Irving on Irving, 1986
Hilary Ostrov
supporters, during the course of last year's libel trial, came from
Mr. Gumm (c.k.a Mr. Boegler, I believe). Mr. Gumm was doing his best
to wriggle away from the obvious inference of Irving's libel suit:
i.e. that Irving was attempting to utilize the courts in order to
silence his critics.
Mr. Gumm's "argument" was as follows:
Subject: Re: David Irving's NON-INTERVIEW on CNN
Date: 18 Jan 2000 04:47:24 GMT
Message ID: <20000117234724...@ng-cg1.aol.com>
From: munn...@aol.com (James Monroe Gumm)
<quote>
I don't thing free speech is an issue in the libel trial. What is
at issue is that Lipstadt has caused Irving to lose money
because of what she wrote about him. What is at issue is that
she lied about Irving, demonized him and thereby hurt his ability to
earn a living.
Now she has to prove that what she said about him was the
truth. She has accused him of telling lies so now she has
to prove that what he said or wrote is a lie.
Free speech does not give anyone the right to tell lies
which prevent another person from earning a living.
What Irving wrote in his 30 books may have been a lie, but
he didn't cause anyone to lose money because of anything he
wrote.
</quote>
It always went without saying that Mr. Gumm was entirely incorrect in
his allegations that Prof. Lipstadt had lied about Irving, and that in
so doing she had "caused Irving to lose money". And now, of course,
Lipstadt's innocence of such charges has been proven in court.
But what I found fascinating, was the implication of Mr. Gumm's last
sentence above: It's OK to tell lies in books you peddle as
"historical truth" - as long as you don't cause anyone to lose money
on account of what you've written.
However, there is at least one "revisionist scholar" who appears to
disgree with Mr. Gumm - or at least he did in 1986:
"If I write a bad book, or if I write two or three bad books, with
boobs in it which the newspapers pick out, which I'm ashamed to admit
are probably right, then of course the time comes when publishers turn
their back on me." --David Irving, addressing the Canadian Association
for Free Expression, Carlton Inn, Toronto, undated videotape (1986)
Source: Richard J. Evans, _Lying about Hitler: History, Holocaust and
the David Irving Trial_, Basic Books ( New York, NY 2001), p. 14.
hro
=====================
Hilary Ostrov
E-mail: hos...@telus.net
WWW: http://www3.telus.net/myssiwyg/
The Nizkor Project http://www.nizkor.org/
TRUTH
Hilary Ostrov <hos...@telus.net> wrote:
>One of the more amusing rationalizations from one of Irving's
>supporters, during the course of last year's libel trial,
You lefties must be planning something big. I see three losers come out of the
wood work to bash and belittle Irving. I see Andrew Mathis, Ken McVay, and
Hilary- all three adulators and defenders of communists and socialism. I bet
next Monday is a special day for you Reds.
Hilary does it still upset you that people have hung communists from lamp posts?
It certainly upset a lot of your comrades! Why should you all be upset that the
very people who shed more blood in the 20th Century than anyone else should be
summarily dealt with?
I had an uncle who fought in the Korean War and cousins who fought in Viet Nam
who told me: "The Only Good Communist is a Dead Communist." Is that phrase
offensive? If it is then why?
Should the Chi-Coms get Taiwan as their own?
Do you see the Communist Chinese as enemies or people to be admired?
What about Castro? Many university campuses adulate Fidel as well as Marx,
Lenin, and Trotsky-- all human debris and filth.
Doc Tavish
Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.
three losers come out of the wood work to bash and belittle Irving. I see
Andrew Mathis, Ken McVay, and Hilary- all three adulators and defenders of
communists and socialism. I bet next Monday is a special day for you Reds."
That'd be May Day, if I'm not mistaken. Here's a little trivia quesion for you,
Scottie: In what nation was May Day first recognized as a labor holiday? Your
clue is that the Knights of Labor declared it as such in the 1880s. The U.S. is
one of the only countries in the entire world that does not observe a labor
holiday on May 1 despite it being founded *here*.
As for my being a "lefty," well, yes I am. As for my being a "loser," I'd
suggest you take a good long look in a mirror. As for my being a defender of
communism, please demonstrate where I've ever defended communism. As for my
being a socialist, guilty as charged. As for you being the biggest horse's ass
in the entire state of Texas -- even when the current president resided there
-- it's a foregone conclusion.
I'm going to fly to Bellville or wherever the nearest airport is to there when
the repo men are schedule to repossess whatever you happen to actually own.
I'll be bringing a Polaroid and a great big smile on my face.
You're going to pay, dirtbag. And I'm gonna love it.
a.m.
Now go, quick, and treat us all to a quadruple-posted "Doc Tavish Classic
Repost," you jackass.
Hilary Ostrov
<p58ietc6o4afdekjh...@4ax.com>, [Scott Bradbury posing
as] TRUTH <tr...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:05:43 GMT, <c8gcetkp8d1tma7n7...@4ax.com>
>Hilary Ostrov <hos...@telus.net> wrote:
>
>>One of the more amusing rationalizations from one of Irving's
>>supporters, during the course of last year's libel trial,
>
>You lefties must be planning something big.
Translation: Bradbury and his allied societal misfits are up to no
good, as usual. It's interesting that there has been a spate of
forged posts and cancels lately, and an exhortation by one of Cummins'
sock-puppets to increase the practice of he former. Your exercises in
premature projection and speculation have always been so very telling,
Mr. Bradbury. I'm inclined to think that this one will prove to be no
exception.
> I see three losers come out of the
>wood work
I've been here all along - and you have no evidence to sustain your
claim that any of us are "losers" or that the others haven't been here
all along, either. I know this may be *very* difficult for you to
understand but, apart from you and Bellinger, very few people are so
unbalanced and consumed by their wacko obsessions that they have to
make their presence continuously known on USENET - even if so doing
serves absolutely no purpose except to provide further evidence that
they are quasi-literate, lying, bigots.
>to bash and belittle Irving. [...]
Bashing and belittling Irving?! You must be joking! There was no
bashing in the quote you snipped:
<restore>
"If I write a bad book, or if I write two or three bad books, with
boobs in it which the newspapers pick out, which I'm ashamed to admit
are probably right, then of course the time comes when publishers turn
their back on me." --David Irving, addressing the Canadian Association
for Free Expression, Carlton Inn, Toronto, undated videotape (1986)
Source: Richard J. Evans, _Lying about Hitler: History, Holocaust and
the David Irving Trial_, Basic Books ( New York, NY 2001), p. 14.
</restore>
It merely showed that at some point Irving actually recognized that
publishers do not owe him a living. And that declining to publish his
work does not constitute "censorship" - nor is it any abrogation of
his inalienable right to peddle his revi$ioni$t lies.
>
>Hilary does it still upset you that people have hung communists from lamp posts?
Yes. It thoroughly disgusts me to encounter individuals who consider
that murdering their opponents for their political beliefs (regardless
of whether I agree or disagree with such beliefs) is not only an
acceptable practice, but also a laudable one.
Btw, I notice you *still* haven't managed to explain your little dance
back to the future, i.e. how the "Nazihunter/Finder" personna managed
to "respond" to that July 6/00 post of yours - a full hour and forty
minutes before you made it.
[rest of IncoherentBradburyRant (tm) deleted]
TRUTH
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>Scott Bradbury spews forth: "You lefties must be planning something big. I see
>three losers come out of the wood work to bash and belittle Irving. I see
>Andrew Mathis, Ken McVay, and Hilary- all three adulators and defenders of
>communists and socialism. I bet next Monday is a special day for you Reds."
>
>That'd be May Day, if I'm not mistaken. Here's a little trivia quesion for you,
>Scottie: In what nation was May Day first recognized as a labor holiday? Your
>clue is that the Knights of Labor declared it as such in the 1880s. The U.S. is
>one of the only countries in the entire world that does not observe a labor
>holiday on May 1 despite it being founded *here*.
>
>As for my being a "lefty," well, yes I am. As for my being a "loser," I'd
>suggest you take a good long look in a mirror. As for my being a defender of
>communism, please demonstrate where I've ever defended communism. As for my
>being a socialist, guilty as charged.
Glad to see you admit it filth!
>As for you being the biggest horse's ass
>in the entire state of Texas -- even when the current president resided there
>-- it's a foregone conclusion.
>
>I'm going to fly to Bellville or wherever the nearest airport is to there when
>the repo men are schedule to repossess whatever you happen to actually own.
>I'll be bringing a Polaroid and a great big smile on my face.
Why is that going to be? If anyone is in hot water it is YOU! You admit to
knowing who NAZIHUNTER is and seeing how he's perpetrated numerous crimes
against me that means you're part of the criminal enterprise.
>You're going to pay, dirtbag. And I'm gonna love it.
Your pal Edeiken is being investigated and that is why his kook lawsuit against
me isn't finalized. Now piss off you little insignificant pipsqueak.
>a.m.
TRUTH
Hilary Ostrov <hos...@telus.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:43:32 -0500, in
><p58ietc6o4afdekjh...@4ax.com>, [Scott Bradbury posing
>as] TRUTH <tr...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:05:43 GMT, <c8gcetkp8d1tma7n7...@4ax.com>
>>Hilary Ostrov <hos...@telus.net> wrote:
>>
>>>One of the more amusing rationalizations from one of Irving's
>>>supporters, during the course of last year's libel trial,
>>
>>You lefties must be planning something big.
>
>Translation: Bradbury and his allied societal misfits are up to no
>good, as usual. It's interesting that there has been a spate of
>forged posts and cancels lately, and an exhortation by one of Cummins'
>sock-puppets to increase the practice of he former. Your exercises in
>premature projection and speculation have always been so very telling,
>Mr. Bradbury. I'm inclined to think that this one will prove to be no
>exception.
I wasn't the one forging posts- the one who did had his/her account canceled. I
still have mine. As for all the forged cancels- they are coming from Toronto,
Ontario Canada and John Morris was the first to complain to THT.NET in Toronto.
Your ally Laurence Shiff just lost his Toronto StarNet account yesterday for
issuing forged cancels. All announcements of forged cancels being made have come
from NAZIHUNTER aka MARDUK through Toronto ISPs yet you will remain stupid and
clueless as usual again thinking I am doing this all from the State of Texas.
Stay lame old maid- you're a hoot a minute!
>[rest of IncoherentBradburyRant (tm) deleted]
Truth and FACT is always incoherent to the criminally insane.
You and yours have always deleted what you can't refute too!
TRUTH
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>I'm going to fly to Bellville or wherever the nearest airport is to there when
>the repo men are schedule to repossess whatever you happen to actually own.
>I'll be bringing a Polaroid and a great big smile on my face.
>
>You're going to pay, dirtbag. And I'm gonna love it.
I forgot to tell you in my previous reply- Yale F. Edediken engaged in criminal
acts against me a full 16 days before his kook lawsuit was served. It has been
accepted that he was nazihunter of 1999. Also Yale F. Edeiken did not stay true
to his written agreement to not make direct contact with me after May 29, 2000.
Yale F. Edeiken did not supply my attorney with copies of the complaint, hence
my attorney did not officially become my attorney of record prior to August 25,
2000 because he did not know if there was even a need for his services. In the
meantime Yale got a default judgment only because of HIS dishonesty. The
paperwork he was sending me which I "Returned To Sender" was supposed to have
gone to my attorney whom Edeiken said "FUCK YOU" each time my attorney tried to
get copies of the complaint. (BTW This same stunt was pulled on David Micahel
and his attorney too and is on record!!) The real fly in the ointment is-
Edeiken and his whore claim I did not have an attorney prior to August 28, 2000
but the official docket shows Edeiken subpoenaing my attorney in July!! If
Daylin Leach was not my attorney then why would shyster Edeiken issue a subpoena
on him regarding Edeiken Vs Bradbury 1999-C-2748?
Your pal Edeiken is in a lot of trouble for criminal and unethical acts against
me.
Now go fuck yourself you little bastard! Edeiken is not getting squat from me
and it will be a miracle if he doesn't wind up serving some prison time for his
nazihunter harassment and for fabricating evidence. I am doing my best to get
him some time behind bars and seeing how you acknowledged knowing NAZIHUNTER who
is being investigated perhaps you will be prosecuted as an accessory! Hope you
like gnawing on tube steak you worthless little goober!
>
>a.m.
Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.
perpetrated numerous crimes against me that means you're part of the criminal
enterprise."
Yes, and the moon is made of green cheese.
When I come to Bellville, I'm also going to serve you with my own libel
subpoena.
a.m.
Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.
best to get him some time behind bars and seeing how you acknowledged knowing
NAZIHUNTER who is being investigated perhaps you will be prosecuted as an
accessory! Hope you like gnawing on tube steak you worthless little goober!"
Yes, I'm quite sure that the U.S. government will extradite me to Canada for
crimes committed there of which I was not aware. I guess they could trump up an
accessory after the fact charge on me, except I never did anything to air or
abet "Nazihunter," did I? In fact, by calling him by his first name, I helped
*you*, didn't I?
By the way, Scott: I don't "know" Nazihunter; I just know who he is. I also
know who Bill Clinton is. Does that make me accessory to his perjury?
You know, Scott, if you had half a brain, you'd be a public menace. As you are,
you're just plain funny.
Now go shoot your other foot.
a.m.
Patrick L. Humphrey
>Scott Bradbury spews forth: "You lefties must be planning something big. I see
>three losers come out of the wood work to bash and belittle Irving. I see
>Andrew Mathis, Ken McVay, and Hilary- all three adulators and defenders of
>communists and socialism. I bet next Monday is a special day for you Reds."
>That'd be May Day, if I'm not mistaken. Here's a little trivia quesion for
>you, Scottie: In what nation was May Day first recognized as a labor
>holiday? Your clue is that the Knights of Labor declared it as such in the
>1880s. The U.S. is one of the only countries in the entire world that does
>not observe a labor holiday on May 1 despite it being founded *here*.
Scottie's never been one for confusing himself with facts after he's long
since made his mind up. (Of course, we *do* have a Labor Day, even though
ours is four months later.)
>As for my being a "lefty," well, yes I am. As for my being a "loser," I'd
>suggest you take a good long look in a mirror. As for my being a defender of
>communism, please demonstrate where I've ever defended communism. As for my
>being a socialist, guilty as charged. As for you being the biggest horse's ass
>in the entire state of Texas -- even when the current president resided there
>-- it's a foregone conclusion.
As a resident of Texas who. unfortunately, has only one county between him
and the one Scottie infests, I can attest to that conclusion.
