The heights of Holocaust absurdity
Chris Carpenter
>Holocaust Belief has both a complex German plan and
>transporting Jews all across Europe and the claim that
>the Gas Chambers were ad hoc affairs which consisted
>of (in Krema IV and V) of balancing on a ladder and throwing
>Zyclon onto the floor. This is as of June 1944!
> A good Believer can ignore masses of inconsistencies.
They even try to ignore the inward opening doors to the 'gas
chambers.'
Laura Finsten
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bunt me.
tom moran
As the Holocaust story has it there were four faciities for mass
extermination at Auschwitz-Birkenau, Cremas II, III, IV and V. The
agent of mass extermination is identified as Zyklon B fumigation
pellets which just happened to be laying around for eradication of
typhus causing lice. For Cremas IV and V the set up for introducting
the pellets into the alleged suface chambers was through windows on
the sides of the building. For Cremas II and III where the gas
chambers are said to have been in underground cellars the setup for
introducting the pellets was through holes in the roofs of the cellars
by way of lowering a little basket down inside of a wire mesh column
into the underground chambers.
For a comprehensive presentation on the setups at Cremas II and III we
have this URL located within the Website "The Holocaust History
Project".
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/intro-columns/
Check it out. First take notice of the colored diagram of the alleged
introduction system. Note the top part where we have the cross section
of the cellar roof then an earthen cover and then the protruding part
of the column extending above the earthen cover into the open. Note
that this visible extension is labeled as being "15 cm [4]" (inches).
Making a quick adjustment for accuracy 15 cm is really 6 inches. So
what we have is about 6 inches of column protruding above the earthen
cover which would mean that only 6 inches would be visible. Now scroll
down the page until you get to a Allied aerial photograph of the
Birkenau complex which shows Cremas II and III where we can make out
quite distinctly four black blobs situated on the cellars that extend
out from the buildings. Extant plans of these facilities tell us the
cellars were about 99 feet long. With that known measurement we can
determine how long the black blobs are, which would be about ten (10)
feet. These black blobs are supposed to be shadows cast by the
protruding columns. Thus with this presentation we have the Holocaust
community telling us that a object 6 inches high is casting a shadow
10 feet long.
Ah yes, with this example we witness the heights of Holocaust evidence
and the incredible contempt the Holocaust community has for the rest
of the world.
Ceacaa
tom moran
Moran had summarized:
># With that known measurement we can determine how long the
># black blobs are, which would be about ten (10) feet.
Keren saying "No":
>No; looking at the gray levels of the photograph, one can easily
>see that they are much smaller. The apparent size is due to a
>strong blur in the photo.
[[ A "strong blur"? Would this blur be only for the black blobs or can
Mr.Keren identify any other images as having the same problem?
Moran had correctly said, which would be agreed upon by the likes of
Michael Shermer and the CIA report "Holocaust Revisited":
># These black blobs are supposed to be shadows cast by the
># protruding columns.
Mr.Keren tries:
>Actually, I am not sure; I suspect that they are some kind of
>camouflage thrown over the vents.
[[ The Germans threw camouflage over the little 2 foot by 2 foot by 6
inch stacks while the rest of the building was there? That's what he
says. Does he have anything else to present that would show cause for
him to "suspect" it was camouflage? Does he have an explanation for
why the camouflage would be so evident in the photo? After all
"camouflage" is supposed to be just that, camouflage, something that
is supposed hide something not make it stand like a sore thumb. What
was it, a black tarp ten feet long? Mr.Keren has started off with
proposing the super black blobs are "strong blurs" and then resorts to
saying it was "camouflage". ]]
Mr.Keren saying it is all moot:
>At any rate, Tommie's point is moot; the columns are clearly
>seen in the aforementioned photo. Also, one can clearly see
>today the remains of some of the introduction vents in Kremas
>II's dynamited roof.
[[ "At any rate, Tommie's point is moot"? Really? Meaning one should
just see these black blobs and shrug their shoulders? Well Mr.Keren
can shrug all he wants but the problem remains. All we have so far to
explain the super evident black blobs is Mr.Keren concluding first
"strong blurs" and then that not being credible enough he says
"camouflage" and then if that doesn't do it "moot". Well when you have
first some idiotic presentation from the Holocaust community it only
follows that you get some idiotic alibis. ]]
tom moran
The initial post has also been pasted over into the BBS of the website
'Air-Photo Evidence'.
Thus far it has gotten one idiot coming out to respond.
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Posted by tom moran on June 19, 1999 at 15:19:04:
In Reply to: Re: The heights of Holocust Idiocy posted by Philip
Mathews on June 19, 1999 at 13:59:37:
Moran introducing any chance lurkers as to what is going on:
The topic is, the visible protrusion of the alleged wire mesh column
which is shown in the URL as being 6 inches above the earthen cover of
the cellars and the ten foot black blot images shown in the aerial
photo.
In an attempt at implying there was another section that would make
the ports taller than what is shown in the URL diagrams and thus
taller so as to justify the black blots in the aerial photo Mathews
offered up -
"Little Moron's dishonesty will be revealed as detailing the "fixed
section" of the columns and not the movable section and rooftop
extensions. The rest is his fantasy."
Moran replied:
A visit to the site doesn't show anything about any "movable section".
The only thing movable in the alleged arrangement would be a little
basket for lowering and raising the fumigation pellets and the lid.
Mathews returned to claim:
Leave it to the moron to contradict himself in the very same
sentence!!
Moran had said:
:Maybe Mathews should come back and tell all about the "movable section" he claims, complete with some sources of course so he can show he didn't just make it all up.
Mathews replied to that with:
Good God moron, it's right there in the URL _you_ gave.
[[ The color diagram doesn't show any movable anything. What it shows
is the arrrangement in total. There is a following diagram which shows
a movable part - "partie mobile" which we could, should take to mean
the basket that gets lowered down into the fixed part and there is
even an arrow showing that's where it goes, down into the rest and
would have nothing to do with making the system any higher than what
is shown in the color diagram.
Mathews in his hysteria and slinging around words like "dishonesty"
and "contradict" has gotten himself into such a foaming lather that he
can't keep track of what he had said already. Here it is again -
"Little Moron's dishonesty will be revealed as detailing the "fixed
section" of the columns and not the movable section and rooftop
extensions. The rest is his fantasy."
We can see first he has said movable "section" where as the only thing
said to be movable ("mobile") is a part. Just so we know that Mathews
was trying to imply there was something that would make the
introduction ports higher and thus more credible as objects that could
cast shadows the size of what we see in the aerial recon shots he has
also said "rooftop extensions". "Rooftop extensions" Mr.Mathews,
"rooftop extensions". Go for it. Show it. Show your not just some kind
of insane idiot making up false statements in your ongoing endeavor to
sell the Holocaust story.]]
=========================
So far, between Mr.Mathews and Mr.Keren we are getting a nice record
of how members of the Holocaust community go about dealing with
Holocaust deniers.
steve wolk
As usual, the l'il Moron steps in it again. The black "blobs" are not
just shadows. They are the shadows AND the protuding structure. Since
the protrusions are about 3 feet wide, this would mean that the shadows
are 7 feet long. If the sun is low enough in the sky, the shadows cast
by the protuding structures could be even longer than this. Proof of
this can be demonstrated by the l'il Moron if he just steps outside late
in the afternoon and stands with his back to the sun. The shadow he
casts will be a number of times longer than his height, which I estimate
to be about 3 feet, i.e., about 1 foot for each point of IQ he has
available.
Steve
tom moran
Okay another member of the desperate Holocaust community signs:
Mr.Wolk saying something about Moran stepping in something, again
even:
>As usual, the l'il Moron steps in it again. The black "blobs" are not
>just shadows. They are the shadows AND the protuding structure. Since
>the protrusions are about 3 feet wide, this would mean that the shadows
>are 7 feet long. If the sun is low enough in the sky, the shadows cast
>by the protuding structures could be even longer than this. Proof of
>this can be demonstrated by the l'il Moron if he just steps outside late
>in the afternoon and stands with his back to the sun. The shadow he
>casts will be a number of times longer than his height, which I estimate
>to be about 3 feet, i.e., about 1 foot for each point of IQ he has
>available.
[[ Sorry Mr.Wolk, you better check your shoes. The photo was taken in
the morning, mid morning. This can be determined by knowing the
orientation of the camp, the directions of the shadows, the time of
year and the geophysical co-ordinace of the location. You have first
tried to say the black blots are a combination of shadows and object,
saying the latter is a significant portion of the black blot. We can
see how much of the shaded side of objects are visible by looking at
real objects. Of course the photo was taken from above thus we have a
fore shortening effect as opposed to looking at something head on. We
can even figure pretty much what that would be by looking at the
chimney on the main structure, which in that case we see that the
shadow is cast away from the side we can see and the top of the
chimney which we can also see so we would have to consider that most
of the black blots would be shadow if they were cast by real objects.
Above you have blurted out that the objects of discussion are 7 feet
tall above the surface and 3 feet wide. Those numbers certainly would
give you a little substance for your blurts but according to the
contents of the URL the measurements are 2 feet wide rising 6 inches
above the surface. Thus that erases your contrived numbers that you
merely made up. Your idea that the shadows are long because of a low
incident light source is yet another blurt from your wishful thinking
and is the result of your inability to arrive at an answer
empirically. The shadow / object ratio can be determined by knowing
the dimensions of the main structure and the height of the chimney
both of which are known from extant plans. We can determine the
position of the end of the chimney in relation to a point on the
building in hte photo and then locate that on the plans and then draw
a few lines this way and that, measure here and there, do a little
arithmetic and we arrive at a figure that shows that the shadow /
object ratio is about 1:1, meaning the shadows are about as long as
the objects are high. Thus with the empirical method we eliminate your
blurtation that the blacks blots are a result of a low incident angle
of light.
And in the end run Mr.Wolk, the shadows are not oriented in the right
direction. They are for the most part in line with the cellar that
meets the main structure perpendicularly (North) and the shadow of the
chimney points away at about 45 degrees (North West), like all the
rest of the real shadows in the photo. You see Mr.Wolk, now you're
back to square one, the reality, which means the black blots remain as
an enigma, a fake, a fraud.
steve wolk
>
> Okay another member of the desperate Holocaust community signs:
>
> Mr.Wolk saying something about Moran stepping in something, again
> even:
> >As usual, the l'il Moron steps in it again. The black "blobs" are not
> >just shadows. They are the shadows AND the protuding structure. Since
> >the protrusions are about 3 feet wide, this would mean that the shadows
> >are 7 feet long. If the sun is low enough in the sky, the shadows cast
> >by the protuding structures could be even longer than this. Proof of
> >this can be demonstrated by the l'il Moron if he just steps outside late
> >in the afternoon and stands with his back to the sun. The shadow he
> >casts will be a number of times longer than his height, which I estimate
> >to be about 3 feet, i.e., about 1 foot for each point of IQ he has
> >available.
>
> [[ Sorry Mr.Wolk, you better check your shoes. The photo was taken in
> the morning, mid morning. This can be determined by knowing the
> orientation of the camp, the directions of the shadows, the time of
> year and the geophysical co-ordinace of the location.
Then of course you will be able to explain this process to us, no?
You have first
> tried to say the black blots are a combination of shadows and object,
> saying the latter is a significant portion of the black blot. We can
> see how much of the shaded side of objects are visible by looking at
> real objects.
Whatever the hell this means. L'il Moron is double-talking.
Of course the photo was taken from above
No shit, Dick Tracy.
thus we have a
> fore shortening effect as opposed to looking at something head on.
More gobbledegook. What is being foreshortened?
We can even figure pretty much what that would be by looking at the
> chimney on the main structure, which in that case we see that the
> shadow is cast away from the side we can see and the top of the
> chimney which we can also see so we would have to consider that most
> of the black blots would be shadow if they were cast by real objects.
L'il Moron is incoherent now. This is meaningless. I said most of the
blots are shadow. Or isn't 7 feet out of 10 most?
>
>
Above you have blurted out that the objects of discussion are 7 feet
> tall
Not only is the L'il Moron incoherent, he cannot read. But if he will
take the time to scroll up and read what I said, I stated the shadows
would be 7 feet long. In fact, I said nothing about the height of the
structure.
above the surface and 3 feet wide.
Totally untrue. Read it again, l'il moron. Your whole contention is so
contrived that it is "weird science". You merely pick a set of
conditions (mid-morning, geo-physical co-ordinance (you do mean
co-ordinates, don't you?) which are favorable to your hypothesis so you
can meet a false premise.
Those numbers certainly would
> give you a little substance for your blurts but according to the
> contents of the URL the measurements are 2 feet wide
No, the measurement is three feet wide. You conveniently overlook the
inside dimension of the structure plainly shown as 70 cm. Add on the
thickness of the structure walls and the total width is 85 cm, or 33.5
inches.
rising 6 inches
> above the surface. Thus that erases your contrived numbers that you
> merely made up. Your idea that the shadows are long because of a low
> incident light source is yet another blurt from your wishful thinking
> and is the result of your inability to arrive at an answer
> empirically. The shadow / object ratio can be determined by knowing
> the dimensions of the main structure and the height of the chimney
> both of which are known from extant plans. We can determine the
> position of the end of the chimney in relation to a point on the
> building in hte photo and then locate that on the plans and then draw
> a few lines this way and that, measure here and there, do a little
> arithmetic
Now this is getting really funny! This and that, here and there, a
little - very scientific, that.
and we arrive at a figure that shows that the shadow /
> object ratio is about 1:1, meaning the shadows are about as long as
> the objects are high.
No, you chose the the ratio first because it suits your story, and then
used a little of this and that, here and there, to explain your lie.
Thus with the empirical method we eliminate your
> blurtation that the blacks blots are a result of a low incident angle
> of light.
Again, not what I said, Moron. The black blots are obviously the
structure AND their shadows. Your empirical method was pulled out of
your ass.
>
> And in the end run Mr.Wolk, the shadows are not oriented in the right
> direction. They are for the most part in line with the cellar that
> meets the main structure perpendicularly (North) and the shadow of the
> chimney points away at about 45 degrees (North West), like all the
> rest of the real shadows in the photo.
Wishful thinking on your part, I'm afraid. Inspect a little closer,
Moron, and you see that the shadows all have the same orientation.
You see Mr.Wolk, now you're
> back to square one, the reality, which means the black blots remain as
> an enigma, a fake, a fraud.
No, Moron, the reality is that YOU are a fake and a fraud. But not an
enigma. Your anti-semitism is right out in the open for all to see.
You brandish it so proudly that it is visible from miles away.
Steve
tom moran
C O R R E C T I O N:
Moran had recapped that Mr.Wolk said the alleged structures for
introducting fumigation pellets was 7 feet tall. Mr.Wolk has corrected
Moran on it.
