How Zyclon got into the "gas chambers"
Ceacaa
From: mvana...@home.com (Mark Van Alstine )
Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999
> In article <19990223191428...@ng109.aol.com>,
> deppi...@aol.comx.y.z... (DeppityBob) wrote:
*"Concrete cover with metal handle, weighing about 20 kg, origionally made
*for the manhole of documents 44 and 45, now next to the remains of an
*opening on the roof of Leichenkeller 1 (the gas chamber) of Krematorium
*II, through which Zyklon-B was poured"
*Cf. Pressac, _Technique_, p.228,229.
[Ceacaa comments]
Revisionists say, " No holes, no Holocaust™". It was you who
claimed that a photograph of a manhole was a photograph of a
"zyclon induction vent".
In fact, there are no square holes in the roof of Leichenkeller 1 of
Krema II. Last summer, some Believers* even went to the "gas chamber"
to look. They haven't had the honesty to come clean but have obliquely
admitted the painful fact and now Vanalstine is backpedeling way from the
claim. First you have to admit the roof is there, Mark. Then there are
no square holes... little by little you are slipping toward the Truth.
*Keren and Finsten
[vanalstine]
From the deposition of Henryk Tauber, Annex 18 to Volume XI of the Ho"ss Trial:
<begin quote>
...Through the window of the <<boiler room>>, I observed how the
<<Cyklon>> [Zyklon-B] was poured intot he gas chamber. Each transport was
followed by a vehicle with Red Cross markings which entered the yard of
the crematorium, carrying the camp doctor, Mengele, accompanied by
Rottenfu"hrer [corporal] Scheimetz. They took the cans of <<Cyklon>> from
the car and put them beside the small chimneys used to intriduce the
<<Cuklon>> into the gas chamber. There Scheimetz opened them with a
special cold chisel [with a ring of teeth at its head] and a hammer, then
poured the contents into the gas chamber. Then he closed the orifice with
a concrete [or wooden] cover. As there were four similar chimneys,
Scheimetz poured into each the contents contents of one of the smallest
cans of <<Cyklon>>, which had yellow labels pasted right around them.
Before opening the cans Scheimetz put on a gas mask which he wore while
opening the cans and pourin the product....
<end quote>
Source: Pressac, _Technique_, p.494.
According to Ho"ss:
<begin quote>
The door would be screwed shut and the waiting disinfectin squads would
immedialtely pour the gas [crystals] intot he vents in the ceiling of the
gas chamber down an air shaft which went to the floor. This ensured the
rapid distribution of the gas. The process could be observed through a
peephole in the door. Those standing next to the air shaft were killed
immediately. I can state that about one-third died immediately. The
remainder staggered about and began to scream and struggle for air. The
screaming, however, soon changed to gasping and in a few moments everyone
lay still....
<end quote>
Source: Ho"ss, _Death Dealer_, p.44.
See also:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/cyanide/zyklon/images/zyklon
-color-02.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/documents/pressac/insertion-
columns-detail.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/cyanide/zyklon/images/intro-
device-1.gif
[snip diversionary drivel]
ON TO THE INTERESTING STORY OF HOW ZYCLON GOT INTO THE GAS CHAMBERS
For a long time the Soviets promoted the story that the "gas chambers"
were hidden behind a "ring of Trees". The story has been promoted
by running dogs like vanalstine. Unfortunately for Believers in this submyth,
numerous contemprary groundlevel photographs show that the mini-myth is
an absurd fiction. Dogs like vanalstine seem to have retreated with their
"tales" between their legs.
But the tales now quoted by vanalstine show the method to the "Ring of
Trees" madness. The slightest consideration of the "eyewitness" accounts
should raise some questions. Secrecy and privacy among them.
1. The door would be screwed shut and the waiting disinfectin squads would
immedialtely pour the gas [crystals] intot he vents-
Ceacaa asks: How did the people waiting in gasmasks on the roof
communicate with the people "screwing" the door shut down in the basement
and inside the building? Obviously there needed to be some method of
communication. Scream up the stairway and out the window?
You Believers what to float any "theory" as to how your "gas chambers"
REALLY worked or... do you just what to ignore the problem?
2. Each transport was
followed by a vehicle with Red Cross markings which entered the yard of
the crematorium, carrying the camp doctor, Mengele, accompanied by
Rottenfu"hrer [corporal] Scheimetz. They took the cans of <<Cyklon>> from
the car and put them beside the small chimneys used to intriduce the
<<Cuklon>> into the gas chamber.
[Ceacaa asks]
This story raises lots of questions-
2A "Each" transport was attended by
Mengele..." can we all admit that this is impossible. Dep, Morris,
Vanalstine
other illuminati of Holocaust Belief? You guys don't REALLY believe that
Mengele was at "each" transport: Right?
2B What? The Red Cross vehicle drove around to the back of the building
to drop off its cans? Is that what you guys think this means? Please
help us with your interpretation. Please try to fit it into the actual layout
of Krema II and III. Thank you.
3. Then he closed the orifice with a concrete [or wooden] cover.
[Ceacaa comments]
Wooden? Why are you adding "wooden", Mark? Trying to "merge" testimony
or something?
Generally-
Let's see-The "secret" PLAN had Red Cross vehicles driving around,
a team of guys in gas masks with a "special cold chisel" chiseling open
cans and moving from vent to vent pouring zyclon into a little basket
to lower into the "gas chamber". All immediately after the "the door would be
screwed shut" inside the building in the basement. All in the rain, wind
or
snow and all in full view of the rest of the camp. ...hmmmm...quite a show!!!
It is easy to see why the Soviets felt that they needed to dream up the
Ring of Trees myth.
DeppityBob
>Subject: Re: Auschwitz: A Photographic History
>From: mvana...@home.com (Mark Van Alstine )
>Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999
>> In article <19990223191428...@ng109.aol.com>,
>> deppi...@aol.comx.y.z... (DeppityBob) wrote:
>
>*"Concrete cover with metal handle, weighing about 20 kg, origionally made
>*for the manhole of documents 44 and 45, now next to the remains of an
>*opening on the roof of Leichenkeller 1 (the gas chamber) of Krematorium
>*II, through which Zyklon-B was poured"
>
>*Cf. Pressac, _Technique_, p.228,229.
> [Ceacaa comments]
>Revisionists say, " No holes, no Holocaust™". It was you who
>claimed that a photograph of a manhole was a photograph of a
>"zyclon induction vent".
>In fact, there are no square holes in the roof of Leichenkeller 1 of
>Krema II. Last summer, some Believers* even went to the "gas chamber"
>to look. They haven't had the honesty to come clean but have obliquely
>admitted the painful fact and now Vanalstine is backpedeling way from the
>claim.
Then you have pertinent quotes and/or text to support that assertion?
Dep
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Mark Van Alstine
(Ceacaa) wrote:
[snip]
> Revisionists say, " No holes, no Holocaust™". It was you who
> claimed that a photograph of a manhole was a photograph of a
> "zyclon induction vent".
Mr. Allen, of course, is lying through his teeth. What I have _always_
claimed is that the Document 46 was, as stated by Pressac, a photo of a
Zyklon B vent in the _roof_ of L.Keller 1. The caption to the photo simply
states that a manhole cover was next to it:
<begin quote>
Concrete cover with metal handle, weighing about 20 kg, origionally made
for the manhole of documents 44 and 45, now next to the remains of an
opening on the roof of Leichenkeller 1 (the gas chamber) of Krematorium
II, through which Zyklon-B was poured
<end quote>
Source: Pressac, _Technique_, p.228,229.
The manhole in question (Document 44) is not in the _roof_ of L.Keller 1,
but in the _ground_ next to L.Keller 1 (also noted in the construction
drawings, btw):
<begin quote>
Entrance to the Leichenkeller 1 (gas chamber) sewer manhole, situated on
the outside, against the centre of the western wall. The top rung of the
metal ladder can be seen.
<end quote>
Source: Pressac, _Technique_, p.228,229.
From the above captions it is crystal clear that Pressac wrote that
Document 46 was a photo of a Zyklon B vent in the roof of L.Keller 1 and
Document 44 was a photo of a manhole next to L.Keller 1. How could Mr.
Allen be so dense as not to understand this? He does. The simple truth is
that Mr. Allen, unable to refute the photographic evidence I presented in
Document 46, lied about what I did and did not claim to make yet another
of his pathetic little strawmen to knock down.
Pretty typical behavior for a spineless "Revisonist scholar." Why am I
not suprised?
> In fact, there are no square holes in the roof of Leichenkeller 1 of
> Krema II....
Document 46 puts paid to that lie by Mr. Allen as well.
[snip]
Mark
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Steve Mock
> >Subject: Re: Auschwitz: A Photographic History
> >From: mvana...@home.com (Mark Van Alstine )
> >Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999
> >> In article <19990223191428...@ng109.aol.com>,
> >> deppi...@aol.comx.y.z... (DeppityBob) wrote:
> >
> >*"Concrete cover with metal handle, weighing about 20 kg, origionally made
> >*for the manhole of documents 44 and 45, now next to the remains of an
> >*opening on the roof of Leichenkeller 1 (the gas chamber) of Krematorium
> >*II, through which Zyklon-B was poured"
> >
> >*Cf. Pressac, _Technique_, p.228,229.
> > [Ceacaa comments]
> >Revisionists say, " No holes, no Holocaust™". It was you who
> >claimed that a photograph of a manhole was a photograph of a
> >"zyclon induction vent".
> >In fact, there are no square holes in the roof of Leichenkeller 1 of
> >Krema II. Last summer, some Believers* even went to the "gas chamber"
> >to look. They haven't had the honesty to come clean but have obliquely
> >admitted the painful fact and now Vanalstine is backpedeling way from the
> >claim.
>
> Then you have pertinent quotes and/or text to support that assertion?
>
> Dep
Well, speaking as one "Believer", I was just at Auschwitz this past
November, and saw these very holes which don't exist in Ceacaa's
universe. My photos are posted on Nizkor. Sorry about the snow, but it
does, you'll have to admit, cast these square holes in very sharp
relief.
