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The Nizkor Project wrote:
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> CHANGES AT NIZKOR
>
> Nizkor is growing. Like all organizations that start at a grass-roots
> level, ours must adapt to growth and an increasing demand for our
> services. For this reason, we are re-structuring our system by
> delegating responsibilities and activities.
It looks like a self grandizing propaganda statement to me!
Horatio
Gord McFee
In message <5er3k3$t4k$1...@viper.txdirect.net> - niz...@veritas.nizkor.org
(The Nizkor Project) writes:
:>
:>CHANGES AT NIZKOR
:>
:>Nizkor is growing. Like all organizations that start at a grass-roots
:>level, ours must adapt to growth and an increasing demand for our
:>services. For this reason, we are re-structuring our system by
:>delegating responsibilities and activities.
Good show Nizkor. It is great to see that the struggle against deniers
and desecrators of the dead will continue unabated.
[rest of post deleted]
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Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time
Anthony Sabatini
Gord McFee <gmc...@ibm.net> wrote in article
<5etiai$1m7g$7...@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>...
> In message <5er3k3$t4k$1...@viper.txdirect.net> - niz...@veritas.nizkor.org
> (The Nizkor Project) writes:
> :>
> :>CHANGES AT NIZKOR
> :>
> :>Nizkor is growing. Like all organizations that start at a grass-roots
> :>level, ours must adapt to growth and an increasing demand for our
> :>services. For this reason, we are re-structuring our system by
> :>delegating responsibilities and activities.
>
> Good show Nizkor. It is great to see that the struggle against deniers
> and desecrators of the dead will continue unabated.
"Desecrators of the dead"?!? Isn't this a little too harsh and/or
inaccurate, Gord? If not, then how exactly do you define this term?
> [rest of post deleted]
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CCed to Gord McFee.
Gord McFee
In message <01bc2594$137910a0$4f7213cc@server> - "Anthony Sabatini"
<anth...@infobahnos.com> writes:
:>
:>Gord McFee <gmc...@ibm.net> wrote in article
I was talking of deniers. Scan the musings of Matt Giwer, Tom Moron or
"Doc Tavish" some time and you will understand my point.
Just one example. Mr. "Tavish" just made a "joke" about Stroop (the SS
general who annihilated the Warsaw Ghetto) as being good at chasing rats
from their basements. He is a racist, sexist, stupid pig. He
desecrates the dead. He is a denier.
Posted and e-mailed.
Sara aka Perrrfect
In article <01bc2594$137910a0$4f7213cc@server>, "Anthony Sabatini"
<anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
> "Desecrators of the dead"?!? Isn't this a little too harsh and/or
> inaccurate, Gord? If not, then how exactly do you define this term?
>
Perhaps you might go back and read some of the comments Matt Giwer has made
about my relatives who were killed in the Holocaust. He certainly did his
best to desecrate their memory.
Sara
--
"Crawl back in your hole and stay there. We'll make sure the Net is safe
for you to breed your contempt in other places. Just don't try it here."
Brock Meeks, in a public note to Neo-Nazi Ernst Zundel, quoted in
Internet Workd magazine, 3/97
Gord McFee
In message <schwartz-ya023180...@news.infinet.com> -
schw...@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
:>
:>In article <01bc2594$137910a0$4f7213cc@server>, "Anthony Sabatini"
:><anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
:>
:>> "Desecrators of the dead"?!? Isn't this a little too harsh and/or
:>> inaccurate, Gord? If not, then how exactly do you define this term?
:>>
:>
:>Perhaps you might go back and read some of the comments Matt Giwer has made
:>about my relatives who were killed in the Holocaust. He certainly did his
:>best to desecrate their memory.
In fact, it was some of those comments that I had in mind when I wrote
the lines.
James Seymour McTavish
Gord McFee wrote:
>
> In message <01bc2594$137910a0$4f7213cc@server> - "Anthony Sabatini"
> <anth...@infobahnos.com> writes:
> :>
> :>Gord McFee <gmc...@ibm.net> wrote in article
> :><5etiai$1m7g$7...@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>...
> :>> In message <5er3k3$t4k$1...@viper.txdirect.net> - niz...@veritas.nizkor.org
> :>> (The Nizkor Project) writes:
> :>> :>
> :>> :>CHANGES AT NIZKOR
> :>> :>
> :>> :>Nizkor is growing. Like all organizations that start at a grass-roots
> :>> :>level, ours must adapt to growth and an increasing demand for our
> :>> :>services. For this reason, we are re-structuring our system by
> :>> :>delegating responsibilities and activities.
