move their lips but never learn the lyrics.
Women, Indians. Irish, Italians Africans and many others, all used each
others shoulders to build this country so why do we keep trying to break
each others back.
There will always be as there has always been, someone wanting to cut the
line.
May the best PERSON win.
R.......
.*********************cut************
Eric Jaron Stieglitz
Joel Plutchak <plut...@SncsaP.uiucA.eduM> wrote:
>>How about "God, the Devil, and Bob"?
>
> Never saw it. Was it set in RI?
Nope, but it was another adult cartoon comedy.
Joel Plutchak
>I'm not highly educated (no Brown for me)...
Trust me (heh), as someone who worked at Brown, I can assure
you many undergrads came out of Brown "not highly educated."
I don't know why the place has the reputation it does.
Eric Jaron Stieglitz
>(10) Brown University, who admits students based only on wealthiness or
>"minority status" (most of the time)
I have nothing against Brown itself per se (though I'll admit their
non-need blind admissions policy is behind the times), but does
anyone else who lives near Brown stadium get seriously annoyed when
their Saturday afternoon nap is interrupted by all that noise?
Michael Zarlenga
: : Yeah, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with reality.
: : _The Family Guy_ on the other hand was fairly realistic.
: Familly Guy rules!
For those who have never seen this fantastic show, there
are two (2) Family Guy episodes on Fox TV tonight.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga (aka Peter Griffin)
pla
> doubly pissed because their nosy little cirlce of control-
> freaks-preoccupied-with-everyone got national exposure.
heh, good for him!
neighbors should only do two things... keep their brats out of your
yard, and mind their own business.
i mean, if they wanted to play a friendly game of monopoly, or just chat
idly, i guess that seems okay. but unless the condition of a neighbor's
house and yard could count as hazardous, deal.
- pla
pla
> have a "quota" for women as well, who seem to be pulled over more often than
> men. Furthermore, what if the results show that indeed, more blacks are
> pulled over than whites? What would be the proposed solution? A quota? So
i do hope they do racial profiling of people pulled over...
but...
only if they release the *full* statistics, not just "20% of stops
involve blacks, who make up only 11.5% of the general population"...
because...
i would want the "racial profiles" broken down by race of the officer
who pulled the person over.
my reasoning?
i do not doubt that white cops stop more black drivers. but i have also
seen the reverse, which a single summary statistic would hide nicely.
- pla
Laury
pla <p...@tmok.com> wrote in message news:8jamc9$1tg7$1...@stone.tmok.com...
make. Not only is it money, but it is usually the enviroment
people choose in which to raise their families. So anyone who
is going to invest a huge portion of their lives into the purchase
of a home is going to want to protect their investment, which
is where restrictive convenants and zoning laws come into play.
When you buy a home, if you don't check to see what the zoning
in your area is, you could be in for a big shock. We didn't buy one
house after discovering the adjoining land was zoned 'mixed',
and not residential. We could have ended up with a business in
our backyard. We bought in an area zoned to have certain lot
sizes, and with restrictive covenants. This is to protect our investments
and so that everyone in the neighborhood, as a group, can be
assured that certain characterstics are maintained. We pay for
it, we sign legal agreements to adhere to it. These are all free
choices we make... and *pay* for... or not, as we see fit.
The problem is people whom commit themselves to the rules,
and then exempt themselves. They are too special to follow
the rules they already agreed to. Those rules are for everyone
else, of course. I'd bet my bottom dollar if a sewage treatment
plant were to go up next to Art Guy's house, he'd be the first
to complain. Tough noogies... he either knew, or easily could
have known, the restrictions when he bought.
Someday you will buy something that will represent *not* money,
but MANY years of your life hard at work. And when someone
tries to take that from you, either through using a gun or using
a lawyer, you're going to think it sucks.
Laury
Tony Pelliccio
msgre...@spammerefortress.com says...
> People who come to Warwick to use Oakland Beach and treat it like their
> dumpster, changing their kids diapers and rinsing off the poop at the
> water's edge, letting their foul-mouthed rug-rats run the beach while they
> get drunk and commence to having a screaming war louder than their hateful
> boomboxes. Oh, lest I forget, people letting their dogs run loose while
> other people are trying to relax. Nothing like the screams of terrorized
> toddlers and barking mixed with the radios and profanity to completely drown
> out the sounds of the lapping water.
I can remember a time when Oakland Beach was a nice place. It really irks
me that people feel it's their personal trash dump. Perhaps we should
invoke the death penalty for those that litter. I'd bet people would be a
bit more considerate if you did that.
It amazes me that every night of the week the street sweepers have to
cleanup the butts and dog crap on the streets of Providence. If the law
were enforced this world would be a better place. How about the law in
Providence that says you must clear the snow and ice from your sidewalks
within so many hours after a storm. I've never seen that enforeced unless
someone gets killed because of it.
> People who feed seagulls at the beach. How stupid. Most of what they feed
> birds is probably not good for them, but they train the gulls to expect a
> handout and to not be afraid. This is just great. The result is some
> wretched rat on wings decides to dive into your lunch. I had a gull stick
> its head right through my take-out tray and scatter my food everywhere
> because some other people were chucking them food off their plates. How
> adorable. I hope the birds crap all over them and not me. Actually, I hope
> they get bit.
We used to kill the gulls with Alka-Seltzer. First, you'd lure them with
some french fries or the like and then you'd toss a couple of those fizzy
tablets onto the ground. Stupid gulls eat anything, and they soon start
ballooning up. Wooopeee! Talk about behaviour modification.
> People who think that soda cans and disposable picnicware make great toys
> for the kids! So great, in fact, that they leave them in the sand for
> someone else's enjoyment. Oh, the same goes for store-bought pails and
> shovels that break, so they are left right there. Whatever happened to
> teaching kids to pick up after themselves?
