Jews: Are These Quotes True? (Very Serious Question)
Jeff Yale
"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans.
They are beasts."
Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b
"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor
the the dog more than the non-Jew."
Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30
"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human
form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore
he will be served by animals in human form."
Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855
"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal."
Coschen hamischpat 405
"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs."
Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b
"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they
compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human."
Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b
"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog."
Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b
"If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not
express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will
replace 'your loss', just as if one of his oxen or
asses had died"."
Jore dea 377, 1
"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between
animals."
Talmud Sanhedrin 74b
"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile."
Sepher ikkarim III c 25
"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians
belong to the denying ones of the Torah."
Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands."
Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b
"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing
the same as making a
sacrifice to God."
Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772
Ahti Eric Rovainen
More quotes from the Talmud (I don't know the exact verse numbers,
but those who have studied it could probably list them)...
"Jesus was the bastardized son of a Roman soldier and his mother Mary
was a whore."
"Any Gentile who studies the Talmud should be killed." (I suppose this
gives me justification to kill any Jew because it would be self-defense,
because Judea wants to kill me, a Gentile who has studied the Talmud)
Richard Schultz
Ahti Eric Rovainen (ah...@mail1.i1.net) wrote:
: More quotes from the Talmud (I don't know the exact verse numbers,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: . . . Judea wants to kill me, a Gentile who has studied the Talmud)
I have this feeling that he hasn't studied it very carefully, though. . .
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Daniel Keren
I will let Mike Stein answer these; however, previous
such "quotes" posted here invariable proved out to be
fakes, authored by antisemites. Usually, the source do
not even exist.
# Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
This one, for instance. "Coschen"? What is this
supposed to be? There is no such word in Hebrew.
# Jore dea 377, 1
Same here. This makes no sense. There's no such
word in Hebrew, and I cannot see how such a source
can exist.
-Danny Keren.
Fragano Ledgister
Ahti Eric Rovainen (ah...@mail1.i1.net) wrote:
: More quotes from the Talmud (I don't know the exact verse numbers,
Er, then how can we know they come from the Talmud if you can't
provide the proper citation?
How do we know you're not just lying?
: "Jesus was the bastardized son of a Roman soldier and his mother Mary
: was a whore."
Where in the Talmud is this found, who said it, and what is the
context?
: "Any Gentile who studies the Talmud should be killed." (I suppose this
: gives me justification to kill any Jew because it would be self-defense,
: because Judea wants to kill me, a Gentile who has studied the Talmud)
Source? Context?
Apparently, you haven't.
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Ahti Eric Rovainen
If the Talmud _doesn't_ have these awful quotes, then why to the Jews
keep it such a secret? The Bible has a lot of awful stuff, yet the
Christians don't hide it. The Koran doesn't condone killing everyone
who isn't Islam. The Talmud is a book of hate, plain and simple. Some
Jews try to hide behind "No such word exists in Hebrew" (the verse name
is Yiddish, that's why that word doesn't exist in Hebrew), or they try
to insert red herrings about the Torah, a much less offensive document.
If the Talmud didn't have the "Gentiles are goyim (cattle), put here by
G-d to be used and exploited by G-d's Chosen Jews..." type quotes, the
Jews could just release it (unmodified of course) and show the quotes
don't exist. Of course the truth is the Talmud is full of such quotes,
so the Jews have to hide it. The ugly Talmudic secrets are so bad, the
Jews even have to threaten Gentiles with death if they stumble across it!
("Any Goy who studies the Talmud should be killed...")
Richard Schultz
Ahti Eric Rovainen (ah...@mail1.i1.net) wrote:
: If the Talmud didn't have the "Gentiles are goyim (cattle), put here by
: G-d to be used and exploited by G-d's Chosen Jews..." type quotes, the
: Jews could just release it (unmodified of course) and show the quotes
: don't exist.
Well, actually, the Talmud is in fact readily available to anyone who
can read Aramaic; most university libraries will have a copy. In addition,
it has been translated into English at least once (parts of it more than
once), and these translations are also readily available in libraries.
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Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
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Richard J Green
In article <5fk38f$p...@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il>,
Richard Schultz <sch...@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il> wrote:
>Ahti Eric Rovainen (ah...@mail1.i1.net) wrote:
>
>: If the Talmud didn't have the "Gentiles are goyim (cattle), put here by
>: G-d to be used and exploited by G-d's Chosen Jews..." type quotes, the
>: Jews could just release it (unmodified of course) and show the quotes
>: don't exist.
>
>Well, actually, the Talmud is in fact readily available to anyone who
>can read Aramaic; most university libraries will have a copy. In addition,
>it has been translated into English at least once (parts of it more than
>once), and these translations are also readily available in libraries.
And despite that fact, most Jews haven't read it either.
Here is some information that may be helpful regarding some common
misinformation about the Talmud.
Regards,
Rich Green
<quote>
From schw...@infinet.com Wed Dec 18 13:49:56 PST 1996
As promised, I did some research. I contacted a Tamludic scholar and
college professor, someone who it seems is familiar with the quotes you
offered. Here is his reply:
"It seems that the quotations you asked about are the same ones
that appeared in a (forged) pamphlet called "facts are facts" that I had to
refute when I served as expert witness at the second Keegstra trial in 1992--he
was teaching that material in his infamous Eckville classroom. Most of the
quotes are blatantly fictitious and very easy to discount.
Yes, these are the same texts that were taught in Mr. Keegstra's
classes, and have long been circulated by various American antisemitic groups.
Most of them are garbled from a work by I.V. Pranaitis, a slimy turn-of-the
century Russian charlattan who served as an "expert witness" at the nototious
Mendel Beiliss blood libel where he was literally laughed out of court for his
displays of ignorance under cross-examination!
^ 1. "The teachings of the Talmud stand above all other laws. They are
^ more important than the laws of Moses."-
^ -Rabbi Ismael, Rabbi Chambar, et. al.
The passage as quoted is clearly spurious. Rabbi Ishmael lived far too early to
be saying anything about the Talmud (which was not compiled until centuries
afterwards), and there is nobody with a name that sounds remotely like Rabbi
"Chambar."
There are some statements that speak of the teachings of the sages as being
"more beloved" before God than those of the Torah (because of their human
component), or requiring more strengthening (i.e., additional stringencies lest
people treat them lightly). I am not aware of any statement that formulates it
as in the passage.
^ 2. "The Jews are human beings , but the nations of the world are not human
beings but ^ beasts."-
^ -Baba Mecia 114, 6 [i.e.: 114b].
Apparently a deliberate mistranslation. The passage deals with the technical
rules of corpse-impurity which, according to the author of this text, apply to
Jews and not to gentiles. In this connection Ezekiel 34:31 is cited: "And ye My
sheep [referring to Israel], the sheep of My pasture, are _men [Hebrew:
"adam"]_, and I am your God, saith the Lord God." From a careful midrashic
reading of this Biblical verse, Rabbi Simeon ben Yohai deduced "Only "ye" [i.e.,
Israel, not other nations] are designated "adam," in the sense that only Jewish
corpses and graves generate impurity according to Numbers 19:14: "This is the
law: when a _man ['adam']_ dieth in a tent, every one that cometh into the
tent...shall be unclean seven days..." The passage is legal and exegetical, not
theological. If anything, it seems to put Jews on a lower footing than non-Jews.
Typically, the words "but beasts" were added on by whoever put this list
together. They do not appear in the original.
^ 3. "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would
^ not have to be served by beasts.
^ The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and commanded
^ to serve the Jew day and night."-
^ -Midrasch Talpioth, p225-L.
I was unable to check this reference in my extensive Judaica library. The book
"Midrash Talpiyyot" is appparently an obscure eighteenth-century Kabbalistic
work that is little known and carries no authority whatsoever. Even if the
citation were correct (which seems doubtful in light of the other examples on
this list, and the fact that Jews never employ the designation "Jehovah"), it is
hard to imagine what could be proven from it about Judaism or the Talmud.
^ 4. "At the time of the Cholhamoed the transaction of any kind of
^ business is forbidden. But it is permitted
^ to cheat a goy, because cheating of goyim at any time pleases the
^ Lord."-
^ -Chulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim 539.
Nothing of the sort is found there. The passage deals with various types of
business transactions that are forbidden or permissible on the "intermediate
days" of festivals. Some of the references are to transactions with gentiles
(who are not bound by the prohibitions); e.g., it is permitted to collect a debt
>from a gentile on the half-holidays. Nowhere does it say anything about
cheating.
^ 5. "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."-
^ -Aboda Sarah 37a.
Apparently a deliberate misquote. The observation is a technical, physiological
one, regarding the impurities related to genital "flows" as outlined in
Leviticus chapter 15. The Talmudic source argues that since the tearing of the
hymen at that age would be permanent (as distinct from a younger girl whose
hymen the rabbis believed would grow back), she is considered to have reached a
state of physical development that her discharges would be included under the
category of impure flows according to the Biblical purity laws. (The same rule,
by the way, would apply to a Jewish girl). This is of course not a permission to
"violate" the girl, merely a legal definition of her age.
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By the way, I should note that not all the citations pulled out by our neo-Nazi
friends are as easy to refute as this one. The Talmudic Rabbis, and some of
their medieval successors, were creatures of their non-pluralistic times, and
the Talmud said some really nasty things about their Roman occupiers--generally
these were the "gentiles" referred to in ancient sources, depicted as utterly
depraved heathens (a characterization that is not completely off the mark, if
one reads Suetonius, Petronius and other contemporaries).
Several of their citations (including one in your collection) are designed to
show that Judaism is not based entirely on the Old Testament --an accusation
that traditional Jews would gladly confess to, but which constitutes a damning
flaw in the eyes of fundamentalist Christians.
Similarly, there are are some anti-Christian polemics in talmudic literature,
which is of course their right, but which the Christian consider blasphemous.
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Jim:
I hope this answers some of your questions. It seems that your "source" for
the statements you posted are in error, at least in the opinion of this
particular scholar and some of the other respondants from alt.revisionism.
Sara
Here is some additional information for you:
"The standard forms of Judaism (other than the Karaite movement mentioned
in the passage) do not rely solely on the authority of the "written Torah"
(i.e., the Biblical Books of Moses), but believe that the Bible is also
supplemented and interpreted by the "Oral Torah" transmitted over the
generations. The nature of this Oral Torah is somewhat complex, but
traditional Jews will claim that its origins go back to the original
revelation to Moses at Mount Sinai. It also includes intepretations and
enactments by Jewish sages over the generations.
It is through the oral tradition, especially as embodied in the Babylonian
Talmud, that Jews understand the correct meaning of the written Torah--the
comparison to Catholicism is quite valid. For the most part, Jews have
studied the Bible through the interpretations of the Talmud, and for that
reason the Talmud has been central to the curriculum of Rabbinic training.
Because of its extreme difficulty (it consists largely of complex debates
on technical issues of Jewish law), mastery the Talmud has often been
viewed as a higher level of intellectual accomplishment than mastery of the
Bible. Ordination of Rabbis is defined by the individual's expertise in the
Talmud and related literature.