> :>>
> :>> Good show Nizkor. It is great to see that the struggle against deniers
> :>> and desecrators of the dead will continue unabated.
> :> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> :>
> :>inaccurate, Gord? If not, then how exactly do you define this term?
>
> "Doc Tavish" some time and you will understand my point.
What about all the dead from the Bolshevik Revolution?
>
> Just one example. Mr. "Tavish" just made a "joke" about Stroop
Because your pal made a joke about a nutcase killing a German diplomat.
> (the SS
> general who annihilated the Warsaw Ghetto) as being good at chasing rats
> from their basements.
If you want to play that way I'll post some of your sides "jokes" about
nailing our saviour to a tree if this is your game of smear the Tavish!
I'll play and I'll win. If a rabbi can say "1000 Arabs aren't worth a
Jew's fingernail" the I can say what I said about Stroop. He went after
armed combatants BUT about the one nailed to a tree, he was the Son of
God. Do you wish to compare a 200 or so Jews to the Son of God? I am
wanting to play your game with you Gord. Just let me know the rules! :-)
Tavish
> He is a racist, sexist, stupid pig. He
> desecrates the dead. He is a denier.
Okay Gord do you wish to write Seyf and "deny" that Jews are doing SS
type torture to Palestinians. Do you wish to prove that you aren't a
denier. Chuck says that I worry about what Jews did thousands of years
ago and so what I say is not relevant. You say what goes in Israel now
is not relevant to the thread. In other words any thing that Jews do in
the line of atrocities is not relevant. You all can only talk about what
Germans did to Jews and that is it! Seyf's letter is attached below in
this post!
Tavish
In article <5f9g87$1hrk$7...@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>, Gord McFee
<gmc...@ibm.net> writes
>In message <331799...@phenix.net> - Theodore Cleaver McTavish
><tav...@phenix.net> writes:
>:>
>:>Chuck Ferree wrote:
>:>>
>:>> Chuck Ferree wrote:
>:>>
>:>> doc, we are not playing tit for tat here, if you'll pardon the
>:>> expression. This is the Year of Our Lord 1997, what's happening in the
>:>> world today, has nothing to do with Nazi war crimes. So stick to the
>:>> subject, or have another party. Something useful.
>:>
>:>Theodore wrote:
>:>Let us talk about the present then. I won't bring up Nazi War Crimes BUT
>:>what
>:>about Jewish Crimes Against Humanity as documented by Amnesty
>:>International?
>
>I am sorry Mr Phelps, but that thread is irrelevant to the purpose of
>this newsgroup. According to the rules laid down by erstwhile (and
>seemingly departed) "moderator" Matt Giwer, you are hereby ordered to
>stop this immediately.
>
>Try and keep up. I know it is difficult for people like you, but try.
>
>--
>Gord McFee
>I'll write no line before its time
>
To who ever is listening out there, there is some thing I have to say,
human rights violation against palestinians committed by ISREALIES are
so numerous that that I don't have enough room to put them down here,
yet, people condemn the palestinian resistence groups, like Hamas, and
congratulate the Isrealy government for fighting them and suppressing
palestinian freedom, an example of this is the constant aid by the U.S.
to isreal, and by agreeing with the need of isreal to occupy surrounding
land so that they can defend their borders ( the sinai invasion affair
).
So I want to ask all that are reading this what should palestininian
muslims do when their houses are demolished infront of them? What should
do when their sons because they are throwing their stones at the
oppressing isrealy soldiers, get burried alive, what should they do when
their bretheren are killed infront the third most holly mosque there is
for ALL muslims? What should they do when they see themselves treated as
foreigners in their own land? Are people surprised and disgusted by
their lashing out at the west? what do you expect them to do? turn the
other cheek while their homes were being wrecked, and their sons killed
and their bretherens shot? I do not think so! by god as long as the
isrealies do not respect that palestinians have a right to all of
palestine then their will be no rest of blood being spilt to compensate
for the rivers that that the isrealies have spilt?
One thing Why when the jews were put into concentration camps and killed
people rose and objected and the same thing was happening inisreal
people looked away? My blood boils when I see Mr netanyahu claiming
that he has all the right in the world to take any peice of land and
claim it because of " security reasons" no body objects but if it is the
weak little arab country that has no nuclear arsenal, (unlike isreal)
then the good old american values kick in and america is threatening
with hells and bells?
I think you can see the world as it really is by looking at the rise of
the isrealy state, and how now in 1997, it is doing what it has always
done but people still see no objection to what ever is around it?