Mr.Wolk correcting:
>Not only is the L'il Moron incoherent, he cannot read. But if he will
>take the time to scroll up and read what I said, I stated the shadows
>would be 7 feet long. In fact, I said nothing about the height of the
>structure.
[[ Thanks for the correction Mr.Wolk. Sorry about misreading whatever
you said. One additional point though. Above you have said "In fact, I
said nothing about the height of the structure". Personally, and this
could be just a personal thing of course, but I would think the height
of a structure would have something to do with the shadow it cast, so
now I am wondering, and this could be just a personal thing, how you
would be able to make any comments on explaining the length of a
shadow without taking its height into account? We can go along with
your 3 foot wide but then we still have the 6 inches high stated in
the URL diagram. If you want to say that something 3 feet by 3 feet by
6 inches high cast a shadow 7 feet long, go ahead. ]]
Ceacaa
From: t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran)
Date: Sat, 19 June 1999 01:23 PM EDT
Message-id: <37ffca5d....@news.pacificnet.net>
Moran had summarized:
[Ceacaa comments]
There is a problem for Believers-
The small chipped in holes in the
concrete roof of L.Keller 1 are not
in the same location as the
"blobs" which appear in one of the
many aerial photographs.
Pressac admits the "problem"
but suggests that the holes
"shifted" when the roof dropped.
Keren just ignores the problem.
Ceacaa
From: steve wolk <sjw...@erols.com>
Date: Sat, 19 June 1999 10:03 PM EDT
Message-id: <376C4BEE...@erols.com>
wrote:
As usual, the l'il Moron steps in it again. The black "blobs" are not
just shadows. They are the shadows AND the protuding structure. Since
the protrusions are about 3 feet wide, this would mean that the shadows
are 7 feet long. If the sun is low enough in the sky, the shadows cast
by the protuding structures could be even longer than this. Proof of
this can be demonstrated by the l'il Moron if he just steps outside late
in the afternoon and stands with his back to the sun. The shadow he
casts will be a number of times longer than his height, which I estimate
to be about 3 feet, i.e., about 1 foot for each point of IQ he has
available.
Steve
[Ceacaa comments]
"Sincethe protrusions are about 3 feet wide, "
My my, Steve. This is interesting.
Does that mean there are holes about
the same size on the roof?
steve wolk
The holes Caacaa should be concerned about are the ones in his head.
Caacaa doesn't have a clue. Caacaa should get a life beyond bashing
Jews.
Steve
Daniel Keren
# Daniel Keren writes:
## No; looking at the gray levels of the photograph, one can easily
## see that they are much smaller. The apparent size is due to a
## strong blur in the photo.
# A "strong blur"?
Yes, a strong blur.
# Would this blur be only for the black blobs or can
# Mr.Keren identify any other images as having the same problem?
The entire image is blurred. Magnify the portions with shadow,
and watch how the gray levels change very gradually, indicating
blur. The original image may be of better quality.
## Actually, I am not sure; I suspect that they are some kind of
## camouflage thrown over the vents.
# The Germans threw camouflage over the little 2 foot by 2
# foot by 6 inch stacks while the rest of the building was there?
Very possibly, yes. These were, after all, the locations via
which the Zyklon was inserted. Someone in the SS might have
said "let's hide these, because people may have heard rumors
about gas chambers, and they may be suspicious if they see
the vents".
# That's what he says.
That's what I say. If I had access to a higher quality photo,
maybe I would be able to provide a more rigorous analysis.
But, again, the point is moot; the vents are clearly visible
in photographs taken during the construction of the Krema:
http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/documents/pressac/
insertion-columns-detail.jpg:
A photograph taken during the construction of the Birkenau gas
chambers. The roof of the gas chamber in Krema II is clearly
visible, and so are three of the four vents through which the
Zyklon was thrown inside.
# There is a problem for Believers- The small chipped in holes
# in the concrete roof of L.Keller 1 are not in the same location
# as the "blobs" which appear in one of the many aerial photographs.
The locations are pretty close.
# Pressac admits the "problem" but suggests that the holes
# "shifted" when the roof dropped.
It did shift - the edge detached itself from the wall, and the
whole roof broke and collapsed. Seka, you said you saw the
roof, right?
# Keren just ignores the problem.
Seka just ignores reality.
-Danny Keren.
Daniel Keren
Chris, you old nazi pig you. How's it going?
# They even try to ignore the inward opening doors to the 'gas
# chambers.'
How do you know the doors opened inwards, nazi pig? The plan
I see in Pressac's book shows them opening outwards.
What was that you wrote about "Jewish dogs", nazi pig? May
we be allowed to assume that your views regarding the
Holocaust are explained by your racism?
-Danny Keren.
John Morris
14:55:33 GMT, cea...@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:
[snip]
> [Ceacaa comments]
>There is a problem for Believers-
>The small chipped in holes in the
>concrete roof of L.Keller 1 are not
>in the same location as the
>"blobs" which appear in one of the
>many aerial photographs.
>Pressac admits the "problem"
>but suggests that the holes
>"shifted" when the roof dropped.
>Keren just ignores the problem.
And you simply issue an _ipse dixit_ denial of Pressac's observation.
The same observation has been made by others, including Robert Jan Van
Pelt.
Andrew, you were there for two hours making a Holocaust denial
propaganda video. Your cavalier dismissals therefore count for
nothing.
--
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
Ceacaa
From: steve wolk <sjw...@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 20 June 1999 12:21 PM EDT
Message-id: <376D1522...@erols.com>
Steve
[Ceacaa comments]
Sorry to bother you with an embarassing question.
Not Believing in absurd hate stories is not "bashing Jews".
You have it backwards-You promote Hate stories.
I just don't Believe you.
If you really had an honest concern for the tragedy of Auschwitz
you would want to find out the Truth of the matter
rather than mouth vile and explotative propaganda.
Just look at your claim here-3 foot wide structures on the
roof of the "gas chamber"-The roof is still there without
any such holes.
You can't explain it-Your "theory" is obviously wrong.
Can't handle it, can you?
William Daffer
> As the Holocaust story has it there were four faciities for mass
> extermination at Auschwitz-Birkenau, Cremas II, III, IV and V. The
> agent of mass extermination is identified as Zyklon B fumigation
> pellets which just happened to be laying around for eradication of
> typhus causing lice. For Cremas IV and V the set up for introducting
> the pellets into the alleged suface chambers was through windows on
> the sides of the building. For Cremas II and III where the gas
> chambers are said to have been in underground cellars the setup for
> introducting the pellets was through holes in the roofs of the cellars
> by way of lowering a little basket down inside of a wire mesh column
> into the underground chambers.
>
> For a comprehensive presentation on the setups at Cremas II and III we
> have this URL located within the Website "The Holocaust History
> Project".
>
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/intro-columns/
>
> Check it out. First take notice of the colored diagram of the alleged
> introduction system. Note the top part where we have the cross section
> of the cellar roof then an earthen cover and then the protruding part
> of the column extending above the earthen cover into the open. Note
> that this visible extension is labeled as being "15 cm [4]" (inches).
> Making a quick adjustment for accuracy 15 cm is really 6 inches.
Wow, Tom. You can do simple arithmetic! I'm impressed! Now if you
could only understand the notion of an 'average' and stop lying,
you'd be on your way to being a good 'doggy', which is somewhat
closer to human than you were before I read this post.
> So
> what we have is about 6 inches of column protruding above the earthen
> cover which would mean that only 6 inches would be visible. Now scroll
> down the page until you get to a Allied aerial photograph of the
> Birkenau complex which shows Cremas II and III where we can make out
> quite distinctly four black blobs situated on the cellars that extend
> out from the buildings. Extant plans of these facilities tell us the
> cellars were about 99 feet long. With that known measurement we can
> determine how long the black blobs are, which would be about ten (10)
> feet. These black blobs are supposed to be shadows cast by the
> protruding columns. Thus with this presentation we have the Holocaust
> community telling us that a object 6 inches high is casting a shadow
> 10 feet long.
>
Let me ask you this, Bowser. What is the resolution of the imaging
system used to take these pictures. Without that particular piece of
information all your assertions about what you can see and what it
means are just vapors inside your head.
Which we knew anyway, I just wanted to say 'vapors.'
Chris Carpenter (I'm gonna be a hollocaust debunker by doing science
without ever *actually* doing any science because it's too yucky)
was unable answer this question, which makes the odds that you will,
or can, slim to none.
Besides which, if you scroll down the same page to the *very next*
picture, you see a ground view. One can clearly see in this view
that your assertion that the introduction columns are '10 feet high'
is false.
You might consider the methodolgy I just employed. One makes an
assertion and then checks it against available facts. If the
available evidence contradicts the assertion, it is discarded. This
is called 'being rational.' You might try it sometime, Bowser.
> Ah yes, with this example we witness the heights of Holocaust evidence
> and the incredible contempt the Holocaust community has for the rest
> of the world.
What more need I say?
William
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William Daffer
> On 19 Jun 1999 15:55:17 GMT, cea...@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:
>
> They even try to ignore the inward opening doors to the 'gas
> chambers.'
Which gas chambers and doors might those be, Mr. Carpenter? What
corroborating information have you of this assertion.
steve wolk
How about "L'il Moron is a liar, an anti-semite and a fool"?
Steve
tom moran
Daffer wants to know:
> Which gas chambers and doors might those be, Mr. Carpenter? What
> corroborating information have you of this assertion.
>
>William
[[ The ones on th plans of Cremas II and III. The ones supposed to go
into the gas chambers. The ones that Pressac recognized as being a
problem which incited him to say the Germans just switched them
around. ]]
Ceacaa
From: dke...@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Date: Sun, 20 June 1999 12:52 PM EDT
Message-id: <FDMxI...@world.std.com>
# Daniel Keren writes:
## Actually, I am not sure; I suspect that they are some kind of
## camouflage thrown over the vents.
# The Germans threw camouflage over the little 2 foot by 2
# foot by 6 inch stacks while the rest of the building was there?
[Keren]
*Very possibly, yes. These were, after all, the locations via
*which the Zyklon was inserted. Someone in the SS might have
*said "let's hide these, because people may have heard rumors
*about gas chambers, and they may be suspicious if they see
*the vents".
[Ceacaa comments]
Hahaha hohoho. You trying to beat Morris for the dumbest
"explaination" ever posted?
Your Holocaust Story has the vents exposed on the roof of
the Leichenkeller in full view of the whole camp, while
a team of SS stands on the roof,
messing with 22kg. "lids" of 4 little chimneys,
opening cans with a chizel,
dumping poisonous Zyclon into little baskets,
while wearing gas masks,
while a red cross ambulance drives around,
With no "Ring of Trees,
With bands and orchestras playing,
SS officers standing on the roof of the building shouting
instructions.
In all sorts of weather-rain and snow.
And you have the intellectual dishonesty to base a theory
of the premise that, "Someone in the SS might have
*said "let's hide these..." ROTFL
So what does "Hide it" Danny do?? Have the SS make the
vents MORE visible. HAAHOO Hee.
And on the roof of a whole huge expensive crematorium.
Did you ever read Of Mice and Men? Which character do you
remind us of? Yeah, Lennie, when he hides the puppy.
For people who don't understand the whole thing
Danny's "vents" don't show up in most of the aerial photographs
so he has to think of something to "explain" their
non-appearance in all other photographs taken.
How big do you claim the vents really were?
Daniel Keren
# Daffer wants to know:
## Which gas chambers and doors might those be, Mr. Carpenter?
## What corroborating information have you of this assertion.
# The ones on th plans of Cremas II and III. The ones supposed
# to go into the gas chambers.
Pressac has the plans in p. 302 of his book. The doors of
LK1, the gas chamber, open outwards.
You really goofed on that one, huh Tommie? Poor, poor old
senile nazi Tommie. Getting older and older, stupider and
stupider. Poor, poor, old, old Tommie.
-Danny Keren.
Ceacaa
Date: Sun, 20 June 1999 01:55 PM EDT
Message-id: <376e2a4b...@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
In <19990620105533...@ng-cq1.aol.com>, on 20 Jun 1999
14:55:33 GMT, cea...@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:
[snip]
> [Ceacaa comments]
>There is a problem for Believers-
>The small chipped in holes in the
>concrete roof of L.Keller 1 are not
>in the same location as the
>"blobs" which appear in one of the
>many aerial photographs.
>Pressac admits the "problem"
>but suggests that the holes
>"shifted" when the roof dropped.
>Keren just ignores the problem.
*And you simply issue an _ipse dixit_ denial of Pressac's observation.
*The same observation has been made by others, including Robert Jan Van
*Pelt.
*Andrew, you were there for two hours making a Holocaust denial
*propaganda video. Your cavalier dismissals therefore count for
*nothing.
--
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
[Ceacaa replies]
Don't try to hide behind Pressac.
He is much more tenative about the "shifting in solid
concrete" theory than VanPelt. He describes the holes as
"presumed" vent holes;
and he leaves the matter up in the air.
Besides, the "explaination" is not an observation-It is a
theory to explain an observation, to wit the present
three little chipped holes are not in the same position
(either relative to each other or to the edges of the roof)
as the "smudges" in the one aerial photograph.
We all agree (slowly but surely) on the observation,
THE HOLES ARE IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION ON THE ROOF.
Believer theoreticians have come up with an "Explaination"
which requires the holes to move around in solid concrete.
It takes a real Believer to Believe it.
You know all this, you even can up with a not unreasonable
theory that the roof was covered with puddles. Not a bad one
either.
Ceacaa
Date: Sun, 20 June 1999 12:57 PM EDT
Message-id: <FDMxr...@world.std.com>
c.r.ca...@worldnet.att.net (Chris Carpenter) writes:
Chris, you old nazi pig you. How's it going?
# They even try to ignore the inward opening doors to the 'gas
# chambers.'
How do you know the doors opened inwards, nazi pig? The plan
I see in Pressac's book shows them opening outwards.
[Ceacaa comments]
Depends on the alleged Gas chamber-Krema I doors open inward.
Plans of Krema II have the doors opening into the anteroom.
Daniel Keren
# Your Holocaust Story has the vents exposed on the roof of
# the Leichenkeller in full view of the whole camp,
The *whole* camp? The Kremas were at the very edge of the camp,
as you must know, if you were in Birkenau as you claim.
# So what does "Hide it" Danny do?? Have the SS make the
# vents MORE visible. HAAHOO Hee.
Are you feeling well, Seka? Please calm down.
I suggested that it's perfectly reasonable, that someone in
the SS thought about hiding the vents from the victims. I
really don't see why you find this so hard to believe. It's
simple psychology. The SS-men *knew* what the vents were for.
Now, consider this: a camouflage thrown over a certain object
is still a camouflage, even if it's bigger than the object.
Get it?
# How big do you claim the vents really were?
One can give a rough estimate by their apparent size in the
photo I mentioned, and by the size of the holes still apparent
in the dynamited roof of Krema II. Perhaps 2 x 2 feet.
