Where are the revisionist scholars who aren't neo-nazis or anti-semites?

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Allan Matthews

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Gee, you'd think that after many months of posting this at least one
revisionist who isn't a neo-Nazi or anti-Semite would have come forward
and said "Here I am!"

But, no. It appears that there just aren't any such revisionists
around.

Based on their past posting history, the few bozos who have bothered to
claim that they aren't neo-Nazis or anti-Semites were, upon examination
of their claims, found to be clearly lying. Of course, given the
general behavior of revisionists, this lack of honesty isn't surprising
in the least.

However, just in case some revisionist 'scholars' have missed my
question to date, here it is again:

Where are the revisionists who aren't neo-Nazis or anti-Semites?

It's a fair question. Afterall, how can revisionsists hope to be taken
seriously if they all have such apparent biases, agendas and axes to
grind?

So, then, if Holocaust revisionism is an intellectually honest endevour,
where are the revisionists who aren't neo-Nazis or anti-Semites?

allan
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============================================
"The real purpose of Holocaust revisionism
is to make National Socialism an acceptable
political alternative again."
- some two-bit neo-Nazi
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Waldo

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Allan Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Gee, you'd think that after many months of posting this at least one
> revisionist who isn't a neo-Nazi or anti-Semite would have come forward
> and said "Here I am!"

"Holocaust Revisionists", "anti-Semites"? I guess it kind of goes with the
territory, Allan.

One need not be an "anti-Semite" to question some of the outlandish and
illogical claims surrounding the "Holocaust" story, but it doesn't take long
to develop an "anti-Semitic" bent when looking into the details. . .
especially if one ventures into the likes of this group, and is met with the
warm welcome offered by the pack of Jews and Shabbos Goy hyenas that inhabit
these parts.

> But, no. It appears that there just aren't any such revisionists
> around.

You won't find many Bunko detectives that aren't "anti-Fraud" either.

> Based on their past posting history, the few bozos who have bothered to
> claim that they aren't neo-Nazis or anti-Semites were, upon examination
> of their claims, found to be clearly lying.

Ever wonder if they haven't been "converted" with the help of your
ankle-gnawing pro-Semite rat pack?

> Of course, given the
> general behavior of revisionists, this lack of honesty isn't surprising
> in the least.

Are you insinuating that you and the "Snip, Squeal, Dodge and Subterfuge"
gang are HONEST?

(Waldo chuckles)

> However, just in case some revisionist 'scholars' have missed my
> question to date, here it is again:
>
> Where are the revisionists who aren't neo-Nazis or anti-Semites?

You mean "Jewish Holocaust revisionists" Allan. Get it straight.

You have no problem with anyone dissecting the relationship between
Eisenhower and McArthur regarding the Korean War.

You couldn't care less whether revisionists pick apart the details of the
Boer Wars, or the Spanish conquest of the Americas.

You and the Cockroach Clan are single minded in your efforts: To protect the
fabricated and "sanctified" image of Jewish suffering at the hands of the
Nazis during WWII, and to absolve Jews of any guilt regarding the atrocities
committed under Bolshevism and Communism.

There is much at stake, isn't there Allan?

If the general perception of the public were to change . . if people no
longer viewed Jews as the "poor, picked-on, innocent scapegoats" that they
have been portrayed to be . . . What would be the consequences?

Answer!

> It's a fair question. Afterall, how can revisionsists hope to be taken
> seriously if they all have such apparent biases, agendas and axes to
> grind?

Don't forget: You Jews provided the axe.

> So, then, if Holocaust revisionism is an intellectually honest endevour,
> where are the revisionists who aren't neo-Nazis or anti-Semites?

Clearly, you make no apologies for being anti-Nazi, please demonstrate that
there is something inherently "wrong" with being an "anti-Semite".


Waldo

Observer at Large


Philip Mathews

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>===== Original Message From "Waldo" <Wald...@hushmail.com> =====

>Allan Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:MPG.1586429dc...@news.ne.mediaone.net...
>> Gee, you'd think that after many months of posting this at least one
>> revisionist who isn't a neo-Nazi or anti-Semite would have come forward
>> and said "Here I am!"
>
>"Holocaust Revisionists", "anti-Semites"? I guess it kind of goes with the
>territory, Allan.

Yup, it comes with the territory. You're hardly going to deny your obvious
antisemitism are you?

>One need not be an "anti-Semite" to question some of the outlandish and
>illogical claims surrounding the "Holocaust" story,

No one said one did. What was observed was the very high correlation between
people making idiotic claims about the Holocaust and neo-Nazi/antisemitic
motivations. A simple reading of this newsgroup proves it every day. In your
case for instance the idiotic claim is "outlandish and illogical claims".
And
yet in your time here you've shown none of those. In the face of such
unsupported tripe, and given your obvious hatred of Jews, you fit the
pattern
quite well.

but it doesn't take long
>to develop an "anti-Semitic" bent when looking into the details. . .

Oh look, the antisemite blames someone else for making him so! Now we've
never
heard that before.


>especially if one ventures into the likes of this group, and is met with the
>warm welcome offered by the pack of Jews and Shabbos Goy hyenas that inhabit
>these parts.

Why should you get a warm welcome from anyone, you anonymous piece of shit?
Try walking into a neighborhood gathering and uttering the crap you say here
and see what kind of a welcom you get.

>> But, no. It appears that there just aren't any such revisionists
>> around.
>
>You won't find many Bunko detectives that aren't "anti-Fraud" either.

So you're a Jew detective? I suppose you think that actually meant
something.

>> Based on their past posting history, the few bozos who have bothered to
>> claim that they aren't neo-Nazis or anti-Semites were, upon examination
>> of their claims, found to be clearly lying.
>
>Ever wonder if they haven't been "converted" with the help of your
>ankle-gnawing pro-Semite rat pack?

Why should we wonder about bigots looking for an excuse for their bigotry.

>> Of course, given the
>> general behavior of revisionists, this lack of honesty isn't surprising
>> in the least.
>
>Are you insinuating that you and the "Snip, Squeal, Dodge and Subterfuge"
>gang are HONEST?

>(Waldo chuckles)
>
>> However, just in case some revisionist 'scholars' have missed my
>> question to date, here it is again:
>>
>> Where are the revisionists who aren't neo-Nazis or anti-Semites?
>
>You mean "Jewish Holocaust revisionists" Allan. Get it straight.

