RE Dismissal of 1999-C-2786 Edeiken Vs Bradbury R_0216
----> Tavish <----
failed was dismissed solely on account of jurisdiction. This is simply not true.
I have maintained the fact the court was made aware that I was never served with
a copy of the complaint made against me-- and the same being done to David
Michael. I have been gathering together all documents concerning the malicious
prosecution against me (which is now being used to smear me) and I came across
the "Request for Relief From Judgment" document which even my naysayers should
be able to get from the court clerk and it plainly states (in part):
Filed September 22, 2000
PETTION FOR RELIEF FROM JUDGMENT
COMES NOW, the defendant, Scott Bradbury, by and through his counsel Daylin B.
Leach, Esquire, to petition this honorable court for Relief from Judgment,
pursuant to Pa. R.C.P. 237.3. In support of this petition, the defendant avers
the following:
On August 25, 2000, the Plaintiff filed a Praecipe for Default Judgment with
this court. A true and correct copy of which is hereto and marked as "Exhibit
A."
Since a complaint has never been filed or served, the defendant is unable to
attach a copy of preliminary objections he would file if the judgment was opened
pursuant to Pa.R.C.P. 237.3 (a).
Respectfully submitted
Daylin B. Leach Esquire
<END>
The above document should be easily obtained from the Lehigh County Office of
Court Clerks! IOW I was NEVER allowed to defend myself against numerous perjured
false accusations as detailed in this archive:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&selm=ja362v4amltqohp97uo053rju5erbf80qr%404ax.com
Subject: Ken McVay's "Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1" Is Filled With Lies and Perjury...
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:23:54 -0600
Message-ID: <ja362v4amltqohp97...@4ax.com>
Also this document should be available too:
Andrea E. Naugle
CLERK OF COURTS OF LEHIGH COUNTY - CIVIL DIVISION
Lehigh County Courthouse
455 W. Hamilton Street
Allentown, PA 18101-1614
RE: Edeiken Vs Bradbury 1999-C-2786
Partial text of letter from Judge Reibman:
<START>
Copies of this order were mailed to all counsel of record and pro se litigants.
CC: Counsel for Plaintiff (Yale F. Edeiken): Yale F. Edeiken Esq.
Counsel for Defendant (Scott Bradbury) : Daylin B. Leach Esq.
ORDER
AND NOW, this 12th day of June, 2001, upon consideration of Defendant's
Petition for Relief from Judgment, filed on September 22, 2000,
Plaintiff's response thereto, and argument thereon on February 7, 2001,
IT IS ORDERED said petition is GRANTED, and the case is DISMISSED.
[...]
BY THE COURT:
(Signed) Edward J. Reibman, J.
<STOP>
Do not forget-- Yale did exactly the same thing to David E. Michael (so he has a
pattern of being deceptive):
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=39BBB347...@onetel.net.uk&lr=&hl=en
Message-ID: <39BBB347...@onetel.net.uk>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:13:59 +0100
From: david_michael <david_...@onetel.net.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: The other Edeiken lawsuit
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X-Trace: 10 Sep 2000 17:14:15 GMT, async170-6.nas.onetel.net.uk
[...]
Mr Edeiken has filed a lawsuit against me in Pennsylvania. No documents
were ever served on me with regard to this lawsuit. Moreover, it stated
no cause of action. As Mr Edeiken had obviously assumed that I would
chicken out, allowing the thing simply to lapse unserved, I appointed an
attorney in PA to deal with him in a very non-chickenly way.
I recently received a communication from that attorney's paralegal that
stated, inter alia:
<begin quote>
Please be advised that we have filed the Rule to Show Cause in your
case. Mr. Edeiken must now move forward with this matter and file a
complaint . . . we are awaiting the statutory allowed time period during
which Mr. Edeiken can make a response.
<end quote>
Mr Edeiken evidently thought that he could use the law to silence
certain revisionist posters here.
We are now waiting for HIM to produce his arguments and evidence and
place them before the courts where he may rest assured that they will
meet a vigorous response.
~~End Of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
The fact that my opposition has to use lies and smears against me based on legal
system abuse only shows how evil they are.
I state the above as a more elaborate reply to:
From: John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.general,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: 3 Questions Ken McVay Refuses to Answer..
Organization: at University of Alberta
Reply-To: John....@UAlberta.CA
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References: <VCVTTZTG3763...@anonymous.poster>
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In <kk0c2v0ki4l09oujm...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
on 16 Jan 2003 00:57:25 GMT, Tavish
<RemoveHyphens2M...@ix.net-co-m.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:03:38 GMT,
> <ang72v0jv6q4k16uf...@4ax.com> John Morris
> <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:
> >In <3e237...@news.newsgroups.com> in alt.revisionism, on Tue, 14
> >Jan 2003 02:09:04 -0000, "David" <da...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
> >> "John Morris" <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
> >> news:el062vknbgtldq7qp...@4ax.com...
