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Debunks

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Feb 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/27/99
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This is for Phil Nancy:

You say that "I" am responsible for what is posted on codoh? Hardly.

I checked the page you referred me to in Die Hexe (138) and there was no
reference to shrunken heads. Perhaps they had access to a different edition?
You should ask them. I am hardly their designated spokesperson.

Now, simply for purposes of cross checking, I also referred to Vorsich
Faelshung, and there was no reference to heads on that page either.

However, on page 211 there is a photo of one of these infamous "shrunken
heads" with the follwoing caption:

Schrumpfkopf suedamerikanischer Herkunft, von der allierten Propaganda als
"Beweis deutscher Barbarei" praesentiert.

Translation for the truth impaired:

Shrunkenhead of South American origin, which was presented by Allied propaganda
as "Proof of German Barbarity."

Game, set, match.

PHILNANCY

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In >Message-id: <19990227165852...@ng99.aol.com>

> deb...@aol.com (Debunks)wrote:

You pathetic moron. You think a simple assertion that something is of South
American origin is evidence that it is of South American origin.

But thanks for confirming that Codoh's reference for the Shrunken heads, which
DavidM apparently believes, is actually worthless. And thanks for helping us
see your original claim to the same effect was as well.

Joe, do ever get anything right?

Philip Mathews

"Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing
knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant
than would take even a little trouble to acquire it." Samuel Johnson


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Debunks

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Feb 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/27/99
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>Subject: Re: Shrunken Heads and Shrinking Lies
>From: phil...@aol.com (PHILNANCY)
>Date: 2/27/99 5:30 PM EST
>Message-id: <19990227173004...@ng19.aol.com>

>>
>You pathetic moron

Typical foulmouthed Nizkook liar.

.

>You think a simple assertion that something is of South
>American origin is evidence that it is of South American origin.

You think a simple assertion that millions of Jews were gassed is evidence that
they were? what a twit? If you want to prove these heads were shrunken by
Germans, post the proof. It is not incumbent upon me to prove that they were
not, anymore than I have to PROVE the non existence of Bigfoot.

>But thanks for confirming that Codoh's reference for the Shrunken heads,
>which
>DavidM apparently believes, is actually worthless.

I never wrote that, so stop distorting.

>And thanks for helping us
>see your original claim to the same effect was as well.

My origninal claim is what it is and always has been-- 100% correct.

>Joe, do ever get anything right?
>
>Philip Mathews

Can you ever cease from lying and distortiing? It is a common fault among your
accomplices as well. A very well nurtured common fault.

PHILNANCY

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yale_f._edeiken

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> deb...@aol.com (Debunks) writes:
> This is for Phil Nancy:

> You say that "I" am responsible for what is posted on codoh? Hardly.

Since you cited it as a "source," it has become your responsibility to show how
it confirms your claim. Just as when you you cited the mendacious Porter article for the
menaing of the Hague Convention of 1907 and, claiming that Port was accurate,
snipped the URL to the actual text.


> I checked the page you referred me to in Die Hexe (138) and there was no
> reference to shrunken heads. Perhaps they had access to a different edition?
> You should ask them. I am hardly their designated spokesperson.

Or perhaps it was just indicative of the low level of accuracy typical of both
you and them.

> Now, simply for purposes of cross checking, I also referred to Vorsich
> Faelshung, and there was no reference to heads on that page either.

> However, on page 211 there is a photo of one of these infamous "shrunken
> heads" with the follwoing caption:

> Schrumpfkopf suedamerikanischer Herkunft, von der allierten Propaganda als
> "Beweis deutscher Barbarei" praesentiert.

> Translation for the truth impaired:

> Shrunkenhead of South American origin, which was presented by Allied propaganda
> as "Proof of German Barbarity."

> Game, set, match.

Yup. You lose again. It presents nothing but a bare and riduculous assertion.


In article <19990112213243...@ng31.aol.com>, deb...@aol.com
(Debunks) wrote: "I post deliberate misinformation . . ."


"hello? antone out there 12-14 e-mail me. i am thirteen and . .
.well if you e-mail me at jbel...@sprynet.com you can find out more about me i
am a female."

--YFE

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yale_f._edeiken

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> deb...@aol.com (Debunks) writes:
> >Subject: Re: Shrunken Heads and Shrinking Lies
> >From: phil...@aol.com (PHILNANCY)
> >Date: 2/27/99 5:30 PM EST
> >Message-id: <19990227173004...@ng19.aol.com>

> >You pathetic moron

> Typical foulmouthed Nizkook liar.

Jew-hating Jew resorts to his usual lies.


> >You think a simple assertion that something is of South
> >American origin is evidence that it is of South American origin.

> You think a simple assertion that millions of Jews were gassed is evidence that
> they were?

No. he goes out and proves it.

> what a twit?

You certainly are.


> If you want to prove these heads were shrunken by
> Germans, post the proof.

Which has been done.

> It is not incumbent upon me to prove that they were
> not, anymore than I have to PROVE the non existence of Bigfoot.

Since you made the clai, it is yours to prove.