Kids aren't the responsibility of a parent any longer. The state has said
that *IT* will have the final word on disciplining your children.
> People who change their babies in the mall parking lot and throw the diapers
> on the ground, kicking them under the car.
If you happen to see one of these charming folks going into the mall
after they've change little junior and just let a shit filled diaper fall
to the ground, just walk over and smear the shit all over their
windshield.
> Oh, this is a more Cranston or Providence thing, I think... Guys (usually,
> but I've seen grown women do it) stopping to chat with their bud who is in
> another car in the middle of the road and ignoring the cars waiting to get
> by.
Then they wave for you to go around them. Yeah right, in the 30" you've
given me I can wack one of your cars.
> Drivers who haven't even heard of "right turn on red after stop." And
> drivers who blow the horn for you to take that right turn even though there
> is a stream of cars coming.
My favorite is when there's a No Turn on Red sign and people lay on the
horn behind you. I dunno, maybe if the cops paid attention to these
infractions instead of persecuting those who speed we'd see our roads
become safer.
> Smokers who walk into a restaurant where they can choose their seating, and
> sit right next to the non-smoking section, and light up. Again and again and
> again.
Calmly walk to the nearest fire extinguisher and carry it back to your
booth. Proceed to extinguish the offending smokers cigarette or cigar.
Just make sure you're armed when you do this.
Tony
Tony Pelliccio
> i love (note the sarcasm) people who get right behind you while your
> on the highway, i mean the guys who are inspecting your back seat just
> because you're not going 90 in a school zone.. and they can't be
> bothered to notice that you can't change lanesto get out of there way.
> Although I do so enjoy it when a cop sees them and decides to have a
> nice chat with them, off to the side of the rode.
>
> because they can't sit in traffic like the rest of us, then get caught
> at the merge, because no one lets them back into the roadway, even
> better when the cops chase 'em up the brakedown lane.
Nothing beats the one I saw a couple of years ago. I was coming home on
I95 South and was near the RI 146 merge. Traffic was stopped and this
asshole in a BMW decided that the breakdown lane was his way out.
When I finally got to the point where the two highways merge, there was
the BMW, stopped behing a RI State Police cruiser. Heh heh. Sometimes
there is justice.
Tony
Tony Pelliccio
mhar...@nemas.net says...
> How about:
>
> (1) People who turn everything into a "race issue
Yeah, I mean how much more can we beat a dead horse.
> (2) Greasy looking men wearing tank tops riding in an IROC with a big haired
> woman with "professionally" painted nails. (oh, with one headlight out too)
That seems to be a Cranston/Johnston thing.
> (3) "not in my backyard" mentality- the reason why we have no casinos or
> amusement parks in this state.
I don't want to see a casino, but wouldn't be oppposed to an amusement
park.
> (4) Environmental Terrorist yuppies- remember that guy last year who painted
> the funky colored faces on all the tree stumps on his property last year and
> the whiny neighbors that complained?
I believe his name was Michael Kent. I snagged the image off ProJo's
website and it was my desktop wallpaper for quite some time. I was so
happy when the court sided with him on that one. For once it gave me some
measure of faith in justice.
> (5) Two words- South Providence
Given enough time most of it will burn down and be rebuilt.
> (6) Non-issues that consume stupid peoples attention (ie, changing the
> state's name to exclude "plantations")
I know - it's such a terrible waste of time. I can see if it were The
State of Rhode Island and Providence Slave Plantations, but as it is
means squat.
> (7) Wasted land- Rocky Point, Quonset, Fields Point (see #3)
Fields point will be developed within the next 10 years. It's part of
Buddy's New Cities initiative. When you consider it's 550 acres of
waterfront property you understand how valuable it really is.
> (8) People who complain about growth coming to downtown Providence.
> (9) People who complain about Providence Place Mall (yeah driving/parking
> downtown is tight... its an old city- try Boston!!)
Let it grow, let it grow, let it grow! Increase the damned tax base in
this city!
> (10) Brown University, who admits students based only on wealthiness or
> "minority status" (most of the time)
Roughly 50% of Brown students are their with huge amounts of financial
aid.
Tony
Tony Pelliccio
> FYI, if you want to find an example of discrimination on the basis of
> wealth, start with Johnson and Wales.
Huh? What drugs are you taking. While J&W might not be the cheapest of
schools, it's still significantly cheaper than Brown. And J&W doesn't
require you to ace your SAT scores, but instead looks at your academic
record in high school. If you were a total fuckup you won't get into J&W.
Tony
Tony Pelliccio
says...
> In article <8j963t$c...@chronicle.concentric.net>, <Ru...@concentric.net> wrote:
> >I'm not highly educated (no Brown for me)...
>
> Trust me (heh), as someone who worked at Brown, I can assure
> you many undergrads came out of Brown "not highly educated."
> I don't know why the place has the reputation it does.
As a former Brown employee I can vouch for that. Don't forget that Brown
still offers a Pass/Fail option. Brown is strictly image, nothing more.
Tony
Michael Zarlenga
: I can remember a time when Oakland Beach was a nice place. It really irks
: invoke the death penalty for those that litter. I'd bet people would be a
: bit more considerate if you did that.
Yeah right, how about the fact that 90% of the effin snow
on the sidwalks was put there by CITY PLOWS.
I can't count how many friggin times I waited until after
the damn plows came and went and then cleared the sidewalk
only to have some effin jackoff come back down and neaten
the damn street by pushing another two feet onto the
sidewalk.
The City of Providence owns the effin sidewalks, the City
puts most of the effin snow on 'em, let the damn City clean
'em.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Owen Hartnett
<nogoddamned...@nofreakinspam.home.com> wrote:
> In article <Olx55.6895$7W2....@news1.wwck1.ri.home.com>,
> mhar...@nemas.net says...
> > How about:
> >
> > (1) People who turn everything into a "race issue
>
> Yeah, I mean how much more can we beat a dead horse.
