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Richard G. Phillips

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Nov 13, 2001, 12:55:28 AM11/13/01
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Jeffrey Brown can best be understood (say, rather, ONLY understood) as
an extreme case of Jewish paranoia. Knowing this enables one to
comprehend his bizarre antics and, possibly in certain instances, to
excuse them.

Around the core of the so-called Holocaust , he has constructed a body
of religious dogma (it cannot be described in any other way) from which
no dissent or deviation can be tolerated. THe principal tenets of this
dogma are:

(1) That the Hitler regime laid out a plan for the physical
extermination of European Jewry and carried out that plan to the limits
that their military successes allowed.

(2) That the principal instrument for these exterminations were mass
execution gas chambers in special centres in Poland set up for that
purpose.

(3) That an important component of the programme were on-the-spot mass
executions in occupied Russia, carried out by the Einsatzkommandos.

(4) That, in the light of items (1) to (3), the Hitler regime must be
considered not merely evil but UNIQUELY evil -- evil in a way that no
other regime (including Stalinist Russia) ever was.

(5) That Europe's Jews were not merely victims, but they were PURE
victims, people who had never, either individually or collectively, done
anything that could possibly have brought such a castrophe upon
themselves.

(6) That World War II was the GOOD War, a war where all of the right was
on our side and all of the evil was on the other. That all was black and
white with no grey allowed.

For Jeffrey, the slightest challenge to any of these tenets is regarded
NOT as a wish to set the record straight, NOT as a wish to offer an
alternative view of events, but, rather, as a wish to exculpate the
Hitler regime. It necessarily follows that such people can only by "Nazi
apologists" whose real motive is a SECOND Holocaust, this one to be more
successful than the first. This explains why almost every one of his
posts is couched in tones of either fury or ridicule. He is convinced he
is dealing with evil people. It also explains why he does not consider
himself bound by the normal unwritten rules of discourse between
civilized adults. His view is that because of the people he must deal
with, those rules do not apply. THis explains why he will do or say
ANYTHING to discredit an opponent including shameless invasion of an
opponent's privacy (at the same time that he carefully protects his
own).

Jeffrey G. Brown

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Nov 13, 2001, 6:12:30 AM11/13/01
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In article <3BF0B788...@earthlink.net>, "Richard G. 'Thank God for those
murders' Phillips" <rgp...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Jeffrey Brown can best be understood (say, rather, ONLY understood) as
> an extreme case of Jewish paranoia.

Phillips is incapable of debating the facts. It therefore turns to attacking its
opponents -- as every gutless lying bigot must, eventually.

> [...deletia...]

> Around the core of the so-called Holocaust , he has constructed a body
> of religious dogma (it cannot be described in any other way) from which
> no dissent or deviation can be tolerated. THe principal tenets of this
> dogma are:
>
> (1) That the Hitler regime laid out a plan for the physical
> extermination of European Jewry and carried out that plan to the limits
> that their military successes allowed.

Known fact. If the lying bigot Phillips has a point, it's well-concealed.

> (2) That the principal instrument for these exterminations were mass
> execution gas chambers in special centres in Poland set up for that
> purpose.

I've never made this claim. Phillips is lying.

> (3) That an important component of the programme were on-the-spot mass
> executions in occupied Russia, carried out by the Einsatzkommandos.

Known fact. If the lying bigot Phillips has a point, it's well-concealed.

> (4) That, in the light of items (1) to (3), the Hitler regime must be
> considered not merely evil but UNIQUELY evil -- evil in a way that no
> other regime (including Stalinist Russia) ever was.

I've never made this claim. Phillips is lying.

> (5) That Europe's Jews were not merely victims, but they were PURE
> victims, people who had never, either individually or collectively, done
> anything that could possibly have brought such a castrophe upon
> themselves.

I've never made this claim. Phillips is lying.

> (6) That World War II was the GOOD War, a war where all of the right was
> on our side and all of the evil was on the other. That all was black and
> white with no grey allowed.

I've never made this claim. Phillips is lying.

Phillips isn't batting so good today, is it?

> [...deletia...]

> THis explains why he will do or say
> ANYTHING to discredit an opponent including shameless invasion of an
> opponent's privacy

Phillips has yet to provide any evidence that I have invaded its privacy.

JGB

---------

Richard "Thank God for those murders" Phillips expresses his condolences to the
World Trade Center victims:

"As for your priceless World Trade Center... my only regret
is that they didn't demolish the obscenities totally by
crashing into them at a much lower point."

-- From: "Richard G. Phillips" <rgp...@earthlink.net>
-- Subject: Re: Regarding Tuesday's terrorist attack
-- Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:56:37 GMT
-- Message-ID: <3BA0C85C...@earthlink.net>

=====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown jg_b...@my-deja.com
For centuries, philosophers and theologians have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to choose. - "The Outer Limits: Feasibility Study", 1997

John Morris

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In <3bf101ca@nubby2.> in alt.revisionism, on Tue, 13 Nov 2001
02:58:00 -0800, "Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> wrote:

> Don't forget every farm house around Auschwitz did have gas
> chambers in there cellars to help exterminate the Jews from the
> Camp.

> All the surviving Jews know this except the polish farmers around
> Auschwitz.

Thee were no Polish farmers around Auschwitz. The Polish farms
around Auschwitz were expropriated to establish an agricultural
research farm and an economic exclusion zone for SS enterprises.

Is there anything that you actually *do* know about the Holocaust?

- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>


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Richard G. Phillips

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Nov 13, 2001, 1:41:27 PM11/13/01
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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> In article <3BF0B788...@earthlink.net>, "Richard G. 'Thank God for those
> murders' Phillips" <rgp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Jeffrey Brown can best be understood (say, rather, ONLY understood) as
> > an extreme case of Jewish paranoia.
>
> Phillips is incapable of debating the facts. It therefore turns to attacking its
> opponents -- as every gutless lying bigot must, eventually.
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> > Around the core of the so-called Holocaust , he has constructed a body
> > of religious dogma (it cannot be described in any other way) from which
> > no dissent or deviation can be tolerated. THe principal tenets of this
> > dogma are:
> >
> > (1) That the Hitler regime laid out a plan for the physical
> > extermination of European Jewry and carried out that plan to the limits
> > that their military successes allowed.
>
> Known fact. If the lying bigot Phillips has a point, it's well-concealed.

===============================================
Phillips

It is a known CLAIM; as a fact it is hotly disputed. Your passionate belief does not
make it a fact.

===========================================

>
>
> > (2) That the principal instrument for these exterminations were mass
> > execution gas chambers in special centres in Poland set up for that
> > purpose.
>
> I've never made this claim. Phillips is lying.

===========================================
Phillips

THen way we take it that you are either denying that the gas chambers existed or
that they existed but were not a major factor in the extermination programme. If
this is the case, then so state.

========================================

>
>
> > (3) That an important component of the programme were on-the-spot mass
> > executions in occupied Russia, carried out by the Einsatzkommandos.
>
> Known fact. If the lying bigot Phillips has a point, it's well-concealed.