> >> > In <3e229...@news.newsgroups.com> in alt.revisionism, on
> >> > Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:20:55 -0000, "David" <da...@onetel.net.uk>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > The thing to note about Ken McVay and his Nizkor project is
> >> > > that he usually only gives one side of the story. In this
> >> > > case McVay reposts a complaint made by Yale F Edeiken about
> >> > > Scott Bradbury in a court in Pennsylvania. The tiny point he
> >> > > forgets to mention is that Edeiken's action was ultimately
> >> > > unsuccessful -- i.e. he was crushed.
> >> > Funny how netkook David E. Michael routinely neglects to
> >> > mention that the law suit was "crushed" solely on
> >> > jurisdictional grounds, or what the lay public will sometimes
> >> > refer to as "a technicality."
<<Scott Bradbury comment: NOT TRUE and the document above proves you to be
incorrect. The fact I was never served with the complaints was also entered-- a
critical fact you and your fellows continually wish to ignore!!>>
> Funny that you won't accept the fact I was not given a chance to
> defend myself
Sure you were. No point in whining about it now.
<<Scott Bradbury comment: How can a person defend themselves when they had not
had complaints formally made against them!? Funny that Ken McVay got the
complaints which I should have received instead!!>
> against those accusations seeing how I never was furnished with a
> copy of them nor my attorney.
I guess you get what you pay for. Now, if you'd actually hired a
lawyer, he might have asked that all those writs and subpoenas and
requests for depositions be sent to him rather than marked "Return to
Sender."
<<Scott Bradbury comment: I did what was legal and proper and it was Yale who
violated a legal agreement to no longer make direct contact with me-- another
fact you choose to ignore and yes he did make an agreement too! This archive
proves my point too:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=90vqqsoqvs8chqc414bl1sk1r5i3140id7%404ax.com&rnum=3
Subject: Disciplinary Rules and a Bold Faced Pathological Liar -- Yale F.
"Tubby" Edeiken
Message-ID: <90vqqsoqvs8chqc41...@4ax.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:21:59 GMT
Your side always maintains I had no attorney prior to August 25, 2000 BUT if I
didn't then why did Yale F. Edeiken issue a subpoena to my attorney July 2000?
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=oghmnt40ao9l6brg2vigq5f6p7i1ci1o4s%404ax.com&rnum=9
Subject: Once Again I Prove I had an Attorney Prior to August 25, 2000..
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:18:20 -0500
Message-ID: <oghmnt40ao9l6brg2...@4ax.com>
<<Doc Tavish comment March 27, 2001: How could my attorney who told
Edeiken on May 29, 2000 that I was his client file when he had not
received the complaint? Edeiken did my attorney the same way he did
David's! As for me not having an attorney then why did Yale F. Edeiken
on "July 14, 2000 PLTF'S NOTICE OF INTENT TO SERVE A SUBPOENA TO PRODUCE
DOCUMENTS AND THINGS FOR DISCOVERY UPON DAYLIN LEACH. AFDT OF SERVICE
ATTACHED." This is on the docket of Edeiken Vs Bradbury 1999-C-2786
and anyone may obtain the docket for $3.00 and here is how
Andrea Naugle -- Clerk Civil Court
Lehigh County Court House
Room 202
4555 West Hamilton Street
Allentown, Pennsylvania 18101-1614
610-782-3148
and "Request Docket Printout for Edeiken Vs Bradbury 1999-C-2786"
... END OF COMMENT>>
> Strange that Edeiken provided Ken McVay copies of them and they
> were posted to USENET long after that lawsuit was over with.
As I recall, they only went up on Nizkor after a judgment was entered
against you.
<<Scott Bradbury: Still McVay got a copy and I never did! You condone legal
system abuse and dishonesty-- therefore you are vermin in my eyes.>>
> It is only natural
> that the court would dismiss the lawsuit on any grounds seeing how
> it could not be tried!
But it wasn't *any* grounds. It was on the grounds of jurisdiction.
Not a factual refutation of the allegations against you.
Jurisdiction.
<<Scott Bradbury comment: You better re-read that Petition For Relief From
Judgment Document! There was NO way I could have refuted allegations made
against me seeing how I was never served the allegations. The document I cited
above is also a court record and it proves Yale F. Edeiken did not lose on JUST
jurisdiction which is what all of you want to believe!>>
> If I had the chance
You had the chance. You were told what was being sent to you. But
you paid nothing for legal advice and basically got nothing for legal
advice.
<<Scott Bradbury comment: I hardly think Daylin Leach worked on my behalf for
free! It was he who told me to return the documents to Yale unopened which
violated a written agreement Yale made to stop making direct contact with me.
Live with it John!>>
> then to see the accusations made against me with all the
> perjury
Perjury is an act defined in law and decided in a court of law. You
have not proved perjury.
> and manufacturing of evidence along with the Plaintiff doing a
> flub-a-dub and admitting he made death threats against me then the
> Plaintiff would have had his law license revoked and he would have
> been criminally prosecuted and YES-- it is not too late to re-open
> it either
Oh sure. Christmas is coming and a cold day in hell. You never do
anything but mouth off.
