Viktor Frankl - Another Bullshit Survivor Story
B.H. Cramer
and emblematic Auschwitz survivor, greatly embroidered on his meager time at
Auschwitz. This news casts a shadow over the veracity of Frankl's famous
memoir, Man's Search for Meaning. Of even more interest, however, is a
question that arises when considering the Auschwitz State Museum's records
regarding Frankl's time at Birkenau: Was Viktor Frankl gassed at Auschwitz?
Few men who emerged from the camps can match the late Viktor Frankl for
acclaim. A psychiatrist from Vienna who died in 1997, Frankl gained
international renown for the theories of mental health he expounded through
his psychiatric school, logotherapy. Inextricably bound up with Frankl's
fame, teachings, and moral authority was his experience of the German
concentration camps, above all Auschwitz, as described in Man's Search for
Meaning (U.S., 1959) a worldwide bestseller that has been ranked as one of
the ten most influential books of the twentieth century by the Library of
Congress.
In his reminiscence, Frankl recounted his stay at Auschwitz as if it had
lasted an eternity. Now comes Timothy Pytell, adjunct professor of history
at the Cooper Union in New York City, to inform us that, based on his
research for an intellectual biography of Frankl, the celebrated survivor
spent at most three days at Auschwitz, while in transit from Theresienstadt
in Bohemia to a subcamp of Dachau in October 1944. As Pytell observes, a
reader of Man's Search for Meaning would "be stunned to discover that Frankl
spent only a few days in Auschwitz." In the book, Frankl devotes some thirty
pages to Auschwitz. Besides recording his experiences on arrival (shaving,
showering, delousing, etc.), Frankl makes observations about the lot of
inmates there that strongly imply that, at the very least, he spent months,
not days, at the camp. ("We had to wear the same shirts for half a year,
until they had lost all appearance of being shirts.") As Pytell writes of
Frankl's depiction of his stay at Auschwitz: "But if truth be told, Frankl's
rendition is contradictory and profoundly deceptive."
Pytell notes that Frankl was transferred from Theresienstadt on October 19,
1944, on a train that carried 1500 persons to Auschwitz, and that the
prisoner's log of the Dachau sub-camp Kaufering III records Frankl's arrival
on October 25, 1944. Indeed, Frankl himself told the American evangelist
Robert Schuller, in an interview published in Schuller's magazine
Possibilities (March-April 1991): "I was in Auschwitz only three or four
days ... I was sent to a barrack and we were all transported to a camp in
Bavaria." Thus the credibility of yet another star survivor has been tested
and found wanting. Like the testimony of Miklos Nyiszli, Filip Müller,
Rudolf Vrba, Mel Mermelstein, and a host of other eyewitness oracles, Viktor
Frankl's Auschwitz stories are now an embarrassment to the Holocaust
industry, rather than an indictment of the Germans.
There's more, however. While Pytell wasn't up to examining the implications
of Frankl's stay at Auschwitz for the reliability of the camp's official
history, records compiled by exterminationist researcher of Theresienstadt
H. G. Adler and by the Auschwitz State Museum make clear that if Frankl
arrived at Auschwitz on October 20, 1944, he must have left Theresienstadt
on a train with 1,500 passengers, designated "Es." The English-language
edition of the supposedly authoritative Auschwitz Chronicle, 1939-45 (editor
Danuta Czech, London: I.B.Tauris, 1990), based on material from the
Auschwitz State Museum, reports of that train:
October 20
1,500 Jewish men, women, and children are sent in an RSHA transport from
the ghetto in Theresienstadt. After the selection, 169 women are admitted to
the transit camp and 173 men as prisoners to the camp. The men receive Nos.
B-13307-B-13479. The remaining 1,158 people are killed in the gas chamber of
Crematorium III.
Now, while Viktor Frankl reports at length in his chatty memoir about his
reception at Auschwitz (including the obligatory brush with Dr. Mengele), he
says not a word about being registered, assigned a number, tattooed with
that number, or transferred to the Auschwitz Stammlager, the permanent
camp). Thus one can conclude that he was not admitted as a prisoner to the
camp. And the Chronicle's entry speaks of no surviving, non-registered
persons from that shipment. Ergo, according to the Auschwitz Chronicle, and
the records on which it claims to be based, Viktor Frankl must have gassed
nearly fifty-three years before his widely announced death in September
1997. Who was it, then, who was sent out of Auschwitz a few days later, and
went on to write all those books?
As Robert Faurisson, Carlo Mattogno, Enrique Aynat Eknes, Jürgen Graf, and
other revisionist researchers have made plain, there is a way out of this
seeming quandary. The survival of Frankl, like the survival of sundry other
persons counted dead by the record keepers at the Auschwitz State Museum --
most notably French and Euro-politician Simone Veil -- was due, not to some
miraculous intervention, but to the sloppy and dishonest research of the
Auschwitz authorities. Despite recent revisions in the Chronicle that allow
for the survival of some non-registered inmates, the widely consulted
reference continues to consign, more or less automatically, arrivals not
officially assigned to the Auschwitz camp to the gas chambers.