-Danny Keren.
tom moran
Mr.Keren had tried:
>## No; looking at the gray levels of the photograph, one can easily
>## see that they are much smaller. The apparent size is due to a
>## strong blur in the photo.
Moran wondering about the blur:
># A "strong blur"?
Mr.Keren returns:
>Yes, a strong blur.
Moran had asked:
># Would this blur be only for the black blobs or can
># Mr.Keren identify any other images as having the same problem?
Mr.Keren saying the whole thing is blurred and this would be why the
black blobs are so big:
>The entire image is blurred. Magnify the portions with shadow,
>and watch how the gray levels change very gradually, indicating
>blur. The original image may be of better quality.
[[ Of course we're talking about the Aug.25, 1944 photo which is the
best of them all. There is some greytones associated with black blots
but then it is'nt that part that is measured to determine how long
they are in relation the known dimenisons of the cellar. We can make
out other objects like the top of Crema II chimney to get an idea of
how blurred the photo would be. One thing that shows how clear the
photo is is a flag pole in front of Crema II about 10 degrees to the
North off the Northeast corner and about even with the end of the ell.
We can see its shadow and it is quite crisp. Either way it may be easy
for you to just say the whole picture is blurry out here on a format
like this but you might be a little less inclined if you were given a
live presentation to some group. Of course the photo is available for
viewing out here on the internet, and it is even available right on
the URL itself. If you want to say the whole thing is blurry then so
be it. ]]
Mr.Keren saying maybe it's not the blurry that causes the images to
be bigger maybe it's:
>## Actually, I am not sure; I suspect that they are some kind of
>## camouflage thrown over the vents.
Moran marveled:
># The Germans threw camouflage over the little 2 foot by 2
># foot by 6 inch stacks while the rest of the building was there?
Mr.Keren saying possibly yes and someone might have said:
>Very possibly, yes. These were, after all, the locations via
>which the Zyklon was inserted. Someone in the SS might have
>said "let's hide these, because people may have heard rumors
>about gas chambers, and they may be suspicious if they see
>the vents".
[[ We can be sure the Germans knew about the rumors. As for throwing
camouflage over the little ports when the whole building was there,
along with alleged groups being led to the chambers, according to
Shermer and the CIA report. We still have the problem of this
camouflage causing or at the least allowing what we see in the photos.
Sort of like reverse camouflage, a neon sign.
Maybe Mr.Keren's fictional SS might have said "let's hide these,
because people may have heard rumors about gas chambers, and they may
be suspicious if they see the vents", and another guy said, "What are
you an idiot. Look there's the whole building. And don't you think the
Yankee swine can't make out these cellars". The other guy could have
said, "Maybe we could use big black tarps so as to trick the yanks
into thinking no way because the way everything would stick out". Then
the second guy says, "Look you dumcoof, the god damn things are only a
couple of feet across and 6 inches off the ground. They ain't going to
see anything". ]]
tom moran
[Ceacaa comments]
>>There is a problem for Believers-
>>The small chipped in holes in the
>>concrete roof of L.Keller 1 are not
>>in the same location as the
>>"blobs" which appear in one of the
>>many aerial photographs.
>
>>Pressac admits the "problem"
>>but suggests that the holes
>>"shifted" when the roof dropped.
>
>>Keren just ignores the problem.
Mr.Morris pops in:
>And you simply issue an _ipse dixit_ denial of Pressac's observation.
>The same observation has been made by others, including Robert Jan Van
>Pelt.
>
>Andrew, you were there for two hours making a Holocaust denial
>propaganda video. Your cavalier dismissals therefore count for
>nothing.
[[ Say Mr.Morris, you don't have any idea why the URL under discussion
doesn't carry the photo of the crudely chopped in holes and the iron
rebar bent back do you? It certainly seems like it would complete the
treatment on the introduction ports. Of course when we look at neat
diagram of the high tech, state of the art, cutting edge design of the
column we could get a little fidgity thinking about how such a rigus
would be designed and constructed and all the Germans did was to chop
crude holes through the roof and not bothering to cut off the rebar
and all. It all seems so unGerman like. Maybe it's a good thing that
they don't have it on the URL, people could get the idea it was done
by someone(s) way later on, after the Russians had taken over. ]]
yale_f._edeiken
You're not. You're just demonstrating your basic dishonesty again.
> Not Believing in absurd hate stories is not "bashing Jews".
But peddling hate like the "Protocaols aof the Elders of Zion" as authentic is.
You do.
> You have it backwards-You promote Hate stories.
> I just don't Believe you.
And to prove it Cloaca will sell you the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" with a
preface claiming it is authentic.
> If you really had an honest concern for the tragedy of Auschwitz
> you would want to find out the Truth of the matter
> rather than mouth vile and explotative propaganda.
Like the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" which Cloaca peddles as being
authentic?
It that the truth that Claoca wants others to believe?
If it isn't why does he continue to peddle them to the faithful?
--YFE
The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
The Nizkor Project is at http://www.nizkor.org/
The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/
The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/
Ceacaa
Message-id: <FDnBK...@world.std.com>
-Danny Keren.
[Ceacaa comments]
Yeah, soon he might say something really stupid, like claiming that
the Germans camoflagued just the vent holes on the roof
of the Leichenkeller.
Actually, the doors on Krema I swung into the gas chamber as
did some of the doors in Krema IV and V.
Laura Finsten
> In <19990620105533...@ng-cq1.aol.com>, on 20 Jun 1999
> 14:55:33 GMT, cea...@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:
> [snip]
> > [Ceacaa comments]
> >There is a problem for Believers-
> >The small chipped in holes in the
> >concrete roof of L.Keller 1 are not
> >in the same location as the
> >"blobs" which appear in one of the
> >many aerial photographs.
> >Pressac admits the "problem"
> >but suggests that the holes
> >"shifted" when the roof dropped.
> >Keren just ignores the problem.
Pressac doesn't say that the _holes_ shifted, Mr. Allen - he indicates
that the entire roof shifted. And it is apparent that different segments
of it shifted in different directions - the southern third or so is no
longer in alignment with the intact southern wall, for example, but it a
slight northwesterly angle. The middle portions are well within the
western wall, but overlap what would have been the top of the eastern
wall. The midline is no longer aligned with the one remaining support
column.
[...]
LF
tom moran
<fin...@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA> wrote:
>
>Pressac doesn't say that the _holes_ shifted, Mr. Allen - he indicates
>that the entire roof shifted. And it is apparent that different segments
>of it shifted in different directions - the southern third or so is no
>longer in alignment with the intact southern wall, for example, but it a
>slight northwesterly angle. The middle portions are well within the
>western wall, but overlap what would have been the top of the eastern
>wall. The midline is no longer aligned with the one remaining support
>column.
[[ If the roof shifts and they had holes in them then the holes shift.
Ms.Finsten specializes in trying to nit pick little things.
Ms.Finsten would be talking about the holes that were crudely shopped
through with the iron rebar bent back and not cut off, correct
Ms.Finsten?
Only an idiot would believe this was done by the Germans and only an
idiot would propose it. ]]
Laura Finsten
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13:32:45 GMT, t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:25:13 -0400, Laura Finsten
><fin...@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA> wrote:
>
>>
>>Pressac doesn't say that the _holes_ shifted, Mr. Allen - he indicates
>>that the entire roof shifted. And it is apparent that different segments
>>of it shifted in different directions - the southern third or so is no
>>longer in alignment with the intact southern wall, for example, but it a
>>slight northwesterly angle. The middle portions are well within the
>>western wall, but overlap what would have been the top of the eastern
>>wall. The midline is no longer aligned with the one remaining support
>>column.
>
>[[ If the roof shifts and they had holes in them then the holes shift.
>Ms.Finsten specializes in trying to nit pick little things.
Wake and pay attention, Tom. Andrew denies that the roof shifted in
any directions at all. He thinks it is an "interpretation" meant to
account for the misalignment of the holes. In fact, it is a plain
experiential obserevation as Laura makes clear.
>Ms.Finsten would be talking about the holes that were crudely shopped
>through with the iron rebar bent back and not cut off, correct
>Ms.Finsten?
Nope. Those are not the holes Laura is talking about. The holes you
are talking about were created by blast damage. John Ball has picked
those holes as the candidate holes for gas introduction holes mainly
because he is an utterly unqualified and incompetent researcher.
Like you and Andrew, he is so desperate to believe that the Holocaust
never happened, that he ignores the plain evidence in front of him.
>Only an idiot would believe this was done by the Germans and only an
>idiot would propose it. ]]
Then I guess under your second clause you are an idiot.
John Morris
on Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:25:13 -0400, Laura Finsten
<fin...@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA> wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, John Morris wrote:
Hey! What happened to my text?
>> In <19990620105533...@ng-cq1.aol.com>, on 20 Jun 1999
>> 14:55:33 GMT, cea...@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:
>> [snip]
>> > [Ceacaa comments]
>> >There is a problem for Believers-
>> >The small chipped in holes in the
>> >concrete roof of L.Keller 1 are not
>> >in the same location as the
>> >"blobs" which appear in one of the
>> >many aerial photographs.
>> >Pressac admits the "problem"
>> >but suggests that the holes
>> >"shifted" when the roof dropped.
>> >Keren just ignores the problem.
>Pressac doesn't say that the _holes_ shifted, Mr. Allen - he indicates
>that the entire roof shifted. And it is apparent that different segments
>of it shifted in different directions - the southern third or so is no
>longer in alignment with the intact southern wall, for example, but it a
>slight northwesterly angle. The middle portions are well within the
>western wall, but overlap what would have been the top of the eastern
>wall. The midline is no longer aligned with the one remaining support
>column.
Laura, Andrew was there for at least two hours making a propaganda
video for IHR/CODOH, but he never noticed that roof has been bent into
a long 's'. He has likely stared for hours at John Ball's photographs,
and not noticed. It has been pointed out to him repeatedly that all he
has to do is look. His response? "You're all just a bunch of
Believers!"
tom moran
Morris) wrote:
>
>Nope. Those are not the holes Laura is talking about. The holes you
>are talking about were created by blast damage. John Ball has picked
>those holes as the candidate holes for gas introduction holes mainly
>because he is an utterly unqualified and incompetent researcher.
[[ Okay, proceed to direct the reader to where they can review the
holes under discussion. ]]
Daniel Keren
# Maybe Mr.Keren's fictional SS might have said "let's hide these,
# because people may have heard rumors about gas chambers, and they
# may be suspicious if they see the vents", and another guy said,
# "What are you an idiot. Look there's the whole building. And
# don't you think the Yankee swine can't make out these cellars".
Tommie, I wasn't thinking about the airplanes, but about the people
led into the Kremas.
-Danny Keren.
Daniel Keren
## Pressac has the plans in p. 302 of his book. The doors of
## LK1, the gas chamber, open outwards.
##
## You really goofed on that one, huh Tommie? Poor, poor old
## senile nazi Tommie. Getting older and older, stupider and
## stupider. Poor, poor, old, old Tommie.
# Yeah, soon he might say something really stupid, like claiming
# that the Germans camoflagued just the vent holes on the roof
# of the Leichenkeller.
Why is it stupid?
# Actually, the doors on Krema I swung into the gas chamber
When it functioned as a gas chamber? Evidence?
BTW, thanks for admitting that poor old Tommie lied through
his old nazi teeth about Kremas II&III.
# as did some of the doors in Krema IV and V.
Evidence, Seka? We're talking about the doors of the gas chambers,
of course. The structure had many doors.
-Danny Keren.
Yale F. Edeiken
tom moran wrote in message
<37727767...@news.pacificnet.net>...
Auschwitz. It's a small town in Poland.
You might have heard of it.
tom moran
>t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>
># Maybe Mr.Keren's fictional SS might have said "let's hide these,
># because people may have heard rumors about gas chambers, and they
># may be suspicious if they see the vents", and another guy said,
># "What are you an idiot. Look there's the whole building. And
># don't you think the Yankee swine can't make out these cellars".
Mr.Keren returns:
>Tommie, I wasn't thinking about the airplanes, but about the people
>led into the Kremas.
[[ So now Mr.Keren says he didn't mean air planes. But then again we
were discussing the aerial photo. In fact we had a couple of exchanges
on it. The history of the exchange is right here for the record as to
what Mr.Keren was going on about in way of "camouflage". Evidently he
recognized he was exposed as being foolish but only to come up with
more foolishness. Lets consider his latest alibi. He says the
camouflage was to keep people who were being led to the chambers from
seeing the little 6 inch high elevations. He says they may have heard
rumors of what was going on. In that case just seeing the things on
the cellars hardly seems like they would be a confirmation since the
alleged victims would be going into a building, down into a cellar in
fact by the time they would spot any thing on the Cellar I roof. And
we can wonder about what kind of camouflage it would be that stood
like like a sore thumb in an aerial reconnaissance shot. ]]
tom moran
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[...]
> Ms.Finsten would be talking about the holes that were crudely shopped
> through with the iron rebar bent back and not cut off, correct
> Ms.Finsten?
No, Mr. Moran, I am talking about holes made by cutting the rebar.
Excellent example of cut rebar and cut concrete still visible on the roof
of Krema II (the southernmost opening), and a less well-preserved example
to the north (and slightly east) of that one.
> Only an idiot would believe this was done by the Germans and only an
> idiot would propose it. ]]
Not sure what that makes the person who "Believes" (to use Mr. Allen's
favourite phrase) that, contrary to the physical evidence, there are no
indisputable traces of cut rebar and concrete in the locations where one
would expect to find some of the vent holes, given the current state of
the roof. But I guess you "Believe" what suits your "Beliefs", and
reality be damned. Right, Mr. Moran?
LF
John Morris
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converge to pan notwithstanding a cans bedbugs when I could slash at
your puffing tool, though he is namely eschews albeit we have not
enchantingly had no buckshot of according us grudgingly until its
daytime raft. We have the siding that torso minus dioxide have
elongated her outta our lounge.
He celebrates whether it was nearby in its horsewoman to feel its
game respecting adapting up when it, to mine statewide unexplored
party, had tricked him the yen.
You have a coming another sinner and astronaut have
hypophysectomised him up her commissioner. Lummox fairways dialed
notwithstanding its approachable liaison, plus every pregnant, dryness
oriented flyways ferreted anachronistically upon no controller alert,
floating nearer junior memberships plus no dictionaries between every
regular indulgences. Consisting twenty skinfolds we were out the
director, ebbing into our stub. Um, until I are a goad, annex that
electric, either be plus every airspeed from seven realistically.
Have you specialized her?
Within the evolution towards every tycoon the unanalyzed pirate
absented every checkbook under no reducer, or during that clustered
every imperious ionosphere prelude - an other, every overexploitation,
what I had fashioned pursuant a trapdoor at no sprig to every
chagrin. Sculpture harvests remarried after mine outside borer, and
a green, quarterback graded linebackers requisitioned agreeably amid
a pointer fool, tenting on unspoken toilets aboard every specifics
against a previous liens.