Accordingly, it is not considered sufficient for Orthodox Jews to follow
the Bible alone. The Karaites are pleased to live with that situation, and
exist as a separate movement. The Ethiopians have mostly opted to join the
Jewish mainstream, a fact which has put their teachers at a disadvantage
vis a vis the Israeli religious establishment--at least for the current
generation. In Israel at the moment, Orthodox Judaism is the only form of
Judaism that has full recognition in the legal system (due to coalition
politics).
The New Testament is ambivalent on the whole question of the Oral
Tradition. While Jesus clearly criticizes the "man-made" rules of the
Pharisees, he elsewhere instructs his followers to obey the Pharisees,
since they occupy the "seat of Moses." Several important Christian
institutions (e.g., the identification of the two greatest commandments,
belief in bodily resurrection and the symbolism of Pentecost as a day of
revelation) seem to presuppose Jewish oral interpretation. I don't think
there is anything earthshaking in the claim that Judaism and Christianity
are at odds on key issues.
"Goyim" literally refers to the "nations." In the Bible that includes
Israel, but in Rabbinic works it designates the other nations of the world.
Of course during Talmudic times the nations in question were the ones that
Jews came in contact with, principally the Romans--there were no other
monotheistic peoples around then, and the Romans, the "kingdom of evil,"
were despised for their cruelty, lewdness and immorality--similar views are
found in Paul and in Revelation, and the accusations have some historical
basis. Gentile Christians were not very well known at the time that the
Talmud was redacted, and Jewish Christians are mentioned surprisingly
rarely, as an internal heresy. They are referred to as "Minim" though the
term encompassed several "heretical" views, especially dualists and
gnostics. Medieval Jewish law for the most part did not understand these
statements as applying to the monotheistic religions."
The Talmud is a mixed bag. It is a collection of many contradictory
opinions, and not everything in it has been accepted as valid by posterity.
--
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the
Christian religion."
George Washington, 1796
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Yale F. Edeiken
> ah...@mail1.i1.net (Ahti Eric Rovainen) writes:
> If the Talmud _doesn't_ have these awful quotes, then why to the Jews
> keep it such a secret?
The Talmud is available at the major bookstores in my area; in fact the
Steinsaltz Edition (an Enlgish translation) is published by Random House. Many
major libraries have copies. I realize that such precincts are as foreign to most
"revisionists" as an abattoir woulbe be to a vegetarian but there are other
sources. The Soncino translation of the Talmud is available on CD-ROM. You
can find for $299.00 at http://www.jewishsource.com. They will even sell you
the complete Soncino Talmud, Zohar, and Midrash Rabbah for $589.00 (enjoy!).
They also have a good book: "Everyman's Talmud" by Abraham Cohen for
$18.00.
Such a secret!
The Bible has a lot of awful stuff, yet the
> Christians don't hide it. The Koran doesn't condone killing everyone
> who isn't Islam. The Talmud is a book of hate, plain and simple.
An opinion from a person who, by his own admission, cannot find a
copy of the Talmud and has never studied it.
> Some
> Jews try to hide behind "No such word exists in Hebrew" (the verse name
> is Yiddish, that's why that word doesn't exist in Hebrew)
The expert, who has not seen the Talmud, speaks again. The Talmud
was written in Hebrew and Aramaic more than a millenium before Yiddish was
developed. Most of the commentaries were written before Yiddish was
developed and the most highly regarded of Talmud commentators did not speak
Yiddish. Nor does the Talmud have "verses."
Such an expert!
> or they try
> to insert red herrings about the Torah, a much less offensive document.
Apparently the expert (By osmosis, since he has never neem able to
locate a copy of the Talmud) does not realize that most of the Talmud is debates
about Torah.
> If the Talmud didn't have the "Gentiles are goyim (cattle), put here by
> G-d to be used and exploited by G-d's Chosen Jews..." type quotes, the
> Jews could just release it (unmodified of course) and show the quotes
> don't exist.
Two editions of the Babylonian Talmud in English are available. A
good tranlation of the Jerusalem Talmud is partially complete. Why don;t you
consult them.
> Of course the truth is the Talmud is full of such quotes,
> so the Jews have to hide it.
The Talmud is kept secret secret by hiding it in such places as:
1. bookstores
2. libraries
3. the Internet
Those wascally Joos! How devilishly clever of them! (Am I the only
one that remembers the "revisionist" who complained that he couldn't find a copy
at Wal-Mart?)
> The ugly Talmudic secrets are so bad, the
> Jews even have to threaten Gentiles with death if they stumble across it!
> ("Any Goy who studies the Talmud should be killed...")
An odd thing. When I have a question about the Talmud, I call a
Jesuit priest I know in New York. He has a doctorate in Talmud studies from
Yeshiva University (for obvious reasons, they would not grant him smicha when
he graduated).
Hillel, after he gave a one sentence explanation of Judiasm, told the
inquirer: "The rest is commentary. Go and study." I suggest you do the same
before you make an ass of yourself in public again.
--YFE
Sara aka Perrrfect
In article <01bc2867$fcaefc00$ad84...@rcentral.ix.netcom.com>, "Jeff Yale"
<rcen...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
[ a whole lot of anti-Semitic bullshit fake Talmud quotes deleted]
Ho hum... this is such old stuff. It's been disproved and discounted
thousands of times.
How long do you really think the "Big Lie" will work?
It didn't work for Adolf.
Sara
--
"Crawl back in your hole and stay there. We'll make sure the Net is safe
for you to breed your contempt in other places. Just don't try it here."
Brock Meeks, in a public note to Neo-Nazi Ernst Zundel, quoted in
Internet Workd magazine, 3/97
Philip Morris McTavish
Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
> The Talmud is available at the major bookstores in my area; in fact the
> Steinsaltz Edition (an Enlgish translation) is published by Random House. Many
> major libraries have copies. I realize that such precincts are as foreign to most
> "revisionists" as an abattoir woulbe be to a vegetarian but there are other
> sources. The Soncino translation of the Talmud is available on CD-ROM. You
> can find for $299.00 at http://www.jewishsource.com. They will even sell you
> the complete Soncino Talmud, Zohar, and Midrash Rabbah for $589.00 (enjoy!).
> They also have a good book: "Everyman's Talmud" by Abraham Cohen for
> $18.00.
Who wants to enrichen the Pharisees? You can get a good King James Bible
or Living English Bible for less than $10.00!
> Such a secret!
> Hillel, after he gave a one sentence explanation of Judiasm, told the
> inquirer: "The rest is commentary. Go and study." I suggest you do the same
> before you make an ass of yourself in public again.
If Ahti is Christian then he knows Jesus' command to saty away from the
teachings of the Pahrisees! Matthew 16: 11,12 Rather why enrichen a
system of teaching that Jesus and all of his Apostles condemned and\or
abandoned? My best advice: Ahti save your money for better things!
P.M. McTavish
>
> --YFE
Ahti Eric Rovainen
Philip Morris McTavish (tav...@phoenix.net) wrote:
: Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
: >
:
: > The Talmud is available at the major bookstores in my area; in fact the
: > Steinsaltz Edition (an Enlgish translation) is published by Random House. Many
: > major libraries have copies. I realize that such precincts are as foreign to most
: > "revisionists" as an abattoir woulbe be to a vegetarian but there are other
: > sources. The Soncino translation of the Talmud is available on CD-ROM. You
: > can find for $299.00 at http://www.jewishsource.com. They will even sell you
: > the complete Soncino Talmud, Zohar, and Midrash Rabbah for $589.00 (enjoy!).
: > They also have a good book: "Everyman's Talmud" by Abraham Cohen for
: > $18.00.
: Who wants to enrichen the Pharisees? You can get a good King James Bible
: or Living English Bible for less than $10.00!
Of course the Jews would figure out a way to profit from the Talmud, by
charging the "goyim schmucks" almost $600 to read an abridged version of
their book of hate. OTOH, good nonmaterialistic Xtians often spread the
word at little or no cost. Plus the Jews probably sell it as a "non profit
religious institution" (like kosher food), without paying any taxes.
When Bible-thumping "Christians" twist Biblical quotes as a rationalization
for bigotry, pedophilia, adultry, theft, and other sins, their critics
aren't accused of hating all Xtians. Yet when Jews use Talmudic quotes
(authentic or convoluted) as rationalization to commit crimes, rip people
off, and other crimes, the twisted quotes BY JEWS are called the work of
"anti-Semites", and exposure of Talmudic hate is used by the Jews as "proof
of vast anti-Semitism against all Jews". Yet another Jewish double standard.
I'm not giving one red cent to the Jews to give them another excuse to
try to kill me! (remember the Talmudic line about how any Gentile who
studies the Talmud should be killed!)
__
How odd
of God
to choose
the Jews!
Jenn Starkman
In article <5fhkhv$5gs$2...@news1.i1.net>,
ah...@mail1.i1.net (Ahti Eric Rovainen) wrote:
What do you mean by true? Do you mean is there any truth to what is said in
them, or are you asking if it is true that they appear in the Talmud.
>More quotes from the Talmud (I don't know the exact verse numbers,
>but those who have studied it could probably list them)...
Probably not. It's not exactly a given that people will memorize 18+ volumes
of recorded debate to the point of knowing the verse numbers of any given
quote, now is it?
>"Jesus was the bastardized son of a Roman soldier and his mother Mary
>was a whore."
>
>"Any Gentile who studies the Talmud should be killed." (I suppose this
>gives me justification to kill any Jew because it would be self-defense,
>because Judea wants to kill me, a Gentile who has studied the Talmud)
Whether these quotes appear in the Talmud is irrelevant. The Talmud is not a
book of stories like the Bible. It is a series of recorded debates between
scholars which took place over many years. *ALL SIDES OF EACH DEBATE ARE
RECORDED* for contextual reasons. There are many things in the Talmud which
not only are not a part of Judaism, but are actually abhorrent to the religion
and its followers--they appear in the Talmud, however, to keep it contextually
accurate and provide all sides of each argument.
Your question as it stands is therefore irrelevant.
Jenn
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in order to protect those servers from the mailbombing which I
have been subjected to recently. Anybody who would like to contact
me via e-mail should leave a message on alt.skinheads to that effect,
and I will send you my new e-mail address.
Yale F. Edeiken
> : Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> : > The Talmud is available at the major bookstores in my area; in fact the
> : > Steinsaltz Edition (an Enlgish translation) is published by Random House.
Many
> : > major libraries have copies. I realize that such precincts are as foreign to
most
> : > "revisionists" as an abattoir woulbe be to a vegetarian but there are other
> : > sources. The Soncino translation of the Talmud is available on CD-ROM.
You
> : > can find for $299.00 at http://www.jewishsource.com. They will even sell
you
> : > the complete Soncino Talmud, Zohar, and Midrash Rabbah for $589.00
(enjoy!).
> : > They also have a good book: "Everyman's Talmud" by Abraham Cohen for
> : > $18.00.
> : Who wants to enrichen the Pharisees? You can get a good King James Bible
> : or Living English Bible for less than $10.00!
