Shawcross on his deathbed
Benjamin Cramer
"As most people will have gathered, Sir Hartley Shawcross, later Lord
Shawcross, died on 10 July 2003 at the age of 101. He was the
"acceptable face" of the Nuremberg War Trials. Everyone "in the know"
was aware that the Soviet and French prosecutors were hopelessly
compromised, and that the Yanks were fighting among themselves about
what might constitute "justice".
But there was young Hartley, a brilliant youthful crusading British
barrister, most definitely not a sleazy foreigner, prosecuting the
case against those wicked Germans on behalf of the Empire. We Aussies
(and Canadians, and South Africans, and New Zealanders, and
Rhodesians) knew perfectly well that with young Hartley on the case,
with his beautiful accent and his magnificent mind, those vile Huns
would get their just desserts.
Except ... that ...
In a speech at Stourbridge on March 16, 1984, Lord Shawcross said:
"Step by step, I have arrived at the conviction that the aims of
Communism in Europe are sinister and fatal. At the Nuremberg trials I,
together with my Russian colleagues, condemned Nazi aggression and
terror. I believe now that Hitler and the German people did not want
war. But we declared war on Germany, intent on destroying it, in
accordance with our principle of the balance of power, and we were
encouraged by the Americans around Roosevelt.
"We ignored Hitler's pleading not to enter into war. Now we are forced
to realise that Hitler was right. He offered us the co-operation of
Germany: instead, since 1945, we have been facing the immense power of
the Soviet Empire. I feel ashamed and humiliated to see that the aims
we accused Hitler of are being relentlessly pursued now, only under a
different label." ...
Gee, let's just back-track for a moment. The chief Imperial prosecutor
at Nuremberg, the one leading figure who wasn't compromised in the
public mind, and the man who then sent heaps of Hitler's pollies to
the gallows, eventually said: "Now we are forced to realise that
Hitler was right. He offered us the co-operation of Germany".
So forty years after the main event Lord Shawcross himself admitted
that he had been wrong - and that "Hitler was right".
Perhaps it is time now for us Aussies to admit that we were just as
duped as the late - and sort-of great - Lord Shawcross..."
Mirelle
wrote:
Interesting.
I never heard of this before.
Do you have any more info on this?
Mirelle
Benjamin Cramer
"Mirelle" <labelle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 23, 5:12 pm, "Benjamin Cramer" <onlythetr...@alltimes.yep>
> wrote:
>
> Interesting.
> I never heard of this before.
> Do you have any more info on this?
Hi Mirelle.
That's all I have that's easily posted. I'll see if I can make time to get
some more typed up.
Richard Warren
"Mirelle" <labelle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> wrote:
>
> Interesting.
> I never heard of this before.
> Do you have any more info on this?
You never heard of it before because it is bogus - the creation of a Nazoid.
Mirelle
wrote:
> "Mirelle" <labellemire...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Interesting. I never heard of this before.
> > Do you have any more info on this?
> Hi Mirelle.
Hi Ben.
> That's all I have that's easily posted. I'll see if I can make time to get
> some more typed up.
That is kind of you.
Thank you.
Mirelle
Tilly
:: "As most people will have gathered, Sir Hartley Shawcross, later Lord
FORGERY!!!!!!
Mirelle
Benjamin Cramer
"Tilly" <fem...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yid screech from a yid liar.
>
>
>
Benjamin Cramer
She can't. She's simply got an obligation to screech.
I think she hates me. Do you suppose it may be something I've said ;-)
Mirelle
wrote:
> "Tilly" <fem...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:
> > FORGERY!!!!!!
> Yid screech from a yid liar.
I am amazed twatty did not add her signature:<sigh>, after screeching!
Mirelle
Benjamin Cramer
> On Sep 23, 10:05 pm, "Benjamin Cramer" <onlythetr...@alltimes.yep>
> wrote:
>> "Tilly" <fem...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:
>> > FORGERY!!!!!!
>
>> Yid screech from a yid liar.
>
> I am amazed twatty did not add her signature:<sigh>, after screeching!
I think she's all out of sighs at the moment. She seems to be all purple in
the kisser.
Neil Harrington
"FORGERY!!!!!!"?
How is it a forgery? Do you understand what a forgery is?
Richard Warren
No problem. Simply provide a cite for the "quote".
Benjamin Cramer
"Neil Harrington" <n...@home.today> wrote in message
news:HbmdnaJ5nI-d0mrb...@comcast.com...
She wouldn't know, Neil. She has an obligation to screech at everything
which casts doubt on her Holocaust(tm).
>
>
>
RJ11
Benjamin Cramer <onlyth...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
(silly forgery snipped)
To judge the veracity of "Cramer's" posts, consider the
following.
In Message-ID: <b4adnSx2NqPH8u7b...@giganews.com>,
"Cramer" posted text allegedly taken from the article "Cold
Reminder," NY Times, Dec. 3 1994.
However, as everyone can easily check, the text posted
by "Cramer" is actually taken from a "revisionist" website,
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html, and it was
written by someone named Michael A. Hoffman II in 2006.
RJ.
RJ11
Benjamin Cramer <onlyth...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
(silly drivel given the snip)
Meet "Cramer" everybody. The only troll who's actually
dumb enough to admit that he's a troll:
"I'm not here to rebut anything or anyone, cuntface. I'm here
to antagonise and keep you occupied." -- Posted by "Ben Cramer",
Message-ID: <dv0e2v$l5a$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>.
RJ.
Neil Harrington
"Benjamin Cramer" <onlyth...@alltimes.yep> wrote in message
news:kradnVe--6vbzGrb...@giganews.com...
It's a wonder she doesn't call it embezzlement, or arson. Either would make
about as much sense.
Neil
Benjamin Cramer
"Neil Harrington" <n...@home.today> wrote in message
She's made about 20 posts today, and each of them have been filled with
utter shit and lies. Most haven't even addressed the topic being discussed.
Poor old thing. I suspect she has finally woken up to the fact she's no
longer a teenager. Very vain, this one.
Richard Warren
"Neil Harrington" <n...@home.today> wrote in message
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>
She obviously does, vile old Nazoid. You are the one who doesn't and
chooses to lie about it. Prepare to be spanked again, just as you were
following your ridiculously stupid assertion that below-grade installations
have no drains. How you must enjoy sticking your feet in your mouth, old
fool.
Nizkor Project
"Benjamin Cramer" <onlyth...@alltimes.yep> wrote in message
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Nuremberg Show Trial for the public while the real politics took place
behind the closed door.
Richard Warren
"Neil Harrington" <n...@home.today> wrote in message
More sense than it does to claim Shawcross gave a speech at Stourbridge
while on his deathbed, almost 20 years before he died. Harrington is
soooooooooooooooooo stupid.
Richard Warren
> On Sep 23, 5:12 pm, "Benjamin Cramer" <onlythetr...@alltimes.yep>
> wrote:
>
> Interesting.
> I never heard of this before.
> Do you have any more info on this?
Ask him why a man as renowned as Shawcross would choose to make such a
radical statement in a town of 50,000, attracting NO controversy, when he
could have made it in any large city in the UK and attract media attention
galore. He won't answer so I will. It's because he never made any such
speech. You have to be almost as dumb as Cramer to attach any credibility
to any statement he makes.
Lisa Lisa
wrote:
> "As most people will have gathered, Sir Hartley Shawcross, later Lord
> Shawcross, died on 10 July 2003 at the age of 101.
It's 2007. Why are you bringing his death up NOW?
> He was the
> "acceptable face" of the Nuremberg War Trials.
Acceptable to WHOM?
> Everyone "in the know"
> was aware that the Soviet and French prosecutors were hopelessly
> compromised, and that the Yanks were fighting among themselves about
> what might constitute "justice".
Could it be that this was an unprecedented attempt to render
international justice, and that the parties concerned did not entirely
know how to go about doing such a thing?
> But there was young Hartley, a brilliant youthful crusading British
> barrister, most definitely not a sleazy foreigner,
Care to provide a link for such an atrocious article? I'll bet it
wasn't the BBC.
> prosecuting the
> case against those wicked Germans on behalf of the Empire.
International justice had nothing to do with it, I guess. Nuremberg
was just an attempt to hang on to India. The more Nazi bigwigs that
died, the more the Indian nationalist movement would go away. Killing
them all would make it go away entirely.
> We Aussies
> (and Canadians, and South Africans, and New Zealanders, and
> Rhodesians) knew perfectly well that with young Hartley on the case,
> with his beautiful accent and his magnificent mind, those vile Huns
> would get their just desserts.
Well, there was the option of summary execution, I guess. Just frog-
march them to the wall, and shoot them.
> Except ... that ...
> In a speech at Stourbridge on March 16, 1984, Lord Shawcross said:
> "Step by step, I have arrived at the conviction that the aims of
> Communism in Europe are sinister and fatal.
Why did it take him until 1984 to decide that Russian communists were
serious human rights abusers?
> At the Nuremberg trials I,
> together with my Russian colleagues, condemned Nazi aggression and
> terror. I believe now that Hitler and the German people did not want
> war.
No, they just wanted to re-order Europe. If they could have had it
peacefully, they would have taken it. But they would take it, with or
without war.
> But we declared war on Germany, intent on destroying it,
The author hasn't noticed that there's still a Germany. He was hoping
that we wouldn't notice it either. LOL.
> in
> accordance with our principle of the balance of power, and we were
> encouraged by the Americans around Roosevelt.
Um, wasn't it Churchill who was begging America for help during the
Battle of Britain?
> "We ignored Hitler's pleading not to enter into war.
Hitler wanted to be left alone to conquer in peace. Then again, who
doesn't want things to go entirely their way?
> Now we are forced
> to realise that Hitler was right.
About what?
> He offered us the co-operation of
> Germany: instead, since 1945, we have been facing the immense power of
> the Soviet Empire.
EARTH TO BEN: IT'S 2007. There hasn't been a Soviet Union since the
end of 1991.
What's your point, stupid Aussie?
> I feel ashamed and humiliated to see that the aims
> we accused Hitler of are being relentlessly pursued now, only under a
> different label." ...
> Gee, let's just back-track for a moment. The chief Imperial prosecutor
> at Nuremberg, the one leading figure who wasn't compromised in the
> public mind, and the man who then sent heaps of Hitler's pollies to
> the gallows, eventually said: "Now we are forced to realise that
> Hitler was right. He offered us the co-operation of Germany".