Of course, Ceacaa has been saying that there are no holes on the roof
of L-keller 1 for at least a year that I know of, probably longer, and
has shown typical revisionist immunity to all concrete, photographic
evidence to the contrary that has repeatedly been shoved down his
throat. Good to see that some things never change.
Steve Mock
Ceacaa
From: Steve Mock <sm...@nizkor.org>
Date: Tue, Mar 2, 1999 22:59
Message-id: <36DCDDEF...@nizkor.org>
DeppityBob wrote:
Steve Mock
[Ceacaa comments]
Roof of Leichenkeller 1 of Krema II.
Square holes, eh? This I gotta see.
Can Steve be a little more specific on the
cite? I scan the Nizkor site every now and
then but missed Mock's work.
While you are at it Steve, can you please
tell us the number, size and location of "square" holes you saw? Thank you.
Generally the only hole you Belivers ever
talk about is the one big one at the
southwest corner of the roof. Let's
talk about them all Steve.
Ceacaa
(Ceacaa) wrote:
[snip]
> Revisionists say, " No holes, no Holocaust™". It was you who
> claimed that a photograph of a manhole was a photograph of a
> "zyclon induction vent".
Mr. Allen, of course, is lying through his teeth. What I have _always_
claimed is that the Document 46 was, as stated by Pressac, a photo of a
Zyklon B vent in the _roof_ of L.Keller 1. The caption to the photo simply
states that a manhole cover was next to it:
[Ceacaa comments]
Let's cut to the chase, Mark.
Do YOU, Mark Vanalstine, believe that Document 46
is really a picture of a existing square hole on the
existing roof of Leichenkeller 1 Krema II, ie. is
Pressac right?
Ie., is Pressac wrong on Doc. 46??
Steve Mock, we will need your services on this soon.
Please stand by.
Mark Van Alstine
(Ceacaa) wrote:
> Subject: Re: How Zyclon got into the "gas chambers"
> From: mvana...@home.com (Mark Van Alstine )
> Date: Tue, Mar 2, 1999
> (Ceacaa) wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Revisionists say, " No holes, no Holocaust™". It was you who
> > claimed that a photograph of a manhole was a photograph of a
> > "zyclon induction vent".
>
> Mr. Allen, of course, is lying through his teeth. What I have _always_
> claimed is that the Document 46 was, as stated by Pressac, a photo of a
> Zyklon B vent in the _roof_ of L.Keller 1. The caption to the photo simply
> states that a manhole cover was next to it:
> [Ceacaa comments]
> Let's cut to the chase, Mark.
Yes, let's. Why did you lie about what I said about Document 46, Mr. Allen?
Ceacaa
(Ceacaa) wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Revisionists say, " No holes, no Holocaust™". It was you who
> > claimed that a photograph of a manhole was a photograph of a
> > "zyclon induction vent".
>
> Mr. Allen, of course, is lying through his teeth. What I have _always_
> claimed is that the Document 46 was, as stated by Pressac, a photo of a
> Zyklon B vent in the _roof_ of L.Keller 1. The caption to the photo simply
> states that a manhole cover was next to it:
> [Ceacaa comments]
> Let's cut to the chase, Mark.
[Vanalstine]
Yes, let's. Why did you lie about what I said about Document 46, Mr. Allen?
[Ceacaa comments]
?????
Do you claim that document 46 pg. 228 in Technique
is a picture of the roof of a "vent hole" on the roof of Leichenkeller 1 Krema
II?
If you do not, we are on the same page.
If you think that it is, then you are claiming that
a manhole is a vent:
And it is time to educate you
to the fact that there are no square holes on the roof
of the "gaschamber".
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Mark Van Alstine
(Ceacaa) wrote:
> Subject: Re: How Zyclon got into the "gas chambers"
> From: mvana...@home.com (Mark Van Alstine )
> Date: Tue, Mar 2, 1999 10.16359...@ng106.aol.com>, cea...@aol.com
> (Ceacaa) wrote:
>
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > Revisionists say, " No holes, no Holocaust™". It was you who
> > > claimed that a photograph of a manhole was a photograph of a
> > > "zyclon induction vent".
> >
> > Mr. Allen, of course, is lying through his teeth. What I have _always_
> > claimed is that the Document 46 was, as stated by Pressac, a photo of a
> > Zyklon B vent in the _roof_ of L.Keller 1. The caption to the photo simply
> > states that a manhole cover was next to it:
> > [Ceacaa comments]
> > Let's cut to the chase, Mark.
> [Vanalstine]
> Yes, let's. Why did you lie about what I said about Document 46, Mr. Allen?
> [Ceacaa comments]
> ?????
It's quite simple, Mr. Allen. Document 46 is not a photo of a manhole and
I never claimed it was. Why did you lie about what I said about Document
46?
Steve Mock
> Subject: Re: How Zyclon got into the "gas chambers"
> From: Steve Mock <sm...@nizkor.org>
> Date: Tue, Mar 2, 1999 22:59
> Message-id: <36DCDDEF...@nizkor.org>
>
> DeppityBob wrote:
>
> > >Subject: Re: Auschwitz: A Photographic History
> > >From: mvana...@home.com (Mark Van Alstine )
> > >Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999
> > >> In article <19990223191428...@ng109.aol.com>,
> > >> deppi...@aol.comx.y.z... (DeppityBob) wrote:
> > >
> > >*"Concrete cover with metal handle, weighing about 20 kg, origionally made
> > >*for the manhole of documents 44 and 45, now next to the remains of an
> > >*opening on the roof of Leichenkeller 1 (the gas chamber) of Krematorium
> > >*II, through which Zyklon-B was poured"
> > >
> > >*Cf. Pressac, _Technique_, p.228,229.
> > > [Ceacaa comments]
> > >Revisionists say, " No holes, no Holocaust™". It was you who
> > >claimed that a photograph of a manhole was a photograph of a
> > >"zyclon induction vent".
> > >In fact, there are no square holes in the roof of Leichenkeller 1 of
> > >Krema II. Last summer, some Believers* even went to the "gas chamber"
> > >to look. They haven't had the honesty to come clean but have obliquely
> > >admitted the painful fact and now Vanalstine is backpedeling way from the
> > >claim.
> >
> > Then you have pertinent quotes and/or text to support that assertion?
> >
> > Dep
>
> Well, speaking as one "Believer", I was just at Auschwitz this past
> November, and saw these very holes which don't exist in Ceacaa's
> universe. My photos are posted on Nizkor. Sorry about the snow, but it
> does, you'll have to admit, cast these square holes in very sharp
> relief.
>
> Of course, Ceacaa has been saying that there are no holes on the roof
> of L-keller 1 for at least a year that I know of, probably longer, and
> has shown typical revisionist immunity to all concrete, photographic
> evidence to the contrary that has repeatedly been shoved down his
> throat. Good to see that some things never change.
>
> Steve Mock
> [Ceacaa comments]
> Roof of Leichenkeller 1 of Krema II.
>
> Square holes, eh? This I gotta see.
I already showed you a photo of one of these holes in the roof about six
months ago. As I recall, your only response was to write a silly little
poem along the lines that it wasn't really there.
In fact, when I posted that open invitation back in October for anyone
on this newsgroup to request what sort of photos they wanted me to take
at the Auschwitz-Birkenau site, I figured you'd be right up front
shouting, "show me those holes!". But I guess that would presume that
you really do want to see them if they are indeed there.
I've seen and photographed them. Pressac has seen and photographed
them. Any guide at the Auschwitz museum can point them out to you.
Hell, even *revisionists* such as John Ball have seen them and tried to
explain them away. But Ceacaa knows they're not there. Why? Because
HE SAYS SO! And he calls us, "Believers". Hah!
But perhaps we are the Believers, insofar as we believe the evidence of
our own eyes. Why does Ceacaa not believe his? Perhaps he realizes
that if he can deconstruct Holocaust historiography down to "No holes,
no Holocaust", we can turn his illogic back at him.
Holes. Therefore, Holocaust. Live with it.
> Can Steve be a little more specific on the
> cite? I scan the Nizkor site every now and
> then but missed Mock's work.
Then I suppose "every now and then" doesn't include the past two
months. Its been on the What's New page
(http://www.nizkor.org/whats-new.html) since January 8.
> While you are at it Steve, can you please
> tell us the number, size and location of "square" holes you saw? Thank you.
See for yourself:
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/auschwitz/1998-mock-images.html
Look for the ones labelled "krema2-xx.jpg"
> Generally the only hole you Belivers ever
> talk about is the one big one at the
> southwest corner of the roof. Let's
> talk about them all Steve.
Preparing your straw-man in advance, Ceacaa?
Steve Mock
Greg Raven
> (snip)
> <begin quote>
>
> Concrete cover with metal handle, weighing about 20 kg, origionally made
>
>
> Source: Pressac, _Technique_, p.228,229.
> (snip)
Wait a minute ... Are you saying that you think the morgue
(Leichenkeller) at the Auschwitz main camp, which has been characterized
as everything from a reconstruction to a total fraud, is in close enough
to the original condition that you can make a determination about its
use as a homicidal gas chamber?
If so, how do you do this, considering there are no plans, documents,
photos, or other contemporaneous evidence that shows this morgue in its
"gas chamber" configuration?
--
Greg Raven
Ceacaa
Ceacaa wrote:
[Mock]
*I already showed you a photo of one of these *holes in the roof about six
*months ago. As I recall, your only response *was to write a silly little
*poem along the lines that it wasn't really *there.
*In fact, when I posted that open invitation *back in October for anyone
*on this newsgroup to request what sort of *photos they wanted me to take
*at the Auschwitz-Birkenau site, I figured *you'd be right up front
*shouting, "show me those holes!". But I *guess that would presume that
*you really do want to see them if they are *indeed there.
[Ceacaa comments]
Silly poem? As silly as taking pictures of
building foundations in the snow?
