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The Holocaust Myth: A Debilitating Device of the Jews


Why is the legend of the Holocaust propagated? Is it because the
self-proclaimed Chosen Ones wish to "never forget?" Or is it for a
more dastardly purpose?

The Holocaust Myth is peddled by both professional liars, and well-
meaning but misguided historians. Enormous amounts of material have
been produced, and hundreds of millions of dollars have been expended
in this campaign to disseminate the "acceptable" version of the plight
of the Jews under the Third Reich.

Building upon the fact that hundreds of thousands of Jews suffered
and died during the war -- a war in which Jewish leaders played the
major part in materializing -- the Holocaust Myth was developed into
a legend of genocide as convenient but irrelevant facts, misinterpre-
tation of the conditions existing at the concentration camps, grossly
inflated numbers of Jewish missing person reports, and a myriad of
falsehoods were manifested into a fable about a program of extermi-
nation against European Jewry. Never before were historical events
made into a fictitious legend so successfully; the clever synthesis
of folklore and cinema into the believable myth of the Holocaust
stands as a testimonial to Jewish artistic skill.

What do the Jews stand to gain from the Holocaust Myth? Mainly two
things: most importantly, a psychological and spiritual weapon for
utilization against peoples of the West; secondly, billions of dollars
of monetary aid and materiel for their cause, including the State of
Israel, via "reparations," and profits collected from the promotion
of the Myth.

The Holocaust Myth serves to shield Jewry from valid criticism, criti-
cism of their unrighteous acts which is negated due to their unique,
special victim status, this victimhood gained in large part by public
sympathy generated through the Myth.

The Holocaust Myth serves to instill shame in White people, to dim-
inish pride in the accomplishments of the Aryan race. By applying
guilt where none is deserved, White people are morally disarmed and
disabled, inhibiting their ability to assert themselves when impor-
tant decisions affecting the Fate of their race need be made.

The Holocaust Myth is used as a vehicle for extortion. The German
people have been deprived of many billions of Marks as "restitution"
for "crimes" they could not be guilty of even had they occurred, and
other Aryan nations are expected to contribute to Israel and other
Jewish charities largely to "atone" for their inaction to "save" the
Jews.

The Holocaust Myth lies in the bedrock of the new "multicultural"
religion which Jews have a great part in foisting on the world.
Without this fabled tale about genocide perpetrated by the defenders
of the Aryan race, such a scheme would utterly fail for lack of
support.

Criticism of the Holocaust Myth, regardless of the validity of the
arguments presented, is unlawful in Germany, France and several
other countries because of the legend's fragility. Further Dracon-
ian measures to suppress the fast-growing public skepticism about the
extermination claims will undoubtedly be enacted. However, this will
prove self-defeating, for as more and more special protections are
required to compel conformity with the Jewish version of history,
the Myth's validity will become ever more questioned. Reasonable
people will come to understand that if the Holocaust was fact, special
legislation would be unnecessary to help perpetuate it.

Of course many revisionists have a political motive in denying the
factuality of the Holocaust. They purpose to eliminate the unrighteous
influence that Jews wield when they use their Holocaust Myth. They
seek to right an obscene wrong, to remove the indictment against not
only Hitler and National Socialism, but against all Western peoples
who have refused to bow to the Jewish will. The neutralization of
the eternal shame imposed upon the White race will occur when history
is revised in accordance with the facts. Justice is the motive of
many historical revisionists.

Should the Holocaust Myth be demonstrated to be the illusion that it
is, what are the ramifications for its primary purveyors? Great
public outrage would undoubtedly result, as the world is made aware
that it was so dispicably and deliberately deceived. Exacerbating
this justifiable rage will be the fact that the willful deception
had as a primary purpose the manipulation of Western peoples' Destiny,
and the extraction of their tax dollars. The uncodified exclusive
privileges of the Jews would be withdrawn promptly.

Yes, the Holocaust Myth is an illusion, a tremendously powerful,
well-constructed and effective illusion. Many safeguards are erected
to prevent its lack of substance from being revealed. But, the truth
often appears at inopportune times. Many more half-truths and con-
cocted "facts" shall be issued, but, as the body of truth slowly
emerges, so does the Grand Myth slowly erode. With work and perse-
verance, the Holocaust Myth will be shown to be what it truly is:
a hoax; a program which simply did not exist.


-- Milton John Kleim, Jr.

Gordon McFee

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Nov 11, 1993, 10:08:53 PM11/11/93
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In a previous article, her...@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU () says:

Gee Miltie/Meyer, who wrote this gem for you?