===============================================
Phillips

It is a known CLAIM; as a fact it is hotly disputed. Your passionate belief does not
make it a fact.

===========================================

>

>
>
> > (4) That, in the light of items (1) to (3), the Hitler regime must be
> > considered not merely evil but UNIQUELY evil -- evil in a way that no
> > other regime (including Stalinist Russia) ever was.
>
> I've never made this claim. Phillips is lying.

==================================================
Phillips

Then you do NOT consider the Hitler regime to have been uniquely evil or even evil,
per se. If this is the case then so state.

======================================

>
>
> > (5) That Europe's Jews were not merely victims, but they were PURE
> > victims, people who had never, either individually or collectively, done
> > anything that could possibly have brought such a castrophe upon
> > themselves.
>
> I've never made this claim. Phillips is lying.

=======================================
Phillips

THen you are admitting that Europe's Jews MAY have done things that helped to bring
the catastrophe on themselves. If you believe this, then so state.

===========================

>
>
> > (6) That World War II was the GOOD War, a war where all of the right was
> > on our side and all of the evil was on the other. That all was black and
> > white with no grey allowed.
>
> I've never made this claim. Phillips is lying.

======================================
Phillips

THen may we take that as an admission that the rights and wrongs of WWII were NOT
pure black and white. If this is the case, then so state.

=======================================================

>
>
> Phillips isn't batting so good today, is it?
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> > THis explains why he will do or say
> > ANYTHING to discredit an opponent including shameless invasion of an
> > opponent's privacy
>
> Phillips has yet to provide any evidence that I have invaded its privacy.

=============================================
Phillips

THes apparently you do not regard making public property of my contact with the New
Hampshire accountants (and putting your personal spin on it) as an invasion of my
privacy.

=====================

Eugene Holman

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Nov 13, 2001, 2:22:47 PM11/13/01
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In article <3BF0B788...@earthlink.net>, "Richard G. Phillips"
<rgp...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Jeffrey Brown can best be understood (say, rather, ONLY understood) as
> an extreme case of Jewish paranoia. Knowing this enables one to
> comprehend his bizarre antics and, possibly in certain instances, to
> excuse them.
>

> Around the core of the so-called Holocaust, he has constructed a body


> of religious dogma (it cannot be described in any other way) from which
> no dissent or deviation can be tolerated.

You are exaggerating. What you are dealing with is established
historical "truth". Historical "truth" is always a selective
interpretation and reconstruction of the past. Honest historical
criticism is always welcome. Pseudo-scientific garbage, such as the
Leuchter Report, presented by incompetent charlatans trumpeting "It
takes far more cyanide to kill people than than it does to kill lice,"
is not.

> THe principal tenets of this
> dogma are:
>
> (1) That the Hitler regime laid out a plan for the physical
> extermination of European Jewry and carried out that plan to the limits
> that their military successes allowed.

Hitler stated clearly before coming to power that his first priority if
he was ever in a position of power would be to exterminate the Jews of
Germany. As soon as his regime came to power, it started harrassing
Jews, passing anti-Semitic legislation, and burning books and works of
art produced by Jews. Anti-Jewish legislation became stricter in
Germany during the late 1930s, and offices of Jewish emigration, which
would allow Jews living in the rapidly expanding part of Europe
controlled or influenced by the Nazis to emigrate if they forfeited all
their property and assets to the Reich, were set up. Subsequently Nazi
Germany gained control over territory with additional millions of Jews,
but it could not force them to emigrate any more. The solution was to
arrest or ghettoize them, confiscate their property, and select those
capable of doing slave labor for the Reich as slave laborers, and
execute, usually by gassing, those incapable of doing so.

There is a massive amount of historical data documenting this sequence
of stated and implemented policies. Mainstream historiography does not
question the big picture as presented above, even if there are
questions with respect to detail. For example, no signed Hitler order
to exterminate the Jews of Europe has ever been found and, knowing
Hitler's style of dictatorial, "oral orders to pals only-oriented"
leadership, probably never will be found. On the other hand, the
pattern by which Jews were eliminated followed such a well planned
blueprint from Estonia to Greece, as did the efforts of certain states
allied with or occupied by Germany such as Denmark, Finland, Hungary,
and Bulgaria, to save their Jews from German efforts to "solve the
Jewish problem" locally by consistent diplomatic pressure exerted on
these four countries, that arguing that some prototypical order issued
by Hitler to take extreme measures to "solve the Jewish problem" never
existed would contradict masses of extant historical evidence.


>
> (2) That the principal instrument for these exterminations were mass
> execution gas chambers in special centres in Poland set up for that
> purpose.

The claim "principal instrument" is as tendentious as it is inaccurate.
The Nazis were world-class experts in the use of poison gas, and
historical evidence of various types indicates that they had mass
execution gas chambers at euthanasia centers (e.g. Sonnenstein,
Hadamar), concentration camps (e.g. Stutthof, Ravensbrück), and
dedicated extermination centers (e.g. Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor,
Treblinka,) in occupied Poland (e.g. Auschwitz-Birkenau, Majdanek) as
well as the Reich (e.g. Mauthausen, Ravensbrück) and occupied France
(e.g. Natzweiler).

>
> (3) That an important component of the programme were on-the-spot mass
> executions in occupied Russia, carried out by the Einsatzkommandos.

Not occupied Russia, but rather some of the _non-Russian_ parts of the
Soviet Union which they occuopied. Historical records produced by both
the Nazis and their victims document the murderous activities of the
Einsatzkommandos in Latvia, Lithuania, (Soviet-occupied eastern)
Poland, Byelorussia, Romania, and the Ukraine.

These on-the-spot mass executions are exceptionally well documented.
They were photographed and filmed in Liepaja and Riga, Latvia, in
Kaunas (Kovno) Lithuania, and elsewhere. Military reports documenting
them, such as the Jäger report chronicalling the murder of more than
130,000 Jews in Lithuania and Byelarussia also exist, and Jeckeln-type
sardine-packing mass graves, such as the ones of the Jews killed at
Ustonovka and Serniki in the Ukraine have been exhumed and investigated
forensically.

> (4) That, in the light of items (1) to (3), the Hitler regime must be
> considered not merely evil but UNIQUELY evil -- evil in a way that no
> other regime (including Stalinist Russia) ever was.

Hitler's regime was uniquely evil in wanting to physically exterminate
entire groups and races of people, including the Jews of Europe (not
just of Germany), as well as homosexuals, mulattos, the cogenitally
deformed, Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Eastern Slavs, and others deemed
inferior. Stalin's regime arguably produced more bodies, but it had
thirty years, while Hitler did his dirty work in twelve years. The
Stalin regime was against people with middle- or upper class origins,
but it recognized the concept of re-education. Hitler's regime did not
believe in the superiority of mind over matter, and it doomed people to
death because of their ethnicity: it did not invest in thenkind of
mind-over-matter usee by Stalin to "re-educate" people with putative
anti-Soviet mindsets.