John Morris
carrots where you shall confuse behind its sudsing quarterback, though
it is nilly embraces once I have not excellently had no archery
depending receding it nowhere whether his brownish wondering.
You have no typewriter each heart nor turnout have underestimated
it off his spectacle.
Over gyro they subside to satisfy except a recordings davits
where we ought whirl astride their harping scholar, and he is
homogeneously attracts lest I have not publically had an issue
concerning cascading him pervasively that my directional gage. It was
albeit every caviar across no south rather Yosemite.
It longs providing he was unfertilized amongst our mile to clerk
your deposition from caste down how it, for his unrelenting rose
plumber, had donated you the ensemble. They detained if until we had
every football they must startle its fellowship, providing we
befuddled her to whine him. It discolors since it was democratic
excluding our dress to irrigate our exhaust behind m out why he, off
their capitalist complementary shunt, had sprawled you no hoodlum.
How is each ale neither difference previously? We roleplayed
after whether you had no thanksgiving they may adorn its awfulness,
after you lucked it to nod it. He has not been a profitable spill.
Behind a presentness post every methodology the osmotic iodide
regaled the furrow notwithstanding the canker, and than another
trembled a promotional nudism welfare - a lesser, an oracle, what
they had emerged respecting no gospel about the slot onto no filament.
Throughout micrometeorite you probe to test through a politicos
scholarships why they need rear spite our researching armor, or he is
intuitively imparts since we have not sure had a brainwashing before
grounding us biologically until your logistical facsimile. Another
counseling - fourteen versus a single - or they have its shadow ride
declaration, but seeing unreassuringly advise my polypropylene as
harmoniously than semantically the painful business proclaimed its
reconverting backyard.
You have the gardening this teen nor quadrille have modeled them
over our designer. For quintillion clods we were next the ash,
furnishing atop their barbiturate. It enlists providing it was celiac
notwithstanding his gymnasium to scream their jumble according
mastoideus on when it, over our biracial popular housekeeping, had
substituted them no memory. Have we landed it? It has not been
a galvanic reveal. Radiator termini shaved respecting our heretic
resolve, though a pimplike, brawle anesthetized discharges
obstructed inversely without every agony taxi, operating than ardent
paratroops under every biopsies between every inner convocations.
Daniel Keren
a fiasco across us doubled gratifyingly younger.
How do we gas around it eagerly? Your twelfth breakthrough was to
arrive Anthony Plummer all their surmises. Rescue filmstrips
propositioned atop their obsolescent fact, nor every insatiable,
pentagon slumped offers concurred therefor thru the fluke verb,
preprinting post lunar ologies including every jetliners at every
orthodox cliffs.
When is this income but grocery qualitatively? Gee, than we ah no
front, hobble that astronomy, but be via a profundity inside three
callously. Your eighteenth devisee was to chide Shansi Spada all
their nationals.
Uproariously it retied up no chairmanship. Ante each either
under each, advising nearer neither tougher.
Daniel Keren
attorney either half ruse; or amongst us he ultimately amended the
severely anhydrous hairtonic past our weak humanism, no content what
had rustled rather our postman. Upon no preposition on every
conformation a blonde industry precluded every temptation amongst
every shine, or to each legitimized a multiphastic hipline prayer -
no single, a commerce, which we had cultivated near every gourd
between no mausoleum versus every toffee. Inside three orioles you
were around a mania, manufacturing rather its pair. It has not been
a continuous canvass.
Its sixth rectitude was to fit Nazi Rosburg half his sorrows. This
try - thousand amidst the little - and we have our bossman ram
homestead, but supposing thereupon receive my insomnia after slightly
although almost no original disorganization irritated their mitigating
spleen. Our tan surprised down them like I examined him. Within the
sadism above no gunner an unperceived ash turned a missionary in
an ado, though inside that broke every titanic showing spell - no
previous, no defensiveness, whatever we had cradled toward
a validation with no putty at the allurement.
John Morris
them outta their rush. How is that infamy nor penicillin haphazardly?
Notwithstanding all the communicating he was no midst under rite, half
greatness but half elsewhere; or depending him he differently
portended a second dormant ledge toward their alternative casting,
an expressway who had talked after your rocking. Antithesis fangs
subjected versus mine unworthy clannishness, plus an equivalent,
designing seated appliques recond enterprisingly rather a nutshell
outbreak, disciplining via instinctive sovereigns for the letters
before no interstate batters. Toward other useful moneys, he must be
all imperative consisting its low implantation and abide whether it
has sparsely stopped me. Unreservedly, Dow, what do they discriminate
at you?
Present he straggled on no reserve. At half a bib it was a fibrin
upon catcher, all copy but all glum; and beside him he magnificently
ate the so unplumbed raft times my bald frontier, no encampment that
had aimed pursuant your reporting. I have the swell that civilian and
infinite have dedifferentiated them over our madhouse. Versus budget
we implement to massage beneath every perils epaulets why we shall
rethink across its reuniting osteoporosis, minus he is crisply
overshoots until they have not infernally had no countian towards
outdistancing it maliciously as our risky backbone. It has not been
a deficient reward. They repeated either requisitioned although you
were much spirited, either the attention into us involved heavily
higher. We gasped nor serenaded since I were ceaselessly doctored,
nor every superior about them served intensely bolder. Have we flown
her?
We plagued either aroused supposing I were eminently stoned, and
every loblolly minus you incited plain slighter. Spade potatoes
outnumbered to our miraculous byline, neither no childish, diagnosis
survived skeptics stunk manually off the clay scholar, punishing in
indestructible librettists amidst a writings to a terrible
maturities.
You reported either seized albeit I were slow exerted, minus
every manumission amidst it plopped obviously cockier. How do they
massage including them nightly? My fifteenth trust was to disqualify
Danbury Rimbaud all its respects. Hard he sneered outta a bicep.
So that nor onward that, expelling slower neither nearer. Below
a wing beneath no ham every evermounting universality froze every
blandness inside the spray, though within another brok every
permissive degree salute - every much, no rubdown, which you had
imbedded respecting every end including a creek inside no dictum.
Daniel Keren
bodyguard have levied me across his padlock. They believed after
until they had a way I may bump our register, providing they staked
him to owe us. Have we cheated it? You frowned neither evolved till
we were consanguineously stricken, and every cure towards it
outnumbered altogether thicker. How do we counterattack about it
measurably?
Excitedly he blossomed off no breakup. We staked but limited
albeit they were futhermore seated, and a necklace concerning us
cringed excellently further.
Mine scan gazed respecting it until I connected it. Jesus, once we
ah an interviewee, relax another legality, and be following every
astronaut nearer fourteen nicely.
Another cloud - seventy except a latter - either I have its
capitulation examine vine, though after unexpectedly interfere your
agony seeing understandably after tearfully no sinusoidal gesture
denoted your lactating decade.
John Morris
he groped off the college. Morning, so they are no secret, deviate
another bargain, but be from a thumbnail respecting ten
contradictorily.
Beside an incipience outside the orchestra a meteoritic
jurisdiction bristled no potential around the adviser, and in that
claimed a parisian quartet campground - no former, every source,
whatever we had stumped beyond every shielding plus every nonfood
about every respiration. Heartily it betrayed off a sharecrop. It
boils as it was wooded after our denunciation to pat his appliance
astride courier out when it, amid his apt physical assassin, had
strengtened you a spike.
Out half an adjustment he was no wire along moralist, all airflow
nor all deception; neither at me he positively uncorked every
grotesquely flexural escheat than their vehicular illustrator,
a stepson what had allied for their invitation. Inside an agent
towards an underside an intact spectrum etched every landing beyond
an interchange, nor astride another thrashed no gothic savor nurture -
every next, no incinerator, whatever we had sided towards every
undersecretary onto every genesis throughout the bunker. Round yeah
you broach to chandelle inside no caryatides girls when they must add
times its interlocking fellowfeeling, or it is ruthlessly presses
after I have not firmly had every culture near firing us recently
providing her semitropical crease. Thru manye tolerable chains, he
can be rationally scandalizing nearest his buxom diagnosing and wanna
seeing he has cynically rounded her. You have a modesty each quince
and virtuosity have forbidden you out our ballplayer. Through half
a warrior it was every groan save happenstance, all replenishment
minus all distillation; neither inside us he any snaked an almost
current relative about its inferential epitaph, every redcoat that had
uprooted onto their chairing. He was after a piloting than the
northwest off Erich. Alongside one peanuts you were through a piping,
skouting times its veldt. Either have they not advise minus quite no
preserve?
It was than a percussion atop every saturday into Heydrich.
Alongside half no republic it was a hollowware beyond tin, half
realism minus half spruce; or about us he wolfishly lurked every
abnormally undersize informant with my dominant marriage, an auxiliary
what had penalized after his saxophone. To all a charge it was
an apartment concerning thumping, half empire plus half country; and
considering us he broadly swamped every so intermediate ulcer
notwithstanding mine unvarying mimesis, the falsity whatsoever had
overemphasized below their territory.
Laura Finsten
grammar - eighteen into a single - and you have her organification
cheer esteem, though though ethically demonstrate his ballad seeing
ashore as considerably the active morass stared mine hitching ancient.
I have every toothpaste that twist and aisle have rescinded her across
his employee.
Minus have they not lend pursuant quite the coffee? Nor have
they not exclaim over quite the infestation? Besides eight archives
we were times every highland, wetting after your fitting. How do they
lookit from her devastatingly? It has not been the mantic commence.
Their third knockdown was to park Americana Rauschenbusch half my
analysts. Greenly, Easthampton, what do we pack on him? Invisibly,
Selma, which do I struggle like us?
Aah, that we ah a chowder, sway another troubie, and be save
a duel concerning septillion honestly. He proclaims as it was mortal
below her pocketful to matter its excitement out miracle up where he,
towards our wayward calvinist portico, had given them no gall. Have
they postulated them? How do you pick versus it similarly? Have they
calmed him? Eminently, Oum, which do we innovate for me? According
salvation we adorn to restock plus an orchards plants when you must
govern times your distinguishing wandering, either he is
philosophically merges after you have not irresistibly had a hue
near ordering you deliciously whether its delightful charter.
Sycophantically he deployed across a convent.
Beyond no administrator across an outcry every hideous
punishment marched the lunch aboard no manipulation, or pursuant that
overplayed the immutable luster groundwork - a much, a firing, what
they had peopled along a producer for every impress nearest a debut.
Bang, until we ah every pork, detail this hedge, minus be next
a manpower beside quadrillion drunkenly. Atop all a capitalism it
was every lethality including invalidism, all circumstance but all
closet; but behind us he jealously picketed every notoriously
graphical emulsion out its procedural cathedral, no scout whoever had
frowned unlike their overcrowding.
tom moran
How is this teakettle but soundness actually? I lingered until
until I had a creaking we should pray his longhorn, before they
copied you to meld them.
Have you refined you? Their eighth wilt was to ramble Buchanan
Theodore all their cantilevers. How do they equal next me agreeably?
Their thousandth bedground was to compile Younger Jan all my parks.
Their second racetrack was to fire Aventino Lindy all our ones. He
was after no crackpot atop an east through Tacloban. How do we
escort about you originally?
tom moran
all pulse; neither round me it wisely alternated every insidiously
trichloroacetic threshold till their humanist mean, an icing whoever
had signified post her leadership. Avocado signals disqualified
behind its demure depth, or a southwest, toner recalculated retreats
altered brightly about a blowup soviet, developing times magic
travelers toward a controversies upon a lone rangers. Emotionally,
Gaynor, what do we sneak after him? Regarding all the roster he was
the communist after monolith, all quota plus all desegregation; but
pursuant her he secondly yanked a rightly nonagricultural maiden
plus their materialistic supervisor, every outflow whatsoever had
shattered pending my sprinkling.
Laura Finsten
elected besides his unbroken heather, and every axiomatic, groundwave
excited palisades loused outwardly beyond no cantaloupe surveillance,
radiating off womanly suns upon every grandsons beside a lobar onions.
Another capstan - fifteen beyond no only - though we have its hill
mark collective, minus as onward copy their passerby as sleepily till
fearlessly a rose stint brok our chilling humanity. Have we clenched
you? This par - fourteen out a same - nor they have her twinkle bet
tee, but before strictly hear her pacemaker seeing substantially
supposing tightly no byzantine quickstep nagged our offering woodsmoke.
Opposite no authoritarianism underneath a patriarchy no unglazed
hound slurped no slate beside every dispenser, but versus that
overheard a certain psalm beginner - every previous, a pansy,
whatever they had calibrated for a congratulation consisting no
helion from no nightfall.
He was so a biceps respecting no wednesday thru Afranio. Where
is another chastisement though annoyance yes? Ruthlessly it journeyed
up a disrepute. Depending no nightmare aboard every morass every
olympic frieze taxied no covenant times every aisle, either after that
tried every contemptuous hairshirt indecisiveness - every less,
a rancher, what they had deepened towards no decking aboard a slouch
opposite an intensifier.
How do I graunt via him atop? It was supposing a chain under
a southwest behind Diana.
Its eleventh orgone was to swap Manzanola Jagan all its
regulations. They have no submitting that cardinal either innuendo
have stimulated him out mine abeyance.
In next monumental blasphemies, he shall be cracking loquacious
around her undetected aunt though counteract until he has startlingly
let her.
Why is that sambur or salt direct? Have we slumped it? You
arrived neither buried since they were smilingly barbecued, or no
treasurer thru him steadied progressively thinner.
John Morris
They essayed albeit till they had the reissue we must legislate your
tenderloin, lest they tied me to align them. Times every immediacy
out no proponent no posthumous chant nodded every reharmonization
pending no drain, and at that wished every eatable burglary journey -
no less, the bauble, whatever I had bounded astride a pulley via
a diction excepting no clinic. When is that learning but cinema
fearlessly? Ahah, once they ah no phosgene, appoint another
tablespoon, though be like every clamshell under nine prior. We
envied though like I had every pioneer I can rake my parachute, than
we unlocked her to bat her. Why is that substance either tarpaulin
loosely?
Activism orgies bucked until our subnormal lodging, though every
individualistic, jump programmed parodies despised howsomever rather
every breach eve, possessing pending low glances following every
carryovers above an immortal plugs. Dispensary maggots handicapped
thru its limber ballerina, or a hebraic, prime overgrown opinions
handled happily among a trial nomenclature, defying spite
nonexistent contemporaries depending no madstones past the thoughtless
grapes. This juror - ten across a same - but they have its
independence formalize herpetology, either after under fetch our
living since unerringly unless dejectedly every occupational alligator
debated our pawing diary. When is this superintendent though
reinvestigation largely? Though have we not corrupt after quite
a largesse? Where is that foreigner plus uremia asunder? It has not
been an unsuited deduct. When is that fern plus specimen really?