>The Holocaust Myth: A Debilitating Device of the Jews
>
>
>Why is the legend of the Holocaust propagated? Is it because the
>self-proclaimed Chosen Ones wish to "never forget?" Or is it for a
>more dastardly purpose?

Would you mind explaining who are the "self-proclaimed chosen ones"? Do
you mean the Jews? The facts of the holocaust are "propagated" by among
others McVay and McFee, those two well-known Jews!

>
>The Holocaust Myth is peddled by both professional liars, and well-
>meaning but misguided historians. Enormous amounts of material have
>been produced, and hundreds of millions of dollars have been expended
>in this campaign to disseminate the "acceptable" version of the plight
>of the Jews under the Third Reich.

The holocaust story is also told in exquisite detail by the masters of the
Third Reich, in their own words. Were they liars or well-meaning historians?


>
>Building upon the fact that hundreds of thousands of Jews suffered
>and died during the war -- a war in which Jewish leaders played the
>major part in materializing -- the Holocaust Myth was developed into
>a legend of genocide as convenient but irrelevant facts, misinterpre-
>tation of the conditions existing at the concentration camps, grossly
>inflated numbers of Jewish missing person reports, and a myriad of
>falsehoods were manifested into a fable about a program of extermi-
>nation against European Jewry. Never before were historical events
>made into a fictitious legend so successfully; the clever synthesis
>of folklore and cinema into the believable myth of the Holocaust
>stands as a testimonial to Jewish artistic skill.
>

Since Hitler started the war, and since you say "Jewish leaders played the
major role" and since "leader" in German is "Fuehrer" and since Hitler was
called "Fuehrer", that means Hitler was Jewish. Thanks for the
incontrovertible proof, Miltie/Meyer.

>What do the Jews stand to gain from the Holocaust Myth? Mainly two
>things: most importantly, a psychological and spiritual weapon for
>utilization against peoples of the West; secondly, billions of dollars
>of monetary aid and materiel for their cause, including the State of
>Israel, via "reparations," and profits collected from the promotion
>of the Myth.

Right Miltie/Meyer. The Jews who were herded into gas chambers sure
gained a lot from the war.


>
>The Holocaust Myth serves to shield Jewry from valid criticism, criti-
>cism of their unrighteous acts which is negated due to their unique,
>special victim status, this victimhood gained in large part by public
>sympathy generated through the Myth.

[retch]


>
>The Holocaust Myth serves to instill shame in White people, to dim-
>inish pride in the accomplishments of the Aryan race. By applying
>guilt where none is deserved, White people are morally disarmed and
>disabled, inhibiting their ability to assert themselves when impor-
>tant decisions affecting the Fate of their race need be made.

Miltie/Meyer, this is going to come as a hell of a shock, but the
exterminated Jews were WHITE. So were the Germans who exterminated them.


>
>The Holocaust Myth is used as a vehicle for extortion. The German
>people have been deprived of many billions of Marks as "restitution"
>for "crimes" they could not be guilty of even had they occurred, and
>other Aryan nations are expected to contribute to Israel and other
>Jewish charities largely to "atone" for their inaction to "save" the
>Jews.

Perhaps because Germany started a war that killed 50,000,000 people!


>
>The Holocaust Myth lies in the bedrock of the new "multicultural"
>religion which Jews have a great part in foisting on the world.
>Without this fabled tale about genocide perpetrated by the defenders
>of the Aryan race, such a scheme would utterly fail for lack of
>support.

Which one of Gannon's 25 dimensions does multicultural religion fit into?


>
>Criticism of the Holocaust Myth, regardless of the validity of the
>arguments presented, is unlawful in Germany, France and several
>other countries because of the legend's fragility. Further Dracon-
>ian measures to suppress the fast-growing public skepticism about the
>extermination claims will undoubtedly be enacted. However, this will
>prove self-defeating, for as more and more special protections are
>required to compel conformity with the Jewish version of history,
>the Myth's validity will become ever more questioned. Reasonable
>people will come to understand that if the Holocaust was fact, special
>legislation would be unnecessary to help perpetuate it.

Fast growing only in the teensy weensy little minds of pathetic little
vermin like you.


>
>Of course many revisionists have a political motive in denying the
>factuality of the Holocaust. They purpose to eliminate the unrighteous
>influence that Jews wield when they use their Holocaust Myth. They
>seek to right an obscene wrong, to remove the indictment against not
>only Hitler and National Socialism, but against all Western peoples
>who have refused to bow to the Jewish will. The neutralization of
>the eternal shame imposed upon the White race will occur when history
>is revised in accordance with the facts. Justice is the motive of
>many historical revisionists.