Getting it straight would mean "deniers of the Holocaust", most of whom are
neo-Nazis or antisemites.

>You have no problem with anyone dissecting the relationship between
>Eisenhower and McArthur regarding the Korean War.

Not analagous. We would have a problem with people saying there was no
Korean
War.

>You couldn't care less whether revisionists pick apart the details of the
>Boer Wars, or the Spanish conquest of the Americas.

But we would if someone denied there was a Boer War or Spanish conquest.


>You and the Cockroach Clan are single minded in your efforts: To protect the
>fabricated and "sanctified" image of Jewish suffering at the hands of the
>Nazis during WWII, and to absolve Jews of any guilt regarding the atrocities
>committed under Bolshevism and Communism.

See, you've proven why those examples are not analgous. You claim, without a
shred of evidence, that the Holocaust is fabricated, which is an entirely
different order of claim than that Eisenhower didn't get along with
MacArthur
during the Korean War. You then reveal that the true cause of your
"revisionism" is that the Holocaust involved Jews, who you then go on to
blame
for the sins of communism. I'd say you touched every base, Waldo old boy!

>There is much at stake, isn't there Allan?

Absolutely, like whether we can ever claim to know anything as proven as
long
as there are people willing to deny facts in the service of hatred.

>If the general perception of the public were to change . . if people no
>longer viewed Jews as the "poor, picked-on, innocent scapegoats" that they
>have been portrayed to be . . . What would be the consequences?
>
>Answer!

There you go, the Holocaust is not only fabricated, its the work of Jews who
now don't dare let the secret out because there would be bad consequences.
You're not even a very original Jew hater.

>> It's a fair question. Afterall, how can revisionsists hope to be taken
>> seriously if they all have such apparent biases, agendas and axes to
>> grind?
>
>Don't forget: You Jews provided the axe.

Bullshit, you grabbed the nearest weapon.

>> So, then, if Holocaust revisionism is an intellectually honest endevour,
>> where are the revisionists who aren't neo-Nazis or anti-Semites?
>
>Clearly, you make no apologies for being anti-Nazi, please demonstrate that
>there is something inherently "wrong" with being an "anti-Semite".

LOL!

Thanks for finally admitting the truth.

--
Philip Mathews

Daedra Morrighan

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Allan Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1586429dc...@news.ne.mediaone.net>...
> Gee, you'd think that after many months of posting this at least one
> revisionist who isn't a neo-Nazi or anti-Semite would have come forward
> and said "Here I am!"

I'm a revisionist (and not just regarding WWII), and certainly not a
neo-Nazi. Politically, I'm on the far left.

As for the "anti-Semite" label, I think it is time for you guys to
stop using outdated, inaccurate epithets to stifle debate.


>
> So, then, if Holocaust revisionism is an intellectually honest endevour,
> where are the revisionists who aren't neo-Nazis or anti-Semites?

If the Holocaust Industry were an intellectually honest endeavor, why
is it that revisionism is illegal in many countries?

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"Waldo" <Wald...@hushmail.com> wrote...

>>Clearly, you make no apologies for being anti-Nazi, please demonstrate that
>>there is something inherently "wrong" with being an "anti-Semite".

Because it's inherently wrong to be against all Arabs, Akkadians, Assyrians,
Canaanites, Carthaginians, Aramaeans and Phoenicians on the basis of their
ethnicity.

Unfortunately, Jewish racists continue to hate Semites for no justifiable
reason.

Philip Mathews

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>===== Original Message From Daedra Morrighan <nos...@newsranger.com> =====

>"Waldo" <Wald...@hushmail.com> wrote...
>>>Clearly, you make no apologies for being anti-Nazi, please demonstrate that
>>>there is something inherently "wrong" with being an "anti-Semite".
>
>Because it's inherently wrong to be against all Arabs, Akkadians, Assyrians,
>Canaanites, Carthaginians, Aramaeans and Phoenicians on the basis of their
>ethnicity.
>

Antisemitism has nothing to do with those people.

>Unfortunately, Jewish racists continue to hate Semites for no justifiable
>reason.

A canard used by Jew haters to pretend their despicable beliefs are someone
elses fault.

--
Philip Mathews

Daedra Morrighan

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In article <3B57...@MailAndNews.com>, Philip Mathews says...

>
>>===== Original Message From Daedra Morrighan <nos...@newsranger.com> =====
>>"Waldo" <Wald...@hushmail.com> wrote...
>>>>Clearly, you make no apologies for being anti-Nazi, please demonstrate that
>>>>there is something inherently "wrong" with being an "anti-Semite".
>>
>>Because it's inherently wrong to be against all Arabs, Akkadians, Assyrians,
>>Canaanites, Carthaginians, Aramaeans and Phoenicians on the basis of their
>>ethnicity.
>>
>
>Antisemitism has nothing to do with those people.

"Anti-Semitism," as it is currently defined, is an etymologically dishonest term
used principally to stifle debate. The continued misuse of the term is unfair to
the real Semites, who are often victims of Jewish racism and violence.

>
>>Unfortunately, Jewish racists continue to hate Semites for no justifiable
>>reason.
>
>A canard used by Jew haters to pretend their despicable beliefs are someone
>elses fault.

No, the "Holocaust" industry is a canard used by haters of the real Semites as
camouflage and propaganda.

Allan Matthews

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Jun 5, 2001, 3:46:16 PM6/5/01
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In article <f15bff00.01060...@posting.google.com>,
vang...@antisocial.com says...

> Allan Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1586429dc...@news.ne.mediaone.net>...
> > Gee, you'd think that after many months of posting this at least one
> > revisionist who isn't a neo-Nazi or anti-Semite would have come forward
> > and said "Here I am!"
>
> I'm a revisionist (and not just regarding WWII), and certainly not a
> neo-Nazi. Politically, I'm on the far left.

Yeah, well, you also say you're a girl when you're a boy, so what you
claim about yourself is not to be looked on as dependable.

Besides, we all know you hate Jews.



> As for the "anti-Semite" label, I think it is time for you guys to
> stop using outdated, inaccurate epithets to stifle debate.

Except that, in your case, it is anything but outdated or inaccurate.

And as for stifling debate, it would appear that being called an anti-
Semite certainly seems to encourage you to shoot off your shit-filled
mouth.