No doubt if the Auschwitz records were open to a thorough revisionist
combing, we would learn of many more survivors who are counted, officially,
as gassed. Needless to say, such life-affirming findings are entirely
unwelcome to the Holocaust industrialists, whether at the Auschwitz State
Museum, or the Red Cross's international tracing center at Arolsen, Germany,
or at Yad Vashem in Israel. And -- who knows? -- stating that Viktor Frankl
wasn't gassed might earn one a fine, or a prison sentence, in more than one
"democracy."
The Endeavor
> In his reminiscence, Frankl recounted his stay at Auschwitz as if it had
> lasted an eternity. Now comes Timothy Pytell, adjunct professor of history
> at the Cooper Union in New York City, to inform us that, based on his
> research for an intellectual biography of Frankl, the celebrated survivor
> spent at most three days at Auschwitz, while in transit from Theresienstadt
> in Bohemia to a subcamp of Dachau in October 1944.
How does that, B.H. Cramer help your case? Timothy Pytell saids the
holocaust happened.
--
"The real purpose of holocaust revisionism is to make
National Socialism an acceptable political alternative again."
B.H. Cramer
"The Endeavor" <The_En...@Noaddress.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:47:03 +1000, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>
>> In his reminiscence, Frankl recounted his stay at Auschwitz as if it had
>> lasted an eternity. Now comes Timothy Pytell, adjunct professor of
>> history
>> at the Cooper Union in New York City, to inform us that, based on his
>> research for an intellectual biography of Frankl, the celebrated survivor
>> spent at most three days at Auschwitz, while in transit from
>> Theresienstadt
>> in Bohemia to a subcamp of Dachau in October 1944.
>
>
> How does that, B.H. Cramer help your case? Timothy Pytell saids the
> holocaust happened.
I don't really give a shit for what pytell said. The topic posted had
nothing to do with whether the Holocaust(tm) is a reality or not. The post
was about another bunch of lies from another professional survivor.
A recent article has revealed that Viktor Frankl, the famous psychiatrist
and emblematic Auschwitz survivor, greatly embroidered on his meager time at
Auschwitz. This news casts a shadow over the veracity of Frankl's famous
memoir, Man's Search for Meaning. Of even more interest, however, is a
question that arises when considering the Auschwitz State Museum's records
regarding Frankl's time at Birkenau: Was Viktor Frankl gassed at Auschwitz?
Few men who emerged from the camps can match the late Viktor Frankl for
acclaim. A psychiatrist from Vienna who died in 1997, Frankl gained
international renown for the theories of mental health he expounded through
his psychiatric school, logotherapy. Inextricably bound up with Frankl's
fame, teachings, and moral authority was his experience of the German
concentration camps, above all Auschwitz, as described in Man's Search for
Meaning (U.S., 1959) a worldwide bestseller that has been ranked as one of
the ten most influential books of the twentieth century by the Library of
Congress.
In his reminiscence, Frankl recounted his stay at Auschwitz as if it had
lasted an eternity. Now comes Timothy Pytell, adjunct professor of history
at the Cooper Union in New York City, to inform us that, based on his
research for an intellectual biography of Frankl, the celebrated survivor
spent at most three days at Auschwitz, while in transit from Theresienstadt
Zulu
> "The Endeavor" <The_Endea...@Noaddress.com> wrote in message
>
> news:rHiGl.57337$eg6....@newsfe18.ams2...
>
> > On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:47:03 +1000, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>
> >> In his reminiscence, Frankl recounted his stay at Auschwitz as if it had
> >> lasted an eternity. Now comes Timothy Pytell, adjunct professor of
> >> history
> >> at the Cooper Union in New York City, to inform us that, based on his
> >> research for an intellectual biography of Frankl, the celebrated survivor
> >> spent at most three days at Auschwitz, while in transit from
> >> Theresienstadt
> >> in Bohemia to a subcamp of Dachau in October 1944.
>
> > How does that, B.H. Cramer help your case? Timothy Pytell saids the
> > holocaust happened.
>
> I don't really give a shit for what pytell said. The topic posted had
> nothing to do with whether the Holocaust(tm) is a reality or not. The post
> was about another bunch of lies from another professional survivor.
Frankl is another so called "not-registered-then-gassed-upon.arrival-
at-Auschwitz" who have survived.
Until when those moronic holoks will inflict us such bullshited
sentence?
Do you have some extracts of the Frankl's book on Auschwitz?
Just to check what did he actually write about "gas chambers" and
other usual tales from that camp.
Boed...@isp.com
"With all these survivors it's amazing that Hitler managed to kill so
many jews".
jewish woman on T.V.