[retch]


>
>Should the Holocaust Myth be demonstrated to be the illusion that it
>is, what are the ramifications for its primary purveyors? Great
>public outrage would undoubtedly result, as the world is made aware
>that it was so dispicably and deliberately deceived. Exacerbating
>this justifiable rage will be the fact that the willful deception
>had as a primary purpose the manipulation of Western peoples' Destiny,
>and the extraction of their tax dollars. The uncodified exclusive
>privileges of the Jews would be withdrawn promptly.
>
>Yes, the Holocaust Myth is an illusion, a tremendously powerful,
>well-constructed and effective illusion. Many safeguards are erected
>to prevent its lack of substance from being revealed. But, the truth
>often appears at inopportune times. Many more half-truths and con-
>cocted "facts" shall be issued, but, as the body of truth slowly
>emerges, so does the Grand Myth slowly erode. With work and perse-
>verance, the Holocaust Myth will be shown to be what it truly is:
>a hoax; a program which simply did not exist.
>
>
>-- Milton John Kleim, Jr.
>

Not in your lifetime, Wormie.
--
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I'll write no line before its time!

Barry Shein

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Nov 11, 1993, 10:45:47 PM11/11/93
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From: her...@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU

>The Holocaust Myth: A Debilitating Device of the Jews

Um, and just a few others donchaknow? Oh, right, they're all dupes,
even the gypsies and catholics who were also guests of these death
camps...

>The Holocaust Myth is peddled by both professional liars, and well-
>meaning but misguided historians. Enormous amounts of material have
>been produced, and hundreds of millions of dollars have been expended
>in this campaign to disseminate the "acceptable" version of the plight
>of the Jews under the Third Reich.

But only Hermann has the truth!

>Building upon the fact that hundreds of thousands of Jews suffered
>and died during the war -- a war in which Jewish leaders played the
>major part in materializing

Jewish leaders of WHAT may I ask???

Oh, right, those omnipotent Jews, no doubt they actually flew those
Japanese planes into Pearl Harbor and forced Hitler into invading
Poland and Czechoslovakia...wow, I get more impressed by dem jews
every time I read one of these rants! They control EVERYTHING!

>What do the Jews stand to gain from the Holocaust Myth? Mainly two
>things: most importantly, a psychological and spiritual weapon for
>utilization against peoples of the West; secondly, billions of dollars
>of monetary aid and materiel for their cause, including the State of
>Israel, via "reparations," and profits collected from the promotion
>of the Myth.

Yeah, them Jews, they duped every single western govt, and more! And
no one but Hermann and Gannon and about ten others around the world
have figured this out!

It's astounding, absolutely astounding.

And them joos continue to do it to this day, you can't win Hermann,
they got mental powers or something, mind control! Quick, better hide,
they may be putting the evil eye on you as I type, maybe I'm making
you read this and you don't even realize it!

Maybe they've forced you through their incredible psychotronic powers
to act the clown in public and discredit the movement you love so
much!

And what does Hermann stand to gain by the re-emergence of the Third
Reich?

Well, I suppose he expects a cushy officer's spot with a cool uniform
and those swell riding boots and, like, to hang out with all these
swell guys it'll be just like Goering and Goebbells and Himmler in the
good old days.

Actually, the truth of the matter is poor Hermann has one fatal flaw.

He's a seeker of justice, maybe just for himself and a few of his
"aryan brothers", and maybe at anyone else's expense, and maybe
misguided to the point of insanity and depravity and the delusion that
he can get justice by destroying justice, but a seeker of justice
nonetheless. Maybe he was beat just a little too much as a small child
and can no longer see quite straight morally. Sad.

But boy oh boy if there's one thing his heroes of the Third Reich
*weren't* were seekers of justice! Nor did they have a moments'
tolerance for anyone who was.

So, unfortunately Hermann, ya know those cool riding boots?

I think you'd better adjust your image to one which contains a heel
from one of those boots crushing your teeth down your throat while you
look up helplessly at some cackling lunatic with real power who you
helped install as he ejaculates in his pants at the sight of you
trying to moan out how you were faithful, you were a believer,
mmmphrghhh!

Cause that's a lot closer to the fate you're weaving for yourself, tho
more likely you'll just end up a wino in some back alley ranting only
slightly more idiotically than you do here.