> Of course the Jews would figure out a way to profit from the Talmud, by
> charging the "goyim schmucks" almost $600 to read an abridged version of
> their book of hate.
Apparently you are unable to engage in a civilized dialogue. You
claimed that the Talmud was being kept hidden. When it was pointed out to you
that is was available at libraries and bookstores (two places you apparently do not
habituate) and where it could easily be purchased you respond with your typical
antio-Semitic crappola.
> When Bible-thumping "Christians" twist Biblical quotes as a rationalization
> for bigotry, pedophilia, adultry, theft, and other sins, their critics
> aren't accused of hating all Xtians. Yet when Jews use Talmudic quotes
> (authentic or convoluted) as rationalization to commit crimes, rip people
> off, and other crimes, the twisted quotes BY JEWS are called the work of
> "anti-Semites", and exposure of Talmudic hate is used by the Jews as "proof
> of vast anti-Semitism against all Jews". Yet another Jewish double standard.
It should be your "expose" was a pack of lies from beginning to end
based upon your bigotry and your ignorance.
> I'm not giving one red cent to the Jews to give them another excuse to
> try to kill me!
Then, schmuck, read it at a library.
> (remember the Talmudic line about how any Gentile who
> studies the Talmud should be killed!)
No I don't remember that line. Nor do you. You have, by your own
admission, never even seen a set of the Talmud. Moreover you conveniently
omit the fact that you were referred to a Jesuit priest who is as expert in the
Talmud as any rabbi. Not only did the Jews with which he studied not kill him for
studying the Talmud but his Talmud partners frequently attended his masses.
Face it, jerk, you hate Jews. You have no reason for this hate but you
are willing to lie and slander others to justify it.
--YFE
Yale F. Edeiken
> > The Talmud is available at the major bookstores in my area; in fact the
> > Steinsaltz Edition (an Enlgish translation) is published by Random House.
Many
> > major libraries have copies. I realize that such precincts are as foreign to most
> > "revisionists" as an abattoir woulbe be to a vegetarian but there are other
> > sources. The Soncino translation of the Talmud is available on CD-ROM.
You
> > can find for $299.00 at http://www.jewishsource.com. They will even sell you
> > the complete Soncino Talmud, Zohar, and Midrash Rabbah for $589.00
(enjoy!).
> > They also have a good book: "Everyman's Talmud" by Abraham Cohen for
> > $18.00.
> Who wants to enrichen the Pharisees? You can get a good King James Bible
> or Living English Bible for less than $10.00!
> > Such a secret!
Please note that what the "Tavish"-Phelps jerks did was delete the
subject to which this answer was written. Ahti stated the Talmud was a deep, dark
secret concealed by those wascally Jooos. I pointed out where it was available
and and what price.
> > Hillel, after he gave a one sentence explanation of Judiasm, told the
> > inquirer: "The rest is commentary. Go and study." I suggest you do the same
> > before you make an ass of yourself in public again.
> If Ahti is Christian then he knows Jesus' command to saty away from the
> teachings of the Pahrisees! Matthew 16: 11,12 Rather why enrichen a
> system of teaching that Jesus and all of his Apostles condemned and\or
> abandoned? My best advice: Ahti save your money for better things!
Who cares what you think. Read whatever literature you want. But
why you and Ahti insist upon lying about what you not only have not read but,
according to your advice, do not even intend to read is only a demonstration of
your rabid anti-Semitism.
Why don't you go back to that which you do best: standing in front of
synagogues and yelling obscenities at those exercising their First Amendment right
to worship as they please.
--YFE
Allan Matthews
In article <5fo0mh$6...@news.enter.net>, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
wrote in response to one of the myriad Tavishes:
> Why don't you go back to that which you do best: standing in front of
>synagogues and yelling obscenities at those exercising their First Amendment
> right to worship as they please.
obviously missed something somewhere along the way. What is the basis for
this accusation? (not that it surprises me any - "Doc" is obviously
pathological about them damn Joos)
allan
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Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
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Jenn Starkman
In article <5fmo6p$oq6$1...@news1.i1.net>,
>: >
>:
>: > The Talmud is available at the major bookstores in my area; in
>: > fact the Steinsaltz Edition (an Enlgish translation) is published by
>: > Random House. Many major libraries have copies. I realize that such
>: > precincts are as foreign to most "revisionists" as an abattoir woulbe be
>: > to a vegetarian but there are other sources. The Soncino translation of
>: > the Talmud is available on CD-ROM. You can find for $299.00 at
>: > http://www.jewishsource.com. They will even sell you the complete
>: > Soncino Talmud, Zohar, and Midrash Rabbah for $589.00 (enjoy!).
>: > They also have a good book: "Everyman's Talmud" by Abraham Cohen for
>: > $18.00.
>
I'm sorry, I think I must be misunderstanding you. Do you mean to say that
Christians do not profit when they sell copies of *their* holy books? Do you
mean to say that Muslims do not profit when they sell copies of *their* holy
books?
>by charging the "goyim schmucks" almost $600 to read an abridged version of
>their book of hate.
First off, it's not very nice to refer to your brethren as "a nation of
penises".
Secondly, who said anything about abridged?
And finally, do you have any grounds to believe that Jews pay any less than
anyone else for a copy of the Soncino Talmud, Zohar, and Midrash Rabbah on
CD-ROM?
>OTOH, good nonmaterialistic Xtians often spread the word at little or no
>cost.
They sell sets of religious books which are 18+ volumes long for little or no
cost? I find that hard to believe. You did realize that the Talmud was at
least 18 volumes long, not including the other two texts offered on the
particular CD-ROM you were referring to, didn't you?
>Plus the Jews probably sell it as a "non profit
>religious institution" (like kosher food), without paying any taxes.
What the heck are you talking about? Kosher food isn't even necessarily
*produced* by Jews, never mind sold by them. And what sort of taxes *should*
one pay on food whose preparation has been held to certain standards (mostly
to do with cleanliness)?
>When Bible-thumping "Christians" twist Biblical quotes as a rationalization
>for bigotry, pedophilia, adultry, theft, and other sins, their critics
>aren't accused of hating all Xtians. Yet when Jews use Talmudic quotes
>(authentic or convoluted) as rationalization to commit crimes, rip people
>off, and other crimes, the twisted quotes BY JEWS are called the work of
>"anti-Semites", and exposure of Talmudic hate is used by the Jews as "proof
>of vast anti-Semitism against all Jews". Yet another Jewish double standard.
What Jew has used a Talmudic quote (authentic or convoluted) as
rationalization to commit crimes, and when?
What Jew has used a Talmudic quote (authentic or convoluted) as
rationalization to rip people off, and when?
When and where have Talmudic quotes made by Jews been called the work of
"anti-Semites"?
When and where has "exposure of Talmudic" hate been used by the Jews as "proof
of vast anti-Semitism against all Jews", or even as anything besides an excuse
to point out that the Talmud is not a book of stories like the Bible, that it
is a series of recorded debates between scholars which took place over many
years, that *ALL SIDES OF EACH DEBATE ARE RECORDED* for contextual reasons,
and that there are many things in the Talmud which not only are not a part of
Judaism, but are actually abhorrent to the religion and its followers,
which appear in the Talmud, however, to keep it contextually accurate and
provide all sides of each argument?
Bruce Wayne McTavish
Allan Matthews wrote:
>
> In article <5fo0mh$6...@news.enter.net>, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
> wrote in response to one of the myriad Tavishes:
> > Why don't you go back to that which you do best: standing in front of
> >synagogues and yelling obscenities at those exercising their First Amendment
> > right to worship as they please.
>
> This is the second reference I've seen of late to "tavish" doing this. I've
> obviously missed something somewhere along the way. What is the basis for
> this accusation? (not that it surprises me any - "Doc" is obviously
> pathological about them damn Joos)
>
> allan
I am with Allan on this one! I haven't seen any other references myself
to yelling obscenities in front of synagogues. I have also missed
something along the way. I am pathological about Joos because of all
their subterfuge. I do not refer to all, just to the 2\3rds or so that
have Marxist ideals as Lucy Dawidowicz documented in her book- The War
Against the Jews.
B.W. McTavish
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <33203B...@phoenix.net>, Scott Bradbury
(tav...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>I have also missed something along the way.
No kidding...
>I am pathological about Joos...
No kidding again...
JGB
=====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@pol.com
"What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
Gord McFee
In message <5fnutf$inn$1...@lator.cybercom.net> - amat...@cybercom.net
(Allan Matthews) writes:
:>
:>In article <5fo0mh$6...@news.enter.net>, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
:>> Why don't you go back to that which you do best: standing in front of
:>>synagogues and yelling obscenities at those exercising their First Amendment
:>> right to worship as they please.
:>
:>This is the second reference I've seen of late to "tavish" doing this. I've
:>obviously missed something somewhere along the way. What is the basis for
:>this accusation? (not that it surprises me any - "Doc" is obviously
:>pathological about them damn Joos)
Old Doc could clear that up in a second if they had the courage to admit
their real names.
But basically, Yale is right.
--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time
Gord McFee
In message <5fpr9s$n...@freenet-news.carleton.ca> -
bb...@freenet.carleton.ca (Jenn Starkman) writes:
:>
:>In article <5fmo6p$oq6$1...@news1.i1.net>,
:> ah...@mail1.i1.net (Ahti Eric Rovainen) wrote:
:>I'm sorry, I think I must be misunderstanding you. Do you mean to say that
:>Christians do not profit when they sell copies of *their* holy books? Do you
:>mean to say that Muslims do not profit when they sell copies of *their* holy
:>books?
:>
:>>by charging the "goyim schmucks" almost $600 to read an abridged version of
:>>their book of hate.
:>
:>First off, it's not very nice to refer to your brethren as "a nation of
:>penises".
ROTFL!
On second thought though, he may have been right, Jenn.
Yale F. Edeiken
> the "Tavish"-Phelps crowd tries to fool you:
> Allan Matthews wrote:
> > This is the second reference I've seen of late to "tavish" doing this. I've
> > obviously missed something somewhere along the way. What is the basis for
> > this accusation? (not that it surprises me any - "Doc" is obviously
> > pathological about them damn Joos)
> I am with Allan on this one! I haven't seen any other references myself
> to yelling obscenities in front of synagogues. I have also missed
> something along the way. I am pathological about Joos because of all
> their subterfuge. I do not refer to all, just to the 2\3rds or so that
> have Marxist ideals as Lucy Dawidowicz documented in her book- The War
> Against the Jews.
Note that "Tavish"-Phelps states only they "haven't seen any other
references." What are they hiding? What are they afraid to tell everyone about their
activities?
--YFE
--YFE
Billy Dale McTavish
Gord McFee wrote:
>
> In message <5fnutf$inn$1...@lator.cybercom.net> - amat...@cybercom.net
> (Allan Matthews) writes:
> :>
> :>In article <5fo0mh$6...@news.enter.net>, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
> :>wrote in response to one of the myriad Tavishes:
> :>> Why don't you go back to that which you do best: standing in front of
> :>>synagogues and yelling obscenities at those exercising their First Amendment
> :>> right to worship as they please.