> >But thanks for confirming that Codoh's reference for the Shrunken heads,

> >whichDavidM apparently believes, is actually worthless.

> I never wrote that, so stop distorting.

Then provide an accurate reference.



> >And thanks for helping us
> >see your original claim to the same effect was as well.

> My origninal claim is what it is and always has been-- 100% correct.

It's a filthy lie from the mouth of a filthy liar.



> >Joe, do ever get anything right?

> Can you ever cease from lying and distortiing? It is a common fault among your
> accomplices as well. A very well nurtured common fault.

More actionable defamation from Jew-hating Joe.

PHILNANCY

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In >Message-id: <19990227182606...@ng-ca1.aol.com>

>deb...@aol.com (Debunks)

>
>>Subject: Re: Shrunken Heads and Shrinking Lies
>>From: phil...@aol.com (PHILNANCY)
>>Date: 2/27/99 5:30 PM EST
>>Message-id: <19990227173004...@ng19.aol.com>
>
>>>
>>You pathetic moron
>

>>You think a simple assertion that something is of South
>>American origin is evidence that it is of South American origin.
>
>You think a simple assertion that millions of Jews were gassed is evidence
>that

>they were? what a twit?

The discussion is shrunken heads, moron, and your contention that a passage in
Vorischt Falschung provides evidence that the shrunken heads were of South
American origin is a lie. It produces no evidence, it merely makes a statement
with no evidence supporting it. YOU claimed there was evidence debunking
shrunken heads, so YOU must produce support. ASSERTIONS are not support.


If you want to prove these heads were shrunken by

>Germans, post the proof. It is not incumbent upon me to prove that they were


>not, anymore than I have to PROVE the non existence of Bigfoot.

It is incumbent on you to support YOUR contention that evidence exists
debunking shrunken heads. You can't do it. You're a liar.


>
>>But thanks for confirming that Codoh's reference for the Shrunken heads,
>>which
>>DavidM apparently believes, is actually worthless.
>
>I never wrote that, so stop distorting.

You said there was no evidence on the page number that Codoh and DavidM
provided. You therfore confirmed the purported evidence is worthless.


>
>>And thanks for helping us
>>see your original claim to the same effect was as well.
>
>My origninal claim is what it is and always has been-- 100% correct.

Your original claims, and the new ones you've been forced into, are false.


>
>>Joe, do ever get anything right?

I guess the answer is no!

PHILNANCY

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In <19990227165852...@ng99.aol.com>, on 27 Feb 1999

21:58:52 GMT, deb...@aol.com (Debunks) wrote:

>This is for Phil Nancy:

>You say that "I" am responsible for what is posted on codoh? Hardly.

>I checked the page you referred me to in Die Hexe (138) and there was no


>reference to shrunken heads. Perhaps they had access to a different edition?
>You should ask them. I am hardly their designated spokesperson.

>Now, simply for purposes of cross checking, I also referred to Vorsich


>Faelshung, and there was no reference to heads on that page either.

>However, on page 211 there is a photo of one of these infamous "shrunken
>heads" with the follwoing caption:

>Schrumpfkopf suedamerikanischer Herkunft, von der allierten Propaganda als
>"Beweis deutscher Barbarei" praesentiert.

>Translation for the truth impaired:

>Shrunkenhead of South American origin, which was presented by Allied propaganda
>as "Proof of German Barbarity."

Does it identify the museum that these items supposedly came from?

Does it list the supposed control numbers used by the museum to
identify the items?

>Game, set, match.

Another premature ejaculation.

--
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>

John Morris

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Mark Van Alstine

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In article <19990227165852...@ng99.aol.com>, deb...@aol.com
(Debunks) wrote:

[snip]

> I checked the page you referred me to in Die Hexe (138) and there was no
> reference to shrunken heads. Perhaps they had access to a different edition?
> You should ask them. I am hardly their designated spokesperson.

Well, in _The Buchenwald Report_ there _is_ a reference to shrunken heads.

According to Gustav Wegerer:

<begin quote>

Lolling was the chief doctor of all the concentration camps in Germany
until the end. Müller also gave Stöckel and Werner Bach the assignment of
producing sheaths for pocketknives and other objects out of tanned human
skin. Moreover, Lolling requested written instructions for the preperation
of shrunken human heads, that is, human heads that were shrunk to the size
of a fist, like those produced by the cannibals of the South Sea islands.
There were reports from the information section of the American army about
the methods of the South Sea islanders, which I sent to Lolling. In
addition, the SS doctors themselves "prepared" a sizeable number of heads
here according to these methods.

<end quote>

Source: Hackett, _The Buchenwald Report_, p.224.

> Now, simply for purposes of cross checking, I also referred to Vorsich
> Faelshung, and there was no reference to heads on that page either.
>
> However, on page 211 there is a photo of one of these infamous "shrunken
> heads" with the follwoing caption:
>
> Schrumpfkopf suedamerikanischer Herkunft, von der allierten Propaganda als
> "Beweis deutscher Barbarei" praesentiert.
>
> Translation for the truth impaired:
>
> Shrunkenhead of South American origin, which was presented by Allied
> propaganda as "Proof of German Barbarity."