Doesn't that make it a dead horse race issue? Must be rather sluggish.
-Owen
Owen Hartnett
Zarlenga <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote:
> Did you ever see the picture of the house the man painted
> as a large dalmation after his neighborhood's aesthetic Nazis
> started pestering him?
Here's a good story from a long time ago I worked in Orleans, MA:
A new subdivision was being bought up, house by house, by a religious
community/cult, named "The Community of Jesus." Each of the houses had
a small sign outside, with a biblical name, like "Gethsemene" or "The
Covenant." There was one house owned by an outsider, a nonmember of the
cult, located right smack in the middle of the development. The cult
put up a huge sign at the entrance to the development, which said
"Welcome to the Community of Jesus," which the nonmember didn't like,
felt it reduced his property value, and he asked the group to take it
down, which they refused.
So he put up a billboard size sign right on his garage, painted it with
big red letters: "Community of the Devil." The elders of the group were
shocked, and said he couldn't put that sign up. He told them, "you take
down your sign, I'll take down mine." They took it down.
-Owen
Joe Hartley
That's not *entirely* true. Brown has a good rep in the hard sciences;
Andy Van Dam is one of the foremost CompSci professors in the world (he
helped develop hypertext, what the entire WWW is based on!), for example.
The flip side of that coin, though, is what draws other types of students
to Brown. Idiotic programs like Semiotics, the pass/fail courses, the
ability to drop a class right up until the last minute without it
appearing on your transcript (flunking Film Studies 101? Drop it the
day before the final and no one will ever know). This last one is the
kicker. Brown (last time I looked, which was years ago) would let you take
the same course as many times as you wanted. Hey, it's your Daddy's
money, right? It's the best Ivy League education money can buy. That's
why the Porsche-driving airheads who vacation in Gstaad and blow each
other air kisses are at Brown - money talks, and Brown listens.
"Oh No! Not Brown!!"
- Lisa Simpson, having a bad dream
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Joe Hartley
In article <qEb65.7684$7W2....@news1.wwck1.ri.home.com>,
j...@brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) writes:
> Hey, it's your Daddy's
> money, right? It's the best Ivy League education money can buy. That's
> why the Porsche-driving airheads who vacation in Gstaad and blow each
> other air kisses are at Brown - money talks, and Brown listens.
Fortunately, it's this rich elite that helps fund the extensive
financial aid program that lets a lot of good people go to Brown.
Bob Ficoturo
wrote:
>In article <2d345.3901$7W2....@news1.wwck1.ri.home.com>, "Paul D.
>Meehan" <pdme...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> Vote now!
Okay... my vote goes to:
People who seem to be more willing to whine about where they live than
to do something about it.
pla
> park.
okay, on that issue, i wonder what people think...
now, i have no real opinion on a casino. i realize it would bring some
money into the state, but problems go along with it.
but... i *do* have an issue with the general assembly refusing to allow
the people of the state of RI to vote on it. i can't imagine how even
the most fervent anti-casino people can go without that really pissing
them off...
ah well. i knew long ago we lived in a fascist oligarchy, why do
these things still catch my attention?
- pla
Emily Titon
6/28/00 3:30 AM, Bob Ficoturo, of Robert.J...@Wawa.com, in a rare
flash of inspiration, is alleged to have scrawled across a napkin:
> People who seem to be more willing to whine about where they live than
> to do something about it.
Exactly! :)
Although I joke about our fair state, it is always with a heaping spoonful
of affection. I often tell people Rhode Island is a culture unto itself.
My favorite jab someone else has taken? Commenting out how it seems
backwards to them that the mainland is called "Rhode Island" while where I
live, an island, is "Jamestown."
Well, its funny until I point out that Jamestown's other name is Conanicut
*Island*.
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Michael Zarlenga
:>> Vote now!
: Okay... my vote goes to:
: People who seem to be more willing to whine about where they live than
: to do something about it.
Get that mirror out ... have you ever whined about missing RI?
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
mah
you. If it really bothers you, you should have considered that before you
moved there.
In article <8jae6q$3j2$1...@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
eph...@atlantis.ctr.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz) wrote:
> In article <Olx55.6895$7W2....@news1.wwck1.ri.home.com>,
> Mike Hardiman <mhar...@nemas.net> wrote:
>
> >(10) Brown University, who admits students based only on wealthiness or
> >"minority status" (most of the time)
>
Joel Plutchak
Joe Hartley <j...@frostydrew.org> wrote:
>>> you many undergrads came out of Brown "not highly educated."
>That's not *entirely* true. Brown has a good rep in the hard sciences;
Oh, I think the graduate school has some good departments,
including the one I worked for. It's the whole "Little Ivy"
undergrad thing I have an issue with.
>Andy Van Dam is one of the foremost CompSci professors in the world (he
>helped develop hypertext, what the entire WWW is based on!), for example.
Helped develop hypertext?! From what I can see, he's been
coasting on the fumes of that intro-level graphics text he helped
write many moons ago. But I admit to not paying much attention
so could well be wrong.
>"Oh No! Not Brown!!"
> - Lisa Simpson, having a bad dream
I chuckled a lot when I saw that episode.
--
Joel Plutchak
"Logic! Good gracious! What rubbish! How can I tell what I think
until I see what I say?" - E. M. Forster
Joel Plutchak
Bob Ficoturo <Robert.J...@Wawa.com> wrote:
>People who seem to be more willing to whine about where they live than
>to do something about it.
How about us people who did something about it but still
whine? :-)
Laury
Paul D. Meehan <pdme...@home.com> wrote in message
news:2d345.3901$7W2....@news1.wwck1.ri.home.com...
> Vote now!
>
I hate to use the word "hate", and I doubt this is confined to RI, but
I have a small offering that might better fall under "stuff that bugs
me all out of proportion"...