[rest of the usual anti-Semitic blather snipped & newsgroup spamming
corrected for]

allan
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allan_m...@bigfoot.com
============================================
"We'll finish the Holocaust,
which didn't happen"
- some neo-Nazi skinhead loser
============================================
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Maimonides Jafar

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"Daedra Morrighan" <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
news:MN9T6.975$SQ2....@www.newsranger.com...

> Because it's inherently wrong to be against all Arabs, Akkadians,
Assyrians,
> Canaanites, Carthaginians, Aramaeans and Phoenicians on the basis of their
> ethnicity.

> Unfortunately, Jewish racists continue to hate Semites for no justifiable
> reason. -- Daedra Morrighan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Vexing 'Jewish Question': A Nineteenth-Century [Jewish] Scholar's View
by Goldwin Smith (Oxford, England)

... Jews in the Roman Empire

That Christian fanaticism at all events was not the sole source of the
unpopularity of the Jews might have been inferred from the fact that the
relation was no better between the Jew and the heathen races during the
period of declining polytheism, when religious indifference prevailed and
beneath the vast dome of the Roman Empire the religions of many nations
slept and moldered side by side.

Gibbon, well qualified to speak, for he was himself a citizen of the Roman
Empire in sentiment, after narrating the massacres committed by the Jews on
the Gentiles in Africa and Cyprus, has expressed in flamboyant phrase the
hatred of the Roman world for the Jews, whom he designates as the
"implacable enemies, not only of the Roman government but of human kind."
(Edward Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Chap. xiv.)

Tacitus speaks of the Jews as enemies of all races but their own (adversus
omnes alios hostile odium, in Histories, V, v), and Juvenal, in a well-known
passage, speaks of them as people who would not show a wayfarer his road or
guide the thirsty to a spring if he were not of their own faith. Those who
maintain that there is nothing in the character, habits, or disposition of
the Jew to provoke antipathy have to bring the charge of fanatical prejudice
not only against the Russians or against Christendom, but against mankind.
...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Daedra Morrighan

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In article <MPG.15870121a...@news.ne.mediaone.net>, Allan Matthews
says...

>
>In article <f15bff00.01060...@posting.google.com>,
>vang...@antisocial.com says...
>> Allan Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1586429dc...@news.ne.mediaone.net>...
>> > Gee, you'd think that after many months of posting this at least one
>> > revisionist who isn't a neo-Nazi or anti-Semite would have come forward
>> > and said "Here I am!"
>>
>> I'm a revisionist (and not just regarding WWII), and certainly not a
>> neo-Nazi. Politically, I'm on the far left.
>
>Yeah, well, you also say you're a girl when you're a boy, so what you
>claim about yourself is not to be looked on as dependable.

Actually all progressive people consider transgendered women to be women. Ask
Susie Bright, Carol Queen, or even the Lesbian Avengers.

You are clearly filled with hatred against transgendered women. You make that
clear when you described me as "a boy." It is worth noting that your transphobic
bigotry is found a good deal on the political right, not the left.

Philip Mathews

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In >Message-id: <AoaT6.1022$SQ2....@www.newsranger.com>

>Daedra Morrighan nos...@newsranger.com wrote:


>In article <3B57...@MailAndNews.com>, Philip Mathews says...
>>
>>>===== Original Message From Daedra Morrighan <nos...@newsranger.com> =====
>>>"Waldo" <Wald...@hushmail.com> wrote...
>>>>>Clearly, you make no apologies for being anti-Nazi, please demonstrate
>that
>>>>>there is something inherently "wrong" with being an "anti-Semite".
>>>
>>>Because it's inherently wrong to be against all Arabs, Akkadians,
>Assyrians,
>>>Canaanites, Carthaginians, Aramaeans and Phoenicians on the basis of their
>>>ethnicity.
>>>
>>
>>Antisemitism has nothing to do with those people.
>
>"Anti-Semitism," as it is currently defined, is an etymologically dishonest
>term
>used principally to stifle debate.

No it isn't. It's a term originally coined by a Jews hater to describe his
hate. It describes people like you perfectly.

The continued misuse of the term is unfair
>to
>the real Semites, who are often victims of Jewish racism and violence.

It is not being misused and has nothing to do with Semites.

>>>Unfortunately, Jewish racists continue to hate Semites for no justifiable
>>>reason.

>>A canard used by Jew haters to pretend their despicable beliefs are someone
>>elses fault.

>No, the "Holocaust" industry is a canard used by haters of the real Semites
>as
>camouflage and propaganda.

How can an industry be a canard? Any industry built up around the proven
historical event has nothing to do with Semites, real or imagined.

Try to come up with something a little better than this, will ya.

--
Philip Mathews

"Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing
knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant
than would take even a little trouble to acquire it." Samuel Johnson

tim gueguen

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"Daedra Morrighan" <vang...@antisocial.com> wrote in message
news:f15bff00.01060...@posting.google.com...

> Allan Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:<MPG.1586429dc...@news.ne.mediaone.net>...
> > Gee, you'd think that after many months of posting this at least one
> > revisionist who isn't a neo-Nazi or anti-Semite would have come forward
> > and said "Here I am!"
>
> I'm a revisionist (and not just regarding WWII), and certainly not a
> neo-Nazi. Politically, I'm on the far left.
>
And yet you not only deny the Holocaust, which by its very nature is an
apologia for Nazism, you use racist terms such as kike.

tim gueguen 101867


Waldo

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Allan Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <f15bff00.01060...@posting.google.com>,
> vang...@antisocial.com says...
> > Allan Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:<MPG.1586429dc...@news.ne.mediaone.net>...
> > > Gee, you'd think that after many months of posting this at least one
> > > revisionist who isn't a neo-Nazi or anti-Semite would have come
forward
> > > and said "Here I am!"
> >
> > I'm a revisionist (and not just regarding WWII), and certainly not a
> > neo-Nazi. Politically, I'm on the far left.
>
> Yeah, well, you also say you're a girl when you're a boy, so what you
> claim about yourself is not to be looked on as dependable.
>
> Besides, we all know you hate Jews.
>
> > As for the "anti-Semite" label, I think it is time for you guys to
> > stop using outdated, inaccurate epithets to stifle debate.
>
> Except that, in your case, it is anything but outdated or inaccurate.
>
> And as for stifling debate, it would appear that being called an anti-
> Semite certainly seems to encourage you to shoot off your shit-filled
> mouth.
>
> [rest of the usual anti-Semitic blather snipped & newsgroup spamming
> corrected for]
>
> allan

Nice dodge, Allan. How about answering the KEY question, (which you
snipped):

"If the Holocaust Industry were an intellectually honest endeavor, why
is it that revisionism is illegal in many countries?"