Actually you did a pretty good job of
getting useful pictures
except that the buildings are covered in
snow and that allows you to be confused
on what you saw.
You didn't bother to go inside
the basement level of Krema II or III
did you? A shot of Krema III corpse
chute would have been nice.
Also a shot of the doorway of Krema V
proving my point that this krema had
a stoop- Your picture of Krema IV shows
it, but you know how Vanalstine natters
so.
Back to the vents
> Generally the only hole you Belivers ever
> talk about is the one big one at the
> southwest corner of the roof. Let's
> talk about them all Steve.
[Mock]
Preparing your straw-man in advance, Ceacaa?
[Ceacaa replies]
Actually I was wondering why you were
having such a hard time seeing the
difference between a square hole
and the two roundish holes in your
posted pictures. All the other
Believers aren't brazen enough to
claim that there are any square holes.
I did get that right, you don't claim to have found more than 2 holes?
It is also hard to tell the size from the
photographs-could you help us with
the size of the holes- (they weren't
different sizes were they?) (hint, yes]
Why pussyfoot around, Steve? There are
people out in cyberspace waiting for you
to impart some information about the
all important vent holes. Let's
try again:
1. Number
2. shape
3. size[s]
4. amount of rebar crossing each of the
holes.
5. Are the concrete vents still next to the
holes or have the Poles moved the
"covers" back to the manholes.*
6. Marks or signs of "little chimneys"
7. Signs or marks of attachments of
the "wire column"
*It is always interesting how the Polish
State Museum and Tourist Promotion
Board moves "artifacts" around to
amuse pilgrims.
>>
Ceacaa
Message-id: <mvanalstnot-03...@c678496-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com>
In article <19990303011720...@ng120.aol.com>, cea...@aol.com
(Ceacaa) wrote:
> Subject: Re: How Zyclon got into the "gas chambers"
> From: mvana...@home.com (Mark Van Alstine )
> Date: Tue, Mar 2, 1999 10.16359...@ng106.aol.com>, cea...@aol.com
> (Ceacaa) wrote:
>
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > Revisionists say, " No holes, no Holocaust™". It was you who
> > > claimed that a photograph of a manhole was a photograph of a
> > > "zyclon induction vent".
> >
> > Mr. Allen, of course, is lying through his teeth. What I have _always_
> > claimed is that the Document 46 was, as stated by Pressac, a photo of a
> > Zyklon B vent in the _roof_ of L.Keller 1. The caption to the photo simply
> > states that a manhole cover was next to it:
> > [Ceacaa comments]
> > Let's cut to the chase, Mark.
> [Vanalstine]
> Yes, let's. Why did you lie about what I said about Document 46, Mr. Allen?
> [Ceacaa comments]
> ?????
[Vanalstine]
It's quite simple, Mr. Allen. Document 46 is not a photo of a manhole and
I never claimed it was. Why did you lie about what I said about Document
46?
[Ceacaa comments]
?????
You have that bassackwards, Mark.
Document 46 is a picture of a manhole.
You have been claiming that it is a
picture of a "vent hole" on the
roof of Leichenkeller 1 Krema II.
Now, now, don't start to gibber at me
that I am lying, etc. Let's figure out
how to show Pressac's "document 46"
to someone who has been there, seen
it, and in whom you believe, or trust.
Which Beliver out there in cyberland
has Pressac's Technique and has
been on the roof of the "Great Gas Chamber"
of the Holocaust Story?
While we are waiting, why don't you
fax a copy of the picture to Keren
or Laura? I sure they would be happy
to confirm what I say.
Also, look at Steve Mock's pictures of
the foundations of Krema IV and V-
See the stoop I was trying to tell you
about-It is most obvious in the pictures
of Krema IV but I am sure you know
that Krema V was a mirror of Krema IV.
Mark Van Alstine
(Ceacaa) wrote:
[snip]
> You have that bassackwards, Mark.
> Document 46 is a picture of a manhole.
> You have been claiming that it is a
> picture of a "vent hole" on the
> roof of Leichenkeller 1 Krema II.
Evidently Mr. Allen has a quite severe reading comprehension problem.
(Which is unsuprising, actually, considering how far Mr. Allen has his
head up his ass.)
Once again, the caption to Document 46 states:
<begin quote>
Concrete cover with metal handle, weighing about 20 kg, origionally made
for the manhole of documents 44 and 45, now next to the remains of an
opening on the roof of Leichenkeller 1 (the gas chamber) of Krematorium
II, through which Zyklon-B was poured
<end quote>
Source: Pressac, _Technique_, p.228,229.
Now, what part of "the manhole of documents 44 and 45" does Mr. Allen not
understand? What part of "the remains of an opening on the roof of
Leichenkeller 1 (the gas chamber) of Krematorium II, through which
Zyklon-B was poured" does Mr. Allen not undserstand?
> Now, now, don't start to gibber at me
> that I am lying, etc.
But Mr. Allen _is_ lying. Unless of, course, he is too fucking stupid to
comprehend a caption to a photograph? (In which case, of course, he has no
business lecturing anybody on _anything_!)
To recap:
Document 46 shows a manhole cover (probably belonging to the manhole shown
in Document 44) on the roof next to a Zyklon B vent _in the roof_ of Krema
II's L.Keller 1. Yet Mr. Allen, by dint of his insuffrable stupidity and
monumental ego, has the audacity to claim that, in spite of what Pressac
wrote, that this hole which, lest we forget, is _in the roof of Krema II's
L.Keller 1_ is a _manhole_? Amazing. Perhaps Mr. Allen would care to
explain what a _sewer manhole_ would be in the roof of L.Keller 1? Right
where no sewer manhole is indicated in the drainage plan (Bauleitung
Drawing 1300) for Krema II?
Steve Mock
> <<Subject: Re: How Zyclon got into the "gas chambers"
> From: Steve Mock <sm...@nizkor.org>
> Date: Wed, Mar 3, 1999
> Ceacaa wrote:
>
> > > >
> > > >*Cf. Pressac, _Technique_, p.228,229.
> > > > [Ceacaa comments]
> > > >Revisionists say, " No holes, no Holocaust™". It was you who
> > > >claimed that a photograph of a manhole was a photograph of a
> > > >"zyclon induction vent".
Yes, Ceacaa. I apologize for the weather. The fact that it snowed
during my brief stay in Poland is indeed proof that the Holocaust is a
hoax.
I am hoping to go back this summer to do a more thorough job of it, so
this time get your requests to me in advance.
> Actually you did a pretty good job of
> getting useful pictures
> except that the buildings are covered in
> snow and that allows you to be confused
> on what you saw.
Oh, of course. You're the ultimate authority. How silly of me to have
asked the people who work and study at the site itself, rather than you.
> > Generally the only hole you Belivers ever
> > talk about is the one big one at the
> > southwest corner of the roof. Let's
> > talk about them all Steve.
> [Mock]
> Preparing your straw-man in advance, Ceacaa?
> [Ceacaa replies]
> Actually I was wondering why you were
> having such a hard time seeing the
> difference between a square hole
> and the two roundish holes in your
> posted pictures. All the other
> Believers aren't brazen enough to
> claim that there are any square holes.
Amazing how quickly you shift gears without even an apology. As I
recall, your earlier line was that there were *NO* holes in the roof of
L-keller 1. Now that this has been proven completely and spectacularly
false, you behave as though you never said it to begin with, and
effortlessly switch to arguing that they aren't the RIGHT kind of holes.
I don't think that you and I are looking at the same pictures. Where,
exactly, are these two "roundish" holes? krema2-04.jpg and
krema2-05.jpg show the hole of which you spoke in the southwest corner.
Now, granted, it might not be a square in the strictly geometric sense
of the word - ie. four perfectly straight sides of identical length at
perfect right angles to one another - but, funny that, dynamite and 55
years of erosion tend to have their effect on geometry.
What these pictures do show is a hole in the roof of L-keller 1 (the
room whose roof you claimed had no holes) that could very well have
served as an vent through which Zyklon B was inserted into the
introduction column. Would you care to make an argument otherwise?
Would you care to deny that your earlier argument relied on the
assertion that a hole such as this did not exist?
Steve Mock
Steve Mock
> Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > (snip)
> > <begin quote>
> >
> > Concrete cover with metal handle, weighing about 20 kg, origionally made
> > for the manhole of documents 44 and 45, now next to the remains of an
> > opening on the roof of Leichenkeller 1 (the gas chamber) of Krematorium
> > II, through which Zyklon-B was poured
> >
> > <end quote>
> >
> > Source: Pressac, _Technique_, p.228,229.
> > (snip)
>
> Wait a minute ... Are you saying that you think the morgue
> (Leichenkeller) at the Auschwitz main camp,
Surely you know that Krema II is in Auschwitz-Birkenau, not in the main
camp.
> which has been characterized
> as everything from a reconstruction to a total fraud,
Leaving aside the fact that you're referring to an entirely different
structure, I don't see how the ways in which this building has been
"characterized" are relevant.
> is in close enough
> to the original condition that you can make a determination about its
> use as a homicidal gas chamber?
Are you saying that one cannot derive valuable information by examining
the physical remains of these sites in conjunction to the original
construction documents?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you're not really Greg
Raven.
Steve Mock
Mark Van Alstine
[snip]
> Wait a minute ... Are you saying that you think the morgue
> (Leichenkeller) at the Auschwitz main camp, which has been characterized
> as everything from a reconstruction to a total fraud, is in close enough
> to the original condition that you can make a determination about its
> use as a homicidal gas chamber?
What I am saying that is that Mr. Allen lied through his teeth about
Document 46 and my presentation of it.
> If so, how do you do this, considering there are no plans, documents,
> photos, or other contemporaneous evidence that shows this morgue in its
> "gas chamber" configuration?
More to the point, how does Mr. Raven explain Mr. Allen's bald lies
concerning Document 46?