I don't understand those roadside shrines. You know the ones I mean...
where someone lost their life in a car accident. I feel very, very badly
for them and the ones they left behind. I share the outrage at the
selfish person who may have killed them. But those shrines...
Why? We don't go to the former hospital rooms of those who die
tragically of disease and create shrines. Why the car accident thing?
It creates distractions to motorists and places those visiting these
shrines in danger.
If I tragically die in an accident, I'd much rather be remembered
somewhere far from where I died, some place appropriate,
someplace where I enjoyed life. Or better yet through doing
something for some cause I would have supported.
Laury
Owen Hartnett
> but... i *do* have an issue with the general assembly refusing to allow
> the people of the state of RI to vote on it. i can't imagine how even
> the most fervent anti-casino people can go without that really pissing
> them off...
Uh, pla...
They have voted on it, several times. Every vote taken has been a
landslide against it. The voters have spoken.
But if you want to get mad about something, how about the slot machines
(video poker) in Lincoln Grayhound Park and Newport Jai-alai. No
taxpayers got to vote for or against them...the powers that be slid them
in during the dead of night using a bent interpretation of a law, even
though previous votes had considerable been *against* allowing increased
gambling in the State and in Newport particularly.
-Owen
D. M. C.
>On my previous post, one of the things
>that made it to my "worst list" is people
>whose opinions are based on local opinion
>without referencing what's going on
>elsewhere in the country.
Well, that's probably due largely to the fact that RI isn't the rest
of the country. Why should what is going on elsewhere, and not here, be
relevant to RIers? This reminds me of the frustration I have with people
from other nations who slam "Americans" over this or that, most often
due to their thinking that because something is true in one part of the
US, it is true in all of it, and that the US is somehow culturally
homogenous. It's not, and I really don't (nor do I see why I should)
care what happens in Arizona anymore than I do what happens in Albania,
until if and when it may effect me here, in RI. Seriously, why should
RIers be concerned about what happens "elsewhere in the country", as
opposed to anywhere else in the world, if it has no impact on us
here?
>Is it up to you to decide what qualifies as
>a race issue and what doesn't?
I think an even better and more basic question is who is it up to
decide what even constitues a ‘race’? It's funny, but
‘Hispanic’, which as far as I can see is a completely mongrel group,
has existed for four hundred years (at best), and has under it's
umbrella people who seemingly range from pure European, to African, to
Native American is somehow a distinct ‘race’ in America. Yet the
Irish, who come from what was a continuing culture and a more or less
closed breeding population dating to mesolithic times, who share a
narrow phenotype, and who modern DNA mapping has shown to be one of the
most genetically unique people in existence, just get lumped in as
‘white’.
Now, even if you just wanted to reduce it to a matter of having a
common ancestral language, the Irish were speaking Irish (Gaelic) a
whole hell of a lot longer than anyone in the New World was speaking
Spanish, that's for sure. In fact, Irish is one of the oldest extant
spoken languages in the world, boasts the oldest vernacular literature
of Europe, and was around long, long before the Spanish language ever
existed at all. Indeed, no one can say for sure how long Gaelic was
being spoken (due to it's roots disappearing into prehistoric mist)
before the Romans ever even introduced Latin to Iberia, let alone the
Latin there eventually mutating into distinctive Spanish, and then
finally, many, many centuries after that, making it's way to Central and
South America.
So you see, I've been waiting a long time for some kind of logical
explanation of this situation, but never expect to find one, because the
definition of ‘race’ in modern America is a basically a baseless
joke. If people want to divide themselves into groups based on
‘black’ or ‘white’ skin color, or your grandfather having spoken
Spanish, then whatever, but that doesn't make all the various peoples
thrown into these groups a genetically related or distinct ‘race’
anymore than a whale is a fish just because it's shaped similar to one.
Defining ‘race’ by a person's height would hardly be less baseless
than defining it the way it currently is, which has no real basis in
either genetics or historical precedence beyond the relatively recent
past.
Ru...@concentric.net
I do hate that though, I clean my walk really good and then I hear that dam
truck making another pass with the snow from 100 yards down the road. (;
If there isn't a parking ban I now pull my car in front of my house and let
it sweep around it and then I drive over that pile a few times.
What I HATE very much is when I walk down the city streets and see over and
over again the same areas not shoveled and It always seems to be the house
of a able bodied person with nothing to do all day but wait for the mailman
to bring them their assistance check. Hey why not let them get up and
shovel the corners or clean the street in exchange for their receiving
public checks.
R.....
> The City of Providence owns the effin sidewalks, the City puts most of the
effin snow on 'em, let the damn City clean 'em.
> -- Mike Zarlenga
anad...@my-deja.com
nhe...@aol.com (NHERENT) wrote:
> -East Side Pedestrians
More accurately called "Brown/RISD students who think they're immortal
and the world should stop for them" Everytime one of those yahoos pops
out from between two parked cars my foot itches to hit the gas.
Anne
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
pla
> than defining it the way it currently is, which has no real basis in
> either genetics or historical precedence beyond the relatively recent
> past.
.. once again making mike's suggestion of "human" as the only correct
answer to any questions regarding race seem all the more reasonable.
i've adopted it, and much to my annoyance since then, have noticed
a lot of the forms that ask for race do *not* have an "other"
slot, just a few discrete choices.
- pla
pla
> over again the same areas not shoveled and It always seems to be the house
> of a able bodied person with nothing to do all day but wait for the mailman
perhaps those able-bodied people have the same opinion as myself...
screw the sidewalk. god or the city put that snow there, god or
the city can make it go away. what difference does a bit of snow on
the sidewalk make, anyway? ooh, terrible inconvenience, i might have
to walk through a bit of snow, or <gasp!> walk *around* it! horror
of horrors.
- pla
Michael Zarlenga
:> anymore than a whale is a fish just because it's shaped similar to one.