Waldo

Observer at Large


Philip Mathews

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In >Message-id: <3b1d6115$0$2...@news.impulse.net>

>"Waldo" Wald...@hushmail.com wrote:

How about because Holocaust Denial is not an intellectually honest endeavor.

Revisionism, on the other hand, has no such problem.

jgarbuz

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Since nearly all of those peoples have killed JEws, we Jews have the right
to hate them. We
only like people who don't kill Jews, such as Hindus for example.


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jgarbuz

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Anti-semitism was the term coined by a German meaning dislike or hatred of
Jews. That was
at a time when there still weren't too many Arabs in Germany. Perhaps if
there had been
Arabs in Germany in those, days "judenhasse" might have been coined instead.


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jgarbuz

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All that you have demonstrated is that antisemitism is the oldest and most
persistent form
of racism that has ever existed, bar none. It also strongly reinforces the
need of a very strong
and united Jewish state impervious to attack, capable of striking back
decisively at any attacker.

Daedra Morrighan

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Jun 5, 2001, 7:42:32 PM6/5/01
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In article <3b1d6115$0$2...@news.impulse.net>, Waldo says...

I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you, Waldo. Unfortunately, he isn't likely
to give a meaningful answer to that -- ever.

He'll probably just go on about how you're "bigoted," "intolerant," ad nauseum,
ad infinitum.

But I'll say that an honest bigot is vastly better a person than a
*hypocritical* bigot like Allan Matthews.

Susan Cohen

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tim gueguen wrote:

> Braond Orr, trying to cover his bigotry with the victimhood of the truly
> transgendered by posting as "Daedra Morrighan" <vang...@antisocial.com>

Tim, this is the guy who says he's a woman, but never weears
women's clothing except for sex parties, doesn't have a woman's
name on his driver's license, birth certificate or social security card;
in fact, doesn't go by a woman's name anywhere but on Usenet;
& makes fun of other women's looks in exacty the same way a
male who hates women does.

He also admits to running a propaganda campaign against me,
but insists that he's a truthful person.

So don't expect any logic from him.

Susan

Daedra Morrighan

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In article <3B1DAE08...@hers.com>, Susan Cohen says...

>
>
>
>tim gueguen wrote:
>
>> Braond Orr, trying to cover his bigotry with the victimhood of the truly
>> transgendered by posting as "Daedra Morrighan" <vang...@antisocial.com>
>> wrote in message
>> news:f15bff00.01060...@posting.google.com...
>> > Allan Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:<MPG.1586429dc...@news.ne.mediaone.net>...
>> > > Gee, you'd think that after many months of posting this at least one
>> > > revisionist who isn't a neo-Nazi or anti-Semite would have come forward
>> > > and said "Here I am!"
>> >
>> > I'm a revisionist (and not just regarding WWII), and certainly not a
>> > neo-Nazi. Politically, I'm on the far left.
>> >
>> And yet you not only deny the Holocaust, which by its very nature is an
>> apologia for Nazism, you use racist terms such as kike.
>>
>> tim gueguen 101867
>
>Tim, this is the guy who says he's a woman, but never weears
>women's clothing except for sex parties, ........blah

Liar.

You're the bigot: you put all the blame on the Palestinians when you know well
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Brian Blank

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On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:45:20 -0700, "Waldo" <Wald...@hushmail.com>
wrote:

Firstly, revisionism is not illegal in many countries.
Secondly, do you consider that, for example, incitement to murder,
being illegal in most countries, is an intellectually honest endeavor?
>
>
>

Regards,

Brian Blank

Hugh Betcha

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Maimonides Jafar wrote:

> The Vexing 'Jewish Question': A Nineteenth-Century [Jewish] Scholar's View
> by Goldwin Smith (Oxford, England)

____________________________________________________________
The Associated Press
Zarqa, Jordan-

A Jordanian believed to be the Tel Aviv suicide bomber was
an observant Muslim who went to Israel for a better job,
his father said Sunday.

Saeed Hotary, 22, "was a devout Muslim who used to pray,
observed fasting and performed all his religious obligations
to the letter and spirit", his father Hassan said.

I am very happy and proud of what my son did, and I hope
all the men of Palestine and Jordan would do the same",
Hassan Hotary said with tears in his eyes.

He said his son was the suicide bomber who blew himself
up at the entrance of a Tel Aviv beachfront disco on
Friday night, killing 20 others and injuring at least
90-several of whom remained in critical condition.

Waldo

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Philip Mathews <pmat...@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message
news:3B55...@MailAndNews.com...

> >===== Original Message From "Waldo" <Wald...@hushmail.com> =====
> >Allan Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote in message
> >news:MPG.1586429dc...@news.ne.mediaone.net...

> >> Gee, you'd think that after many months of posting this at least one
> >> revisionist who isn't a neo-Nazi or anti-Semite would have come forward
> >> and said "Here I am!"
> >
> >"Holocaust Revisionists", "anti-Semites"? I guess it kind of goes with
the
> >territory, Allan.
>
> Yup, it comes with the territory. You're hardly going to deny your obvious
> antisemitism are you?

Why should I? Jews are much more than a religion, they are very powerful as
a political force, and as such are fair game for open and public criticism.
They work to twist and manipulate the structure of any society that
tolerates their presence to their favor - at the expense of their Gentile
hosts.

Semitism is bigoted, ethnocentric and anti-Gentile by nature. Anti-Semitism
is a perfectly natural reaction to Semitism.

The saliva of the parasitic Vampire Bat contains an anesthetic which is
useful in preventing the victim from perceiving that he is under attack,
thus allowing the bat to feed unmolested.

Jews go one step further - and have managed to so brainwash the Gentile
public that, should one dare to point out the machinations of the Jews, he
will be immediately set upon by both Jews and their brainwashed Gentile
defenders and branded as a heretic: a Nazi, a Fascist, an anti-Semite.

> >One need not be an "anti-Semite" to question some of the outlandish and
> >illogical claims surrounding the "Holocaust" story,
>
> No one said one did. What was observed was the very high correlation
between
> people making idiotic claims about the Holocaust and neo-Nazi/antisemitic
> motivations. A simple reading of this newsgroup proves it every day. In
your
> case for instance the idiotic claim is "outlandish and illogical claims".