Ceacaa
Date: Wed, Mar 3, 1999 20:22
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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> (snip)
> <begin quote>
>
> Concrete cover with metal handle, weighing about 20 kg, origionally made
> for the manhole of documents 44 and 45, now next to the remains of an
> opening on the roof of Leichenkeller 1 (the gas chamber) of Krematorium
> II, through which Zyklon-B was poured
>
> <end quote>
>
> Source: Pressac, _Technique_, p.228,229.
> (snip)
Wait a minute ... Are you saying that you think the morgue
(Leichenkeller) at the Auschwitz main camp, which has been characterized
as everything from a reconstruction to a total fraud, is in close enough
to the original condition that you can make a determination about its
use as a homicidal gas chamber?
If so, how do you do this, considering there are no plans, documents,
photos, or other contemporaneous evidence that shows this morgue in its
"gas chamber" configuration?
--
Greg Raven
--------------
[Ceacaa comments]
Mr. Raven raises an interesting point-
How do you Believers* claim that the
Germans got the cyanide gas OUT of
the Krema I "gas chamber"?
As you all should know the alleged
"gas chamber" had two doors-one to the
outside and one into the crematorium
room-and no windows.
*some of the more educated Believers
have quitely dropped Krema I as having
been a "gas chamber".
Ceacaa
[snip]
What I am saying that is that Mr. Allen lied through his teeth about
Document 46 and my presentation of it.
> If so, how do you do this, considering there are no plans, documents,
> photos, or other contemporaneous evidence that shows this morgue in its
> "gas chamber" configuration?
[vanalstine
*More to the point, how does
*Mr. Raven explain Mr. Allen's bald lies
*concerning Document 46?
*Mark
[Ceacaa replies]
Mark-You seem to be having a lot of
trouble with this Document 46.
You believe that it is a picture of a
"zyclon vent" on the roof of Leichenkeller
1, Krema II, Correct? Am I lying about
that?
In fact, it is NOT a picture taken on the
roof but a picture of a manhole.
Since you are having trouble with Pressac's
caption of the photograph-
The photograph was taken to show the
concrete lids next to the manhole to
show where they came from.
The Poles used to keep them next to the
two chipped in circular holes pretend
vent holes. Pressac disagrees with
that little piece of Polish "showmanship".
There are no square holes in the roof of
Leichenkeller 1 Krema II.
Ask Keren or Laura-they spent some time
last Sept trying to explain the fact.
In short, you are being a dummy again-
all based on your "reading" of Pressac.
Ceacaa
(Ceacaa) wrote:
[snip]
> You have that bassackwards, Mark.
> Document 46 is a picture of a manhole.
> You have been claiming that it is a
> picture of a "vent hole" on the
> roof of Leichenkeller 1 Krema II.
[Vanalstine]
Evidently Mr. Allen has a quite severe reading comprehension problem.
(Which is unsuprising, actually, considering how far Mr. Allen has his
head up his ass.)
Once again, the caption to Document 46 states:
<begin quote>
Concrete cover with metal handle, weighing about 20 kg, origionally made
for the manhole of documents 44 and 45, now next to the remains of an
opening on the roof of Leichenkeller 1 (the gas chamber) of Krematorium
II, through which Zyklon-B was poured
<end quote>
Source: Pressac, _Technique_, p.228,229.
Now, what part of "the manhole of documents 44 and 45" does Mr. Allen not
understand? What part of "the remains of an opening on the roof of
Leichenkeller 1 (the gas chamber) of Krematorium II, through which
Zyklon-B was poured" does Mr. Allen not undserstand?
> Now, now, don't start to gibber at me
> that I am lying, etc.
But Mr. Allen _is_ lying. Unless of, course, he is too fucking stupid to
comprehend a caption to a photograph? (In which case, of course, he has no
business lecturing anybody on _anything_!)
To recap:
Document 46 shows a manhole cover (probably belonging to the manhole shown
in Document 44) on the roof next to a Zyklon B vent _in the roof_ of Krema
II's L.Keller 1. Yet Mr. Allen, by dint of his insuffrable stupidity and
monumental ego, has the audacity to claim that, in spite of what Pressac
wrote, that this hole which, lest we forget, is _in the roof of Krema II's
L.Keller 1_ is a _manhole_? Amazing. Perhaps Mr. Allen would care to
explain what a _sewer manhole_ would be in the roof of L.Keller 1? Right
where no sewer manhole is indicated in the drainage plan (Bauleitung
Drawing 1300) for Krema II?
[snip]
Mark
[Ceacaa replies]
O, dear, I can see that you need alot of help
with this, Mark.
It is interesting that you place such
fervent belief in your "reading" of the
caption. Let me start helping you
with a simple question which will
explain the photograph and caption.
Does Pressac believe that the
20 kg. Concrete covers were the
ones actually used to close your "vents"
or does he think that someone
moved them to the two "holes" on the
roof after the War?
It should give you a strong hint that the
"covers" seem to have been taken off of
the roof and put back where they belong.
Maybe you should go visit Birkenau. It
would save us all alot of wasted time.
Mark Van Alstine
(Ceacaa) wrote:
[snip]
> Mark-You seem to be having a lot of
> trouble with this Document 46.
On the contrary, I have no trouble with it all. Mr. Allen does because it
contradicts his crackpot denier beliefs and that is why Mr. Allen is lying
about Document 46.
> You believe that it is a picture of a
> "zyclon vent" on the roof of Leichenkeller
> 1, Krema II, Correct? Am I lying about
> that?
>
> In fact, it is NOT a picture taken on the
> roof but a picture of a manhole.
...And _that_ is Mr. Allen's lie. Pressac clearly states, in black and
white, that the Document 46 is a photo of "the remains of an opening on
the roof of Leichenkeller 1 (the gas chamber) of Krematorium II, through
which Zyklon-B was poured."
What is there about "on the roof of Leichenkeller 1" that Mr. Allen does
not understand?
> Since you are having trouble with Pressac's
> caption of the photograph-
> The photograph was taken to show the
> concrete lids next to the manhole to
> show where they came from.
Mr. Allen is lying through his teeth. The caption to Document 46 clearly
states that the concrete cover was "origionally made for the manhole of
documents 44 and 45."
What is there about "origionally made for the manhole of documents 44 and
45" that Mr. Allen does not understand?
[snip]
Mark Van Alstine
(Ceacaa) wrote:
[snip]
> Does Pressac believe that the
> 20 kg. Concrete covers were the
> ones actually used to close your "vents"
> or does he think that someone
> moved them to the two "holes" on the
> roof after the War?
Not pretending to being able to Pressac's mind I, unlike Mr. Allen, must
rely on what Pressac actually wrote:
<begin quote>
Concrete cover with metal handle, weighing about 20 kg, origionally made
for the manhole of documents 44 and 45, now next to the remains of an
opening on the roof of Leichenkeller 1 (the gas chamber) of Krematorium
II, through which Zyklon-B was poured.
<end quote>
Source: Pressac, _Technique_, p.228,229.
Now, it is quite clear that Pressac thinks the concrete cover in Document
46 was "origionally made for the manhole of documents 44 and 45." Not the
Zyklon B vent hole in Document 46 but the manhole in document 44 and 45.
Moreover, there is no mention that the concrete cover was used to close
the "opening on the roof of Leichenkeller 1 (the gas chamber) of
Krematorium II, through which Zyklon-B was poured." Ergo, I think it is
safe to conclude that Mr. Allen is trying to knock down a denier strawman
of his own construction.
> It should give you a strong hint that the
> "covers" seem to have been taken off of
> the roof and put back where they belong.
Actually, Mr. Allen's silly lies give me a strong hint that he is as
looney as Jew-hating Joe.
> Maybe you should go visit Birkenau. It
> would save us all alot of wasted time.
Maybe Mr. Allen should seek psychiatric help. It would save us all a lot
of wasted time.
Mark
Ceacaa
Date: Thu, Mar 4, 1999 wrote:
> Ceacaa wrote:
[Mock]
*Yes, Ceacaa. I apologize for the weather. The fact that it snowed
*during my brief stay in Poland is indeed proof that the Holocaust is a
*hoax.
[Ceacaa comments]
Uh, no, but it is an indication that you could have chosen a better time to
travel 6,000 miles to take pictures.
[Mock]
*I am hoping to go back this summer to do a more thorough job of it, so
*this time get your requests to me in advance.
[Ceacaa replies]
Thank you. I will make a list and post it under a seperate thread if it
is helpful to you. I think it would be a useful endeavor.
> Actually you did a pretty good job of
> getting useful pictures
> except that the buildings are covered in
> snow and that allows you to be confused
> on what you saw.
[Mock]
*Oh, of course. You're the ultimate authority. How silly of me to have
*asked the people who work and study at the site itself, rather than you.
[Ceacaa]
Well, I could have told you that it snows in Poland in winter.
The "people who work and study at the site itself" are usually a better
source of most documentary information than I but please remember that they
have been involved in various acts of "showmanship" regarding the artifacts.
They all make their living off of the "tourist site" and would like a
Revisionist
as much as Martha's Vinyard would like a shark.
Still they hold various useful records relating to the operation of the
camp. The costs of the vast Central Sauna would be useful to get
[Ceacaa wrote]
> > Generally the only hole you Belivers ever
> > talk about is the one big one at the
> > southwest corner of the roof. Let's
> > talk about them all Steve.
> [Mock]
> Preparing your straw-man in advance, Ceacaa?
> [Ceacaa replies]
> Actually I was wondering why you were
> having such a hard time seeing the
> difference between a square hole
> and the two roundish holes in your
> posted pictures. All the other
> Believers aren't brazen enough to
> claim that there are any square holes.
[Mock]
*Amazing how quickly you shift gears without even an apology. As I
*recall, your earlier line was that there were *NO* holes in the roof of
*L-keller 1. Now that this has been proven completely and spectacularly
*false, you behave as though you never said it to begin with, and
*effortlessly switch to arguing that they aren't the RIGHT kind of holes.
[Ceacaa replies]
There are several "holes" in the roof. Most are along the western and
eastern edges of the roof. Everyone seems to agree that these were
never "vent holes". Believers focus on two (or sometimes) three holes
which are "sort of in the center of the roof. The Polish people who work and
study at the site itself used to put concrete manhole covers next to
the two southern most holes to "imply" that these were "vent covers".