RJ11
B.H. Cramer <ben_a...@beltingyids.com> wrote:
(snip)
Two of the Birkenau crematoriums:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/krema3.shtml
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/krema4.shtml
A document which mentions a 'gassing cellar' in an Auschwitz-Birkenau
crematorium:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Vergasungkeller.shtml
A document requesting cyanide gas detectors for an Auschwitz-Birkenau crematorium:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Gas-Detector.shtml
Cremation furnaces:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/furnaces.shtml
A report by SS experts, estimating the cremation capacity in Auschwitz-
Birkenau at 4,756 corpses in 24 hours:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/furnace-capacity.shtml
SS labor deployment report, listing 870 stokers in the Auschwitz-
Birkenau crematoriums:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/aug2-3.shtml
A study of the cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas chambers:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
RJ.
Truthseeker
German farmer once went to Jew to borrow money. When the farmer did sign the
promissory note the Jews said , Gorge you make such beautiful zeros why
don't you add some more to it.
Kurt Knoll.
Kurt Knoll.
<Boed...@isp.com> wrote in message
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Doc Tony
> Its like an insurance fraud thy always claimed more the they did have. A
> German farmer once went to Jew to borrow money. When the farmer did sign the
> promissory note the Jews said , Gorge you make such beautiful zeros why
> don't you add some more to it.
> Kurt Knoll.
>
Ta-dum[b]! Alte Puppe®, speakng of the 'German farmer', or , indeed,
German farmers plural, hey, tell the Heimat yarn about the 'Russian
Commissar' [sic] and what he allegedly did, and 'you' allegedly
witnessed [!] on the outskirts of Nürnberg, when the German farmer(s)
refused to supply the Russian Commissar with "head-cheese" ! Now, 'that'
was a good one! Na' und ?
Doc Tony
Der Stadt Darmstadt
;-)
I'll Always Be 18/04/09
<4aae5f9d-1de9-454a-b91c-84f0497c1f72@k1
9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
"Boed...@isp.com" <Boed...@isp.com>
wrote:
It's not so amazing...the germans are
good at killing innocent civilians.
I'll Always Be 18/04/09
<MzqGl.24153$PH1.24020@edtnps82>,
"Truthseeker" <kur...@citywest.ca>
wrote:
> Its like an insurance fraud thy always claimed more the they did have.
It's like an insurance fraud...the
knolls claim that german merchant ships
were harassed by the british prior to
WW2, yet the knolls cannot provide any
proof. The knolls insist that people
were wearing shoes made of plastic
during WW2, yet the knolls cannot
provide any proof.
> A German farmer once went to Jew to borrow money. When the farmer did sign the
> promissory note the Jews said , Gorge you make such beautiful zeros why
> don't you add some more to it.
You knew a german that could sign his
name?
Boed...@isp.com
<aussies_s...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <4aae5f9d-1de9-454a-b91c-84f0497c1f72@k1
> 9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Perhaps they learned from the Bolshevik Revolution and that jew
Trotsky,
leader of The Red Army. 30 million dead in *that* jew financed war.
'He stuck his bayonet into the faces of the children before shooting
them".
Witness of the murders of The Tsar, his wife and 5 children by the jew
Kurovsky.
Then the vile Kurovsky killed their little pet spaniel.
"jews are cruel to animals".
Can't remember who said that, but it was a statement of fact.
"Communism is jewish"
Henry Ford
Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Jim F.
"B.H. Cramer" <ben_a...@beltingyids.com> wrote in message
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>
> "The Endeavor" <The_En...@Noaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:rHiGl.57337$eg6....@newsfe18.ams2...
>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:47:03 +1000, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>>
>>> In his reminiscence, Frankl recounted his stay at Auschwitz as if it had
>>> lasted an eternity. Now comes Timothy Pytell, adjunct professor of
>>> history
>>> at the Cooper Union in New York City, to inform us that, based on his
>>> research for an intellectual biography of Frankl, the celebrated
>>> survivor
>>> spent at most three days at Auschwitz, while in transit from
>>> Theresienstadt
>>> in Bohemia to a subcamp of Dachau in October 1944.
>>
>>
>> How does that, B.H. Cramer help your case? Timothy Pytell saids the
>> holocaust happened.
>
> I don't really give a shit for what pytell said. The topic posted had
> nothing to do with whether the Holocaust(tm) is a reality or not. The post
> was about another bunch of lies from another professional survivor.
>
Well anyone who IS interested in what Pytell has to say about Frankl
can read online his article, "Redeeming the Unredeemable: Auschwitz and
Man's Search for Meaning," (which originally appear in
Holocaust and Genocide Studies 17.1 (2003) 89-113), at:
http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/holocaust_and_genocide_studies/v017/17.1pytell.html
Jim F.