>
> (5) That Europe's Jews were not merely victims, but they were PURE
> victims, people who had never, either individually or collectively, done
> anything that could possibly have brought such a castrophe upon
> themselves.

The Jews of Norway, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary,
Greece, France, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Poland, Bohemia and
Moravia, Slovakia, the USSR, Romania, Italy, Croatia, and Serbia, had
nothing to do with any problems Germany might have had with Jews. The
fact that certain quarters in Germany blamed the Jews collectively for
Germany's loss of WWI, American participation in that war, the
hyperinflation that followed, Marxism, and the world economic crisis of
the early 1930s his divorced from reality. Neither does the fact that
Jews such as the Paris-resident Byalorussian Jew Mark Chegall was
painting abstract pictures that the strict realist Hitler hated justify
exterminating all Jewish artists.

>
> (6) That World War II was the GOOD War, a war where all of the right was
> on our side and all of the evil was on the other. That all was black and
> white with no grey allowed.

No war is ever that simple. Nevertheless, WW II was begun when Hitler
took a gamble that was a s cynical as it was evil. Hitler thought that
despite the obligations on paper that Britin and France would defend
it, Poland would


> For Jeffrey, the slightest challenge to any of these tenets is regarded
> NOT as a wish to set the record straight, NOT as a wish to offer an
> alternative view of events, but, rather, as a wish to exculpate the
> Hitler regime.

When people try to argue that the Hitler regime was the best friend
the Jews ever had, or that the traces of residual cyanide on the walls
of structures all extant evidence indicates were gas chambers are the
result of fumgations that took place before the structures in question
were ever built.

> It necessarily follows that such people can only by "Nazi
> apologists" whose real motive is a SECOND Holocaust, this one to be more
> successful than the first. This explains why almost every one of his
> posts is couched in tones of either fury or ridicule. He is convinced he
> is dealing with evil people.

Jeffery IS dealing with evil people. Folks who would argue that a
well-documented continent-wide Nazi-driven campaign against the Jews
did not happen, or that the Jews brought it upon themselves, are indeed
evil.

> It also explains why he does not consider
> himself bound by the normal unwritten rules of discourse between
> civilized adults. His view is that because of the people he must deal
> with, those rules do not apply. THis explains why he will do or say
> ANYTHING to discredit an opponent including shameless invasion of an
> opponent's privacy (at the same time that he carefully protects his
> own).

The record appears to indicate that he got you not by invading your
privacy, but rather by exploiting gaps in your public self that you
were unable or too ignorant of the Internet and its ways to conceal.
I've also seen the picture of you on the Internet with your curious
toupé and "broad, Slavic" physiognomy.


--
Regards,
Eugene Holman

John Morris

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09:12:40 -0800, "Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> wrote:

> "John Morris" <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
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> > In <3bf101ca@nubby2.> in alt.revisionism, on Tue, 13 Nov 2001
> > 02:58:00 -0800, "Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> wrote:

> > > Don't forget every farm house around Auschwitz did have gas
> > > chambers in there cellars to help exterminate the Jews from the
> > > Camp.

> > > All the surviving Jews know this except the polish farmers
> > > around Auschwitz.

> > There were no Polish farmers around Auschwitz. The Polish farms


> > around Auschwitz were expropriated to establish an agricultural
> > research farm and an economic exclusion zone for SS enterprises.

> > Is there anything that you actually *do* know about the
> > Holocaust?

> Can you proof this ?.

I suppose. But would it be worth the bother?

Your consistent reaction is simply to reject evidence even when the
evidence is neutral and suggests only that the Nazis wanted to figure
better ways to grow crops and livestock and make some money from
business enterprises like Siemens and IG Farben.

I can see how it would go. I'd have to go and get scans made of the
SS zone of interest maps for the Auschwitz region and then post them.
I'd probably have to teach you how to view a graphics files. Then
I'd have to write an essay for you and try to convince you that the
documents of the SS-Zentralbauleitung were authentic and reliable.

I could see doing it if I thought you were genuinely interested in
learning something. But would it be worth the bother if you're just
going to declare it untrue anyway?

- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>


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Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <3BF16A71...@earthlink.net>, "Richard G. 'Thank God for those
murders' Phillips" <rgp...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
>
> > In article <3BF0B788...@earthlink.net>, "Richard G. 'Thank God for
> > those murders' Phillips" <rgp...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> [...deletia...]

> > > Around the core of the so-called Holocaust , he has constructed a body
> > > of religious dogma (it cannot be described in any other way) from which
> > > no dissent or deviation can be tolerated. THe principal tenets of this
> > > dogma are:
> > >
> > > (1) That the Hitler regime laid out a plan for the physical
> > > extermination of European Jewry and carried out that plan to the limits
> > > that their military successes allowed.
> >
> > Known fact. If the lying bigot Phillips has a point, it's well-concealed.
>
> ===============================================
> Phillips
>
> It is a known CLAIM; as a fact it is hotly disputed.

False. Phillips and other bigoted deniers have repeatedly lied about the
historical events of the Holocaust. Such lies do not constitute "hot dispute" in
any real historical sense; they are merely lies.

> [...deletia...]

> > > (2) That the principal instrument for these exterminations were mass
> > > execution gas chambers in special centres in Poland set up for that
> > > purpose.
> >
> > I've never made this claim. Phillips is lying.
>
> ===========================================
> Phillips
>
> THen way we take it that you are either denying that the gas chambers
> existed or that they existed but were not a major factor in the extermination
> programme. If this is the case, then so state.

Phillips (and the voices in its head) may take nothing of the sort, as my
beliefs are irrelevant to this analysis of Phillips' tactics. The relevant point
is that Phillips, like all deniers, chooses to construct a straw man to knock
down. Phillips simply lies about what others say.

> > > (3) That an important component of the programme were on-the-spot mass
> > > executions in occupied Russia, carried out by the Einsatzkommandos.
> >
> > Known fact. If the lying bigot Phillips has a point, it's well-concealed.
>
> ===============================================
> Phillips
>
> It is a known CLAIM; as a fact it is hotly disputed.

False. Phillips and other bigoted deniers have repeatedly lied about the
historical events of the Holocaust. Such lies do not constitute "hot dispute" in
any real historical sense; they are merely lies.

> [...deletia...]

> > > (4) That, in the light of items (1) to (3), the Hitler regime must be
> > > considered not merely evil but UNIQUELY evil -- evil in a way that no
> > > other regime (including Stalinist Russia) ever was.
> >
> > I've never made this claim. Phillips is lying.
>
> ==================================================
> Phillips
>
> Then you do NOT consider the Hitler regime to have been uniquely evil or
> even evil, per se. If this is the case then so state.

Phillips, like all deniers, chooses to construct a straw man to knock down.
Phillips simply lies about what others say.