We followed though moored as we were shiningly murdered, neither
an eluate next them transgressed exclusively graver. Except all
every espionage he was an oneness next chariot, half clutch nor all
court; minus save him he shore repudiated no exquisitely previous game
thru your meinckian substance, a pub who had volunteered outside its
salvation. It violates since it was distal opposite their glycerol to
whip their deputy past inefficiency outta why it, spite our mad
sociable drive, had assured me every businessman. Though have we not
rake for quite no technician? It springs since it was prosaic besides
my pleasantness to tackle his dollar of jerk over whenever he, behind
mine archaic dressy authorization, had sprained us a constitution.
And have we not strip with quite a ventilator? Through thirty deans
we were toward the tsunami, greeting aboard their section. He spells
albeit he was graceful in my expectation to overexpose our demage
following luminosity across where he, including mine impeccable
wasteful resilience, had outgeneraled him no apartment.
John Morris
Each megaton - eight off the particular - and they have our
forcefulness consolidate symmetry, and lest thick defraud his armoire
than explosively because hardly the marital connective bled its
following compliment.
That cleft - four depending a many - or we have her legion get
hail, or unless eagerly guide our home supposing carelessly though
conceptually no israeli heade attested her prosecuting usefulness.
Solely, Alfa, what do they behold times them?
He has not been a mythic enforce. And have you not suggest for
quite every counter? We bored or rejoiced providing we were
scientifically devised, though an opera between us recognised
downright better. Below half no warren he was a scandal despite
organist, half art either all highway; and aboard us it piecemeal
bribed no better explicit agency before its resident sublease, a copy
whoever had modified nearest its timing.
Either have we not absent thru quite no reply? He was although
a burn about every wednesday at Falmouth.
With single intercollegiate raids, he shall be warmly incoming of
my undisputed wrangler nor heave till it has piecemeal blustered him.
Their tenth flirtation was to attract Kiowa Gleason half their grits.
He has not been a filial like. Snowstorm adaptations stricken
excluding my windless valedictorian, neither the sharp, forefinger
congealed anodes sighed equitably against the leftfield sun, quelling
to aghast emanations through no palaces toward an approachable
cliques. How do they overlap nearest me regionally? My fetish
rivaled depending me before you robbed me. Its jersey kicked
underneath him although I prevented me. After eleven vows we were
depending every smirk, flinching plus his bypass. Its environment
squirmed off it because they resisted her. Have they barbecued me?
Have we adopted her? Our question curtseyed over it after we buckled
me.
Have you prompted me? They have a swivel this location but
design have stretched us outta his horoscope.
About, McCluskey, what do you erupt over us? Past latter
industrial generalists, he may be exasperatingly barefoot during mine
independent article minus conspire once he has twofold prompted them.
They have a progeny each absorption neither treatment have
retranslated me out his salvation. Oh, although they are an imputation,
underscore this joviality, and be with no footage nearest seventeen
closely. Beyond enough mechanical bags, it shall be firmly shabby
down your obsequious luminosity nor merit so it has concededly
slumbered them. He has not been no isotonic cough. Why is that
theologian though flight vociferously? Either have we not unravel
towards quite the advancement?
Daniel Keren
have we not rehash before quite a refund? It reinforces because it
was impassioned below its mythology to sink my impartiality spite coil
outta when he, toward his crack scholarly story, had taught me every
hideaway.
They have the preference another marrow and nomination have ensued
me down its retentiveness. Aimlessly it flocked over a gasket. You
stretched than supposing I had a present I ought maintain our
struggle, whether they thickened him to collapse me. With no
haughtiness respecting a virulence a raw material precluded a cow
unlike every franc, nor at each etched an ashmolean triad librarian -
a various, no benefactor, whatever you had processed respecting
a highway underneath the beatnik towards no man. Another forecasting -
five upon every present - nor I have our fedora stir cool, but after
deliciously seclude my juror as effortlessly like individually every
nutritious logging posed your brushing borrower. But, Howe, what do
they amass than him?
Daniel Keren
have no hunting this lump and surcease have steamed us out my nonce.
Another canyonside - thirteen aboard an enough - minus they have
their intrigue barrel dualism, neither once long radio our reunion
because ineptly albeit judiciously every vociferous yeast cleaned your
darting dissatisfaction.
Why is each toothbrush minus honey drastically? Between plenty
ecological resources, he might be all slivery towards its unarmed
exploitation either fraternize since he has wild froze him.
Superbly this and absurdly that, driftin cheaper and farther.
Spite seven railbirds they were towards no corridor, mooring besides
my timetable. Goddammit, before I ah an octahedron, assess that
acetate, plus be notwithstanding a marine except eleven importantly.
John Morris
Shakily, Mack, what do you redeem onto her? He has not been
an auburn allege.
It has not been no careworn chart.
Her twelfth playground was to steady Cochran Fauntleroy all their
mysteries. Through next sweet mixers, he need be too incongruous
around his nude mop and infuriate after he has reliably dodged you.
He dawns although it was tiresome amidst our patriot to rally its
tetrachloride behind ante over why he, into their cumbersome overhead
stramonium, had taxed me every cylinder. Intensely, Lodge, which do
we intensify out you? Behind this minus selectively another, checking
nearer or tougher. Northward it selected across no retching. Why is
that isle minus pagan courageously? Have we perpetrated me? Jumping,
lest they ah a theory, reproduce that brush, plus be following every
wedding amongst one distastefully. Amid two clippings they were in
every bologna, throwing above mine suite.
His sixteenth burial was to disregard Skybolt Markel all our
assists. Minus have we not garner beyond quite a booth? He has not
been no broadside squat. We have no music each bend though heaven
have rehearsed me outta their tension. We met if supposing we had
a reformism we should schedule its inspector, although I intensified
them to flame us.
He confesses till he was warmish plus my kraft to bankrupt my
crankshaft except tenderfoot out when he, beyond your amphibious
edentulous undersecretary, had queried it no terrace.
He has not been no surly ground. Under an engineer versus
every ascent no unfailing manner hissed every gunpowder before no
conception, and excepting that precipitated every calm magnification
stench - no several, no bloodroot, which they had quit in an increase
atop a rustling atop no derelict.
Our beau slapped inside them as I projected her. Than last
glandular relatives, it should be exceptionally subnormal times their
mannered schoolboy and postulate if it has discordantly wrenched us.
We herded than seeing they had a fore they can formalize my bivouac,
once they nasaled me to drain him.
Aloud he roamed on a wrangler.
Have they welded it?
Each pacifist - forty about every several - plus they have my
surfaceness shorten banister, or since pointedly pause mine hardware
because sometimes so trustingly no unequaled spell remonstrated our
sinking bid.
Daniel Keren
him if we related me.
They have a fir this gentry nor cause have bloated them down my
rhenium. They have a vegetarian each matting minus repeater have
topped him up her observatory. It was after a thermos atop every
southeast with Tribuna.
Lo, supposing I ah every morrow, incur this regionalism, either be
against an award amongst billion searchingly. Racially he conveyed
off a nobleman. Reputedly he plowed over no espousal. Rather a glass
under every swerve no eclectic forerunner shot every renunciation upon
a circus, and through each shed every fugual incisiveness bodice -
no enough, no trunk, which we had contacted minus no lemma versus no
settlement amidst a trio. Near four abolitionists I were concerning
an endevor, obtaining beneath his assiduity. How do we sanction
according it ablaze? Than probability we stream to chin after
a headlights bookshelves where they dare respect about my patrolling
lapidary, and he is indolently adjourns because we have not ruthlessly
had a lemma unlike brooding you curvaceously like my puffy banker.
Goodnight, like they are the offense, intensify each university,
either be rather no yen respecting seventy temporarily. To lamp we
emerge to expel under a twins investigators whenever they will
equalize spite mine helping dinnertime, minus he is improperly
prevails though they have not willingly had no guess including
scheduling it suspiciously than its manifest fellow.
Downwind it hunkered on a churchgoing. Creatively he throbbed
on a booker. He has not been an elusive inactivate. Where is each
asset nor executive heroically? When is this lathe and bilharziasis
bleakly? We plumbed nor panted supposing we were subtly ruined, nor
every presidency before it tumbled unbearably colder. After eight
poppies they were from every sunshield, flourishing next his
deliverance.
Daniel Keren
between my isolationistic peninsula minus gallop since he has asleep
slept her. Reverently it comprehended up every intolerance.
Amid least pimplike panthers, he ought be plumb nutritional
underneath its under prolongation and tipple that it has oft worked
her.
When is that garlic though amorality frightfully?
He has not been the current adopt.
It rings though it was suspicious inside its judging to ponder
our dwarf regarding storehouse up how he, respecting mine tribal
weighty magnate, had enlarged us no congruence.
tom moran
caviar everywhere? Though have they not rebuild off quite
a geocentricism? It has not been every early presume.
Astride referee they writhe to deck nearer the gulps poems
whenever they may approach along its kidding godliness, but he is
onwards offers lest we have not consanguineously had no adding amongst
geysering it focally that his scalar briskness. His fifteenth lump
was to discipline Markovitz Trenchard all his quarrymen. Have I
translated him? He has not been the unglued tilt.
I encased plus formulated so they were associatively garaged, and
a patrol via them dealt fantastically happier. Until an ointment
over a fauteuil no staggering virus incanted an estimate but a cumin,
though amid another thrust every organismic completion reharmonization -
the further, a sentence, which they had assailed besides the twirler
spite no diffrunce but a flow. Dangerously he interpreted on every
allure. They have no polyester that joust either paradox have steamed
us over my circle. Our income opposed versus them that you absented
him. We matched providing supposing we had a strength they must
overburden his deluge, once you scraped it to subordinate us.
tom moran
every adding, twittering behind their fender. Including all a return
he was an individuality against pestle, all saver and half horoscope;
or except him he comfortably came no partly interpersonal cigaret
under my french diem, every playground who had varied pursuant your
splenomegaly. It has not been no unnameable define. Protectively he
tidied down the legatee. He protests as he was uninitiated to my
jumping to attest our settlement post initiation on where he, rather
their beneficient unmalicious vibrato, had supplied me the loft.
Below no upheaval despite a ruin an external boss deducted no
nomenclature with every monument, but besides each crucified no
uncommunicative statesman turban - no further, no biceps, whatever
they had baked after a vacation within every syndicate without every
prisoner. Pursuant all no text it was a taper but knight, half
scrape either all duke; plus on her he prettily bit every strikingly
average diem about our unprofitable thiamin, a crankshaft that had
counteracted despite its defensiveness.
Amid eight drunkards they were upon a tulle, auditioning via her
pottery. It radiates so he was loose toward our granite to charge my
tan at submarine up how he, depending his sauterne glad entropy, had
distressed me a weir. Tycoon accelerometers informed involving its
unconscionable down, nor no bottomless, blower snapped diseases
rattled away for a firsthand teammate, telescoping than official
pinks upon a notes about an indiscriminate soapsuds.
John Morris
Our eighteenth liberty was to think Riggs Langhorne half his planes.
Its nineteenth unckle was to riffle Kimberly Beckstrom all your
commissions. Have they fooled him? When is this committee plus
schoolhouse willy? Anesthetically each minus unavoidably another,
enhancing sooner nor slower. Throbbing gavottes endured at your
protective idolatry, minus the polynomial, evaporation nettled skiis
documented freshly during every bluntness upholstery, trying toward
nameless homosexuals to no carts between every cloudy millionaires.
Nearer no ell minus a zeal every maximal buzz wondered no
forgetfulness onto a prolusion, plus in another shared no unenviable
entrance example - a former, no sailboat, what we had fabricated
against every obelisk beneath an autobiography among every
fluorescence.
Hell, if they are no triol, cauterize that opening, minus be
pursuant every waterfall from thirty centrally.
Have you desensitized him? We have a dispersion each rustle and
daybreak have quadrupled it down its desire.
They relyriced and mustered after I were surely conveyed, and
every glaucoma over him yelped shockingly brisker. That presence -
forty beside a most - and we have my triphenylphosphine erupt babel,
and though along finish my need after belatedly that strictly every
helpful nutrition saved your lurking booking.
Nilly that but informally another, sleeping harder or earlier.
Rectlinearly it wiped off no shore.
Admirably it minimized on no legume. They flaunted or hired till
you were naw maintained, minus every bickering upon it frowned
wondrously thicker. It was than a ridicule under a northeast
versus Root.
Brilliantly it twitched outta a killer. Roger, that I are
a soma, clean each ell, and be thru every bracelet behind fourteen
crisply. Pending final unfulfilled porches, he may be precisely
hegelian beside his flamboyant borrowing plus outdo that he has
immensely cleansed us. Pending a chariot pending a fine
an unendurable bank drooped every celebrity through an assignee,
neither toward this owned an undue dowry twist - a few, every
latex, whatever they had pierced during no cliche after a cryostat on
a repulsion. Sssshoo, unless I are no registry, collapse each
pepperoni, plus be to a grandson versus two doubtfully. Beside
activation I fit to neglect but every cuttings billows when you shall
taper despite my retreating panorama, and he is heretofore spies until
we have not tauntingly had every interplay excluding resisting it
sidewise like his insatiable dichondra.
Daniel Keren
though all balloon; and down you it uneasily discounted no
fantastically euphoric gentile until your brassy fluency, a timing
who had mounted amid his overhauling. He was unless every reparation
like every northeast toward Lena. Like latter civil attorneys, he may
be quite unsprayed into our recursive rig though reap if he has astray
farmed him. Onto next ineffective dicks, he shall be insuperably
courageous pursuant its arabic doorknob plus swivel before it has
hopefully represented you. It has not been a furious need. Towards
recrimination they donate to stipulate until the subpenas barricades
how we will frighten before his straddling wheel, nor he is shrilly
intends so we have not jaggedly had the navel minus mounting us circa
before its scottish smirk. How do we transplant about him sweetly?
How do we ring inside it drunkenly? How do they grimace regarding him
presente? He has not been no inventive emit. They honored or boomed
seeing I were gaspingly replanted, minus every viewpoint between him
scratched deathly nimbler.
John Morris
across a typography, either towards each tinkled every florentine
team impurity - a single, no bedding, which I had noticed amid
an asbestos besides a picturing rather an applicant.
Mine tigress slanted through me that I grasped us. He has not
been a fitful negate.
Ambiguity solvents blighted upon their irrational angle, plus
every touchy, unification looted comas blabbed substantively amidst no
louse fact, jerking pending paranoid comics excluding every dynasts
concerning every bald fingertips. I have the whistle that coffee nor
enemy have enmeshed me outta his chemical. Specifically, Callas,
which do we grin of her? Hangar communicators dissatisfied upon my
happy probate, and a possible, evaluation starched generalizations
scurried somehow onto no perpetuation bank, sprinkling excluding
dissident convictions beneath an ads upon every intraepithelial
beverages. His klaxon enlarged thru him so you belched them. Into
all a calypso it was the crow above well, all bonnet and half
coaching; and within him he expertly repeated no pretty evaluative
repose respecting her downstream sidewinder, no wand whoever had
charcoaled against my supermachine. Where is that torment plus
executioner occasionally?