> and let my side of
> the matter be properly submitted.
Why didn't you take the opportunity when you had the chance?
<<Scott Bradbury comment: How could I when I did not know what I was accused
of!?>>
> This is positive proof concerning the great
> injustice against me:
Yeah, yeah. Positive proof. From a guy who thinks he has positive
proof that a website hosted by toronto.trends.ca is in San Antonio.
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&selm=ja362v4amltqohp97uo053rju5e
> rbf80qr%404ax.com Subject: Ken McVay's "Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1" Is
> Filled With Lies and Perjury... Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:23:54
> -0600
> Message-ID: <ja362v4amltqohp97...@4ax.com>
The only injustice done to you was done *by* you. You let yourself
be manipulated by creeps who left you holding the bag. And now it
looks you are pals with them again. As for the lawsuit, you got off
lucky.
<<Scott Bradbury comment: Edeiken was the one who was lucky because if I was
able to counter his false accusations he would have lost his license and
probably had some time behind bars.>>
I don't feel sorry for you at all.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=boh92vcvp6mjr458u34t2mo37te4167ub9%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Bernstein the Jew "ADMITS" Making Death Threat Against Me aka Re: I am
going to put a bullet in Scott Bradbury's skull.
Message-ID: <boh92vcvp6mjr458u...@4ax.com>
References: <c0l62vc3btp3ga2tl...@4ax.com>
<7L6BQA9R3763...@anonymous.poster>
Date: 15 Jan 2003 02:51:05 GMT
[MUST READ!! Two of my opposition make death threats against me and when I
declare I have a legal right of self defense they turn around and accuse me
of threatening them- thus implicating themselves as the real source of the
two original death threats made against me.]
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=SH9g7.634%247d....@newshog.newsread.com&lr=&hl=en
From: "Yale F. Edeiken" <ya...@enter.net>
Subject: Re: The Common Thread To All These Cancel Announcements...
Message-ID: <SH9g7.634$7d.2...@newshog.newsread.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:06:26 GMT
Defendant Bradshit <rdoc_...@my-deja.cpm, tavi...@ix.netcom,com> wrote
in message news:7lp1otkrsh37k7ioi...@4ax.com...
[...]
> Care to tell all of us why both Todd Miller and Paul Trainor distanced
> themselves from you
Because they were dealing with someone who was "mentally unstable"
(their dscription) and a "crazy man" (again, their description) who they
wanted to go away as quckly as possible.
~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~
Black Knight
Get a job, you bum.
----> Tavish <----
kni...@indystart.com (Black Knight) wrote:
>Get a job, you bum.
My life is not any of your business you Pharisee. I am retired and I, unlike
your pal Ken McVay who regularly begs for donations, am not a bum. I am self
sufficient and Ken McVay is not. You should be telling him to get a job instead
of devising some self serving FUND after another!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=rhao2v4fbuij94mcmi6sicj73sa4eifsns%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Nizkor LHR Fund; Just Another Self Serving FUND Like the Nizkor
Endowment and Trust Funds?
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:56:49 -0600
Message-ID: <rhao2v4fbuij94mcm...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3e060868_1%40news2.uncensored-news.com&rnum=1
Subject: Is NIZKOR Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam?
Message-ID: <3e060...@news2.uncensored-news.com>
Date: 22 Dec 2002 18:46:15 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3e235877_3%40news2.uncensored-news.com&rnum=1
Subject: Did Ken McVay pay tax on those $50,000+ donations he denies receiving?
Message-ID: <3e235...@news2.uncensored-news.com>
Date: 14 Jan 2003 00:23:26 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=kpbl2v8od8empt5mdkt30k3t8ehs5q3jeh%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Nizkor's Ken McVay Caught Lying Big Time About his San Antonio
Connection!
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:17:47 -0600
Message-ID: <kpbl2v8od8empt5md...@4ax.com>
----> Tavish <----
kni...@indystart.com (Black Knight) wrote:
Try refuting what I post on basis of evidence and fact you stupid vermin swine.
You can't refute me and that is why you act like a vermin and use smear instead
and it is no wonder people have hated your kind throughout time. Chutzpa does
not refute fact and never forget it vermin!!
>Get a job, you bum.
BTW I have told you numerous times that I am retired but seeing how you are a
stupid swine and dumb vermin you keep forgetting! Your comrade McVay is the BUM
who needs to get a real job!
John Morris
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In <aomv4vofhbl2q46bq...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
on Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:42:28 -0600, "----> Tavish <----"
<t--avi-...@ix.n-etc-om.comRemoveHyphens2Mail> wrote:
> > >> > Funny how netkook David E. Michael routinely neglects to
> > >> > mention that the law suit was "crushed" solely on
> > >> > jurisdictional grounds, or what the lay public will
> > >> > sometimes refer to as "a technicality."
> <<Scott Bradbury comment: NOT TRUE and the document above proves
> you to be incorrect. The fact I was never served with the
> complaints was also entered-- a critical fact you and your fellows
> continually wish to ignore!!>>
The petition for dismissal quoted at the beiginning of your message
was not cited in the judgment on appeal. The sole grounds for
dismissal cited by the judge was jurisdiction.