> > > (5) That Europe's Jews were not merely victims, but they were PURE
> > > victims, people who had never, either individually or collectively,
> > > done anything that could possibly have brought such a castrophe upon
> > > themselves.
> >
> > I've never made this claim. Phillips is lying.
>
> =======================================
> Phillips
>
> THen you are admitting that Europe's Jews MAY have done things that helped
> to bring the catastrophe on themselves. If you believe this, then so state.

Phillips, like all deniers, chooses to construct a straw man to knock down.
Phillips simply lies about what others say.

> > > (6) That World War II was the GOOD War, a war where all of the right
> > > was on our side and all of the evil was on the other. That all was black
> > > and white with no grey allowed.
> >
> > I've never made this claim. Phillips is lying.
>
> ======================================
> Phillips
>
> THen may we take that as an admission that the rights and wrongs of WWII
> were NOT pure black and white. If this is the case, then so state.

Phillips (and the voices in its head) may take nothing of the sort, as my
beliefs are irrelevant to this analysis of Phillips' tactics. The relevant point
is that Phillips, like all deniers, chooses to construct a straw man to knock
down. Phillips simply lies about what others say.

> [...deletia...]

> > > THis explains why he will do or say
> > > ANYTHING to discredit an opponent including shameless invasion of an
> > > opponent's privacy
> >
> > Phillips has yet to provide any evidence that I have invaded its privacy.
>
> =============================================
> Phillips
>
> THes apparently you do not regard making public property of my contact with
> the New Hampshire accountants (and putting your personal spin on it) as
> an invasion of my privacy.

Phillips' contact with Nelson Marion was public knowledge. Phillips made it so
when it posted the details on its publicly accessible website -- thus negating
any claims to privacy regarding that matter.

William Daffer

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"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> writes:

> You are Paranoid Jeffery. With all that killing going on did the
> German Armies have time to lead a War ?.
>

The extermination camps weren't run by the army, stupid.

Is there *anything* about history you do know?

whd

> Kurt Knoll.
> =====
> "Jeffrey G. Brown" <jg_b...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:jg_brown-9F5927...@news.alt.net...

--
Ross, on the meaning of his response in
<20010802014157...@ng-fq1.aol.com>

Message-ID: <20010802191550...@ng-cl1.aol.com>
ROTFL.... It takes a jew with a University degree to detect an obvious farce.

William Daffer

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"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> writes:

> Daffer Keren Jeffery Brown are Computer programmed. The only know
> what they are told to know.
>

You didn't answer John's questions.


> This why these guys are rejects.

It must be so sad, being you.


whd

> Kurt Knoll.
> ===========


> "John Morris" <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message

> news:ca43vt44dbabrsjv6...@4ax.com...

--
Morghus, in 73fedc95.01081...@posting.google.com, says:

The bogus farm-house chambers were also supposed to be able to
accomodate 2,000 people each. That's where the interrogators dreamed
up their peak capacity of 10,000 in 1941 at the farmhouses.


http://groups.google.com/groups?as_ugroup=alt.revisionism&as_umsgid=73fedc95.0108161718.6bd60250%40posting.google.com

for the complete post.

William Daffer

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Nov 13, 2001, 8:24:25 PM11/13/01
to
"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> writes:

> Can you proof this ?.
>

You're the one who claims

"Don't forget every farm house around Auschwitz did have gas
chambers in there cellars to help exterminate the Jews from the
Camp."

That's a positive claim of fact. Where's your proof?


whd

p.s. Yes he can. But your claim takes precedance, since it was first.


> Kurt Knoll.
> ==========


> "John Morris" <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
> news:1rg2vt0cmfovu71g3...@4ax.com...

--
Kurt Knoll testifies!

Nobody wand's you that I is a Fact!

William Daffer

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Nov 13, 2001, 8:24:34 PM11/13/01
to
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> writes:

> In <3bf101ca@nubby2.> in alt.revisionism, on Tue, 13 Nov 2001
> 02:58:00 -0800, "Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> wrote:
>
> > Don't forget every farm house around Auschwitz did have gas
> > chambers in there cellars to help exterminate the Jews from the
> > Camp.
>
> > All the surviving Jews know this except the polish farmers around
> > Auschwitz.
>
> Thee were no Polish farmers around Auschwitz. The Polish farms
> around Auschwitz were expropriated to establish an agricultural
> research farm and an economic exclusion zone for SS enterprises.
>
> Is there anything that you actually *do* know about the Holocaust?

If you find anything, let me know. So far Kurt here has proved to be
the most stubbornly ignorant denier I've ever seen.

whd
--
Right. We should stop using the term "anti-semites" on the grounds it
was invented by Jew haters so their opinions could look like an
ideology instead of a pathology.
-- Joseph Hertzlinger

William Daffer

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Nov 13, 2001, 8:24:46 PM11/13/01
to
"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> writes:

> Don't forget every farm house around Auschwitz did have gas chambers
> in there cellars to help exterminate the Jews from the Camp.
>

Completely wrong. Is there *anything* about history you do know?


> All the surviving Jews know this except the polish farmers around
> Auschwitz.

And how many of them have you asked about these farm houses?

whd

--
In 3b9e...@news-uk.onetel.net.uk: David E. Michael expressed his
support for the bombers of Washington and New York, who in the course
of their terrorist acts caused the downing of at least 4 commercial
airliners and the destruction of two buildings with a greater loss of
life than occurred at Pearl Harbor, most of it civilian, said:

"I view it as an act of war against the liberal Establishment."

Jeffrey G. Brown

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Nov 13, 2001, 9:29:42 PM11/13/01
to
In article <m23d3ib...@ulysses.localdomain>, William Daffer
<whda...@mediaone.net> wrote:

> So far Kurt here has proved to be the most stubbornly ignorant denier
> I've ever seen.

And with the likes of Richard "fuck just about everything" Phillips around,
that's a real accomplishment.

JGB

Richard G. Phillips

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Nov 13, 2001, 9:40:57 PM11/13/01
to

"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

===========================================
Phillips

If your beliefs are irrelevant, why should we take seriously your insistence that th
Holocaust is a proven fact. That is nothing but your belief which you have just
admitted to be "irrelevant."

===================================================

> The relevant point
> is that Phillips, like all deniers, chooses to construct a straw man to knock
> down. Phillips simply lies about what others say.
>
> > > > (3) That an important component of the programme were on-the-spot mass
> > > > executions in occupied Russia, carried out by the Einsatzkommandos.
> > >
> > > Known fact. If the lying bigot Phillips has a point, it's well-concealed.
> >
> > ===============================================
> > Phillips
> >
> > It is a known CLAIM; as a fact it is hotly disputed.
>
> False. Phillips and other bigoted deniers have repeatedly lied about the
> historical events of the Holocaust. Such lies do not constitute "hot dispute" in
> any real historical sense; they are merely lies.

======================================
Phillips

You have just told us that your beliefs are irrelevant.