Well, since Jew-hating Joe puts so much stock in photo captions, here's
one from _The Scourge of the Swastika_ for a photo of two shrunken human
heads:

"Shrunken heads found at Buchenwald."

According to Lord Russell of Liverpool, who actually saw these shrunken heads:

<begin quote>

Another discovery made at Buchenwald whenthe American Army reached it in
April 1945 were the preserved skulls of many of the victims. Someone in
the camp had decapitation two Poles who had been hanged for having sexual
relations with German girls. The skull bones were removed and the heads
shrunken, stuffed and preserved. The heads were the size of fists and the
hair and the marks of the rope were still there.

<end quote>

Source: Lord Russell of Liverpool, _The Scourge of the Swastika_, p.182.

Now, for purposes of cross-checking, I also refered to _Inside the Vicious
Heart_ where, on page 129, there is a photo of a table laid out with
various preserved human body parts. Among them are two shrunken heads. The
caption reads:

"Display table at Buchenwald, showing shrunken heads, lampshades and other
tattooed human skin, and preserved organs collected by the SS."

According to Abzug:

<begin quote>

...At Buchenwald visitors passed neatly stacked piles of bodies, visited
the still inhabited barracks of the Little Camp, and filed by a table
featuring a sample of items representative of the special sadistic
tendancies of the staff: tattooed human skin collected by the
ex-commandant's wife, Ilse Koch; shrunken heads of prisoners used as
trophies and paperweights; pickled human organs collected by various SS
officers in bogus medical experiments....

<end quote>

Source: Abzug, _Inside the Vicious Heart_, p.128.

> Game, set, match.

...And Jew-hating Joe loses again. As usual.

For those interested in proof of Jew-hating Joe Bellinger's irrelevant
Nazi apologia, Holocaust denial, intellectual dishonesty, anti-Semitism,
and outright lies, please peruse DejaNews and visit the Nizkor Project at:

http://www.dejanews.com/
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/bellinger.joseph
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/bellinger.joseph/lies
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1196
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1296
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/bellinger.joseph/1997/blackmore.0197
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/tutu101.1296
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/bellinger.joseph/1997/fafner13.0197
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/anyone-out-there-12-1

Mark

--

"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and
evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between
political parties--but right through every human heart--and all
human hearts." -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"

Debunks

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>Subject: Re: Shrunken Heads and Shrinking Lies
>From: phil...@aol.com (PHILNANCY)
>Date: 2/27/99 8:51 PM EST
>Message-id: <19990227205108...@ng66.aol.com>

>
>In >Message-id: <19990227182606...@ng-ca1.aol.com>
>
>>deb...@aol.com (Debunks)
>
>>
>>>Subject: Re: Shrunken Heads and Shrinking Lies
>>>From: phil...@aol.com (PHILNANCY)
>>>Date: 2/27/99 5:30 PM EST
>>>Message-id: <19990227173004...@ng19.aol.com>
>>
>>>>
>>>You pathetic moron
>>
>>>You think a simple assertion that something is of South
>>>American origin is evidence that it is of South American origin.
>>
>>You think a simple assertion that millions of Jews were gassed is evidence
>>that
>>they were? what a twit?
>
>The discussion is shrunken heads, moron, and your contention that a passage
>in
>Vorischt Falschung provides evidence that the shrunken heads were of South
>American origin is a lie. It produces no evidence, it merely makes a
>statement
>with no evidence supporting it. YOU claimed there was evidence debunking
>shrunken heads, so YOU must produce support. ASSERTIONS are not support.

Remember that when you claim some assinine charge against Germans.

It is up to YOU to convince us that these heads actually belonged to inmates at
Buchenwald. Go for it...Give us a name of one of these posers for a "head"
shot....

>It is incumbent on you to support YOUR contention that evidence exists
>debunking shrunken heads. You can't do it. You're a liar.

No, it is NOT up to me. You are alleging this gruesome nonsense and claiming
it as fact. It is up to YOU to prove us. we do not accept your bald
assertions at face vlaue. Nizkooks are known for their incessant distorting
and lying.

>You said there was no evidence on the page number that Codoh and DavidM
>provided. You therfore confirmed the purported evidence is worthless.

Post what I said. I did NOT say that.

>Your original claims, and the new ones you've been forced into, are false.

I do not need t defend myself or my claims to you or any other Nizkook. Ther
eis not a one of you who has ever tried to go toe to toe with me save for Mike
Curtis on the Grese thread. He tried his best too. I have to give him credit,
but he might just as well have tried to pin a murder rap on Mother Theresa.