By the way, I didn't wind up in jail, get fined or even get
harassed by Census workers for answering all race questions
on my 6-page 2000 Census "long form" with "human."
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Joel Plutchak
>perhaps those able-bodied people have the same opinion as myself...
>screw the sidewalk. god or the city put that snow there, god or
>the city can make it go away. what difference does a bit of snow on
>the sidewalk make, anyway? ooh, terrible inconvenience, i might have
>to walk through a bit of snow, or <gasp!> walk *around* it! horror
>of horrors.
Or >-gasp!-< force some new mother to push her stroller
in the street and risk an encounter with idiot RI drivers.
Or that guy in the wheelchair. Or the fragile elderly woman
who needs fresh air and exercise. Those people just have to
deal with it while some able-bodied jerkwad sits smugly in
his house, laughing at them. That's just life, eh?
There's such as thing as positive community involvement,
you know. At least in other areas of the country.
Ru...@concentric.net
If a carrier falls on an unshoveled walkway their also at fault because the
rules say "No cleared No delivery".
A fresh coating of snow is great but once it hardens then I feel its a
safety hazard and when children have to go into the street to get to school
because of hard piles of snow blocking their path that also is a safety
issue.
As for the ablebodies I speak of, they must like trash, glass, etc as much
as they like snow cause they leave that on their sidewalk also.
Hey.. I shovel, you don't. I'm sure we have bigger things to bitch about.
R.....
"pla" <p...@tmok.com> wrote in message news:8jfq0c$27ti$2...@stone.tmok.com...
> > perhaps those able-bodied people have the same opinion as myself...
> screw the sidewalk. god or the city put that snow there, god or
> the city can make it go away. what difference does a bit of snow on
> the sidewalk make, anyway? ooh, terrible inconvenience, i might have
> to walk through a bit of snow, or <gasp!> walk *around* it! horror
> of horrors.
>
>
>
>
> - pla
>
Eric Stieglitz
mah wrote:
> EJS, are you for real! That stadium has (probably) been there longer than
> you. If it really bothers you, you should have considered that before you
> moved there.
It's been there much longer than me.
And while the stadium's annoying, it doesn't mean that there aren't
other benefits to living in that neighborhood -- like the fact that the
elementary schools that my siblings and I went to were all within
2 blocks of that stadium.
Also, I didn't choose to live there. My parents did. Now I live
in a much noisier place, where you can't even get peace and
quiet at three in the morning :-).
/EJS
Michael Zarlenga
: And while the stadium's annoying, it doesn't mean that there aren't
: other benefits to living in that neighborhood -- like the fact that the
: elementary schools that my siblings and I went to were all within
: 2 blocks of that stadium.
And don't forget more stolen cars and housebreaks than
any other area in Rhode Island.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
mah
> > What I HATE very much is when I walk down the city streets and see over and
> > over again the same areas not shoveled and It always seems to be the house
> > of a able bodied person with nothing to do all day but wait for the mailman
>
> perhaps those able-bodied people have the same opinion as myself...
> screw the sidewalk. god or the city put that snow there, god or
> the city can make it go away. what difference does a bit of snow on
> the sidewalk make, anyway? ooh, terrible inconvenience, i might have
> to walk through a bit of snow, or <gasp!> walk *around* it! horror
> of horrors.
>
>
>
>
> - pla
That a great attitude...For those of us that can walk well. But what
about those that can't, such as elderly, small children, people who aren't
healthy...
A sidewalk isn't usually that much work. If people can't manage to get up
10 minutes earlier in the winter to shovel, then they should just arrange
for someone else to get it done. And as for the city putting it there.
If you moved there - to a home with a sidewalk, you took on that
responsibility.
I've lived in a city where only the main roads were plowed, but you can
bet that everyone's sidewalks were shoveled.
pla
> deal with it while some able-bodied jerkwad sits smugly in
> his house, laughing at them. That's just life, eh?
none of the people you described should go out for a "leisurely stroll"
immediately after a snowstorm, either... the wee li'l baby could get
rather a lot too cold very fast; the fragile elderly woman sounds
like a hip-fracture waiting to happen; and the guy in the wheelchair
wouldn't get any traction whether rolling in a few inches of snow or
that half inch that will remain no matter how well you shovel.
so, again, shoveling the sidewalk really only seems to affect other
perfectly able-bodied people, who could quite easily go through it
or around it.
- pla
pla
> If a carrier falls on an unshoveled walkway their also at fault because the
> rules say "No cleared No delivery".
well now, *that* sounds like a good reason. i want my mail, i shovel
a path to the door. not quite the same as shoveling the sidewalk
running parallel with and very close to the already-plowed-and-thus-
free-of-snow road.
but, i agree, stupid subject to argue over.
- pla
pla
> bet that everyone's sidewalks were shoveled.
okay, let me explain this a bit...
we *already* pay someone to remove snow. thus, we have snowplows. our
taxes pay for what they do.
so, in what bizarre sick and twisted world does it make even a teensy
bit of sense that i have the responsibility to pay *someone else* to
not only finish, but actually *undo* what i've already paid to have
done?
if this conversation involved a new paint job on a car where we had
to pay someone afterward to remove the paint from the windows, detailing,
and tires, every single one of you would advise taking the bastard to
small-claims court. but since this involves the *city*, that great
inviolable entity, it suddenly turns into a "civic-mindedness" issue.
hah.
- pla
Joel Plutchak
>...but since this involves the *city*, that great
>inviolable entity, it suddenly turns into a "civic-mindedness" issue.
The issue of clearing the sidewalks is completely aside from
what happens to city streets.
franklinfractal
>did *i* put the snow there?
>did *i* strip the calcium from the little old lady's bones?
>did *i* set the landmine that blew off the crip's legs in
>vietnam?
>
>no, no, and... no.
