Arizona=coffee milk?
Christopher Martin
<http://www.dispatch.com/news/trips/taste/rifood0614.html>
One entry claims that coffee milk is also known as "Arizona" and that
Autocrat has a standing offer of a sixpack of coffee syrup to whoever
can explain the origin of the term. Now, I'm not angling for the prize,
I just want to know if anyone here has ever heard of coffee milk refered
to in this way. CZF? Z? Owen? Mary? Anyone? Have I been living
under a rock for thirteen years?
Christopher
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czf
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> Thomas M. Reynolds gave this link in the "NY System Wieners" thread:
>
> <http://www.dispatch.com/news/trips/taste/rifood0614.html>
>
> One entry claims that coffee milk is also known as "Arizona" and that
> Autocrat has a standing offer of a sixpack of coffee syrup to whoever
> can explain the origin of the term. Now, I'm not angling for the prize,
> I just want to know if anyone here has ever heard of coffee milk refered
> to in this way. CZF? Z? Owen? Mary? Anyone? Have I been living
> under a rock for thirteen years?
>
> Christopher
Whaaaaaaatt ????????
No way. They made that up, or it's their own personal lingo. Or they are
from Woonsocket.
Coffeemilk is coffeemilk. Pronounced coffeemilk, not coffee (pause) milk.
czf (confident)
tomk
its just a milk shake from newport creamery, which is interstate.
"czf" <rac...@deckards.piano> wrote in message
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Christopher Martin
> why did they include awful awful?
> its just a milk shake from newport creamery, which is interstate.
Probably the same reason I list it on my website: It's a Rhode Island
business and the Awful Awful differs from other ice cream drinks in that
it's made from a proprietrary ice milk mix. It's not a huge difference,
I know, but us chroniclers of the cultural zeitgeist, we take what we
can get. Besides, Awful Awfuls are damn tasty.
And by the way, it's my understanding that if you ask for a milk shake
in this state, you're just as likely to get something made from just
milk and syrup as you are something made from ice cream, milk, and
syrup.
OwenHartnett
<cs...@toast.net> wrote:
> And by the way, it's my understanding that if you ask for a milk shake
> in this state, you're just as likely to get something made from just
> milk and syrup as you are something made from ice cream, milk, and
> syrup.
My wife, an ice cream aficienado, insists that a milk shake is just
that, milk and syrup shaken up, where you need a cabinet or frappe for
ice cream content.
-Owen, who recalls hearing someone in line at Gray's ask: "What's a
Frap-pay?"
Lee Rudolph
>-Owen, who recalls hearing someone in line at Gray's ask: "What's a
>Frap-pay?"
"Twenty dollars, same as anyone else."
Lee Rudolph
Mr. Potatohead
>
> And by the way, it's my understanding that if you ask for a milk shake
> in this state, you're just as likely to get something made from just
> milk and syrup as you are something made from ice cream, milk, and
> syrup.
>
Today it's anyone's guess what you would get, but as a lad, I worked
at a soda fountain in a drugstore. A RI milkshake was indeed just
syrup and milk. The difference between *it* and a coffeemilk (or
whatever flavor) was that it was put on the mixer and aerated - same
as a "cabinet" (aka "frappe" elsewhere). A "cabinet" had ice cream added.
tomk
> tomk <to...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > why did they include awful awful?
> > its just a milk shake from newport creamery, which is interstate.
>
> Probably the same reason I list it on my website: It's a Rhode Island
> business and the Awful Awful differs from other ice cream drinks in that
> it's made from a proprietrary ice milk mix. It's not a huge difference,
> I know, but us chroniclers of the cultural zeitgeist, we take what we
> can get. Besides, Awful Awfuls are damn tasty.
by that reasoning, one can claim a Coffee Coolatta a Massachusetts drink.
> And by the way, it's my understanding that if you ask for a milk shake
> in this state, you're just as likely to get something made from just
> milk and syrup as you are something made from ice cream, milk, and
> syrup.