DeppityBob

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>
>>>>>
>>>>You pathetic moron
>>>
>>>>You think a simple assertion that something is of South
>>>>American origin is evidence that it is of South American origin.
>>>
>>>You think a simple assertion that millions of Jews were gassed is evidence
>>>that
>>>they were? what a twit?
>>
>>The discussion is shrunken heads, moron, and your contention that a passage
>>in
>>Vorischt Falschung provides evidence that the shrunken heads were of South
>>American origin is a lie. It produces no evidence, it merely makes a
>>statement
>>with no evidence supporting it. YOU claimed there was evidence debunking
>>shrunken heads, so YOU must produce support. ASSERTIONS are not support.
>
>
>Remember that when you claim some assinine charge against Germans.
>
>It is up to YOU to convince us that these heads actually belonged to inmates
>at
>Buchenwald. Go for it...Give us a name of one of these posers for a "head"
>shot....


Wow. Leave it to Blanche DuBooger to slander the dead as he goes spinning
headlong into the canyon of lunacy (again.)

Look, Booger. Here's how it works. There were discovered at Buchenwald shrunken
heads. There exist orders from Nazis to STOP making shrunken heads out of
prisoners. There exist testimonies of witnesses to the making of shrunken heads
from inmates of Buchenwald (among other grisly things.) If you wish anyone to
believe that these heads came from South America, you have to provide evidence
that *contradicts* and *supplants* the existing evidence. Not just an
assertion, not just a supposition. When you aim to replace the conventional
knowledge, you have to actively *replace* the prior evidence with more
believable, valid evidence.

Unfortunately, you can't. Why? Because you're bullshitting. You have no other
way to try to exonerate your beloved, sainted Nazis. And the fact that you
can't is why you are coming dangerously close to frothing at the mouth.


>
>>It is incumbent on you to support YOUR contention that evidence exists
>>debunking shrunken heads. You can't do it. You're a liar.
>
>No, it is NOT up to me. You are alleging this gruesome nonsense and claiming
>it as fact. It is up to YOU to prove us. we do not accept your bald
>assertions at face vlaue. Nizkooks are known for their incessant distorting
>and lying.
>
>>You said there was no evidence on the page number that Codoh and DavidM
>>provided. You therfore confirmed the purported evidence is worthless.
>
>Post what I said. I did NOT say that.
>
>>Your original claims, and the new ones you've been forced into, are false.
>
>I do not need t defend myself or my claims to you or any other Nizkook.
> Ther
>eis not a one of you who has ever tried to go toe to toe with me save for
>Mike
>Curtis on the Grese thread. He tried his best too. I have to give him
>credit,
>but he might just as well have tried to pin a murder rap on Mother Theresa.
>

So now Irma Grese is equal to Mother Theresa? When did Mother Theresa ever
carry a cellophane whip? Or assist in selections of incoming prisoners/victims?
When did Mother Theresa ever beat anyone?

You're babbling now, Blanche DuBooger.

Dep

"Always tell the truth. It's the easiest thing to remember."
--David Mamet
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Debunks

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>Subject: Re: Shrunken Heads and Shrinking Lies
>From: mvana...@home.com (Mark Van Alstine )
>Date: 2/28/99 3:33 AM EST
>Message-id: <mvanalstnot-28...@c678496-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com>

>
>In article <19990227165852...@ng99.aol.com>, deb...@aol.com
>(Debunks) wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> I checked the page you referred me to in Die Hexe (138) and there was no
>> reference to shrunken heads. Perhaps they had access to a different
>edition?
>> You should ask them. I am hardly their designated spokesperson.
>
>Well, in _The Buchenwald Report_ there _is_ a reference to shrunken heads.
>
>According to Gustav Wegerer:
>
><begin quote>
>
>Lolling was the chief doctor of all the concentration camps in Germany
>until the end. Müller also gave Stöckel and Werner Bach the assignment of
>producing sheaths for pocketknives and other objects out of tanned human
>skin. Moreover, Lolling requested written instructions for the preperation
>of shrunken human heads, that is, human heads that were shrunk to the size
>of a fist, like those produced by the cannibals of the South Sea islands.
>There were reports from the information section of the American army about
>the methods of the South Sea islanders, which I sent to Lolling. In
>addition, the SS doctors themselves "prepared" a sizeable number of heads
>here according to these methods.
>
><end quote>
>
>Source: Hackett, _The Buchenwald Report_, p.224.


Funny. this is not what was claimed at the Senate hearings on Buchenwald.

Tell us what happened to Lolling.

>
>Well, since Jew-hating Joe puts so much stock in photo captions, here's
>one from _The Scourge of the Swastika_ for a photo of two shrunken human
>heads:

GUFFAW! You might as well post something from Tales from the Crypt. Russell!
What a joke.

>tattooed human skin collected by the
>ex-commandant's wife, Ilse Koch; shrunken heads of prisoners used as
>trophies and paperweights; pickled human organs collected by various SS
>officers in bogus medical experiments....
>
><end quote>
>
>Source: Abzug, _Inside the Vicious Heart_, p.128.
>

Oh silly man...you had the gall to post this canard, did you? It is factually
established beyond any doubt that Ilse Koch NEVER had any items of human skin
in her possession at any time.

DeppityBob

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In >Message-id: <19990301024700...@ng-fb1.aol.com>

>deb...@aol.com (Debunks) wrote:

Post the evidence you claim contradicts this.