>I'm going to fly to Bellville or wherever the nearest airport is to there when
>the repo men are schedule to repossess whatever you happen to actually own.
>I'll be bringing a Polaroid and a great big smile on my face.
The nearest airport you'll be able to fly to will be IAH (Houston
Intercontinental), and you'll be needing a ride out to Bellville, which is
about 55 miles away from there. May I offer my services?
>You're going to pay, dirtbag. And I'm gonna love it.
You won't be lacking for company. It's going to be a day of rejoicing for a
lot of people in Texas, as well.
>Now go, quick, and treat us all to a quadruple-posted "Doc Tavish Classic
>Repost," you jackass.
He'll claim it was canceled. :-)
--PLH, Scottie's not having a very good run of luck, these days, for some
reason
TRUTH
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
How have I libeled you- you sniveling little worm? You are nothing but a
pipsqueak!
>a.m.
TRUTH
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From: dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 28 Apr 2001 12:33:47 GMT
References: <ed6let42hj1mjh31n...@4ax.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Irving on Irving, 1986
Message-ID: <20010428083347...@ng-cm1.aol.com>
Xref: newsmst01.news.prodigy.com alt.revisionism:932645
On 28 Apr 2001 12:33:47 GMT, <20010428083347...@ng-cm1.aol.com>
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>Bradbury takes a hit off the nearest crackpipe and then writes: "I am doing my
>best to get him some time behind bars and seeing how you acknowledged knowing
>NAZIHUNTER who is being investigated perhaps you will be prosecuted as an
>accessory! Hope you like gnawing on tube steak you worthless little goober!"
>
>Yes, I'm quite sure that the U.S. government will extradite me to Canada for
>crimes committed there of which I was not aware. I guess they could trump up an
>accessory after the fact charge on me, except I never did anything to air or
>abet "Nazihunter," did I? In fact, by calling him by his first name, I helped
>*you*, didn't I?
>
>By the way, Scott: I don't "know" Nazihunter; I just know who he is.
I love how you change your story. I have it archived that you addressed him as
Larry. Looks like you're on a first named basis with the criminal. Perhaps the
FBI will think so as well! Thanks for more proof!
Here is what I have archived:
<START>
From: dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 25 Mar 2001 07:36:57 GMT
References: <5cb64415ff22bd41...@anon.xg.nu>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: What's up Doc?
Message-ID: <20010325023657...@ng-df1.aol.com>
On 25 Mar 2001 07:36:57 GMT, dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.)
wrote:
>Hey, Larry: Why don't you go to hell, eh?
>
>a.m.
<end>
Andrew said the above in reply to this post:
From: "Public <Anonymous_Account>" <rema...@anon.xg.nu>
Subject: What's up Doc?
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Message-ID: <5cb64415ff22bd41...@anon.xg.nu>
Mail-To-News-Contact: ab...@dizum.com
Organization: mail...@dizum.com
Did you know that I can enter your country, drop by North Mechanic Street
and read a newspaper outside of your house in a car with binoculars Doc?
Your law doesn't apply to me Doc. And I'm not stalking, I'm a tourist, and
you are just an attraction in Bell Shit. Everybody knows about you. It's
totally legal to observe a public figure. We won't interfere Doc, we'll
just watch what you do. No harm in that eh?
<end>
Also Andrew Mathis said outright he knows who the Canadian NAZIHUNTER is:
On 25 Mar 2001 19:45:20 GMT, dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.)
wrote:
>Scott,
>
>When someone issues a threat to you and says they're going to be doing it as a
>tourist, and they're writing in English, I have a pretty good notion of who
>they are. This does not imply conspiracy by any stretch of the imagination --
>even one as diseased as your own. Instead, it merely means that the process of
>determining who the Canadian-based Nazihunter is was revealed to me by persons
>who shall remain nameless. I know who he is....
<end>
Andrew said the above in reply to me asking how he knew who an anonymous
poster he called "Larry" was! Larry Laurence Larry- it all comes together.
<STOP>
>I also know who Bill Clinton is.
You don't address him as Bill as you did an anonymous coward just a short time
ago. Is your memory failing you now socialist filth?
>Does that make me accessory to his perjury?
>
>You know, Scott, if you had half a brain, you'd be a public menace. As you are,
>you're just plain funny.
>
>Now go shoot your other foot.
Big talk coming from a pipsqueak who is on record as harassing Matt Giwer's
father! Yep I have you on record as being like your pal! Now crawl back into
your hole you dirty lil' rodent.
BTW I also have you on record as making threats of violence too! Should I
perhaps file a lawsuit against you?
From: Andrew Mathis (fr...@scscomm.com)
Subject: Ten Questions for Doc Tavish - Day Seven
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white
Date: 1997/01/15
"Oh, and a word to Doc: If you have any balls at all, you'd call me a
Nazi to my face (I'm not that hard to find); then I'd beat you like a
red-headed step child."
Looks like you are a violent sort Andrew. That looks actionable as a threat!
I have the original on file too!
Doc Tavish
>a.m.
John Morris
Hash: SHA1
In <1knletcqlef850o4m...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
on Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:29:56 GMT, TRUTH <tr...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> On 28 Apr 2001 12:33:47 GMT,
> <20010428083347...@ng-cm1.aol.com> dctrm...@aol.com
> (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
[snip]
> >By the way, Scott: I don't "know" Nazihunter; I just know who he
> >is.
> I love how you change your story. I have it archived that you
> addressed him as Larry. Looks like you're on a first named basis
> with the criminal. Perhaps the FBI will think so as well! Thanks
> for more proof!
Scott, I have it archived that *you* addressed him as Larry. Looks
like you're on a first named basis with the criminal. Perhaps the FBI
will think so as well! Thanks for more proof!
Here is what I have archived:
<START>
From: Brad Scott <brad_...@my-deja.comNO-SPAM>
Subject: Re: Still Another Supplement to DSA Web Site Names
Socialists In House of Representatives (ABSOLUTE MUST READ!)....
Message-ID: <aq82et85bp2n7bol1...@4ax.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.62.143.153
Remember Larry I will not drop one charge and scratch your lap dog
Scrappy behind the ears the next time you see him. He is afterall
an accessory and Ken McVay too!
<end>
> Also Andrew Mathis said outright he knows who the Canadian
> NAZIHUNTER is:
So did you.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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robert welch
>Bradbury takes a hit off the nearest crackpipe and then writes: "I am doing
my
>best to get him some time behind bars and seeing how you acknowledged knowing
>NAZIHUNTER who is being investigated perhaps you will be prosecuted as an
>accessory! Hope you like gnawing on tube steak you worthless little goober!"
>
>Yes, I'm quite sure that the U.S. government will extradite me to Canada for
>crimes committed there of which I was not aware. I guess they could trump up
an
>accessory after the fact charge on me, except I never did anything to air or
>abet "Nazihunter," did I? In fact, by calling him by his first name, I helped
>*you*, didn't I?
>
>know who Bill Clinton is. Does that make me accessory to his perjury?
>
>You know, Scott, if you had half a brain, you'd be a public menace. As you
are,
>you're just plain funny.
>
>Now go shoot your other foot.
>
What other foot? He's walking around like Lautrec now, the demented loon.
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>In <1knletcqlef850o4m...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
>on Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:29:56 GMT, TRUTH <tr...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>> On 28 Apr 2001 12:33:47 GMT,
>> <20010428083347...@ng-cm1.aol.com> dctrm...@aol.com
>> (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> >By the way, Scott: I don't "know" Nazihunter; I just know who he
>> >is.
>> I love how you change your story. I have it archived that you
>> addressed him as Larry. Looks like you're on a first named basis
>> with the criminal. Perhaps the FBI will think so as well! Thanks
>> for more proof!
I attach at the bottom what John Morris deleted.
>Scott, I have it archived that *you* addressed him as Larry. Looks
>like you're on a first named basis with the criminal. Perhaps the FBI
>will think so as well! Thanks for more proof!
I am being victimized by your and Andrew's pal Larry but you two aren't!
See the difference!? I doubt it!
>Here is what I have archived:
>
><START>
>
> From: Brad Scott <brad_...@my-deja.comNO-SPAM>
> Subject: Re: Still Another Supplement to DSA Web Site Names
> Socialists In House of Representatives (ABSOLUTE MUST READ!)....
> Message-ID: <aq82et85bp2n7bol1...@4ax.com>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.62.143.153
>
> Remember Larry I will not drop one charge and scratch your lap dog
> Scrappy behind the ears the next time you see him. He is afterall
> an accessory and Ken McVay too!
True and why do I know that he is Larry? Because of YOU!
><end>
>
>> Also Andrew Mathis said outright he knows who the Canadian
>> NAZIHUNTER is:
>So did you.
I am the one being victimized by "Larry" not Andrew!
What John Morris deleted:
On 28 Apr 2001 12:33:47 GMT, <20010428083347...@ng-cm1.aol.com>
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>Bradbury takes a hit off the nearest crackpipe and then writes: "I am doing my
>best to get him some time behind bars and seeing how you acknowledged knowing
>NAZIHUNTER who is being investigated perhaps you will be prosecuted as an
>accessory! Hope you like gnawing on tube steak you worthless little goober!"
>
>Yes, I'm quite sure that the U.S. government will extradite me to Canada for
>crimes committed there of which I was not aware. I guess they could trump up an
>accessory after the fact charge on me, except I never did anything to air or
>abet "Nazihunter," did I? In fact, by calling him by his first name, I helped
>*you*, didn't I?
>
>By the way, Scott: I don't "know" Nazihunter; I just know who he is.
I love how you change your story. I have it archived that you addressed him as
Larry. Looks like you're on a first named basis with the criminal. Perhaps the
FBI will think so as well! Thanks for more proof!
Here is what I have archived:
<START>
From: dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 25 Mar 2001 07:36:57 GMT
References: <5cb64415ff22bd41...@anon.xg.nu>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: What's up Doc?
Message-ID: <20010325023657...@ng-df1.aol.com>
On 25 Mar 2001 07:36:57 GMT, dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.)
wrote:
>Hey, Larry: Why don't you go to hell, eh?
>
>a.m.
<end>
Andrew said the above in reply to this post:
From: "Public <Anonymous_Account>" <rema...@anon.xg.nu>
Subject: What's up Doc?
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Message-ID: <5cb64415ff22bd41...@anon.xg.nu>
Mail-To-News-Contact: ab...@dizum.com
Organization: mail...@dizum.com
Did you know that I can enter your country, drop by North Mechanic Street
and read a newspaper outside of your house in a car with binoculars Doc?
Your law doesn't apply to me Doc. And I'm not stalking, I'm a tourist, and
you are just an attraction in Bell Shit. Everybody knows about you. It's
totally legal to observe a public figure. We won't interfere Doc, we'll
just watch what you do. No harm in that eh?
<end>
Also Andrew Mathis said outright he knows who the Canadian NAZIHUNTER is:
On 25 Mar 2001 19:45:20 GMT, dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.)
wrote:
>Scott,
Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.
You're going to pay through the nose, Bradbury. So go ahead and say what you
like. When Yale's done with you, I'm going to come after you myself.
a.m.
Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.
Larry is *not* my friend. By addressing by his first name, I hoped to indicate
to him that he was a known entity and was no longer anonymous and should
therefore cut his crap out.
If you can't understand that, then you are even more immensely stupid than I'd
ever pondered.
You're going to lose a big lawsuit and I'm going to laugh while they repossess
everything you have.
a.m.
Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.
times -- each one of them actionable. Luckily, I live in Pennsylvania now, and
luckily, I know a lawyer who will take my case -- probably for free. And we all
know that I can use Pennsylvania as my venue, don't we?
You lose -- again.
a.m.
NIZKOR WATCH
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
Big talk coming from a pipsqueak and from a person who thinks a criminal (Yale)
and a manufacturer of evidence has any sort of edge on me.
What are you going to come after me for? I hurt your feelings? BOO HOO! Tough
talk from an insignificant little worm of a man!
Doc Tavish
>a.m.
NIZKOR WATCH
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>Dickhead--
Now I know what you think of when you think of me. Your salivation is showing!
Perhaps you should become a mohel and then you could see a bunch of them.
>Larry is *not* my friend. By addressing by his first name, I hoped to indicate
>to him that he was a known entity and was no longer anonymous and should
>therefore cut his crap out.
So you say.
>If you can't understand that, then you are even more immensely stupid than I'd
>ever pondered.
Those hurt feelings are showing. BOO HOO!
>You're going to lose a big lawsuit
Big lawsuit? I am laughing my ass off! Edeiken Vs Bradbury ala 1999-C-2786
is a kook lawsuit with no merit. It is filled with manufactured evidence,
perjury, and out right lies without any support at all.
>and I'm going to laugh while they repossess everything you have.
In your wildest dreams you insignificant little wimp. Now go to your sandbox and
play.
BTW do you still wish to threaten more violence against me such as you did in
this instance hypocrite?
From: Andrew Mathis (fr...@scscomm.com)
Subject: Ten Questions for Doc Tavish - Day Seven
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white
Date: 1997/01/15
"Oh, and a word to Doc: If you have any balls at all, you'd call me a
Nazi to my face (I'm not that hard to find); then I'd beat you like a
red-headed step child."
Violence or do you still want to take me out for a drink even though I may be
underaged like you offered a couple of years ago? All on file you know!
Doc Tavish
>a.m.
Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.
undoing.
a.m.
Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.
understand, all that remains is whether or not the judge in this case is going
to reopen your case or rest on the previous judgment.
In short, Yale has already won. It's just a question of whether or not his win
will be upheld.
When it is, then I'll come after you. Why? Because you so desperately deserve
it.
No mercy, jackass.
a.m.
NIZKOR WATCH
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>I know it's all on file, dickhead, which is what is going to be your (further)
>undoing.
I am trembling in my BVDs wimp!
>
>a.m.
NIZKOR WATCH
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
Big talk from a wimp!
>
>a.m.
Hilary Ostrov
<6h5letsqfr06qg2nv...@4ax.com>, [Scott Bradbury posing
as] TRUTH <tr...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 07:05:21 GMT, <aumketggbmeiejdg8...@4ax.com>
>Hilary Ostrov <hos...@telus.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:43:32 -0500, in
>><p58ietc6o4afdekjh...@4ax.com>, [Scott Bradbury posing
>>as] TRUTH <tr...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:05:43 GMT, <c8gcetkp8d1tma7n7...@4ax.com>
>>>Hilary Ostrov <hos...@telus.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>One of the more amusing rationalizations from one of Irving's
>>>>supporters, during the course of last year's libel trial,
>>>
>>>You lefties must be planning something big.