Interesting. Have you noticed that those DENYING those claims tend to be
Jews, Zionists and their apologists?

I state that some of the claims surrounding the "Holocaust" story are
outlandish and illogical. You call my statement "idiotic".

Nice demonstration, Gentile hater.

> And
> yet in your time here you've shown none of those. In the face of such
> unsupported tripe, and given your obvious hatred of Jews, you fit the
> pattern
> quite well.

I've had several debates with *you* in which we've discussed numerous
spurious aspects of the "Holocaust" tale, (gassing, sacks of hair with
traces of HCN, etc.) and yet here you are DENYING that any such discussions
took place.

You're not only a Goy Hater, you're a lying Goy hater.

> but it doesn't take long
> >to develop an "anti-Semitic" bent when looking into the details. . .
>
> Oh look, the antisemite blames someone else for making him so! Now we've
> never
> heard that before.

Of course, Jews could NEVER be responsible for ANY animosity others might
hold toward them, could they Phillip? Throughout ALL the ages, ALL of the
pogroms, ALL of the stereotypes, ALL of the expulsions, and even the Holy
Holocaust itself, Jews were completely innocent of ANYTHING that might have
provoked or incited these incidents, RIGHT?

Gee. That's some BAD LUCK you Jews have had. I mean, we're talking lottery
odds in reverse here. If this be the case, there's only one possible
explanation: YOUR GOD IS VERY PISSED OFF AT YOU, and has been beating you
like a foul-mouthed red-headed step-child for THOUSANDS OF YEARS.

Did you do something to piss your god off, Philip?

> >especially if one ventures into the likes of this group, and is met with
the
> >warm welcome offered by the pack of Jews and Shabbos Goy hyenas that
inhabit
> >these parts.
>
> Why should you get a warm welcome from anyone, you anonymous piece of
shit?

It's not just me, Philip. It's anyone who doesn't demonstrate IMMEDIATE
allegiance to the United Jew Defenders of alt.revisionism. I've seen you
drive the innocent and curious away: You attack like a swarm of ravenous
piranhas.

> Try walking into a neighborhood gathering and uttering the crap you say
here
> and see what kind of a welcom you get.

Hemorrhoids, syphilis and Jews are all facts of life, but are rarely
mentioned in polite company.

> >> But, no. It appears that there just aren't any such revisionists
> >> around.
> >
> >You won't find many Bunko detectives that aren't "anti-Fraud" either.
>
> So you're a Jew detective? I suppose you think that actually meant
> something.

Yes. What it means is that *any* Gentile who bothers to pay attention to
what has been and *is* happening in the world, and the curious part that
Jews have played eventually begins to smell the stench. The more you dig,
the worse it stinks.

> >> Based on their past posting history, the few bozos who have bothered to
> >> claim that they aren't neo-Nazis or anti-Semites were, upon examination
> >> of their claims, found to be clearly lying.
> >
> >Ever wonder if they haven't been "converted" with the help of your
> >ankle-gnawing pro-Semite rat pack?
>
> Why should we wonder about bigots looking for an excuse for their bigotry.

I know why you're bigoted Philip: Bigotry is at the fundamental core of the
religion and culture of your tribe, your heritage that stretches back over
millennia. You've been raised with it, and fed on it like mothers milk.
Ethnocentric bigotry and the disdain of Gentiles is the glue that holds
Judaism together.

> >> Of course, given the
> >> general behavior of revisionists, this lack of honesty isn't surprising
> >> in the least.
> >
> >Are you insinuating that you and the "Snip, Squeal, Dodge and Subterfuge"
> >gang are HONEST?
>
> >(Waldo chuckles)
> >
> >> However, just in case some revisionist 'scholars' have missed my
> >> question to date, here it is again:
> >>
> >> Where are the revisionists who aren't neo-Nazis or anti-Semites?
> >
> >You mean "Jewish Holocaust revisionists" Allan. Get it straight.
>
> Getting it straight would mean "deniers of the Holocaust", most of whom
are
> neo-Nazis or antisemites.

Wrong, deceiver. You Jews and your Shabbos Goy defenders always try to spin
things as though anyone who you label as a "revisionist" outright denies
that the Jews suffered a horrible calamity during WWII. This is a LIE. What
is disputed is the magnitude, the methods and the motives of the calamity.

> >You have no problem with anyone dissecting the relationship between
> >Eisenhower and McArthur regarding the Korean War.
>
> Not analagous. We would have a problem with people saying there was no
> Korean
> War.

Lie. See above.

> >You couldn't care less whether revisionists pick apart the details of the
> >Boer Wars, or the Spanish conquest of the Americas.
>
> But we would if someone denied there was a Boer War or Spanish conquest.

More lies. See above, deceiver.

> >You and the Cockroach Clan are single minded in your efforts: To protect
the
> >fabricated and "sanctified" image of Jewish suffering at the hands of the
> >Nazis during WWII, and to absolve Jews of any guilt regarding the
atrocities
> >committed under Bolshevism and Communism.
>
> See, you've proven why those examples are not analgous. You claim, without
a
> shred of evidence, that the Holocaust is fabricated,

Another lie. I specifically said that the IMAGE was fabricated. Stop lying,
Pinocchio the stretching of your nose is making your glasses go out of
focus. Are you typing with your schnoz yet?

> which is an entirely
> different order of claim than that Eisenhower didn't get along with
> MacArthur
> during the Korean War.

Questioning the magnitude, method and motives under which Jews suffered
during WWII is ALSO an entirely different order of claim than your
accusation of denying that the so-called "Holocaust" ever happened. Show us
ONE noted revisionist, or ONE person who posts here regularly who"DENIES"
that the Jews suffered horribly under the Nazis during WWII. SHOW US.

(Attention Philip, you're in trouble here - time to SNIP!)

> You then reveal that the true cause of your
> "revisionism" is that the Holocaust involved Jews, who you then go on to
> blame
> for the sins of communism. I'd say you touched every base, Waldo old boy!

Both the "Holocaust" and the Jewish involvement in communism cry out for
historical review: The Holocaust story has grossly overstated the magnitude,
methods and motive of the Jews' suffering under the Nazis, and role of Jews
in the suffering and murder of tens of millions under Bolshevism/ Communism
has never been properly recognized.

But discussion of the "Holocaust" is off limits (and even ILLEGAL in some
countries), because we might "hurt Jewish feelings". And the role of
murderous Jews under Bolshevism/ Communism is off limits, because we fear
being labeled as anti-Semites.