You had your chance. You were warned that documents were served upon
you. Coupled with your thoroughly despicable behavior, you have no
one to blame but yourself.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Black Knight
> failed was dismissed solely on account of jurisdiction. This is simply not true.
>
<deletia>
This foe of yours is sick of this lawsuit bullshit being reposted over
and over.
Ken McVay has a job, you fucking bum, and he pays taxes.Go out and do
something useful with your fat ass.
Don't give me this song and dance about being "retired". To retire,
you have to work first. Get a job, you fucking slob.
Bruno
david_michael
"Black Knight" <kni...@indystart.com> wrote in message
news:594c8e48.0302...@posting.google.com...
> "----> Tavish <----" <t--avi-...@ix.n-etc-om.comRemoveHyphens2Mail>
wrote in message news:<aomv4vofhbl2q46bq...@4ax.com>...
> > Many of my foes want to believe that the lawsuit which as waged against
me and
> > failed was dismissed solely on account of jurisdiction. This is simply
not true.
> >
>
> <deletia>
>
> This foe of yours is sick of this lawsuit bullshit being reposted over
> and over.
So why don't you take it up with the persons doing it?
> Ken McVay has a job, you fucking bum,
No he doesn't. At least not officially. He is registered as 'self-employed'.
We've checked that out too. However, unofficially he appears to be working
for the security services, as was revealed in a newspaper report that I have
cited here a couple of times now.
> and he pays taxes.
Whether he does so entirely honestly has been questioned in this forum by
others.
<snip mindless tirade against the unemployed whose career prospects have
been ruined by the forces of international finance, which have relocated job
opportunities to Third World countries where the working peoples can be
exploited and paid a pittance by fat multinational bosses>
> Bruno
David
----> Tavish <----
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:
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>In <aomv4vofhbl2q46bq...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
>on Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:42:28 -0600, "----> Tavish <----"
><t--avi-...@ix.n-etc-om.comRemoveHyphens2Mail> wrote:
>
>> > >> > Funny how netkook David E. Michael routinely neglects to
>> > >> > mention that the law suit was "crushed" solely on
>> > >> > jurisdictional grounds, or what the lay public will
>> > >> > sometimes refer to as "a technicality."
>
>> <<Scott Bradbury comment: NOT TRUE and the document above proves
>> you to be incorrect. The fact I was never served with the
>> complaints was also entered-- a critical fact you and your fellows
>> continually wish to ignore!!>>
>
>The petition for dismissal quoted at the beiginning of your message
>was not cited in the judgment on appeal. The sole grounds for
>dismissal cited by the judge was jurisdiction.
>
>You had your chance. You were warned that documents were served upon
>you. Coupled with your thoroughly despicable behavior, you have no
>one to blame but yourself.
You are still in deep denial and it makes you look very stupid!
----> Tavish <----
kni...@indystart.com (Black Knight) wrote:
>To retire, you have to work first. Get a job, you fucking slob.
I did work you stupid swine and I put in my time. Now kstop being a "smeghead"
as Allan Matthews calls you and shut up-- you only make yourself more
reprehensible!
Patrick Humphrey
>On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 03:58:55 GMT, <jbn05vsj904u8bfia...@4ax.com>
>John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:
>>In <aomv4vofhbl2q46bq...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
>>on Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:42:28 -0600, "----> Tavish <----"
>><tavi...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>> > >> > Funny how netkook David E. Michael routinely neglects to
>>> > >> > mention that the law suit was "crushed" solely on
>>> > >> > jurisdictional grounds, or what the lay public will
>>> > >> > sometimes refer to as "a technicality."
>>> <<Scott Bradbury comment: NOT TRUE and the document above proves
>>> you to be incorrect. The fact I was never served with the
>>> complaints was also entered-- a critical fact you and your fellows
>>> continually wish to ignore!!>>
>>The petition for dismissal quoted at the beiginning of your message
>>was not cited in the judgment on appeal. The sole grounds for
>>dismissal cited by the judge was jurisdiction.
>>You had your chance. You were warned that documents were served upon
>>you. Coupled with your thoroughly despicable behavior, you have no
>>one to blame but yourself.
>You are still in deep denial and it makes you look very stupid!
Speaking of stupid, abuser of Dairy Queen, just how *is* it that that court's
findings of your moronic activities is still embedded in the court records as
factual? Remember, you got off the hook on a jurisdictional issue, nothing
else -- which doesn't affect the findings made by the court.
(Meanwhile, where's your "proof" that I took pictures of your hovel, or
vehicle? As loopy as you are, I'd not be surprised in the least if your proof
equaled 108.)
--PLH, some people are just too damned stupid to know when to shut up...and
Blubberbury is near the forefront of -that- motley crew
Black Knight
> "Black Knight" <kni...@indystart.com> wrote in message
> news:594c8e48.0302...@posting.google.com...