>
>Tell us what happened to Lolling.
>
>>
>>Well, since Jew-hating Joe puts so much stock in photo captions, here's
>>one from _The Scourge of the Swastika_ for a photo of two shrunken human
>>heads:
>
>GUFFAW! You might as well post something from Tales from the Crypt.
>Russell!
>What a joke.

Yeah, better to assert south american origins before you even have seen any
evidence to support it.


>
>>tattooed human skin collected by the
>>ex-commandant's wife, Ilse Koch; shrunken heads of prisoners used as
>>trophies and paperweights; pickled human organs collected by various SS
>>officers in bogus medical experiments....
>>
>><end quote>
>>
>>Source: Abzug, _Inside the Vicious Heart_, p.128.
>>
>
>Oh silly man...you had the gall to post this canard, did you? It is
>factually
>established beyond any doubt that Ilse Koch NEVER had any items of human skin
>in her possession at any time.

No it hasn't.

Philip Mathews

"Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing
knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant
than would take even a little trouble to acquire it." Samuel Johnson


Debunks

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>Subject: Re: Shrunken Heads and Shrinking Lies
>From: phil...@aol.com (PHILNANCY)
>Date: 3/1/99 8:00 PM EST
>Message-id: <19990301200042...@ng-da1.aol.com>
>
>

>>Tell us what happened to Lolling.

Why haven't you answered this question? :>)

>
>Yeah, better to assert south american origins before you even have seen any
>evidence to support it.

I have seen enough in three separate sources to convince me the claims were and
are bogus.

>>Oh silly man...you had the gall to post this canard, did you? It is
>>factually
>>established beyond any doubt that Ilse Koch NEVER had any items of human
>skin
>>in her possession at any time.
>
>No it hasn't.
>
>Philip Mathews
>

Wrong dear fellow, but PUSH this one to the limit if you dare.

DeppityBob

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>
>>Subject: Re: Shrunken Heads and Shrinking Lies
>>From: phil...@aol.com (PHILNANCY)
>>Date: 3/1/99 8:00 PM EST
>>Message-id: <19990301200042...@ng-da1.aol.com>
>>
>>
>
>>>Tell us what happened to Lolling.
>
>Why haven't you answered this question? :>)


Waiting to see if you know what the hell you're talking about, of course.


>
>>
>>Yeah, better to assert south american origins before you even have seen
>any
>>evidence to support it.
>
>I have seen enough in three separate sources to convince me the claims were
>and
>are bogus.


Which likely means you read the same paragraph reprinted in three different
places, all of them exactly the same as what you put here. Which, I must say,
proves nothing and asserts little.


>
>>>Oh silly man...you had the gall to post this canard, did you? It is
>>>factually
>>>established beyond any doubt that Ilse Koch NEVER had any items of human
>>skin
>>>in her possession at any time.
>>
>>No it hasn't.
>>
>>Philip Mathews
>>
>Wrong dear fellow, but PUSH this one to the limit if you dare.

Frightened you enough to completely <snip> it though, didn't it?


"Shrunken heads found at Buchenwald."

According to Lord Russell of Liverpool, who actually saw these shrunken heads:

<begin quote>

Another discovery made at Buchenwald whenthe American Army reached it in
April 1945 were the preserved skulls of many of the victims. Someone in
the camp had decapitation two Poles who had been hanged for having sexual
relations with German girls. The skull bones were removed and the heads
shrunken, stuffed and preserved. The heads were the size of fists and the
hair and the marks of the rope were still there.

<end quote>

Source: Lord Russell of Liverpool, _The Scourge of the Swastika_, p.182.


According to Gustav Wegerer:

<begin quote>

Lolling was the chief doctor of all the concentration camps in Germany
until the end. Müller also gave Stöckel and Werner Bach the assignment of
producing sheaths for pocketknives and other objects out of tanned human
skin. Moreover, Lolling requested written instructions for the preperation
of shrunken human heads, that is, human heads that were shrunk to the size
of a fist, like those produced by the cannibals of the South Sea islands.
There were reports from the information section of the American army about
the methods of the South Sea islanders, which I sent to Lolling. In
addition, the SS doctors themselves "prepared" a sizeable number of heads
here according to these methods.

<end quote>

Source: Hackett, _The Buchenwald Report_, p.224.

"Display table at Buchenwald, showing shrunken heads, lampshades and other
tattooed human skin, and preserved organs collected by the SS."

According to Abzug:

<begin quote>

...At Buchenwald visitors passed neatly stacked piles of bodies, visited
the still inhabited barracks of the Little Camp, and filed by a table
featuring a sample of items representative of the special sadistic

tendancies of the staff: tattooed human skin collected by the


ex-commandant's wife, Ilse Koch; shrunken heads of prisoners used as
trophies and paperweights; pickled human organs collected by various SS
officers in bogus medical experiments....

<end quote>

Source: Abzug, _Inside the Vicious Heart_, p.128.

I'd say that if you're going to insist on your "South American" tripe, you'd
better have some hard evidence to back it up. Not your usual smears, slurs,
dodges, or vague assertions, but good solid evidence. But that's the beauty
part, Booger: we know you can't. And won't. Ever.