>>
>>Translation: Bradbury and his allied societal misfits are up to no
>>good, as usual. It's interesting that there has been a spate of
>>forged posts and cancels lately, and an exhortation by one of Cummins'
>>sock-puppets to increase the practice of he former. Your exercises in
>>premature projection and speculation have always been so very telling,
>>Mr. Bradbury. I'm inclined to think that this one will prove to be no
>>exception.
>
>I wasn't the one forging posts-[...]
Perhaps not. But your posting pattern here - and that of your cohorts
- suggests that there is no compelling reason that anyone should
accept your word for this. I'm really not interested in further
diversionary iterations of your delusional ramblings, Mr. Bradbury, so
I've snipped them.
But I am interested in your explanation for your little dance back to
the future, i.e. how the "Nazihunter/Finder" personna managed to
"respond" to that July 6/00 post of yours - a full hour and forty
minutes before you made it.
hro
John Morris
Hash: SHA1
In <a29metgm23kohsihm...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
on Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:17:06 GMT, NIZKOR WATCH
<doc_t...@my-deja.comDELETE2MAIL-NO-SPAM> wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:13:56 GMT,
> <331met864lsg0tlgo...@4ax.com> John Morris
> <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:
> >In <1knletcqlef850o4m...@4ax.com> in
> >alt.revisionism, on Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:29:56 GMT, TRUTH
> ><tr...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >> On 28 Apr 2001 12:33:47 GMT,
> >> <20010428083347...@ng-cm1.aol.com>
> >> dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
> >[snip]
> >> >By the way, Scott: I don't "know" Nazihunter; I just know who
> >> >he is.
> >> I love how you change your story. I have it archived that you
> >> addressed him as Larry. Looks like you're on a first named basis
> >> with the criminal. Perhaps the FBI will think so as well! Thanks
> >> for more proof!
> I attach at the bottom what John Morris deleted.
Why? Do you think people are too stupid to scroll back up through
the thread?
> >Scott, I have it archived that *you* addressed him as Larry. Looks
> >like you're on a first named basis with the criminal. Perhaps the
> >FBI will think so as well! Thanks for more proof!
> I am being victimized by your and Andrew's pal Larry but you two
> aren't! See the difference!? I doubt it!
Of course I can see the difference.
Unfortunately, you cannot see that the evidence you gave to support
your claim that Andrew Mathis knows Laurence Shiff is identical to
the evidence I gave to support the same claim against you.
Now, that does not mean that I am accusing you a personal connection
with Shiff. It simply means that your accusation against Mathis is
not supported by the evidence you gave.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Buster Cherry
<szku239...@eris.io.com>:
YOUR GAY LOVER KEEPS CANCELING HIS POSTS.
Buster Cherry
<20010428170650...@ng-ma1.aol.com>:
>As I understand it, a judgment has already been made against you. As I
>further understand, all that remains is whether or not the judge in
>this case is going to reopen your case or rest on the previous
>judgment.
>
>In short, Yale has already won. It's just a question of whether or not
>his win will be upheld.
FROM WHAT I HAVE READ EDEIKEN WILL BE DAMNED LUCKY IF HE STAYS OUT OF
PRISON. NO JUDGMENT HAS EVER BEEN UPHELD ONCE IT IS PROVEN THE PLAINTIFF
LIED REPEATEDLY AND DID CRIMINAL ACTS AGAINST HIS OPPONENT. NO WAY JOSE.
>
>When it is, then I'll come after you. Why? Because you so desperately
>deserve it.
>
>No mercy, jackass.
YOU'RE AN ARROGANT COCK SUCKER ARE YOU NOT?
>
>a.m.
>
Sara
(Buster Cherry) wrote:
> dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote in
> <20010428170650...@ng-ma1.aol.com>:
>
> >As I understand it, a judgment has already been made against you. As I
> >further understand, all that remains is whether or not the judge in
> >this case is going to reopen your case or rest on the previous
> >judgment.
> >
> >In short, Yale has already won. It's just a question of whether or not
> >his win will be upheld.
>
> FROM WHAT I HAVE READ EDEIKEN WILL BE DAMNED LUCKY IF HE STAYS OUT OF
> PRISON. NO JUDGMENT HAS EVER BEEN UPHELD ONCE IT IS PROVEN THE PLAINTIFF
> LIED REPEATEDLY AND DID CRIMINAL ACTS AGAINST HIS OPPONENT. NO WAY JOSE.
From what you've read? You've been reading the idiotic outbursts of
Scott Bradbury and Pat Blakely, haven't you?
try reading court records next time, Sparky.
>
> >
> >When it is, then I'll come after you. Why? Because you so desperately
> >deserve it.
> >
> >No mercy, jackass.
>
> YOU'RE AN ARROGANT COCK SUCKER ARE YOU NOT?
> >
> >a.m.
> >
>
No, he's not. He's an American citizen who is sick and tired of Scott
Bradbury's sociopathy.
Sara
--
"It's always nice to see a prejudice overruled by a deeper prejudice."
John Sayles, _Lone Star_
Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.
Arrogant? Yes, I am. As for the second half of your question, is that way of
asking for a date?
a.m.
Patrick L. Humphrey
Quit your trembling, Whale Boy. We're getting malodorous gusts of wind down
here in Houston -- from the direction of Bellville.
--PLH, and I could have used them earlier in the day, while I was pedaling
cross-county to Highlands
__NIZKOR WATCH__
Sure looks like you still troll for dates Andrew. Someone calls you a "cock
sucker" and right away you think someone is trying to hit on you. I guess
that shows your orientation.
I bet that you being a socialist you:
1) Believe in Gay Rights, marriages etc.
2) Are pro-death or pro-abortion
3) Believe in redistribution of wealth
4) Believe in a strong centralized government or nanny state
5) Believe private citizens should not be allowed firearms ownership
6) Are against tax cuts
7) Are against people deciding for themselves which doctor they want to see
8) Believe the Red Chinese are not any threat to America
9) Believe Marx was a brilliant economist
10) Believe Fidel Castro is a hero
11) Believe Palestinians have no civil rights
12) Believe any speech which is negative toward Jews is ALL
13) Believe that you are tolerant
14) Believe that you are the only one who is correct with the socialist
mindset
15) Believe that socialism is the best thing for mankind
16) Believe the Soviet Union was the worker's utopia before the Americans fouled
up the "dream."
17) Believe Ronald Reagan, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage and others are all
closeted Nazis or fascists.
18) Believe Al Gore would be better for America than G.W. Bush.
19) Believe America would really be great with socialists controlling all three
branches of the American Government
20) Believe those labeled as "anti-Semites" should be prosecuted for hate
speech.
Some insight on Democratic Socialists of America (from their own web pages and
links): (All links were active November 2000)
Folks want to see who is working against our forefathers' dream of a
Constitutional Republic? Here are the links and the search engine to find out
who is undermining the Constitution which guarantees at least for now in
America:
Constitution of the United States
Article IV, Section 4:
- Republican form of government guaranteed.
Each state to be protected.
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a
Republican form of Government, and shall protect each of them against
Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive
(when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."
(We are being invaded and attacked from within. The communists/socialists
are taking over without firing a shot! Doc Tavish)
Links active today November 12, 2000
Go to Democratic Socialists web page
http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html
and once there click the "magnifying glass" to activate the search engine
http://www.dsausa.org/search.html
and enter as key words: Progressive Caucus and you will get:
DSA Site Search Results
----------------------------------------------------------------
The Keyword(s) you searched :: progressive caucus
----------------------------------------------------------------
The Results of the search are : 2 Entries found 1 The Progressive Caucus
http://www.netprogress.org/
Matched with keywords :: 100 %
Click the above link to get:
"The Progressive Challenge
In January 1997, members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus
<http://www.netprogress.org/legis/index.htm > and leaders from a growing
coalition of progressive non-governmental organizations
<http://www.netprogress.org/sponsors/index.htm> held a public conference on
Capitol Hill to highlight the little-publicized fact that 52 Congressional
candidates running on explicitly progressive agendas unanimously won their
sought-after seats in the '96 November elections. The event emphasized the need
to reinvigorate efforts to articulate an agenda for America that engages
Congresspeople, activists, scholars, and citizens in a national debate and
struggle for progressive priorities at the state, local, and national level.
Since then, the Progressive Challenge coalition has conducted public and
congressional briefings, debates and a Congressional Caucus State of the Union
Address, and membership in the 105th Congress Progressive Caucus stood at 58.
This legacy will continue in the 106th Congress."
The link shown above or <http://www.netprogress.org/legis/index.htm >
when clicked will show a virtual rogue's gallery of socialists infesting our
government!
Here is the listing of Congressional Committees and the Socialists on them:
House Committees
Agriculture
Earl Hilliard
Bennie Thompson
Appropriations
Julian Dixon
Marcy Kaptur
Carrie Meek
John Olver
Ed Pastor
Nancy Pelosi
Jose Serrano
Louis Stokes
Esteban Torres
Banking & Financial Services Democrats
Julia Carson
Barney Frank
Luis Gutierrez
Maurice Hinchey
Jesse L. Jackson, Jr.
John J. LaFalce
Cynthia McKinney
Bernie Sanders
Nydia Velasquez
Maxine Waters
Mel Watt
Lynn Woolsey
Budget Democrats
Patsy Mink
Lynn Rivers
Bennie Thompson
Committee on Commerce Democrats
Diana DeGette
Elizabeth Furse
Henry Waxman
Committee on Education and the Workforce
Chaka Fattah
George Miller
Patsy Mink
Major Owens
Donald Payne
Carlos Romero-Barcelo'
John F. Tierney
Lynn Woolsey
Committee on Government Reform & Oversight
Danny Davis
Chaka Fattah
Dennis Kucinich
Eleanor Holmes Norton
Major Owens
Bernie Sanders
John F. Tierney
Henry Waxman
Committee on House Oversight
Committee on International Relations
Eni Faleomavaega
Alcee Hastings
Earl Hilliard
Dennis Kucinich
Cynthia McKinney
Donald Payne
Committee on the Judiciary
John Conyers
Barney Frank
Jerry Nadler
Maxine Waters
Mel Watt
Committee on National Security
Neil Abercrombie
Lane Evans
Committee on Resources
Neil Abercrombie
Peter DeFazio
Eni Faleomavaega
Maurice Hinchey
George Miller
Carlos Romero-Barcelo'
Committee on Rules
Committee on Science
Alcee Hastings
Lynn Rivers
Select Committee on Intelligence
Julian Dixon
Nancy Pelosi
Committee on Small Business
Danny Davis
Jesse L. Jackson, Jr.
John J. LaFalce
Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure
Peter DeFazio
Corrine Brown
Bob Filner
James P. McGovern
Jerry Nadler
Eleanor Holmes Norton
Committee on Veterans Affairs
Lane Evans
Bob Filner
Luis Gutierrez
Julia Carson
Corrine Brown
Committee on Ways and Means
John Lewis
William Coyne
Charles Rangel
Xavier Becerra
Pete Stark
Jim McDermott
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Here is the Socialists' Steering Committee
U.S. House Progressive Caucus
Staff Coordinator
Carrie Lynch
202-225-6416
2134 Rayburn H.O.B.
Washington D.C.
20515
Steering Commitee
Peter DeFazio, Chair
(D, OR-4)
pdef...@hr.house.gov
Lane Evans
(D, IL-17)
Maurice Hinchey
(Economic Security)
(D, NY-26)
Jesse L. Jackson, Jr. (D, IL-2)
(The "Reverend" Jesse Jackson's son!)
Cynthia McKinney (Media)
(D, GA-4)
Major Owens (Program)
(D, NY-11)
Bernie Sanders (Strategy)
(I, VT-At Large)
Nydia Velazquez (D, NY-12)
Maxine Waters (D, CA-35)
Lynn Woolsey (D, CA-6)
woo...@hr.house.gov
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Members
Neil Abercrombie (D, HI-1)
ne...@abercrombie.house.gov
Xavier Becerra (D, CA-30)
David Bonior (D, MI-10)
Corrine Brown (D, FL-3)
George E. Brown, Jr. (D, CA-42)
talk...@hr.house.gov
Julia Carson (D, IN-10)
rep.c...@mail.house.gov
John Conyers (D, MI-14)
jcon...@hr.house.gov
William Coyne (D, PA-14)
Danny Davis (D, IL-7)
danny...@mail.house.gov
Diana DeGette (D, CO-1)
Julian Dixon (D, CA-32)
Eni Faleomavaega (D, AS-Del)
Chaka Fattah (D, PA-2)
Bob Filner (D, CA-50)
Barney Frank (D, MA-4)
Luis Gutierrez (D, IL-4)
lu...@hr.house.gov
Alcee Hastings (D, FL-23)
hast...@hr.house.gov
Earl Hilliard (D, AL-7)
Marcy Kaptur (D, OH-9)
rep.k...@mail.house.gov
Dennis Kucinich (D, OH-10)
John J. LaFalce (D, NY-29)
Barbara Lee (D, CA-9)
John Lewis (D, GA-5)
Carrie Meek (D, FL-17)
Jim McDermott (D, WA-7)
James P. McGovern (D, MA-3)
George Miller (D, CA-7)
george.m...@hr.house.gov
Patsy Mink (D, HI-2)
Jerry Nadler (D, NY-8)
jerrold...@mail.house.gov
Eleanor Holmes Norton (D, DC-Del)
John Olver (D, MA-1)
john....@mail.house.gov
Ed Pastor (D, AZ-2)
ed.p...@mail.house.gov
Donald Payne (D, NJ-10)
Nancy Pelosi (D, CA-8)
sf.n...@mail.house.gov
Charles Rangel (D, NY-15)
Lynn Rivers (D, MI-13)
Carlos Romero-Barcelo'(D, PR-Del)
Jose Serrano (D, NY-16)
jser...@mail.house.gov
Pete Stark (D, CA-13)
pete...@hr.house.gov
Stephanie Tubbs-Jones (D, OH-11)
Bennie Thompson (D, MS-2)
ms...@hr.house.gov
John F. Tierney (D, MA-6)
Esteban Torres (D, CA-43)
arco...@hr.house.gov
Mel Watt (D, NC-12)
mel...@hr.house.gov
Henry Waxman (D, CA-29)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As a reminder the DSA home page does not disguise its "redistribute
the wealth" ideology. It says plainly:
http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html
"Democratic Socialists of America share a vision of a humane international
social order based on equitable distribution of resources..."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
http://www.dsausa.org/archive/index.html
Here are some of the Fight Songs which can be linked to the socialists in our
American Congress!
http://www.dsausa.org/archive/Docs/Songs.html
From 1995 -- DSA Songs
Red Revolution
(to the tune of "When the Red, Red Robbin, Comes Bob, Bob Bobbin Along"
author: Ruy Texeira, Madison DSOC and/or Rick Kunnes, former NAM
Organizational Secretary 1979-1981)
When the Red Revolution
Brings Its Solution
Along, Along
There'll be no more lootin'
When we start shootin'
That Wall Street throng
Wake up you proletarians
Don't act like seminarians
Expropriate Barbarians
Build a Workers' Republic
Exploitation and Degradation
You Won't Find Here
Surplus Value and Capital Will Disappear
I'm Just a Red again,
Saying what I've said again,
When the Red Revolution... da, da, da, da
Brings Its Solution...da, da, da, da, da
A long
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Are You Sleeping, Bourgeoisie
Traditional American song, sung in rounds to the tune of "Frere Jacques".