I personally knew many people that lost their son's and daughters thanks
to isrealy soldiers,and their husbands and wives. But does any body
cares but if it is an attack by the "extremist groups" everybody takes
notice and is busy condemning the action.
I concider these groups as resistense groups, not terrorists doing what
is nesassaryto free their land, and their measures noless like the ones
of the allied forces against germany ( bombing of certain cevillian
cities etc).
But will anybody take that veiw...
Another thing what is the differnce between these extremists and the
IRA? yet the IRA was given asylum by america,and was given hospitality,
uet when it came to the palestinian cause what di the american
government do? deport, sentence them to prison..... No wonder muslims
all over the world believe that the world is against them...
When I remeber the pictures of children being hancuffed and put into the
graves I just can't help myself...
--
Seyf ferjani
>
> Posted and e-mailed.
Anthony Sabatini
> In message <schwartz-ya023180...@news.infinet.com> -
> schw...@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> :>
> :>In article <01bc2594$137910a0$4f7213cc@server>, "Anthony Sabatini"
> :><anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
> :>
> :>> inaccurate, Gord? If not, then how exactly do you define this term?
> :>
> :>Perhaps you might go back and read some of the comments Matt Giwer has
made
> :>about my relatives who were killed in the Holocaust. He certainly did
his
> :>best to desecrate their memory.
>
> In fact, it was some of those comments that I had in mind when I wrote
> the lines.
In this particular case, Matt Giwer is not guilty. I have researched the
posts in questions and talked with Sara through e-mail about it. If
inclined, she may post something here about it... I sent her a summation of
the posts in questions and pointed out that while he was certainly crude
with regards to how he asked his questions, he did not "desecrate the dead"
as I define it.
(Now watch me get flak for _daring_ to 'defend' the infamous Matt Giwer!
Well before anyone does, I'd like to point out that even Mike Stein has
recently done so on the grounds that truth is truth, regardless of the
person in question. Please keep this in mind before flaming me.)
[.sig snipped]
CCed to Gord McFee and Sara aka Perrrfect.
Mark Van Alstine
In article <01bc2902$ab862560$417213cc@server>, "Anthony Sabatini"
<anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
[snip]
> In this particular case, Matt Giwer is not guilty. I have researched the
> posts in questions and talked with Sara through e-mail about it. If
> inclined, she may post something here about it... I sent her a summation of
> the posts in questions and pointed out that while he was certainly crude
> with regards to how he asked his questions, he did not "desecrate the dead"
> as I define it.
How _do_ you define descrating the dead in this context, Mr. "Sabatini?"
Are you seriouslyu suggesting that following examples of some of the
malicious (and crude) comments made by the the Giwer-swine, in the context
of discussing Ms. Schwartz relatives who were murdered in the Holocaust,
were _not_ a desecration of their memory? (Not to mention an intentional
cruelty towards Ms. Schwartz.)
==================================================================
In article <4ragj3$m...@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>, mgi...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> In keeping with your analogy of sublimating grief, even at that level,
> given a 75 year average life span, at least 2/3s of the people
> sublimating in public were not even born until after 1945. It is not
> clear why there is any grief to sublimate for them.
In article <4rc4n9$9...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, mgi...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> Normal people do not mourn even their own deceased parents for years.
> You appear to have succomb to some kind of cultural admonishmion to do so.
> If in fact you are not twisting the meaning of mourning, your behavior
> is very abnormal. You are the kind of person I have talked about.
In article <4upi1m$l...@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>, mgi...@ix.netcom.com
(Matt Giwer) wrote:
> Excuse me, but like here, those "afffected" are bemoaning relatives
> they never knew. In many cases they a decade or three before they
> were born. Their "losses" are two and three generations back. It is
> quite impossible to miss what you never had.
In article <52es0d$d...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
mgi...@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) wrote:
> What did you see a picture of? An open pit? Then you must have
> been able to identify their bodies in it. If not, how do you know they died
> in that "pit"? If it was not an open pit, how badly was the vegitation
> disturbed?
==================================================================
> (Now watch me get flak for _daring_ to 'defend' the infamous Matt Giwer!
> Well before anyone does, I'd like to point out that even Mike Stein has
> recently done so on the grounds that truth is truth, regardless of the
> person in question. Please keep this in mind before flaming me.)
"Flak" indeed. Rather, Mr. "Sabatini," I am simply curious as to the
motivations for your maladroit behavior in speciously suggesting that the
"truth" about the Giwer-swine's despicable insults regarding his malicious
descration of the memory of the dead is anything other the Giwer-swine's
pro forma puerile and besotted behavior.