> > "----> Tavish <----" <t--avi-...@ix.n-etc-om.comRemoveHyphens2Mail>
> wrote in message news:<aomv4vofhbl2q46bq...@4ax.com>...
> > > Many of my foes want to believe that the lawsuit which as waged against
> me and
> > > failed was dismissed solely on account of jurisdiction. This is simply
> not true.
> > >
> >
> > <deletia>
> >
> > This foe of yours is sick of this lawsuit bullshit being reposted over
> > and over.
>
> So why don't you take it up with the persons doing it?
Tavish did it, you idiot.
>
> > Ken McVay has a job, you fucking bum,
>
> No he doesn't. At least not officially. He is registered as 'self-employed'.
> We've checked that out too.
Proof?
However, unofficially he appears to be working
> for the security services, as was revealed in a newspaper report that I have
> cited here a couple of times now.
>
> > and he pays taxes.
>
> Whether he does so entirely honestly has been questioned in this forum by
> others.
Questioning it proves nothing. I'm an Accountant-give me facts and
proof.
>
> <snip mindless tirade against the unemployed whose career prospects have
> been ruined by the forces of international finance, which have relocated job
> opportunities to Third World countries where the working peoples can be
> exploited and paid a pittance by fat multinational bosses>
O, my!!!! Please stop, David.My sobbing is becoming uncontrollable.My
keyboard is getting wet and may soon short-circuit. Lecturing a
Conservative Republican on the evils of capitalism is a futile
gesture. One of the things I like about the free-market system is that
it puts losers like you and Tavish in the economic dustbin where you
belong.
>
> > Bruno
>
Black Knight
> news:594c8e48.0302...@posting.google.com...
> > "----> Tavish <----" <t--avi-...@ix.n-etc-om.comRemoveHyphens2Mail>
> wrote in message news:<aomv4vofhbl2q46bq...@4ax.com>...
> > > Many of my foes want to believe that the lawsuit which as waged against
> me and
> > > failed was dismissed solely on account of jurisdiction. This is simply
> not true.
> > >
> >
> > <deletia>
> >
> > This foe of yours is sick of this lawsuit bullshit being reposted over
> > and over.
>
> So why don't you take it up with the persons doing it?
>
> > Ken McVay has a job, you fucking bum,
>
> No he doesn't. At least not officially. He is registered as 'self-employed'.
No wonder you hate American capitalism. You don't understand it. A
person who is self-employed has a job.He works for his customers. He
makes a living by giving them what they want, just as an employee
makes a living by giving his boss what the boss wants.
My Father was senior partner in a CPA firm for over 30 years.No one in
the firm gave him orders. He stayed in business by giving his clients
what they wanted.
If he ever stopped meeting their needs, he'd be out of business. He
managed to support a wife, 3 kids and several relatives who fell on
hard times during the Depression with his job.
All your babble about multinational corporations ignores the fact that
small business provides jobs for the bulk of Americans. These small
businesses don't do any business outside the USA. I worked for two
large firms in my career and neither of them did business outside the
USA.
The flight of jobs abroad can be blamed on union greed. Using strikes
and work slowdowns, they forced the cost of labor(pay and benefits) up
to a point that made the companies unable to compete pricewise with
foreign corporations who paid less for their labor.The hard fact is
that consumers will not pay $20,000 for an American car when they can
buy a foreign made car for less.The American companies had two
choices then-move overseas or go out of business.
The Volkswagen beetle is a classic example. American manufacturers
could not compete with the beetle's low price, so people of moderate
means bought VWs and ignored American autos. Without sales, there are
no profits and without profits, you are out of business.
This happened in the big industries like auto, steel and electronics.
Now, some of the jobs are coming back.Foreign companies like Beretta,
Nissan and Toyota have built plants in the USA and hired Americans to
work in them.
You'd do well to base your remarks on knowledge of economics instead
of propaganda. You sound like a Communist.
Bruno
david_michael
> "david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message news:<3e50...@212.67.96.135>...
> > "Black Knight" <kni...@indystart.com> wrote in message
> > news:594c8e48.0302...@posting.google.com...
> > > "----> Tavish <----" <t--avi-...@ix.n-etc-om.comRemoveHyphens2Mail>
> wrote in message news:<aomv4vofhbl2q46bq...@4ax.com>...
> > > > Many of my foes want to believe that the lawsuit which as waged against
> me and
> > > > failed was dismissed solely on account of jurisdiction. This is simply
> not true.
> > > >
> > >
> > > <deletia>
> > >
> > > This foe of yours is sick of this lawsuit bullshit being reposted over
> > > and over.
> >
> > So why don't you take it up with the persons doing it?
> >
> > > Ken McVay has a job, you fucking bum,
> >
> > No he doesn't. At least not officially. He is registered as 'self-employed'.
>
> No wonder you hate American capitalism. You don't understand it. A
> person who is self-employed has a job.He works for his customers. He
> makes a living by giving them what they want, just as an employee
> makes a living by giving his boss what the boss wants.
Art, having been running businesses happily for ages I think I've
grasped the idea as to what a 'self-employed' person is.