> So forty years after the main event Lord Shawcross himself admitted
> that he had been wrong - and that "Hitler was right".
> Perhaps it is time now for us Aussies to admit that we were just as
> duped as the late - and sort-of great - Lord Shawcross..."
And which rag did you get this crap from?
Lisa
Benjamin Cramer
"Lisa Lisa" <mand...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1190683124.0...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 23, 8:12 pm, "Benjamin Cramer" <onlythetr...@alltimes.yep>
> wrote:
>> "As most people will have gathered, Sir Hartley Shawcross, later Lord
>> Shawcross, died on 10 July 2003 at the age of 101.
>
> It's 2007. Why are you bringing his death up NOW?
Because the stinky yids are still moaning about what happened during their
specious and nonsensical Holocaust(tm). They've got an industry based on the
myth.
Lisa Lisa
> On Sep 23, 5:12 pm, "Benjamin Cramer" <onlythetr...@alltimes.yep>
> wrote:
>
> Interesting.
> I never heard of this before.
Naturally you haven't. You've never heard of ANYTHING before.
> Do you have any more info on this?
Here's a nice little t-shirt for you to wear around the house. Your
husband will love you in it.
http://aryanwear.com/images/VintageTotenkopf.jpg
>
> Mirelle
Lisa
Lisa Lisa
wrote:
> "Lisa Lisa" <mando...@verizon.net> wrote in message
I saw no mention of the Holocaust in the article, just some belated
kvetching about the abuses of the Soviet Union in 1984, and the
remarkable statement that Hitler was "right." Right about what, is
anyone's guess. I suppose we'll have to wait for you to pull the
sequel out of your Aussie ass.
Lisa
Lisa Lisa
> FORGERY!!!!!!
He pulled it out of his Aussie ass. Hey, when I post an article, you
can see the attribution.
That's why I'm a good poster, and that's why he sucks. (Well, it's one
reason, at any rate.)
Lisa
Benjamin Cramer
> On Sep 23, 8:48 pm, Mirelle <labellemire...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 23, 5:12 pm, "Benjamin Cramer" <onlythetr...@alltimes.yep>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting.
>> I never heard of this before.
>
> Naturally you haven't. You've never heard of ANYTHING before.
>
>> Do you have any more info on this?
>
> Here's a nice little t-shirt for you to wear around the house. Your
> husband will love you in it.
Fuck orf, poofess.
Benjamin Cramer
> On Sep 24, 9:21 pm, "Benjamin Cramer" <onlythetr...@alltimes.yep>
> wrote:
>> "Lisa Lisa" <mando...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1190683124.0...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Sep 23, 8:12 pm, "Benjamin Cramer" <onlythetr...@alltimes.yep>
>> > wrote:
>> >> "As most people will have gathered, Sir Hartley Shawcross, later Lord
>> >> Shawcross, died on 10 July 2003 at the age of 101.
>>
>> > It's 2007. Why are you bringing his death up NOW?
>>
>> Because the stinky yids are still moaning about what happened during
>> their
>> specious and nonsensical Holocaust(tm). They've got an industry based on
>> the
>> myth.
>
> I saw no mention of the Holocaust in the article,
What drives you make that ridiculous statement?
>just some belated
> kvetching about the abuses of the Soviet Union in 1984, and the
> remarkable statement that Hitler was "right." Right about what, is
> anyone's guess. I suppose we'll have to wait for you to pull the
> sequel out of your Aussie ass.
I wouldn't expect you to be able to comprehend, you stupid little trough
licker.
Benjamin Cramer
> On Sep 24, 12:44 am, "Tilly" <fem...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> FORGERY!!!!!!
>
> He pulled it out of his Aussie ass. Hey, when I post an article, you
> can see the attribution.
Nope. It's a contributed article. I did a google search on some of the
keywords, and guess what, trough licker? I found the source.
You can probably do the same, you disgusting carpet muncher.
Tilly
:: "Mirelle" <labelle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
:: news:1190609961....@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
::: On Sep 23, 9:44 pm, "Tilly" <fem...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:
:::: FORGERY!!!!!!
:::
::: Prove it.
::
::
::
::
::
:: No problem. Simply provide a cite for the "quote".
I have c hecked.
The sources are :
Stormfront, the Adelaide Institute,www.sweetliberty.org and other
revisionist websites.
He never gave the speech . It's a forgery.
::
::
::
::
::
::
::
::
::
::
::
::
::
::
::
::
::
:::
::: Mirelle
Benjamin Cramer
> Richard Warren wrote:
> :: "Mirelle" <labelle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> :: news:1190609961....@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> ::: On Sep 23, 9:44 pm, "Tilly" <fem...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:
> :::: FORGERY!!!!!!
> :::
> ::: Prove it.
> ::
> ::
> ::
> ::
> ::
> :: No problem. Simply provide a cite for the "quote".
>
> I have c hecked.
> The sources are :
> Stormfront, the Adelaide Institute,www.sweetliberty.org and other
> revisionist websites.
>
> He never gave the speech . It's a forgery.
He made the statement. You're a liar.
Neil Harrington
> :: "Mirelle" <labelle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> :: news:1190609961....@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> ::: On Sep 23, 9:44 pm, "Tilly" <fem...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:
> :::: FORGERY!!!!!!
> :::
> ::: Prove it.
> ::
> ::
> ::
> ::
> ::
> :: No problem. Simply provide a cite for the "quote".
>
> I have c hecked.
> The sources are :
> Stormfront, the Adelaide Institute,www.sweetliberty.org and other
> revisionist websites.
>
> He never gave the speech . It's a forgery.
It's a "forgery" because you haven't found a source you approve of?
Amazing.
Neil Harrington
Roosevelt was itching to get into the war. Churchill wrote later that he was
astonished at how badly Roosevelt wanted war. Even while Roosevelt, in his
1940 reelection campaign, was promising American mothers that "your boys
will never be sent to fight in a foreign war," he was scheming to do exactly
that.
The American public wanted no part of the war and Roosevelt knew it
perfectly well. His method of getting us into it was to keep provoking both
Germany and Japan until one or the other attacked us, and he didn't much
care which one. He finally succeeded in doing this on Dec. 7, 1941. Over
3,000 Americans lost their lives on that one day, roughly as many as we've
lost in four years in Iraq -- but Roosevelt got his war, and we lost another
400,000 before it was over.
Richard Warren
> :: "Mirelle" <labelle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> :: news:1190609961....@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> ::: On Sep 23, 9:44 pm, "Tilly" <fem...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:
> :::: FORGERY!!!!!!
> :::
> ::: Prove it.
> ::
> ::
> ::
> ::
> ::
> :: No problem. Simply provide a cite for the "quote".
>
> I have c hecked.
> The sources are :
> Stormfront, the Adelaide Institute,www.sweetliberty.org and other
> revisionist websites.
Gee, what a surprise. Lying Nazoid organizations all.
>
> He never gave the speech . It's a forgery.
As I said yesterday.
Richard Warren
"Neil Harrington" <n...@home.today> wrote in message
Two sewers and assorted septic tanks do not produce the scent of jasmine.
Of course, a senile old Nazoid like Harrington would take any forgery by
Nazoid organizations to be the truth.
>
>
walde...@gmail.com
> Richard Warren wrote:
> :: "Mirelle" <labellemire...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> ::news:1190609961....@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> ::: On Sep 23, 9:44 pm, "Tilly" <fem...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:
> :::: FORGERY!!!!!!
> :::
> ::: Prove it.
> ::
> ::
> ::
> ::
> ::
> :: No problem. Simply provide a cite for the "quote".
>
> I have c hecked.
> The sources are :
> revisionist websites.
>
> He never gave the speech . It's a forgery.
Do you consider scrapbookpages.com a "revisionist website", Tilly? I
hope so, because they quote the speech, and attribute the source as an
AP article. (Scroll to the bottom of the page).
Quoting Scrapbook Pages:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Forty years later, Sir Hartley Shawcross, the British chief prosecutor
at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal, said the following
in a speech which he made in Stourbridge England on March 16, 1984, as
quoted in an Associated Press story:
Step by step, I have arrived at the conviction that the aims of
Communism in Europe are sinister and fatal. At the Nuremberg trials I,
together with my Russian Colleagues, condemned Nazi aggression and
terror. I believe now that Hitler and the German people did not want
war. But we declared war on Germany, intent on destroying it, in
accordance with our principle of the balance of power, and we were
encouraged by the Americans around Roosevelt. We ignored Hitler's
pleading not to enter into war. Now we are forced to realize that
Hitler was right. He offered us the co-operation of Germany: instead,
since 1945, we have been facing the immense power of the Soviet
Empire. I feel ashamed and humiliated to see that the aims we accused
Hitler of are being relentlessly pursued now, only under a different
label.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
</quote>
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/HungarianJews2.html
And if you *do* consider scrapbookpages.com to be a "revisionist
website", you'd better start an email campaign, because numerous
Holocaust Priests (and Court Jesters) have utilized this site to
BOLSTER THEIR CASE for propping up the HoloCult Tales, including:
Philip Mathews
http://tinyurl.com/2xe9gl
Eugene Holman
http://tinyurl.com/ypdsde
"Joe Bruno"
http://tinyurl.com/2the8o
Patrick Keenan
http://tinyurl.com/2tonwg
Sara Salzman
http://tinyurl.com/23cs4d
And that's just the sampling I took in a minute or two.
You and your Semitist pals couldn't give a rat's ass about whether
anything is true or valid, if you feel it runs contrary to your
Zionist/Semitist agenda, you'll squeal like stuck pigs, and if you're
forced to eat Kosher Certified Crow, you simply swallow, puke, and
commence with the squealing again.
**
Waldo
Observer at Large
walde...@gmail.com
> "Tilly" <fem...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fd9uds$qma$2...@aioe.org...
>
>
>
> > Richard Warren wrote:
> > ::news:1190609961....@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> > ::: On Sep 23, 9:44 pm, "Tilly" <fem...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:
> > :::: FORGERY!!!!!!
> > :::
> > ::: Prove it.
> > ::
> > ::
> > ::
> > ::
> > ::
> > :: No problem. Simply provide a cite for the "quote".
>
> > I have c hecked.
> > The sources are :
> > revisionist websites.
>
> Gee, what a surprise. Lying Nazoid organizations all.
>
>
>
> > He never gave the speech . It's a forgery.
>
> As I said yesterday.
As you said yesterday?
How many days in a row *have* you been wrong now, "Richard"?