Are you sleeping, Are you sleeping,
Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie,
And when the revolution comes,
We'll kill you all with knives and guns,
Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie
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Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie, See How They Run
Usually sung in rounds after "Are You Sleeping, Bourgeoisie". Sung to the tune
of "Three Blind Mice".
Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie,
See how they run,
See how they run
And when the revolution comes,
We'll kill them all with knives and guns,
Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Inter-Factional
Written at the end of the Summer 1985 DSA Youth Conference after endless
nitpicking over a re-draft of the YS's statement of principles, "Which Way
America".
To the tune of The Internationale
Arise, ye prisoners of group process
Arise, correctors of poor verse.
For just as we reach a consensus,
Still "better" words are birthed,
No more facilitators bind us,
No motions will be called
The text shall rise in new rephrasements,
It was all rot, it shall be awed.
Chorus
'Tis the final conflict
Let each stand by her phrase
The International Working Draft
Shall reach the human race
(repeat chorus)
Some dream of liberal coalition,
Decry the wreckage of the earth.
Each Caucus thunders condemnation.
Priorities are reversed!
One day the printer's ink will bind us,
Red and Greens, no more will stall.
"Which Way A-mer-i-ca" shall triumph,
It was all rot, it shall be awed
(Chorus)
*with apologies to Pierre Deguyter (1871)
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<end>
See what the socialists really think of Real Americans people? Their very own
words too! The link above is active 11/22/2000 for YOUR verification!
Remember to see the Congress people who have identified themselves with DSA aka
Democratic Socialists of America just follow this:
Go to Democratic Socialists web page
http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html
and once there click the "magnifying glass" to activate the search engine
http://www.dsausa.org/search.html
and enter as key words: Progressive Caucus and you will get:
The Results of the search are : 2 Entries found 1 The Progressive Caucus
http://www.netprogress.org/
Matched with keywords :: 100 %
Then click: "In January 1997, members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus <
http://www.netprogress.org/legis/index.htm> and leaders from a growing
coalition...
You will get all 58 socialists infesting our American Congress by name and in
many cases their history of voting and other "activities" in Congress.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
--
http://www.dsausa.org/archive/index.html
From the link above find this:
"Lingo - how to understand left lingo."
Click "Lingo" or its link here:
http://www.dsausa.org/archive/Docs/Lingo.html
(Link active for 11/13/2000)
And you will see that DSA aka Democratic Socialists are all about communism,
trotskyism, marxism etc.
Here is "lefty" lingo in their own words!
<start>
Left-Wing Lingo, Ideologies and History
written by J. Hughes Please send suggestions for additions to: (e-mail)
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Socialist Ideologies
Utopian, Communitarian Socialism
Anarchism
Communism, Marxism
Social Democracy
Fabianism
Marxist-Leninism
Trotskyism
Maoism
Schactmanism I
Schactmanism II
Euro-Communism
New Left
Contemporary American Democratic Left
Radical Democracy
Democratic Marxism, and other kinds of democratic socialism
Socialist Feminism, and other kinds of feminism
Black Socialism, and other kinds of people of color politics
Eco-Socialism, and other kinds of green politics
Family Tree
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Utopian, Communitarian Socialism
Theory: Though there are a great variety of utopian movements and thinkers, this
particular strain of utopianism advocates changing society by adopting
egalitarian lifestyles, and building cooperatives and communes which embody the
good society and set an example for the rest of the world.
Praxis: There have been many socialist communes and communalists throughout
history, but the best known U.S. experiments were those conducted in the 19th
century, such as the Fourierists, Owen's New Harmony, and the Oneida community.
They were inspired by a variety of ideologies, religious and secular. Their
largest modern descendents in the U.S. are the Fellowship for Intentional
Community, and the Federation of Egalitarian Communities around the Virginia
commune Twin Oaks (also here)..
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Anarchism
Theory: Sometimes also referred to as libertarian socialism{See also this FAQ].
Opposed to all relations of domination, including the State, Family, Religion,
and the Rich. Opposed to the Marxist idea of a transitional reliance on a
socialist State, believing it will inevitably result in another form of tyranny.
Anarcho-syndicalists specify that the means and ends of social change should be
workers' power through unions, replacing government with a federation of
industrial-based worker organizations. (See also aBibliography and FAQ)
Praxis: In Europe associated with the writings of Bakunin and Kropotkin; in the
U.S. represented by figures such as Emma Goldman; worldwide, there have been and
are many individuals and groupings since the 19th century. The chief
anarcho-syndicalists in the U.S. are the Industrial Workers of the World.
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Communism, Marxism, Scientific Socialism
Theory: Marx outlined a "dialectical materialist" theory of history postulating
that the nature of the technological and economic system of each society
determines the power relations within that society, dividing society between
those who own and control the means of production and those who are exploited.
These classes struggle over resources, and when the technological and economic
base of society changes, a new class develops to overthrow the previous ruling
class.
The final stage of this dialectical process is the world-wide polarization
between the industrial working class and the owners of industry; after the
proletariat overthrows the bourgeoisie there will be no more class divisions and
humanity will consciously control its own evolution.
Social democratic reforms in the short-term, towards the replacement of
capitalism (the private ownership of means of production) with "social
ownership" (socialism). The democratic advancement of the masses' interests
replaces the "dictatorship" of bourgeois democracy with the "dictatorship" of
the working class under socialism. Finally, the idea of ownership itself will
disappear, as will all vestiges of class divisions, and therefore the need for a
State will disappear, which is the stage of communism. [Another summary of
Marxism]
Praxis: As a movement, can probably be dated from the founding of the
International Workingmen's Association, 1864-1876, within which Marx (1818-1883)
and Bakunin were the two ideological poles. In the U.S.: probably the "De
Leonist" Socialist Labor Party is the first, most orthodox, and one of the
smallest, Marxist parties, founded before 1900.
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Social Democracy
Theory: To use working people's parties within parliamentary democracy to
achieve social reforms, and eventually socialism.
Theoretical Varieties: Christian Socialism; Labor Zionism, creation of a
socialist Israel; eventually the Israeli Labor Party and MAPAM; Marxist
Socialism, a minor strain in all social democratic parties to the present. When
referring to contemporary European socialist, social democratic and labor
parties, called "Euro-socialism."
Praxis: Usually dated from the founding of the (2nd) Socialist International,
1889-WWI, 1923-present. In the U.S. from the founding of the U.S. Socialist
Party (SP), 1900-1972, and DSOC-DSA 1972-present.
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Guild Socialism
Theory: Industry should be owned by the state or "commune" and managed by
workers organized in local and national guilds Praxis: In the writings of G.D.H.
Cole and the British Guilds Restoration Movement, 1913-1929; eventually
overshadowed by British Social Democracy.
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Fabianism
Theory: Socialism will be the result a slow, hopefully peaceful, evolution, as
rational, scientific states restructure our irrational society. Scientists are
the vanguard of this shift, not the working class, though there may be a
fruitful alliance of the two. As a result they had a weakness for authoritarian
regimes, such as Soviet Russia, and for ideas such as eugenics and progressive
imperialism. On the other hand, they were creative thinkers associated with
internationalism and the cooperative movement, and as backers of the labor
movement and the Labor Party.
Praxis: Associated with the intellectuals of the British Fabian Society from
about 1880 to 1920, until the British Labor Party and Marxism, in its Leninist
and democratic forms, shunted their ideas aside. Some of their well-known
members included the science fiction author H.G. Wells, George Bernard Shaw, and
the cooperativists Sidney and Beatrice Webb, who founded the London School of
Economics. [Also see a wacky conspiracy theory look at the Fabians.] Today's
Fabian Society [fabian-...@geo2.geonet.de] is more of a democratic socialist
think-tank for the British Labor Party than a distinct ideological tendency.
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Marxist-Leninism, Bolshevism, Communism
Theory: Since workers can only achieve trade-union consciousness , they must be
led by a vanguard party of Marxist-Leninist revolutionaries. This party must be
governed by military discipline, and "democratic centralism" : party-membership
is tightly controlled and all members must keep party discipline, not
contradicting the party-line in public, but only through internal "democratic"
debate. The party newspaper plays a central role. The party relies heavily on
front-organizations, ostensibly independent but actually controlled by the Party
Praxis: Usually dated from the USSR's founding of the (3rd) Communist
International, 1920-1956. In the U.S.: Communist Party USA (CPUSA),
1920-present.
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Trotskyism
Praxis: Leon Trotsky, a Bolshevik leader and factional opponent of Stalin,
exiled from Russia in 1929 for his advocacy of more power to industrial worker
organizations against the Stalinist party machine. Murdered by a Stalinist
assassin in Mexico in 1940. As a movement, associated with Trotsky's founding of
the "Fourth International", 1938-present. In the US, Trotskyism was originally
associated with the Socialist Worker's Party (SWP or "Swoops"), 1940-present.
Some assert that in the late 1970s the SWP became "Castroists." Today Trotskyism
is more vividly represented by the Spartacist League ("the Sparts"), the
Workers' League and the International Socialist Organization.
Occasionally Trotskyists practice the tactic of "entryism," joining a larger,
mass socialist or labour party in order to win more influence, while continuing
to exist as a separate political party. The most successful example of
Trotskyist entrism was conducted by the British Militant Tendency, which took
over sections of the British Labour Party in the 70s and 80s, until being purged
in the 90s.
Theory: Stalinist Russia is a deformed worker's State , more progressive than
capitalism and therefore worthy of being defended against imperialist (US)
aggression, but needs an internal proletarian revolution to throw out the
bureaucrats. (While the collapse of East Europan Communism would appear to have
made this core project moot, Trotskyists today are buoyed in the belief that
their version of - as yet untried - socialism has been vindicated over the
Communist and social democratic versions.)
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Maoism
Theory: China should lead a united, revolutionary Third World against Soviet and
American imperialism. Peasants can be the backbone of "proletarian" revolution
if led by a Communist Party. Once in power Communists must engage in constant
struggle ("Cultural Revolution") against the feudal and bourgeois elements
entrenched in the socialist State. Continuous group criticism and self-criticism
by party cadres is a key form of ideological purification.
Praxis: In the US: the tiny Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP) - following the
immortal teachings of Marx-Lenin-MaoTseTung-Bob Avakian thought - the Maoist
International Movement, the Committee to Support the Revolution in Peru, and the
Progressive Labor Party (PLP).
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Schactmanism I, post-Trotskyist Leninism
Theory: Associated with Max Schactman, an associate of Trotsky, in 1940 in the
U.S. Communism in Russia and the Third World is not simply "deformed workers'
states" (Trotsky's formulation) but "bureaucratic collectivism" or "state
capitalism," the forced accumulation of capital for industrialization by a
bureaucratic class. Socialists should struggle for international revolution by
democratic workers' organizations against both Communism and capitalism, since
both are undemocratic societies dominated by ruling classes.
Praxis: From 1940 to 1958 represented by Schactman's Worker's Party, and after
the WP's merger with the U.S. Socialist Party in 1958, by Schactman's faction of
the SP. Today this Leninist, revolutionary phase of Schactmanism is best
represented in the journal New Politics, and in the organizations Solidarity and
the International Socialist Organization (though neither organization would
answer to "Schactmanite," preferring something like "revolutionary, Third
Campist, socialist-feminist, democratic Leninism").
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Schactmanism II, Laborist Neo-Conservatism
Theory: The AFL-CIO is the only legitimate representative of the American
working class, and the Democratic Party must become a more legitimate social
democratic/labor party by "moving to the center" and down-playing gay rights,
abortion and civil liberties. Socialists must side with U.S. foreign policy
against Communist totalitarianism, as in funding the Nicaraguan contras and
supporting nuclear weapons in Europe and the Pacific.
Praxis: In the U.S. (and only in the U.S.): the Social Democrats USA (SDUSA,
"Seduce-a") 1972-present, entrenched in the upper echelons of the AFL-CIO.
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Euro-Communism
Theory: A response to Krushchev's Stalin revelations, and the post-War
impracticality of revolution in the West, led by Enrico Berlinguer of the
Italian Communists (PCI), but also Spanish, Dutch, British, Japanese and other
Communists. Professed independence from Soviet foreign policy; criticism of
Czechoslovakia '68, Afghanistan, etc. Acknowledged that conditions in the West
demanded democratic means of struggle, including a broad "anti-corporate
coalition" with liberals and socialists, leading finally to a "discontinuous
break" with capitalism.
Praxis: Really a phenomenon of the 1950s-early 1980s, though many Communist
Parties outside of Communist countries moved a little bit in this direction.