It was idealistic schmucks like you who got some of the worst of it in
your glorious Third Reich. You were the ones sent out to stop the
Russian tanks from entering Berlin with only broomsticks and hastily
hung medals on your chests. You were the ones Hitler and his thugs had
a grand old time betraying, at least the Jews were smart enough to
hate his guts, they knew what was going on, but poor fools like
yourself were hopeless idiots and only a waste of good food better
thrown to the rats.

You were the ones sent to the Russian front and held there without
supplies over that long winter and when Hitler is told that you're
starving, dying by the thousands from cold and disease and
malnutrition, and have eaten your horses and rumors were flying of
cannibalism he finally relented, cursing you all the while, and
air-dropped you a few thousand pounds of black pepper and condoms (the
black pepper was because he insisted there must still be some horses
left, god only knows why he sent the condoms, it remains a mystery of
history why he ordered that.)

Look around you Hermann, notice that none of your drinking buddies who
love it when you spout this idiocy are doing very well, borrowing your
money, drinking all your cheap beer out of the fridge, bitching about
their two-bit jobs if they even have a job?

Now go look into the lives of your blessed Nazi elite and what they
generally were before they took the reins of power. The castles they
lived in, their high-flung careers and how they waltzed with the best
of society, went to the best schools, moved easily in and out of
political circles long before Hitler gave them a way to grab the whole
ball of wax. Oh, Hitler was a pretty common man, he couldn't even get
into college, I suppose there's room for one or two evil geniuses and
fabulous manipulators. You one of them Hermann? Are you sure?

Look at your heros, get their photos out and look them square in the
eyes, notice how they sneer back at you like you're some sort of
nauseating insect they just spotted in the mashed potatoes.

Because, unlike you, those fellows weren't half-baked raving losers
who sat at a terminal and ranted as if there was a god in heaven who
was listening ready to deliver justice gift-wrapped.

And you and your buddies were the road they drove over as they popped
another good vintage bottle of sparkling wine and laughed their asses
off that there are people as goddamn stupid and gullible as yourself
who would do all their dirty work!


[incredibly sophomoric Hermann drivel deleted]

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Seth J. Bradley

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"I, personally, was the first Allied soldier to enter the city square
of Witten, a large city on the Ruhr River. I led a patrol through the
city, and incidentally, passed a slave camp that occupied the entire
city square. Behind the barbed wire of that camp were French, Dutch,
Belgian, Polish, Czech and Soviet prisoners; most were prisoners of
war; some were people that had been dragooned into slavery. They
worked in the local mills and mines. I found, personally, I saw -
personally, the effects of the German intent to destroy peoples by
starvation, exhaustion and disease. The prisoners were segregated by
nationality. The French, Dutch, etc. were the best off, the Soviets
the worst. The Soviets were reduced to cannibalism, I saw! I smelled
it, all of A and B companies, 1st Battalion 289th Infantry Battalion
saw it. This was the first such sight as we conquered Germany. It
was far from the last. These were not concentration camps with gas
chambers and ovens. In these slave camps people were systematically
killed by starvation and disease. This camp held 6,000 people. A
total of 30,000 had passed through it. The 24,000 had died during the
years 1943, 1944 and one-half of 1945. This too was a death camp, one
of thousands of such camps in Germany. I personally saw, as a front
line soldier, at least 200 such camps large and small.

German is my third language. I spoke with many Germans, every one to
whom I spoke acknowledged the existence of these death camps. At
least one-third acknowledged the existence of the concentration camps,
and the Einsatz Gruppen, the murder squad which operated throughout
Eastern Europe. No one admitted to being a participant. Hundreds
informed on their friends and neighbors as having been participants.
I participated in identifying persons for arrest and trial as war
criminals. This was Kreis Brillon in Westphalia, Germany."

- Philip R. Bradley, Lt. Colonel, JAGC, retired -
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Danny Keren

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Nov 12, 1993, 2:24:38 AM11/12/93
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As usual, "HERMANN" posts many assertions and propaganda, but not one
single fact to prove that any single detail of the Holocaust is
untrue. One could, with the use of an editor, replace "Holocaust"
by "WW2" and the article would have the same value (e.g. zero).

This is the problem Holocaust deniers face: not only are they trying
to prove the impossible, they are also rather stupid people. All of
them that have posted here are complete morons: they are good at
meaningless propaganda, but when it gets down to hard facts they
are exposed for the pathetic fools they are.

Nazi animals can win debates only if they close their opponents
in death camps and prevent them from answering. Worked before, but
I don't think it's going to work again. The world learned its lesson.

Same for the claim "Jews were partly responsible for WW2". This is
simply restating the lies of Goebbels, and with the same goal behind it.