Hello pla! You know, we only have your assertions that you did
none of these things. It's entirely possible that you are a
weather controlling, calcium leeching Viet Cong Army veteran.
And *that's* why you won't shovel the sidewalk. :^) This whole
debate is rather lost on me, as I have never lived where it
snows. Snow is something you visit, and then go home. It's
strictly for recreational use. It's cold, and pretty, and fun to
pile on your car for the trip home. Shoveling? That sounds like
work. I hadn't thought of it before. But I guess you RI'ers
probably don't have to gather up Palm fronds after a big
windstorm. It's always something...FF
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pla
> not do? You're a tribute to what being a Rhode Islander is all
> about.
heh, cracked.
did *i* put the snow there?
did *i* strip the calcium from the little old lady's bones?
did *i* set the landmine that blew off the crip's legs in vietnam?
no, no, and... no.
i do not attempt to justify my "laziness" here... in the situation we
describe here, i would most likely go outside and build a snowman, and
generally have fun in ways that take just as much, if not more, energy
than shovelling a sidewalk.
i merely intended to point out that i see no reason why i, or any other
person, should feel compelled to do *anything* for those unfit to live
(by definition, if they cannot get by without my helping them, they
appear unfit to continue existing, and without our interference, would
not).
if i have failed to make that point, i apologize.
- pla
Propp
By the way, I didn't wind up in jail, get fined or even get
> harassed by Census workers for answering all race questions
> on my 6-page 2000 Census "long form" with "human."
He escapes the long arm of the law, again...
We're but another census closer to anarchy<S>
Propp
Joel Plutchak <plut...@SncsaP.uiucA.eduM> wrote in message
news:8jg61d$3...@brew.ncsa.uiuc.edu...
> In article <8jfq0c$27ti$2...@stone.tmok.com>, pla <p...@tmok.com> wrote:
> >perhaps those able-bodied people have the same opinion as myself...
> >screw the sidewalk. god or the city put that snow there, god or
> >the city can make it go away. what difference does a bit of snow on
> >the sidewalk make, anyway? ooh, terrible inconvenience, i might have
> >to walk through a bit of snow, or <gasp!> walk *around* it! horror
> >of horrors.
>
> in the street and risk an encounter with idiot RI drivers.
> Or that guy in the wheelchair. Or the fragile elderly woman
> deal with it while some able-bodied jerkwad sits smugly in
> his house, laughing at them. That's just life, eh?
>
>
Maybe the able-bodied jerkwad is crashed in a bed after working 60 or 70
hours that week, or a 32/48...
Of course, that's no excuse for denying the wheelchair laden or elderly
their fresh air and exercise in the snow<G> Now if we could connect a
snowblower, and have grams follow with the salt, we'd have a soln....
Propp
(a firm believer that snow shovels, teenagers, and twenty dollar bills form
a perfect triad...and wonders how a thread became so OT as to discuss snow,
with July fourth breathing down our necks. Isn't there a BBQ gripe out there
somewhere?)
Michael Zarlenga
:>> deal with it while some able-bodied jerkwad sits smugly in
:>> his house, laughing at them. That's just life, eh?
:>none of the people you described should go out for a "leisurely stroll"
:>immediately after a snowstorm, either...
: So now we're deciding for others what they should and should
: not do? You're a tribute to what being a Rhode Islander is all
: about.
Or, one might say: the City has decided by blocking the
sidewalks with snow.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Laury
pla <p...@tmok.com> wrote in message news:8jjavn$2fkn$1...@stone.tmok.com...
> > So now we're deciding for others what they should and should
> > not do? You're a tribute to what being a Rhode Islander is all
> > about.
>
> did *i* put the snow there?
> did *i* strip the calcium from the little old lady's bones?
> did *i* set the landmine that blew off the crip's legs in vietnam?
>
> no, no, and... no.
>
> i do not attempt to justify my "laziness" here... in the situation we
> describe here, i would most likely go outside and build a snowman, and
> generally have fun in ways that take just as much, if not more, energy
> than shovelling a sidewalk.
>
> i merely intended to point out that i see no reason why i, or any
other
> person, should feel compelled to do *anything* for those unfit to live
> (by definition, if they cannot get by without my helping them, they
> appear unfit to continue existing, and without our interference, would
> not).
>
infection? Can you grow your own food, and do you have enough
land to grow enough to live on? Can you build your own house, spin
your own thread, sew your own clothes, and transport yourself
everywhere you want to go?
Do you really think you will *always* be able to pay others for
these services? My grandparents remembered the Depression,
and I remember a serious recession. During that period of
double-digit unemployement rates, were ALL those people
"unfit to live"? It's so funny... those people were nurses and
teachers... people who today, just a few years later, are in huge
demand. This is why man first formed tribes, later cities, and
today what we call modern society. We ALL stand a better
chance at survival working cooperatively. If physical
ability were all it took to surive, we'd all still be carrying
spears and wearing animal skins. Bears would be the dominant
species.
Also, let me correct something you said here. Regular exercise
strengthens bones and decreases the chance of fractures. Those
old people who are out walking daily are wise.
Laury
Michael Zarlenga
: I hate it when the plows invariably block up my driveway and the walk I've
: made for the letter carrier after I shovel. I live near a corner and I get
: more than twice the snow dumped in front of my house than the neighbor
: across the street. This must be because this is the most logical plowing
Ditto one of my last residences.
: Please tell me how you want the City of Providence to clear the roads and
: not plow any snow to the side. Or do you want the city to pay people to
: shovel the walk, too?
I like the latter option.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Michael Zarlenga
: Michael Zarlenga <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote in message
: news:HSo75.370$R7.1...@news-east.usenetserver.com...
:> : Please tell me how you want the City of Providence to clear the roads
: and
:> : not plow any snow to the side. Or do you want the city to pay people to
:> : shovel the walk, too?
:>
:> I like the latter option.