Debunks

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>Subject: Re: Shrunken Heads and Shrinking Lies
>From: deppi...@aol.comx.y.z... (DeppityBob)
>Date: 3/2/99 4:51 AM EST
>Message-id: <19990302045107...@ng36.aol.com>
>

>Frightened you enough to completely <snip> it though, didn't it?
>

Yuk yuk....what a schmuk. You actually want to try and defend this canard eh?
Good. Let's follow it up.

>
>"Shrunken heads found at Buchenwald."
>
>According to Lord Russell of Liverpool, who actually saw these shrunken
>heads:
>

Lord Russell is a liar, a propagandist, and might just qualify as the first
Nizkook. He repeats old soviet canards as if they were part of the gospel of
everlasting life and light. Yawn. Let's move along.

>Another discovery made at Buchenwald whenthe American Army reached it in
>April 1945 were the preserved skulls of many of the victims. Someone in
>the camp had decapitation two Poles who had been hanged for

Give us their names, the women they allegedly violated, which court heard the
case, and who pronounced sentence of death. It is a fact that decapitation
wass a legal method of execution in Germany at the time, as it was in france.
But, be sure to include all the details you have here and not some idiotic
unsubstantiated statement by so-called "eyewitnesses." Be sure to include a
complete description of the process involved in shrinking these heads, and who
did the actual shrinking and so on. And include information as to where this
evidence may be examined today. When you have done this, then you will have
proven your case to my satisfaction.

>According to Abzug:

More unconfirmed sources. Give us some evidence or forever hold your peace on
this issue. The burden is on you. The "evidence' you have posted so far is
laughable.

>
>I'd say that if you're going to insist on your "South American" tripe, you'd
>better have some hard evidence to back it up

No, I need not disprove an egregiousd lie based upon communist propaganda.
The burden is on YOU.

>Booger: we know you can't. And won't. Ever.

Nor need I. The burden is on YOU--the accuser. So hop to it, like a good
little lad.

Mark Van Alstine

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In article <19990302155701...@ng146.aol.com>, deb...@aol.com
(Debunks) wrote:

[snip]

> Lord Russell is a liar, a propagandist, and might just qualify as the first


> Nizkook. He repeats old soviet canards as if they were part of the gospel of
> everlasting life and light. Yawn. Let's move along.

IOW, Jew-hating Joe can't present a shred of proof that "Lord Russell is a
liar, a propagandist" etc. All Jew-hating Joe _can_ do is foam at the
mouth and spout rabid ad hominems. Why am I not suprised? Could it be
because Jew-hating Joe is a proven anti-Semitic lying scumbag Nazi
apologist?

> >Another discovery made at Buchenwald whenthe American Army reached it in
> >April 1945 were the preserved skulls of many of the victims. Someone in
> >the camp had decapitation two Poles who had been hanged for
>
> Give us their names, the women they allegedly violated, which court heard the
> case, and who pronounced sentence of death. It is a fact that decapitation
> wass a legal method of execution in Germany at the time, as it was in france.

The two Poles were executed by hanging, hence the reason why the marks
left by the rope could be sen on the shrunken heads. The decapitation was
post mortem and done for no other reason than to provide the SS with heads
to shrink into morbid "gift items."

[snip]

> >According to Abzug:
>
> More unconfirmed sources. Give us some evidence or forever hold your peace on
> this issue. The burden is on you. The "evidence' you have posted so far is
> laughable.

What is laughable is Jew-hating Joe's pathetic grasping at straws and
hurling invectives to no avail.

[snip]

Once again, just to piss Jew-hating Joe off with the information he can't
refute because he is too fucking stupid to understand:

According to Gustav Wegerer:

<begin quote>

Lolling was the chief doctor of all the concentration camps in Germany
until the end. Müller also gave Stöckel and Werner Bach the assignment of
producing sheaths for pocketknives and other objects out of tanned human
skin. Moreover, Lolling requested written instructions for the preperation
of shrunken human heads, that is, human heads that were shrunk to the size
of a fist, like those produced by the cannibals of the South Sea islands.
There were reports from the information section of the American army about
the methods of the South Sea islanders, which I sent to Lolling. In
addition, the SS doctors themselves "prepared" a sizeable number of heads
here according to these methods.

<end quote>

Source: Hackett, _The Buchenwald Report_, p.224.

According to Lord Russell of Liverpool, who actually saw these shrunken heads:

<begin quote>

Another discovery made at Buchenwald whenthe American Army reached it in
April 1945 were the preserved skulls of many of the victims. Someone in

the camp had decapitation two Poles who had been hanged for having sexual
relations with German girls. The skull bones were removed and the heads
shrunken, stuffed and preserved. The heads were the size of fists and the
hair and the marks of the rope were still there.

<end quote>

Source: Lord Russell of Liverpool, _The Scourge of the Swastika_, p.182.