Benjamin Cramer
<walde...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190705422.4...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 24, 8:14 pm, "Tilly" <fem...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:
>> Richard Warren wrote:
>> :: "Mirelle" <labellemire...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> ::news:1190609961....@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>> ::: On Sep 23, 9:44 pm, "Tilly" <fem...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:
>> :::: FORGERY!!!!!!
>> :::
>> ::: Prove it.
>> ::
>> ::
>> ::
>> ::
>> ::
>> :: No problem. Simply provide a cite for the "quote".
>>
>> I have c hecked.
>> The sources are :
>> Stormfront, the Adelaide Institute,www.sweetliberty.organd other
>> revisionist websites.
>>
>> He never gave the speech . It's a forgery.
>
> Do you consider scrapbookpages.com a "revisionist website", Tilly? I
> hope so, because they quote the speech, and attribute the source as an
> AP article. (Scroll to the bottom of the page).
Poor ole Twatty can't help but lie through her teeth. It's a genetic thing,
yanno.
Lisa Lisa
<snip>
> Do you consider scrapbookpages.com a "revisionist website", Tilly? I
> hope so, because they quote the speech, and attribute the source as an
> AP article. (Scroll to the bottom of the page).
Really? Where? I didn't see it.
>
> Quoting Scrapbook Pages:
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Forty years later, Sir Hartley Shawcross, the British chief prosecutor
> at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal, said the following
> in a speech which he made in Stourbridge England on March 16, 1984, as
> quoted in an Associated Press story:
>
> Step by step, I have arrived at the conviction that the aims of
> Communism in Europe are sinister and fatal.
Why did the old fart have to wait until 1984 to realize that the
Soviet Union was a human rights abuser on a large scale? Was this old
poop so out-of-touch because he was living in a cave in Afghanistan
with Bin Laden?
Shawcross was a leftist, and if he did indeed make this statement,
then it was because he was publicly repudiating his former leftism.
Shawcross was just doing the John Dos Passos thing---flip-flopping
from one extreme to the other.
I don't like flip-floppers. I find them to be rabid, immoderate and
unstable. Their outlook is rooted in nothing except their own wildly
swining moods. This week they very heatedly believe one thing. Next
week they'll just as heatedly believe the opposite.
> At the Nuremberg trials I,
> together with my Russian Colleagues, condemned Nazi aggression and
> terror. I believe now that Hitler and the German people did not want
> war.
They would have been very happy if the Dutch, French, Russians,
Belgians, British and Russians had not fought back, but just rolled
over, like tame dogs. I agree with that much.
> But we declared war on Germany, intent on destroying it,
I thought Britain and France declared war on Germany because he was
bombing the shit out of Poland.
> in
> accordance with our principle of the balance of power, and we were
> encouraged by the Americans around Roosevelt.
Um, Hitler was pounding the shit out of Britain and Churchill was
desperate for American involvement. Ever hear of the Battle of
Britain?
> We ignored Hitler's
> pleading not to enter into war.
Now, why should Hitler have a free hand in everything he does? No
other nation has that right, so why should he?
> Now we are forced to realize that
> Hitler was right. He offered us the co-operation of Germany:
Bullies offer cooperation too. If you do things all their way,
they're happy. So does that mean we should all cooperate with
bullies?
> instead,
> since 1945, we have been facing the immense power of the Soviet
> Empire. I feel ashamed and humiliated to see that the aims we accused
> Hitler of are being relentlessly pursued now, only under a different
> label.
Like I said, Shawcross was doing the John Dos Passos thing;
repudiating his former leftism, and going to the other extreme. The
senile old coot had to wait until 1984 to realize that the Soviet
government abused human rights on a massive scale. That makes his
opinion laughable, to me.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> </quote>
>
> http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/Hun...
>
> And if you *do* consider scrapbookpages.com to be a "revisionist
> website", you'd better start an email campaign, because numerous
> Holocaust Priests (and Court Jesters) have utilized this site to
> BOLSTER THEIR CASE for propping up the HoloCult Tales, including:
>
> Philip Mathewshttp://tinyurl.com/2xe9gl
>
> Eugene Holmanhttp://tinyurl.com/ypdsde
>
> "Joe Bruno"http://tinyurl.com/2the8o
>
> Patrick Keenanhttp://tinyurl.com/2tonwg
>
> Sara Salzmanhttp://tinyurl.com/23cs4d
>
> And that's just the sampling I took in a minute or two.
>
> You and your Semitist pals couldn't give a rat's ass about whether
> anything is true or valid,
Look who's talking. The article wasn't even concerned about the
Holocaust, it was about a leftist who did the John Dos Passos thing
and switched his political allegiance. He had to wait until 1984 to
realize that the USSR abused human rights.
He's an idiot. I don't care what he believes---he's lost all
credibility with me.
> if you feel it runs contrary to your
> Zionist/Semitist agenda, you'll squeal like stuck pigs, and if you're
> forced to eat Kosher Certified Crow, you simply swallow, puke, and
> commence with the squealing again.
Yadda, yadda, yadda. I have a little challenge for you. Why don't
you take your revisionist act to a university classroom and run it by
the professors and students? Make it your graduate "thesis." Be sure
to mention puke, and be loud and obnoxious.
Make those University security guards earn their living.
Lisa
RJ11
Benjamin Cramer <onlyth...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
("Holocaust revisionism" drivel snipped)
Just deal with the evidence, "Cramer".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
Mass graves found at Nazi camp
Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
death camp in north-eastern Poland.
The research team, which began its government-sponsored investigation
in the summer, said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
</quote>
A very elaborate study of the mass graves in the Belzec death camp was
conducted a few years ago by a team of Polish archaeologists, headed by
Prof. Andrzej Kola from the University of Torun in Poland, who is the
author of more than 130 papers on archaeology. The team studied the site
of the death camp, drilling 1,700 bore holes and investigating the core
samples. The results are summarized in an 84 page report (ANDRZEJ KOLA:
"BELZEC. THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOURCES.
Excavations 1997-1999". ISBN 83-905590-6-4). The study has recovered
human remains over a very large area, to a depth of up to six meters.
The minimal estimate to the volume of the graves is 21,000 cubic meters.
RJ.
Tall Henry
Benjamin Cramer <onlyth...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
> You can probably do the same, you disgusting carpet muncher.
Please try to be more polite, you old motherfucking
freak. Now that's better.
Tall Henry
We can settle this easily. Where is the recording of
the alleged statement by Shawcross?
WHAAAAT? The revisionists don't have it??? Really????
RJ11
Lisa Lisa <mand...@verizon.net> wrote:
> He pulled it out of his Aussie ass.
Practically everything "Cramer" posts is a forgery. For
example:
In Message-ID: <b4adnSx2NqPH8u7b...@giganews.com>,
"Cramer" posted text allegedly taken from the article "Cold
Reminder," NY Times, Dec. 3 1994.
However, as everyone can easily check, the text posted
by "Cramer" is actually taken from a "revisionist" website,
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html, and it was
written by someone named Michael A. Hoffman II in 2006.
RJ.
Benjamin Cramer
> On Sep 25, 3:30 am, waldeau...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Do you consider scrapbookpages.com a "revisionist website", Tilly? I
>> hope so, because they quote the speech, and attribute the source as an
>> AP article. (Scroll to the bottom of the page).
>
> Really? Where? I didn't see it.
There are none so blind as those who don't wish to see, poofess.
>>
>> Quoting Scrapbook Pages:
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Forty years later, Sir Hartley Shawcross, the British chief prosecutor
>> at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal, said the following
>> in a speech which he made in Stourbridge England on March 16, 1984, as
>> quoted in an Associated Press story:
>>
>> Step by step, I have arrived at the conviction that the aims of
>> Communism in Europe are sinister and fatal.
>
> Why did the old fart have to wait until 1984 to realize that the
> Soviet Union was a human rights abuser on a large scale? Was this old
> poop so out-of-touch because he was living in a cave in Afghanistan
> with Bin Laden?
Does it matter? He made the statement. End of story.
>
> Shawcross was a leftist, and if he did indeed make this statement,
> then it was because he was publicly repudiating his former leftism.
> Shawcross was just doing the John Dos Passos thing---flip-flopping
> from one extreme to the other.
>
> I don't like flip-floppers. I find them to be rabid, immoderate and
> unstable.
Doesn't matter what you like, you silly little carpet muncher. He made the
statement.
By the bye - Your behavior seems a rabid, immoderate and more than a little
unstable, not to mention deviant.
Ariadne
> "Mirelle" <labellemire...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
> > On Sep 23, 5:12 pm, "Benjamin Cramer" <onlythetr...@alltimes.yep>
> > wrote:
>
> > Interesting.
> > I never heard of this before.
>
>
Couldn't agree more. Its origin is in neo-Nazi sites,
including one called "Support the Holocaust". I wonder
which hellhole hosts that.
RJ11
Benjamin Cramer <onlyth...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
(silly drivel given the snip)
Meet "Cramer" everybody. The only troll who's actually
dumb enough to admit that he's a troll:
"I'm not here to rebut anything or anyone, cuntface. I'm here
to antagonise and keep you occupied." -- Posted by "Ben Cramer",
Message-ID: <dv0e2v$l5a$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>.
RJ.
Lisa Lisa
I haven't found any evidence of Holocaust denial on Shawcross's part.
All I found was a man who repudiated his former leftism.
Lisa
Benjamin Cramer
Read the entire article, you cloth-eared bint. With open eyes, if you will
please.
ZULU
> On Sep 23, 8:12 pm, "Benjamin Cramer" <onlythetr...@alltimes.yep>
> wrote:
>
>>"As most people will have gathered, Sir Hartley Shawcross, later Lord
>>Shawcross, died on 10 July 2003 at the age of 101.
>
>
> It's 2007. Why are you bringing his death up NOW?
>
Socrates or Shakespeare died before him but are still quoted nowadays.
Some things deserve to be remembered from time to time.
Lisa Lisa
wrote:
> "Lisa Lisa" <mando...@verizon.net> wrote in message
So where's the Holocaust denial?
Lisa
Benjamin Cramer
Was there meant to be any Holocaust denial, troughlicker?
Lisa Lisa
Then why did you quote him, Aussie faggot? You must have been trying
to make a point.
What was it?
Lisa
Lisa
Benjamin Cramer
I believe I did.
>
> What was it?
The one I made, you silly little troughlicker.
Lisa Lisa
wrote:
<snip>
> >> >> Read the entire article, you cloth-eared bint. With open eyes, if you
> >> >> will
> >> >> please.-
>
> >> > So where's the Holocaust denial?