Truthseeker
Siberia. The only difference I can see her is the Germans ant allowed to
make it public in the German news papers.
Kurt Knoll.
"I'll Always Be 18/04/09" <aussie...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Truthseeker
"I'll Always Be 18/04/09" <aussie...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> In article
> <MzqGl.24153$PH1.24020@edtnps82>,
> "Truthseeker" <kur...@citywest.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Its like an insurance fraud thy always claimed more the they did have.
>
> It's like an insurance fraud...the
> knolls claim that german merchant ships
Ask the German why they are not allowed to print it in the German news
papers. And the also not allowed to re print what was written in the German
news papers from 1918 till 1945.
Kurt Knoll.
Zulu
Norman Finkelstein counts what his mother used to say when seing
survivors at the TV.
"With so many survivors, who did Hitler actually kill?"
Zulu
> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:47:03 +1000, B.H. Cramer wrote:
> > In his reminiscence, Frankl recounted his stay at Auschwitz as if it had
> > lasted an eternity. Now comes Timothy Pytell, adjunct professor of history
> > at the Cooper Union in New York City, to inform us that, based on his
> > research for an intellectual biography of Frankl, the celebrated survivor
> > spent at most three days at Auschwitz, while in transit from Theresienstadt
> > in Bohemia to a subcamp of Dachau in October 1944.
>
> How does that, B.H. Cramer help your case? Timothy Pytell saids the
> holocaust happened.
Which kind of "holokost"?
> --
> "The real purpose of holocaust revisionism is to make
> National Socialism an acceptable political alternative again."
Of course, baby, if that could make you sleep better.
What are you doing actually at that site?
Where are the documents I asked to you verify?
Don't you have access to all the holkostic documentation?
B.H. Cramer
"Zulu" <zu...@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
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Unfortunately I don't at the moment. I have only received snippets contained
in Stephen Covey's "7 Habits..." nonsense.
Covey has created an entire empire on Frankl's thoughts and postulations.
Thoughts and postulations all based on bullshit and exaggeration.
Is it any wonder Covey's "7 Habits..." is seen by many as being nothing more
than evangelical, religious bullshit.
B.H. Cramer
"Jim F." <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Thank you. I'll take a look a little later in the day.
>
>
>
Zulu
> "B.H. Cramer" <ben_alw...@beltingyids.com> wrote in message
>
> news:vM-dnTBoDMLuIHTU...@giganews.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "The Endeavor" <The_Endea...@Noaddress.com> wrote in message
> >news:rHiGl.57337$eg6....@newsfe18.ams2...
> >> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:47:03 +1000, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>
> >>> In his reminiscence, Frankl recounted his stay at Auschwitz as if it had
> >>> lasted an eternity. Now comes Timothy Pytell, adjunct professor of
> >>> history
> >>> at the Cooper Union in New York City, to inform us that, based on his
> >>> research for an intellectual biography of Frankl, the celebrated
> >>> survivor
> >>> spent at most three days at Auschwitz, while in transit from
> >>> Theresienstadt
> >>> in Bohemia to a subcamp of Dachau in October 1944.
>
> >> How does that, B.H. Cramer help your case? Timothy Pytell saids the
> >> holocaust happened.
>
> > I don't really give a shit for what pytell said. The topic posted had
> > nothing to do with whether the Holocaust(tm) is a reality or not. The post
> > was about another bunch of lies from another professional survivor.
>
> Well anyone who IS interested in what Pytell has to say about Frankl
> can read online his article, "Redeeming the Unredeemable: Auschwitz and
> Man's Search for Meaning," (which originally appear in
>
> Jim F.
Thanks,
"Viktor Frankl's fame stems from his widely read Holocaust testimony,
Man's Search for Meaning (1962), ranked by the Library of Congress as
"one of the ten most influential books in America." 3 Man's Search for
Meaning has sold more than four million copies in the English-language
version alone, has been translated into twenty languages (including
Chinese and Japanese), and has sold more than ten million copies
worldwide. Born in Vienna in 1905, Frankl was the founder of a school
of psychotherapy known as logotherapy, an existential form of analysis
he described as "therapy through meaning." 4
LOL, like the Wiesel (the LIAR) book "Night", one more important
masterpiece which supports the hoax propaganda is proved to be written
by another impostor.
"Frankl's activities at Theresienstadt were similar to his research at
Rothschild Hospital. In both cases, the Nazis approved of his
"humanitarian" work because they did not tolerate suicide. But, as at
Rothschild Hospital, Frankl's efforts put him in a precarious position
"straddled" between the Nazis and the Jewish community. "
Of course, the nazis preferred to "gas" jews at Auschwitz, so, they
were opposed to their previous suicide at Theresienstadt.