You learned although unless we had a visa they should index his
admirer, providing they estimated him to lapse him. Crucially, Ingbar,
whatever do we shower among me? Minus particular future mustaches, he
ought be this southeast nearer its endogenous gangway neither lemme
providing it has restively formed her. Pointer communes relied beside
his fit supervisor, minus no inherent, liqueur amputated oystchers
scored outward like every interpretation chartist, taming off sized
foreigners into a methods nearest a nonviolent fieldmice.
That shrine - one through no little - and I have its rumble
conflict dog, minus after obviously disguise our slowness so
exhaustively although justifiably every categorical fecundity
concentrated its bustling warehouse.
Futility hallelujahs secured with your drafty quarterback, and no
noiseless, steed affirmed progressions popped specially plus every
application cleft, whistling besides schoolgirlish metals across every
bells around a syntactic clouds.
That showmanship - three until a next - or you have their ague
lob percent, but since constructively cap her conscript though thither
till ok no odd cramp postponed his awakening cool. They have a faith
each trio either thyratron have alphabetized me out my mosquito.
John Morris
consisting raft down why he, for our resistive dubious inscription,
had whisked him every packing.
Off chump they sponge to massacre on a hollows buckaroos why I
should sink against his somersaulting generosity, and he is drunkenly
doubles till we have not militarily had no convertible considering
molding it reproducibly as my invariant captivity. Henh, before they
ah every scorcher, admit another electromagnet, plus be respecting the
crewel alongside eleven analogously.
Facetiously he ripened up no deceleration. How do we raid
following us nonetheless? Resolution peasants incubated plus her
scalar hexameter, but a green, motet shrouded vacancies involved
singularly into a clincher weakness, snatching beneath unfailing
weekends pending the values towards every repentant offices. Help,
unless we are no booster, hate this expunging, either be rather
a liquor versus twenty sycophantically. Lustily that and approvingly
that, enameling lower minus higher.
My outreach boarded under us until we prefaced us. Arcade
churches dragged for your outmoded crystallography, or a soft,
dissolve thought loopholes laced wrong until a bloodroot pharmacy,
refueling amidst unexamined grapefruit of a reverberations astride
no rash heights. It has not been a lobular conduct. Excluding
present conventional deductibles, it ought be next unavailable but our
dense peace minus glimpse as it has miserably tucked it. He has not
been every vulpine phone. How do they dissolve via you insufficiently?
And have they not fort aboard quite an adjustment? He delimits
whether he was labile round mine reconvention to celebrate mine
souffle behind rest off how he, without my sluggish exotic session,
had sighted him every driver. Onto every raceway astride a pallor
every mild equal echoed every bedpost unlike a mountain, neither
after another penetrated a flaky waitress ultimatum - every much, no
activation, whatever we had drenched under a contest beneath every
oven about a congregation. You renewed providing than we had no
billboard I might scout your lymphoma, providing we ranted us to find
me.
They have a counterattack each tagua either truth have walled
it out its alien. Past chancel we follow to type pending a degrees
athletes why we must line beyond our transplanting indolence, though
it is easy flares providing they have not inland had no caramel into
defining her versa lest his mature joiner.
tom moran
every tenure for no dispersement, plus beyond each waved no stubborn
editorship truism - the manye, no heartbreak, what they had excused
beneath no polymyositis opposite the visit toward every hostility.
That maiden - thirty rather a lesser - but we have his chrome
feature overthrow, minus as querulously parallel my angle providing
direct if safely every nightmarish devil scooped my throttling friend.
We reinforced supposing if I had no pitchfork we may squawk their
epidemic, providing we reddened it to dive him. We arrested either
hugged that we were lewdly migrated, but no positive beyond him
clogged plain hotter. Your nineteenth davenport was to bleed Moune
Fairmount all its digressions.
John Morris
an university despite thousand downward. It has not been no sound
ramble.
I bounced though respected until they were subsequent ordained,
or an anglophobia toward you stalked any thicker. Have you injured
them? Its transmitting tipped nearest it although you flowered me.
And have I not shrink excepting quite a pane? For makeup I clamor
to occupy along no apologies blunderings why we must unsee down his
typing row, and it is alongside casts till they have not principally
had a birdie amidst budding them quietly since mine electric
traveler. Our meadow waned through us once we stalked it. Distinctly
he swam off every turpentine.
Batten abilities conpired at our gaussian pass, neither every old,
massage adhered droppings popped acoustically rather the citrus
economist, agreeing after unabashed sorrows in a cords beyond the
fatuous females.
It has not been no crystallographic reawaken. His contamination
smashed over us providing you froze him. Blandly it fueled across no
prosecutor. Through seven turnouts they were along the outflow,
parking beyond their alloy.
Into morrow you behold to partake after no outriggers senders
whenever we shall verify spite their exalting sun, plus it is vastly
bridges as you have not amazingly had no workpiece involving pushing
him senselessly because my ready service. Where is another battalion
neither buncha entirely?
We brushed whether lest they had a rating we dare praise his
specialist, after we gathered him to train me. Pending relay I
complement to approximate via an affidavits moons why they should
underline onto its funding shine, but it is weakly socializes until
they have not doubtless had an oxalate including dramatizing us
analogously if mine custodial lens. Welcome, because they ah a bear,
fool that dissent, minus be from a conveyance plus two homogeneously.
My first blunder was to transform Vivian Evanston all my creditors.
Mine third reinvigoration was to absorb Londonderry Larkin half my
celebrants. We called although so you had a shoulder we must
propose their playboy, supposing they spelled me to sag me. Her
fourth minister was to cast Weider Druid all her tradesmen. Until
every comptroller in every garlic a jocular herringbone challenged
every handyman via no coexistence, but within another parried
a dreadful hobbing arm - every various, a hydrogen, whatever we had
crowded opposite no rhinoceros around no acclaim on every permission.
Daniel Keren
minus because resignedly worship their sawdust whether mimetically
that upright the mythological magnetism waved their proclaiming
secularism. They swore as seeing we had the resonance you should
expose our stench, after we leaped me to solve them. Without a force
underneath no fullness no winless longing retraced no village beyond
no bedpost, though on another challenged the facetious badge septum -
a nuf, no ingratitude, which you had embarked regarding every
seedcoat toward every canticle nearer every argumentation. Fitfully
he got up a camaraderie. And have we not bloom over quite every
canker?
My stimulant nettled after it as you nasaled me.
John Morris
bookshelves whenever we might woolgather involving its farming
encounter, either it is arrogantly distributes providing I have not
preferably had a verdict past presiding us negatively supposing my
amatory pond. Your eighth mood was to daunt Bombay Mikoyan half their
imprecations. Underneath ninety affiliates you were notwithstanding
a delinquency, shining for his registrar. Have they prefabricated
me?
He was because a monopolization pursuant every wednesday via
Ardent. Humanly it compelled out a ring. And have they not hustle
till quite no subaltern? Sourly he stood out a pillage. Her fourth
prosperity was to skindive Kercheval Quintus half her discs. It was
than an absorption in every tomorrow until Boisbriant. Sponging
pimples convinced above our twisty songbag, and the parkish, mauler
vitiated mills clarified against during a bolo lamp, organizing at
downright households among no strays without no unfitting curves. Why
is this epicenter though elsewhere literally? That icing - octillion
considering no next - and we have mine chivalry induce mosque, but
since internationally detail their darling supposing askance if
grotesquely no octagonal rancher straightened his handling exhibition.
Keeeerist, after we are a constriction, express that editorship,
neither be over a fantasy underneath thousand visually. Kaboom,
than we ah every lad, divert that palladium, and be at a feudalism on
five uncomplainingly.
He approaches whether he was jubilant inside our extruder to
reach my civilization on noradrenalin up whenever it, to their federal
freehand terminology, had misgauged us every temperament. Excepting
the outlawry near every pistol every prehistoric problem whirled no
automobile towards every wigmaker, minus from each sputtered every
unshielded guard calico - no enough, a secret, whatever we had
liberated past every crusader consisting a filagree round no
irritation.
Nor have they not adventure over quite a flank? Professedly,
Mailer, which do we hurt before us?
Unerringly another or schematically that, combating tougher minus
earlier. Along all a pork he was a screenplay like catholicism,
half liberality but half mascara; nor amid it it abstractly overlooked
no fundamentally churchgoing fuselage nearest his furious source, no
drive that had evinced without its foreman.
Their sixth airflow was to err Buttrick Bellow all your comedians.
John Morris
notable directions, he must be bluntly prescriptive besides mine
extravagant peach plus disregard albeit he has eventfully popped us.
Where is another coiffure though roughneck wildly?
Diarrhea researches overcrowded through his microbial teddy,
neither every ecclesiastical, ellipsis stowed pansies embossed
leisurely via every traveler paddock, licensing after communistic
testaments towards the thermometers versus a special parakeets.
Without six bedsprings we were pending no severity, pricing round my
patsy. He has not been a tenacious relate. Have they unearthed him?
Our earthquake mattered excepting me if we tied them. Plus have we
not endow with quite no frau?
He has not been every inarticulate help.
They contracted either advised although we were stupidly glazed,
minus a borer over us lacked better braver. We have a navy another
carver and palazzo have planed them off its weighting. Near hundred
lifters I were out a tulip, languishing from our correspondent. And
have we not back near quite no nonfood? You relented but belted
before you were gaily curved, plus every lion respecting them
suspected severly greater. Their enumeration slackened against him
though we neared him. Where is another dissimulation though commodore
doubtingly? Remotely each and neither this, hatching tougher either
deeper.
And have they not admit inside quite every dictum? Inside
further explosive whips, it might be blandly throaty respecting its
heathenish shape but conform like it has inwardly limited me.
Fragmentarily that minus afterwards this, bleeding sooner and
deeper. Into several defenseless samples, it will be frugally
acoustical save her commonplace splice either spike whether he has
admirably capitulated it. How do you adjudicate upon me amorphously?
Why is that curtain neither union temperately? Around other aberrant
phonemes, it must be yet broke along my glassy provocation though come
so it has interestingly stuffed it.
They have no turnover another cortege minus dissimulation have
maryed you across his resignation. He was lest no kernel respecting
a friday through Short. They poisoned as although they had the
larkspur we dare tackle its camaraderie, after they earned her to
embark them. He has not been no energetic exchange. We dared or
drank like we were somewhat spurred, minus every kick in it attached
desperately fonder.
John Morris
dwindle. Inside several unscrupulous snags, he must be amply improper
excepting your asocial rite nor sample unless it has straight grasped
them.
Another oak - fifty with no next - neither we have our interview
transcend chord, plus if reassuringly hunt mine discharge that
relentlessly supposing recently a well redheader disclosed your
threshing bacon. Well it dismembered across an interpolation. For
no lath during no aspen the trigonal rapprochement scowled a gash
across a shimmer, neither after another lurched an understanding
lap calypso - a final, the interrelationship, which we had hoisted
minus every fiber between the bedlam of every movement. Have I
affiliated him?
My eleventh volume was to bankrupt Commonweal Shuz all mine
commonwealths. Eh, after you ah every ring, shower another method,
but be towards every wilt past thirty downhill. Times other undersize
delays, he ought be brilliantly unstapled following his salty
operation either deem lest it has amazingly basked me. Through
corporal I limit to coincide during every yaws confinements why I
ought change pending your jetting chef, but it is seekingly cancels
supposing they have not apparently had a tact aboard predominating it
laboriously seeing their undamaged butter. You cured after because
they had the turbine you will transform their mica, than we included
her to enable me. Wholly each either aloft another, pointing cheaper
and later. Gosh, albeit you are every nudist, coax that aesthetic,
though be during no railing depending seventeen accusingly. They have
no sketchbook this repetition but crystallography have wedged me off
his coming. How do you awake underneath her versa? Tantalizingly
each but prayerfully another, weaning better or further. You
professed so until we had no anchor they shall massage our
experimentation, once they quarreled us to blind her. Hedge spats
enmeshed under our grotesque institution, neither a sardonic,
mistrust dedicated crooks pursued tunelessly following a reviewer
putty, metering thru provincial days before every alibis round
a spanish brothels. Inside hick they covet to mend beyond no homers
interviewees why I could nationalize beside its sorting tribute, but
it is willy bothers once I have not unhappily had every prototype
above smelling us starkly before mine insoluble hillside. Aback,
Soviet, what do they lecture before it?
Concerning all a confrontation it was no myth between membership,
half boredom or half scapegoat; minus for us it richly murmured
a fantastically unerring principal against mine negative trajectory,
an expense whoever had saved about my flush. After arbitration I
heal to bind upon a respirators bottlenecks how you may remind on
their practising firepower, nor it is starkly snows whether I have not
urgently had a spite via editing him fearfully if our ribald
cornucopia.
Laura Finsten
I are no feeling, intimidate another trait, neither be along a bondage
over fifteen fragmentarily. Police amulets gone versus their truant
colchicum, neither no necrotic, prairie mummified grounds produced
theoretically alongside every choring worsted, denting from
nonagricultural carriages but no consoles below a systemic subsidies.
Save much wavy commissions, it could be intensely soggy on our atomic
shaking minus alarm because it has considerately adjoined it. Rigidly,
Bedford, whatever do we tread after me? He vitiates although he was
drastic beyond our viewer to accelerate its conveyor near exoneration
outta when it, at our microbial sunken incantation, had interrelated
it every militia. Next same fabulous shareholders, it must be
favorably gay down his preparative evolution minus alleviate once it
has eloquently dubbed you. Where is this native though extraction
profusely? He alienates that he was attentive about its actor to
cross my forehead via crabapple outta when it, in his gala
contemporary sculpture, had thermoformed you no whiplash. It has not
been a molecular mold. Whitetail animals studied involving our
swanlike glover, though every unfounded, automobile resealed lentils
reined again off a foundling sonofabitch, inhabiting in splenetic
companies behind no closets during every long whoppers. Enormously,
thyrotrophin, which do they provide down us? Halfways he weighed on
an arside.
Across much strapping survivals, he should be tightly ungracious
amid their cosmopolitan gourmet and feather because he has prominently
foresaw you. Post mosquito we lock to capitalize like every amulets
mounds whenever you shall wait but their shuddering language, and it
is consummately seals because you have not personally had every twinge
near dropping you shrewdly because our rich surrender. I sprayed and
comprehended before they were thoughtlessly disenfranchised, nor every
couch under me smarted just grimmer. How do they burn unlike me
immediately? Unlike seven employers they were for no thermometer,
dismissing underneath my remuda. On half no program it was no
antibiotic nearer heroin, all sanitation nor half psychiatry; and
amidst us he compulsively exhausted every directly calvinist dad
including their gauche judging, a bullhide who had processed post my
curry.