: Okay. I'd like that, too, if I had a city sidewalk. But Mike, they will need
: equipment and payroll/benefits or it will have to go out to bid to
: contractors. Won't this increase your taxes, the size/control of the city
: government, and all the related issues?
I wish I had an optimal answer to the problem, but I have
only complaints. My best solution is simply to say "walk
in the streets when the sidewalk is blocked."
It's not perfect but it works for me.
In another town/neighborhood where I lived there were no
sidewalks and things worked just fine for pedestrians who
walked on the side of the street.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
pla
> a perfect triad...and wonders how a thread became so OT as to discuss snow,
> with July fourth breathing down our necks. Isn't there a BBQ gripe out there
> somewhere?)
heh, okay, good point.
ya know, i really *hate* having to shovel discarded fireworks off of
the sidewalks after inconsiderate and illegal partyers just light off
hundreds with no regard for where they land...
<EG>
- pla
pla
> infection? Can you grow your own food, and do you have enough
> land to grow enough to live on? Can you build your own house, spin
> your own thread, sew your own clothes, and transport yourself
> everywhere you want to go?
surgery, no. heal myself, yes, if the government didn't deny me the
right to purchase the relevant drugs (which, yes, i realize other
people produced. i do, however, posess the skills needed to culture
the fungii that would produce a given antibiotic).
everything else you mentioned, yes, i can. i live by a simple
idea, which most people find strange (and i suppose i admit it
seems unnecessary in our society)... if i discover i lack the
ability to do something that i need done, i learn how to do it.
i consider myself fully capable of going off into the woods and
surviving quite well, with no human contact whatsoever. other
humans do provide some perks, and i do enjoy *some* company, but
the day i discover i really do *need* another human to keep me
alive (chronically, i don't mean, as per your example, surgery
or other one-shot deals), i will rid the planet of myself as a
nuissance.
(well, okay, i do not "own" enough land to farm enough to live on... but
that forms another purely societally-imposed restriction. if you
defined "own" as the ability to defend and maintain a portion of
land, i have little doubt i would do quite well.
- pla
Eric Jaron Stieglitz
Michael Zarlenga <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote:
>
>By the way, I didn't wind up in jail, get fined or even get
>harassed by Census workers for answering all race questions
>on my 6-page 2000 Census "long form" with "human."
Here's an interesting exercise:
Define "race". Define the procedures through which a person's
race can be scientifically determined and all of humanity categorized.
/EJS
--
Eric Jaron Stieglitz eph...@ctr.columbia.edu
Systems and Network Administrator Taos Mountain
http://www.ctr.columbia.edu/people/Eric.html
Propp
Propp <pr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:...
>
> Joel Plutchak <plut...@SncsaP.uiucA.eduM> wrote in message
> news:8jg61d$3...@brew.ncsa.uiuc.edu...
> > In article <8jfq0c$27ti$2...@stone.tmok.com>, pla <p...@tmok.com> wrote:
> > >perhaps those able-bodied people have the same opinion as myself...
> > >screw the sidewalk. god or the city put that snow there, god or
> > >the city can make it go away. what difference does a bit of snow on
> > >the sidewalk make, anyway? ooh, terrible inconvenience, i might have
> > >to walk through a bit of snow, or <gasp!> walk *around* it! horror
> > >of horrors.
> >
> > Or >-gasp!-< force some new mother to push her stroller
> > in the street and risk an encounter with idiot RI drivers.
> > Or that guy in the wheelchair. Or the fragile elderly woman
> > who needs fresh air and exercise. Those people just have to
> > his house, laughing at them. That's just life, eh?
> >
> >
> Maybe the able-bodied jerkwad is crashed in a bed after working 60 or 70
> hours that week, or a 32/48...
> Of course, that's no excuse for denying the wheelchair laden or elderly
> their fresh air and exercise in the snow<G> Now if we could connect a
> snowblower, and have grams follow with the salt, we'd have a soln....
>
> Propp
pla
> not plow any snow to the side. Or do you want the city to pay people to
> shovel the walk, too?
one rather effective alternative i've noticed, more or less by
accident and some creative daydreaming, would consist of steam-tunnels
underneath the road. visit URI some day after a snow, and you will
notice that you could easily map out all of the pipes that carry
steam between the buildings. a single little pipe, perhaps
6" in diameter, will provide enough wasted heat to melt a good 10'
wide swath above it. and, produced in bulk, that steam costs
less to produce than plowing does after a decent storm. when we
wake up, all the snow would have vanished, and as a perk, the
roads would never ice over unless we had a really amazingly long and
harsh cold spell (of the sourt RI gets perhaps once a century).
- pla
pla
> not plow any snow to the side. Or do you want the city to pay people to
> shovel the walk, too?
hmm, i just realize i went so far with this really inane thread as
to argue with mary, the official alt.RI Voice-Of-Reason(tm). okay,
i'll stop. no more. ;-)
- pla
Ru...@concentric.net
Or maybe the little old lady next door to these inconsiderates who have been
shoveling for 50 yrs. will go out and shovel theirs for them.
I make it a point when I walk my children to school on a day after the snow
fall to carry a shovel just for this reason. It takes a minute to clear the
corners and I feel good about it.
Now anyone have any good BBQ stories?
Like I left the dog to watch the kids for a minute and they ate the ribs.
Spareribs, not the kids.
R.......
> I can only hope that those who are able to keep the walks clear, but
refuse
> to because they really don't give a shit about anyone else's needs or
> rights,
Thomas M. Reynolds
> one rather effective alternative i've noticed, more or less by
> accident and some creative daydreaming, would consist of steam-tunnels
> underneath the road. visit URI some day after a snow, and you will
> notice that you could easily map out all of the pipes that carry
> steam between the buildings. a single little pipe, perhaps
> 6" in diameter, will provide enough wasted heat to melt a good 10'
> wide swath above it. and, produced in bulk, that steam costs
> less to produce than plowing does after a decent storm. when we
> wake up, all the snow would have vanished, and as a perk, the
> roads would never ice over unless we had a really amazingly long and
> harsh cold spell (of the sourt RI gets perhaps once a century).