I like that one:
< Frankl remembered being selected at Auschwitz by Joseph Mengele "to
the left for the gas chamber." But he "switched behind Mengele's back"
to the right >
Was Mengele supposed to be alone to perform those so called
"selections" of "thousands of victims on their way to the gas
chambers"?
Who believe in such inetpty?
Why did SS take the pain to transport that "selected-but-switched-and-
not-gassed-jew" through 4 different camps instead of "gassing" him for
real?
Was that a kind of camouflage for the "extermination plan"?
The issue, with most of moronic holoks, is that they loose all kind of
logic or good sense by reading or hearing any bullshit coming from
"survivors" as if those people were unable to distort the reality or
even to lie especially about the "gassing" topic.
When such kind of "survivors' testimonies" will finally be submitted
to a minimum of scrutiny before being spread around the world as
untouchable "holy words"?
Since Nuremberg, so many "eyewitnesses" have been proved to be actual
LIARS that I can't understand such ingenuity concerning their
narrations.
Elie Wiesel is the perfect example of such profitable impunished
imposture.
B.H. Cramer
I found the book contained within a torrent among other business/management
books.
[isoHunt]_Business_eBook.torrent
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I'll Always Be 19/04/09
<l7tGl.24158$PH1.22951@edtnps82>,
"Truthseeker" <kur...@citywest.ca>
wrote:
> "I'll Always Be 18/04/09" <aussie...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:aussies_suck-0B0B...@aries.weretis.net...
> > In article
> > <MzqGl.24153$PH1.24020@edtnps82>,
> > "Truthseeker" <kur...@citywest.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Its like an insurance fraud thy always claimed more the they did have.
> >
> > It's like an insurance fraud...the
> > knolls claim that german merchant ships
>
> Ask the German why they are not allowed to print it in the German news
> papers.
I'll ask you to prove that germans are
not allowed to print it in the german
newspapers.
> And the also not allowed to re print what was written in the German
> news papers from 1918 till 1945.
Prove that the germans are not allowed
to reprint what was written in the
german newspapers from 1918 til 1945
Boed...@isp.com
Yes, but the woman I saw on T.V. was not his mother. It was some
Austrian woman
on a show about the holocaust. It could have been "Shoah".
There certainly appear to be a great many survivors, Beverly Hills is
full of them.
I'll Always Be 19/04/09
<84tGl.24157$PH1.6323@edtnps82>,
"Truthseeker" <kur...@citywest.ca>
wrote:
> So did the allied. The Russians sent German woman's and young girls to
> Siberia.
This is your version...where is your
proof?
> The only difference I can see her is the Germans ant allowed to
> make it public in the German news papers.
I ask you to prove that germans are not
allowed to make it public in the german
newspapers.
I'll Always Be 19/04/09
<5M-dnUy7a5Yf7nfUnZ2dnVY3go2dnZ2d@gigane
> Zulu
>
> I found the book contained within a torrent among other business/management
> books.
>
> [isoHunt]_Business_eBook.torrent
IOW you once again demonstrate your
disdain for copyright and stole the
book...or are suggesting people should
steal the book.
I'll Always Be 19/04/09
<f973af2a-c0c5-4a17-b422-6b145cf3cc76@w3
5g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
"Boed...@isp.com" <Boed...@isp.com>
wrote:
Or perhaps, because they are a
bloodthirsty people they learned it
during the 30 year war or the 100 year
war.
> 30 million dead in *that* jew financed war.
This is your version...where is your
proof?
>
> 'He stuck his bayonet into the faces of the children before shooting
> them".
>
> Witness of the murders of The Tsar, his wife and 5 children by the jew
> Kurovsky.
So you would prefer that the tyrant Tsar
of Russia live and continue to kill
innocent peasants?
>
> Then the vile Kurovsky killed their little pet spaniel.
>
> "jews are cruel to animals".
>
> Can't remember who said that, but it was a statement of fact.
Here is another statement of fact: The
vast bulk of pedophiles are christians.
>
> "Communism is jewish"
> Henry Ford
I'm still waiting for that list of
Hungarian Jews living in Beverly Hills,
you weren't lying, were you?
I'm still waiting for you to post a
picture of yourself...you aren't afraid
to do that, are you?
B.H. Cramer
<Boed...@isp.com> wrote in message
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Too right. More of 'em every year. A growth industry already.
I'll Always Be 19/04/09
<442fff82-212a-4142-9cc5-31bb0bb7511e@p6
g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
"Boed...@isp.com" <Boed...@isp.com>
wrote:
Where did he say the woman was his
mother? Did you change your meds again?
> on a show about the holocaust. It could have been "Shoah".
>
> There certainly appear to be a great many survivors, Beverly Hills is
> full of them.
But you can't provide a list of the
Hungarian ones...why is that?
RJ11
Zulu <zu...@volcanomail.com> wrote:
(snip)
http://www.holocaust-history.org/works/jaeger-report/htm/intro000.htm
RJ.