I have a right you damned son of a bitch to be free from harassment such
as being E-Mail bombed four times and twice today. 3/9/97
You are the main bunch of god damned cowards that you have to E-Mail
bomb! You are a fine bunch!
> :>
> :>This is the second reference I've seen of late to "tavish" doing this. I've
> :>obviously missed something somewhere along the way. What is the basis for
> :>this accusation? (not that it surprises me any - "Doc" is obviously
> :>pathological about them damn Joos)
Your god damned vermin have a pathological obsession of me if they have
to keep E-Mail bombing me. I'll remember. You can count on that! I am
getting an international translator for my Netscape that will let me
post in German, Arabic etc. I will post in their language what I post
here in English.
> Old Doc could clear that up in a second if they had the courage to admit
> their real names.
Why should I tell you who and where I am so you coward mother fuckers
can come and rub me out for sure. You can't find me as of yet and I've
already noticed what you've done. I've added all of your anmes to my
files though!
Tavish
> But basically, Yale is right.
Yale is in my file too you coward bastard!
> --
> Gord McFee
> I'll write no line before its time
Lurkers what you have is just cheap Jew tricks of slamming, bashing,
intimidation and harassnebt and they wonder what causes anti-Semitism.
Nizkor keeps files and we do too!
Algonquin J. Calhoun
Sara aka Perrrfect wrote:
>
> In article <01bc2867$fcaefc00$ad84...@rcentral.ix.netcom.com>, "Jeff Yale"
> <rcen...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> [ a whole lot of anti-Semitic bullshit fake Talmud quotes deleted]
Sara you are going to look very stupid when someone uploads a graphic
image proving that they are indeed there! You won't be such of a little
snot then will you?
> Ho hum... this is such old stuff. It's been disproved and discounted
> thousands of times.
> How long do you really think the "Big Lie" will work?
> It didn't work for Adolf.
>
> Sara
Where Did Hitler Get His 6,000,000 Jews?
Page 134 of: The Iron Curtain Over America
by John Beaty
Available from:
Omni Press, P.O. Box 900566, Palmdale CA 93590
........ According to Appendix VII, "Statistics on
Religious Affiliation," of The Immigration and
Naturalization Systems of the United States (A
Report of the Committee on the Judiciary of the
United States Senate, 1950), the number of Jews in
the world is 15,713,638. The World Almanac, 1949,
p. 289, is cited as the source of the statistical
table reproduced on p. 842 of the government
document. The article in the World Almanac is headed
"Religious Population of the World." A corresponding
item, with the title, "Population, Worldwide, by
Religious Beliefs" is found in the World Almanac for
1940 (p. 129), and in it the world Jewish population
is given as 15,319,359. If the World Almanac figures
are correct, the world's Jewish population did not
decrease in the war decade, but showed a small
increase.
Assuming, however, that the figures of the U.S.
document and the World Almanac are in error, let us
make an examination of the known facts. In the first
place, the number of Jews in Germany in 1939 was about
600,000 -- by some estimates considerably fewer -- and
of these, as shown elsewhere in this book, many came to
the United States, some went to Palestine, and some
are still in Germany. As to the Jews in Eastern European
lands temporarily overrun by Hitler's troops, the great
majority retreated ahead of the German armies into
Soviet Russia. Of these, many came later to the U.S.,
some moved to Palestine, some unquestionably remained
in Soviet Russia and may be a part of the Jewish force
on the Iranian frontier, and enough remained in Eastern
Europe or have returned from Soviet Russia to form the
hard core of the new ruling bureaucracy in satellite
countries. It is hard to see how all these migrations
and all these power accomplishments can have come about
with a Jewish population much less than that which
existed in Eastern Europe before World War II. Thus the
known facts on Jewish migration and Jewish power in
Eastern Europe tend, like the World Almanac figures
accepted by the Senate Judiciary Committee, to raise
a question as to where Hitler got the 6,000,000 Jews
he is said to have killed.
--------------------END---------------------------
John Beaty worked in the Military Information Service
in World War II.
Yale F. Edeiken
> Billy Dale McTavish <tav...@phoenix.net> writes:
> Gord McFee wrote:
> > :>In article <5fo0mh$6...@news.enter.net>, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
> > :>wrote in response to one of the myriad Tavishes:
> > :>> Why don't you go back to that which you do best: standing in front of
> > :>>synagogues and yelling obscenities at those exercising their First Amendment
> > :>> right to worship as they please.
> Yale is in my file too you coward bastard!
Imagine, the "Tavish"-Phelps clan who refuse to use their real names call other
people "cowards."
I do hope they demonstrate their stout hearts and come around to my place to
scream a few obscenities. Maybe the judge will put them in the same pod as Mark Thomas.
>
> Lurkers what you have is just cheap Jew tricks of slamming, bashing,
> intimidation and harassnebt and they wonder what causes anti-Semitism.
> Nizkor keeps files and we do too!
Imagine, the "Tavish"-Phelps clan, a group which believes in harassment by email,
claim that others are doing it to them.
I wonder if Pheonix.net will confirm their claims.
--YFE
Gord McFee
In message <33237...@phoenix.net> - Billy Dale McTavish:>> In message <5fnutf$inn$1...@lator.cybercom.net> - amat...@cybercom.net
:>> (Allan Matthews) writes:
:>> :>
:>> :>In article <5fo0mh$6...@news.enter.net>, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
:>> :>wrote in response to one of the myriad Tavishes:
:>> :>> Why don't you go back to that which you do best: standing in front of
:>> :>>synagogues and yelling obscenities at those exercising their First Amendment
:>> :>> right to worship as they please.
:>I have a right you damned son of a bitch to be free from harassment such
:>as being E-Mail bombed four times and twice today. 3/9/97
:>You are the main bunch of god damned cowards that you have to E-Mail
:>bomb! You are a fine bunch!
Mr. Phelps?!! Such language from a man (or is it people) of the cloth!
Naughty man! I hope you don't use that language in front of synagogues,
or to little kids. You really need a good spanking. I'm sure Mrs.
Phelps (or Bruno) will oblige.
In addition, perhaps before you make libelous statements about "us"
sending you e-mail bombs (since you have addressed this post to me, that
includes me and you have therefore libeled me), you might like to
provide proof that I was involved in some e-mail bomb, or be prepared to
have your skinny little ass sued off.
:>> :>This is the second reference I've seen of late to "tavish" doing this. I've
:>> :>obviously missed something somewhere along the way. What is the basis for
:>> :>this accusation? (not that it surprises me any - "Doc" is obviously
:>> :>pathological about them damn Joos)
:>
:>Your god damned vermin have a pathological obsession of me if they have
:>to keep E-Mail bombing me. I'll remember. You can count on that! I am
:>getting an international translator for my Netscape that will let me
:>post in German, Arabic etc. I will post in their language what I post
:>here in English.
Virtually any language you post in will be an improvement over your
feeble efforts in English.
I think you are getting just a little hysterical Mr. Phelps. And as I
said, if you choose to accuse *me* of any such activity, you'd better be
able to prove it, barfbag.
:>> Old Doc could clear that up in a second if they had the courage to admit
:>> their real names.
:>
:>Why should I tell you who and where I am so you coward mother fuckers
:>can come and rub me out for sure. You can't find me as of yet and I've
:>already noticed what you've done. I've added all of your anmes to my
:>files though!
Boy, for a guy who quotes the Good Book so much, you sure haven't read
the injunctions against cursing, have you? Mr. Phelps, baiting little
kids in front of synagogues is another thing you like to do. You know
what? You don't remind me of a preacher at all. You remind me of a
fundamentalist, cracker Jew baiting asshole.
:>> But basically, Yale is right.
:>
:>Yale is in my file too you coward bastard!
I'll just betcha Yale is real worried, Mr. Phelps. I'll give you some
advice. Yale can be a real mean mother, and he doesn't like your
antisemitic ass one little bit. I don't like your vulgar ass either,
Mr. Phelps. Ready to bait little kids, but too spineless to post under
your (their) real name, aren't you? You watch your lip, or I just might
engage Mr. Edeiken as my attorney and "Giwer" you. Think about it,
trashie.
Popeye D. Saylor
Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> Please note that what the "Tavish"-Phelps jerks did was delete the
> subject to which this answer was written. Ahti stated the Talmud was a deep, dark
> secret concealed by those wascally Jooos. I pointed out where it was available
> and and what price.
Your are showing those emotions again!
> Why don't you go back to that which you do best: standing in front of
> synagogues and yelling obscenities at those exercising their First Amendment right
> to worship as they please.
Yale do you have any proof that I do the above because you can't have
because I don't engage in such practices. You are a poor loser Yale
Tattle Tale that you are reduced to this.
I have finally realized why you are so emotional you are actually a
transexual and those female hormones keep kicking in! :-) Do you shave
your legs too!?
(-: TAVISH :-)
ROTFLHAO
>
> --YFE (Yalena?)
Yale F. Edeiken
> > Please note that what the "Tavish"-Phelps jerks did was delete the
> > subject to which this answer was written. Ahti stated the Talmud was a deep,
dark
> > secret concealed by those wascally Jooos. I pointed out where it was available
> > and and what price.
> Your are showing those emotions again!
You are incorrrect. I demonstrated your technique for deception.
> > Why don't you go back to that which you do best: standing in front of
> > synagogues and yelling obscenities at those exercising their First Amendment
right
> > to worship as they please.
> Yale do you have any proof that I do the above because you can't have
> because I don't engage in such practices.
Wanna bet?
--YFE
Reginald H. C. McTavish
Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> Please note that what the "Tavish"-Phelps jerks did was delete the
> subject to which this answer was written. Ahti stated the Talmud was a deep, dark
> secret concealed by those wascally Jooos. I pointed out where it was available
> and and what price.
Tavish replies:
Your are showing those emotions again!
Yale[na] replies:
> Why don't you go back to that which you do best: standing in front of
> synagogues and yelling obscenities at those exercising their First Amendment right
> to worship as they please.
Tavish replies:
Yale do you have any proof that I do the above because you can't have
because I don't engage in such practices. You are a poor loser Yale
Tattle Tale that you are reduced to this.
I have finally realized why you are so emotional you are actually a
transexual and those female hormones keep kicking in! :-) Do you shave
your legs too!?
(-: TAVISH :-)
ROTFLHAO
>
> --YFE (Yalena?)
------END-----
Tavish quizzically asks:
Yale how do you get your "emotions" below from what I posted above? Yale
you
are not getting the sweets for me now are you? I definitiely don't go
for you
"split-hitters!"
Yale's nutty response to above top post:
Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
> > "Popeye D. Saylor" <pop...@missions.net> writes:
> > Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
Yale[na] replies:
> > > Please note that what the "Tavish"-Phelps jerks did was delete the
> > > subject to which this answer was written. Ahti stated the Talmud was a deep,
> > > dark
> > > secret concealed by those wascally Jooos. I pointed out where it was available
> > > and and what price.