Not to mention, of course, that the shrunken heads shown in _The Scourge
of the Swastika_ and _Inside the Vicious Heart_ evidence hair that is
oddly wavy and blondish looking, very unlike that of native indians from
South Amertica. Then, of course, there's the small issue of the marks left
by the ropes that victims were hung by....

[snip]

Debunks

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>Subject: Re: Shrunken Heads and Shrinking Lies
>From: mvana...@home.com (Mark Van Alstine )
>Date: 3/2/99 11:14 PM EST
>Message-id: <mvanalstnot-02...@c678496-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com>

>> Give us their names, the women they allegedly violated, which court heard
>the
>> case, and who pronounced sentence of death. It is a fact that decapitation
>> wass a legal method of execution in Germany at the time, as it was in
>france.

>
>The two Poles were executed by hanging, hence the reason why the marks
>left by the rope could be sen on the shrunken heads.

You are delusional.

> The decapitation was
>post mortem and done for no other reason than to provide the SS with heads
>to shrink into morbid "gift items."
>
>[snip]

You did not answer my questions.

>
>Once again, just to piss Jew-hating Joe off with the information he can't
>refute because he is too fucking stupid to understand:
>
>According to Gustav Wegerer:

Don't bother. I aseked for proof and you gave us shit, as usual./

>According to Lord Russell of Liverpool, who actually saw these shrunken
>heads:

Yes, and I saw Nirvana. No one ever said there were not shrunken heads on the
premises. They were from a South American Museum, and until you can provide
convincing forensic proof to the contrary, then that is how this issue will be
interpreted in the future.

>
>Not to mention, of course, that the shrunken heads shown in _The Scourge
>of the Swastika_ and _Inside the Vicious Heart_ evidence hair that is
>oddly wavy and blondish looking, very unlike that of native indians from
>South Amertica. Then, of course, there's the small issue of the marks left
>by the ropes that victims were hung by....
>

So the Indians only shrink the heads of other INdians? Only Indians live in
S.A? Yawn.

PHILNANCY

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> deb...@aol.com (Debunks) wrote:

You have no evidence they were from South America, liar.

The evidence supporting the shrunken heads being made at Buchenwald is
substantial, and you expect this South American lie to overcome it? Your a
pathetic case.

Debunks

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>Subject: Re: Shrunken Heads and Shrinking Lies
>From: phil...@aol.com (PHILNANCY)
>Date: 3/4/99 10:54 PM EST
>Message-id: <19990304225425...@ng-cr1.aol.com>

>>Once again, just to piss Jew-hating Joe off with the information he can't
>>>refute because he is too fucking stupid to understand:

SNIP

Hate to clue you in but I am not pissed off in the least over your inability to
post forensic evidence. When will you get it through your head that I am
completely uninterested in "eyewtiness" statements? Now, either post
substanstiation for these foolish claims or admit you cannot.

>You have no evidence they were from South America, liar.

You have no evidence that these were shrunken heads of inmates, liar.

>
>The evidence supporting the shrunken heads being made at Buchenwald is
>substantial, and you expect this South American lie to overcome it? Your a
>pathetic case.
>

What evidence, o delusional one?

PHILNANCY

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> deb...@aol.com (Debunks) wrote:

>
>>Subject: Re: Shrunken Heads and Shrinking Lies
>>From: phil...@aol.com (PHILNANCY)
>>Date: 3/4/99 10:54 PM EST
>>Message-id: <19990304225425...@ng-cr1.aol.com>
>
>>>Once again, just to piss Jew-hating Joe off with the information he can't
>>>>refute because he is too fucking stupid to understand:
>
>SNIP
>
>Hate to clue you in but I am not pissed off in the least over your inability
>to
>post forensic evidence. When will you get it through your head that I am
>completely uninterested in "eyewtiness" statements? Now, either post
>substanstiation for these foolish claims or admit you cannot.

Hate to tell you moron, but the statement you're responding to is not mine.
And I don't give a rat's ass that you are uninterested in eyewitness testimony.
You don't get to establish the rules concerning acceptable historical
evidence.

>
>>You have no evidence they were from South America, liar.

Acknowledgement of lie noted.


>
>You have no evidence that these were shrunken heads of inmates, liar.

It's been posted. You can't deal with it, so you snip it. Pathetic loser.


>
>>
>>The evidence supporting the shrunken heads being made at Buchenwald is
>>substantial, and you expect this South American lie to overcome it? Your a
>>pathetic case.
>>
>
>What evidence, o delusional one?

Posted and snipped. Deal with it.

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You're a Nizkook hemorroid, Mathews, and the most fond dream of all you
Nizkook hemorrhoids is to be a healthy asshole that can be painlessly
wiped.


Racialist regards,

Ed Kadach

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In article <19990305163136...@ng114.aol.com>, deb...@aol.com
(Debunks) wrote:

> >Subject: Re: Shrunken Heads and Shrinking Lies
> >From: phil...@aol.com (PHILNANCY)
> >Date: 3/4/99 10:54 PM EST
> >Message-id: <19990304225425...@ng-cr1.aol.com>
>
> >>Once again, just to piss Jew-hating Joe off with the information he can't
> >>>refute because he is too fucking stupid to understand:
>
> SNIP
>
> Hate to clue you in but I am not pissed off in the least over your inability
> to post forensic evidence.