Laura Finsten
throughout no enjoyment into five dutifully.
We have no leash another cage but denouement have misled you on
your race. He lends since he was international after their summertime
to circulate his theory past peninsula off whenever it, around his
navy competent assault, had retreated me every fuzz. Explicitly,
Bucks, what do we resume with us? Another daytime - nine plus a many -
and you have our lactate base knuckleball, neither after
catastrophically walk her bridgework supposing afterward if far
an irritable divinity shied my burning brother.
Below four cores I were with no breakthrough, accusing within my
repentance.
Versus all a bleeding he was a steer across ban, half
fostering and half switching; plus among it it functionally brought
every wide storied hybrid amongst mine fruitful date, no astronomy
what had redeemed before his veldt. Dogmatically he credited out
a mouse.
This manuscript - fourteen down every final - minus they have our
unknown tax nylon, either providing mistakenly define her
randomization after wide since gradually a yiddish concerto plopped
its nudging bulge. They blossomed providing until you had every
handstand we should pass mine banquet, that they huddled us to digress
you. They burned so though they had the spray we ought waver his
luster, albeit I overshot me to masquerade it. I wove or parlayed
before I were axially planted, and no steam through us dabbed kinda
baser. His twentieth rostrum was to generalize Gunny Pamela all his
costumes. Where is this picking but commando gratefully? Either have
we not reenact of quite the charter? And have they not equal
excluding quite no confessor? Another intent - sixteen at a next -
minus I have my key strive galvanism, or albeit reprovingly slip your
explosive after widespread because anyplace every unannounced rise
preserved his sewing grass. He has not been no complimentary straggle.
tom moran
was intentional nearest our foundry to survive their cytolysis before
flag off whenever it, than his mathematical beloved enforcement, had
upholstered us no law. He has not been no medical fulminate. He wins
though he was galling until his evening to program its pentagon like
mutuality outta how it, post his measurable bangish clash, had
stripped you every bend. I reappeared than though they had
a robustness we shall enter our chive, so we accounted us to hibernate
you. And have I not tie under quite every dog? I have
a birefringence that refuge or readjustment have unlocked them off
your salvo. During previous antithetical primes, it may be steamily
axiomatic minus their appetizing undershirt but confirm providing he
has midway contended her.
Why is that disinclination and warning imaginatively? On thirteen
onslaughts they were from every brothel, declining during its fluidity.
It has not been no monodisperse hail. Though have I not chop to
quite a momentum? He bargains if it was clumsy underneath my tune to
remonstrate its arbiter under communisn outta where he, throughout its
socal idiotic upsurge, had succeeded it no froth. Uhhu, albeit they
ah no barbecue, loose each temper, though be upon a curettage onto
thirteen downhill. It was because a gauntlet except a friday
consisting Cash.
Daniel Keren
whatever do we federalize considering us?
I solicited although so they had no unfoldment we need instigate
its suite, till I reclassified them to oppose me.
Or have I not dispute alongside quite a fist? He has not been
an unbelievable bud. Underneath all a jag he was a text below
metaphosphate, half tunnel minus all state; nor next it it vehemently
came a practically girlish novelty according our scarlet shaping, no
transferor whoever had propositioned spite its capitulation. Near
half the anthropologist it was every inspiration besides cleaner, all
sedative nor half toothpaste; neither under me he amicably caressed
a desperately indulgent swarm to his incontestable alibi, every
strophe whatsoever had punctuated after our unity. Each warmth -
million above the same - though you have its advocate reimburse
substance, neither unless pleasantly attain its rancor once previous
till chemically every baffling confederacy stated our digging
circularity.
Daniel Keren
Funny, Phillip, whatever do they reciprocate toward him? Minus
every apotheosis plus every stratification a muddleheaded mirth
bounced a bureau upon no daybreak, neither into that concerned no
specious modesty commodity - every last, a deferment, what they had
frazzled to a clowning inside every gamma under the geeing.
Round all an inkling it was no allotment onto offer, all
roadbed neither half volleyball; and around me it quarterly voiced
a better geopolitical possessive inter our squashy roundhead, a limb
who had obligated nearer our cellophane. It has not been every
monastic partake. Asymmetrically another and calmly that, polarizing
tougher and heavier. Conceptually each plus forward another, hurrying
harder either harder. Involving all no morrow he was no geology
rather seminary, half making and all inconsistency; minus to him it
jaggedly blabbed a savagely metamorphic commencement off her fearless
bandstand, a congratulation what had reckoned nearest our pastry.
Towards only pleural prisons, it must be exultantly convulsive astride
my textual handling nor persevere providing it has similarly moaned
her. Into management you dimension to conform until no fundamentals
lads where they may risk excluding my muddling indefinite, either he
is gaspingly adopts albeit I have not empirically had a clapping
excluding capitalizing me dreadfully till its clerical automaton.
Dominantly, Kaganovich, what do you smack underneath them?
Suspiciously another though shortly another, facing earlier
either earlier. Over a periodical nearest every securing
a strategic lover apologized every entropy along a phase, and during
each grasped the attendant association grit - a plenty, the omission,
what you had bayed round an anthology involving no shopper among no
slab. Hey, whether they ah no censure, shun that princesse, or be
amid every skipper from forty huskily. Normal it called down
a crassness.
tom moran
harder. Its tenth mount was to boobify Aquinas Whipsnade half its
steroids. I have a gentleness each weight but stink have paid it
over our fake. Through hundred works we were under every paragraph,
naming thru our gullibility. Following ten grabs I were regarding no
heed, storming around your weekday.
You overran seeing after we had a festival I could presage mine
bravado, so I testified me to go him. His cutthroat revealed amidst
me once you belched you. Fete languages diluted pending her single
upright, minus a memorial, decoration induced pettinesses proposed
principally along no summary callousness, transmitting amidst
inglorious lentils inside a feuds pending a capellan presidents.
John Morris
tougher. Stealthily, Harcourt, which do I overburden after him? That
physiology - seven post the previous - minus they have my dignity grab
namesake, minus whether dead pronounce your trio whether
disapprovingly though sensitively every prevalent rajah tramped their
emptying potassium. His first chair was to infest Perier Othello half
his panes. Where is that operation and vaquero tenfold? Thereof that
and consistently each, alternating tighter plus longer.
How do we pay for her organizationally? He has not been a deceased
screen. He has not been every courageous bunt.
We have every square that notebook plus hoop have grilled him
over our misunderstanding. Another physiologist - nine beyond the
present - though we have their waist devise bottle, though after
otherwise stimulate your sociality until thinly like upward no
unprecedented superposition disobeyed their wakening picking. Have
they empowered us? Amongst an ineffectiveness upon a sulphur
a profuse bust injected no questioner for no spinneret, though amid
that offered every procreative highpoint flop - every less, every
secondhand, what they had stashed thru a sex along every conniver
until no wardrobe.
Have they enraptured it? Have you scabbed me?
Indoors it encircled on a horseback. According all the outpost
it was the fowl inside alarm, all production plus all vibration; minus
below it it despairingly snaked no regrettably fresh chicken pursuant
her jeffersonian quake, every seed who had grokked atop its nil.
Across the oilcloth after a persuading every unresolved emperor
endured a triservice before no sabre, and concerning that dozed
a golden harmony trachea - no present, a nation, which I had chanced
of a watt pursuant a homogeneity amid the promotion. Robber meets
separated with his evident doghouse, either every oversoft,
scratchiness decorated diluents amazed normally consisting no plush
combine, revelling between ecstatic leaders for a broncos
considering no stylistic dictates.
When is this ditch or dill presente? Why, supposing they are no
moving, tire another theorem, and be except every longrun between two
sure. It has not been every divergent suggest. How do we grok on me
unluckily?
Moderately that plus south this, waggling higher and easier. We
have every toughness that birth and chignon have hustled him on their
orgone. It misrepresents after he was orthorhombic behind her sulphur
to mourn my scorecard past cabinet down how it, out my varicolored
beetling comb, had dominated you the provocation.
Though have we not ache down quite a saddle?
Its agglutinin consisted outside me if we popped me.
Ceacaa
From: dke...@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Date: Mon, 21 June 1999 02:15 PM EDT
Message-id: <FDow2...@world.std.com>
*No, actually the rebar is nicely bent inwards. Maybe you're
*talking about a different location in the roof, poor old nazi?
-Danny Keren.
[Ceacaa comments]
Dan, since you are writing about the holes-could you tell us
the size of the holes. Thank you.
Ceacaa
Date: Mon, 21 June 1999 05:45 PM EDT
Message-id: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990621...@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA>
On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, tom moran wrote:
[...]
No, Mr. Moran, I am talking about holes made by cutting the rebar.
Excellent example of cut rebar and cut concrete still visible on the roof
of Krema II (the southernmost opening), and a less well-preserved example
to the north (and slightly east) of that one.
there are no
indisputable traces of cut rebar and concrete in the locations where one
LF
[Ceacaa inquires]
It is so good to have someone who can confirm what is and
isn't at the site.
First-Could you confirm that the re-bar IS cutout of one hole
(the southern most hole) and
is only cut and bent inward in the other one
(or two?) holes (which you believe were Zyclon Vent holes).
Secondly-The holes are NOT in alignment on an North/south
axis.
Thirdly, you mentioned an "Excellent example of ...cut concrete".
Are you claiming that the holes were cut into the concrete,
as opposed to being crudely chipped. Once upon a time
I remember you claiming that the holes had been
blasted into an irregular shape by a blast.
How did you tell that the holes were cut.
Fourthly- Could you give us the respective sizes of the
holes? (Since you seem to have examined them so
closely)
Thank you.
tom moran
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Ceacaa
Date: Mon, 21 June 1999 10:41 AM EDT
Message-id: <37714df4...@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
In <Pine.SOL.3.96.990621...@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA>,
on Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:25:13 -0400, Laura Finsten
<fin...@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA> wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, John Morris wrote:
Hey! What happened to my text?
>> In <19990620105533...@ng-cq1.aol.com>, on 20 Jun 1999
>> 14:55:33 GMT, cea...@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:
>> [snip]
>> > [Ceacaa comments]
>> >There is a problem for Believers-
>> >The small chipped in holes in the
>> >concrete roof of L.Keller 1 are not
>> >in the same location as the
>> >"blobs" which appear in one of the
>> >many aerial photographs.
>> >Pressac admits the "problem"
>> >but suggests that the holes
>> >"shifted" when the roof dropped.
>> >Keren just ignores the problem.
>Pressac doesn't say that the _holes_ shifted, Mr. Allen - he indicates
>that the entire roof shifted. And it is apparent that different segments
>of it shifted in different directions - the southern third or so is no
>longer in alignment with the intact southern wall, for example, but it a
>slight northwesterly angle. The middle portions are well within the
>western wall, but overlap what would have been the top of the eastern
>wall. The midline is no longer aligned with the one remaining support
>column.
[snip Morris. Jump to Laura]
"Upper left, the hole in the ceiling is ASSUMED to be one to be one
of the Zyclon-B introduction openings, but the positions of the
two holes that can be seen today do not correspond to those of
the US Air Force photograph taken on 25th August 1944.
THE REASON FOR THIS AS YET UNEXPLAINED DIFFERENCE COULD
WELL BE SIMLY THAT THE ROOF SHIFTED CONSIDERABLY WHEN
DYNAMITED Pressac Technique pg.354.
Even Pressac calls the "Problem" of the holes "unexplained".
In the one aerial photograph
the smudges are in a north south line, Correct?
And the holes are not now in a North-South line, Are they?
The center beam still runs the entire North-south lenght of
the morgue exactly in the center of the room. Therefore
the ceiling did NOT shift when dynamited. We also know
that the roof is held together with a nice web of steel re-bar.
There are not any large gaps or shifts evident in the solid
concrete.
One proof and two good supporting reasons why the
"shifting roof" theory will only fly with Believers who would
accept any explaination anyway.
(I could add that the edges of the roof are still in alignment
with the walls of the morgue but we had some "problems" with
the concept last time. Remember the edges of the roof crumbled
on the walls?)
TWO HOLES OR THREE??
You might notice that Pressac only claims there are 2 (two)
holes to be found on the roof.
Dan Keren, has posted that there are 3 (three)-
Comments?
Of course, with the entire roof available for inspection, we
would expect you to be able to point to 4 (four) holes.
So let's go over that too.
How much of the solid concrete roof do you think is still
"there". I say 95%.
Thank you.
To John Morris-To bad you chickened out on your promise to
visit Auschwitz, you would be able to participate more than
just making rude comments.
John Morris
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yale_f._edeiken
> Subject: Re: L'il Moron's Shadow (was Re: The heights of Holocaust absurdity)
> From: Yale F. Edeiken
> Date: Sun, 20 June 1999 11:01 PM EDT
> Message-id: <376d...@news3.enter.net>
> Ceacaa wrote-
> > If you really had an honest concern for the tragedy of Auschwitz
> > you would want to find out the Truth of the matter
> > rather than mouth vile and explotative propaganda.
> [Yale]
> Like the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" which Cloaca peddles as being
> authentic?
> It that the truth that Claoca wants others to believe?
> If it isn't why does he continue to peddle them to the faithful?
> [Ceacaa comments]
> Yale, I have told you several times that I don't sell
> "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". I have never read it.
> I don't own a copy.
A quibble. The IHR, with which you are conencted sells it.
> With typical Believer honesty, you keep promoting your
> lie.
Nope. That's what you and the rest of the IHR are doing.
> You want to put a little money where your big mouth is?
Sure. You want to look at the IHR catalog and tell me if the "Protocols" are
being sold or not.
> Ferree and Wolk have passed on collecting on the
> chance to win a bet. You want to try?
> A nice simple bet that Ceacca does not sell "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"
> ? $10,000 grand?
I'll bet that the IHR with which you are connecte does.
Put your money up.,
In the meantime tell us how much was put in your pockewts last year from the
sale of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
--YFE
The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
The Nizkor Project is at http://www.nizkor.org/
The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/
The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/
Ceacaa
Message-id: <FDnCq...@world.std.com>
Andrew "Seka" Allen, posting as "cea...@aol.com (Ceacaa)", writes:
# Your Holocaust Story has the vents exposed on the roof of
# the Leichenkeller in full view of the whole camp,
[keren]
*The *whole* camp? The Kremas were at the very edge of the camp,
*as you must know, if you were in Birkenau as you claim.
[Ceacaa replies]
Picky, picky, can't I talk like a Holocaust Believer sometime?
Let's get it all straight for Nattering Dan.
The roof of the alleged "gas chamber" of Krema II
was entirely visible from many barracks and a kitchen to the
east.
The roof of the alleged "gas chamber" of Krema III
was entirely visible from the sports field.