Milk shake - milk, syrup(flavor dependant), shaken.
Frozen milk shake, frappe - add ice cream.
i have never heard anyone ask for or seen it listed as a Cabinet, however i
live in N. RI on the MA
border where we don't have "the accent" or proprietary language.
czf
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What he said.
czf
Anne
> at a soda fountain in a drugstore. A RI milkshake was indeed just
> syrup and milk.
This was true for me, too, in southeastern Mass. as a teen and college
student in both a Route 6 diner and an ice-cream parlor.
GLOSSARY:
Milk shake: syrup and milk buzzed in the mixer
Frappe (Mass.) or cabinet (RI): syrup, ice cream, and milk; mix
Malted: add malt powder to the latter; mix
Ice cream soda: syrup, cream, seltzer mixed with a spoon, topped with
scoops of ice cream. Serve with long-handled spoon and a straw.
Egg cream (for those rich New York yachtsman who would show up in our
little store in the summer): an ice cream soda minus the ice cream.
- Anne "Bring back the lime rickey!"
Anne
Well, duh; that should have read "the former."
- A.
OwenHartnett
<to...@mail.com> wrote:
> i have never heard anyone ask for or seen it listed as a Cabinet, however i
> live in N. RI on the MA
> border where we don't have "the accent" or proprietary language.
Gray's Ice Cream in Tiverton has it listed on the sign as "Frappe or
Cabinet"
-Owen
Anne
> Cabinet"
A nod to nearby Massachusetts folks, who use "frappe".
- Anne
OwenHartnett
<henny...@cox.net> wrote:
Being born and raised in Fall River, we always used "cabinet". I had
never heard the term "frappe" until I was in my teen years. We always
went down to Fitzgerald's Pharmacy ("Fitzy's") to get a coffee cab at
the soda fountain.
-Owen
Lee Rudolph
>This was true for me, too, in southeastern Mass. as a teen and college
>student in both a Route 6 diner and an ice-cream parlor.
>
>GLOSSARY:
> Milk shake: syrup and milk buzzed in the mixer
> Frappe (Mass.) or cabinet (RI): syrup, ice cream, and milk; mix
> Malted: add malt powder to the latter; mix
> Ice cream soda: syrup, cream, seltzer mixed with a spoon, topped with
>scoops of ice cream. Serve with long-handled spoon and a straw.
> Egg cream (for those rich New York yachtsman who would show up in our
>little store in the summer): an ice cream soda minus the ice cream.
In Cleveland, Ohio, at (I'm guessing) around the same era (viz.,
early 1960s), there was something called a "Boston Cooler" which,
as far as I can remember, was ginger ale (preferably Vernor's, of
course) or possibly some similar soft drink, with a scoop or two
of ice cream (or possibly sherbet) in it--no syrup, no cream.
I never saw it elsewhere, and certainly not when I moved to Boston
(much less in S.E. Mass.). Does that ring any R.I. bells?
Lee Rudolph (it was the same era when, at least in that place,
"California Cheeseburger" meant "cheeseburger with lettuce and
tomato"...haven't heard *that* since, either)
SCOTTY...@webtv.net
Hello again. Scotty from North Providence.
Michael Zarlenga
: as far as I can remember, was ginger ale (preferably Vernor's, of
Where in RI might I find Vernor's ginger ale?
Anne
LOL! Scotty, everyone makes mistakes. You are in good company here. :-)
- Anne
Anne
> course) or possibly some similar soft drink, with a scoop or two
> of ice cream (or possibly sherbet) in it--no syrup, no cream.
We called that a "float." Root beer floats were very popular: root beer
with vanilla ice cream. I did have ginger-ale floats, too, but mostly at
home.
Lord, this thread is making me hungry.
- Anne
Anne
> never heard the term "frappe" until I was in my teen years.