Translation: Jew-hating Joe is so pissed off he's gnashing his teeth in
helpless frustration over getting his butt whipped by me again.

[snip]

DeppityBob

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>
>
>>Subject: Re: Shrunken Heads and Shrinking Lies
>>From: mvana...@home.com (Mark Van Alstine )
>>Date: 3/2/99 11:14 PM EST
>>Message-id: <mvanalstnot-02...@c678496-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com>
>
>>> Give us their names, the women they allegedly violated, which court heard
>>the
>>> case, and who pronounced sentence of death. It is a fact that decapitation
>>> wass a legal method of execution in Germany at the time, as it was in
>>france.
>
>>
>>The two Poles were executed by hanging, hence the reason why the marks
>>left by the rope could be sen on the shrunken heads.
>
>You are delusional.


Now, THERE'S a solid refutal. How about making circling gestures with your
finger at your temple as further "proof," Booger?


>
>> The decapitation was
>>post mortem and done for no other reason than to provide the SS with heads
>>to shrink into morbid "gift items."
>>
>>[snip]
>
>You did not answer my questions.
>
>>

>>Once again, just to piss Jew-hating Joe off with the information he can't
>>refute because he is too fucking stupid to understand:
>>

>>According to Gustav Wegerer:
>
>Don't bother. I aseked for proof and you gave us shit, as usual./
>
>>According to Lord Russell of Liverpool, who actually saw these shrunken
>>heads:
>
>Yes, and I saw Nirvana. No one ever said there were not shrunken heads
>on the
>premises. They were from a South American Museum, and until you can provide
>convincing forensic proof to the contrary, then that is how this issue will
>be
>interpreted in the future.


In other words: Booger--who does NOT accept eyewitness or hearsay evidence as
valid--does not want to believe the truth, so against all reason, he is going
to believe what "someone said"--without proof, without foundation, without
evidence.

Joe's the kind of guy who'd replace the hatches on a submarine with screen
doors because someone told him they were better.


>
>
>>
>>Not to mention, of course, that the shrunken heads shown in _The Scourge
>>of the Swastika_ and _Inside the Vicious Heart_ evidence hair that is
>>oddly wavy and blondish looking, very unlike that of native indians from
>>South Amertica. Then, of course, there's the small issue of the marks left
>>by the ropes that victims were hung by....
>>
>
>So the Indians only shrink the heads of other INdians? Only Indians live
>in
>S.A? Yawn.

Uhm, actually, your sneer is half on the money. For the most part, "headhunter"
tribes don't go after Caucasians. They only shrink the heads of those they kill
in battle. Not only that, I somehow doubt you find German Argentinians mixing
it up with Amazon tribesmen... CAN YOU PROVE OTHERWISE? (HINT: no.)

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In >Message-id: <36E0B9...@connect.ab.ca>
>
>

> Ed Kadach <edd...@connect.ab.ca> wrote:

>
>PHILNANCY wrote:
>>
>> In >Message-id: <19990305163136...@ng114.aol.com>
>>
>> > deb...@aol.com (Debunks) wrote:
>>
>> >

>> >>Subject: Re: Shrunken Heads and Shrinking Lies

>> >>From: phil...@aol.com (PHILNANCY)
>> >>Date: 3/4/99 10:54 PM EST
>> >>Message-id: <19990304225425...@ng-cr1.aol.com>
>> >

>> >>>Once again, just to piss Jew-hating Joe off with the information he
>can't
>> >>>>refute because he is too fucking stupid to understand:
>> >

>> >SNIP
>> >
>> >Hate to clue you in but I am not pissed off in the least over your
>inability
>> >to

>> >post forensic evidence. When will you get it through your head that I am
>> >completely uninterested in "eyewtiness" statements? Now, either post
>> >substanstiation for these foolish claims or admit you cannot.
>>
>> Hate to tell you moron, but the statement you're responding to is not mine.
>> And I don't give a rat's ass that you are uninterested in eyewitness
>testimony.
>> You don't get to establish the rules concerning acceptable historical
>> evidence.
>> >
>> >>You have no evidence they were from South America, liar.
>>
>> Acknowledgement of lie noted.
>> >
>> >You have no evidence that these were shrunken heads of inmates, liar.
>>
>> It's been posted. You can't deal with it, so you snip it. Pathetic loser.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>The evidence supporting the shrunken heads being made at Buchenwald is
>> >>substantial, and you expect this South American lie to overcome it? Your
>a
>> >>pathetic case.
>> >>
>> >
>> >What evidence, o delusional one?
>>
>> Posted and snipped. Deal with it.
>>
>> Philip Mathews
>
>
>You're a Nizkook hemorroid, Mathews, and the most fond dream of all you
>Nizkook hemorrhoids is to be a healthy asshole that can be painlessly
>wiped.

Typical of you Eddie, you get a pretty good line and you use it to death!

By the way, did you pick it up at one of your religious retreats?

Yours in diversity!

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