ZuLu
> Zulu
>
> I found the book contained within a torrent among other
> business/management books.
>
> [isoHunt]_Business_eBook.torrent
I found it on eMUle too in pdf format. I'll have a look on it.
http://minilien.com/?ctZFfkwcni
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ZuLu
The story won't end, now, they try to make the statute of "survivor" hereditary in
order to pass the compensations to the descendants.
It is called the "transgenerational transmission of Holocaust trauma" and is
potentially very profitable especially if new generations of German agree to pay for.
The 'Second Generation'
Of Holocaust Survivors
By Frank Furedi Spiked-Online.com
1-30-2
From the Jewish Lesbian Daughters of Holocaust Survivors to Children of the
Holocaust Anonymous, children whose parents died in the Holocaust are lining up to
claim the status of Holocaust victims.
There is a growing tendency to interpret victimisation as a kind of disease that can
be handed down from generation to generation.
What is it about today's society that makes people so keen to get a piece of their
parents' trauma?
In our therapeutic culture, the politics of memory is on the rise. On an individual
level, and now across societies, past experiences are continually reinterpreted.
,,,
http://www.rense.com/general19/sec.htm
Family approach with grandchildren of Holocaust survivors.
Fossion P, Rejas MC, Servais L, Pelc I, Hirsch S.
University Hospital Brugmann, 4, Pl. Van Gehuchten, 1020 Brussels, Belgium.
Although the transgenerational transmission of Holocaust trauma is now well
documented, this subject remains a source of considerable controversy. Moreover, the
literature regarding the grandchildren of Holocaust survivors (GHSs, the third
generation) is much sparser. We present here several clinical observations, that we
made during therapy sessions with certain families of Holocaust survivors (HSs).
These families consulted with us because of the symptoms presented by the GHSs as
adolescents. These families were characterized by some specific patterns in their
relationships that led us to consider that the symptoms of the third generation might
be a consequence of the transgenerational transmission of Holocaust trauma. We also
describe the clinical strategy we developed to assist these families of HSs. This
strategy consisted of an attempt to reinforce the relationships between GHSs and
their grandparents, the Holocaust survivors.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14735877
Long-term effects of trauma: psychosocial functioning of the second and third
generation of Holocaust survivors.
Scharf M.
University of Haifa, Haifa, Israel. sch...@construct.haifa.ac.il
The long-term effects of extreme war-related trauma on the second and the third
generation of Holocaust survivors (HS) were examined in 88 middle-class families.
Differences in functioning between adult offspring of HS (HSO) and a comparison
group, as well as the psychosocial functioning of adolescent grandchildren of HS,
were studied. Degree of presence of Holocaust in the family was examined in families
in which both parents were HSO, either mother or father was HSO, and neither parent
was HSO. Mothers' Holocaust background was associated with higher levels of
psychological distress and less positive parenting representations. In line with
synergic (multiplicative) models of risk, adolescents in families where both parents
were HSO perceived their mothers as less accepting and less encouraging independence,
and reported less positive self-perceptions than their counterparts. They also
perceived their fathers as less accepting and less encouraging independence, showed
higher levels of ambivalent attachment style, and according to their peers,
demonstrated poorer adjustment during military basic training than their fellow
recruits from the one-parent HSO group. Parents and adolescents in the one-parent HSO
group functioned similarly to others with no Holocaust background. Parenting
variables mediated the association across generations between degree of Holocaust
experience in the family of origin of the parents and ambivalent attachment style and
self-perception of the adolescents. It is recommended that researchers and clinicians
develop awareness of the possible traces of trauma in the second and the third
generation despite their sound functioning in their daily lives.
ZuLu
> In article <trCdnbqK7tho6nTU...@giganews.com>,
> B.H. Cramer <ben_a...@beltingyids.com> wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
> Two of the Birkenau crematoriums:
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/krema3.shtml
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/krema4.shtml
>
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/furnaces.shtml
>
> A report by SS experts, estimating the cremation capacity in Auschwitz-
> Birkenau at 4,756 corpses in 24 hours:
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/furnace-capacity.shtml
The crematory ovens were not equipments specifically designed to Auschwitz-Birkenau.
In fact, since 1942 many crematory ovens (based on civilian design) were installed at
all main camps to satisfy the drastic sanitary measures required to fight epidemics
like typhus by means of the mandatory cremation of cadavers.
Thus, ovens are not the indication of a supposed criminal intention as holoks want us
to know. There were required together with other sanitary installations for effects'
treatment (delousing chambers, disinfection equipment) and for hygiene like shower
rooms and latrines.