That's so interesting... what a difference 10 miles make. I was born in
New Bedford and graduated from high school in Mattapoisett, and my mom was
born and raised in Fairhaven, and neither of us had ever heard "cabinet"
until I came to college in R.I. Just "frappes."
Proving, perhaps, once again that Fall River is a country all its own. :-)
- Anne
OwenHartnett
>
> Proving, perhaps, once again that Fall River is a country all its own. :-)
Several of them, in fact.
-Owen
SCOTTY...@webtv.net
SCOTTY
Mr. Potatohead
> In Cleveland, Ohio, at (I'm guessing) around the same era (viz.,
> early 1960s), there was something called a "Boston Cooler" which,
> as far as I can remember, was ginger ale (preferably Vernor's, of
> course) or possibly some similar soft drink, with a scoop or two
> of ice cream (or possibly sherbet) in it--no syrup, no cream.
> I never saw it elsewhere, and certainly not when I moved to Boston
> (much less in S.E. Mass.). Does that ring any R.I. bells?
>
> Lee Rudolph (it was the same era when, at least in that place,
> "California Cheeseburger" meant "cheeseburger with lettuce and
> tomato"...haven't heard *that* since, either)
When I was in the soda fountain "business" I did a lot of
experimenting, of course - when the boss was out. But there was an
"official" drink similar to that using root beer, not ginger ale. A
root beer float was dubbed a "Black Cow" but I have no idea. It might
have been a local thing. You had to be pretty careful getting that ice
cream into the root beer because there was a hellacious reaction and
it would foam all over the place.
Lee Rudolph
>Proving, perhaps, once again that Fall River is a country all its own. :-)
It certainly has its own accent (which extends down to Westport--I won't
swear to how Tivertonians or Little Comptonites talk). "Fa' River."
Nicknames (okay, now here I'm really speaking only from experience
with Westporters) like "Ab" for "Albert", "Wib" for "Wilbur", and
"Phip" for "Philip".
Country all its own? It's its own ell-less island.
Lee Rudolph
OwenHartnett
<lrud...@panix.com> wrote:
> henny...@cox.net (Anne) writes:
>
> >Proving, perhaps, once again that Fall River is a country all its own. :-)
>
> It certainly has its own accent (which extends down to Westport--I won't
> swear to how Tivertonians or Little Comptonites talk). "Fa' River."
> Nicknames (okay, now here I'm really speaking only from experience
> with Westporters) like "Ab" for "Albert", "Wib" for "Wilbur", and
> "Phip" for "Philip".
north Tiverton is mostly escaped Fall Riverites. Little Compton is
either old time Yankees or immigrants from elsewhere (often NY).
There's actually a bunch of different accents in Fall Riv-ah (the
pronunciation I'm most familiar with -- also note that Durfee gets beat
every year on Thanksgiving by New Be-fit), but I've never heard those
nicknames, so they must be Westport dialect (and I'll bet it's
different accents on Rte 177 and Westport Point).
-Owen
-Owen
JETman
A milkshake was also cheaper...
--
Regards,
JT (Remembering frugality in Austin, Texas)
Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......
Mr. Potatohead
>
> "Mr. Potatohead" wrote:
>
>>Christopher Martin wrote:
>>
>>>And by the way, it's my understanding that if you ask for a milk shake
>>>in this state, you're just as likely to get something made from just
>>>milk and syrup as you are something made from ice cream, milk, and
>>>syrup.
>>>
>>
>>Today it's anyone's guess what you would get, but as a lad, I worked
>>at a soda fountain in a drugstore. A RI milkshake was indeed just
>>syrup and milk. The difference between *it* and a coffeemilk (or
>>whatever flavor) was that it was put on the mixer and aerated - same
>>as a "cabinet" (aka "frappe" elsewhere). A "cabinet" had ice cream added.
>
>
>
>
> A milkshake was also cheaper...