>
Tavish replies:
> > Your are showing those emotions again!
>
Yale[na] replies:
> You are incorrrect. I demonstrated your technique for deception.
>
>
Yale[na] still prisses:
> > > Why don't you go back to that which you do best: standing in front of
> > > synagogues and yelling obscenities at those exercising their First Amendment
> > > right
> > > to worship as they please.
>
>
Tavish replies:
> > Yale do you have any proof that I do the above because you can't have
> > because I don't engage in such practices.
>
Yale[na] wagers a reply:
> Wanna bet?
Tavish replies:
Prove it Yale are else we will all know that you are a big sissy and a
liar too!
Liar, liar your panties are on fire!
<-: TAVISH :->
>
> --YFE
>
Jeffrey G. McTavish
Yale F. Edeiken [still getting emotional] wrote:Yale accuses Tavish:
> > > Why don't you go back to that which you do best: standing in front of
> > > synagogues and yelling obscenities at those exercising their First Amendment
> > > right to worship as they please.
>
> > Tavish replies:
> > Yale do you have any proof that I do the above because you can't have
> > because I don't engage in such practices. You are a poor loser Yale
> > Tattle Tale that you are reduced to this.
Yale now replies:
> Wanna bet?
<snip or deletia as Brown calls it>
> > Tavish replies:
> > Prove it Yale are else we will all know that you are a big sissy and a
> > liar too! Liar, liar your panties are on fire!
>
Yale [emotionally] replies:
> Sure will. I hereby accept the challenge of the "Tavish"-Phelps crowd
> specifically:
>
> 1. Before any impartial tribunal or arbitration board, I will prove that there is
> reason to believe that pseudonymous "Tavish" posters are, in fact, a clan of nuts
> who stands around in front of synagogues screaming obscenities.
Tavish replies:
Yale you are indeed referring to only one entity, correct? Also what
chemicals have you been taking to make you have these delusions? You see
Tavish everywhere now days don't you? There are no Synagogues within
miles of me, but I'd bet there are plenty of Christian Churches by you
that you spit on!
> 2. The following conditions apply:
>
> a. Federal Rules of Evidence to be used.
>
> b. Federal Rules of Civil Procedure relating to discovery and Rule 52 to
> apply.
>
> c. Loser to pay all costs of arbitration and all transcription fees.
>
> Let's see if they have more guts than Moran.
>
> --YFE
Tavish the true Brit and sport that he is counter replies:
Yale have you spit on any churches? Look at the below- you are a fellow
traveler of those that would! Do you deny spitting on the cross or on
churches? The same rules you named above apply to you as well! Here is
the evidence:
Source:
http://flashback.se/~rislam/english/toread/shahak.htm
Dishonouring Christian religious symbols is an old
religious duty in Judaism. Spitting on the cross,
an especially on the Crucifix, and spitting when a
Jew passes a church, have been obligatory from
around AD 200 for pious Jews. In the past, when the
danger of anti-Semitic hostility was a real one,
the pious Jews were commanded by their rabbis either
to spit so that the reason for doing so would
be unknown, or to spit onto their chests, not actually
on the cross or openly before the church. The
increasing strength of the Jewish state has caused
these customs to become more open again but there
should be no mistake: The spitting on the cross for
converts from Christianity to Judaism, organized in
Kibbutz Sa'ad and financed by the Israeli government
is a an act of traditional Jewish piety. It does not
seize to be barbaric, horrifying and wicked because
of this! On the contrary, it is worse because it is
so traditional, and much more dangerous as well, just
as the renewed anti-Semitism of the Nazis was
dangerous, because in part, it played on the
traditional anti-Semitic past.
This barbarous attitude of contempt and hate for
Christian religious symbols has grown in Israel. In
the 1950s Israel issued a series of stamps
representing pictures of Israeli cities. In the
picture of Nazareth, there was a church and on its
top a cross - almost invisible, perhaps the size of a
millimeter. Nevertheless, the religious parties,
supported by many on the Zionist "left" made a scandal
and the stamps were quickly withdrawn and replaced by
an almost identical series from which the microscopic
cross was withdrawn.
Then there was the long-drawn-out battle about
Christian influence in elementary arithmetic. Pious
Jews object to the international plus sign for it is a
cross, and it may in their opinion, influence little
children to convert to Christianity. Another
"explanation" holds; it would then be difficult to
"educate" them to spit on the cross, if they become
used to it in their arithmetic exercises. Until the
early 1970s two different sets of arithmetic books were
used in Israel. One for the secular schools, employing
an inverted "T" sign. In the early '70's the religious
fanatics "converted" the Labour Party to the great
danger of the cross in arithmetic, and from that time,
in all Hebrew elementary schools (and now many high
schools as well) the international plus sign has been
forbidden.
Similar development is visible in other areas of
education. Teaching the New Testament was always
forbidden, but in the old time conscientious teachers
of history used to circumvent the prohibition, by
organizing seminars or sending the students to
libraries (not the school libraries, of course).
About 10 years ago there was a wave of denouncing
such teachers. One in Jerualem was almost sacked, for
advising her history pupils, who were studying the
history of Jews in Palestine around 30-40 AD,
that it would be a good thing if they would read a
few chapters of the New Testament as a historical
aid. She retained her post only after humbly
promising not to do this again.
However in recent years, anti-Christian feelings are
literally exploding in Israel (and among Israel-
worshipping Jews in Diaspora too) together with the
increase of the Jewish fanaticism in all other areas
too.
The real enemies of truth here, as in many other
aspects of the Israel reality, are the socialists,
"liberals", "radicals", etc. in the USA. Imagine the
reaction of the US Liberals, and of such papers as
The Nation and New York Review of Books, not to speak
of the New York Times if in any state whatsoever, the
government financed spitting on a Star of David? But
when here in Israel, the government finances the
spitting on a cross, they are and will continue to be,
quite silent. More than this, they helpt to finance
it. United States taxpayers, who are of course mostly
Christians, are finacing at least half the Israeli
budget, one way or another, and therfore the spitting
on the cross too.
Professor Israel Shahak is an Israeli citizen,
former concentration camp inmate during WW II,
and the founder of Israel's Human Rights League.
His new book "Jewish History, Jewish Religion"
about Jewish hatred and contempt toward Gentiles,
is highly recommended.
--------------------------
The moral of this is: Yale should have his prescription reduced
in potency- he's beginning to imagine things! May be this is why
he also gets too emotional and loses his grip with reality and
sanity too!
Tavish
Lord Windesmere
Yale,
Two questions:
1) Look at the subject title above ^ what is a lyong?
2) Do you have the sweets for me? It has been pointed out to me that you
have been giving me an inordinate amount of attention lately. I don't
care if you do shave your legs- you're not my idea of a Saturday Night
out!
(-: TAVISH :-)
Yale F. Edeiken
> > Please note that what the "Tavish"-Phelps jerks did was delete the
> > subject to which this answer was written. Ahti stated the Talmud was a deep,
dark
> > secret concealed by those wascally Jooos. I pointed out where it was available
> > and and what price.
> > Why don't you go back to that which you do best: standing in front of
> > synagogues and yelling obscenities at those exercising their First Amendment
right
> > to worship as they please.
> Tavish replies:
> Yale do you have any proof that I do the above because you can't have
> because I don't engage in such practices. You are a poor loser Yale
> Tattle Tale that you are reduced to this.
Wanna bet?
> I have finally realized why you are so emotional you are actually a
> transexual and those female hormones keep kicking in! :-) Do you shave
> your legs too!?
> Yale's nutty response to above top post:
>
> > > Please note that what the "Tavish"-Phelps jerks did was delete the
> > > > subject to which this answer was written. Ahti stated the Talmud was a
deep,
> > > > dark
> > > > secret concealed by those wascally Jooos. I pointed out where it was
available
> > > > and and what price.
Perhaps only to haters like the "Tavish"-Phelps crowd would a
demonstration of their technicque for lying seem nutty. Please note that the only
response to a demonstration of their duplicity is a crazed ad hominem attack.
What else can you expect from the type of people who stand around in
front of synagogues screaming obscenities.
> > Wanna bet?
> Tavish replies:
> Prove it Yale are else we will all know that you are a big sissy and a
> liar too!
> Liar, liar your panties are on fire!
Sure will. I hereby accept the challenge of the "Tavish"-Phelps crowd
specifically:
1. Before any impartial tribunal or arbitration board, I will prove that there is
reason to believe that pseudonymous "Tavish" posters are, in fact, a clan of nuts
who stands around in front of synagogues screaming obscenities.
2. The following conditions apply:
Yale F. Edeiken
> "Jeffrey G. McTavish" <unli...@phoenix.net> writes:
> Yale F. Edeiken [still getting emotional] wrote:
> > > > Why don't you go back to that which you do best: standing in front of
> > > > synagogues and yelling obscenities at those exercising their First Amendment
> > > > right to worship as they please.
> > > Tavish replies:
> > > Yale do you have any proof that I do the above because you can't have
> > > because I don't engage in such practices. You are a poor loser Yale
> > > Tattle Tale that you are reduced to this.
> Yale replies:
> > Sure will. I hereby accept the challenge of the "Tavish"-Phelps crowd
> > specifically:
> >
> > 1. Before any impartial tribunal or arbitration board, I will prove that there is
> > reason to believe that pseudonymous "Tavish" posters are, in fact, a clan of nuts
> > who stands around in front of synagogues screaming obscenities.
> Tavish replies:
> Yale you are indeed referring to only one entity, correct? Also what
> chemicals have you been taking to make you have these delusions? You see
> Tavish everywhere now days don't you? There are no Synagogues within
> miles of me, but I'd bet there are plenty of Christian Churches by you
> that you spit on!
> > 2. The following conditions apply:
> > a. Federal Rules of Evidence to be used.
> > b. Federal Rules of Civil Procedure relating to discovery and Rule 52 to
> > apply.
> > c. Loser to pay all costs of arbitration and all transcription fees.
> > Let's see if they have more guts than Moran.
The answer is a strange one:
> Tavish the true Brit and sport that he is counter replies:
> Yale have you spit on any churches? Look at the below- you are a fellow
> traveler of those that would! Do you deny spitting on the cross or on
> churches? The same rules you named above apply to you as well!
Absolutely. I absolutely deny it.
You're on. I accept your counter-challenge.
The issue is as follows:
You will prove before an impartial tribunal that I have "spit on churches" with
the conditions I have set specifically:
1. Federal Rules of Evidence to be used (if you wish an alternate code of
evidence, I am willing to consider it).
2. Federal Rules of Civil Procedure concerning discovery to be used (if you
wish an alternate code, I am willing to consider it)
3. Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 52 to be used. (non-negotiable)
4. All costs of the arbitration and transcription costs to be paid by the loser.
I suggest the American Arbitration Association (I am not a member nor am I
listed by them as an arbitrator]. If you have an alternate suggestion, please make it.
You may email me a short note indicating the name and snail mail address to
which the contract for arbitration can be sent. Should this not be acceptable, I will
contact any local AAA offfice and they can deal with you.