>
> >> Was there meant to be any Holocaust denial, troughlicker?-
>
> > Then why did you quote him, Aussie faggot? You must have been trying
> > to make a point.
>
> I believe I did.
No, you didn't. You took his speech out of context and tried to make
him into a Holocaust denier, which, of course, he wasn't.
In 1940, Hitler had wanted an alliance with Britain so he could finish
off "Jewish Bolshevik" Russia without interference, but Churchill had
just been elected and all he got was the cold shoulder. Hitler's
offer to Britain was: "You can have your Empire; just give us the
Continent. Ally yourselves with us. Be on the winning side." The
British reply was: "No deal, gangster."
Shawcross, in 1984, thought that Britain should have taken the deal
and allied itself with Nazi Germany. Perhaps Shawcross thought that
if Britain had been a Nazi ally, it would have preserved the Empire.
Perhaps he was simply switching political loyalties to cement his ties
to business. Or perhaps both reasons were true. But then again,
Shawcross isn't important. He's just a latter-day John Dos Passos---
switching allegiances so he can be on the winning side.
Shawcross was an idiot, but no Holocaust denier. Too bad for you and
all the other idiots who take his words out of context and post them
on neo-Nazi websites. I do believe it's time for you to be carried
out to sea in a rip current, to get eaten by a shark.
Lisa
Richard Warren
Sorry but, once again, Shawcross made no such speech - not in Stourbridge or
any other place, not in 1984 or any other year.
walde...@gmail.com
> "Lisa Lisa" <mando...@verizon.net> wrote in message
And you base this statement on what, Warrenski? That you don't like
what was said? That you don't like the websites where the text can be
found?
Substantiate your allegation.
Benjamin Cramer
> On Sep 26, 11:59 pm, "Benjamin Cramer" <onlythetr...@alltimes.yep>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> >> >> Read the entire article, you cloth-eared bint. With open eyes, if
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> please.-
>>
>> >> > So where's the Holocaust denial?
>>
>> >> Was there meant to be any Holocaust denial, troughlicker?-
>>
>> > Then why did you quote him, Aussie faggot? You must have been trying
>> > to make a point.
>>
>> I believe I did.
>
> No, you didn't. You took his speech out of context and tried to make
> him into a Holocaust denier, which, of course, he wasn't.
I did not such thing, troughlicker. You engaging in the usual yid bleating
and moaning exercise.
RJ11
Benjamin Cramer <onlyth...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
(snip)
No content there, vermin. Is it only your lack of
knowledge, ability, and talent, or are the drugs also
to blame?
"my younger Brother got me absolutely stoned on magic mushrooms.
I spent three days sitting in the corner of the tent waiting to come
down." -- the neo-Nazi "Ben Cramer" reflects on his usage of
hallucinatory drugs. Source:
Message-ID: <1125123267.5e5d281ad88798917af26011bcb01dc0@teranews>
RJ.
Richard Warren
<walde...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190917888.2...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
Call the AP like I did. They reported no such speech on the date cited or
any other date. Check the Shawcross memoirs, like I did. No such speech is
mentioned. Even David Irving,, on his website in his eulogy to Shawcross,
doesn't mention it. Or don't you think Irving would miss an opportunity to
exploit it? Sorry to burst your balloon, Wally. But take heart, you can
still go on shilling for your fuehrer. You'll just have to do it without
Sir Hartley's approval.
Gord McFee
> On Sep 25, 3:30 am, waldeau...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Do you consider scrapbookpages.com a "revisionist website", Tilly? I
>> hope so, because they quote the speech, and attribute the source as an
>> AP article. (Scroll to the bottom of the page).
>
> Really? Where? I didn't see it.
Here is how to do it.
According to the AP, Wadope is the village idiot.
There, it is proved because it was attributed to the AP.
Easy, isn't it?
--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time
Visit the Holocaust History Project
http://www.holocaust-history.org
Benjamin Cramer
"Gord McFee" <gord....@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:13fossq...@corp.supernews.com...
> On 9/25/2007 10:44 AM, Lisa Lisa wrote:
>
>> On Sep 25, 3:30 am, waldeau...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Do you consider scrapbookpages.com a "revisionist website", Tilly? I
>>> hope so, because they quote the speech, and attribute the source as an
>>> AP article. (Scroll to the bottom of the page).
>>
>> Really? Where? I didn't see it.
>
> Here is how to do it.
>
> According to the AP, Wadope is the village idiot.
>
> There, it is proved because it was attributed to the AP.
>
> Easy, isn't it?
You missed the earlier posts, old feller. Twatty was showing up, again, and
Waldo pulled the silly little twat into line.
walde...@gmail.com
> <waldeau...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Really Mr. Warren? What number did you call? What was the department,
and who was the exact person that you spoke with?
> They reported no such speech on the date cited or
> any other date. Check the Shawcross memoirs, like I did.
Provide us a link, or a library catalog reference.
> No such speech is
> mentioned. Even David Irving,, on his website in his eulogy to Shawcross,
> doesn't mention it. Or don't you think Irving would miss an opportunity to
> exploit it? Sorry to burst your balloon, Wally. But take heart, you can
> still go on shilling for your fuehrer. You'll just have to do it without
> Sir Hartley's approval.
You neglected to mention that you (or one of your Semitist cohorts)
ALSO contacted scrapbookpages.com, and either convinced or coerced
them to REMOVE the Shawcross text that I dug up and quoted earlier -
POOF- GONE like the six million "missing Jews".
Now I suppose you think you can crow that "no such text exists" on
Scrapbookpages.com. and presume to call me a liar, right Warren?
Have you good connections at Google? Well you'd better get dialing
fast, because below are links to scrapbookpages site AFTER you and/or
your meddling Semitist cohorts coercced them into deleting the text,
AND google's CACHED version, which shows the text INTACT.
At the bottom of the modified page is a LIE, stating that the page was
last updated on January 10, 2007. It was in fact updated yesterday or
today - September 27, 2007.
Here's the Jew-meddled link:
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/HungarianJews2.html
And here's the link to the google cache, with the Shawcross text
intact:
Here's a tinyurl link of the above
That was a really neat trick, Mr. Warren. Pity you couldn't pull it
off without getting caught.
That you are a dishonest turd is news to no one, but this is no game
to you, is it Warren? You and your Semitist/Zionist pals are DAMN
serious about protecting your sacred Holocaustic Cow, aren't you? It
shows exactly how much you have riding on this hoax of hoaxes, this
scam of scams. And you have EVERYTHING riding on it.
The problem is, the more you try to bury, the more you uncover, and
the more perfume you spray, the more the whole damn thing stinks. What
kind of "truth" must be backed up with lies? What kind of "history"
must be supported by fabrications? What kind of "facts" must be
protected by threatening detractors with PRISON TIME, or if the
Holocaust Heretic be a State (like Iran), with NUCLEAR ATTACK?
Throughout Jewish history, the Jews have worked continuously to
parasitically milk and bleed the Goyim - and with some success.
Unfortunately for Jews, these successes have always been cyclical -
the Goyim eventually wise up, and Jews get spanked - sometimes they
get spanked HARD. But regardless of how many times you get
reprimanded, you never change your ways, rather, you seek more clever
and devious ways to trick the Goyim.
Do you really think that these cycles have ended now, Warren? Do you
really think that the Goyim won't wake up this time, that you have
finally found Jewtopia?
For the sake of posterity, I'll repost this info in a new thread, and
include the full text of BOTH versions of the page, along with links.
Have a memorably sporty day, Mr. Warren.
Benjamin Cramer
done, I say. I dips me lid to you.
<walde...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190953411....@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Richard Warren
<walde...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190953411....@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Poor, poor Wally. So, so angry and hostile. Tell us, dear boy, how Jews or
I anyone else, for that matter, could coerce Scrapbookpages into modifying
their site. What could they threaten them with? Even better, what could I
threaten them with? You, yourself, probably had more to do with the
disappearance of your bogus reference by flogging it here, thereby causing a
reader of this, or the other ng's you crosspost to, to alert them to the
fact that they were publishing a forgery. And you know as well as I do that
it is indeed a forgery. Or are you so stupid as to believe that it never
appeared on the web until AFTER Shawcross died because then he wouldn't be
around to put the lie to it? Are you that stupid, Wally?
Now get lost. Don't you have some Jewish cemetary to desecrate or swastikas
to spray paint on the sidewalk?
Lisa Lisa
>
> And here's the link to the google cache, with the Shawcross text
> intact:
>
I read Shawcross's idiot speech at Stourbridge on the Scrapbook site.
He made the fantastic statement that Hitler didn't want war. I guess
Hitler conquered most of Western Europe and launched Operation
Barabarossa by accident.
Shawcross should have made his little speech at Vilna or Warsaw. They
would have strung him up by his heels.
Anyhow, who cares about what some dotty old bastard said in some
obscure English town? People say all kinds of shit. Just because
someone says something, that's no reason to believe it.
Lisa
Benjamin Cramer
Will you allow that to apply to the likes of Vrba, Mermelstein, Wiernik,
Wiesel, Wilkomirski, et al?
>
>
>
Lisa Lisa
> > He made the fantastic statement that Hitler didn't want war. I guess
> > Hitler conquered most of Western Europe and launched Operation
> > Barabarossa by accident.
>
> > Shawcross should have made his little speech at Vilna or Warsaw. They
> > would have strung him up by his heels.
>
> > Anyhow, who cares about what some dotty old bastard said in some
> > obscure English town? People say all kinds of shit. Just because
> > someone says something, that's no reason to believe it.
>
> > Lisa
>
> Will you allow that to apply to the likes of Vrba, Mermelstein, Wiernik,
> Wiesel, Wilkomirski, et al?
I think that people who make mistakes ought to be corrected, that
liars ought to be corrected and reprimanded, and that habitual and
willful liars like yourself ought to be strung up by your balls---if
you actually have any.
Lisa
Gord McFee
<XvWdnWeRCLWM6mHb...@giganews.com>, "Benjamin Cramer"
<onlyth...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
You never get the point, do you?
Benjamin Cramer
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:37:34 +1000, in
> <XvWdnWeRCLWM6mHb...@giganews.com>, "Benjamin Cramer"
> <onlyth...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
>
>> "Gord McFee" <gord....@rogers.com> wrote in message
>> news:13fossq...@corp.supernews.com...