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New Left, 1960-1970's
Theory: Central document was the "Port Huron Statement" of 1964, penned by Tom
Hayden and ratified as the ideological statement of the Students for a
Democratic Society. Professed "participatory democracy," as opposed to the
power-elite-dominated Western representative democracies, and the
power-elite-dominated authoritarian Communist societies . Also advocated
participatory democracy internally, as opposed to the use of party discipline
and hierarchy. Saw the agents of social change in "substitute proletarians": the
urban poor and black liberation movement, Third World peasant liberation
movements (Vietnam), and the student movement. Open to work with Leninists,
ignoring old Socialist-Communist divisions - a feature which led to their quick
demise. [See also Sixties Project Primary Document Archive]
Praxis: Internationally, almost every country had a New Left organization
between 1965-1970. In the U.S., principally the Students for a Democratic
Society (SDS) 1960-1969; the Weathermen,1969-late 70's, a guerrilla organization
that came out of SDS; the New American Movement (NAM) 1970-1982, a democratic
socialist organization that came out of SDS. Some groups, such as the Yippies
and the Diggers harked back to a more counter-cultural and anarcho-cooperative
model of social change. A French New Left movement, Situationaism, actually
began in the 50's growing out of leftist DaDaism and Surrealism, and had a
strong theoretical impact on the Paris '68 uprising and other European student
movements. [See also the Sixties Project and Vietnam Era Project]
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Contemporary American Democratic Left
Radical Democracy
Theory Focuses on overturning all forms of domination. The ethical principles
underlying all the diverse movements that make up "the Left" are those of
democracy: freedom, equality and solidarity must be extended into every sphere
of life, including race, gender, the civil sphere, and the economy. In this
sense radical democracy transcends Marxism, by including the insights of Marxist
analysis while rejecting the Marxist assertion that the economy and class are
the most fundamental forms of domination. The Left has gone astray when it has
elevated equality above the other components of democracy, such as civil freedom
and free elections. See Laclau and Mouffe's Hegemony and Socialist Strategy:
Towards a Radical Democratic Politics and "Reflections on Strategy in a Dark
Time: Radical Democracy" by Richard Flacks, with a dozen respondents, in March
1996 Boston Review.
Praxis: Some would claim that the radical democratic tradition began with the
American and French Revolutions. Some would cite the early Students for a
Democratic Society's Port Huron document as the mid-Cold War re-birth. Today
radical democracy is embodied in many political movements, but is perhaps most
self-consciously acknowledged in the Citizen Action movement, the post-Marxist
wings of DSA, and the Committees of Correspondence.
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Democratic Marxism
Theory: The State as a relatively autonomous "contestable terrain" for the
organized, self-conscious constituencies of the working class, through an open,
inclusive political party (a left Democratic Party or third party) and a radical
labor movement. Socialists organize a coalition of the sinking bottom third and
the sliding middle third of America (the bulk of the poor and the working middle
class) against the wealthy and corporations; central, necessary role for
organized labor. Influenced by Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci; socialists
struggle to wrest ideological hegemony away from the ruling class, and gain
hegemony for radical ideology. The leading exponent in the U.S. has been Michael
Harrington. Also well described in the pamphlet "Toward a Democratic Socialism:
Theory, Strategy, and Vision" (1991) by Joseph Schwartz, member of the DSA
National Political Committee.
Praxis: In the U.S., represented in the Democratic Socialists of America, the
Socialist Party USA, Committees of Correspondence, and Solidarity.
Related Species
Libertarian Socialism Theory: The state is almost as big a problem as
capitalism, and democratic grass-roots control through things like coops are
preferable to nationalization, or extensions of state authority. In its
anarchist variation, associated with the "council-communism" tradition. Leading
U.S. advocate (also a DSA member): Noam Chomsky.
Praxis: The more libertarian wings of democratic socialist and social democratic
groups embody a mild version of libertarian socialism, and a number of anarchist
collectives in North America have a radical libertarian socialist orientation,
such as the formerly Trotskyist Love and Rage group.
Market Socialism Theory: The State can't plan everything, and the market can
effectively be used by democratic public policy for social goals, such as
productivity.
Praxis: The moderate, or less utopian, wings of democratic socialist and social
democratic groups.
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Socialist-Feminism
Theory: Capitalism and patriarchy as relatively autonomous dual systems of
power, tending to reinforce one another but not necessarily; socialism alone
hasn't and won't liberate women; parallel influences of capitalism and
patriarchy reflected in feminization of poverty.
Praxis: Although many feminist organizations have become more class-conscious,
and committed to building feminism into a broader radical movement, only the DSA
Feminist Commission today represents a true dual-systems analysis of current
politics.
Other kinds of Feminists:
Marxist Feminism Theory: Women are primarily oppressed by capitalism, as
workers; class more primary than gender as a social cleavage. Socialist
revolution will liberate women.
Praxis: The "feminist" aspect of most socialist organizations in the U.S. today,
but most clearly expressed by the West Coast Freedom Socialist Party/Radical
Women.
Radical Feminism Theory: Women are oppressed by patriarchy; gender more primary
than class.
Praxis: Represented in the U.S. today by legal theorist Catherine MacKinnon and
writer Andrea Dworkin.
Lesbian Feminism Theory: Women are oppressed by both patriarchy and compulsory
heterosexuality; lesbianism and gender separatism are the only path to
liberation for women.
Liberal Feminism Theory: Women are oppressed because they don't have equal
rights ("equal opportunity") with men in democratic society.
Praxis: In the U.S., usually associated with the National Organization of Women,
though radicals actually have a lot of influence in NOW.
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Black Socialism
Theory: Capitalism is relatively autonomous from, but interlocked with, Western
imperialism, the exploitation of Third World peoples, and racism at home and
abroad. Democratic socialism (at home and internationally) won't necessarily
eliminate the oppressive relations of ethnic groups and nation-states, but will
weaken them. Racism, like capitalism, is not just the barriers to advancement of
minorities, but the whole structure of society which leads to inequality:
structural racism.
Praxis: A tendency in much of African-American politics, from politicians such
as Reps. Ron Dellums D-CA and Major Owens D-NY, to intellectuals such as Manning
Marable and Cornel West, to revolutionary groups such as the now defunct Black
Panther Party [BPP Ideology] [BPP History], and the still active African
Peoples' Socialist Party and National Peoples' Democratic Uhuru Movement.
Other People of Color Politics:
Black Marxism Theory: Ethnic/racial divisions result from economic exploitation,
such as the institution of slavery, and are used by the ruling class to divide
the working class. Socialism will eliminate racism.
Praxis: Most socialist organizations implicitly treat race as secondary to
class.
Pan-Africanism Theory: European peoples, socialist and capitalist, are globally
oppressing African peoples, and Africans everywhere must fight for unity and
liberation, and then struggle for socialism.
Praxis: In the U.S. by Kwame Ture's All-African People's Revolutionary Party,
and the Nkrumahist-Toureist Party Organizing Formation.
Black Nationalism Theory: Blacks in America are an oppressed nation, and should
struggle for a separate society and economy.
Praxis: In the U.S. by the Nation of Islam.
Black Anarchism TheoryThe foremost person associated with this movement would be
former Black Panther Party member Lorenzo Kom'boa Ervin, and the journal 'Black
Autonomy'. The Black colony in America should take control of its communities
and form mass communes independent of the State, which is to be overthrown
through an alliance with white workers, though Black workers form the vanguard.
Civil Rights and Assimilationism Theory: Usually associated with
assimilationism; blacks are oppressed by racist attittudes and laws. The goal is
to have everyone be treated equally under the law, with the exception of
affirmative action.
Praxis: In the U.S., embodied in the Southern Christian Leadership Council, the
NAACP, and other mainline civil rights organizations.
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Eco-Socialism
Theory: Ecological protection requires the democratic control of the means of
production, but industrialism itself must be reformed not just socialized.
Recognizes a relative autonomy of ecology from class, State, gender, and race.
Advocates work reduction (shorter work weeks, more dole), sustainable
("no-growth") economy, participatory democracy, cooperatives, and strengthened
transnational institutions.
Praxis: In the U.S.: the left wing of the Greens USA, the more statist wing of
the Left Green Network, and the Environmental Commission of DSA.
Related Species
Eco-Populists Theory: Focus on worker and community struggles against local
hazards, without explicit anti-capitalism.
Praxis: In the U.S.: Citizen's Clearinghouse on Hazardous Wastes.
Eco-Anarchists/Social Ecologists Theory: Associated largely with the writings of
Murray Bookchin (1, 2, and the Detroit-based magazine Fifth Estate. Ecological
destruction grows out of authoritarian social structures.
Praxis: In the U.S.: the anarchist wing of the Left Green Network (LGN), which
is the moribund, left wing of the Greens USA, associated with Murray Bookchin
and the Institute for Social Ecology.
Eco-Feminists Theory: Ecological destruction grows out of the subordination of
women, whom men associate with Nature
Praxis: Represented by groups like Feminists for Animal Rights and the
EcoFeminism mailing list.
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For a FACT the very University which Andrew E. Mathis attended, NYU, is a hot
bed of socialist recruitment and agitation:
From 1998:
http://pages.nyu.edu/clubs/socialists/
(Link currently inactive but use this link and SOCIALIST
to see the socialism and communism at NYU:
<http://www.nyu.edu/search.nyu>)
An organization for democratic socialist activism at
New York University
Socialists at NYU is a vibrant group of individuals who study or teach
at NYU. We are united by the desire for a society in which all people
can enjoy democratic control over all aspects of their life, and an
equal opportunity to have meaningful social and economic
relationships. We are active and visible on the NYU Campus and in our
community.
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From: Andrew Mathis (fr...@scscomm.com)
Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
Date: 1996/12/15
You're a disgusting fuck. May you die a slow, painful death. By the
looks of you, it could happen any day, you fat, ugly piece of shit.
Andrew Mathis
P.S. How's your dad? You guys gonna sue me yet? I'm waiting!!
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Andrew is referring to his harassment of Matt Giwer's father. Seems he
made some unwelcome telephone calls to the elder Giwer.
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Want to see some more treachery by socialists/communists in our American
Congress? Go to www.google.com and enter as key words:
<Chinese Feinstein Boxer Military Base California>
to see how vermin in Congress made available a US Military base to the
Red Chinese! It is true! Go look and then ask yourselves- when are people
going to wake up!?
A sample link:
http://www.virtualpet.com/bright/miscnews/navalb.htm
Wall Street Journal
March 26, 1997 Page A-14
by Craig S. Smith
Blum Associate's Link to China
Hinders Plans to Convert Base
SHANGHAI, China -- Sen. Dianne Feinstein has called for a national-security
review of a Chinese company's controversial plan to take over a closed U.S.
military base in California. But if she wants to learn more about the deal, she
might ask her husband, Richard Blum.
The managing director of an investment partnership that Mr. Blum established is
a consultant to a unit of China Ocean Shipping Co., or Cosco, the state-owned
Chinese company that has won the rights to lease and redevelop the 145-acre Long
Beach Naval Station, according to Cosco. The project has drawn intense scrutiny
amid signs Beijing may have tried to buy its way into U.S. politics last year.
Sen. Feinstein has said she was one of the members of Congress warned by the
Federal Bureau of Investigation that China might try to influence the lawmakers
through improper donations.
Last week, Sen. Feinstein and her Democratic colleague from California, Sen.
Barbara Boxer, urged national security advisor Samuel Berger and Secretary of
Defense William Cohen to clear the air over the Long Beach project so the port's
conversion --
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ALL JEWS! Who handed over our missile technology to the Red Chinese?
ALL JEWS!
COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM AND OVERSIGHT
April 16,1998
The Honorable Janet Reno
United States Department of Justice
Office of Legislative Affairs
10th Street and Constitution Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
Dear General Reno:
I am writing to express my concern about the possible transfer of
sensitive guided missile technology to the People's Republic of China after a
Long March III rocket exploded in February 19% killing six people and destroying
a commercial U.S. communications satellite.
A New York Times editorial published on April 15,1998 and related
stories in the New York Times mentioned that the Justice Department is
investigating whether classified technology was transferred to China by Loral
Space and Communications and Hughes Electronics following the failed launch. The
editorial questions whether the Administration's relaxation of technology
transfer barriers is connected to large contributions to the emocratic National
Committee by those companies and Bernard Schwartz, Chairman and CEO of Loral.
The Committee has been following this issue and has information that may
be helpful to your investigation. Liu Chao Ying is the Managing Director of
China Aerospace International, the company that built the rocket that exploded
in 1996. She is the daughter of senior Chinese General Liu Huaqing. Johnny
Chung, a central figure in the Committee's fund-raising investigation, had
numerous contacts with Ms. Liu.
In August 1996, Chung wrote to Liu, inviting her to visit the United
States. Chung said that he had arranged meetings for Liu with representatives of
Boeing and McDonnell Douglas regarding her "interest of purchasing aircraft
miscellaneous parts." Chung also referred to a meeting between Liu and Israel
Sendrovic, Executive Vice President of the Federal Reserve Bank in New York
City. In August 1996, Chung brought Sendrovic and man named Yat Hung Yiu to the
President's birthday celebration in New York Yiu is the president of New Silver
Eagle Holdings, a company that wired $80,000 to Chung weeks after the birthday
event. Sendrovic's son, Barry, worked for New SilverEagle Holdings.
Also in August 1996, Chung escorted representatives of China Aerospace
to a meeting with officials at the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. I
would like to meet with the appropriate Justice Department staff to receive a
briefing on these important issues next week. It is my hope that such a
discussion would be beneficial to your investigation as well as that of the
Committee.
Sincerely,
/s/Dan Burton
Chairman
cc: The Honorable Henry Waxman
The Honorable Louis Freeh --
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[Jewish Bernard Schwartz makes the technology available, Jew Israel Sendrovic
channels money and now Jew Congressman Henry Waxman wants to cover the treason!
Didn't Jews Julius and Ethel Rosenberg get the electric chair for giving
Communists our Atomic Secrets? Now we see Jews involved in giving a communist
government the know how to put an atomic warhead in a pickle barrel. Tavish
comment]
Subject: 1998CRH3595 U.S. SECURITY FOR SALE
From: no...@house.gov
Date: 1998/05/21
Message-ID: <1998C...@us.govnews.org>
Newsgroups: gov.us.fed.congress.record.house
[...]
Archive-Name: gov/us/fed/congress/record/1998/may/20/1998CRH3595
[Congressional Record: May 20, 1998 (House)]
[Page H3595]
From the Congressional Record Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]
[DOCID:cr20my98-105]
Mr. Speaker, the remainder of the article by William Safire, is as
follows:
``In the Senate, John Glenn was rewarded with a space
flight by Clinton for derogating the leads to China of the
Thompson committee. Fred Thompson's warnings about China's
plan to penetrate this White House were then scorned by
Democratic partisans; his Government Operations Committee
should now swarm all over this.
The House's aggressive agent of the Clinton cover-up, Henry
Waxman of California, is finally ``troubled'' by the prospect
of damning evidence he prevented the Burton committee from
finding. At least three Democratic partisans who foolishly
followed Waxman in blocking the testimony of Asian witnesses
may have difficulty explaining their cover-up vote to even
more troubled voters in their districts.
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Doc Tavish
Fragano Ledgister
>Sure looks like you still troll for dates Andrew. Someone calls you a "cock
>sucker" and right away you think someone is trying to hit on you. I guess
>that shows your orientation.
How so? You're the one who keeps bringing the subject of sex up.
>
>I bet that you being a socialist you:
>1) Believe in Gay Rights, marriages etc.
I'm a socialist and I do.
>2) Are pro-death or pro-abortion
I'm pro-choice.