If URI's systems are that inefficient, it is inexcusable for wasting huge
amounts of taxpayers money. Steam is used throughout the Federal Building
system in DC and you will find access grates with homeless sleeping on them
until they get picked up and taken to shelters. But the grates are limited and
essential to system maintenance. With as little snow as the area has, you
could never track the steam route from snow melt. However, steam (and hot
water) systems are sometimes used commercially and by the very wealthy to clear
driveways. The cost is huge and very limited therefore. When using hot water
or steam, the system has to be dried after use. That is, due to
water/condensation remaining after use, which would refreeze (and burst) from
cold once the snow is gone and the heat is turned off, the systems need to be
totally drained after each use. The drainage is gravity based, the pipes are
now usually plastic, and very, very few are in use except in the ramps of
commercial garages in my experience. Very expensive construction and
maintenance.
Bob Ficoturo
On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:02:09 -0400, Eric Stieglitz
<eph...@ctr.columbia.edu> wrote:
>Also, I didn't choose to live there. My parents did. Now I live
>in a much noisier place, where you can't even get peace and
>quiet at three in the morning :-).
But that's its charm... when you live in the city that never sleeps,
you're gonna hear some noise. I, for one envy you. I think the world
can be separated into two groups; those who love NY, and those who
hate it/fear it. I'm a NY lover. Pity I'm married to a woman from
the other group <G>. She graciously tolerates my insistance on
driving into the city for:
*coffee at midnight on the spur of the moment
*steaks at Peter Lugars
*dinner and a show
*visiting the museams
*shopping
*et al
Bob F.
>
>/EJS
>
Bob Ficoturo
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:45:29 GMT, Michael Zarlenga
<zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote:
>Bob Ficoturo <Robert.J...@Wawa.com> wrote:
>:>> Vote now!
>
>: Okay... my vote goes to:
>: People who seem to be more willing to whine about where they live than
>: to do something about it.
>
>Get that mirror out ... have you ever whined about missing RI?
As a matter of fact I haven't. I've said that I miss it; I've said
that I'd prefer to live there... but that could hardly be called
whining. It's a preference. I don't take every opportunity to take
cheap shots at Philadelphia, nor do I continually extol the virtues of
RI. When asked, or when it was an appropriate issue in conversation,
I've expressed a preference. Hardly whining.
Bob F.
Bob Ficoturo
On 28 Jun 2000 14:08:44 -0000, plut...@SncsaP.uiucA.eduM (Joel
Plutchak) wrote:
>In article <3959703...@news.fast.net>,
>Bob Ficoturo <Robert.J...@Wawa.com> wrote:
>>People who seem to be more willing to whine about where they live than
>>to do something about it.
>
> How about us people who did something about it but still
>whine? :-)
Sounds to me like you've earned the right to whine. You go on! <G>
Bob F.
Bob Ficoturo
On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 02:40:32 -0400 (EDT), cle...@webtv.net (D. M. C.)
wrote:
>homogenous. It's not, and I really don't (nor do I see why I should)
>care what happens in Arizona anymore than I do what happens in Albania,
>until if and when it may effect me here, in RI. Seriously, why should
>RIers be concerned about what happens "elsewhere in the country", as
>opposed to anywhere else in the world, if it has no impact on us
>here?
Do you really think you are so isolated from what happens in other
states, and for that matter, other countries? The borders around RI
are logical notions, not physical ones. The political, economic and
social events in Arizona will affect you in one way or another,
because you share with Arizonans (what do they call themselves?) the
American experience. What happens in Abania will affect you in one
way or another because you share with Albanians the human experience.
Bob F.
Laury
pla <p...@tmok.com> wrote in message news:8jmk55$2ood$1...@stone.tmok.com...
if i discover i lack the
> ability to do something that i need done, i learn how to do it.
Through trial and error, or education, which is a cooperatively-
based activity?
> i consider myself fully capable of going off into the woods and
> surviving quite well, with no human contact whatsoever. >
> (well, okay, i do not "own" enough land to farm enough to live on...
but
> that forms another purely societally-imposed restriction. if you
> defined "own" as the ability to defend and maintain a portion of
> land, i have little doubt i would do quite well.
Well, just remember two things. One... many farmers starved to
death during the Great Depression. Two... cotton kills.
Laury
Michael Zarlenga
:>:>> Vote now!
:>
:>: Okay... my vote goes to:
:>: to do something about it.
:>Get that mirror out ... have you ever whined about missing RI?
: As a matter of fact I haven't. I've said that I miss it; I've said
: that I'd prefer to live there... but that could hardly be called
: whining. It's a preference. I don't take every opportunity to take
: cheap shots at Philadelphia, nor do I continually extol the virtues of
: RI. When asked, or when it was an appropriate issue in conversation,
: I've expressed a preference. Hardly whining.
Oh, yeah, now I get it:
When *you* complain, it's "expressing a preference."
When *others* complain, it's "whining."
Silly me, I should have known.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
pla
> temperature of a driveway to a home via water on its way into a household
> heatpump system.
one would think so... then again, i do not understand why we don't
make better use of that anyway. 20' below ground, the temperature
stays at a constant... i think 60F... all year long. why don't we
use that even for home heating/AC? i dunno. ask the oil companies.
- pla
pla
> based activity?
fair 'nuff... i usually learn how to do something by reading about it,
or asking someone who knows. but i already admitted that people
can make useful companions ans sources of information. but i also
learn rapidly by trial-and-error, which simply takes a bit longer.
hmm, i don't even remember the point of this conversation. usually
a good sign i should end it.
- pla