>
>
A point of fact unescapable to even the smallest minds. :-)
JETman
Grrrrrrrrr
--
Regards,
JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
Laury
"OwenHartnett" <ow...@xids.xnet> wrote in message
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I remember back in the '60s, when going downtown to do my
back-to-school shopping with my grandmother, we went
to a soda fountain for a treat. She wasn't paying attention
when I ordered a milk shake, and I was very put out that
it didn't contain ice cream. My normally gracious grandma
said "That damned McDonald's!". She then explained that
real milkshakes do not have ice cream. If you want ice cream
in it, you must order a cabinet or frappe. McDonald's
does it all wrong.
I don't recall where this was, but it's a safe bet it was near
Shepherd's and the Outlet.
Laury
Laury
>
> When I was in the soda fountain "business" I did a lot of
> experimenting, of course - when the boss was out. But there was an
> "official" drink similar to that using root beer, not ginger ale. A
> root beer float was dubbed a "Black Cow" but I have no idea. It might
> have been a local thing. You had to be pretty careful getting that ice
> cream into the root beer because there was a hellacious reaction and
> it would foam all over the place.
>
That will teach me to post before reading the whole thread.
That sounds like the "black & white" I mentioned earlier...
I bet that's it. Thanks Mr Pot
Laury
Laury
"Anne" <henny...@cox.net> wrote in message
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How about a black & white? My grandmother used to
order those, and strangely enough I seem to remember
it contained rootbeer.
Laury
A
The black and white that I remember (and this goes back to my mom's
childhood as well) was a chocolate ice cream soda with vanilla ice cream.
Perhaps in some places it also referred to a root-beer float. ?
- Anne
Carol Cohen
ROF!
C.C.
Carol Cohen
>
> north Tiverton is mostly escaped Fall Riverites. Little Compton is
> either old time Yankees or immigrants from elsewhere (often NY).
> There's actually a bunch of different accents in Fall Riv-ah (the
> pronunciation I'm most familiar with -- also note that Durfee gets beat
> every year on Thanksgiving by New Be-fit), but I've never heard those
> nicknames, so they must be Westport dialect (and I'll bet it's
> different accents on Rte 177 and Westport Point).
>
> -Owen
Hey, wait a minute! Of all the people I've met in Little Compton, only 1
comes from/works in NY and he's in LC only during August. Most of the
year-rounders come from or are descended from: East Providence, Providence,
Fall River, New Bedford, etc. You may be thinking of LC as a posh country
club community, but most of its year-round residents are very middle-class
people of the region. Don't point to the summer people as providers of
language accent. They tend to speak pure accentless American.
And yes, I've heard "Fa' Riv-ah" too, in its home town.
C.C.
Carol Cohen
> From: A <henny...@cox.net>
> Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:08:06 -0400
> Subject: Re: Arizona=coffee milk?
My two cents: a black and white was, in my youth in D.C., vanilla ice cream
in a chocolate soda. Some called in a Boston Cooler or a Black Cow. A
"root beer float" was vanilla i.c. in root beer. An egg cream I didn't know
about til I met my future husband, a NY'er: seltzer, chocolate syrup, and
milk mixed together, a fizzy chocolate milk (the egg cream, not my husband).
C.C.
OwenHartnett
<carol...@raines.com> wrote:
No, I agree. That's what I meant be "immigrants from elsewhere." Most
of the New Yorkers are summer folk, and I'll agree with your
characterization of middle-class Little Compton. It's certainly not a
Barrington.
-Owen
Anne
Commons Lunch at 7:30 a.m. in the dead of winter, and the greatly expanded
resort town in the summer. (I seem to remember Wilbur's store marking up
its groceries when the summer throngs arrived!)
- Anne (missing LC)
mj
Laury wrote:
>
> I remember back in the '60s, when going downtown to do my
> back-to-school shopping with my grandmother, we went
> to a soda fountain for a treat. She wasn't paying attention
> when I ordered a milk shake, and I was very put out that
> it didn't contain ice cream. My normally gracious grandma
> said "That damned McDonald's!". She then explained that
> real milkshakes do not have ice cream. If you want ice cream
> in it, you must order a cabinet or frappe. McDonald's
> does it all wrong.