A tour to visit the crematory ovens installed at the crematorium of several nazi camps
Terezín Camp-Ghetto Crematorium
http://www.rudyfoto.com/hol/ter-oven.html
Dachau Old Crematorium
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/KZDachau/CrematoriaArea/OldCrematorium.html
Dachau New Crematorium
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/KZDachau/CrematoriaAre/NewCrematorium04.html
Sachsenhausen-Oranienburg Crematorium
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Sachsenhausen/ConcentrationCamp/Ovens.html
Buchenwald Crematorium
The Buchenwald crematorium was equipped with brick ovens made by the Topf & Sons
company in nearby Erfurt. This company also made the ovens which were installed in
Auschwitz-Birkenau in June 1943.
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Buchenwald/Crematorium.html
http://www.rudyfoto.com/hol/bu-oven.html
Mauthausen Camp Crematorium
http://www.rudyfoto.com/hol/mau-oven.html
Majdanek Camp Crematorium
http://www.rudyfoto.com/hol/maj-oven.html
Bergen Belsen unique muffle.
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/BergenBelsen/OldPhotos2.html
Mittelbau-Dora Camp Crematorium
http://www.rudyfoto.com/hol/md-oven.html
Gross-Rosen Crematorium Oven
http://www.rudyfoto.com/hol/gr-oven.html
Natzweiler-Struthof Crematorium
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Natzweiler/Tour/Crematorium.html
http://www.rudyfoto.com/hol/stu-oven.html
Ravensbrück Camp Crematorium
http://fcit.usf.edu/Holocaust/GALL33R/rava19.htm
http://fcit.usf.edu/Holocaust/GALL33R/rav16.htm
http://www.rudyfoto.com/hol/ra-oven2.html
http://www.rudyfoto.com/hol/ra-oven.html
Flossenbürg Crematorium
http://www.rudyfoto.com/hol/flo-oven.html
How did nazis determine the number of muffles to be installed at their camps?
A mere observation of all the installations of cremation realized after 1942
indicates that they applied a standard ratio of 1 muffle per 4000-5000 inmates at
each main camp.
Here is the map of the installations stated by Topf, a manufacturer of ovens
http://www.topfundsoehne.de/images/imghi_053_karte.jpg
Calculations
Sachsenhausen-Oranienburg:
Population planned 33000 inmates
Number of muffles installed: 2x2 + 1+1+1+1 muffles = 8 (Manufacturer Kori)
Cremation ratio observed: 1 muffle per 4125 inmates
Dachau :
Population planed: about 30,000 inmates
Number of muffles installed: 2x2 + 1 + 1 = 6 (Manufacturer Topf & Shoene)
Cremation ratio observed: 1 muffle per 5,000 inmates
Buchenwald: 9,500 inmates in 1942, 37,319 end 43
Population planned: 37,319 inmates (end 43)
Number of muffles installed: 2x3 + 1x2 + 1 = 9 (Manufacturer Topf & Shoene)
Cremation ratio observed: 1 muffle per 4,145 inmates
Gusen
Population observed: 9,100 inmates (1943)
Number of muffles installed: 1x2 = 2 (Manufacturer Topf & Shoene)
Cremation ratio observed: 1 muffle per 4,550 inmates
Mauthausen
Population planed: 19,800 inmates (1943)
Number of muffles installed: 1 + 2x2 = 5 (Manufacturer Topf & Topf & Shoene)[*]
Cremation ratio observed: 1 muffle per 3,960 inmates
Auschwitz-Birkenau
Population planned: 230,000 inmates (mid 42)(not included more than 40 sub-camps)**
Number of muffles installed: 2[5x3] + 2[4x2] = 46 (Manufacturer Topf & Soehne)
Cremation ratio planed: 1 muffle per 5,000 inmates
[*] To Mauthausen I have no precise data concerning the nominal population before the
arrival of many prisoners from other camps in 1945.
The low cremation ratio could be explained by the installation of the last 2 muffles
oven corresponding to an increased population to a number greater than 19,800 that I
don't know.
The Commandant of Mauthausen, Franz Ziereis, said that there were never more than
19,800 prisoners in the main camp at any one time.
[**] Finally, the camp's population never reached that number. As consequence, the
numerous Mexico's barracks planed to the third step of amplification weren't
completely achieved.
Te average number of inmates observed was likely about 67,000 inmates and the actual
activity of the ovens corresponded to the nominal operation of 14 muffles if we
observe the actual coke's delivery at the Kremas during the same period.
Is it a mere coincidence if the ratio applied to a population of 67,000 inmates would
have conduced to the installation of 14 muffles by applying the same cremation ratio
of 1 muffle per 5000 inmates?
<quote Pressac>
..Any attempt to deny that Krematorium II was shut down for repair, Kr IV permanently
out of service and Kr V subsequently mothballed comes up against the problem of the
coke consumption for the four Krematorien, which is known up to the end of
October 1943 and which shows that the quantities delivered covered the requirements
of 14 muffles only.]