They seemed to have removed them since the sophistication of the tourists
has increased.
The southern most hole is the largest with the re-bar clipped but still
showing. I have been through the hole. So has Laura Finsten- She posted that
the hole is not square (She claims that it was blown into a round shape from
the
blast)
The other "vent holes" are ignored by Believers because the are small
(about 20 cm) and have the rebar still in the hole (It has been clipped and
bent out of the way). It would require the most devout Believer to claim
that they were really "vent holes".
When you go back in Summer, you should take close ups of all the holes
you claim are vents. Please make sure to show all the traces of support
attachments for the "chimneys" and the wire columns!!
[Mock]
*I don't think that you and I are looking at the same pictures. Where,
*exactly, are these two "roundish" holes? krema2-04.jpg and
*krema2-05.jpg show the hole of which you spoke in the southwest corner.
*Now, granted, it might not be a square in the strictly geometric sense
*of the word - ie. four perfectly straight sides of identical length at
*perfect right angles to one another - but, funny that, dynamite and 55
*years of erosion tend to have their effect on geometry.
[Ceacaa comments]
Well, talk about shifting gears, Senor Sprocket, squares are like
something in a geometric sense and if they are not square in a geometric
sense then they ain't square.
I do not mean to bicker over definitions but there is an important reason to
discuss the shape of the holes. It relates to the fact that there are
no bolt holes or means of attachment around the "holes". Revisionists
ask, "How were your porous pillars attached?"
The most advanced Believer theory on the matter is that the "pillars"
extended up into the vent holes and were "tightly held in place" by
the vent holes and chimney. If the vents ("if" I say! No.) Since the holes
ARE irregular in shape it is impossible to claim that a square
"porous pillar" fitted tightly into the hole.
[Mock]
*What these pictures do show is a hole in the roof of L-keller 1 (the
*room whose roof you claimed had no holes) that could very well have
*served as an vent through which Zyklon B was inserted into the
*introduction column. Would you care to make an argument otherwise?
*Would you care to deny that your earlier argument relied on the
*assertion that a hole such as this did not exist?
*Steve Mock
[Ceacaa replies]
"could very well have served"?
Any old hole is "good enough" for Steve Mock, is that what you are
saying?
Stop! Take a deep breath and Think scientifically! Think empirically.
That means gatherings facts about the "holes" to honestly see if they
"could very well have served as "vent holes".
What kind of facts, you might ask? Well, here is a friendly challenge, Mr.
Mock:
Who can think of the most relevant questions to ask about the "holes".
Simple questions regarding the present physical evidence ie.,
the size, or the shape, indications of the method of creation like chipping
or clipped re-bar, questions which would relate to
whether the holes could have been "vent holes".
There are several reasons to formulate these questions:
1. These holes are the alleged "murder weapon" of the Holocaust and are
worth the study;
2. Believers have "accepted" the holes as vents but never applied
this type of analysis to them;
3. An understanding of the question will help you take even better pictures
next summer.
O.K.?
Then we can try to answer the questions.
Ceacaa
(Ceacaa) wrote:
[snip]
> Does Pressac believe that the
> 20 kg. Concrete covers were the
> ones actually used to close your "vents"
> or does he think that someone
> moved them to the two "holes" on the
> roof after the War?
Not pretending to being able to Pressac's mind I, unlike Mr. Allen, must
rely on what Pressac actually wrote:
<begin quote>
Concrete cover with metal handle, weighing about 20 kg, origionally made
for the manhole of documents 44 and 45, now next to the remains of an
opening on the roof of Leichenkeller 1 (the gas chamber) of Krematorium
II, through which Zyklon-B was poured.
<end quote>
Source: Pressac, _Technique_, p.228,229.
[Ceacaa comments]
Why are you dodging the question?
Tell us what you think about the
concrete "covers". I would say that
Does Pressac does not believe that the
Concrete covers were the
ones actually used to close your "vents".
ergo
someone moved them to the two "holes" on the
roof after the War.
Ceacaa
[snip]
> Does Pressac believe that the
> 20 kg. Concrete covers were the
> ones actually used to close your "vents"
> or does he think that someone
> moved them to the two "holes" on the
> roof after the War?
Not pretending to being able to Pressac's mind I, unlike Mr. Allen, must
rely on what Pressac actually wrote:
Now, it is quite clear that Pressac thinks the concrete cover in Document
46 was "origionally made for the manhole of documents 44 and 45." Not the
Zyklon B vent hole in Document 46 but the manhole in document 44 and 45.
Moreover, there is no mention that the concrete cover was used to close
the "opening on the roof of Leichenkeller 1 (the gas chamber) of
Krematorium II, through which Zyklon-B was poured." Ergo, I think it is
safe to conclude that Mr. Allen is trying to knock down a denier strawman
of his own construction.>>
[Ceacaa replies]
Good, Mark. Pressac has uncovered
a bit of Polish "showmanship" ie. the
placing of manhole covers next to the
"vents" creating the implication that these
were the "vent" covers. * Do you agree with
me that this is Pressac's position?**
Then we can move on to the next step
as to why Pressac took the picture
of the manhole cover next to a manhole.
The answer is soooo obvious I wonder
why you can't see it.
* the creation of "images" by the Polish
State Museum & Tourist Promotion Board
is worth a thread in itself.
**whether Mark agrees with this position is
a different question which doesn't relate
to what Pressac intended to show in the
picture. The obvious fact is that there
are no square holes in the roof of Leichen-
keller 1 Krema II. Document 46 shows
a perfectly square hole made of
poured-in-place concrete with a concrete
manhole place next to it. Poor deluded
Mark is convinced that the picture was
taken on the roof of Leichenkeller 1.
Rather than call some other Believers
who have "been there" and know better
(Keren or Ms. Finsten)
he continues to defend his "theory" based
on his reading of a single Pressac
caption (or actually a translation of it).
The words "Believer fanatic" come to
mind.
John Morris
05:09:22 GMT, cea...@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:
[snip]
>Well, talk about shifting gears, Senor Sprocket, squares are like
>something in a geometric sense and if they are not square in a geometric
>sense then they ain't square.
>I do not mean to bicker over definitions but there is an important reason to
>discuss the shape of the holes.
Yes. It is quite apparent from this thread that you require nothing
short of a miracle. You require a Miracle Hole that remained square
and regular despite more than fifty years of weathering and despite
the roof having been dynamited.
You are like one of those atheists who desperately wants a miracle so
that he can have faith. It is you, after all, who has characterized
the debate as one between atheists (Deniers) and the faithful
(Believers) with your incessant sneers at the honesty and rationality
of your debating opponents.
> It relates to the fact that there are
>no bolt holes or means of attachment around the "holes". Revisionists
>ask, "How were your porous pillars attached?"
And you have been given plausible and reasonable answers several
times. But since they lack the quality of miraculousness, you act as
if no one has ever responded.
> The most advanced Believer theory on the matter is that the "pillars"
>extended up into the vent holes and were "tightly held in place" by
>the vent holes and chimney. If the vents ("if" I say! No.) Since the holes
>ARE irregular in shape it is impossible to claim that a square
>"porous pillar" fitted tightly into the hole.
I don't see why they had to fit tightly at all, or why they had to be
fixed to anything. It is not as if people would rush towards a source
of poison and damage the metal column, and it is not as if a porous
metal column would afford any protection from gas leakage whether it
fit snugly or not.
> [Mock]
>*What these pictures do show is a hole in the roof of L-keller 1 (the
>*room whose roof you claimed had no holes) that could very well have
>*served as an vent through which Zyklon B was inserted into the
>*introduction column. Would you care to make an argument otherwise?
>*Would you care to deny that your earlier argument relied on the
>*assertion that a hole such as this did not exist?
>*Steve Mock
> [Ceacaa replies]
> "could very well have served"?
> Any old hole is "good enough" for Steve Mock, is that what you are
>saying?
Any old hole lying approximately adjacent to the first and third
support pillars of the roof counting from the south.
Two such holes exist. Neither has rebar traversing it or rebar bent up
from within. Both show signs of being cleanly cut but also of having
been damaged by weathering and the original blast. The remainder of
the roof is too badly damaged and covered by rubble to see if there
are holes adjacent to the fith and seventh pillars.
I have that on the authority of at least two people who have been
there and measured the roof, and I offer it recognizing that it falls
far short of the desired miracle.
>Stop! Take a deep breath and Think scientifically! Think empirically.
>That means gatherings facts about the "holes" to honestly see if they
>"could very well have served as "vent holes".
The basic requirement would be the absence of the ambient concrete
material such that objects smaller than the perimeter of the absence
could pass wholly through.
>What kind of facts, you might ask? Well, here is a friendly challenge, Mr.
>Mock:
>Who can think of the most relevant questions to ask about the "holes".
Far and away the most sensible question is why Andrew Allen has made
this topic his personal obsession for more than three years on
alt.revisionism, why he thinks the historicity of complex events is
determined by meditation on a slab of concrete in a Polish field while
he awaits a miracle.
>Simple questions regarding the present physical evidence ie.,
>the size, or the shape, indications of the method of creation like chipping
>or clipped re-bar, questions which would relate to
>whether the holes could have been "vent holes".
>There are several reasons to formulate these questions:
>1. These holes are the alleged "murder weapon" of the Holocaust and are
> worth the study;
>2. Believers have "accepted" the holes as vents but never applied
> this type of analysis to them;
>3. An understanding of the question will help you take even better pictures
> next summer.
>O.K.?
>Then we can try to answer the questions.
Why? It won't make any difference to you.
I suggest you pray to the Ineffable Rassinier for a sign.
--
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
Daniel Keren
heavily damaged, as the SS dynamited it before they fled
(of course, one may ask, if the Krema complex was "innocent",
as the "revisionist" claim, why didn't the SS let it stand,
as proof that it had no criminal purpose? But let's move on).