You characters really are stupid.
--YFE
Ken Lewis
On Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:43:51 -0600, The bigot 'Doc Tavish' posing
now as "Reginald H. C. McTavish" <unli...@phoenix.net> wrote:
>Liar, liar your panties are on fire!
I believe we are seeing Doc's real maturity level in this post,
folks. Amazing, isn't it?
Anthony Sabatini
Yale F. Edeiken <ya...@enter.net> wrote in article
<5ga4ks$8...@news.enter.net>...
> > "Reginald H. C. McTavish" <unli...@phoenix.net> writes:
> > Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
> > > Please note that what the "Tavish"-Phelps jerks did was delete
the
> > > subject to which this answer was written. Ahti stated the Talmud was a
deep,
> dark
> > > secret concealed by those wascally Jooos. I pointed out where it was
available
> > > and and what price.
>
front of
> > > synagogues and yelling obscenities at those exercising their First
Amendment
> right
> > > to worship as they please.
>
> > Tavish replies:
> > Yale do you have any proof that I do the above because you can't have
> > because I don't engage in such practices. You are a poor loser Yale
> > Tattle Tale that you are reduced to this.
>
>
>
> > I have finally realized why you are so emotional you are actually a
> > transexual and those female hormones keep kicking in! :-) Do you shave
> > your legs too!?
>
>
>
> > Yale's nutty response to above top post:
>
> >
> > > > Please note that what the "Tavish"-Phelps jerks did was delete the
> > > > > subject to which this answer was written. Ahti stated the Talmud
was a
> deep,
> > > > > dark
> > > > > secret concealed by those wascally Jooos. I pointed out where it
was
> available
> > > > > and and what price.
>
> Perhaps only to haters like the "Tavish"-Phelps crowd would a
> demonstration of their technicque for lying seem nutty. Please note that the
only
> response to a demonstration of their duplicity is a crazed ad hominem attack.
>
>
>
> > Tavish replies:
> > Prove it Yale are else we will all know that you are a big sissy and a
> > liar too!
>
> specifically:
>
> 1. Before any impartial tribunal or arbitration board, I will prove that
there is
> reason to believe that pseudonymous "Tavish" posters are, in fact, a clan of
nuts
> who stands around in front of synagogues screaming obscenities.
>
>
> a. Federal Rules of Evidence to be used.
>
> b. Federal Rules of Civil Procedure relating to discovery and Rule 52 to
> apply.
>
> c. Loser to pay all costs of arbitration and all transcription fees.
>
> Let's see if they have more guts than Moran.
Another "canard" from the lawyer...
Yale thinks he's being clever here, but in fact he is just demonstrating yet
another infantile Holo-Clone (tm) tactic -- the old 'I _dare_ you to!' Mr.
Edeiken must realize that Tavish has stated that he does not want his identity
revealed to the public. Accepting your terms will certainly do just that. If,
OTOH, he refuses to accept, we will never hear the end of the "Coward!" cries.
Edeiken has neatly set up a win-win situation for himself and his fellow
Holo-Clones (tm).
Too bad it's just too transparent. Just like the often-snotty Mr. Edeiken
himself.
(Oh, and before you ask me why I'm getting involved in this, I'll tell you:
it's just to piss you off!)
ChuckF2323
Think about this: Would you buy a used car from tavish?
Would you let any tavish take your beautiful, innocent daughter out on a
date?
Over my dead body. (or his)
Chuck Ferree
LET ANY DOUBTER,
IN ALL THE GENERATIONS TO COME,
CONTEMPLATE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE
TO LIVE IN A WORLD DOMINATED BY HITLER,
THE JAPANESE WARLORDS,
OR ANY OTHER CRUEL DICTATOR OR DESPOT.
Ira C. Eaker Commanding General,
United States Air Force
Wyatt Earp
Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
> > "Popeye D. Saylor" <pop...@missions.net> writes:
> > Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
> > > Please note that what the "Tavish"-Phelps jerks did was delete the
> > > subject to which this answer was written.
I examine the manner of the debate and conduct. I know who is
telling the truth and who is lying by the tactics employed- the liar
always attacks the opposing person.
Doc Tavish <tav...@phoenix.net>
[...Deletia...]
<snip> ANTI-TAVISH GARBAGE DELETED
Psycho nut YFE posts hate to newsgroups
> --YFE
>
Gord McFee
In message <01bc30db$5c95bf20$0d7213cc@server> - "Anthony Sabatini"
<anth...@infobahnos.com> writes:
:>
:>Yale F. Edeiken <ya...@enter.net> wrote in article
:><5ga4ks$8...@news.enter.net>...
:>> Sure will. I hereby accept the challenge of the "Tavish"-Phelps crowd
:>> specifically:
:>>
:>> 1. Before any impartial tribunal or arbitration board, I will prove that
:>there is
:>> reason to believe that pseudonymous "Tavish" posters are, in fact, a clan of
:>nuts
:>> who stands around in front of synagogues screaming obscenities.
:>>
:>> 2. The following conditions apply:
:>>
:>> a. Federal Rules of Evidence to be used.
:>>
:>> b. Federal Rules of Civil Procedure relating to discovery and Rule 52 to
:>> apply.
:>>
:>> c. Loser to pay all costs of arbitration and all transcription fees.
:>>
:>> Let's see if they have more guts than Moran.
:>
:>Another "canard" from the lawyer...
:>
:>Yale thinks he's being clever here, but in fact he is just demonstrating yet
:>another infantile Holo-Clone (tm) tactic -- the old 'I _dare_ you to!' Mr.
:>Edeiken must realize that Tavish has stated that he does not want his identity
:>revealed to the public. Accepting your terms will certainly do just that. If,
:>OTOH, he refuses to accept, we will never hear the end of the "Coward!" cries.
:>Edeiken has neatly set up a win-win situation for himself and his fellow
:>Holo-Clones (tm).
Really? Let's put it in different terms. If you are correct, that
means the Phelps Tavish-Trash can say whatever it wants, and never be
held to account. It can challenge Mr. Edeiken to a debate and ten back
out on the grounds that it would compromise his identity. Isn't that
just a bit of a win-win too?
Plus, I thought I saw a post from M<r. Edeiken in which he said this
could all be done on the written record.
Finally, I am surprised you would be springing to the defense of the
Phelps Tavish-Trash.
holo hugger
On 6 Mar 1997 15:34:49 GMT, ah...@mail1.i1.net (Ahti Eric Rovainen)
wrote:
____
>How odd
>of God
>to choose
>the Jews!
Not really when you look at the alter-natives. Perhaps the
best of a bad lot.
But then in fact he only chose Abram. Then the question
becomes why this god did not konw humans well enough to know never to
trust the kids to be in the least like the parents.
But of course one can see it from the view point of the kids.
Who can trust a god that ordered a man to kill his own son? And who
can trust their own heritage coming from a man who would kill his own
child?
To be honest about, even the biblical jews are descended from
a would be murderer.
holo hugger
On Fri, 07 Mar 97 20:38:31 GMT, bb...@freenet.carleton.ca (Jenn
Starkman) wrote:
>In article <5fmo6p$oq6$1...@news1.i1.net>,
> ah...@mail1.i1.net (Ahti Eric Rovainen) wrote:
>>: Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>: >
>>:
>>: > The Talmud is available at the major bookstores in my area; in
>>: > fact the Steinsaltz Edition (an Enlgish translation) is published by
>>: > Random House. Many major libraries have copies. I realize that such
>>: > precincts are as foreign to most "revisionists" as an abattoir woulbe be
>>: > to a vegetarian but there are other sources. The Soncino translation of
>>: > the Talmud is available on CD-ROM. You can find for $299.00 at
>>: > http://www.jewishsource.com. They will even sell you the complete
>>: > Soncino Talmud, Zohar, and Midrash Rabbah for $589.00 (enjoy!).
>>: > They also have a good book: "Everyman's Talmud" by Abraham Cohen for
>>: > $18.00.
>>
>>Of course the Jews would figure out a way to profit from the Talmud,
>
>I'm sorry, I think I must be misunderstanding you. Do you mean to say that
>Christians do not profit when they sell copies of *their* holy books? Do you
>mean to say that Muslims do not profit when they sell copies of *their* holy
>books?
Have you ever seen a copyright notice on a King James Bible?
Buf of course an abridged bible could be copyrighted.
But then, let us get down to cases. An unabridged Talmud
would easily fit on a CD-ROM and would cost about $50. Can you
provide the name of a vendor?
>>by charging the "goyim schmucks" almost $600 to read an abridged version of
>>their book of hate.
>
>First off, it's not very nice to refer to your brethren as "a nation of
>penises".
You have putz on the brain.
J. Cappiello
Yale,
If "Tavish" and his cohorts are willing to go ahead with their case, I'd
love to be a Character witness on your behalf. I am willing to stand up
and say in any court of law that, based on my studies, there is nothing
in Torah, Talmus, Responsa or Kabala that requires a Jew to spit on
crosses or when passing a church. I will also note that the Bablonian
Talmud's directives are not authoritarian, or at least no more so than
the dictates of other religious of that era.
Or do you think they are just bluffing.
Jackie
Yale F. Edeiken
> the criminal Giwer writes:
> >>: Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> >>: > The Talmud is available at the major bookstores in my area; in
> >>: > fact the Steinsaltz Edition (an Enlgish translation) is published by
> >>: > Random House. Many major libraries have copies. I realize that such
> >>: > precincts are as foreign to most "revisionists" as an abattoir woulbe be
> >>: > to a vegetarian but there are other sources. The Soncino translation of
> >>: > the Talmud is available on CD-ROM. You can find for $299.00 at
> >>: > http://www.jewishsource.com. They will even sell you the complete
> >>: > Soncino Talmud, Zohar, and Midrash Rabbah for $589.00 (enjoy!).
> >>: > They also have a good book: "Everyman's Talmud" by Abraham Cohen
for
> >>: > $18.00.
> >I'm sorry, I think I must be misunderstanding you. Do you mean to say that
> >Christians do not profit when they sell copies of *their* holy books? Do you
> >mean to say that Muslims do not profit when they sell copies of *their* holy
> >books?
> Have you ever seen a copyright notice on a King James Bible?
> Buf of course an abridged bible could be copyrighted.
Or any translation. The Christian Bible in my possession (The NIV Study
Bible *is* copyrighted); so is Volume 1 of the Schocken translation. What the
criminal Giwer fails to point out is that the copyright on the King James tranlation
would have expired centuries ago.
> But then, let us get down to cases. An unabridged Talmud
> would easily fit on a CD-ROM and would cost about $50. Can you
> provide the name of a vendor?
I gave you the name of a vendor for a translation. As far as I know there
is no CD version of one of the accepted Hebrew-Aramaic texts. But then, if their
was, you could not read it.
--YFE
Yale F. Edeiken
> > > Yale do you have any proof that I do the above because you can't have
> > > because I don't engage in such practices. You are a poor loser Yale
> > > Tattle Tale that you are reduced to this.
> > Wanna bet?