----=============================

>
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> > > > (4) That, in the light of items (1) to (3), the Hitler regime must be
> > > > considered not merely evil but UNIQUELY evil -- evil in a way that no
> > > > other regime (including Stalinist Russia) ever was.
> > >
> > > I've never made this claim. Phillips is lying.
> >
> > ==================================================
> > Phillips
> >
> > Then you do NOT consider the Hitler regime to have been uniquely evil or
> > even evil, per se. If this is the case then so state.
>
> Phillips, like all deniers, chooses to construct a straw man to knock down.
> Phillips simply lies about what others say.
>
> > > > (5) That Europe's Jews were not merely victims, but they were PURE
> > > > victims, people who had never, either individually or collectively,
> > > > done anything that could possibly have brought such a castrophe upon
> > > > themselves.
> > >
> > > I've never made this claim. Phillips is lying.
> >
> > =======================================
> > Phillips
> >
> > THen you are admitting that Europe's Jews MAY have done things that helped
> > to bring the catastrophe on themselves. If you believe this, then so state.
>
> Phillips, like all deniers, chooses to construct a straw man to knock down.
> Phillips simply lies about what others say.

======================================
Phillips

Brown: you either do believe or you don't believe that Europe's Jews MAY have done
things to bring the catastrophe upon themselves. Which is it?

========================

========================================================
Phillips

A civil court might possibly take that view -- or might not. It does nothing to
change the fact that, in the eyes of any man with a sense of honour and decency, you
stand revealed as a piece of contemptible filth.

=========================================


William Daffer

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Nov 13, 2001, 9:51:35 PM11/13/01
to
"Jeffrey G. Brown" <jg_b...@my-deja.com> writes:

> In article <m23d3ib...@ulysses.localdomain>, William Daffer
> <whda...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
> > So far Kurt here has proved to be the most stubbornly ignorant denier
> > I've ever seen.
>
> And with the likes of Richard "fuck just about everything" Phillips around,
> that's a real accomplishment.
>

Not to mention Tom "my last name is eponymous with idiocy" Moran.

whd

William Daffer

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Nov 13, 2001, 9:52:33 PM11/13/01
to
"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> writes:

> You are wrong Jeffery Philips does not lie ?. Only Jews lie.
>

So, everyone who lies is a Jew.

Okay.

Jeffrey G. Brown

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Nov 13, 2001, 9:58:16 PM11/13/01
to
In article <3BF1D9DF...@earthlink.net>, "Richard G. Phillips"
<rgp...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
>
> > In article <3BF16A71...@earthlink.net>, "Richard G. 'Thank God for
> > those murders' Phillips" <rgp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > > "Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <3BF0B788...@earthlink.net>, "Richard G. 'Thank God
> > > > for those murders' Phillips" <rgp...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> [...deletia...]

> > > > > (2) That the principal instrument for these exterminations were

> > > > > mass execution gas chambers in special centres in Poland set up for that
> > > > > purpose.
> > > >
> > > > I've never made this claim. Phillips is lying.
> > >
> > > ===========================================
> > > Phillips
> > >
> > > THen way we take it that you are either denying that the gas chambers
> > > existed or that they existed but were not a major factor in the
> > > extermination programme. If this is the case, then so state.
> >
> > Phillips (and the voices in its head) may take nothing of the sort, as my
> > beliefs are irrelevant to this analysis of Phillips' tactics.
>
> ===========================================
> Phillips
>
> If your beliefs are irrelevant

My beliefs are irrelevant to a discussion of Phillips' habitual lying. That's
what we are discussing now.

> [...deletia...]

> > Phillips' contact with Nelson Marion was public knowledge. Phillips made
> > it so when it posted the details on its publicly accessible website -- thus
> > negating any claims to privacy regarding that matter.
> >
> > JGB
>
> ========================================================
> Phillips
>
> A civil court might possibly take that view -- or might not.

Were Phillips not the feckless coward that it is, it would bring suit, and we'd
all find out what a civil court thought of a gutless liar who weeps piteously
when others take note of what it has published about itself.

Of course, said feckless scum would then be deprived of another excuse for
crying about the consequences of its own behavior.

> It does nothing to change the fact that, in the eyes of any man with a
> sense of honour and decency, you stand revealed as a piece of contemptible
> filth.

Pure speculation, of course. Phillips has never been a "man with a sense of
honour and decency", and in fact knows nothing about those concepts other than
how to spell them.

JGB

William Daffer

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Nov 13, 2001, 10:00:10 PM11/13/01
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"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> writes:

> You are wrong again Jeffery.


Man, you have to stop drinking before you post to Usenet. You're
responding to my post, idiot!


[snip the ravings of a maniac]


> ================
>
> "William Daffer" <whda...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
> news:m2k7wub...@ulysses.localdomain...

--
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:18:49 +0100, in message
<3b9e...@news-uk.onetel.net.uk>, David E. Michael expressed support
for the craven cowards who hijacked four airliners, flying two into
the Twin Towers, one into the Pentagon and simply crashing the fourth,
with an attendant loss of life estimated in the thousands, with the
words:

"This afternoon a truly wonderful thing has happened . . . Today was
a glorious day. May there be many others like it."

For the complete post of this terrorist sympathizer, see:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b9e5465%40news-uk.onetel.net.uk

Jeffrey G. Brown

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Nov 13, 2001, 10:02:11 PM11/13/01
to
In article <m2y9la6...@ulysses.localdomain>, William Daffer
<whda...@mediaone.net> wrote:

> "Jeffrey G. Brown" <jg_b...@my-deja.com> writes:
>
> > In article <m23d3ib...@ulysses.localdomain>, William Daffer
> > <whda...@mediaone.net> wrote:
> >
> > > So far Kurt here has proved to be the most stubbornly ignorant denier
> > > I've ever seen.
> >
> > And with the likes of Richard "fuck just about everything" Phillips
> > around, that's a real accomplishment.
>
> Not to mention Tom "my last name is eponymous with idiocy" Moran.

Geez, we could almost start a new religion. We've already got a Trinity: the
Doofus, the Moron, and the Wholly Discredited.

William Daffer

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Nov 13, 2001, 10:03:44 PM11/13/01
to
"Jeffrey G. Brown" <jg_b...@my-deja.com> writes:

> In article <m2y9la6...@ulysses.localdomain>, William Daffer
> <whda...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
> > "Jeffrey G. Brown" <jg_b...@my-deja.com> writes:
> >
> > > In article <m23d3ib...@ulysses.localdomain>, William Daffer
> > > <whda...@mediaone.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > So far Kurt here has proved to be the most stubbornly ignorant denier
> > > > I've ever seen.
> > >
> > > And with the likes of Richard "fuck just about everything" Phillips
> > > around, that's a real accomplishment.
> >
> > Not to mention Tom "my last name is eponymous with idiocy" Moran.
>
> Geez, we could almost start a new religion. We've already got a Trinity: the
> Doofus, the Moron, and the Wholly Discredited.
>

LOL!