>
And how things change. It's been many years since McDonalds actually used ice
cream in their shakes. I'll admit it's some kind of modified, dairy-based
product but it's of little relationship to ice cream.
Anyone recall the Gulf Hill Dairy in South Dartmouth (? or there abouts).
Back when, they had the best ice cream, shakes, banana splits, etc of
anywhere.
Lee Rudolph
>Anyone recall the Gulf Hill Dairy in South Dartmouth (? or there abouts).
South Dartmouth is right.
>Back when, they had the best ice cream, shakes, banana splits, etc of
>anywhere.
Bah. Simmons Store in Adamsville, at the time still run by Gracie
and her nephew Jimmy, beat them all hollow.
Lee Rudolph
A
>
>Anyone recall the Gulf Hill Dairy in South Dartmouth (? or there abouts).
>Back when, they had the best ice cream, shakes, banana splits, etc of
>anywhere.
>
cream was our favorite family treat on a summer evening.
Isn't it still there? It was when I worked at SMU (now UMass) c. 1980.
- Anne
A
>
>Bah. Simmons Store in Adamsville, at the time still run by Gracie
>and her nephew Jimmy, beat them all hollow.
>
I agree. We lived much closer to Gray's but would drive to Simmons'
instead for ice cream. YUM.
- Anne
Michael Zarlenga
: And how things change. It's been many years since McDonalds actually used ice
: cream in their shakes. I'll admit it's some kind of modified, dairy-based
: product but it's of little relationship to ice cream.
Or, as they say on the Simpsons: a non-dairy gelatinous beverage.
Christopher Martin
> by that reasoning, one can claim a Coffee Coolatta a Massachusetts drink.
Yup, but which name will need to be explained to someone visiting from
Lubbock, San Diego, or Miami -- the Coffee Coolatta or the Awful Awful?
> i have never heard anyone ask for or seen it listed as a Cabinet, however i
> live in N. RI on the MA
> border where we don't have "the accent" or proprietary language.
As mentioned, cabinets are listed at Gray's in Tiverton. Also at the
Poweder Mill Creamery in Smithfield and Lickety Splits in Richmond. And
most famously, perhaps, at Delekta Pharmacy in Warren.
Christopher
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Laury
"Christopher Martin" <cs...@toast.net> wrote in message
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> tomk <to...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > by that reasoning, one can claim a Coffee Coolatta a Massachusetts drink.
>
> Yup, but which name will need to be explained to someone visiting from
> Lubbock, San Diego, or Miami -- the Coffee Coolatta or the Awful Awful?
>
> > i have never heard anyone ask for or seen it listed as a Cabinet, however
i
> > live in N. RI on the MA
> > border where we don't have "the accent" or proprietary language.
>
> As mentioned, cabinets are listed at Gray's in Tiverton. Also at the
> Poweder Mill Creamery in Smithfield and Lickety Splits in Richmond. And
> most famously, perhaps, at Delekta Pharmacy in Warren.
Even more famously in Newport Creamery's menu.
Laury
tomk
everyone
will know the awful awful. can't RI pride itself on something better than a
*milkshake*
with a stupid name. i don't suppose the rudy-tootie-fresh-n-fruity is ours
too is it?
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> Thomas M. Reynolds gave this link in the "NY System Wieners" thread:
>
> <http://www.dispatch.com/news/trips/taste/rifood0614.html>
>
> One entry claims that coffee milk is also known as "Arizona" and that
> Autocrat has a standing offer of a sixpack of coffee syrup to whoever
> can explain the origin of the term. Now, I'm not angling for the prize,
> I just want to know if anyone here has ever heard of coffee milk refered
> to in this way. CZF? Z? Owen? Mary? Anyone? Have I been living
> under a rock for thirteen years?
> Christopher
>
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