In the mean time, Jews reap handsome benefits thanks to the "Holocaust"
tale, and walk away scott-free from their crimes under communism.

Aren't mass propaganda and political muscle cool, Philip?

> >There is much at stake, isn't there Allan?
>
> Absolutely, like whether we can ever claim to know anything as proven as
> long
> as there are people willing to deny facts in the service of hatred.

Yes. And it is the hatred of you and your tribe that is thwarting serious
inquiry that may resolve these issues, isn't it Philip?

> >If the general perception of the public were to change . . if people no
> >longer viewed Jews as the "poor, picked-on, innocent scapegoats" that
they
> >have been portrayed to be . . . What would be the consequences?
> >
> >Answer!
>
> There you go, the Holocaust is not only fabricated, its the work of Jews
who
> now don't dare let the secret out because there would be bad consequences.

Damn straight Philip. You pegged that one. Hit the nail on the head, you
did!

> You're not even a very original Jew hater.

You're right there. You, on the other hand can trace the lineage of your
hatred of the Goyim for 150+ generations! You're a VINTAGE Goy hater Philip!
A regular thoroughbred!

> >> It's a fair question. Afterall, how can revisionsists hope to be taken
> >> seriously if they all have such apparent biases, agendas and axes to
> >> grind?
> >
> >Don't forget: You Jews provided the axe.
>
> Bullshit, you grabbed the nearest weapon.

This is supposed to mean . . . what?

> >> So, then, if Holocaust revisionism is an intellectually honest
endevour,
> >> where are the revisionists who aren't neo-Nazis or anti-Semites?
> >

> >Clearly, you make no apologies for being anti-Nazi, please demonstrate
that
> >there is something inherently "wrong" with being an "anti-Semite".
>

> LOL!
>
> Thanks for finally admitting the truth.

I think we've made good headway here, don't you Philip?

Let's do this again tomorrow - same time. And don't forget to bring your
mommy! (This kind of therapy works best in a family setting.)


Waldo

Observer at Large


Philip Mathews

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>===== Original Message From "Waldo" <Wald...@hushmail.com> =====
>Philip Mathews <pmat...@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message
>news:3B55...@MailAndNews.com...
>> >===== Original Message From "Waldo" <Wald...@hushmail.com> =====
>> >Allan Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >news:MPG.1586429dc...@news.ne.mediaone.net...
>> >> Gee, you'd think that after many months of posting this at least one
>> >> revisionist who isn't a neo-Nazi or anti-Semite would have come forward
>> >> and said "Here I am!"
>> >
>> >"Holocaust Revisionists", "anti-Semites"? I guess it kind of goes with
>the
>> >territory, Allan.
>>
>> Yup, it comes with the territory. You're hardly going to deny your obvious
>> antisemitism are you?
>
>Why should I? Jews are much more than a religion, they are very powerful as
>a political force, and as such are fair game for open and public criticism.

Antisemtism is not mere criticism. It is a mindless animus directed to an
entire group of people. And it more often than not expresses itself in a
whole
host of lies about that group which belie the notion that it is based on
their
political power or views.

>They work to twist and manipulate the structure of any society that
>tolerates their presence to their favor - at the expense of their Gentile
>hosts.

Classic antisemitic crap.

>Semitism is bigoted, ethnocentric and anti-Gentile by nature. Anti-Semitism
>is a perfectly natural reaction to Semitism.

There is no such thing as semitism. There is nothing natural about
antisemitism; it is hateful, deceitful, and dangerous.


>The saliva of the parasitic Vampire Bat contains an anesthetic which is
>useful in preventing the victim from perceiving that he is under attack,
>thus allowing the bat to feed unmolested.

Ah, wrote for Geobbels I see.

>Jews go one step further - and have managed to so brainwash the Gentile
>public that, should one dare to point out the machinations of the Jews, he
>will be immediately set upon by both Jews and their brainwashed Gentile
>defenders and branded as a heretic: a Nazi, a Fascist, an anti-Semite.

In other words, you admit you're a tiny minority whose views are anathema to
decent people everywhere.


>> >One need not be an "anti-Semite" to question some of the outlandish and
>> >illogical claims surrounding the "Holocaust" story,
>>
>> No one said one did. What was observed was the very high correlation
>between
>> people making idiotic claims about the Holocaust and neo-Nazi/antisemitic
>> motivations. A simple reading of this newsgroup proves it every day. In
>your
>> case for instance the idiotic claim is "outlandish and illogical claims".
>
>Interesting. Have you noticed that those DENYING those claims tend to be
>Jews, Zionists and their apologists?

No, I notice that those denying those claims tend to be from all
backgrounds.
Those denying established historical fact hate Jews.

>I state that some of the claims surrounding the "Holocaust" story are
>outlandish and illogical. You call my statement "idiotic".
>
>Nice demonstration, Gentile hater.

Your inability to make an argument for your claim reveals its emptiness.

>> And
>> yet in your time here you've shown none of those. In the face of such
>> unsupported tripe, and given your obvious hatred of Jews, you fit the
>> pattern
>> quite well.
>
>I've had several debates with *you* in which we've discussed numerous
>spurious aspects of the "Holocaust" tale, (gassing, sacks of hair with
>traces of HCN, etc.) and yet here you are DENYING that any such discussions
>took place.

That fact that we've discussed them hardly makes them spurious. In fact,
your
best argument against gassing was that it would have been easier to
construct
sound proof shooting galleries than use gas chambers. Aside from the obvious
idiocy of that claim, it ignores the fact of gassing, as proven by the
evidence. The only thing supurious about that discussion was your argument.

>
>You're not only a Goy Hater, you're a lying Goy hater.

Well, that's a rather silly remark. Perhaps you'd like to present some
evidence for my hating "Goys". Absent such evidence it will be clear that
you're just attempting to create a specious "equivalency" argument with your
already admitted antisemitism.

>> but it doesn't take long
>> >to develop an "anti-Semitic" bent when looking into the details. . .
>>
>> Oh look, the antisemite blames someone else for making him so! Now we've
>> never
>> heard that before.
>
>Of course, Jews could NEVER be responsible for ANY animosity others might
>hold toward them, could they Phillip?

Precisely. How could an entire people, of different nationalities, different
political persuasions, different lifestyles be responsible for a hatefilled,
monolithic response to to their Jewishness?