And, of course, _your_ usual deceitfullness.
For those interested in proof of Mr. "Sabitini's" Holocaust denial,
intellectual dishonesty, anti-Semitism, and outright lies, please peruse
DejaNews and visit the Nizkor Project at:
http://www.dejanews.com/
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/s/sabatini.anthony
Mark
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"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes
not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
right through every human heart--and all human hearts."
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Hilary Ostrov
On 5 Mar 97 01:15:50 GMT, in <01bc2902$ab862560$417213cc@server>,
"Anthony Sabatini" <anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
[re the troll]
>
>In this particular case, Matt Giwer is not guilty. I have researched the
>posts in questions and talked with Sara through e-mail about it. If
>inclined, she may post something here about it... I sent her a summation of
>the posts in questions and pointed out that while he was certainly crude
>with regards to how he asked his questions, he did not "desecrate the dead"
>as I define it.
>
>(Now watch me get flak for _daring_ to 'defend' the infamous Matt Giwer!
"_daring_" Mr. Sabatini? To the contrary! All it takes to 'defend'
the boorish witless troll is an inability to read or comprehend the
English language. Alternatively, intellectual dishonesty - such as
you have demonstrated in your postings here - would probably suffice.
Perhaps at the same time you provide us with your unique definition of
the word "desecrate" you will also provide us with your definition of
the word "daring." Your failure to do so will simply confirm that,
like others who have preceded you, your defense of the troll is
nothing more than a warm-up exercise in whitewashing. Come to think
of it, I cannot imagine any definition of "daring" in this context
which would be anything other than a warm-up exercise in whitewashing.
So you lose, either way, Mr. Sabatini. Sorry about that.
>Well before anyone does, I'd like to point out that even Mike Stein has
>recently done so on the grounds that truth is truth, regardless of the
>person in question. Please keep this in mind before flaming me.)
Indeed "truth is truth," Mr. Sabatini. You should try it sometime.
You might find that you like it. It would be a pleasant change from
the feeble attempts at deflection, such as you have demonstrated
above.
Btw, Mr. Sabatini, have you by any chance met Ehrlich606? I rather
think you have much in common with him. I was particularly struck by
the similarities in your respective refusals to accept responsibility
for your words. Although I do have to agree that your
characterization of choice, i.e. "bluster," is an apt description of
many of your posts here. In fact, when perusing your posts, I
frequently found myself yawning and thinking, "Ah, well, more BS*
[tm]"
* Bluster [from] Sabatini.
Posted/e-mailed to Mr. Sabatini
hro
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Hilary Ostrov
E-mail: hos...@uniserve.com
WWW: http://users.uniserve.com/~hostrov/
The Nizkor Project http://www.nizkor.org/
Michael P. Stein
In article <01bc2a35$b6efbf90$4a7213cc@server>,
Anthony Sabatini <anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
>Mark Van Alstine <mvan...@rbi.com> wrote in article
><mvanalst-050...@rbi143.rbi.com>...
[...]
>> "Flak" indeed. Rather, Mr. "Sabatini," I am simply curious as to the
>> motivations for your maladroit behavior in speciously suggesting that the
>> "truth" about the Giwer-swine's despicable insults regarding his
>malicious
>> descration of the memory of the dead is anything other the Giwer-swine's
>> pro forma puerile and besotted behavior.
>
>The only "motivation" on my part here is fairness. Whatever other failing
>Mr. Giwer may have, he is innocent _in this particular instance_. Even your
>own quotes above show crudeness and a lack of civility, but this is a far
>cry from the charge of "desecrating the dead".
Even adjusting this to "desecrating the memory of the dead" - I am
sure Mark Van Alstine would agree that Mr. Giwer did not go and dig up the
bodies and mutilate them! - I can see how there can be legitimate
differences of opinion on this based solely on exactly how one defines the
phrase. I think both of you ought to define your terms more explicitly;
it sounds to me as if you're really arguing over language, not Giwer. You
both seem to agree he was rude, crude, and obnoxious; it's just whether
that _particular_ kind of crudeness can be called "desecration of the
[memory of] the dead" as opposed to simply "showing a total lack of taste
and sensitivity for the feelings of others _about_ the dead."
[...]
--
Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
Anthony Sabatini
> <anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > In this particular case, Matt Giwer is not guilty. I have researched
the
> > posts in questions and talked with Sara through e-mail about it. If
> > inclined, she may post something here about it... I sent her a
summation of
> > the posts in questions and pointed out that while he was certainly
crude
> > with regards to how he asked his questions, he did not "desecrate the
dead"
> > as I define it.