>> > On 9/25/2007 10:44 AM, Lisa Lisa wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sep 25, 3:30 am, waldeau...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> <snip>
>> >>
>> >>> Do you consider scrapbookpages.com a "revisionist website", Tilly? I
>> >>> hope so, because they quote the speech, and attribute the source as
>> >>> an
>> >>> AP article. (Scroll to the bottom of the page).
>> >>
>> >> Really? Where? I didn't see it.
>> >
>> > Here is how to do it.
>> >
>> > According to the AP, Wadope is the village idiot.
>> >
>> > There, it is proved because it was attributed to the AP.
>> >
>> > Easy, isn't it?
>>
>> You missed the earlier posts, old feller. Twatty was showing up, again,
>> and
>> Waldo pulled the silly little twat into line.
>
> You never get the point, do you?
And what point might that be, oh duplicitious one? Which "point" are you
creating out of thin air now?
Benjamin Cramer
I have no need to lie, poofess. I'm not a yid.
You still haven't answered the question re the professional yid liars I
list.
>
>
> Lisa
>
>
RJ11
Benjamin Cramer <onlyth...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
(snip)
For conclusive proof that "Cramer" is a forger, look
at Message-ID: <b4adnSx2NqPH8u7b...@giganews.com>,
in which he asserts to post the content of the article
"Cold Reminder", NY Times, Dec. 3 1994.
Unfortunately for "Cramer", the NYT archives are now
free. As everyone can easily check by visiting
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE0DB1F30F930A35751C1A962958260,
the article "Cramer" posted has nothing to do with the
actual article.
RJ.
Lisa Lisa
> In article <kPydndZvR9t75mDbnZ2dnUVZ_qOkn...@giganews.com>,
>
> Benjamin Cramer <onlythetr...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
> For conclusive proof that "Cramer" is a forger, look
> in which he asserts to post the content of the article
> "Cold Reminder", NY Times, Dec. 3 1994.
>
> Unfortunately for "Cramer", the NYT archives are now
> the article "Cramer" posted has nothing to do with the
> actual article.
>
> RJ.
LOL. I looked up what Cramer wrote, and it's certainly nothing like
the Times article. This is Cramer's version:
***********************************************************
Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
This was a movement staffed in its upper echelons by Judaic Communists
and
yet the world is comparatively silent about the holocaust and war
crimes
this thoroughly kosher system inflicted and the identity of the
persons who
were its architects.
Auschwitz is on the tip of every tongue but who has heard of Kolyma,
Magadan, the Solovetsky islands and the other infernal Soviet centers
of
human destruction in eastern Siberia? Who has seen films and books
about the
millions of human beings worked, frozen and starved to death in the
construction of the White Sea-Baltic Canal, over which stood a
triumphant,
colossal statue of the Judaic Communist mass murderer Genrikh Yagoda?
The Judaic Communist epoch of mass murder has disappeared into history
in
one of the great vanishing acts of all time. Only practiced deceivers,
with
all the sleight of hand of the most accomplished stage magicians,
could pull
off such a coup against the rest of humanity. To trick mankind into
focusing
nearly all expiatory sentiment, monuments and commemoration on Judaic
victims and brand the Mark of Cain--the very words war crime and
holocaust
itself--on Germany and upon Germans alone as their proprietary
trademark,
must be regarded as one of the most masterful achievements of
psychological
warfare in the annals of illusion.
Israeli power has expanded commensurate with the expansion of
"Holocaust"
propaganda, as noted by the Israeli author Moshe Leshem: "Israelis
and
American Jews fully agree that the memory of the Holocaust is an
indispensable weapon--one that must be used relentlessly against
their
common enemy...Jewish organizations and individuals thus labor
continuously
to remind the world of it. In America, the perpetuation of the
Holocaust
memory is now a $100-million-a-year enterprise, part of which is
government-funded." ( Balaam's Curse, p. 228)
This is why Edgar Bronfman, the billionaire Canadian Seagram's
whiskey
merchant and chairman of the powerful World Jewish Congress says,
"The
growing numbers of revisionist supporters cannot be ignored. We must
use
every resource to stop revisionism now, before it's too late."
The reason it must be stopped is because revisionism could prevent the
holy
people from finishing the job they started in Russia and Bavaria, only
this
time they are using intellectual means to achieve the same end.
Consider the fact that the people who bear the brunt of contemporary
Jewish
racist hatred and invective, the Germans, have among the lowest
birthrates
and the highest abortion rates of any nation in the world. Far more
Germans
die every year than are born.
The self-hating Germans are not the only targets of corrosive gas
chamber
guilt, however. Organized Christianity (more accurately called
Churchianity)
nowadays is little more than one huge turkey flock, truckling,
toadying and
crawling in search of Judaic sanctification and approbation. Their
savior
called the Jewish leadership of his time, "the children of
hell" (Matthew
23:15) but those who presume to speak in His name today, call them
the
saints and sages of the cosmos.
Only in such a profoundly falsified world soaked in fraud could the
international media sit by, uninterested, as the great-great grandson
of the
blood-drenched Jewish Red Army commander Leon Trotsky, David Axelrod,
shot
to death an elderly Palestinian couple in November of 1990, as part of
an
Israeli, "Kach" terror group raid.
But imagine--if you can--the hubbub if a grandson of a Nazi war
criminal had
shot a Turkish couple in Germany. The weeping, wailing and never-
ending
references to "Never Forget" and "lessons of history" would seep out
of the
collective TV sets of the earth like waste from a toxic septic tank,
because
what is clear from such a double standard is that the true lessons of
history are not being learned and recollection itself is hostage to
the
diorama of Zionist monomania.
Sixteen million ethnic Germans were forcibly expelled from Silesia,
Moravia
and the Volga regions of the eastern territories at the end of the
Second
World War. On this trail of tears, two million perished--shot to
death,
starved, raped and beaten. Ask one in one thousand, one in ten
thousand
people on the street today-- "Have you heard?" The answer will be no.
The Steven Spielberg movie images of cattle cars jammed with human
cargo are
reserved for Jewish victims alone. The 800,000 mostly Muslim Chechens
deported by Judaic commissars and savagely stuffed into railway cars
to
Kazakhstan, where a quarter of a million died enroute, do not meet
Hollywood's standard of cinematic focus.
The Soviet cattle car deportations afflicted more than a half-million
Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian Christians who were shipped to the
Gulag.
12% of the entire Baltic population was either deported to Siberia or
executed by the Jewish Soviet Secret Police. Who knows of it? Who
cares? Who
tries to keep this history from repeating? Instead, in 1995 the
president of
Lithuania made a pilgrimage to the Israeli gas chamber shrine at Yad
Vashem
to grovel and beg "forgiveness" for his people who were the victims of
the
Jewish Communist murderers. To seek forgiveness in all humility is
ordained
when it is predicated on the truth. To do so based on false witness in
order
to idolize the Pharisees is a mockery of justice.
In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
communist
party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of the total
population (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
The following is a list of some top Judaic Communist murderers,
commissars,
spies, assassins and propagandists (aliases are listed in
parentheses). This
list is by no means comprehensive. To catalog all of the Judaic
Communist
involved in crimes would require hundreds of pages.
Judaic Communists
V.I. Lenin, supreme dictator. Leon Bronstein (Trotsky): supreme
commander of
the Soviet Red Army. Grigory Apfelbaum (Zinoviev): executive, Soviet
Secret
Police. Solomon Lozovsky: deputy Soviet foreign minister. Maxim
Wallach
(Litvinov): Soviet foreign minister. Yuri Andropov: director, Soviet
KGB,
later supreme dictator of the Soviet Union.
Jacob Sverdlov: first president of the Soviet Union. Sverdlov ordered
the
massacre of the Czar's family--women and children--in the town named
after
Catherine the Great, Yekaterinburg, (renamed Sverdlovsk in 1924 in
honor of
the murderer).
Jacob Yurovsky: commander, Soviet Secret Police. Yurovsky led the
death
squad which carried out Sverdlov's order for the murder of the Czar's
family, including the bayoneting to death of the Czar's daughters.
The
Ipatyev house, where, in the basement, the massacre had occurred,
stood
intact until 1977, when the local Communist party boss at that time,
Boris
Yeltsin, ordered it demolished, lest it become a shrine to anti-
Jewish
sentiment.
Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich (pictured at left): chief mass murderer
for
Stalin, ordered the deaths of millions and the wholesale destruction
of
Christian monuments and churches, including the great Cathedral of
Christ
the Savior. Standing amid the rubble of the cathedral, Kaganovich
proclaimed, "Mother Russia is cast down. We have ripped away her
skirts."
(N.Y. Times, Sept. 26, 1995).
Mikhail Kaganovich: deputy commissar of heavy industry, supervisor of
slave
labor, brother of Lazar. Rosa Kaganovich: Stalin's mistress; sister
of
Lazar. Paulina Zhemchuzina: member of the Central Committee and wife
of
Soviet Foreign Minister Molotov. Olga Bronstein: officer, Soviet
Cheka
Secret Police, sister of Trotsky, wife of Kamenev.
Genrikh Yagoda: chief of Soviet Secret Police, mass murderer
extraordinaire.
(Jewish poet Romain Rolland, winner of the Nobel Prize, wrote a hymn
of
praise to Yagoda).
Matvei Berman and Naftaly Frenkel: founders, the Gulag death camp
system.
Lev Inzhir, commissar for Soviet death camp transit and
administration.
Boris Berman: executive officer of the Soviet Secret Police and
brother of
Matvei. K.V. Pauker: chief of operations, Soviet NKVD Secret Police.
Firin, Rappoport, Kogan, Zhuk: commissars of death camps and slave
labor,
supervised the mass deaths of laborers during the construction of the
White
Sea--Baltic Canal.
M.I. Gay: commander, Soviet Secret Police. Slutsky and Shpiegelglas:
commanders, Soviet Secret Police. Isaac Babel: officer, Soviet Secret
Police.
Leiba Lazarevich Feldbin (Aleksandr Orlov): commander, Soviet Red
Army;
officer, Soviet Secret Police. Feldbin was chief of Soviet Security in
the
Spanish Civil War. He supervised the massacre of Catholic priests and
peasants in Spain.
Yona Yakir: general, Soviet Red Army, member of the Central
Committee.
Dimitri Shmidt: general, Soviet Red Army. Yakov ("Yankel") Kreiser:
general,
Soviet Red Army. Miron Vovsi: general, Soviet Red Army.
David Dragonsky: general, Soviet Red Army, Hero of the Soviet Union.