Nonetheless, the remains of two square holes can be
identified. One is very easy to locate, as it is in the
part of the roof which was damaged the least. The explosion
tore out some roof material next to it, but one can see
the exact location of the square hole by the missing rebar.
The second hole is in an area which was far more damaged;
nonetheless, the square cuts and the rebar nicely bent
inwards are visible (obviously, the explosion would not
bend the rebar inside; this was done in order to make
it easier to place the column via which the Zyklon was
inserted).
These two holes are in the southern part of the roof. The
northern part is too damaged to trace the location of the
holes.
See photographs which I took, in
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/images/1998, files
roof-chamber-1.jpg, roof-chamber-1.jpg, roof-chamber-1.jpg;
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/images/1998/
hole-roof-1.jpg, hole-roof-2.jpg
-Danny Keren.
Mark Van Alstine
(Ceacaa) wrote:
[snip]
> Why are you dodging the question?
Why did Mr. Allen lie about what both Pressac wrote in the caption to
Document 46 and what I wrote about it?
> Tell us what you think about the
> concrete "covers".
Perhaps Mr. Allen will tell us why he lied about what both Pressac wrote
in the caption to Document 46 and what I wrote about it?
> I would say that
> Does Pressac does not believe that the
> Concrete covers were the
> ones actually used to close your "vents".
> ergo
> someone moved them to the two "holes" on the
> roof after the War.
And? Does Mr. Allen have a point? Or is he simply grasping at straws again?
The simple fact remains, despite Mr. Allen's pathetic squirming and absurd
lies, that Document 46 shows a square hole cut in the roof of Krema II's
L.Keller 1 right about where, according to both eyewitnesses and the
photographs, one would expect it.
[snip]
Mark Van Alstine
(Ceacaa) wrote:
[snip]
> Good, Mark. Pressac has uncovered
> a bit of Polish "showmanship" ie. the
> placing of manhole covers next to the
> "vents" creating the implication that these
> were the "vent" covers.
Rather, the only "showmanship" evident here is Mr. Allen's lame denier dog
and pony show. Mr. Allen would have made a fine snake oil salesman.
* Do you agree with
> me that this is Pressac's position?**
No.
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As I understand it, although remedial, is Teflon coats porous surfaces. It
keeps ingredients particles from slipping into microscopic holes in the
surface of metal or other cooking utensils. It is basically a low friction
coating, which separates the ingredients from the metal.
Hope this helps in some way.
Sincerely,
DJ Foodie
Host, The MasterCook Show, LIVE (M/F Noon to 2 PM, Pacific Time)
http://www.talkspot.com/chan_lifeExpo.html
Ceacaa
On 1999-02-25 wste...@hi.net(WardStewart) said:
>Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:49:27 -0700, "To_Think"
><To_T...@nospam.mindspring.com> wrote:
>>Does a pressure rice cooker cook faster than a regular cooker?
>>I think so, but I just wanted to make sure.
>If you are referring to the relatively expensive models with the
>sealing top and the keep-warm buttons they do not cook faster --
>they do, however, maintain the rice warm and moist all day so that
I'm not aware of a sealed and pressurized rice cooker, like a
conventional pressure cooker. How would you know when the rice
finished cooking? With the regular rice cookers it is automatic -
that is they switch to keep warm when done. Also you can peek in
when you want. Doesn't seem practical to me. Just how *do* they
work? The Paperboy
Mark Van Alstine
wrote:
>I'm tired...been recovering from a bad bout with bronchitis, so I feel that certain
>misunderstandings are probably as much my fault as anybody's. Not the stuff about
>fèves au lard, though...I`m right there, and in the immortal words of Mrs. Slocum: "I
>am unanimous in that!" :-)
>
>Anyway, I'm going to take a week's break, get some more sleep, maybe get that
>response to Harry written (sorry I haven't yet, but you know, I`m sure, that life has
>a way of eating up your spare time), play a few wargame scenarios, and be back soon
>to taunt you one more time! :-)
>
>
We'll live. We have no sympathy & will trade places.
Harry Demidavicius
whose SIL is "down" big time; whose dghtr is down "getting into 'big
time', Whose 3 yr old ruglet is on the chicken pox run; whose older
ruglet is Healthy! and whose wife has just started to snuffle & cough
"big time".
Mark Van Alstine
clara wrote:
> So, what might an Alice in Wonderland Rose Garden be?
>
> Perhaps a sheltered place, enclosed by a tall fence or hedge. The
> entrance would be an arbor of red roses and white roses that started off
> being very tall and got to be, well, shorter -- like falling down the
> rabbit hole.
> Anyway, I’m looking for thoughts and suggestions anyone might have.
1. No rabbits. They're evil. The little beasts have eaten every lateral in
my garden they could get their yellow little incisors on.
2. Better have Victoriana.Gazing globes?
3. Red and white are good ideas. I'd add pink flamingoes and croquet hoops
as bed edges.
4. Bleach your hair blondeblonde, wear pigtails and a blue dress
5. Big floppy hybrid perpetuals (Frau Karl D. Roger L)
--
John
Mark Van Alstine
: Does anybody know recipes of Teneriffa Mojos? How to make them.!
:
Do you, perchance, refer to small boiled potatoes served with salsa de
mojo, a Canary Islands specialty? If so, here's a recipe for the sauce-
2 or 3 large cloves of garlic
1 tsp. cumin seed
1 tsp. paprika
olive oil
vinegar
pinch of thyme
Crush the garlic and cumin in a mortar until finely pulped. Add paprika
and thyme and crush some more. Slowly add olive oil while stirring and
then 2 tsp. of vinegar which should give you a thick sauce. Thin it down
with 1/3 cup of warm water or to taste. Let cool before serving. (This
is from A. MacMiadhachian's Regional Spanish Cooking)
D.M.
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cornichon
cornichon [KOR-nih-shohn ; kor-nee-SHOHN ] French for "gherkin,"
cornichons are crisp, tart pickles made from tiny gherkin cucumbers.
They're a traditional accompaniment to PÂTÉS as well as smoked meats
and fish.
from THE FOOD LOVER'S COMPANION, 2nd edition,
by Sharon Tyler Herbst, Barron's Educational Services, Inc.
GL
--
Paul W2SYF/4 Ft Lauderdale
"Heisenberg may have slept here... "
Leslie Paul Davies
lpda...@bc.seflin.org
Mark Van Alstine
>
> dajazlvr wrote:
> >
> > What is sweet curry powder and where can I find it? I'm in the DC area.
> > There's plenty of Indian curry powder here.
> >
> > Kate B wrote in message <36DE8CAA...@wwa.com>...
> >
> > >1 1/2 tsp sweet curry powder
> > >1 1/2 tsp orange zest, chopped
> > >
> > >
>
> I had never heard of it myself before making this recipe. I don't know
> where my friend purchased it but I can ask her (we made these desserts
> at her home). She had a jar of "sweet" and another jar of "hot" curry
> powder. She explained, if I remember correctly, that the difference
> between the two is the "sweet" does not contain chile peppers of any
> kind. The "sweet" still has some heat to it but not as much as the
> "hot". The jar she had said "sweet" but not all sweet curry is so
> labeled. I think you need to check out the ingredients and buy one that
> doesn't have chilies as a component.
>
> Kate
Penzey's sells a "Sweet Curry" powder. I use this a lot because I
like spicy but not hot.
Charlie
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> Crash has been wondering if anyone has the recipe for "toast." This seems
> like the perfect time to ask.
>
First install your AGA....
- Rebecca
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>I won't condemn it this year as its its first year in and did suffer
>a bit of abandonment (the whole garden did) due to unexpected
>happenings.
>You can get bum plants too, as we discovered with a Sharifa Asma.
Thanks, Alan -- glad to hear it's not so bad after all, now I feel all guilty
anyway, having asked about it ; ) In my garden, Sam's roses have fared
significantly better than just about any others in the disease department, but
no new rose likes to experience abandonment -- oh oh, this is going to get me
started on how roses are like people -- never mind!
Judy
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> > Alessio wrote:
> >
> >All this May be true in the States.....but may not apply to other
> >countries in the world....
> >
> >--
>
> Well, what do they put in Baking Powder where you live?
>
> This is what is in three different products in my kitchen:
>
> 1. Rumford Baking Power: "Calcium Acid Phosphate, Bicarbonate of Soda,
> Corn Starch"
>
> 2. Aunt Jemina Buttermilk Complete Pancake & Waffle Mix: "...MonoCalcium
> Phosphate, Sodium BiCarbonate..."
>
> 3. Jiffy Banana Nut muffin mix: "...sodium aluminum phosphate, baking
> soda..."
>
> #1 above is not carried in all stores, I have to hunt for it.
>
> #2 above is considered to be a premium product.
>
> #3 above is NOT a premium product.
>
> If you live in a place where aluminum in food is not permitted, good for
> you. Otherwise, (if you care about aluminum in your food), read the label!
>
> _______________________
> President Clinton is a Rapist! -- But, that's OK.
>
> John Gil...@Crosslink.net
>
> >Alessio Tiramani
Rumford is one of the most common baking powders in the Frozen North
(=Scandinavia) and can easily be obtained. Other BP also contain mostly
same ingredients.
Kaari
who stocked up with BP before moving :)
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I've been lurking here for a week or so, wonderful group! I wanted to send
off a few of my favourite recipes to you guys but you seem to have them
all.. I am, however GREAT at tracking down hard to find recipes, so if
anyone has any requests I am at your service!!
-A
"Imperious, choleric, irascible, extreme in everything,
with a dissolute imagination the like of which has never
been seen, atheistic to the point of fanaticism, there you
have me in a nutshell, and kill me again or take me as I am,
for I shall not change."