>Throughout ALL the ages, ALL of the
>pogroms, ALL of the stereotypes, ALL of the expulsions, and even the Holy
>Holocaust itself, Jews were completely innocent of ANYTHING that might have
>provoked or incited these incidents, RIGHT?

Correct. There is no reason to assume that any one people are more likely to
offend than any other. Stereotyping and scapegoating, especially when it
enjoys the active involvement of the Church over centuries, becomes a
self-fulfilling and self-justifying belief system. No other group of people
have had to endure such abuse, and pointing to mistreatment as evidence of
its
justification is the excuse of the guilty.

>Gee. That's some BAD LUCK you Jews have had. I mean, we're talking lottery
>odds in reverse here. If this be the case, there's only one possible
>explanation: YOUR GOD IS VERY PISSED OFF AT YOU, and has been beating you
>like a foul-mouthed red-headed step-child for THOUSANDS OF YEARS.

I'm not Jewish.

And your childish outburst proves the point I'm making.

>Did you do something to piss your god off, Philip?
>
>> >especially if one ventures into the likes of this group, and is met with
>the
>> >warm welcome offered by the pack of Jews and Shabbos Goy hyenas that
>inhabit
>> >these parts.
>>
>> Why should you get a warm welcome from anyone, you anonymous piece of
>shit?
>
>It's not just me, Philip. It's anyone who doesn't demonstrate IMMEDIATE
>allegiance to the United Jew Defenders of alt.revisionism.

Nah, it just those who are mindless Jew haters such as yourself. You
represent
a tiny proportion of decent human beings, and you views are no longer
accepted
in decent company.

I've seen you
>drive the innocent and curious away: You attack like a swarm of ravenous
>piranhas.

Rubbish. The innocent and curious are by and large like most people. They
look
at you as a cancer on humanity, the embodiment of those uncontrolled
emotions
of hate that have been responsible the deaths of millions.


>
>> Try walking into a neighborhood gathering and uttering the crap you say
>here
>> and see what kind of a welcom you get.
>
>Hemorrhoids, syphilis and Jews are all facts of life, but are rarely
>mentioned in polite company.

Because you know you such a comparison would be odious to self respecting
people, so you spout it anonymously on usenet.

>> >> But, no. It appears that there just aren't any such revisionists
>> >> around.
>> >
>> >You won't find many Bunko detectives that aren't "anti-Fraud" either.
>>
>> So you're a Jew detective? I suppose you think that actually meant
>> something.
>
>Yes. What it means is that *any* Gentile who bothers to pay attention to
>what has been and *is* happening in the world, and the curious part that
>Jews have played eventually begins to smell the stench. The more you dig,
>the worse it stinks.

That's because the stench you smell is you. Try joining the human race.

>
>> >> Based on their past posting history, the few bozos who have bothered to
>> >> claim that they aren't neo-Nazis or anti-Semites were, upon examination
>> >> of their claims, found to be clearly lying.
>> >
>> >Ever wonder if they haven't been "converted" with the help of your
>> >ankle-gnawing pro-Semite rat pack?
>>
>> Why should we wonder about bigots looking for an excuse for their bigotry.
>
>I know why you're bigoted Philip:

Really. Then show my bigotry. You've admitted yours. Now you want to justify
it by claiming everyone else is too. You can't hide from your despicable
character that easily.

>Bigotry is at the fundamental core of the
>religion and culture of your tribe,

No it isn't.

your heritage that stretches back over
>millennia.

Who's heritage doesn't stretch back over millenia? Do you always resort to
just meaningless drivel when trying to justify your defects?

>You've been raised with it, and fed on it like mothers milk.
>Ethnocentric bigotry and the disdain of Gentiles is the glue that holds
>Judaism together.

No, bigotry and disdain is what motives you and your ilk. The fact that you
must express it anonymously shows you know you are beyond the pale.

>> >> Of course, given the
>> >> general behavior of revisionists, this lack of honesty isn't surprising
>> >> in the least.
>> >
>> >Are you insinuating that you and the "Snip, Squeal, Dodge and Subterfuge"
>> >gang are HONEST?
>>
>> >(Waldo chuckles)
>> >
>> >> However, just in case some revisionist 'scholars' have missed my
>> >> question to date, here it is again:
>> >>
>> >> Where are the revisionists who aren't neo-Nazis or anti-Semites?
>> >
>> >You mean "Jewish Holocaust revisionists" Allan. Get it straight.
>>
>> Getting it straight would mean "deniers of the Holocaust", most of whom
>are
>> neo-Nazis or antisemites.
>
>Wrong, deceiver. You Jews and your Shabbos Goy defenders always try to spin
>things as though anyone who you label as a "revisionist" outright denies
>that the Jews suffered a horrible calamity during WWII.

Nope, we maintain that deniers, such as yourself, deny the Holocaust. You
all
prove it every day.

This is a LIE. What
>is disputed is the magnitude, the methods and the motives of the calamity.

Then you deny the Holocaust.

>> >You have no problem with anyone dissecting the relationship between
>> >Eisenhower and McArthur regarding the Korean War.
>>
>> Not analagous. We would have a problem with people saying there was no
>> Korean
>> War.
>
>Lie. See above.

Your point is not analagous.


>
>> >You couldn't care less whether revisionists pick apart the details of the
>> >Boer Wars, or the Spanish conquest of the Americas.
>>
>> But we would if someone denied there was a Boer War or Spanish conquest.
>
>More lies. See above, deceiver.

LOL!


>
>> >You and the Cockroach Clan are single minded in your efforts: To protect
>the
>> >fabricated and "sanctified" image of Jewish suffering at the hands of the
>> >Nazis during WWII, and to absolve Jews of any guilt regarding the
>atrocities
>> >committed under Bolshevism and Communism.
>>
>> See, you've proven why those examples are not analgous. You claim, without
>a
>> shred of evidence, that the Holocaust is fabricated,
>
>Another lie. I specifically said that the IMAGE was fabricated.

Tell us the difference.

Stop lying,
>Pinocchio the stretching of your nose is making your glasses go out of
>focus. Are you typing with your schnoz yet?

>> which is an entirely
>> different order of claim than that Eisenhower didn't get along with
>> MacArthur
>> during the Korean War.
>
>Questioning the magnitude, method and motives under which Jews suffered
>during WWII is ALSO an entirely different order of claim than your
>accusation of denying that the so-called "Holocaust" ever happened.