<quote Pressac>
http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0386.htm
Boed...@isp.com
<aussies_s...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <442fff82-212a-4142-9cc5-31bb0bb7511e@p6
> g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
Why don't you find yourself some jew shrink and seek the help you so
desperately need you village idiot. You're just another daft wannabe
with the IQ
of a billiard ball. Nothing you post ever makes sense and if you
aren't careful The
Mossad will come over to your squat and do what they are very good at,
killing peoplr.
You are an embarassment to the tribe you aspire to emulate.
"Abraham"? ROTFL I bet you're name is Billy Bob and if it weren't
for those 6 packs
you keep swigging and that white stuff you keep sticking up your
nose, you would never
make it through the day.
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NefeshBarYochai
Another hideous post from Boedicia. I can see Boedicia now, fat ass,
bumper lips, monkey hair with a smell of skunk-lady. She's so
repugnant that the only way she can get her jollys after a
masturabatorial session is to attacj good people. She should be lined
up against the wall and shot.
Boed...@isp.com
Leave Madeilaine Albright out of this.
She's so
> repugnant that the only way she can get her jollys after a
> masturabatorial session is to attacj good people. She should be lined
> up against the wall and shot.
My Gid Neshfiii has turned all Nazi?? Now he wants people lined up
and shot!!
I wonder if he was part of that killing squad that murdered The Tsar
his wife and 5 children.
It seems that the jew Trotsky so hated this Christian Head of State
that he
wanted not only *him* dead but also his children, so he ordered the
jew Kurovsky
to take the rest of his hebe killers to take care of the problem. The
Tsar and his family
were taken to a room where they sat on chairs. The the jew Kurovsky
bayoneted the
children in the face before they were all shot. Not only that, they
then shot their little
pet spaniel and even their doctor and servants before throwing the
bodies in a pit.
And people have the nerve to call the Germans cruel in WW2.
The children were the great grand-children of Queen Victoria and we
all know how
the jew hates Monarchies, unless it's jew monarchs like the murdered,
King David of course:)
You can get back to your pills now, Neshfii, surely it's past time.
You know what
happens when you forget to take them, you go all queer in the head and
start
to do daft things, like thinking you're back in Ersatz Israel rocking
back and from in
front of that Wall.
I'll Always Be 19/04/09
<b24efb6a-cfa1-4b99-8cd2-fe261c737ab5@f4
1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
"Boed...@isp.com" <Boed...@isp.com>
wrote:
It hasn't worked for you. How many years
of therapy has the state paid for trying
to help you?
> You're just another daft wannabe with the IQ of a billiard ball.
Yet you keep trying to best me with
these stale quips of yours. Speaks sadly
to your state or lack of such, mental
health.
> Nothing you post ever makes sense and if you aren't careful The Mossad
> will come over to your squat and do what they are very good at, killing peoplr.
Yet you still haven't come up with that
list of Hungarian Jews in Beverly Hills.
Why is that? And like the coward your
tribe finds attractive, you have failed
to post your visage so we can compare
it's beauty...all inner beauty of course.
> You are an embarassment to the tribe you aspire to emulate.
The only one emulating anything in this
conversation is you. If you think it is
somehow endearing that you've combined
the worst attributes of knoll and bent
attorney, I'd suggest tweaking your
meds. But please do stop tweaking.
>
> "Abraham"?
You are? Your parents must have been
unusually cruel, even for your tribe, to
have named you that.
> ROTFL I bet you're name is Billy Bob and if it weren't for those 6 packs
> you keep swigging and that white stuff you keep sticking up your nose,
Admittedly, you would have a lifetime of
experience doing such things, but don't
project your tribes weaknesses on your
superiors.
> you would never make it through the day.
I'd have trouble believing you've ever
made it.
RJ11
RJ11
> The crematory ovens were not equipments specifically designed to Auschwitz-Birkenau.
But we're still waiting for you to explain:
1. Why wasn't a cremation capacity of 2,650 corpses per
day sufficient for one single camp?
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/
2. Why did this one single camp require nearly 900
stokers manning its crematoriums in full day and
night shifts?
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/aug2-3.shtml
RJ.
TallHenry
Boed...@isp.com <Boed...@isp.com> wrote:
> Why don't you find yourself some jew shrink and seek the help you so
> desperately need you village idiot.
Why don't you ask yourself why your tribe is universally
hated, you filthy old limey whore?
Is it because of limey nazi whores such as yourself?
http://shortnews.co.uk/start.cfm?id=23597
Germans and Japanese Best Tourists; Britons Worst
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
A survey conducted by online travel agency Expedia of 17 tourist
offices around the world found that Germans ranked as the best tourists
followed by the Japanese.
Britain came in at the bottom of the list at 24th place. Germans
and Japanese were the best behaved while British, Danes, and Italians
were perceived as the worst behaved.
Americans were seen as the most polite tourists while Britons,
Russians, and Canadian tourists were considered the rudest.
</quote>