Ceacaa
In a recent message pge9...@studserv.uni-leipzig.de tells us:
>I would like to introduce myself, as I've been reading for a while. I'm
>Rebecca, I'm originally English, but lived in Paris for a while, and now
>live in Germany with my Russian/German husband and three kids, (4 3/4, 3
>1/2 and 13 months). I don't get as much time for adventurous cooking as
>I used to, and in this part of Germany, interesting and exotic
>ingredients (like limes and celery) are difficult to find, but I love
>baking, and I have regular Coffee and Cake parties (very trad way to
>entertain here). I'm looking forward to joining in, and maybe doing a
>little vicarious cooking! - Rebecca (The English Hausfrau)
Mark Van Alstine
>
>
> >Am I the only one who likes that darling child
> >who does the Welch's commercials?
>
> Nope, I think she's great. Maybe because I don't like kids all that much,
> and she doesn't act like one?
>
> Damsel the Grinch
> "I'm thinking the same thing about you!"
Ha! I could have written that Damsel. Both sentences.
Charlie
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the other night. It was delicious (and searching for that canned tune in
oil was definitely worth it!). And the bread TDY had baked and served
with it was tasty too not to mention the wine.
And you wonder why I put up with the weather over here :)
Kaari
* Exported from MasterCook *
Salade Nicoise
Recipe By : Julia Child
Serving Size : 6 Preparation Time :0:00
Categories : Dinner French
Lunch Salads
Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
-------- ------------ --------------------------------
1 1/2 lb green beans -- blanched/chilled
3 tomatoes -- quartered
1 cup vinaigrette
1 head Boston Lettuce -- washed/dried/chilled
3 cups French potato salad
1/2 cup nicoise olives
6 eggs -- boiled/quartered
12 anchovy fillets -- washed
2 cans tuna in oil
Season beans and tomatoes with several spoonfuls of vinaigrette.
Toss lettuce leaves in bowl with 1/4 cup vinaigrette.
On large serving platter, arrange lettuce on bottom. In center place the
potatoes. On either side, place one can of tuna. around the platter,
disperse the beans, tomatoes, and eggs. Place anchovies throughout. Pour
on remaining vinaigrette.
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Suggested Wine: Sauvignon Blanc
Serving Ideas : Crusty bread
--
Mike Curtis
>In article <19990305001554...@ng90.aol.com>, cea...@aol.com
>(Ceacaa) wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> Why are you dodging the question?
>
>Why did Mr. Allen lie about what both Pressac wrote in the caption to
>Document 46 and what I wrote about it?
>
>> Tell us what you think about the
>> concrete "covers".
>
>Perhaps Mr. Allen will tell us why he lied about what both Pressac wrote
>in the caption to Document 46 and what I wrote about it?
>
>> I would say that
>> Does Pressac does not believe that the
>> Concrete covers were the
>> ones actually used to close your "vents".
>> ergo
>> someone moved them to the two "holes" on the
>> roof after the War.
>
>And? Does Mr. Allen have a point? Or is he simply grasping at straws again?
He's posting a lot more often now to counter your posts. So I guess he
realizes he's been caught making another MISTAKE.
>The simple fact remains, despite Mr. Allen's pathetic squirming and absurd
>lies, that Document 46 shows a square hole cut in the roof of Krema II's
>L.Keller 1 right about where, according to both eyewitnesses and the
>photographs, one would expect it.
>
>[snip]
>
>Mark
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Steve Mock
> Subject: Re: How Zyclon got into the "gas chambers"
> From: Steve Mock <sm...@nizkor.org>
> Date: Thu, Mar 4, 1999 wrote:
>
> > *I already showed you a photo of one of these *holes in the roof about six
> > *months ago. As I recall, your only response *was to write a silly little
> > *poem along the lines that it wasn't really *there.
> >
> > *In fact, when I posted that open invitation *back in October for anyone
> > *on this newsgroup to request what sort of *photos they wanted me to take
> > *at the Auschwitz-Birkenau site, I figured *you'd be right up front
> > *shouting, "show me those holes!". But I *guess that would presume that
> > *you really do want to see them if they are *indeed there.
> > [Ceacaa comments]
> > Silly poem? As silly as taking pictures of
> > building foundations in the snow?
> [Mock]
> *Yes, Ceacaa. I apologize for the weather. The fact that it snowed
> *during my brief stay in Poland is indeed proof that the Holocaust is a
> *hoax.
> [Ceacaa comments]
> Uh, no, but it is an indication that you could have chosen a better time to
> travel 6,000 miles to take pictures.
What makes you think that these photographs were my sole purpose in
Poland?
> [Mock]
> *I am hoping to go back this summer to do a more thorough job of it, so
> *this time get your requests to me in advance.
> [Ceacaa replies]
> Thank you. I will make a list and post it under a seperate thread if it
> is helpful to you. I think it would be a useful endeavor.
Please e-mail me a copy. I don't check a.r. as thoroughly as I used to.
> > Actually you did a pretty good job of
> > getting useful pictures
> > except that the buildings are covered in
> > snow and that allows you to be confused
> > on what you saw.
> [Mock]
> *Oh, of course. You're the ultimate authority. How silly of me to have
> *asked the people who work and study at the site itself, rather than you.
> [Ceacaa]
> The "people who work and study at the site itself" are usually a better
> source of most documentary information than I but please remember that they
> have been involved in various acts of "showmanship" regarding the artifacts.
> They all make their living off of the "tourist site" and would like a
> Revisionist as much as Martha's Vinyard would like a shark.
Considering the number of times that revisionists have blatently lied
about the contents of the site (as you have in the past), misquoted and
misrepresented the statements of the researchers in question (a la David
Cole), and generally cast unsupported dispersions on their objectivity
in lieu of any concrete argument in dispute of their scholarship (as you
do above), I'm not surprised that they consider the likes of you beneath
contempt.
> > [Ceacaa replies]
> > Actually I was wondering why you were
> > having such a hard time seeing the
> > difference between a square hole
> > and the two roundish holes in your
> > posted pictures. All the other
> > Believers aren't brazen enough to
> > claim that there are any square holes.
> [Mock]
> *Amazing how quickly you shift gears without even an apology. As I
> *recall, your earlier line was that there were *NO* holes in the roof of
> *L-keller 1. Now that this has been proven completely and spectacularly
> *false, you behave as though you never said it to begin with, and
> *effortlessly switch to arguing that they aren't the RIGHT kind of holes.
> [Ceacaa replies]
> There are several "holes" in the roof. Most are along the western and
> eastern edges of the roof.
You know, its funny. But I've been glancing over an earlier
corrospondance between us on this very topic, and have come up with some
very interesting observations on your part.
"The trouble with this "theory" is that the standard story of holes in
the roof of Leichenkeller is belied but the presently observable fact
that THERE ARE NO HOLES IN THE ROOF OF LEICHENKELLER 1 WHICH COULD HAVE
BEEN GAS INDUCTION VENTS. The roof exists today sans vent holes."
or later...
"Believers have to Deny reality because they can't find any vent holes
in the roof."
Those are only two examples of an ongoing theme that persisted despite
my having posted the photograph by Pressac which you are apparently
discussing with others elsewhere on this thread.
Are you even going to admit that you were wrong before trying to explain
away the evidence that proves you wrong, or is it absurd for me to ask
you to bend this closed belief system of yours even just this little
bit?
> Everyone seems to agree that these were
> never "vent holes". Believers focus on two (or sometimes) three holes
> which are "sort of in the center of the roof. The Polish people who work and
> study at the site itself used to put concrete manhole covers next to
> the two southern most holes to "imply" that these were "vent covers".
> They seemed to have removed them since the sophistication of the tourists
> has increased.
> The southern most hole is the largest with the re-bar clipped but still
> showing. I have been through the hole. So has Laura Finsten- She posted that
> the hole is not square (She claims that it was blown into a round shape from
> the blast)
> The other "vent holes" are ignored by Believers
Ignored? Note the false assumptions Ceacaa builds into his straw man.
The diagram of Krema II, immediately next to the site, LABELS these
holes.
> because the are small
> (about 20 cm) and have the rebar still in the hole
And this, of course, would have made them completely impervious to
Zyklon B, the pellets of which are, as we know, larger that 20 cm
square... oh, excuse me... 20 cm *round*.
> (It has been clipped and
> bent out of the way). It would require the most devout Believer to claim
> that they were really "vent holes".
Have you offered even one reason why Zyklon B could NOT have been poured
through these holes and into introduction columns?
> When you go back in Summer, you should take close ups of all the holes
> you claim are vents. Please make sure to show all the traces of support
> attachments for the "chimneys" and the wire columns!!
>
> [Mock]
> *I don't think that you and I are looking at the same pictures. Where,
> *exactly, are these two "roundish" holes? krema2-04.jpg and
> *krema2-05.jpg show the hole of which you spoke in the southwest corner.
> *Now, granted, it might not be a square in the strictly geometric sense
> *of the word - ie. four perfectly straight sides of identical length at
> *perfect right angles to one another - but, funny that, dynamite and 55
> *years of erosion tend to have their effect on geometry.
> [Ceacaa comments]
> Well, talk about shifting gears, Senor Sprocket, squares are like
> something in a geometric sense and if they are not square in a geometric
> sense then they ain't square.
Well, let me put it this way, then: they are as square as one could
reasonably expect them to be in this flawed universe. Is that
Geometrically Correct enough for you?
> I do not mean to bicker over definitions but there is an important reason to
> discuss the shape of the holes.
The most important such reason being that it distracts from the fact
that you have been proven wrong in your earlier assertion that they did
not exist.
> It relates to the fact that there are
> no bolt holes or means of attachment around the "holes". Revisionists
> ask, "How were your porous pillars attached?"
> The most advanced Believer theory on the matter is that the "pillars"
> extended up into the vent holes and were "tightly held in place" by
> the vent holes and chimney. If the vents ("if" I say! No.) Since the holes
> ARE irregular in shape it is impossible to claim that a square
> "porous pillar" fitted tightly into the hole.
So? You have created a straw man and disproven it. I'm not impressed.