> My Father was senior partner in a CPA firm for over 30 years.No one in
> the firm gave him orders. He stayed in business by giving his clients
> what they wanted.
Who cares?
> If he ever stopped meeting their needs, he'd be out of business. He
> managed to support a wife, 3 kids and several relatives who fell on
> hard times during the Depression with his job.
Had he been smart he'd have sold you all for medical experiments . . .
> All your babble about multinational corporations ignores the fact that
> small business provides jobs for the bulk of Americans.
Yes, and the big ones bugger up the lives of the bulk of everyone
else.
> These small
> businesses don't do any business outside the USA. I worked for two
> large firms in my career and neither of them did business outside the
> USA.
I know. I don't have any problems with the small ones.
> The flight of jobs abroad can be blamed on union greed.
Even in a non-unionized industry, Art, it would generally make sense
for a business to invest where labour is cheaper, providing other
factors such as transport costs or the availability of skills does not
weigh against this. This will place a downward pressure on wages and
depress the living standards of working people.
> Using strikes
> and work slowdowns, they forced the cost of labor(pay and benefits) up
> to a point that made the companies unable to compete pricewise with
> foreign corporations who paid less for their labor.The hard fact is
> that consumers will not pay $20,000 for an American car when they can
> buy a foreign made car for less.The American companies had two
> choices then-move overseas or go out of business.
The consumers had a further choice. Ban foreign cars and produce cheap
cars locally. (Duh!)
Another alternative would be to ban all cars, which is what I
personally would very much like to see happen.
> The Volkswagen beetle is a classic example.
I had one once. Bertie. :-)
> American manufacturers
> could not compete with the beetle's low price, so people of moderate
> means bought VWs and ignored American autos. Without sales, there are
> no profits and without profits, you are out of business.
Right. Now ban VWs. What happens? People have to buy American cars.
Too expensive? OK -- so the car manufacturers have to produce a
home-grown version of the Beetle. (Anyone remember the British Leyland
mini?)
> This happened in the big industries like auto, steel and electronics.
>
> Now, some of the jobs are coming back.Foreign companies like Beretta,
> Nissan and Toyota have built plants in the USA and hired Americans to
> work in them.
Presumably the cost of transporting cars from Japan would be high so
it makes sense to produce them locally. The argument only works when
transport costs are irrelevant. The printing trade is an example.
> You'd do well to base your remarks on knowledge of economics instead
> of propaganda.
Given that you thought Das Kapital contained the blueprint for
communism I hardly think you're in a position to lecture anyone about
a knowledge of economics, sunshine.
> You sound like a Communist.
You sound like a twit.
> Bruno
David
Black Knight
> kni...@indystart.com (Black Knight) wrote in message news:<594c8e48.03021...@posting.google.com>...
> > "david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message news:<3e50...@212.67.96.135>...
> > > "Black Knight" <kni...@indystart.com> wrote in message
> > > news:594c8e48.0302...@posting.google.com...
> > > > "----> Tavish <----" <t--avi-...@ix.n-etc-om.comRemoveHyphens2Mail>
> wrote in message news:<aomv4vofhbl2q46bq...@4ax.com>...
> > > > > Many of my foes want to believe that the lawsuit which as waged against
> me and
> > > > > failed was dismissed solely on account of jurisdiction. This is simply
> not true.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > <deletia>
> > > >
> > > > This foe of yours is sick of this lawsuit bullshit being reposted over
> > > > and over.
> > >
> > > So why don't you take it up with the persons doing it?
> > >
> > > > Ken McVay has a job, you fucking bum,
> > >
> > > No he doesn't. At least not officially. He is registered as 'self-employed'.
> >
> > No wonder you hate American capitalism. You don't understand it. A
> > person who is self-employed has a job.He works for his customers. He
> > makes a living by giving them what they want, just as an employee
> > makes a living by giving his boss what the boss wants.
>
> Art, having been running businesses happily for ages I think I've
> grasped the idea as to what a 'self-employed' person is.
Bullshit. If you understood, you would not have made the stupid remark
about McVay not having a job. You are lying.
>
> > My Father was senior partner in a CPA firm for over 30 years.No one in
> > the firm gave him orders. He stayed in business by giving his clients
> > what they wanted.
>
> Who cares?
Fuck you. It's relevant to the discussion/
>
> > If he ever stopped meeting their needs, he'd be out of business. He
> > managed to support a wife, 3 kids and several relatives who fell on
> > hard times during the Depression with his job.
>
> Had he been smart he'd have sold you all for medical experiments . . .
Who cares?
>
> > All your babble about multinational corporations ignores the fact that
> > small business provides jobs for the bulk of Americans.
>
> Yes, and the big ones bugger up the lives of the bulk of everyone
> else.
You missed the point of what I said. I'm not surprised. You are
incredibly stupid.
>
> > These small
> > businesses don't do any business outside the USA. I worked for two
> > large firms in my career and neither of them did business outside the
> > USA.
>
> I know. I don't have any problems with the small ones.