Grigori
Shtern: general, Soviet Red Army. Mikhail Chazkelevich: general,
Soviet Red
Army. Shimon Kirvoshein: general, Soviet Red Army. Arseni Raskin:
deputy-commander, Soviet Red Army. Haim Fomin, commander of Brest-
Litovsk,
Soviet Red Army. At least one hundred Soviet generals were Jewish
(cf.
Canadian Jewish News, April 19, 1989).
Generals who were not themselves Jewish often had Jewish wives. Among
these
were Marshal Voroshilov, Marshal Bulganin, Marshal Peresypkin and
General
Pavel Sudoplatov (Sudoplatov assassinated hundreds of Christian
leaders
including Ukranian Catholic Archbishop Teodor Romzha). This Jewish
wife
"insurance policy" extended to Politburo members such as Andrei
Andreyev and
Leonoid Brezhnev.
Sergei Eisenstein: director of communist propaganda films which
depicted
Christian peasants (kulaks) as hideous, money-grabbing parasites. The
kulaks
were subsequently massacred. (Cf. for example Eisenstein's Bezhin
Meadow).
KOMZET: commission for the settlement of Jewish Communists on land
seized
from murdered Christians in Ukraine; funded by Jewish-American
financier
Julius Rosenwald.
Ilya Ehrenburg, Minister of Soviet Propaganda and disseminator of
anti-German hate material dating from the 1930s. Ehrenburg instigated
the
Soviet Red Army rape and murder of German civilians. Referring to
German
women, Ehrenburg gloated to the advancing Red Army troops, "that
blonde hag
is in for a bad time."
In a leaflet addressed to Soviet troops, Ehrenburg wrote: "...the
Germans
are not human beings...nothing gives us so much joy as German
corpses."
(Anatol Goldberg, Ilya Ehrenburg, p. 197). Goldberg concedes that
Ehrenburg,
"...had always disliked the Germans...now that there was a war on he
turned
his old prejudice into an asset." (Ibid., p. 193).
Another publication distributed to the Red Army, this time as the
soldiers
approached Danzig, was described by a historian: "Millions of leaflets
were
air-dropped on the troops with a message composed by the propagandist
Ilya
Ehrenburg and signed by Stalin: 'Soldiers of the Red Army! Kill the
Germans!
Kill all Germans! Kill! Kill! Kill!" (Christopher Duffy, Red Storm on
the
Reich).
The Soviet leadership acknowledged that Ehrenburg sought the
extermination
of the entire German people (cf. Pravda, April 14, 1945. [Pravda was
also
published in a Yiddish edition, Einikeyt). Ehrenburg won the Order of
Lenin
and the Stalin Prize. He willed his papers to the Israeli Yad Vashem
'Holocaust' Museum.
Solomon Mikhoels: commissar of Soviet propaganda. Soviet film
propagandists:
Mark Donsky, Leonid Lukov, Yuli Reisman, Vasily Grossman,Yevgeny
Gabrilovich, Boris Volchok and Lillian Hellman (old movies written by
her
continue to be broadcast on American telelvision).
Soviet propagandist: Yevgeny Khaldei who staged the photo of the
raising of
the hammer and sickle flag over the Reichstag in Berlin, May 2, 1945.
Afterward, a special plane was waiting to fly Khaldei, Stalin's top
Tass
photographer, to a Moscow lab, where his photo was further doctored
(loot
displayed on one of the Soviet soldier's wrists was removed in the
negative
and Khaldei added clouds and smoke to the scene for dramatic effect
(see
photo of Khaldei and his beloved flag at left). Khaldei continued to
work as
a premier Soviet propagandist until his retirement from Pravda in
1972. His
Communist propaganda is proudly on display at the Jewish Museum of New
York
and the Jewish Museum of San Francisco. N.Y. Times writer Vicki
Goldberg
exulted in the raising of the blood-drenched Soviet flag, emblem of
the
slaughter of millions of peasants and Christians; describing it as,
"...a
national (and worldwide) symbol of triumph, justice and
revenge." (Jan. 31,
1997, p. B-26).
Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee (JAC): new form of the Bolshevik
YEVKOM,
Stalin's recruiting conduit for funding money, supplies and political
influence for Soviet Russia from world Jewry as well as the
dissemination of
gas chamber atrocity propaganda (cf. The Black Book).
Nikolai Bukharin: Lenin's chief theorist. Samuel Agursky: commissar.
Karl
Radek: member, Central Committee. Mikhail Gruzenberg (Borodin)
commissar.
A.A. Yoffe: commissar. David Ryazanov: advisor to Lenin. Lev
Grigorievich
Levin: physician, poisoner of Stalin's enemies. Lev Rosenfeld
(Kamenev):
member of the Central Committee.
Ivan Maisky: Soviet Ambassador to Britain. Itzik Solomonovich Feffer:
commissar, Soviet Secret Police. Abraham Sutskever: Soviet
terrorist-partisan. Mark Osipovich Reizen: Soviet propagandist, winner
of
three Stalin Prizes. Lev Leopold Trepper: Soviet espionage officer.
Bela Kun (Kohen): supreme dictator of Hungary in 1919. Kun was later
Stalin's chief terrorist in the Crimea. Kun's eventual successor was
Matyas
Rakosi, Jewish Communist mass murderer of Christians in Hungary.
According
to the Jewish Telegraph Agency of May 14, 1997, Jews "...played key
roles in
ushering Communist rule into Hungary. In fact, during the brutal
oppression
of the early 1950s, the regime's top five leaders were Jews. "
Zakharovich Mekhlis: top executioner for Stalin. Henrykas Zimanas:
leader of
Lithuanian communist terrorists, butcher of Christians.
Moshe Pijade (sometimes spelled Piade): commander, Yugoslav Communist
People's Army. Tito's top butcher of hundreds of thousands of
Croatian
Christians. Pijade later served as president of the Yugoslav
Communist
Parliament. At least eighteen generals in the Yugoslav Communist
People's
Army were Jewish. The Yugoslavian communist party sent massive arms
shipments to Jewish fighters in Palestine in the 1940s.
In post-war Poland that nation was completely dominated by Jewish
communists: the torturer Jacek Rozanski, head of the Secret Police;
the
Politboro commander Jacob Berman (pictured at right)
and commissars Minc, Specht (Olszewski) and Spychalski. These men
murdered
or deported to Kolyma and the other Arctic death camps, tens of
thousands of
Catholic Poles.
According to Jewish researcher John Sack, "In 1945 many Poles felt
(and not
without reason) that Jews ran the Office of State Security...the chief
of
the Office was Jacob Berman, a Jew, and all or almost all the
department
heads were Jews." Sack reports that 75% of the officers of the
Communist
Secret Police in Silesia were Jews. He noted that many Jews in the
Communist
terror apparatus in Poland changed their names to Polish ones like
General
Romkowski, Colonel Rozanski, Capt. Studencki and Lt. Jurkowski. (cf.
John
Sack, The New Republic, Feb. 14, 1994, p. 6. Sack in this article
also
refutes some shoddy research performed by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen,
author of
Hitler's Willing Executioners, who, in the double standard typical of
the
Jewish mentality, refuses to accept the proven fact that Jews ran the
Polish
Communist secret police even as Goldhagen asserts the racist myth that
the
entire German nation was guilty of genocide. Sack does a good job of
proving
Goldhagen wrong about Poland).
In Poland, "...a disproportionate number of Communists were Jews. In
1930,
at its peak, 35% of the members of the party were Jewish. In Communist
youth
organizations, Jewish membership was even higher, while Communists of
Jewish
origin occupied most of the seats on the central committee. Communism
appealed to some Jews because it opposed anti-Semitism more vigorously
than
any other Polish party...Jewish Communists reached their apogee in the
years
immediately after World War Two, when the party leadership was totally
in
the hands of the prewar Communist leadership that abhorred anti-
Semitism."
(Sheldon Kirshner, The Canadian Jewish News, Nov. 5, 1992, p. 16).
Of course when one encounters the issue of Judaics, Communists and
Catholics
in Poland in the Establishment media or universities today, the mass
murder
of the Polish Catholics at the hands of the Jewish Communists, is
never
raised. Instead, a minor attack on Jews by Polish peasants enraged at
the
role of Jews in Communist terror, which occurred in July, 1946 at
Kielce and
which has come to be called the "Kielce pogrom" will be the
centerpiece of
the "discussion. " The motivation for the attack is not usually
mentioned.
Rather, the Catholic peasantry are painted in terms of "fiendish
bigots"
whose "blind, irrational hate" for the "poor, persecuted Jews"
resulted in
"yet another martyrdom of God's Chosen."
But the Catholic Primate of Poland at the time, Cardinal Hlond, a
brave
prelate in a stalwart tradition of Christian resistance to Jewish
tyranny in
Poland, so different from the traitorous philo-Judaism of the current
Pontiff, stated that the attack in Kielce occurred because of
resentment
'due to the Jews who today occupy leading positions in Poland's
(Communist)
government and endeavor to introduce a governmental structure that
the
majority of Poles do not wish to have." (Ibid., Kirshner).
As Piotr S. Wandycz of Yale University observes, "The average Pole
could not
but notice in the Stalinist era that the two most powerful men in the
country--Berman and Minc--were both Jewish as was the dreaded
security
official Rozanski." (N.Y. Review of Books, Aug. 18, 1983, p. 51).
With this record it is interesting to note that the Polish occupant of
the
papacy, John Paul II, consistently lent his prestige and his presence
to
canonizations and commemorations of politically correct victims of
the
Nazis. Nowhere did this Pope breath a word about the openly Jewish,
Communist massacres of Polish Catholics, Spanish Catholics, Croatian
Catholics, Lithuanian Catholics--he was too busy, intoning the Shoah,
referring to the heirs of the Pharisees as "our Elder Brothers in the
Faith"
giving official recognition to an Israeli state which even many
orthodox,
Haredi rabbis regard as a blasphemous and abominable entity, and
attacking
the German people as "the image of the beast."
Solomon Morel (pictured at left): commandant of a post-war Communist
concentration camp for Germans in Poland. Stalin deliberately put Jews
in
charge of such camps. Morel tortured and murdered thousands of
Germans,
sometimes with his bare hands (cf. "The Wrath of Solomon," Village
Voice,
March 30, 1993 and John Sack, An Eye for an Eye). Morel is
comfortably
esconsed in Tel Aviv. German survivors of Morel's camp have demanded
he be
tried as a war criminal, but for the Establishment media and the
phony,
partisan, "human rights" groups, bringing Morel to justice is simply
a
non-issue. After all, he murdered helpless Germans, so what's the
problem?