>
Giwer!
> > recently done so on the grounds that truth is truth, regardless of the
> > person in question. Please keep this in mind before flaming me.)
>
> motivations for your maladroit behavior in speciously suggesting that the
> "truth" about the Giwer-swine's despicable insults regarding his
malicious
> descration of the memory of the dead is anything other the Giwer-swine's
> pro forma puerile and besotted behavior.
The only "motivation" on my part here is fairness. Whatever other failing
Mr. Giwer may have, he is innocent _in this particular instance_. Even your
own quotes above show crudeness and a lack of civility, but this is a far
cry from the charge of "desecrating the dead".
It is always amusing to see how Mr. Van Alstine (among many) gets all
worked up about Matt Giwer. In Van Alstine's case, it appears as if he is
unable to control the seething hate and rage in his heart. I am pleased to
see Van Alstine showing his true colors! :-) His rants and rages are
particularly funny, and I am glad that he continues to spew hatred onto
Usenet, for it just goes to show what kind of person he really is.
> And, of course, _your_ usual deceitfullness.
There, there, Mr. Van Alstine. Might I suggest valium for your problem?
[Van Alstine's usual slander and .sig deleted]
Mark Van Alstine (allegedly one Stuart Pidley) is, as far as I can tell, a
virulent spewer of mistruths, a slanderous serpent and has a most peculiar
interest for building demolition procedures, something which most honest
citizens do not share. His ranting, mewling and temper tantrums, along with
his foul verbiage and assorted excrement, can be found regularly in
alt.revisionism, one of his favorite haunts.
For more information on this incorrigible poisonous snake, please see:
http://search.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=van%20alstine%20mark
http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/v/van-alstine.mark
Gord McFee
In message <01bc2a35$b6efbf90$4a7213cc@server> - 97 13:53:43 GMT writes:
:>
:>Mark Van Alstine <mvan...@rbi.com> wrote in article
:><mvanalst-050...@rbi143.rbi.com>...
[deleted]
:>The only "motivation" on my part here is fairness. Whatever other failing
:>Mr. Giwer may have, he is innocent _in this particular instance_. Even your
:>own quotes above show crudeness and a lack of civility, but this is a far
:>cry from the charge of "desecrating the dead".
Mr. Sabatini, I missed your post on this, although I got the e-mail. I
must say that I am disappointed you would defend Giwer in this
situation. What he did was last year was mock the fact that Ms.
Schwartz had lost much of her family in the Holocaust. Here is an
excerpt from an article I wrote to the group last August:
<begin quote>
It is the sign of a desperate man. He is in deep trouble and he is
finally
starting to realize it. He is also beginning to understand that it is
of his
own doing. He is a pathetic and lonely man. Were he not so anti-human,
I
would feel sorry for him. But every time I start to, I remember the
mocking
of a person who lost almost her entire family in the Holocaust. I
remember
the joke about gypsies "shitting in a gas chamber". I remember the
"fatbroad". I remember the "sperm receptacle" remark. And I don't feel
sorry
for him. I feel sorry for us.
<end quote>
If what he said about the Gypsies in the gas chamber is not desecrating
the dead, if the multitude of horrific remarks he made to Ms. Schwartz
is not desecration of the dead, I don't know what is.
holo hugger
On 6 Mar 1997 17:58:06 -0500, mst...@access5.digex.net (Michael P.
Stein) wrote:
>In article <01bc2a35$b6efbf90$4a7213cc@server>,
>Anthony Sabatini <anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
>>Mark Van Alstine <mvan...@rbi.com> wrote in article
>><mvanalst-050...@rbi143.rbi.com>...
>
>[...]
>
>>> "Flak" indeed. Rather, Mr. "Sabatini," I am simply curious as to the
>>> motivations for your maladroit behavior in speciously suggesting that the
>>> "truth" about the Giwer-swine's despicable insults regarding his
>>malicious
>>> descration of the memory of the dead is anything other the Giwer-swine's
>>> pro forma puerile and besotted behavior.
>>
>>The only "motivation" on my part here is fairness. Whatever other failing
>>Mr. Giwer may have, he is innocent _in this particular instance_. Even your
>>own quotes above show crudeness and a lack of civility, but this is a far
>>cry from the charge of "desecrating the dead".
>
> Even adjusting this to "desecrating the memory of the dead" -
Excuse me, but there is no such thing. Total created bullshit.
Your great-great grandfather was a serial murderer. If that does not
excite you then neither does this holocaust thing. Please get your
imagined emotions together in one place.