Bullshit. You made a sweeping statement about job loss that was wrong
because it generalized about all American business.
>
> > The flight of jobs abroad can be blamed on union greed.
>
> Even in a non-unionized industry, Art, it would generally make sense
> for a business to invest where labour is cheaper, providing other
> factors such as transport costs or the availability of skills does not
> weigh against this. This will place a downward pressure on wages and
> depress the living standards of working people.
That's not the point. I made a statement of fact about union tactics,
asshole.
Non-union industries don't join together and strike, you fucking
idiot.
> > Using strikes
> > and work slowdowns, they forced the cost of labor(pay and benefits) up
> > to a point that made the companies unable to compete pricewise with
> > foreign corporations who paid less for their labor.The hard fact is
> > that consumers will not pay $20,000 for an American car when they can
> > buy a foreign made car for less.The American companies had two
> > choices then-move overseas or go out of business.
>
> The consumers had a further choice. Ban foreign cars and produce cheap
> cars locally. (Duh!)
That proves you don't understand economics.The foreigners will
retaliate by banning our products-then all American business suffers,
you idiot.
>
> Another alternative would be to ban all cars, which is what I
> personally would very much like to see happen.
I'd prefer banning lying idiots like you.
>
> > The Volkswagen beetle is a classic example.
>
> I had one once. Bertie. :-)
Who cares?
>
> > American manufacturers
> > could not compete with the beetle's low price, so people of moderate
> > means bought VWs and ignored American autos. Without sales, there are
> > no profits and without profits, you are out of business.
>
> Right. Now ban VWs. What happens? People have to buy American cars.
> Too expensive? OK -- so the car manufacturers have to produce a
> home-grown version of the Beetle. (Anyone remember the British Leyland
> mini?)
That proves how ignorant you are.If we ban VWs, Germany will retaliate
by banning our products, you fucking idiot.That hurts our industry.
>
> > This happened in the big industries like auto, steel and electronics.
> >
> > Now, some of the jobs are coming back.Foreign companies like Beretta,
> > Nissan and Toyota have built plants in the USA and hired Americans to
> > work in them.
>
> Presumably the cost of transporting cars from Japan would be high so
> it makes sense to produce them locally. The argument only works when
> transport costs are irrelevant. The printing trade is an example.
WRONG again. The reason is quality. American workers produce better
quality.
>
> > You'd do well to base your remarks on knowledge of economics instead
> > of propaganda.
>
> Given that you thought Das Kapital contained the blueprint for
> communism I hardly think you're in a position to lecture anyone about
> a knowledge of economics, sunshine.
Das Kapital does exactly that, you lying piece of shit.Why do you
think Communism is called "Marxism"?
>
> > You sound like a Communist.
>
> You sound like a twit.
You act like a complete asshole. You also lie. Therefore, your
arguments and statements of fact have no validity. Your credibility is
non-existant.
Bruno
>
Black Knight
<deletia>
>
> Given that you thought Das Kapital contained the blueprint for
> communism I hardly think you're in a position to lecture anyone about
> a knowledge of economics, sunshine.
Read this ,asshole:
http://www.aolsvc.worldbook.aol.com/wbol/wbAuth/jsp/wbArticle.jsp#h30
Bruno
david_michael
No, there's a simple distinction in England between the 'employed' and the
'self-employed'. The former have jobs. The latter run businesses.
> > > My Father was senior partner in a CPA firm for over 30 years.No one in
> > > the firm gave him orders. He stayed in business by giving his clients
> > > what they wanted.
> >
> > Who cares?
>
> Fuck you. It's relevant to the discussion/
No it isn't.
> > > If he ever stopped meeting their needs, he'd be out of business. He
> > > managed to support a wife, 3 kids and several relatives who fell on
> > > hard times during the Depression with his job.
> >
> > Had he been smart he'd have sold you all for medical experiments . . .
>
> Who cares?
Fair point.
> > > All your babble about multinational corporations ignores the fact that
> > > small business provides jobs for the bulk of Americans.
> >
> > Yes, and the big ones bugger up the lives of the bulk of everyone
> > else.
>
> You missed the point of what I said. I'm not surprised. You are
> incredibly stupid.
Either that or you're given to rambling.
> > > These small
> > > businesses don't do any business outside the USA. I worked for two
> > > large firms in my career and neither of them did business outside the
> > > USA.
> >
> > I know. I don't have any problems with the small ones.
>
> Bullshit. You made a sweeping statement about job loss that was wrong
> because it generalized about all American business.
I think you'll find that's incorrect.
> > > The flight of jobs abroad can be blamed on union greed.
> >
> > Even in a non-unionized industry, Art, it would generally make sense
> > for a business to invest where labour is cheaper, providing other
> > factors such as transport costs or the availability of skills does not
> > weigh against this. This will place a downward pressure on wages and
> > depress the living standards of working people.
>
> That's not the point. I made a statement of fact about union tactics,
> asshole.
> Non-union industries don't join together and strike, you fucking
> idiot.