Well, their beliefs are faith based anyway. . .

whd
--
<quote>

xganon, in 360dc87da7c02e27...@xganon.com, under the subject line:
"The Horror of the gas chambers", says:


It's too bad that they still don't do that. I would love to see most
of the oppressive Zion nazi regime and the rest of the Jew assasins
put there. For every non jew killed 100 jews should be slaughtered
like pigs. They don't belong there, the temples should be burned and
the people shot. They are all soldiers of zion and deserve one fate.
They are the chosen to die people. God has chosen the jews to be
persecuted and slaughtered. IT IS THE WAY

</quote>

Jeffrey G. Brown

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Nov 13, 2001, 10:13:05 PM11/13/01
to
In article <m2u1vy6...@ulysses.localdomain>, William Daffer
<whda...@mediaone.net> wrote:

> "Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> writes:
>
> > You are wrong Jeffery Philips does not lie ?. Only Jews lie.
>
> So, everyone who lies is a Jew.

It'd be too easy to point out to Klueless Kurt that Phillips is itself a Jew,
wouldn't it?

JGB

=====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown jeffre...@mailandnews.com

William Daffer

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Nov 13, 2001, 10:16:56 PM11/13/01
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"Jeffrey G. Brown" <jeffre...@mailandnews.com> writes:

> In article <m2u1vy6...@ulysses.localdomain>, William Daffer
> <whda...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
> > "Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> writes:
> >
> > > You are wrong Jeffery Philips does not lie ?. Only Jews lie.
> >
> > So, everyone who lies is a Jew.
>
> It'd be too easy to point out to Klueless Kurt that Phillips is
> itself a Jew, wouldn't it?
>

The Kurt entity wouldn't understand.

whd

William Daffer

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Nov 13, 2001, 11:45:08 PM11/13/01
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"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> writes:

> Yes you are right it just as true than your holocaust. Beyond a shadow of
> course.
>

Okay. Everyone who lies is a Jew.

whd


--
Joe Bellinger alters posts:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&th=ce84994e260d85fb,16&start=10&ic=1
Compare Msgs #12 and #13 for proof

William Daffer

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Nov 13, 2001, 11:46:01 PM11/13/01
to
"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> writes:

> The only drinks I ever take is a German Driving Brant called Schnapps. You
> should try it
> once.
>

Thanks, but you're drinking enough for everyone who's posting here.

whd


> Kurt Knoll.


> ==
> "William Daffer" <whda...@mediaone.net> wrote in message

> news:m2pu6m6...@ulysses.localdomain...

--
Matters about which Joe Bellinger has lied and continues to lie:

Butler,Gilbert,Death Dealer, Amidah, C for Convert, Christians in
Israel, Pranatis and Russian Translation of Talmud, and anytime he
claims to have killfiled you.

Oh, and anytime he claims to have 'trounced' anyone.

Eugene Holman

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Nov 14, 2001, 2:54:30 AM11/14/01
to
In article <3BF0B788...@earthlink.net>, "Richard G. Phillips"
<rgp...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Jeffrey Brown can best be understood (say, rather, ONLY understood) as
> an extreme case of Jewish paranoia. Knowing this enables one to
> comprehend his bizarre antics and, possibly in certain instances, to
> excuse them.
>

> Around the core of the so-called Holocaust, he has constructed a body


> of religious dogma (it cannot be described in any other way) from which
> no dissent or deviation can be tolerated.

You are exaggerating. What you are dealing with is established


historical "truth". Historical "truth" is always a selective
interpretation and reconstruction of the past. Honest historical
criticism is always welcome. Pseudo-scientific garbage, such as the
Leuchter Report, presented by incompetent charlatans trumpeting "It
takes far more cyanide to kill people than than it does to kill lice,"
is not.

> THe principal tenets of this


> dogma are:
>
> (1) That the Hitler regime laid out a plan for the physical
> extermination of European Jewry and carried out that plan to the limits
> that their military successes allowed.

Hitler stated clearly before coming to power that his first priority if

> (2) That the principal instrument for these exterminations were mass
> execution gas chambers in special centres in Poland set up for that
> purpose.

The claim "principal instrument" is as tendentious as it is inaccurate.


The Nazis were world-class experts in the use of poison gas, and
historical evidence of various types indicates that they had mass
execution gas chambers at euthanasia centers (e.g. Sonnenstein,
Hadamar), concentration camps (e.g. Stutthof, Ravensbrück), and
dedicated extermination centers (e.g. Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor,
Treblinka,) in occupied Poland (e.g. Auschwitz-Birkenau, Majdanek) as
well as the Reich (e.g. Mauthausen, Ravensbrück) and occupied France
(e.g. Natzweiler).

>

> (3) That an important component of the programme were on-the-spot mass
> executions in occupied Russia, carried out by the Einsatzkommandos.

Not occupied Russia, but rather some of the _non-Russian_ parts of the


Soviet Union which they occuopied. Historical records produced by both
the Nazis and their victims document the murderous activities of the
Einsatzkommandos in Latvia, Lithuania, (Soviet-occupied eastern)
Poland, Byelorussia, Romania, and the Ukraine.

These on-the-spot mass executions are exceptionally well documented.
They were photographed and filmed in Liepaja and Riga, Latvia, in
Kaunas (Kovno) Lithuania, and elsewhere. Military reports documenting
them, such as the Jäger report chronicalling the murder of more than
130,000 Jews in Lithuania and Byelarussia also exist, and Jeckeln-type
sardine-packing mass graves, such as the ones of the Jews killed at
Ustonovka and Serniki in the Ukraine have been exhumed and investigated
forensically.

> (4) That, in the light of items (1) to (3), the Hitler regime must be


> considered not merely evil but UNIQUELY evil -- evil in a way that no
> other regime (including Stalinist Russia) ever was.

Hitler's regime was uniquely evil in wanting to physically exterminate


entire groups and races of people, including the Jews of Europe (not
just of Germany), as well as homosexuals, mulattos, the cogenitally
deformed, Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Eastern Slavs, and others deemed
inferior. Stalin's regime arguably produced more bodies, but it had
thirty years, while Hitler did his dirty work in twelve years. The
Stalin regime was against people with middle- or upper class origins,
but it recognized the concept of re-education. Hitler's regime did not
believe in the superiority of mind over matter, and it doomed people to
death because of their ethnicity: it did not invest in thenkind of
mind-over-matter usee by Stalin to "re-educate" people with putative
anti-Soviet mindsets.

>

> (5) That Europe's Jews were not merely victims, but they were PURE
> victims, people who had never, either individually or collectively, done
> anything that could possibly have brought such a castrophe upon
> themselves.

The Jews of Norway, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary,


Greece, France, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Poland, Bohemia and
Moravia, Slovakia, the USSR, Romania, Italy, Croatia, and Serbia, had
nothing to do with any problems Germany might have had with Jews. The
fact that certain quarters in Germany blamed the Jews collectively for
Germany's loss of WWI, American participation in that war, the
hyperinflation that followed, Marxism, and the world economic crisis of
the early 1930s his divorced from reality. Neither does the fact that

Jews such as the Paris-resident Byelorussian Jew Mark Chegall was


painting abstract pictures that the strict realist Hitler hated justify
exterminating all Jewish artists.