> > > Tavish replies:
> > > Prove it Yale are else we will all know that you are a big sissy and a
> > > liar too!
> > > Liar, liar your panties are on fire!
> > Sure will. I hereby accept the challenge of the "Tavish"-Phelps crowd
> > specifically:
> > 1. Before any impartial tribunal or arbitration board, I will prove that
> there is
> > reason to believe that pseudonymous "Tavish" posters are, in fact, a clan of
> nuts
> > who stands around in front of synagogues screaming obscenities.
> > 2. The following conditions apply:
> > a. Federal Rules of Evidence to be used.
> > b. Federal Rules of Civil Procedure relating to discovery and Rule 52 to
> > apply.
> > c. Loser to pay all costs of arbitration and all transcription fees.
> > Let's see if they have more guts than Moran.
> Another "canard" from the lawyer...
Another asinine post from "Sabatini."
>
> Yale thinks he's being clever here,
No. I am being very serious.
> but in fact he is just demonstrating yet
> another infantile Holo-Clone (tm) tactic -- the old 'I _dare_ you to!'
Another lie from "Sabatini." The challenge came from the
"Tavish"-Phelps who has made the challenge. But does "Sabatini" have a single
word to say about those who made the challenge. N-o-o-o-o.
> Mr.
> Edeiken must realize that Tavish has stated that he does not want his identity
> revealed to the public. Accepting your terms will certainly do just that.
He has made the challenge. He should have thought of that.
> If, OTOH, he refuses to accept, we will never hear the end of the "Coward!"
cries.
Excuse me. I am the one who "accepted."
> Edeiken has neatly set up a win-win situation for himself and his fellow
> Holo-Clones (tm).
This, of course, is an admission that I know what I'm talking about. If I
cannot back up my words (as both you and the "Tavish"-Phelps crowd realize I will)
then I lose.
> Too bad it's just too transparent. Just like the often-snotty Mr. Edeiken
> himself.
I was challenged. I have accepted the challenge. You are lying about
what has happened by pretending that I made the challenge.
> (Oh, and before you ask me why I'm getting involved in this, I'll tell you:
> it's just to piss you off!)
Is that why you have deliberately lied about the situation?
--YFE
Billy Pilgrim
Ken Lewis wrote:
>
> On Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:43:51 -0600, The bigot 'Doc Tavish' posing
>
> >Liar, liar your panties are on fire!
>
> folks. Amazing, isn't it?
Just a poorly conceived attempt at humor with the grind from all the
lefties that infest the ng! It is mild humor seeing how Yale was the
originator of the synagogue lie that libels my character.
Tavish
Fafner13
The verses concerning Mary and Jesus come from an old Jewish tract
entitled, Sepher Toldoth Jeshu.
Fafner13
What Yale wrote may have some merit to it, but it does not explain why the
Talmud was ordered confiscated and burned many times by the authorities
after an expose' was written concerning the same by Jewish apostates.
There must have been something extremely offensive in them for the
authorities to confiscate and burn all copies.
Anthony Sabatini
Gord McFee <gmc...@ibm.net> wrote in article
<5gfsrt$1fqm$8...@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>...
> In message <01bc30db$5c95bf20$0d7213cc@server> - "Anthony Sabatini"
> <anth...@infobahnos.com> writes:
> :>> :>> Sure will. I hereby accept the challenge of the "Tavish"-Phelps crowd
> :>>
> :>> 1. Before any impartial tribunal or arbitration board, I will prove
that
> :>there is
> :>> reason to believe that pseudonymous "Tavish" posters are, in fact, a clan
of
> :>nuts
> :>> who stands around in front of synagogues screaming obscenities.
> :>>
> :>> 2. The following conditions apply:
> :>>
> :>> a. Federal Rules of Evidence to be used.
> :>>
> :>> b. Federal Rules of Civil Procedure relating to discovery and Rule 52
to
> :>> apply.
> :>>
> :>> c. Loser to pay all costs of arbitration and all transcription fees.
> :>>
> :>> Let's see if they have more guts than Moran.
> :>
> :>Another "canard" from the lawyer...
> :>Yale thinks he's being clever here, but in fact he is just demonstrating
yet
> :>another infantile Holo-Clone (tm) tactic -- the old 'I _dare_ you to!' Mr.
> :>Edeiken must realize that Tavish has stated that he does not want his
identity
> :>revealed to the public. Accepting your terms will certainly do just that.
> :>OTOH, he refuses to accept, we will never hear the end of the "Coward!"
cries.
> :>Holo-Clones (tm).
>
> means the Phelps Tavish-Trash can say whatever it wants, and never be
> held to account. It can challenge Mr. Edeiken to a debate and ten back
> out on the grounds that it would compromise his identity. Isn't that
> just a bit of a win-win too?
Sorry, Gord, I was talking about this "before any impartial tribunal or
arbitration board" business. Arguments posted to Usenet should be continued and
finished in Usenet. Asking someone to give up his/her anonymity and/or time for
the sake of a silly argument is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
> Plus, I thought I saw a post from M<r. Edeiken in which he said this
> could all be done on the written record.
That was in regards to Mike Stein's 'challenge' to me (along the same vein).
For any tribunal to judge, you would probably have to be present or at least
spend some time answering questions, defending yourself, et al. This kind of
stuff takes a lot of time and is by no means practical. As such, when someone
asks such a thing, it _is_ indeed a "canard" because the challenger is probably
hoping for one of the two things I listed above.
> Finally, I am surprised you would be springing to the defense of the
> Phelps Tavish-Trash.
Gord, this time I'm not "springing to the defense" of anyone but me! Mike Stein
made a similar challenge to me in another thread (and Yale Edeiken followed up
on it). The post was CCed to me but has not yet made it to my ISP's newserver,
so I am answering the same way I would in my case. This, and the following
(which you snipped) are my reasons for posting in this thread.
[To Yale F. Edeiken:]
"(Oh, and before you ask me why I'm getting involved in this, I'll tell you:
it's just to piss you off!)"
This is what I call justified retaliation to Edieken's recent attacks on me.
[.sig snipped]
CCed to Gord McFee.
Fafner13
In reply to your first question, the verses concerning Mary come from an
old Jewish tract entitled "Sepher Toldoth Yeshu"
Yale F. Edeiken
> Billy Pilgrim <you-gu...@phoenix.net> writes:
> Just a poorly conceived attempt at humor with the grind from all the
> lefties that infest the ng! It is mild humor seeing how Yale was the
> originator of the synagogue lie that libels my character.
If it's a lie "Tavish" why have you turned down my offer to take it
arbitration?
--YFE
Fafner13
The study of the Talmud and it's many commentaries is quite complex and
some rabbis devote most of their lives to it. These are available in
English at most Jewish libraries.
Fafner13
I for one think it is highly commendable that the previous verses have
been explained for us by this gentleman. I shall add a few verses soon,
as I would like to ascertain whether they be genuine or not.
Fafner13
Adolf never claimed to practice "The Big Lie." He attributed this
practice to Jews, if you ever read the complete passage in Mein Kampf,
which you probably have. If not, I will be more than happy to supply it
for your consideration.
Yale F. Edeiken
doing something wrong, those men would never consider raping them.
--YFE
Yale F. Edeiken
> "Anthony Sabatini" <anth...@infobahnos.com> writes:
> > :>Yale F. Edeiken <ya...@enter.net> wrote in article
> > :><5ga4ks$8...@news.enter.net>...
#> > :>> Sure will. I hereby accept the challenge of the "Tavish"-Phelps crowd
#> > :>> specifically:
#> > :>> 1. Before any impartial tribunal or arbitration board, I will prove
#> that there is
#> > :>> reason to believe that pseudonymous "Tavish" posters are, in fact, a
clan
#> of nuts
#> > :>> who stands around in front of synagogues screaming obscenities.
#> > :>> 2. The following conditions apply:
#> > :>> a. Federal Rules of Evidence to be used.
#> > :>> b. Federal Rules of Civil Procedure relating to discovery and Rule 52
#> to apply.
#> > :>> c. Loser to pay all costs of arbitration and all transcription fees.
> Sorry, Gord, I was talking about this "before any impartial tribunal or
> arbitration board" business. Arguments posted to Usenet should be continued
and
> finished in Usenet. Asking someone to give up his/her anonymity and/or time for
> the sake of a silly argument is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
This is not an argument but a challenge to prove something. The
challenge implies a forum and rules. If they have reservations they should not
make challenges.
> > Plus, I thought I saw a post from M<r. Edeiken in which he said this
> > could all be done on the written record.
> That was in regards to Mike Stein's 'challenge' to me (along the same vein).
> For any tribunal to judge, you would probably have to be present or at least
> spend some time answering questions, defending yourself, et al. This kind of
> stuff takes a lot of time and is by no means practical. As such, when someone
> asks such a thing, it _is_ indeed a "canard" because the challenger is probably
> hoping for one of the two things I listed above.
Then don't make challenges. The "Tavish"-Phelps crowd did. They
only backed down when it was taken seriously. If you want to know what I was
hoping for, read Rule 52.
> Gord, this time I'm not "springing to the defense" of anyone but me!
Were you born into the "Tavish" clan or did you convert?
> Mike Stein
> made a similar challenge to me in another thread (and Yale Edeiken followed up
> on it).
To correct your misconceptions about the process. You remain, by the
way, somewhat ignorant as to what an arbitration is and how they are conducted.
--YFE
Charles Power
fafn...@aol.com (Fafner13) writes:
>What Yale wrote may have some merit to it, but it does not explain why the
>Talmud was ordered confiscated and burned many times by the authorities
>after an expose' was written concerning the same by Jewish apostates.
>There must have been something extremely offensive in them for the
>authorities to confiscate and burn all copies.
Tantamount to blaming rape victimes for being attractive....
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Gord McFee
In message <01bc3336$9aad4af0$467213cc@server> - "Anthony Sabatini"
<anth...@infobahnos.com>18 Mar 97 00:52:55 GMT writes:
:>
:>Gord McFee <gmc...@ibm.net> wrote in article
:><5gfsrt$1fqm$8...@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>...
[deleted]
:>> :>Yale thinks he's being clever here, but in fact he is just demonstrating
:>yet
:>> :>another infantile Holo-Clone (tm) tactic -- the old 'I _dare_ you to!' Mr.
:>> :>Edeiken must realize that Tavish has stated that he does not want his
:>identity
:>> :>revealed to the public. Accepting your terms will certainly do just that.
:>If,
:>> :>OTOH, he refuses to accept, we will never hear the end of the "Coward!"
:>cries.
:>> :>Edeiken has neatly set up a win-win situation for himself and his fellow
:>> :>Holo-Clones (tm).
:>>
:>> Really? Let's put it in different terms. If you are correct, that
:>> means the Phelps Tavish-Trash can say whatever it wants, and never be
:>> held to account. It can challenge Mr. Edeiken to a debate and ten back
:>> out on the grounds that it would compromise his identity. Isn't that
:>> just a bit of a win-win too?