The fact is, I am degrading myself by even arguing this point with you
any further. Your assertion that there are no holes in the roof of
L-Keller 1 has been proven false, and now you are following your usual
tactic of citing as many uncheckable technical details as possible in
the hopes that people might forget this basic fact and assume that you
must know what you're talking about and are not making it all up. But
since I am arguing further, despite myself, I need merely highlight the
false assumption upon which your entire point relies, and ask: why,
exactly, did the pillers have to be attached so tightly in the first
place?
> [Mock]
> *What these pictures do show is a hole in the roof of L-keller 1 (the
> *room whose roof you claimed had no holes) that could very well have
> *served as an vent through which Zyklon B was inserted into the
> *introduction column. Would you care to make an argument otherwise?
> *Would you care to deny that your earlier argument relied on the
> *assertion that a hole such as this did not exist?
>
> *Steve Mock
> [Ceacaa replies]
> "could very well have served"?
> Any old hole is "good enough" for Steve Mock, is that what you are
> saying?
Fine, Ceacaa. You caught us. We lose. You've made the ultimate
revisionist point by discovering the secret property of Zyklon B that
makes it entirely inactive unless dropped through an opening of four
perfectly straight sides of identical length at perfect right angles to
one another made of a material entirely impervious to dynamite and
erosion. Revisionism is vindicated!
> Stop! Take a deep breath and Think scientifically! Think empirically.
No amount of condescending language will change the fact that I have
proven you a liar over your assertion that there are no holes in the
roof of L-keller 1, Krema II.
> That means gatherings facts about the "holes" to honestly see if they
> "could very well have served as "vent holes".
Yes, lets gather facts. What are the necessary facts? The necessary
facts are these. Fact 1: the holes were big enough to allow Zyklon B to
have been poured through. Fact 2: the holes were adjacent to where they
introduction columns were said to have been located.
Do any of your piddling little details call either of these facts into
dispute? Yes or no.
> What kind of facts, you might ask? Well, here is a friendly challenge, Mr.
> Mock:
>
> Who can think of the most relevant questions to ask about the "holes".
> Simple questions regarding the present physical evidence ie.,
> the size, or the shape, indications of the method of creation like chipping
> or clipped re-bar, questions which would relate to
> whether the holes could have been "vent holes".
>
> There are several reasons to formulate these questions:
> 1. These holes are the alleged "murder weapon" of the Holocaust and are
> worth the study;
> 2. Believers have "accepted" the holes as vents but never applied
> this type of analysis to them;
Does any of the above obfuscation support your assertion that Zyklon B
could not have been poured through these holes into introduction
columns? No. Does any of this change the fact that you falsely
asserted that there were NO holes in the roof of L-keller 1, Krema II?
No.
> 3. An understanding of the question will help you take even better pictures
> next summer.
>
> O.K.?
> Then we can try to answer the questions.
I'll take whatever pictures you ask me to, but simply because I'll be
there anyway, and it won't cost me a dime. But you still have yet to
explain why - even if every detail you attribute to these holes is true
- they could not have served as vents through which Zyklon B was poured
into introduction columns.
Steve Mock
Ceacaa
Date: Fri, Mar 5, 1999
(Ceacaa) wrote:
[snip]
>Well, talk about shifting gears, Senor Sprocket, squares are like
>something in a geometric sense and if they are not square in a geometric
>sense then they ain't square.
>I do not mean to bicker over definitions but there is an important reason to
>discuss the shape of the holes.
[Morris]
*Yes. It is quite apparent from this
*thread that you require nothing
*short of a miracle. You require a Miracle
*Hole that remained square
*and regular despite more than
*fifty years of weathering and despite
*the roof having been dynamited.
[Ceacaa comments]
John, you are jumping a little ahead in the
debate. (preemptive backpedeling??)
Mock started this off by a brazen claim
that there are "square holes" on the roof.
He deserves to have his ears pinned back
for such shameless Believer mythmaking.
Instead of leaping forward to correct the
record YOU get on my case.
Now, let's see- you are "explaining" why
the hole are not square? Just so we
are all clear and on the same page.
Does John Morris agree that the
holes that he claims were the
"Zyclon induction vent holes" on the
roof of Leichenkeller 1 Krema II
presently square or are they round?
Thank you for presenting your beliefs
clearly.
[Morris]
*You are like one of those atheists who *desperately wants a miracle so
*that he can have faith. It is you, after all,
*who has characterized
*the debate as one between atheists *(Deniers) and the faithful
*(Believers) with your incessant sneers
*at the honesty and rationality
*of your debating opponents.
[Ceacaa comments]
"a Miracle Hole"? No, John your analogy
and your claim that I require a "miracle hole" is absurd for several obvious
reasons: Reasons I will disclose to you once you
have corrected the record mudded by
your fellow Believer, Mock and the
poor befuddled Vanalstine
Square or round?-
Truth or prevarication?-
&
John's "Miracle Hole" explained
all in the next chapter of
CEACAA IN THE LAND OF BELIEVERS
[further comment latter]
Steve Mock
> Subject: Re: How Zyclon got into the "gas chambers"
> From: John....@xmunge.UAlberta.CA (John Morris)
> Date: Fri, Mar 5, 1999
> (Ceacaa) wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >Well, talk about shifting gears, Senor Sprocket, squares are like
> >something in a geometric sense and if they are not square in a geometric
> >sense then they ain't square.
> >I do not mean to bicker over definitions but there is an important reason to
> >discuss the shape of the holes.
> [Morris]
> *Yes. It is quite apparent from this
> *thread that you require nothing
> *short of a miracle. You require a Miracle
> *Hole that remained square
> *and regular despite more than
> *fifty years of weathering and despite
> *the roof having been dynamited.
> [Ceacaa comments]
> John, you are jumping a little ahead in the
> debate. (preemptive backpedeling??)
> Mock started this off by a brazen claim
> that there are "square holes" on the roof.
And posted photos showing that there are.
Your complaint that they are not *perfectly* square was noted (and
laughed at) for the record.
> He deserves to have his ears pinned back
> for such shameless Believer mythmaking.
I see. But you do not deserve to have your ears pinned back for
shameless Denier mythmaking for stating that there were NO holes in the
roof.
You seem to forget that the argument was not over whether the holes in
the roof were or were not perfectly square. Your assertion was not that
the holes in the roof were less than perfectly square. Your assertion
was that there were holes in the roof of L-keller 1, Krema II through
which Zyklon B could have been poured.
You would, if you were honest, skip this obfuscating and answer one
simple question: could Zyklon B have been poured through these holes in
the roof of L-keller 1 into intoduction columns? Yes or no?
> [Morris]
> *You are like one of those atheists who *desperately wants a miracle so
> *that he can have faith. It is you, after all,
> *who has characterized
> *the debate as one between atheists *(Deniers) and the faithful
> *(Believers) with your incessant sneers
> *at the honesty and rationality
> *of your debating opponents.
> [Ceacaa comments]
>
> "a Miracle Hole"? No, John your analogy
> and your claim that I require a "miracle hole" is absurd for several obvious
> reasons: Reasons I will disclose to you once you
> have corrected the record mudded by
> your fellow Believer, Mock and the
> poor befuddled Vanalstine
>
> Square or round?-
> Truth or prevarication?-
Amazing. He really thinks that history comes down to the question:
"square or round?".
Regardless of whether there square or round, or squares with rounded
sides, or circles with squared corners, or hexigons with jagged edges,
the fact remains: these are holes in the roof of L-keller 1 through
which Zyklon B could have been poured into the adjacent intoduction
columns, and you have been proven wrong in your assertion that such
things did not exist. Now be a grown-up and admit it.
Steve Mock
Ceacaa
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Ceacaa
Date: Fri, Mar 5, 1999
Ceacaa wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >Well, talk about shifting gears, Senor Sprocket, squares are like
> >something in a geometric sense and if they are not square in a geometric
> >sense then they ain't square.
> >I do not mean to bicker over definitions but there is an important reason to
> >discuss the shape of the holes.
> [Morris]
> *Yes. It is quite apparent from this
> *thread that you require nothing
> *short of a miracle. You require a Miracle
> *Hole that remained square
> *and regular despite more than
> *fifty years of weathering and despite
> *the roof having been dynamited.
> [Ceacaa comments]
> John, you are jumping a little ahead in the
> debate. (preemptive backpedeling??)
> Mock started this off by a brazen claim
> that there are "square holes" on the roof.
[MOCK]
*And posted photos showing that there are.
*Your complaint that they are not *perfectly* *square was noted (and
*laughed at) for the record.
[Ceacaa comments]
The holes are not square at all. The
importance of their not being square
relates to Believer claims the the roof
was used to hold wire columns in place.
See
Crackpot theories-Holocaust-Vanalstine
> He deserves to have his ears pinned back
> for such shameless Believer mythmaking.
[Mock]
*I see. But you do not deserve to have
*your ears pinned back for
*shameless Denier mythmaking for stating *that there were NO holes in the
*roof.
*You seem to forget that the argument was *not over whether the holes in
*the roof were or were not perfectly square. *Your assertion was not that
the holes in the roof were less than
*perfectly square. Your assertion
*was that there were holes in the roof of L-*keller 1, Krema II through
*which Zyklon B could have been poured.
*You would, if you were honest, skip this *obfuscating and answer one
*simple question: could Zyklon B have been *poured through these holes in
*the roof of L-keller 1 into intoduction *columns? Yes or no?
Steve Mock
[Ceacaa comments]
I can see I am dealing with a rather
dogmatic Believer of the any hole will do
type.
1. Technically there are several "holes"
and cracks on the roof of the "gas chamber".
Only two of them are claimed by
Believers to have been "vent holes".
2. Once a hole exists it is possible to
drop things through it.
That said, there are no other physical
basis for the claim that
"Zyclon vent holes" exist on the roof.
Number of holes??
You ask, "Could zyclon have been poured
through the holes"? You seem to
have "forgotten" 2 of the holes.
The roof is "there" two of your four
vents seem to have been lost.
Two vents down-
Size-I only read it briefly but Keren seems
to admit that one of the two remaining
vents is much smaller than the other.
this is correct. Why the difference is
size?
Shape-Definately not square or poured in
place.
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