>3) Believe in redistribution of wealth
Sure. Don't you? Or are you returning all your disability cheques?
>4) Believe in a strong centralized government or nanny state
Nope.
>5) Believe private citizens should not be allowed firearms ownership
I believe firearms should be registered.
>6) Are against tax cuts
Depends on what taxes.
>7) Are against people deciding for themselves which doctor they want to see
Selection within a national health service is a good idea.
>8) Believe the Red Chinese are not any threat to America
They want to sell the US more clothing, cheap electronics, and toys. How's that
a threat?
>9) Believe Marx was a brilliant economist
Have you read Marx?
>10) Believe Fidel Castro is a hero
He's lasted through 10 presidents.
>11) Believe Palestinians have no civil rights
Nope.
>12) Believe any speech which is negative toward Jews is ALL
Huh?
>13) Believe that you are tolerant
I certainly haven't advocated removing your soapbox. Unless you believe that
believing you an idiot is proof of intolerance.
>14) Believe that you are the only one who is correct with the socialist
>mindset
No.
>15) Believe that socialism is the best thing for mankind
Yes.
>16) Believe the Soviet Union was the worker's utopia before the Americans
>fouled
>up the "dream."
No.
>17) Believe Ronald Reagan, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage and others are all
>closeted Nazis or fascists.
No.
>18) Believe Al Gore would be better for America than G.W. Bush.
Yes.
>19) Believe America would really be great with socialists controlling all
>three
>branches of the American Government
As long as they're elected by the people.
>20) Believe those labeled as "anti-Semites" should be prosecuted for hate
>speech.
>
No.
Fragano Ledgister
(Fled...@aol.com)
I had no nation now but the imagination.
(Derek Walcott)
Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.
gay. I try to explain to people that questioning *my* sexual orientation casts
my doubt on your own than on mine (particularly since I would guarantee I've
slept with a woman far more recently than you, Moby Dick), but let's get to the
questions:
I bet that you being a socialist you:
1) Believe in Gay Rights, marriages etc.
Yes, I do.
2) Are pro-death or pro-abortion
I am pro-abortion rights. I would not seek one for myself or my girlfriend or
my daughters, if I had any.
3) Believe in redistribution of wealth
Not forcibly, but through taxation.
4) Believe in a strong centralized government or nanny state
Yes.
5) Believe private citizens should not be allowed firearms ownership
No, I'm for firearms ownership.
6) Are against tax cuts
I am against tax cuts for the rich.
7) Are against people deciding for themselves which doctor they want to see
No, I think people should have the choice.
8) Believe the Red Chinese are not any threat to America
No, they do constitute a threat, which is why we should not deal with them in
any way, shape, or form.
9) Believe Marx was a brilliant economist
No, I don't believe this for second.
10) Believe Fidel Castro is a hero
Compared to Battista? Absolutely.
11) Believe Palestinians have no civil rights
No, I'm quite vocal about my support of Palestinian independence and
self-determination as well as equal rights for all Israelis.
12) Believe any speech which is negative toward Jews is ALL
All what?
13) Believe that you are tolerant
Much more than you.
14) Believe that you are the only one who is correct with the socialist mindset
No, there are other socialists who are equally correct.
15) Believe that socialism is the best thing for mankind
Yup.
16) Believe the Soviet Union was the worker's utopia before the Americans
fouled up the "dream."
No, because the USSR never developed beyond a dictatorship of the proletariat.
Had Lenin lived longer, it might have been different. He didn't, and it wasn't.
17) Believe Ronald Reagan, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage and others are all
closeted Nazis or fascists.
I don't know Michael Savage, but yes on the other two.
18) Believe Al Gore would be better for America than G.W. Bush.
Yes, I prefer a president with a working cerebral cortex.
19) Believe America would really be great with socialists controlling all three
branches of the American Government
Better than it is now.
20) Believe those labeled as "anti-Semites" should be prosecuted for hate
speech.
Nope, I've repeated come out against hate speech laws and hate crimes laws.
Anything else, bonehead?
a.m.
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On 29 Apr 2001 05:09:24 GMT, <20010429010924...@ng-fz1.aol.com>
Sure looks like you still troll for dates Andrew. Someone calls you a "cock
sucker" and right away you think someone is trying to hit on you. I guess
that shows your orientation.
I bet that you being a socialist you:
1) Believe in Gay Rights, marriages etc.
2) Are pro-death or pro-abortion
3) Believe in redistribution of wealth
4) Believe in a strong centralized government or nanny state
5) Believe private citizens should not be allowed firearms ownership
6) Are against tax cuts
7) Are against people deciding for themselves which doctor they want to see
8) Believe the Red Chinese are not any threat to America
9) Believe Marx was a brilliant economist
10) Believe Fidel Castro is a hero
11) Believe Palestinians have no civil rights
12) Believe any speech which is negative toward Jews is ALL
13) Believe that you are tolerant
14) Believe that you are the only one who is correct with the socialist
mindset
15) Believe that socialism is the best thing for mankind
16) Believe the Soviet Union was the worker's utopia before the Americans fouled
up the "dream."
17) Believe Ronald Reagan, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage and others are all
closeted Nazis or fascists.
18) Believe Al Gore would be better for America than G.W. Bush.
19) Believe America would really be great with socialists controlling all three
branches of the American Government
20) Believe those labeled as "anti-Semites" should be prosecuted for hate
speech.
Some insight on Democratic Socialists of America (from their own web pages and
Orac
> dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote in
> <20010428170650...@ng-ma1.aol.com>:
>
> >As I understand it, a judgment has already been made against you. As I
> >further understand, all that remains is whether or not the judge in
> >this case is going to reopen your case or rest on the previous
> >judgment.
> >
> >In short, Yale has already won. It's just a question of whether or not
> >his win will be upheld.
>
> FROM WHAT I HAVE READ EDEIKEN WILL BE DAMNED LUCKY IF HE STAYS OUT OF
> PRISON. NO JUDGMENT HAS EVER BEEN UPHELD ONCE IT IS PROVEN THE PLAINTIFF
> LIED REPEATEDLY AND DID CRIMINAL ACTS AGAINST HIS OPPONENT. NO WAY JOSE.
If that's the best hope Scotty has that the judgment will not be upheld,
he'd better start selling his possessions right now to satisfy the
judgment.
> >When it is, then I'll come after you. Why? Because you so desperately
> >deserve it.
> >
> >No mercy, jackass.
>
> YOU'RE AN ARROGANT COCK SUCKER ARE YOU NOT?
And you need to learn how to turn off the caps lock key, idiot.
--
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
Orac
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
> 19) Believe America would really be great with socialists controlling
> all three branches of the American Government
>
> Better than it is now.
Sorry, but if you truly believe this, you're dreaming.
__-_Dok Tavische__-_
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>Let's see, a host of questions were asked of me after I was accused of being
>gay. I try to explain to people that questioning *my* sexual orientation
Your sexual orientation comes into question because of this exchange earlier in
the thread:
<start>
On 29 Apr 2001 05:09:24 GMT, <20010429010924...@ng-fz1.aol.com>
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>Some anonymous jackass asks me, "YOU'RE AN ARROGANT COCK SUCKER ARE YOU NOT?"
>
>Arrogant? Yes, I am. As for the second half of your question, is that way of
>asking for a date?
>
>a.m.
Sure looks like you still troll for dates Andrew. Someone calls you a "cock
sucker" and right away you think someone is trying to hit on you. I guess
that shows your orientation.
<stop>
>casts my doubt on your own than on mine (particularly since I would guarantee I've
>slept with a woman far more recently than you, Moby Dick),
Looks like personal attack is all you're about socialist!
>but let's get to the questions:
>
>I bet that you being a socialist you:
>1) Believe in Gay Rights, marriages etc.
>Yes, I do.
>2) Are pro-death or pro-abortion
>I am pro-abortion rights. I would not seek one for myself or my girlfriend or
>my daughters, if I had any.
The communists share your beliefs but the majority of Christians do not.
>3) Believe in redistribution of wealth
>Not forcibly, but through taxation.
Not forcibly!? What is taxation? If you don't pay then force is used. Try to
refuse paying your taxes and see if force isn't used. You are very dishonest
about your socialist agenda! Show one writing of MY forefathers in which they
advocated socialism. They advocated each man work and enjoy the fruits of his
own labors. No where is there any advocacy of government taking from one person
and giving to another!
>4) Believe in a strong centralized government or nanny state
>Yes.
Was it MY forefathers' dream for America to become a Democratic Socialist
Utopia or did MY forefathers declare in the Constitution:
The following is a reminder from our nation's historical
documents for those who have lost track or vision of what
America was created to be. It is also a reprimand to those
that wish to undermine our forefather's dreams.
America was not conceived as a (Socialist) DEMOCRACY!
Proof:
Constitution of the United States
Article IV, Section 4:
- Republican form of government guaranteed.
Each state to be protected.
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a
Republican form of Government, and shall protect each of them
against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the
Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against
domestic Violence."
----end----
This provision does NOT allow for a Social-Democracy or any
form of a Socialistic nor Communistic government.
Here is the pledge that American school children are no longer
being taught. I wonder why. Is it the Neo-Bolshevists in our government
seeking to undermine our heritage and forefather's intentions?
The Pledge of Allegiance:
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to
the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all."
I do not see the word "democracy" in the pledge but I see two
words the leftists wish not to be mentioned in school "republic" and
"God."
Here is what America's founders said concerning "general welfare":
(NOTE: All capitalized words in parenthesis are my, Doc Tavish, comment and are
not part of the CD Sourcebook of American History)
General Welfare- The historical meaning thereof:
(NOT A SOCIALIST UTOPIA STATE!)
THE CONSTITUTION
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a
more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility,
provide for common defence, promote the general Welfare, and
secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,
do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States
of America.
The Constitution, Article I, Section 8
Section 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and
collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide
for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all
Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United
States....
Benjamin Franklin, American Characteristics, America, Vol.4,
Pg.70 - Pg.71
....every one will enjoy securely the profits of his industry. But
if he does not bring a fortune with him, he must work and be industrious
to live. One or two years' residence give him all the rights of a citizen;
but the Government does not at present, whatever it may have done in
former times, hire people to become settlers, by paying their passages,
giving land, utensils, stock, or any other kind of emolument whatsoever.
In short, America is the land of labor, and by no means what the English
call Lubberland, and the French Pays de Cocagne, where the streets are
said to be paved with half-peck loaves, the houses tiled with pancakes,
and where the fowls fly about ready roasted, crying, "Come eat me!" . . .
(HARDLY LOOKS LIKE A SOCIALIST UTOPIA WAS INTENDED!)
Historical Almanac of the U.S. Senate, Pg.160
The United States was suffering a terrible depression in 1894, and
more than two million unemployed men wandered the countryside in search of
work. The federal government disclaimed any responsibility for the
unemployed, but the crisis was too severe for local governments and
private charities to handle. In Ohio, affluent businessman Jacob Coxey
proposed that the federal government end the depression by putting
unemployed men to work building public roads. Sympathetic congressmen
introduced a "Good Roads bill," but Congress refused to act.
(HARDLY LOOKS LIKE A SOCIALIST UTOPIA WAS INTENDED!)
George Bancroft, History of the United States, Vol.6, Pg.170
In the council of revision strong but not successful objections
were raised. Livingston, the chancellor, set forth that a scarcity of
money can be remedied only by industry and economy, not by laws that
foster idleness and dissipation; that the bill, under the appearance of
relief, would add to the distress of the debtor; that it at the same
instant solicited and destroyed credit; that it would cause the taxes and
debts of the state to the United States to be paid in paper.
(HARDLY LOOKS LIKE A SOCIALIST UTOPIA WAS INTENDED!)
History of the American People, Vol.5, Pg.18 - Pg.20
....The country filled with vagrants, looking for pleasure and
gratuitous fortune. Idleness bred want, as always, and the vagrants turned
thieves or importunate beggars. The tasks of ordinary labor stood
untouched; the idlers grew insolent, dangerous; nights went anxiously by,
for fear of riot and incendiary fire. It was imperatively necessary that
something should be done, if only to bring order again and make the
streets of the towns and the highways of the country-sides safe to those
who went about their tasks.
(HARDLY LOOKS LIKE A SOCIALIST UTOPIA WAS INTENDED!)
E. Benjamin Andrews on the Evils of Reconstruction,
Great Epochs, Vol.9, Pg.68
In their days of serfdom the negroes' besetting sin had been
thievery. Now that the opportunities for this were multiplied, the fear of
punishment gone, and many a carpet-bagger at hand to encourage it, the
prevalence of public and private stealing was not strange. Larceny was
nearly universal, burglary painfully common. At night watch had to be
kept over property with dogs and guns. It was part, or at least an
effect, of the carpet-bag policy to aggravate race jealousies and
sectional misunderstandings. The duello, still good form all over the
South, induced disregard of law and of human life. . . .
(WHO ARE THE MODERN CARPET-BAGGERS TODAY WHO AGGRAVATE
RACE JEALOUSIES? Hint: Liberal Democrats!)
Roosevelt, On American Motherhood, The World's Famous
Orations, Vol.3, Pg.259
....such a creature merits contempt as hearty as any visited upon
the soldier who runs away in battle, or upon the man who refuses to work
for the support of those dependent upon him, and who tho able-bodied is
yet content to eat in idleness the bread which others provide.
(HARDLY LOOKS LIKE A SOCIALIST UTOPIA WAS INTENDED!)
George Bancroft, History of the United States, Vol.1, Pg.96
After the long delayed departure of the ships, the first care of
Smith was to obtain supplies for the colony from the Indians. In the
spring of 1610 he introduced the culture of maize, which was taught by two
savages, and thirty or forty acres were "digged and planted." Authority
was employed to enforce industry; he who would not work might not eat, and
six hours in the day were spent in toil. The gentlemen learned the use of
the axe, and became excellent wood-cutters. Jamestown assumed the
appearance of a regular place of abode. It is worthy of remembrance that
Smith proposed to plant a town near the falls of the river, where the city
of Richmond now stands. Eight months of good order under his rule gave to
the colony a period of peace and industry; of order and health.
(HARDLY LOOKS LIKE A SOCIALIST UTOPIA WAS INTENDED!)
History of the American Nation, Vol.1, Pg.131
....Smith explored the harbors and rivers of Chesapeake bay... On
his return, he was, for the first time, formally elected President of the
Council. Industry was now more wisely directed; but in the autumn came
another company of idle and useless emigrants. Smith, indignant that his
efforts to improve the colony should thus be frustrated, wrote to the
council to send him but a few husbandmen and mechanics, and "diggers up of
trees' roots," rather than a thousand such men as had been sent. The
complaint was just. During two years they had not brought under
cultivation more than forty acres of land, while the number of able-bodied
men was more than two hundred. The energetic arm of Smith was soon felt.