>

> (6) That World War II was the GOOD War, a war where all of the right was
> on our side and all of the evil was on the other. That all was black and
> white with no grey allowed.

No war is ever that simple. Nevertheless, WW II was begun when Hitler
took a gamble that was as cynical as it was evil. Hitler thought that
despite obligations on paper that Britin and France would defend
it, Poland could be attacked without its allies coming to its defense
because they wouldn't risk war with Germany for the sake of Poland.
Hitler erred, and the world has not been the same since.



> For Jeffrey, the slightest challenge to any of these tenets is regarded
> NOT as a wish to set the record straight, NOT as a wish to offer an
> alternative view of events, but, rather, as a wish to exculpate the
> Hitler regime.

When people try to argue that the Hitler regime was the best friend


the Jews ever had, or that the traces of residual cyanide on the walls
of structures all extant evidence indicates were gas chambers are the

result of fumigations that took place before the structures in question
were ever built, or that 6,000,000 European Jews were not killed, but
are alive and well in Miami and New York, the nonsense that they spread
has to be challenged.

> It necessarily follows that such people can only by "Nazi
> apologists" whose real motive is a SECOND Holocaust, this one to be more
> successful than the first. This explains why almost every one of his
> posts is couched in tones of either fury or ridicule. He is convinced he
> is dealing with evil people.

Jeffery IS dealing with evil people. Folks who would argue that a


well-documented continent-wide Nazi-driven campaign against the Jews

did not occur, or that the Jews brought it upon themselves, are indeed
evil.

> It also explains why he does not consider


> himself bound by the normal unwritten rules of discourse between
> civilized adults. His view is that because of the people he must deal
> with, those rules do not apply. THis explains why he will do or say
> ANYTHING to discredit an opponent including shameless invasion of an
> opponent's privacy (at the same time that he carefully protects his
> own).

The record appears to indicate that Jeffery got you not by invading your

Eugene Holman

unread,
Nov 14, 2001, 2:56:45 AM11/14/01
to
In article <3BF0B788...@earthlink.net>, "Richard G. Phillips"
<rgp...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Jeffrey Brown can best be understood (say, rather, ONLY understood) as
> an extreme case of Jewish paranoia. Knowing this enables one to
> comprehend his bizarre antics and, possibly in certain instances, to
> excuse them.
>

> Around the core of the so-called Holocaust, he has constructed a body


> of religious dogma (it cannot be described in any other way) from which
> no dissent or deviation can be tolerated.

You are exaggerating. What you are dealing with is established


historical "truth". Historical "truth" is always a selective
interpretation and reconstruction of the past. Honest historical
criticism is always welcome. Pseudo-scientific garbage, such as the
Leuchter Report, presented by incompetent charlatans trumpeting "It
takes far more cyanide to kill people than than it does to kill lice,"
is not.

> THe principal tenets of this


> dogma are:
>
> (1) That the Hitler regime laid out a plan for the physical
> extermination of European Jewry and carried out that plan to the limits
> that their military successes allowed.

Hitler stated clearly before coming to power that his first priority if

> (2) That the principal instrument for these exterminations were mass
> execution gas chambers in special centres in Poland set up for that
> purpose.

The claim "principal instrument" is as tendentious as it is inaccurate.


The Nazis were world-class experts in the use of poison gas, and
historical evidence of various types indicates that they had mass
execution gas chambers at euthanasia centers (e.g. Sonnenstein,
Hadamar), concentration camps (e.g. Stutthof, Ravensbrück), and
dedicated extermination centers (e.g. Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor,
Treblinka,) in occupied Poland (e.g. Auschwitz-Birkenau, Majdanek) as
well as the Reich (e.g. Mauthausen, Ravensbrück) and occupied France
(e.g. Natzweiler).

>

> (3) That an important component of the programme were on-the-spot mass
> executions in occupied Russia, carried out by the Einsatzkommandos.

Not occupied Russia, but rather some of the _non-Russian_ parts of the


Soviet Union which they occuopied. Historical records produced by both
the Nazis and their victims document the murderous activities of the
Einsatzkommandos in Latvia, Lithuania, (Soviet-occupied eastern)
Poland, Byelorussia, Romania, and the Ukraine.

These on-the-spot mass executions are exceptionally well documented.
They were photographed and filmed in Liepaja and Riga, Latvia, in
Kaunas (Kovno) Lithuania, and elsewhere. Military reports documenting
them, such as the Jäger report chronicalling the murder of more than
130,000 Jews in Lithuania and Byelarussia also exist, and Jeckeln-type
sardine-packing mass graves, such as the ones of the Jews killed at
Ustonovka and Serniki in the Ukraine have been exhumed and investigated
forensically.

> (4) That, in the light of items (1) to (3), the Hitler regime must be


> considered not merely evil but UNIQUELY evil -- evil in a way that no
> other regime (including Stalinist Russia) ever was.

Hitler's regime was uniquely evil in wanting to physically exterminate


entire groups and races of people, including the Jews of Europe (not
just of Germany), as well as homosexuals, mulattos, the cogenitally
deformed, Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Eastern Slavs, and others deemed
inferior. Stalin's regime arguably produced more bodies, but it had
thirty years, while Hitler did his dirty work in twelve years. The
Stalin regime was against people with middle- or upper class origins,
but it recognized the concept of re-education. Hitler's regime did not
believe in the superiority of mind over matter, and it doomed people to
death because of their ethnicity: it did not invest in thenkind of
mind-over-matter usee by Stalin to "re-educate" people with putative
anti-Soviet mindsets.

>

> (5) That Europe's Jews were not merely victims, but they were PURE
> victims, people who had never, either individually or collectively, done
> anything that could possibly have brought such a castrophe upon
> themselves.

The Jews of Norway, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary,


Greece, France, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Poland, Bohemia and
Moravia, Slovakia, the USSR, Romania, Italy, Croatia, and Serbia, had
nothing to do with any problems Germany might have had with Jews. The
fact that certain quarters in Germany blamed the Jews collectively for
Germany's loss of WWI, American participation in that war, the
hyperinflation that followed, Marxism, and the world economic crisis of
the early 1930s his divorced from reality. Neither does the fact that
Jews such as the Paris-resident Byelorussian Jew Mark Chegall was
painting abstract pictures that the strict realist Hitler hated justify
exterminating all Jewish artists.

>

> (6) That World War II was the GOOD War, a war where all of the right was
> on our side and all of the evil was on the other. That all was black and
> white with no grey allowed.