No, but they are still vulnerable to being relocated to places where labour
is cheaper, other factors being favourable.
> > > Using strikes
> > > and work slowdowns, they forced the cost of labor(pay and benefits) up
> > > to a point that made the companies unable to compete pricewise with
> > > foreign corporations who paid less for their labor.The hard fact is
> > > that consumers will not pay $20,000 for an American car when they can
> > > buy a foreign made car for less.The American companies had two
> > > choices then-move overseas or go out of business.
> >
> > The consumers had a further choice. Ban foreign cars and produce cheap
> > cars locally. (Duh!)
>
> That proves you don't understand economics.The foreigners will
> retaliate by banning our products-then all American business suffers,
> you idiot.
On the contrary. Such a move reduces American dependence on foreign trade
and hence, in the long term, strengthens its economic position by making it
less vulnerable to international factors over which the Americans have less
control.
> > Another alternative would be to ban all cars, which is what I
> > personally would very much like to see happen.
>
> I'd prefer banning lying idiots like you.
I know you'd like to ban me, Art. Unfortunately, while I'm free, you'll
still have to deal with my arguments. Or run from them.
> > > The Volkswagen beetle is a classic example.
> >
> > I had one once. Bertie. :-)
>
> Who cares?
I did. I was very fond of it.
> > > American manufacturers
> > > could not compete with the beetle's low price, so people of moderate
> > > means bought VWs and ignored American autos. Without sales, there are
> > > no profits and without profits, you are out of business.
> >
> > Right. Now ban VWs. What happens? People have to buy American cars.
> > Too expensive? OK -- so the car manufacturers have to produce a
> > home-grown version of the Beetle. (Anyone remember the British Leyland
> > mini?)
>
> That proves how ignorant you are.If we ban VWs, Germany will retaliate
> by banning our products, you fucking idiot.That hurts our industry.
Not at all. It means that your people can concentrate on more worthwhile
pursuits than selling things to Germany.
> > > This happened in the big industries like auto, steel and electronics.
> > >
> > > Now, some of the jobs are coming back.Foreign companies like Beretta,
> > > Nissan and Toyota have built plants in the USA and hired Americans to
> > > work in them.
> >
> > Presumably the cost of transporting cars from Japan would be high so
> > it makes sense to produce them locally. The argument only works when
> > transport costs are irrelevant. The printing trade is an example.
>
> WRONG again. The reason is quality. American workers produce better
> quality.
If that were the case, Art, the Japanese would simply use American
production techniques in Japan.
> > > You'd do well to base your remarks on knowledge of economics instead
> > > of propaganda.
> >
> > Given that you thought Das Kapital contained the blueprint for
> > communism I hardly think you're in a position to lecture anyone about
> > a knowledge of economics, sunshine.
>
> Das Kapital does exactly that, you lying piece of shit.
No it doesn't, Art.
>Why do you
> think Communism is called "Marxism"?
It isn't. Except by people who have studied neither.
> > > You sound like a Communist.
> >
> > You sound like a twit.
>
> You act like a complete asshole. You also lie.
So where's your evidence?
> Therefore, your
> arguments and statements of fact have no validity. Your credibility is
> non-existant.
Funny then that so many people should put in so many man hours trying to
prevent the world from getting my message.
> Bruno
David
david_michael
It's some sort of subscription page, Bruno.
Look, why don't you read Das Kapital itself. I dare say you'll find it
online somewhere. You'll discover it to be a mind-numbingly dull economic
treatise that attacks 'capitalism' but does not provide a blueprint for an
alternative.
David
----> Tavish <----
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You are talking more like Ken McVay and his devil masters, The League for Human
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>On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:06:18 -0000, <3e53...@212.67.96.135> "david_michael"
><david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>>> I'd prefer banning lying idiots like you.
>You are talking more like Ken McVay and his devil masters, The League for
>Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, each and every day!
Kook meltdown in progress!
--PLH, advising normal residents of Bellville to avoid broken windows being
directed outward from Bradbury's hovel
Ross
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> "----> Tavish <----" <tavi...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>
>>On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:06:18 -0000, <3e53...@212.67.96.135>
>>"david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>
>>>> I'd prefer banning lying idiots like you.
>
>>You are talking more like Ken McVay and his devil masters, The League
>>for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, each and every day!
>
> Kook meltdown in progress!
In alt.revisionism? What else isn't new?
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Karl Marx
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Karl Marx
Marx, Karl (1818-1883), ranks among the most important thinkers of the
1800's. Few writers in all of history rival him for his broad
influence on world affairs. His writings helped form a foundation for
the political and economic system known as Communism.
Marx predicted that capitalism would collapse in industrialized
countries and that Communism would eventually take its place. He
thought capitalism would end with a workers' revolution against the
owners of factories and other property used to produce goods and
services. In the revolution, the workers would gain control of
economic resources and the government.
Especially this:
In the 1900's, Marx's thinking shaped the policies of socialist and
Communist governments in many countries. His ideas also influenced
numerous academic fields, especially economics, history, and political
science, even in capitalist nations.
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