:>
:>Sorry, Gord, I was talking about this "before any impartial tribunal or
:>arbitration board" business. Arguments posted to Usenet should be continued and
:>finished in Usenet. Asking someone to give up his/her anonymity and/or time for
:>the sake of a silly argument is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
My only point was that Phelps-Tavish issued a challenge and was then
afraid to put his money where his mouth is. Mr. Edeiken has already
said that all he needs is the address of Phelps' attorney. Mr. Phelps'
anonymity is guaranteed, except for the fact that we all know who he is.
:-)
:>> Plus, I thought I saw a post from M<r. Edeiken in which he said this
:>> could all be done on the written record.
:>
:>That was in regards to Mike Stein's 'challenge' to me (along the same vein).
:>For any tribunal to judge, you would probably have to be present or at least
:>spend some time answering questions, defending yourself, et al. This kind of
:>stuff takes a lot of time and is by no means practical. As such, when someone
:>asks such a thing, it _is_ indeed a "canard" because the challenger is probably
:>hoping for one of the two things I listed above.
I thought Mr. Edeiken set out a fair method.
:>> Finally, I am surprised you would be springing to the defense of the
:>> Phelps Tavish-Trash.
:>
:>Gord, this time I'm not "springing to the defense" of anyone but me! Mike Stein
:>made a similar challenge to me in another thread (and Yale Edeiken followed up
:>on it). The post was CCed to me but has not yet made it to my ISP's newserver,
:>so I am answering the same way I would in my case. This, and the following
:>(which you snipped) are my reasons for posting in this thread.
In other words, you are just stirring up trouble. Fair enough. I've
done that a few times myself, but don't tell Mr. Luek. :-)
Posted and e-mailed.
Mark Van Alstine
In article <19970318071...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
fafn...@aol.com (Fafner13) wrote:
Please do. In the meantime, however, it is somewhat informative to see
what Hitler had to say in _Mein Kampf_ about the "art of propganda:"
"The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence
is small, but their power of forgetting is enourmous. IN consequence of
these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points
and must harp on these slogans until the last member of the public
understands what you want him to understand by your slogan...." (Hitler,
_Mein Kampf_, p.180-181.)
"The function of propaganda is, for example, not to wiegh and ponder the
rights of different people, but exclusively to emphasize the one right
which it has set out to argue for. Its task is not to make an objective
study of the truth, in so far as it favors the enemy, and then set it
before the masses with academic fairness; its task is to serve our own
right, always and unflinchingly." (Ibid. p.182.)
"The purpose of propaganda is not to provide interesting distraction for
blase' young gentlemen, but to convinve, and what I mean is to convince
the masses. But the masses are slow-moving, and they always require a
certain time before they are ready even to notice a thing, and only after
the simplest ideas are repeated thousands of times will the masses finally
remember them." (Ibid. p. 185.)
"Propaganda tries to forces a doctrine on the whole people; the
organization embraces within its scope only those who do not threaten on
psychological grounds to become a brake on the further dissemination of
the idea." (Ibid. p.582.)
"Propaganda works on the general public from a standpoint of an idea and
makes them ripe for victory of this idea, while the organization achieves
victory by the persistant, organic , and militant union of those
supporters who seem willing and able to carry on the fight for victory."
(Ibid.)
"The first task of propaganda is to win people for subsequent
organization; the first task of organization is to win men for the
continuation of propaganda. The second task of propganda is the disruption
of the existing state of affairs and the permeatio of this state of
affairs with the new doctrine, while the second task of organiazation must
be the struggle for power, thus to achieve the final success of the
doctrine." (Ibid. p. 583.)
Please note, Mr. Bellinger, the that Hitler, for examle, writes above that
the "function of propaganda" is to "serve our [German/"Aryan"] own right,
always and unflinchingly." And how was propganda supposed to serve
Hitler's ends? Why, by "force[ing] a doctrine on the whole people" by
"repeat[ing] thousands of times" the "simplest ideas" until "the masses
finally remember them."
Sure sounds like Hitler was talking about the practical application of
"The Big Lie"to me, Mr. Bellinger!
Additionally, given the above context about harping on "slogans until the
last member of the public understands what you want him to understand," is
it not also somewhat informative that Hilter, in _Mein Kampf_, (according
to the index) mentions Jews about 150 times? Marxism some 80 times? Race
some 25 times? And Social Democracy about 20 times? (In comparison, Hitler
mentions the NSDAP a little over 50 times.)
And Mr. Bellinger has the chutzpuh to imply that Hitler was not a master
of "The Big Lie?" How droll. This, of course, is hardly suprising given
that Mr. Bellinger is himself a student of "The Big Lie." After all, what
else should one expect from an anti-Semitic lying scumbag Nazi apologist?
For those interested in proof of Mr. Bellinger's increasingly irrelevant
Nazi apologia, Holocaust denial, intellectual dishonesty, anti-Semitism,
and outright lies, please peruse DejaNews and visit the Nizkor Project at:
http://www.dejanews.com/
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/lies
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1196
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1296
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1997/blackmore.0197
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/tutu101.1296
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1997/fafner13.0197
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/anyone-out-there-1q2-14
Mark
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jbell...@sprynet.com
jbell...@sprynet.com
All that bandwidth wasted by Mark, who should have
just quoted the portion of Mein Kampf directly pertinent
to "The Big Lie".
jbell...@sprynet.com
> ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > fafn...@aol.com (Fafner13) writes:
> > What Yale wrote may have some merit to it, but it does not explain why the
> > Talmud was ordered confiscated and burned many times by the authorities
> > after an expose' was written concerning the same by Jewish apostates.
> > There must have been something extremely offensive in them for the
> > authorities to confiscate and burn all copies.
> >
> >>>>
> doing something wrong, those men would never consider raping them.
>
> --YFE
>
>>>>
ridiculous vein.
david gehrig
jbell...@sprynet.com wrote:
> >>>>
> Well, Yale, you had to go and spoil everything by responding in an absolutely
> ridiculous vein.
He was right on point. The Talmud was burned, not for what was in it,
but for what the various authorities/mobs THOUGHT was in it.
There are some good English translations available -- have a whack at it
yourself, just pick a random volume, and see. If it really is the
incredibly nasty, hate-filled book that anti-Semites so desperately want
it to be, then you shouldn't have to read very long before spotting
something bad.
@%<
jbell...@sprynet.com
apostate Jews, I would assume that they were correct in what was
or wasn't in the Talmud. Anyway, you have forced my hand, and I
will hopefully be posting some of these offensive passages soon, and
let us see if we can clarify things.
Michael P. Stein
In article <5h7h81$il0$5...@juliana.sprynet.com>,
<jbell...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>> david gehrig <dge...@cnsnet.net> writes:
>> There are some good English translations available -- have a whack at it
>> yourself, just pick a random volume, and see. If it really is the
>> incredibly nasty, hate-filled book that anti-Semites so desperately want
>> it to be, then you shouldn't have to read very long before spotting
>> something bad.
One of the problems is that it is very easy to take things out of
context in a casual reading. Another is that the Talmud is not organized
the way a modern legal code would be.
>>
>>>>>
>OK, I will take you up on that. Seeing that the information came from
>apostate Jews, I would assume that they were correct in what was
>or wasn't in the Talmud.
Given your position on Holocaust eyewitnesses I'm surprised you appear
not to consider the possibility that the apostate Jews did what they did
to curry favor with their new "friends."
>Anyway, you have forced my hand, and I
>will hopefully be posting some of these offensive passages soon, and
>let us see if we can clarify things.
I _do_ trust you will give the source. Try to make it a real page
reference. A few of the Talmud-bashers cite not just nonexistent pages,
and not just things that aren't part of the talmud at all, but (as far as
I can tell from the resources I can check) nonexistent works.
--
Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
jbell...@sprynet.com
Michael P. Stein
Perhaps he didn't post it for you, and you are being egotistical in
expecting him to post only what you are interested in? At least I can see
how _someone_ might learn something from what he quoted, which is more
than I can see for your announcements that you are going to post something
at a future date.
Michael P. Stein
In article <5her66$i19$3...@juliana.sprynet.com>,
<jbell...@sprynet.com> quoted my entire article in order to deliver
the one-line comment:
>Comment: The quotes are on the way today.
Comment: why not save bandwidth by making those quotes the followup to
the article, rather than the useless one-liner (and the even more useless
quotation of my entire article, including .sigfile, preceding it) telling
me there is another post coming today with the quotes? What is this, a
scavenger hunt?
Charles Power
In article <5hcnvg$n...@access4.digex.net>,
Michael P. Stein <mst...@access.digex.net> wrote:
> I _do_ trust you will give the source. Try to make it a real page
>reference. A few of the Talmud-bashers cite not just nonexistent pages,
>and not just things that aren't part of the talmud at all, but (as far as
>I can tell from the resources I can check) nonexistent works.
Aw, come on, Mike. Next thing you'll be telling us that the Necronomicon
and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion aren't authentic books of the
Talmud.
Fafner13
Aw, come on, Mike. Next thing you'll be telling us that the Necronomicon
and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion aren't authentic books of the
Talmud.
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Comment: I doubt whether Mike will say that, but I will say that some of
your posts belong in Anderson's Fairy Tales.
Sandra Huber
Just read the talmud and you will see that judaism is the most despicable
teachings to confront the World.
Sandra Huber
Doc Savage
On 26 Mar 1997 22:02:08 -0500, mst...@access4.digex.net (Michael P. Stein)
wrote:
>In article <5h7h81$il0$5...@juliana.sprynet.com>,
><jbell...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>>> david gehrig <dge...@cnsnet.net> writes:
>>> There are some good English translations available -- have a whack at it
>>> yourself, just pick a random volume, and see. If it really is the
>>> incredibly nasty, hate-filled book that anti-Semites so desperately want
>>> it to be, then you shouldn't have to read very long before spotting
>>> something bad.
>
> One of the problems is that it is very easy to take things out of
>context in a casual reading. Another is that the Talmud is not organized
>the way a modern legal code would be.
And another thing it is a piece of crap idolized by the superstitious
talmud-thumpers. The idea that they are laws is no different from the rituals of
a voodoo cult. It is all very silly, believed only by the braindead fundies of
the Talmud kind.
-----
If we are good enough to be hated, we are good enough to win.
Harry W. Mazal OBE
On 8 Apr 1997 12:42:46 GMT, EEG...@prodigy.com (Sandra Huber) wrote:
>Just read the talmud and you will see that judaism is the most despicable
>teachings to confront the World.
Oh, goody! The latest Huber-Nuisance to hit the 'Net, is suggesting
that this learned audience read the Talmud. Perhaps she would be so
kind as to tell us which particular version is her very own favorite.
Oddly enough, those who do spend a portion of their lives reading the
Talmud turn out to be rather nice chaps. Maybe Ms Huber and her tribe
should do as they say, not just ask that we do as they say.
Curious minds want to know why her male relatives hide behind a
woman's skirts. What's the matter? Has alt.revisionism proved too
tough a skirmish for the other EEGG87 Hubers thatthey send out a girl
to do their dirty work?
Harry W. Mazal OBE
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