Julius Hammer, M.D.: New York abortionist and co-founder of the
American
communist party. Armand Hammer: fundraiser and financier for Lenin
and
Stalin, son of Julius. "The Communist Party was also the most Jewish
party
in America. At least nineteen percent of the Young Communist League
were
Jews and never less than forty percent of its leadership." (Source:
"Pakn
Treger: From Yiddish Roots to the Frontiers of Jewish Culture," Fall
1997,
p. 18).
Lev Davidovich Landau: Stalinist physicist, co-father of the Soviet
atomic
bomb. Klaus Fuchs: helped steal atomic bomb secrets for Stalin. Ruth
Werner:
colonel, Red Army GRU intelligence, assisted Fuchs. Julius and Ethel
Rosenberg: stole American atomic bomb secrets for Stalin. Morris
Cohen
(Peter Kroger): assisted the Rosenbergs. Markus Wolf: chief of German
Communist Stasi Secret Police.
Howard Fast: American communist propagandist for Stalin. David
Dubinsky:
Stalin's ally, head of the U.S. International Ladies Garment Workers
Union.
Nahum Goldmann: founder, World Jewish Congress, communist
propagandist.
Rabbi Moses Rosen: agent, Romanian communist party. Victor Rothschild:
top
British espionage agent for Stalin.
Mark Zborowski: "...considered by historians of Soviet terror
operations to
have been the most fearsome...(Soviet) spy of all time" (Stephen
Schwartz,
Forward, Jan. 26, 1996). Zborowski, a medical researcher, murdered a
dissident with a poisoned orange at the Soviet-run hospital in Paris.
Zborowski was implicated in several other assassinations in 1936 and
1937.
In the 1940s worked for both the American Jewish Committee and the
KGB. In
the 1960s Zborowski worked as a medical researcher at Mount Zion
Hospital in
San Francisco. He trained numerous psychiatrists and medical
specialists in
the Bay Area. He died in 1990 (cf. "The Strange Case of Doctor
Zborowski and
Monsieur Etienne" by Philippe Videlier, in Le Monde Diplomatique,
Dec.
1992).
>From 1936-1939, when Stalin's "International Brigade" forces were
dispatched
to Spain to fight the Catholics, Jewish Communists comprised the
largest
faction of his troops, "More than 40,000 volunteers fought in the
International Brigade...A huge number of the volunteers were Jews:
between
7,000 and 10,000 of the Internationals as a whole, more than one-third
of
the Americans." Jewish Communist Milton Wolff was the last commander
of the
American contingent. Rabbi Hyman Katz joined in order to fight
Spanish
Christians. (cf. Jeffrey Sharlet, "Troublemakers," Pakn Treger, Fall,
1997,
pp. 16, 18 and 24).
The Communists slaughtered 6,549 Spanish priests, 283 helpless nuns
and 13
bishops. "In Ciudad Real in the center of Spain, the bishop and every
single
priest of the diocese were murdered; not one escaped." --Dr. Warren
H.
Carroll, 70 Years of the Communist Revolution, pp. 184-185, 188-189.
(Also
cf. Justo Perez de Urbel, Catholic Martyrs of the Spanish Civil War
[Kansas
City, Missouri: The Angelus Press, 1993).
Benjamin Cramer
> On Sep 28, 6:36 pm, RJ11 <r...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> In article <kPydndZvR9t75mDbnZ2dnUVZ_qOkn...@giganews.com>,
>>
>> Benjamin Cramer <onlythetr...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>> For conclusive proof that "Cramer" is a forger, look
>> at Message-ID: <b4adnSx2NqPH8u7bnZ2dnUVZ_v-tn...@giganews.com>,
>> in which he asserts to post the content of the article
>> "Cold Reminder", NY Times, Dec. 3 1994.
>>
>> Unfortunately for "Cramer", the NYT archives are now
>> free. As everyone can easily check by
>> visitinghttp://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE0DB1F30F930A35751...,
>> the article "Cramer" posted has nothing to do with the
>> actual article.
>>
>> RJ.
>
> LOL. I looked up what Cramer wrote, and it's certainly nothing like
> the Times article. This is Cramer's version:
Yet it's exactly like the original article, faggottess.
Who do you suppose might have modified it, huh?
DoD
> On Sep 28, 6:36 pm, RJ11 <r...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> In article <kPydndZvR9t75mDbnZ2dnUVZ_qOkn...@giganews.com>,
>>
>> Benjamin Cramer <onlythetr...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>> For conclusive proof that "Cramer" is a forger, look
>> at Message-ID: <b4adnSx2NqPH8u7bnZ2dnUVZ_v-tn...@giganews.com>,
>> in which he asserts to post the content of the article
>> "Cold Reminder", NY Times, Dec. 3 1994.
>>
>> Unfortunately for "Cramer", the NYT archives are now
>> free. As everyone can easily check by
>> visitinghttp://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE0DB1F30F930A35751...,
>> the article "Cramer" posted has nothing to do with the
>> actual article.
>>
>> RJ.
>
> LOL. I looked up what Cramer wrote, and it's certainly nothing like
> the Times article. This is Cramer's version:
I love the way Ron showcases Creamers stupidity. Creamer loves following
people around like a little puppy.
There can be no more of a dimwitted troll than Creamer.
Tilly
:: Waldo, you're a gem. You've cooked this clot's goose in one easy
:: step. Well done, I say. I dips me lid to you.
Isn't it interesting that Cramer now counts white supremacists, racists and
revisionists amongst his new best friends.
It's even more interesting given that Cramer works in counter-terrorism and
has a Jewish paymaster.
The silly white supremacists, racists and revisionists are too stupid to
realise they have a mole in their midst.
Lisa Lisa
> "Lisa Lisa" <mando...@verizon.net> wrote in message
I wonder if there are legal penalties for attributing a malicious,
made-up article to a newspaper?
If there aren't, there should be. After all, the Times has a
reputation to protect. A lurker reading the article might really think
that the NYT published it.
Lisa
DoD
> On Sep 28, 9:24 pm, "DoD" <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Lisa Lisa" <mando...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1191026807....@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 28, 6:36 pm, RJ11 <r...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> In article <kPydndZvR9t75mDbnZ2dnUVZ_qOkn...@giganews.com>,
>>
>> >> Benjamin Cramer <onlythetr...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
>>
>> >> (snip)
>>
>> >> For conclusive proof that "Cramer" is a forger, look
>> >> at Message-ID: <b4adnSx2NqPH8u7bnZ2dnUVZ_v-tn...@giganews.com>,
>> >> in which he asserts to post the content of the article
>> >> "Cold Reminder", NY Times, Dec. 3 1994.
>>
>> >> Unfortunately for "Cramer", the NYT archives are now
>> >> free. As everyone can easily check by
>> >> visitinghttp://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE0DB1F30F930A35751...,
>> >> the article "Cramer" posted has nothing to do with the
>> >> actual article.
>>
>> >> RJ.
>>
>> > LOL. I looked up what Cramer wrote, and it's certainly nothing like
>> > the Times article. This is Cramer's version:
>>
>> I love the way Ron showcases Creamers stupidity. Creamer loves following
>> people around like a little puppy.
>>
>> There can be no more of a dimwitted troll than Creamer.-
>
> I wonder if there are legal penalties for attributing a malicious,
> made-up article to a newspaper?
Dunno.... But I don't know how anyone would take usenet seriously.
I will ignore the rest to keep us from arguing.... ;o)
Benjamin Cramer
"Tilly" <fem...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fdkb5v$oa5$1...@aioe.org...
> Benjamin Cramer wrote:
> :: Waldo, you're a gem. You've cooked this clot's goose in one easy
> :: step. Well done, I say. I dips me lid to you.
> ::
>
>
> Isn't it interesting that Cramer now counts white supremacists, racists
> and revisionists amongst his new best friends.
And how do you arrive at this erroneous conclusion, twatty?
>
> It's even more interesting given that Cramer works in counter-terrorism
> and has a Jewish paymaster.
I have occasional jewish paymesters, silly old thing.
>
> The silly white supremacists, racists and revisionists are too stupid to
> realise they have a mole in their midst.
Really. More yid "facts" from the silly little twat.
>
>
>
Benjamin Cramer
"DoD" <danski...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:46fda968$0$32523$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
JacobsOn is 'owt but a pathological liar, dumbkuntdoodoo. As his posting
history proves.
Gord McFee
<WNidnVvhK7Tq5mDb...@giganews.com>, "Benjamin Cramer"
<onlyth...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
Unbelievable.
Benjamin Cramer
> On Sep 28, 9:24 pm, "DoD" <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Lisa Lisa" <mando...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1191026807....@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 28, 6:36 pm, RJ11 <r...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> In article <kPydndZvR9t75mDbnZ2dnUVZ_qOkn...@giganews.com>,
>>
>> >> Benjamin Cramer <onlythetr...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
>>
>> >> (snip)
>>
>> >> For conclusive proof that "Cramer" is a forger, look
>> >> at Message-ID: <b4adnSx2NqPH8u7bnZ2dnUVZ_v-tn...@giganews.com>,
>> >> in which he asserts to post the content of the article
>> >> "Cold Reminder", NY Times, Dec. 3 1994.
>>
>> >> Unfortunately for "Cramer", the NYT archives are now
>> >> free. As everyone can easily check by
>> >> visitinghttp://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE0DB1F30F930A35751...,
>> >> the article "Cramer" posted has nothing to do with the
>> >> actual article.
>>
>> >> RJ.
>>
>> > LOL. I looked up what Cramer wrote, and it's certainly nothing like
>> > the Times article. This is Cramer's version:
>>
>> I love the way Ron showcases Creamers stupidity. Creamer loves following
>> people around like a little puppy.
>>
>> There can be no more of a dimwitted troll than Creamer.-
>
> I wonder if there are legal penalties for attributing a malicious,
> made-up article to a newspaper?
Not a made up article at all, faggottess. Nor is it my article.
Be away with you and your lying, troughie.
Benjamin Cramer
Says the stupid little oik who posts yid propaganda endlessly in a pathetic
attempt to gloss over yid nastiness.
Sara Salzman
"Benjamin Cramer" <onlyth...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
> "Tilly" <fem...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fdkb5v$oa5$1...@aioe.org...