No it isn't. Method, motive and magnitude are part of the definition. You
are
Holocaust Denier, who when pressed to defend his denial, offers arguments
like
your sound proof shooting galleries. In other words, you can't make a fact
based argument for your denial.

Show us
>ONE noted revisionist, or ONE person who posts here regularly who"DENIES"
>that the Jews suffered horribly under the Nazis during WWII. SHOW US.

Suffering horribly during WWII is not the definition of the Holocaust.


>
>(Attention Philip, you're in trouble here - time to SNIP!)
>
>> You then reveal that the true cause of your
>> "revisionism" is that the Holocaust involved Jews, who you then go on to
>> blame
>> for the sins of communism. I'd say you touched every base, Waldo old boy!
>
>Both the "Holocaust" and the Jewish involvement in communism cry out for
>historical review: The Holocaust story has grossly overstated the magnitude,
>methods and motive of the Jews' suffering under the Nazis, and role of Jews
>in the suffering and murder of tens of millions under Bolshevism/ Communism
>has never been properly recognized.

Not based on anything you or any other denier has been able to argue
intelligently. Why is that? Why is it that you waste all this time spewing
nonsense about Jews, and yet you can't make a coherent argument for the
overstatement of the magnitude, methods and motives of the Nazis?

>But discussion of the "Holocaust" is off limits (and even ILLEGAL in some
>countries),

Discussion of the Holocaust is not off limits in any country. "Stop lying,


Pinocchio the stretching of your nose is making your glasses go out of
focus. Are you typing with your schnoz yet?"

> because we might "hurt Jewish feelings". And the role of


>murderous Jews under Bolshevism/ Communism is off limits, because we fear
>being labeled as anti-Semites.

You do? That's news to me. And the discussion of Jews and communism goes on
here ad nauseum, with very little intelligence on the part of the Jew haters
who distort the issue.

>In the mean time, Jews reap handsome benefits thanks to the "Holocaust"
>tale, and walk away scott-free from their crimes under communism.

Jews and non Jews participated in communism. Mostly non Jews. The Jewish
participants no more got away with communism's crimes than their non Jewish
counterparts. One gets the impression your less concerned with the evil of
communism than with bashing Jews.

>Aren't mass propaganda and political muscle cool, Philip?
>
>> >There is much at stake, isn't there Allan?
>>
>> Absolutely, like whether we can ever claim to know anything as proven as
>> long
>> as there are people willing to deny facts in the service of hatred.
>
>Yes. And it is the hatred of you and your tribe that is thwarting serious
>inquiry that may resolve these issues, isn't it Philip?

I don't have a tribe. And you can't make a case that serious inquiry hasn't
been made. It must be very frustrating for you that you can only assert such
nonsense.

>> >If the general perception of the public were to change . . if people no
>> >longer viewed Jews as the "poor, picked-on, innocent scapegoats" that
>they
>> >have been portrayed to be . . . What would be the consequences?
>> >
>> >Answer!
>>
>> There you go, the Holocaust is not only fabricated, its the work of Jews
>who
>> now don't dare let the secret out because there would be bad consequences.
>
>Damn straight Philip. You pegged that one. Hit the nail on the head, you
>did!

I'm well acquainted with the cliches. A self respecting person would be
ashamed to utter them.


>
>> You're not even a very original Jew hater.
>
>You're right there. You, on the other hand can trace the lineage of your
>hatred of the Goyim for 150+ generations! You're a VINTAGE Goy hater Philip!
>A regular thoroughbred!
>
>> >> It's a fair question. Afterall, how can revisionsists hope to be taken
>> >> seriously if they all have such apparent biases, agendas and axes to
>> >> grind?
>> >
>> >Don't forget: You Jews provided the axe.
>>
>> Bullshit, you grabbed the nearest weapon.
>
>This is supposed to mean . . . what?
>
>> >> So, then, if Holocaust revisionism is an intellectually honest
>endevour,
>> >> where are the revisionists who aren't neo-Nazis or anti-Semites?
>> >
>> >Clearly, you make no apologies for being anti-Nazi, please demonstrate
>that
>> >there is something inherently "wrong" with being an "anti-Semite".
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> Thanks for finally admitting the truth.
>
>I think we've made good headway here, don't you Philip?
>
>Let's do this again tomorrow - same time. And don't forget to bring your
>mommy! (This kind of therapy works best in a family setting.)

--
Philip Mathews

Philip Mathews

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Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <3b1c9930$0$2...@news.impulse.net>, "Waldo" <Wald...@hushmail.com>
wrote:

> Allan Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1586429dc...@news.ne.mediaone.net...

> [...deletia...]

> > Based on their past posting history, the few bozos who have bothered to
> > claim that they aren't neo-Nazis or anti-Semites were, upon examination
> > of their claims, found to be clearly lying.
>
> Ever wonder if they haven't been "converted" with the help of your
> ankle-gnawing pro-Semite rat pack?

Grow up, little boy. You alone are responsible for your decision to hate.

JGB

================================================================== =====
Jeffrey G. Brown jg_b...@my-deja.com
For centuries, philosophers and theologians have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to choose. - "The Outer Limits: Feasibility Study", 1997

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <3b1d6115$0$2...@news.impulse.net>, "Waldo" <Wald...@hushmail.com>
wrote:

> "If the Holocaust Industry were an intellectually honest endeavor, why
> is it that revisionism is illegal in many countries?"

Cite the *specific* countries in which you claim that "revisionism is illegal".

Cite the *specific* text of the laws in those countries that say that
"revisionism is illegal".

We'll judge for ourselves whether you have the facts to back up your claims,
liar.

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <3b207ec0$0$2...@news.impulse.net>, "Waldo" <Wald...@hushmail.com>
wrote:

> But discussion of the "Holocaust" is off limits (and even ILLEGAL in some
> countries)

Cite a single country in which 'discussion of the "Holocaust"' is illegal, liar.
Supply the text of the law in that country that states that 'discussion of the
"Holocaust"' is illegal.

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <3b207ec0$0$2...@news.impulse.net>, "Waldo" <Wald...@hushmail.com>
wrote:

> In the mean time, Jews reap handsome benefits thanks to the "Holocaust"


> tale, and walk away scott-free from their crimes under communism.

Name the *specific* Jews who committed "crimes under communism", and are today
"reap[ing] handsome benefits".

Run away, liar.

Waldo

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