The first law he made and enforced was, that "He who would not work should
not eat;" the second, that "Each man for six days in the week should work
six hours each day."
(HARDLY LOOKS LIKE A SOCIALIST UTOPIA WAS INTENDED!)
From the Bible:
2 Thessalonians 3: 8,10,12,14 says: "...nor did we eat food from anyone
free. To the contrary, by labor and toil night and day we were working so
as not to impose an expensive burden upon any of you. In fact, also, when
we were with you, we used to give you this order: "If anyone does not want
to work, neither let him eat." To such persons we give the order and
exhortation in [the] Lord Jesus Christ that by working with quietness they
should eat food they themselves earn. But if anyone is not obedient to our
word through this letter, keep this one marked, stop associating with him
that he might be ashamed."
The words of the Apostle Paul. Would Paul bless our current welfare state?
* * * * * * FINIS * * * * * *
Do you believe the founders of this nation had as its intent to form a
Great Society based on a welfare state; where government would take from
the producers and give a working man's fruits to the willfully
unproductive?
The Liberal Democrats state that to provide for the general welfare means
to do as they have been doing- along with buying votes with goods that are
not their own! How many liberal ideas are expressed in the above documents
of our forefathers?
Please keep and reread this document nightly until you fully appreciate
the ideas and dreams it represents. As I submit this there are people
actively engaged at turning our land of the "Pilgrim's pride" into just
another "socialist utopia." See it and believe it!
Reference Material taken from:
The Bible - New World Translation
& The CD Sourcebook of American History by
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>5) Believe private citizens should not be allowed firearms ownership
>No, I'm for firearms ownership.
Perhaps for yourself maybe but for your opposition as well? None of your fellow
socialists infesting our American Congress are pro-foirearms for private
citizens. Lurkers see the bottom of this post for a list of the socialist swine
infesting our American Congress.
>6) Are against tax cuts
>I am against tax cuts for the rich.
Who are the rich in your eyes?
>7) Are against people deciding for themselves which doctor they want to see
>No, I think people should have the choice.
>8) Believe the Red Chinese are not any threat to America
>No, they do constitute a threat, which is why we should not deal with them in
>any way, shape, or form.
>9) Believe Marx was a brilliant economist
>No, I don't believe this for second.
Your answers to questions 7, 8, & 9 are inconsistent with your fellow
socialists. At least you aren't lock step.
>10) Believe Fidel Castro is a hero
>Compared to Battista? Absolutely.
Did Battista murder people like Castro has and still does? Cite proofs.
>11) Believe Palestinians have no civil rights
>No, I'm quite vocal about my support of Palestinian independence and
>self-determination as well as equal rights for all Israelis.
You better watch out. Shiff will start cancleing you if you show any empathy
toward Palestinians. He has already added david Goldman to his hit list because
Goldman isn't leftist enough for him.
>12) Believe any speech which is negative toward Jews is ALL
>All what?
Question 12 got cut off in my final edit so here it is again:
12) Believe any speech which is negative toward Jews is ALL "hate-speech" and/or
"anti-Semitic"?
>13) Believe that you are tolerant
>Much more than you.
I don't think so but that is a matter of opinion instead of outright fact.
>14) Believe that you are the only one who is correct with the socialist mindset
>No, there are other socialists who are equally correct.
Why are all socialist countries hurting if they are correct?
>15) Believe that socialism is the best thing for mankind
>Yup.
GTake it to Europe, to Canada, or Aussiestralia where they eat it up but let
America remain as what MY forefathers intended.
>16) Believe the Soviet Union was the worker's utopia before the Americans
>fouled up the "dream."
>No, because the USSR never developed beyond a dictatorship of the proletariat.
>Had Lenin lived longer, it might have been different. He didn't, and it wasn't.
Lenin was a murderer and took part in establishing the world's first modern
concentration camps in the 20th Century yet you still look upon him as a great
leader?? How many more people did Lenin's Bolsheviks slaughter before Hitler
became a name brought up in conversation?
>17) Believe Ronald Reagan, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage and others are all
>closeted Nazis or fascists.
>I don't know Michael Savage, but yes on the other two.
Michael savage is another conservative talk show host who has a very strong line
against leftists.
>18) Believe Al Gore would be better for America than G.W. Bush.
>Yes, I prefer a president with a working cerebral cortex.
Al Gore and his father only came to power by pro-communist Armand Hammer. Look
it up. The Gore's were beholding to Red money anjhd influence. Speaking of
having a working cerebral cortex it was Gore who wrote in his book EARTH IN THE
BALANCE that freon slowly floats to the ozone layer and destroys it. Freon is a
compound which has a molecular weight fives times heavier than air at sea level.
I now ask at what point in time does this heavy compound leviate itself to float
more than 3o miles in the vertical plane? Tell me how it is done and we can once
again resurrect the great airships and fly them with heavier than air compounds
as well!
>19) Believe America would really be great with socialists controlling all three
>branches of the American Government
>Better than it is now.
You really are an enemy ofd the Republican from of government MY forefathers
envisioned.
>20) Believe those labeled as "anti-Semites" should be prosecuted for hate
>speech.
>Nope, I've repeated come out against hate speech laws and hate crimes laws.
You have yet to condemn your pal Larry for all of his forged cancels!
>Anything else, bonehead?
I'm not the bonehead but any insult coming from an enemy of MY Republic is a
compliment.
>a.m.
Socialist pigs in our American House of Representatives:
Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.
computer away. Indigent, my ass.
Anyway, there's nothing in the Constitution that forbids socialism. If it did,
we wouldn't have public schools.
But let's get down to brass tacks, Scottie: When was the last time you were in
bed with a woman that wasn't a relative? The 12th of Never?
a.m.
anti_...@anti_cancel.net
>Let's see, a host of questions were asked of me after I was accused of being
>gay. I try to explain to people that questioning *my* sexual orientation
Your sexual orientation comes into question because of this exchange earlier in
the thread:
<start>
On 29 Apr 2001 05:09:24 GMT, <20010429010924...@ng-fz1.aol.com>
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>Some anonymous jackass asks me, "YOU'RE AN ARROGANT COCK SUCKER ARE YOU NOT?"
>
>Arrogant? Yes, I am. As for the second half of your question, is that way of
>asking for a date?
>
>a.m.
Sure looks like you still troll for dates Andrew. Someone calls you a "cock
sucker" and right away you think someone is trying to hit on you. I guess
that shows your orientation.
<stop>
>casts my doubt on your own than on mine (particularly since I would guarantee I've
>slept with a woman far more recently than you, Moby Dick),
Looks like personal attack is all you're about socialist!
>but let's get to the questions:
>
>I bet that you being a socialist you:
>1) Believe in Gay Rights, marriages etc.
>Yes, I do.
>2) Are pro-death or pro-abortion
>I am pro-abortion rights. I would not seek one for myself or my girlfriend or
>my daughters, if I had any.
The communists share your beliefs but the majority of Christians do not.
>3) Believe in redistribution of wealth
>Not forcibly, but through taxation.
Not forcibly!? What is taxation? If you don't pay then force is used. Try to
refuse paying your taxes and see if force isn't used. You are very dishonest
about your socialist agenda! Show one writing of MY forefathers in which they
advocated socialism. They advocated each man work and enjoy the fruits of his
own labors. No where is there any advocacy of government taking from one person
and giving to another!
>4) Believe in a strong centralized government or nanny state
>Yes.
Was it MY forefathers' dream for America to become a Democratic Socialist
Utopia or did MY forefathers declare in the Constitution:
The following is a reminder from our nation's historical
documents for those who have lost track or vision of what
America was created to be. It is also a reprimand to those
that wish to undermine our forefather's dreams.
America was not conceived as a (Socialist) DEMOCRACY!
Proof:
Constitution of the United States
Article IV, Section 4:
- Republican form of government guaranteed.
Each state to be protected.
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a
Republican form of Government, and shall protect each of them
against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the
Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against
domestic Violence."
----
http://www.wae.com/webcat/ushist.htm
>5) Believe private citizens should not be allowed firearms ownership
>No, I'm for firearms ownership.
Perhaps for yourself maybe but for your opposition as well? None of your fellow
socialists infesting our American Congress are pro-foirearms for private
citizens. Lurkers see the bottom of this post for a list of the socialist swine
infesting our American Congress.
>6) Are against tax cuts
>I am against tax cuts for the rich.
Who are the rich in your eyes?
>7) Are against people deciding for themselves which doctor they want to see
>No, I think people should have the choice.
>8) Believe the Red Chinese are not any threat to America
>No, they do constitute a threat, which is why we should not deal with them in
>any way, shape, or form.
>9) Believe Marx was a brilliant economist
>No, I don't believe this for second.
Your answers to questions 7, 8, & 9 are inconsistent with your fellow
socialists. At least you aren't lock step.
>10) Believe Fidel Castro is a hero
>Compared to Battista? Absolutely.
Did Battista murder people like Castro has and still does? Cite proofs.
>11) Believe Palestinians have no civil rights
>No, I'm quite vocal about my support of Palestinian independence and
>self-determination as well as equal rights for all Israelis.
You better watch out. Shiff will start canceling you if you show any empathy
toward Palestinians. He has already added david Goldman to his hit list because
Goldman isn't leftist enough for him.
>12) Believe any speech which is negative toward Jews is ALL
>All what?
Question 12 got cut off in my final edit so here it is again:
12) Believe any speech which is negative toward Jews is ALL "hate-speech" and/or
"anti-Semitic"?
>13) Believe that you are tolerant
>Much more than you.
I don't think so but that is a matter of opinion instead of outright fact.
>14) Believe that you are the only one who is correct with the socialist mindset
>No, there are other socialists who are equally correct.
Why are all socialist countries hurting if they are correct?
>15) Believe that socialism is the best thing for mankind
>Yup.
Take it to Europe, to Canada, or Aussiestralia where they eat it up but let
America remain as what MY forefathers intended.
>16) Believe the Soviet Union was the worker's utopia before the Americans
>fouled up the "dream."
>No, because the USSR never developed beyond a dictatorship of the proletariat.
>Had Lenin lived longer, it might have been different. He didn't, and it wasn't.
Lenin was a murderer and took part in establishing the world's first modern
concentration camps in the 20th Century yet you still look upon him as a great
leader?? How many more people did Lenin's Bolsheviks slaughter before Hitler
became a name brought up in conversation?
>17) Believe Ronald Reagan, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage and others are all
>closeted Nazis or fascists.
>I don't know Michael Savage, but yes on the other two.
Michael savage is another conservative talk show host who has a very strong line
against leftists.
>18) Believe Al Gore would be better for America than G.W. Bush.
>Yes, I prefer a president with a working cerebral cortex.
Al Gore and his father only came to power by pro-communist Armand Hammer. Look
it up. The Gore's were beholding to Red money and influence. Speaking of having
a working cerebral cortex it was Gore who wrote in his book EARTH IN THE BALANCE
that freon slowly floats to the ozone layer and destroys it. Freon is a compound
which has a molecular weight fives times heavier than air at sea level. I now
ask at what point in time does this heavy compound levitate itself to float more
than 3o miles in the vertical plane? Tell me how it is done and we can once
again resurrect the great airships and fly them with heavier than air compounds
as well!
>19) Believe America would really be great with socialists controlling all three
>branches of the American Government
>Better than it is now.
You really are an enemy of the Republican form of government MY forefathers
envisioned.
>20) Believe those labeled as "anti-Semites" should be prosecuted for hate
>speech.
>Nope, I've repeated come out against hate speech laws and hate crimes laws.
You have yet to condemn your pal Larry for all of his forged cancels!
>Anything else, bonehead?
I'm not the bonehead but any insult coming from an enemy of MY Republic is a
compliment.
>a.m.
Socialist pigs in our American House of Representatives:
Links active today November 12, 2000
Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.
a.m.
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robert welch
>So, I'm going to assume you're a fifty-year-old virgin. Is that correct?
>
>a.m.
Yes and no. In this guy's case, I suspect he's had his sphincter stretched
a
time or three.
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robert welch
>So, I'm going to assume you're a fifty-year-old virgin. Is that correct?
>
>a.m.
In the commonly accepted meaning of the term, he is. However, I suspect
this
guy Tavish has had his sphincter stretched a time or three.
CATMAN
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>So, I'm going to assume you're a fifty-year-old virgin. Is that correct?
I am a virgin as far as comes to homosexual sex and seeing how you take so much
interest in my sex life and the comments you've made in the past I can only
conclude you want to wrap your lips around my cock! Have you forgotten how you
tried to hit on me before? I may start calling you "Pussy Lips Mathis!"
Here you are wanting to take me out for a drink and you were very insistent!
On 1 May 2001 15:46:29 GMT, <90946CAC3o...@209.155.56.81>
fw_c...@my-deja.com (Buster Cherry) wrote:
>dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote in
><20010430212426...@ng-xa1.aol.com>:
>
>>Please tell the group when the last time you were with a woman
>>sexually was.
>ARE YOU STILL TRYING TO HIT ON DOC? YOU DON'T GIVE UP DO YOU COCK SUCKER?
>DO YOU REMEMBER HITTING ON TAVISH AND WANTING TO TAKE HIM OUT FOR A DRINK AND
>YOU DID NOT CARE IF HE WAS UNDERAGED EITHER. YOU MUST STILL HAVE THE
>CHICKENHAWK DESIRES.
>
>> On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 02:35:22 GMT, Andrew E. Mathis, Ph.D.
>> <and...@mathis.net> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> >But let's get to the point: Why are you, Ellis, and Bradbury so obsessed
>> >with the alleged homosexuality of anti-"revisionists"?
It explains your diseased and depraved mindset. The New Testament in the Bible
says this of HOMOS like you Andrew:
Romans 1:26-29,32 :: New King James Version (NKJV)
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women
exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in
their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and
receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God
gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not
fitting;
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness...
32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice
such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve
of those who practice them.
<end>
For the record here are other Bible versions of verses 26 and 27
Romans 1:26-28 :: New International Version (NIV)
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women
exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and
were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with
other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their
perversion.
28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the
knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought
not to be done.
Romans 1:26-28 :: Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
26 Because of this did God give them up to dishonourable affections, for
even their females did change the natural use into that against nature;
27 and in like manner also the males having left the natural use of the
female, did burn in their longing toward one another; males with males
working shame, and the recompense of their error that was fit, in
themselves receiving.