No war is ever that simple. Nevertheless, WW II was begun when Hitler


took a gamble that was as cynical as it was evil. Hitler thought that
despite obligations on paper that Britin and France would defend
it, Poland could be attacked without its allies coming to its defense
because they wouldn't risk war with Germany for the sake of Poland.
Hitler erred, and the world has not been the same since.

> For Jeffrey, the slightest challenge to any of these tenets is regarded
> NOT as a wish to set the record straight, NOT as a wish to offer an
> alternative view of events, but, rather, as a wish to exculpate the
> Hitler regime.

When people try to argue that the Hitler regime was the best friend


the Jews ever had, or that the traces of residual cyanide on the walls
of structures all extant evidence indicates were gas chambers are the
result of fumigations that took place before the structures in question
were ever built, or that 6,000,000 European Jews were not killed, but
are alive and well in Miami and New York, the nonsense that they spread
has to be challenged.

> It necessarily follows that such people can only by "Nazi


> apologists" whose real motive is a SECOND Holocaust, this one to be more
> successful than the first. This explains why almost every one of his
> posts is couched in tones of either fury or ridicule. He is convinced he
> is dealing with evil people.

Jeffrey IS dealing with evil people. Folks who would argue that a


well-documented continent-wide Nazi-driven campaign against the Jews
did not occur, or that the Jews brought it upon themselves, are indeed
evil.

> It also explains why he does not consider


> himself bound by the normal unwritten rules of discourse between
> civilized adults. His view is that because of the people he must deal
> with, those rules do not apply. THis explains why he will do or say
> ANYTHING to discredit an opponent including shameless invasion of an
> opponent's privacy (at the same time that he carefully protects his
> own).

The record appears to indicate that Jeffrey got you not by invading your

William Daffer

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Nov 14, 2001, 11:06:24 AM11/14/01
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"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> writes:


You can't even keep track of what you say from one post to the next.


> No I said Jews lie more than others.
>

No. In <3bf1dda4@nubby2.> you said:

"You are wrong Jeffery Philips does not lie ?. Only Jews lie."

*ONLY JEWS LIE*. I guess you are too stupid to understand that this
statement is logically equivalent to:

"If one is a Jew, then they lie *and* if they lie then they are a
Jew."


In my response Message-ID: <m2u1vy6...@ulysses.localdomain>, I said:

"So, everyone who lies is a Jew."

In *your* response to me, <3bf1e929@nubby2.>, you said:

"Yes you are right it just as true than your holocaust. Beyond a
shadow of course."

In my response, <m2zo5q5...@ulysses.localdomain>, I confirmed
your opinion, which, by that time, you had stated *twice*.


"Okay. Everyone who lies is a Jew."

to which the above is the reply.


So you asserted that "ONLY JEWS LIE", confirmed that opinion and
now you're in full backpeddle mode about what you said, all in the
space of four posts.

Way to go Kurt!

It's hard to understand how you could not have known what you said
just four posts and less than a day ago. I could, if I wanted, take
the position that your denial above was made in full knowledge that
it was false, Which would, according to your logic, compel you to
put on a yarmulke and start attending a yeshiva.

whd

William Daffer

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Nov 14, 2001, 11:08:56 AM11/14/01
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"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> writes:

> That is true you do not know how to handle it anyway.
>

Thanks for confirming that you're drinking heavily while
posting, but we already knew it.

whd

> Kurt Knoll


> =
> "William Daffer" <whda...@mediaone.net> wrote in message

> news:m2vgge5...@ulysses.localdomain...


> > "Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> writes:
> >
> > > The only drinks I ever take is a German Driving Brant called Schnapps. You
> > > should try it
> > > once.
> > >
> >
> > Thanks, but you're drinking enough for everyone who's posting here.
> >
> > whd

[snip]

--
In <20010827224114...@mb-mr.aol.com>,
posted: 2001-08-27 19:42:01 PST

Nicegoy said: "You are an idiot as well as a liar Daffy!"

On Aug 28, I asked him to produce the lie. He has yet to answer.

This .sig file will be used until he answers this question, or
retracts the claim.

William Daffer

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Nov 14, 2001, 11:18:31 AM11/14/01
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"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> writes:

> You like history but at the same time you hate revision. As a matter of fact you
> are like the rest
> of them. you prevent anyone to do further research if it harms you cause.
>

If you ever did anything that resembled 'research' you might have a complaint.

But in fact all you do is complain about being disallowed from doing
something you don't do anyway.

One wonders how you could possibly know that anyone is being
restricted. You can't know the door is locked until you try it.

whd

> Kurt Knoll.
> ===
> "Eugene Holman" <hol...@elo.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
> news:141120010956451047%hol...@elo.helsinki.fi...

--

William Daffer

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Nov 14, 2001, 7:18:38 PM11/14/01
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"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> writes:

> Great you took it hook line and sinker. Tell me how much do I drink or do I just
> joke about.
>

I have no idea how much you drink, except that everything your write
is nearly incoherent. Except this last response, strangely enough.
It's written in something very close to english and show none of your
usual idiosyncracies, like random capitalizations, strange
misspellings, bizarre non-sequitues and the nearly universal
tendency to put a space before the sentence terminator '.'.

In fact, you got it right twice!

Got a new handler, um Kurt?

In any case, you claim that you're drinking alot while posting, so
who am I to gainsay you?

whd

> Kurt Knoll.
> ======


> "William Daffer" <whda...@mediaone.net> wrote in message

> news:m2pu6lv6...@ulysses.localdomain...

--

William Daffer

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Nov 14, 2001, 8:48:44 PM11/14/01
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"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> writes:

> Oh I see you are studying to be an English Teacher.
>

I see you're back to incoherency.


> Don't count on me to pay attention.

Count on it.

whd


> Kurt Knoll.


> =====
> "William Daffer" <whda...@mediaone.net> wrote in message

> news:m2herxa...@ulysses.localdomain...


> > "Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> writes:
> >
> > > Great you took it hook line and sinker. Tell me how much do I drink or do I
> just
> > > joke about.
> > >
> >
> > I have no idea how much you drink, except that everything your write
> > is nearly incoherent. Except this last response, strangely enough.
> > It's written in something very close to english and show none of your
> > usual idiosyncracies, like random capitalizations, strange
> > misspellings, bizarre non-sequitues and the nearly universal
> > tendency to put a space before the sentence terminator '.'.
> >
> > In fact, you got it right twice!
> >
> > Got a new handler, um Kurt?
> >
> > In any case, you claim that you're drinking alot while posting, so
> > who am I to gainsay you?

whd

William Daffer

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Nov 14, 2001, 9:25:40 PM11/14/01
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"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> writes:

> You are coherent to what.


*LOL*

Kurt: *woof*

good doggie!

Sara

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Nov 15, 2001, 6:08:19 PM11/15/01
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In article <3bf32ae0@nubby2.>, "Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net>
wrote:

> You are coherent to what.
>

> Kurt Knoll.


Now THAT'S a keeper.

Sara

--
"It's always nice to see a prejudice overruled by a deeper prejudice."
John Sayles, _Lone Star_

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