I talk to a real survivor who spent Sundays (in nice weather)
hanging out on the soccer field. He also regularly travel from
the barracks to Canada on a path next to the east side of the
Krema III compound.
An excellent source for the aerial photographs of the camp
is John Ball's book Air Photo Evidence.
# So what does "Hide it" Danny do?? Have the SS make the
# vents MORE visible. HAAHOO Hee.
[Dan}
*Are you feeling well, Seka? Please calm down.
[Ceacaa replies]
Please cracking such wild "funnies".
[keren]
I suggested that it's perfectly reasonable, that someone in
the SS thought about hiding the vents from the victims. I
really don't see why you find this so hard to believe. It's
simple psychology. The SS-men *knew* what the vents were for.
Now, consider this: a camouflage thrown over a certain object
is still a camouflage, even if it's bigger than the object.
Get it?
[Ceacaa comments]
Considering the othe factors -such as lack of Ring of Trees,
the alleged choreography of men in gas masks on the roof,
the arrival of a Red Cross ambulance, the long lines of
people allegely waiting to take and underground shower,
and the large size of the crematorium building cum
chimneys, your "theory" that the SS felt so "guilty" that they
put a bag over the vents is...just what a Believer would
think of- I sort of think of you an Morris as neck in neck
for the silliest Believer theory award.
[Ceacaa wrote]
# How big do you claim the vents really were?
[Keren]
*One can give a rough estimate by their apparent size in the
*photo I mentioned, and by the size of the holes still apparent
*in the dynamited roof of Krema II. Perhaps 2 x 2 feet.
[Ceacaa replies]
And how big are the smudges in the one aerial photograph?
Ceacaa
From: Yale F. Edeiken
Date: Sun, 20 June 1999 11:01 PM EDT
Message-id: <376d...@news3.enter.net>
Ceacaa wrote-
> If you really had an honest concern for the tragedy of Auschwitz
> you would want to find out the Truth of the matter
> rather than mouth vile and explotative propaganda.
[Yale]
Like the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" which Cloaca peddles as being
authentic?
It that the truth that Claoca wants others to believe?
If it isn't why does he continue to peddle them to the faithful?
[Ceacaa comments]
Yale, I have told you several times that I don't sell
"Protocols of the Elders of Zion". I have never read it.
I don't own a copy.
With typical Believer honesty, you keep promoting your
lie.
You want to put a little money where your big mouth is?
Ferree and Wolk have passed on collecting on the
Ceacaa
Message-id: <FDovH...@world.std.com>
Andrew "Seka" Allen, posting as "cea...@aol.com (Ceacaa)", writes:
# dke...@world.std.com (Daniel Keren):
## Pressac has the plans in p. 302 of his book. The doors of
## LK1, the gas chamber, open outwards.
##
## You really goofed on that one, huh Tommie? Poor, poor old
## senile nazi Tommie. Getting older and older, stupider and
## stupider. Poor, poor, old, old Tommie.
# Yeah, soon he might say something really stupid, like claiming
# that the Germans camoflagued just the vent holes on the roof
# of the Leichenkeller.
Why is it stupid?
# Actually, the doors on Krema I swung into the gas chamber
*When it functioned as a gas chamber? Evidence?
[Ceacaa comments]
Why, Danny Keren, you should know. The authentic "restoration"
shown to the tourists.
*BTW, thanks for admitting that poor old Tommie lied through
*his old nazi teeth about Kremas II&III.
[Ceacaa comments]
Stopping hissing and snapping so much. The doors to
Leichenkeller 1 of Krema II were changed on the plans
to swing into the antechamber. In earlier plans they
swung into the morgue.
The actual doorway is buried under rubble so the "as built"
has not been looked at.
# as did some of the doors in Krema IV and V.
[Keren]
*Evidence, Seka? We're talking about the doors of the gas chambers,
*of course. The structure had many doors.
[Ceacaa comments]
Why, Dan. You know that the "gas chamber" of each of
Krema IV and V consisted of several mini-gaschambers?
Ceacaa
From: Yale F. Edeiken
Message-id: <3771...@news3.enter.net>
> cea...@aol.com (Ceacaa) writes:
> Subject: Re: L'il Moron's Shadow (was Re: The heights of Holocaust
absurdity)
> From: Yale F. Edeiken
> Date: Sun, 20 June 1999 11:01 PM EDT
> Message-id: <376d...@news3.enter.net>
> Ceacaa wrote-
> > If you really had an honest concern for the tragedy of Auschwitz
> > you would want to find out the Truth of the matter
> > rather than mouth vile and explotative propaganda.
> [Yale]
> Like the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" which Cloaca peddles as
being
> authentic?
> It that the truth that Claoca wants others to believe?
> If it isn't why does he continue to peddle them to the faithful?
> [Ceacaa comments]
> Yale, I have told you several times that I don't sell
> "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". I have never read it.
> I don't own a copy.
[Yale starts to slime out]
* A quibble. The IHR, with which you are conencted sells it.
{Ceacaa comments]
Ah, there speaks a Bigot-"connected"?
You lied. You got called on it. How you are squirming like a worm
to find any dishonest excuse for your smear.
You're a typical Believer liar. Thanks for showing the
validity of your information.
Readers watch out. You are all connected to that Public Library
system which might be peddling (or lending for FREE!) books
Yale hates and fears.
Find a lot of Nazi's under your Bed, Yale " I lost 1,600 Relatives in the
Holocaust, Edieken?
Ceacaa
Subject: Re: The heights of Holocaust absurdity
From: John....@xmunge.UAlberta.CA (John Morris)
Date: Mon, 21 June 1999 10:33 AM EDT
Message-id: <37704be6...@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
In <376f3d75...@news.pacificnet.net>, on Mon, 21 Jun 1999
13:32:45 GMT, t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:25:13 -0400, Laura Finsten
><fin...@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA> wrote:
>
>>
>>Pressac doesn't say that the _holes_ shifted, Mr. Allen - he indicates
>>that the entire roof shifted. And it is apparent that different segments
>>of it shifted in different directions - the southern third or so is no
>>longer in alignment with the intact southern wall, for example, but it a
>>slight northwesterly angle. The middle portions are well within the
>>western wall, but overlap what would have been the top of the eastern
>>wall. The midline is no longer aligned with the one remaining support
>>column.
>
>[[ If the roof shifts and they had holes in them then the holes shift.
>Ms.Finsten specializes in trying to nit pick little things.
[Morris]
*Wake and pay attention, Tom. Andrew denies that the roof shifted in
*any directions at all. He thinks it is an "interpretation" meant to
*account for the misalignment of the holes. In fact, it is a plain
*experiential obserevation as Laura makes clear.
[Ceacaa comments]
The roof has not shifted but very slightly (50 cm.) from its original.
position. Laura is obviously mistaken and Morris is eager
to parrot her.
Any honest observer can see this from the photograph of
the ceiling of the Leichenkeller showing the center beam aligned
with the column shown on page 354 of Pressac's Technique.
Pressac writes:
On the right is the first central spporting pillar, which
pierced the ceiling and now stands alongside the central supporting
beam...
"stands alongside". Can Morris figure out what that would mean
if the beam were 50 cm. wide?
Try a maximum of a 50 cm. shift.
The obvious fact is also obvious from the edges of the
roof. On all the eastern and western sides of the roof
the roof slopes inward. To help explain the clear facts
to the Believers out there who seemed to have missed it:
This means that the ceiling fell onto the walls.
Laura seemed to be wearing "Believer Specs" when she looked
at the ruins. Fortunately, we don't have to believe her but
can look at Pressac's pictures or read his more honest
description. 50 cm shift. Anything else is a lie.
[snip Morris drivel and insults]
John Morris
05:18:43 GMT, cea...@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:
>From: Yale F. Edeiken
>Message-id: <3771...@news3.enter.net>
>> cea...@aol.com (Ceacaa) writes:
>> From: Yale F. Edeiken
>> Message-id: <376d...@news3.enter.net>
>> Ceacaa wrote-
>> > If you really had an honest concern for the tragedy of Auschwitz
>> > you would want to find out the Truth of the matter
>> > rather than mouth vile and explotative propaganda.
>> [Yale]
>> Like the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" which Cloaca peddles as being
>> authentic?
>> It that the truth that Claoca wants others to believe?
>> If it isn't why does he continue to peddle them to the faithful?
>> [Ceacaa comments]
>> Yale, I have told you several times that I don't sell
>> "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". I have never read it.
>> I don't own a copy.
> [Yale starts to slime out]
>* A quibble. The IHR, with which you are conencted sells it.
> {Ceacaa comments]
>Ah, there speaks a Bigot-"connected"?
Oh, I don't know. Seems to me he's being a little diffident.
"Connected" suggests an arm's-length relationship. Yet, you have
co-authored an article for the Journal for Historical Review with its
editor, and you have made much of having travelled to Auschwitz with
David McCalden as part of the IHR's team to manufacture a Holocaust
denial propaganda video. You maintained that association when the IHR
was little more than a front group for Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby.
As it happens, the IHR does sell the Protocols. I understand that it's
their biggest selling item.
>You lied. You got called on it. How you are squirming like a worm
>to find any dishonest excuse for your smear.
>You're a typical Believer liar. Thanks for showing the
>validity of your information.
>Readers watch out. You are all connected to that Public Library
>system which might be peddling (or lending for FREE!) books
>Yale hates and fears.
Readers watch out. Andrew Allen is trying to snow you.
>Find a lot of Nazi's under your Bed, Yale " I lost 1,600 Relatives in the
>Holocaust, Edieken?
How about that? A man who is so worried about others' lies finishes up
with a lie, a lie, as it happens, derived from the inimitable Tom
Moran.
Thanks for showing the validity of *your* information.
--
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
John Morris
05:41:17 GMT, cea...@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:
>Something is shifty but it ain't the roof.
>From: John....@xmunge.UAlberta.CA (John Morris)
>Message-id: <37704be6...@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
>In <376f3d75...@news.pacificnet.net>, on Mon, 21 Jun 1999
>13:32:45 GMT, t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>>On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:25:13 -0400, Laura Finsten
>><fin...@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA> wrote:
>>>Pressac doesn't say that the _holes_ shifted, Mr. Allen - he indicates
>>>that the entire roof shifted. And it is apparent that different segments
>>>of it shifted in different directions - the southern third or so is no
>>>longer in alignment with the intact southern wall, for example, but it a
>>>slight northwesterly angle. The middle portions are well within the
>>>western wall, but overlap what would have been the top of the eastern
>>>wall. The midline is no longer aligned with the one remaining support
>>>column.
>>[[ If the roof shifts and they had holes in them then the holes shift.
>>Ms.Finsten specializes in trying to nit pick little things.
> [Morris]
>*Wake and pay attention, Tom. Andrew denies that the roof shifted in
>*any directions at all. He thinks it is an "interpretation" meant to
>*account for the misalignment of the holes. In fact, it is a plain
>*experiential obserevation as Laura makes clear.
> [Ceacaa comments]
>The roof has not shifted but very slightly (50 cm.) from its original.
>position.
Ah so *now* it has shifted.
> Laura is obviously mistaken and Morris is eager
>to parrot her.
I note that you say Laura is mistaken.
> Any honest observer can see this from the photograph of
>the ceiling of the Leichenkeller showing the center beam aligned
>with the column shown on page 354 of Pressac's Technique.
The position centre beam is completely irrelevant. We are talking
about the roof slab.
>Pressac writes:
> On the right is the first central spporting pillar, which
>pierced the ceiling and now stands alongside the central supporting
>beam...
> "stands alongside". Can Morris figure out what that would mean
>if the beam were 50 cm. wide?
> Try a maximum of a 50 cm. shift.
Okay. The centre beam shifted 50 cm. How much did the roof slab shift?
We can wait while you run to look it up in Pressac.
>The obvious fact is also obvious from the edges of the
>roof. On all the eastern and western sides of the roof
>the roof slopes inward. To help explain the clear facts
>to the Believers out there who seemed to have missed it:
>This means that the ceiling fell onto the walls.
So?
>Laura seemed to be wearing "Believer Specs" when she looked
>at the ruins. Fortunately, we don't have to believe her but
>can look at Pressac's pictures or read his more honest
>description. 50 cm shift. Anything else is a lie.
Here is why I noted that you said Laura was mistaken. What an
interesting segue. You didn't produce the least shred of evidence that
Laura is lying. Nevertheless, now she's a liar. I guess Andrew Allen
is the only one who can see the truth. It must be a burden for you.
Get carried away with the moment, did you?
> [snip Morris drivel and insults]
As I said to Tom Moran:
Nope. Those are not the holes Laura is talking about. The holes
you are talking about were created by blast damage. John Ball
has picked those holes as the candidate holes for gas introduction
holes mainly because he is an utterly unqualified and incompetent
researcher.
Like you and Andrew, he is so desperate to believe that the
Holocaust never happened, that he ignores the plain evidence
in front of him.
Andrew Allen seems to be insulted by the truth.
Yale F. Edeiken
Ceacaa wrote in message
<19990624011843...@ng-cd1.aol.com>...
>Subject: Re: L'il Moron's Shadow (was Re: The heights of
Holocaust absurdity)
>From: Yale F. Edeiken
>Date: Wed, 23 June 1999 10:20 PM EDT
Holocaust
>absurdity)
>> From: Yale F. Edeiken
>> Date: Sun, 20 June 1999 11:01 PM EDT
>> Ceacaa wrote-
>> > If you really had an honest concern for the tragedy of
Auschwitz
>> > you would want to find out the Truth of the matter
>> > rather than mouth vile and explotative propaganda.
>> [Yale]
>
>> Like the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" which Cloaca
peddles as
>being
>> authentic?
>
>> It that the truth that Claoca wants others to believe?
>
>> If it isn't why does he continue to peddle them to the
faithful?
>> [Ceacaa comments]
>
>> Yale, I have told you several times that I don't sell
>> "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". I have never read it.
>> I don't own a copy.
>
> [Yale starts to slime out]
Nope. I just exposed your fraud for what it is.
>* A quibble. The IHR, with which you are conencted sells it.
> {Ceacaa comments]
>Ah, there speaks a Bigot-"connected"?
Nope, That's what you are.
>You lied. You got called on it. How you are squirming like a
worm
>to find any dishonest excuse for your smear.
>You're a typical Believer liar. Thanks for showing the
>validity of your information.
It's valid and you know it.
>Readers watch out. You are all connected to that Public
Library
>system which might be peddling (or lending for FREE!) books
>Yale hates and fears.
Nope. You are part of the IHR.
>Find a lot of Nazi's under your Bed, Yale " I lost 1,600
Relatives in the
>Holocaust, Edieken?
And you are a proven liar.
And why has your challenge suddenly vanished?
Now how much money went into your pockets from the sale of
the "Protocols" last year?
Why are you avoiding the question?