28 And, according as they did not approve of having God in knowledge, God
gave them up to a disapproved mind, to do the things not seemly;
Notice verse 28 and how it speaks of the mental condition of what the
Bible describes as: "Men committed indecent acts with other men, and
received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."
They have depraved minds!
Romans 1:28 :: New American Standard Bible (NASB)
And just as they did not see fit [1] to acknowledge God any longer, <*1>
God gave them over to a depraved mind..
Romans 1:28 :: King James Version (KJV)
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave
them over to a reprobate mind..
Romans 1:28 :: New King James Version (NKJV)
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave
them over to a debased mind..
Romans 1:28 :: NIV formatted (New Testament) (NIV-IBS)
Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the
knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind..
IOW they are mentally diseased!
>Alleged homosexuality???
>
>Heh Andrew are you still seeking out under aged males to have drinks with
>you?
>
>Did you not out yourself and show chickenhawk traits with these words?
>
>From: doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
>Subject: ....Andrew Mathis Outs Himself For Sure! aka Re: AttentionDon
>Ellis....
>Date: 13 Sep 1998 00:00:00 GMT
>Message-ID: <35fb1a76....@news.tavish-central.net>
>Organization: McTavish Informational Services Worldwide
>X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 12 5:58:52 PM PDT 1998
>Reply-To: doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.comNewsgroups:
>alt.pedophiles-and-stalkers,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.revisionism,
>alt.politics.white-power,alt.conspiracy
>On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:34:30 GMT, aem...@is2.nyu.edu wrote:
>>In article <LV8K1.50$JO2.1...@news14.ispnews.com>,
>> "Dan Parker" <dpa...@intrstar.net> wrote:
>>> aem...@is2.nyu.edu wrote in message <6ta4m1$ml$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>
>>> >> >>> >> >Can we do this over a drink next weekend?
I forgot Andrew was trying to hit on me. Asking me out for a drink definitely
looks like hitting on me!
>Andrew above trying to make a "date."
>
>Dan Parker makes an honest observation:
>>> >> Sounds like you've got something you're just dying to say.
>Andrew acting typically feminine and reacting to a simple question as if it
>is a threat
>>> >That some kind of threat?
>Dan Parker again makes an honest observation:
>>> No. But you can't seem to understand why someone might have a
>>>revulsion to meeting with a known homosexual.
>Andrew Mathis making false implications:
>>I don't. That's why I'm willing to meet with Scott Bradbury.
>YOU are the one asking a male out to have drinks Andrew and I
>declined.
TRUE!
>Now you are ACTing UP because I declined you.
TRUE and he still ACTsUP.
>I don't have dealings with homosexuals but yet you accuse me of being
>one and then ask me to have a drink with you! Anyone reading this
>will say that you are the one making advances to another male
>and it is not me.
>Dan Parker again with wisdom said:
>>> And after several polite hints that meeting you would be
>>> undesirable, you're unrelenting in your pursuit of the matter.
He just can't accept NO!
>Andrew's female hormones fire his cravings for another male:
>>Nah, just eager.
>
>Here you are admitting that you are "eager" too! You are eager
>to have a drink with another male that you have accused of being
>homosexual. This speaks volumes of you Andrew! I mean it really
>does! You have definitely outed yourself on this I guarantee! Is this
>why you and Jeffrey G. Brown get along so well? Anyone doubting
>Andrew Mathis being effeminate need only look at his mug shot at
>his web site! http://pages.nyu.edu/~aem0608/
>
> Doc Tavish Declining ACT UP & The Homosexual Community Daily
>
><snip>
>
>>Andrew Mathis
>
>BTW Here is Andrew again wanting to "date" me and he says it doesn't
>matter that I'm under age either! Are you paying attention FBI? Does not
>the agency have a distinct policy on pedophile Chicken Hawks seeking
>under aged minors as prey?
>
>From: aem...@is2.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: Jeffrey G. Brown Accuses BUT Can't Back His Charges With
>Evidence! aka Re: Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie again shows us what's always
>on his 'mind'
>Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:25:30 GMT
>Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion
>Message-ID: <6t9u6a$o7u$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
>References: <35F5BC...@earthlink.net>
><199809091940...@nym.alias.net>
><jeff_brown-09...@38.27.216.25>
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>
><snip>
>
>Scott, your postured indignation impresses no one. With your
>obvious penis fetish, you're quite obviously either:
>a) a teenager who needs a girlfriend;
>b) impotent; or my favorite,
>c) both.
>
>Andrew Mathis
>
>P.S. If you *are* underaged, by the way, I'd be more than happy to
> meet you in a coffee shop as opposed to a place that serves alcohol.
Definitely has the markings of being a "chickenhawk."
>>I'm betting it was late Pleistocene era. But I could be wrong, as I'm
>>not sure the blue whale existed during that era.
>>
>>When you answer this question honestly, then you can cast aspersions
>>and lies at the sexuality of others. Deal?
>
>LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE A HOMO.
Looks that way! BTW has anyone noticed that peter puffing subject title Andrew
made? He said: "Still waiting, Scottie." Now what is one to assume when a male
calls another male "Scottie"? Definitely looks like a god damned cock eater.
Why is Andrew still waiting? I told him NO long ago. I do not have relations or
meetings with homos- plain and simple. Andrew just accept it- you will never get
to go down on me- now buzz off and try trolling in some teen group. I am over
aged and over weight!
Doc Tavish
>a.m.
CATMAN
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Kenneth McVay, OBC
CATMAN <cat...@gerfing.com> wrote:
>On 01 May 2001 12:27:25 GMT, <20010501082725...@ng-mq1.aol.com>
>dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>
>>So, I'm going to assume you're a fifty-year-old virgin. Is that correct?
>
>I am a virgin as far as comes to homosexual sex and seeing how you take so much
>interest in my sex life and the comments you've made in the past I can only
>conclude you want to wrap your lips around my cock! Have you forgotten how you
<newsdog\.com>HNNTP-Posting-Host:j = <PLONK>
"The study, by Henry F. Adams et al in the August 1996 Journal of
Abnormal Psychology, found that the most-homophobic men were those
who, though not openly gay themselves, nonetheless had the strongest
homosexual urges, as measured by their penile circumference when being
exposed to homosexual films. The circumference of their penises on
such occasions was twice that of the normal (less-homophobic) male. On
the other hand, heterosexual films aroused them about 10% less (again
as measured by circumference) than normal men. What this suggests is
that if one happens to be bigoted against a particular group (in this
case, gays), then that bigotry is intensified by one's belief that one
is or might be oneself a member of that group." (Zuesse, Eric. Why the
Holocaust Happened: Its Religious Cause & Scholarly Cover-Up.
Charleston, South Carolina: Digitz.net, 2000. Page 78)
"Only in the general social-psychological literature will the reader
find discussions of the sexual obsession of the Nazis, but these
discussions, coming from scholars without specialized knowledge of
Nazi Germany, are fragmentary and only partially illuminating.<30> Nearly
all who treat this subject see it as an instance of psychic
projection. The theory of projection, advanced by Freud, postulates
that those who repress within themselves undesirable feelings and
impulses such as aggressive urges and sexual drives may seek relief
for the gnawing feeling of unconscious guilt by projecting their
illicit desires upon others and righteously attacking them, thereby
externaizing their feelings. This Freudian insight is declared to be
valid even by so skeptical a critic of psychoanalysis as H.J. Eysenck,
who summarizes it thus:
There is a tendency in people to attribute personal qualities
they themselves possess, but do not admit possessing, to other
people. Thus a person who is stingy but will not admit this to
himself will tend to attribute stinginess to others to quite
an unreasonable extent. Thus, similarly, those qualities which
the prejudiced person represses in himself tend to be projected
and attributed to other people; it is not the prejudiced person
himself but others who are seen as hostile and threatening,
or else his own weakness leads to exaggerated condemnation of
everything that is weak."<31>
Footnotes:
30. See for example Allport, G.W., "The Nature of Prejudice," New
York, 1958, pp. 349-355
31. Eysenck, H.J., "Uses and Abuses of Psychology," London, 1954. P. 274
(Goldhagen, Erich. "Nazi Sexual Demonology," Midstream, Vol. 27, No. 5,
May 1981, p. 11)
--
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David Irving, Holocaust denial, and his connections to Right-Wing
Extremists and Neo-Nazism in Germany:
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CATMAN
kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>In article <jlcuet499qvupc6lk...@4ax.com>,
>CATMAN <cat...@gerfing.com> wrote:
>>On 01 May 2001 12:27:25 GMT, <20010501082725...@ng-mq1.aol.com>
>>dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>>
>>>So, I'm going to assume you're a fifty-year-old virgin. Is that correct?
>>
>>I am a virgin as far as comes to homosexual sex and seeing how you take so much
>>interest in my sex life and the comments you've made in the past I can only
>>conclude you want to wrap your lips around my cock! Have you forgotten how you
>
><newsdog\.com>HNNTP-Posting-Host:j = <PLONK>
>
Can't stand to have the truth pointed out about your psal Andrew can you filth?
I showed him in true context yet you are projecting Andrew's homo-lusts on me. I
don't ask men out for drinks. Here is Andrew again for the record:
On 01 May 2001 12:27:25 GMT, <20010501082725...@ng-mq1.aol.com>
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>So, I'm going to assume you're a fifty-year-old virgin. Is that correct?
I am a virgin as far as comes to homosexual sex and seeing how you take so much
interest in my sex life and the comments you've made in the past I can only
conclude you want to wrap your lips around my cock! Have you forgotten how you
Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.
enough to say to my face what you say behind a keyboard.
In short, you weren't.
a.m.
Guess Who
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>You're so fucking monotonous, Scott. I'll be glad when they finally take your
>computer away. Indigent, my ass.
Who is "they"? If you are referring to that psychotic piece of shit Edeiken
getting anything from then you are sadly mistaken! Yale is just as mentally
deranged as you are swine and don't forget it.
>Anyway, there's nothing in the Constitution that forbids socialism. If it did,
>we wouldn't have public schools.
Public schools is not socialism.
>But let's get down to brass tacks, Scottie: When was the last time you were in
>bed with a woman that wasn't a relative? The 12th of Never?
Personal attack is all Slandrew has.
>a.m.
Guess Who
kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>In article <jlcuet499qvupc6lk...@4ax.com>,
>CATMAN <cat...@gerfing.com> wrote:
>>On 01 May 2001 12:27:25 GMT, <20010501082725...@ng-mq1.aol.com>
>>dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>>
>>>So, I'm going to assume you're a fifty-year-old virgin. Is that correct?
>>
>>I am a virgin as far as comes to homosexual sex and seeing how you take so much
>>interest in my sex life and the comments you've made in the past I can only
>>conclude you want to wrap your lips around my cock! Have you forgotten how you
>
><newsdog\.com>HNNTP-Posting-Host:j = <PLONK>
>
Can't stand to have the truth pointed out about your psal Andrew can you filth?
I showed him in true context yet you are projecting Andrew's homo-lusts on me. I
don't ask men out for drinks. Here is Andrew again for the record:
On 01 May 2001 12:27:25 GMT, <20010501082725...@ng-mq1.aol.com>
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>So, I'm going to assume you're a fifty-year-old virgin. Is that correct?
I am a virgin as far as comes to homosexual sex and seeing how you take so much
interest in my sex life and the comments you've made in the past I can only
conclude you want to wrap your lips around my cock! Have you forgotten how you
Guess Who
>So, I'm going to assume you're a fifty-year-old virgin. Is that correct?
I am a virgin as far as comes to homosexual sex and seeing how you take so much
Guess Who
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Hello Mates
kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>In article <jlcuet499qvupc6lk...@4ax.com>,
>CATMAN <cat...@gerfing.com> wrote:
>>On 01 May 2001 12:27:25 GMT, <20010501082725...@ng-mq1.aol.com>
>>dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>>
>>>So, I'm going to assume you're a fifty-year-old virgin. Is that correct?
>>
>>I am a virgin as far as comes to homosexual sex and seeing how you take so much
>>interest in my sex life and the comments you've made in the past I can only
>>conclude you want to wrap your lips around my cock! Have you forgotten how you
>
><newsdog\.com>HNNTP-Posting-Host:j = <PLONK>
>
Can't stand to have the truth pointed out about your psal Andrew can you filth?
I showed him in true context yet you are projecting Andrew's homo-lusts on me. I
don't ask men out for drinks. Here is Andrew again for the record:
On 01 May 2001 12:27:25 GMT, <20010501082725...@ng-mq1.aol.com>
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>So, I'm going to assume you're a fifty-year-old virgin. Is that correct?
I am a virgin as far as comes to homosexual sex and seeing how you take so much
interest in my sex life and the comments you've made in the past I can only
conclude you want to wrap your lips around my cock! Have you forgotten how you
Hello Mates
>So, I'm going to assume you're a fifty-year-old virgin. Is that correct?
I am a virgin as far as comes to homosexual sex and seeing how you take so much
Hello Mates
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On 29 Apr 2001 15:32:49 GMT, <20010429113249...@ng-cg1.aol.com>
Billy Dale
>So, I'm going to assume you're a fifty-year-old virgin. Is that correct?
I am a virgin as far as comes to homosexual sex and seeing how you take so much
Billy Dale
kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>In article <jlcuet499qvupc6lk...@4ax.com>,
>CATMAN <cat...@gerfing.com> wrote:
>>On 01 May 2001 12:27:25 GMT, <20010501082725...@ng-mq1.aol.com>
>>dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>>
>>>So, I'm going to assume you're a fifty-year-old virgin. Is that correct?
>>
>>I am a virgin as far as comes to homosexual sex and seeing how you take so much
>>interest in my sex life and the comments you've made in the past I can only
>>conclude you want to wrap your lips around my cock! Have you forgotten how you
>
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Can't stand to have the truth pointed out about your psal Andrew can you filth?
I showed him in true context yet you are projecting Andrew's homo-lusts on me. I
don't ask men out for drinks. Here is Andrew again for the record:
On 01 May 2001 12:27:25 GMT, <20010501082725...@ng-mq1.aol.com>
dctrm...@aol.com (Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.) wrote:
>So, I'm going to assume you're a fifty-year-old virgin. Is that correct?
I am a virgin as far as comes to homosexual sex and seeing how you take so much
interest in my sex life and the comments you've made in the past I can only
conclude you want to wrap your lips around my cock! Have you forgotten how you
Billy Dale
always know when you have these vermin cornered- they either attack you
personally of they cancel your posts! This is the third time it has been forged
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