> > Benjamin Cramer wrote:
> > :: Waldo, you're a gem. You've cooked this clot's goose in one easy
> > :: step. Well done, I say. I dips me lid to you.
> > ::
> >
> >
> > Isn't it interesting that Cramer now counts white supremacists, racists
> > and revisionists amongst his new best friends.
>
> And how do you arrive at this erroneous conclusion, twatty?
> >
> > It's even more interesting given that Cramer works in counter-terrorism
> > and has a Jewish paymaster.
>
> I have occasional jewish paymesters, silly old thing.
"paymesters"?
> >
> > The silly white supremacists, racists and revisionists are too stupid to
> > realise they have a mole in their midst.
>
> Really. More yid "facts" from the silly little twat.
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
--
Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
-Lenny Bruce
Richard Warren
Take a look at what appeared today on Scrapbookpages.com:
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/WesternGermany/SirHartleyShawcross.html
Have the deniers declared this a day of mourning?
Lisa Lisa
Fine. Then I'll find out whose it is, and contact the Times.
Lisa
Tilly
:: "Tilly" <fem...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote in message
No Creamer, the post was made by myboyfrioend who really does work in
counter-terrorism.
He knows more about you than you appear to know about yourself.
Benjamin Cramer
Hahahahahahahah. Yeah! Right!
What side is he on, twatty?
Benjamin Cramer
Do what you like, yid poofess.
Whilst you're at it, ask them why the original article was "edited" to
within an inch of its life. Ask them who put them up to that.
Off you go now. You've whining to engage in.
Tilly
He thinks you are are a lying, loathesome person .
Does that answer your question?
Benjamin Cramer
In that case, he hasn't got a fucking clue who I am.
Doesn't answer the question at all. What side is he on?
Tilly
:: He thinks you are are a lying, loathesome person .
:: Does that answer your question?
He thinks you purposely give the impression of being a lying loathesome
person.
Benjamin Cramer
Really? Isn't that interesting. Do tell more.
Sara Salzman
"Richard Warren" <rwa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Of course not. Facts don't interest deniers. They'll continue to insist
that Shawcross said it and "da Joos" are lying about it.
If Shawcross came back from the dead and PERSONALLY informed them that
it's a forgery, they STILL would simply whine that "da Joos" got to him.
Sara
Benjamin Cramer
"Sara Salzman" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:catamont-FB3D6E...@news-40.giganews.com...
No, but it's a brilliant example of the depths you arseholes will go to in
order you protect your goddamned Holocaust(tm) myth.
Congratulations must go to the industry. You're fucking masters at deceit,
double talk and treachery.
Well done, fat slag. You and your crowd should be right pleased.
Richard Warren
"Sara Salzman" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:catamont-FB3D6E...@news-40.giganews.com...
Precisely. That's why deniers are sooooooooooooooooo stupid.
ZULU
> On Sep 27, 7:44 pm, "Richard Warren" <rwar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>><waldeau...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>news:1190917888.2...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Sep 27, 11:11 am, "Richard Warren" <rich18...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Lisa Lisa" <mando...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>
>>>>news:1190915276.9...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>>On Sep 26, 11:59 pm, "Benjamin Cramer" <onlythetr...@alltimes.yep>
>>>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>><snip>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>Read the entire article, you cloth-eared bint. With open eyes,
>>>>>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>will
>>>>>>>>>>please.-
>>
>>>>>>>>>So where's the Holocaust denial?
>>
>>>>>>>>Was there meant to be any Holocaust denial, troughlicker?-
>>
>>>>>>>Then why did you quote him, Aussie faggot? You must have been trying
>>>>>>>to make a point.
>>
>>>>>>I believe I did.
>>
>>>>>No, you didn't. You took his speech out of context and tried to make
>>>>>him into a Holocaust denier, which, of course, he wasn't.
>>
>>>>>In 1940, Hitler had wanted an alliance with Britain so he could finish
>>>>>off "Jewish Bolshevik" Russia without interference, but Churchill had
>>>>>just been elected and all he got was the cold shoulder. Hitler's
>>>>>offer to Britain was: "You can have your Empire; just give us the
>>>>>Continent. Ally yourselves with us. Be on the winning side." The
>>>>>British reply was: "No deal, gangster."
>>
>>>>>Shawcross, in 1984, thought that Britain should have taken the deal
>>>>>and allied itself with Nazi Germany. Perhaps Shawcross thought that
>>>>>if Britain had been a Nazi ally, it would have preserved the Empire.
>>>>>Perhaps he was simply switching political loyalties to cement his ties
>>>>>to business. Or perhaps both reasons were true. But then again,
>>>>>Shawcross isn't important. He's just a latter-day John Dos Passos---
>>>>>switching allegiances so he can be on the winning side.
>>
>>>>>Shawcross was an idiot, but no Holocaust denier. Too bad for you and
>>>>>all the other idiots who take his words out of context and post them
>>>>>on neo-Nazi websites. I do believe it's time for you to be carried
>>>>>out to sea in a rip current, to get eaten by a shark.
>>
>>>>>Lisa
>>
>>>>Sorry but, once again, Shawcross made no such speech - not in Stourbridge
>>>>or
>>>>any other place, not in 1984 or any other year.
>>
>>>And you base this statement on what, Warrenski? That you don't like
>>>what was said? That you don't like the websites where the text can be
>>>found?
>>
>>>Substantiate your allegation.
>>
>>>**
>>
>>>Waldo
>>
>>>Observer at Large
>>
>>Call the AP like I did.
>
>
> Really Mr. Warren? What number did you call? What was the department,
> and who was the exact person that you spoke with?
>
>
>>They reported no such speech on the date cited or
>>any other date. Check the Shawcross memoirs, like I did.
>
>
> Provide us a link, or a library catalog reference.
>
>
>>No such speech is
>>mentioned. Even David Irving,, on his website in his eulogy to Shawcross,
>>doesn't mention it. Or don't you think Irving would miss an opportunity to
>>exploit it? Sorry to burst your balloon, Wally. But take heart, you can
>>still go on shilling for your fuehrer. You'll just have to do it without
>>Sir Hartley's approval.
>
>
> You neglected to mention that you (or one of your Semitist cohorts)
> ALSO contacted scrapbookpages.com, and either convinced or coerced
> them to REMOVE the Shawcross text that I dug up and quoted earlier -
> POOF- GONE like the six million "missing Jews".
>
> Now I suppose you think you can crow that "no such text exists" on
> Scrapbookpages.com. and presume to call me a liar, right Warren?
>
> Have you good connections at Google? Well you'd better get dialing
> fast, because below are links to scrapbookpages site AFTER you and/or
> your meddling Semitist cohorts coercced them into deleting the text,
> AND google's CACHED version, which shows the text INTACT.
>
> At the bottom of the modified page is a LIE, stating that the page was
> last updated on January 10, 2007. It was in fact updated yesterday or
> today - September 27, 2007.
>
> Here's the Jew-meddled link:
>
> http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/HungarianJews2.html
>
> And here's the link to the google cache, with the Shawcross text
> intact:
>
> http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:lvpC5bo9YbYJ:www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/
History/Articles/HungarianJews2.html+Shawcross+site:scrapbookpages.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&client=firefox-a
>
> Here's a tinyurl link of the above
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2qd4wk
You are right, the Wayback machine allows you to go back easily
to the page last updated on January 10, 2007 on which the extract cabn bee seen
"Forty years later, Sir Hartley Shawcross, the British chief prosecutor at the
Nuremberg International Military Tribunal, said the following in a speech which
he made in Stourbridge England on March 16, 1984, as quoted in an Associated
Press story: .... "
The wayback machine http://web.archive.org/ is very useful to show the world the
tricky "smoked" pictures at Wiesenthal site.
Wiesenthal, that weasel, didn't hesitate in doctoring pictures on his site in
order to make the holohoax more "credible".
The internet archive is there to prove the forgery.
Caption for Oct 06, 1999 The smoke is on the picture.
Hungarian arrivals after the "Selektion" at Auschwitz
<< As these prisoners were being processed for slave labor, many of their
friends and families were being gassed and burned in the ovens in the
crematoria. The smoke can be seen in the background.>>
http://web.archive.org/web/19991006072516/http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg22/pg0/pg22035.html
Caption for Feb 19, 2002 The smoke has disappeared.
<< As these prisoners were being processed for slave labor, many of their
friends and families were being gassed and burned in the ovens in the crematoria.>>
http://web.archive.org/web/20020219035541/http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg22/pg0/pg22035.html
Apr 02, 2003 The photo has disappeared
Hungarian arrivals after the "Selektion" at Auschwitz
Photo Not Available.
All the picture's chronology on Wiesenthal's site
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg22/pg0/pg22035.html
With such internet archive documentation, the holoks will have some issue to
prove their good faith when all the gas chambers hoax will be debunked.
Neil Harrington
<walde...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190953411....@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> Here's a tinyurl link of the above
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2qd4wk
>
> That was a really neat trick, Mr. Warren. Pity you couldn't pull it
> off without getting caught.
Now this is interesting. Clicking on either of those last two links produces
this message first:
__________________
WARNING! [?]
This site is rated potentially unsafe by TrustWatch!
You have been redirected to this page as a service of Comcast
High-Speed Internet, which includes the Comcast Toolbar. TrustWatch, a
critically acclaimed, industry-leading website verification service, has
restricted access to the site 209.85.165.104 for your protection. Accessing
this site could put you at risk for identity theft or other financial fraud.
What would you like to do?
____________________
And then the user is given the option of continuing or not. I have never
before seen such a message when clicking on any link, and I've been using
Comcast cable for Internet access for I think about two years. I never heard
of TrustWatch before either.
The site www.scrapbookpages.com itself produces no such message. So it
appears that someone is going to considerable lengths in trying to prevent
users from accessing this unaltered information. I'm confident of my own
security in terms of any threat of "identity theft or other financial fraud"
but I imagine that scare message would turn many users away.
Neil
Richard Warren
"Neil Harrington" <n...@home.today> wrote in message
news:QYmdne_zbdGCPGPb...@comcast.com...
Right, genius. Like they can't read the forgery at the other 219 sites that
still have it. Especially since you're the only person so far who's
reported this. I get no such message clicking on those links.
>
>
>
Gord McFee
"Richard Warren" <rwa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> Take a look at what appeared today on Scrapbookpages.com:
>
> http://www.scrapbookpages.com/WesternGermany/SirHartleyShawcross.html
>
> Have the deniers declared this a day of mourning?
The poor babies.