One has to wonder how the all-powerful Jews caused the war to happen (what
the hell for??), and yet, those all-powerful Jews could do nothing
to help themselves once it started, not even convince a single country
in the world to help them. Funny people those Jews must be, real masochists.


Just for the record: compensation from Germany is not based on the
number of those killed, but is payed to *survivors*. Hence, even to
a Nazi moron it should be obvious that had Israel wanted to extort
money from Germany, it would claim *more* people survived, and *less*
were killed. Is that too complicated for you, "HERMANN"?

Also, the number of victims was determined long before the issue of
compensations even came up; actualy, before there even was a state of
Israel.

Anyway, here is a survey of the Holocaust, published by the foremost
historians in Germany:


-----------------------------------------------
This file contains a short survey on the dimensions of the Holocaust,
published by the Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe (Institute for Contemporary
History) in Munich, Germany, at 1992.

The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe is considered an authority on this
issue in Germany, and has been used as a source of information on the
Holocaust in various trials of Nazi war criminals there.

Feel free to quote from this letter, under the following conditions:

1) Verbatim quotes only.
2) The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe has to be cited as the source.

-Daniel Keren (d...@lems.brown.edu).

**********************************************************************
Concerns: The killing of people through gas in the extermination and
concentrations camps under the Nazi power

The systematic murdering of humans through gas during the Nazi rule
was introduced for the first time from January 1940 on in the area of
the "Euthanasia", the extermination of the "lives not worthy to live"
of the handicapped, mental patients and the terminally ill, and from
fall 1941 on was continued to a much larger extent by the pogroms of
the operation groups of the security police and the SD in the seized
eastern areas with the help of mobile gas vans.

Beginning December of 1941 one proceeded in the camp Kulmhof (Polish
Chelmno) to use stationary gas vans for the killing of Jews, and from
the beginning of 1942 in different camps fixed gas chambers were
built, or already existing buildings were restructured for this
purpose.

One needs to differentiate by the furnishing of such gas chambers and
the gassing actions carried out within them between the mass gassings
of Jews in the extermination camps build for that purpose and the
gassings of smaller scale in individual, already existing
concentration camps (whereby patients, seized forced laborers, war
prisoners, and political prisoners among others were also victims)

The following extermination camps existed:


Kulmhof i.e. Chelmno (in the then Wartheland), where between December
1941 and fall 1942 and again from May until August 1944 gassings by
means of carbon monoxide from motor exhaust gas took place. Altogether
more than 150,000 Jews as well as 5000 gypsies have hereby been
killed.


Belzec (in the district Lublin of the then general governments): from
march to December 1942 in the beginning in three, later in six large
gas chambers by means of carbon monoxide from motor exhaust gas
altogether about 600,000 Jews were killed here.


Sobibor (district Lublin, general government) received in April 1942
three, later in September 1942 six gas chambers and until October 1943
it was "in operation". During this period at least 200,000 Jews have
been murdered through carbon monoxide gas.


Treblinka (district Warschau, general government) from the end of July
1942 on had three gas chambers and received at the start of September
1942 furthermore ten larger gas chambers. Up to the dissolution of the
camp in November 1943 altogether 700,000 Jews were killed here by
carbon monoxide.


Majdanek (district Lublin, general government): The concentration camp
existing since September 1941 turned into an extermination camp when
between April 1942 and November 1943 mass shootings took place to
which 24,000 Jews fell victim. In October 1942 also two, later three
gas chambers were built. In the beginning the killings in these were
done by means of carbon monoxide, soon however one was using Zyklon B
(a highly poisonous insecticide made from cyan hydrogen). Up until the
dissolution of the camp in March 1944 about 50,000 Jews have been
gassed.


Auschwitz-Birkenau (in the formerly polish, in 1939 adjoined to the
"Reich" upper eastern Silesian area, south eastern of Kattowitz): The
extermination camp in Birkenau, established in the second half of
1941, was joined to the concentration camp Auschwitz, existing since
May 1940. From January 1942 on in five gas chambers and from the end
of June 1943 in four additional large gassing-rooms gassings with
Zyklon B have been undertaken. Up until November 1944 more than one
million Jews and at least 4000 gypsies have been murdered by gas.


In the following concentration camps gas chambers were established and
have gone into operation:


Mauthausen (upper Austria): From fall 1941 on one gas chamber existed
which was operated with Zyklon B. In addition, gassings with carbon
monoxide took place through gas vans which were driven between
Mauthausen and it's side-camp Gusen. Altogether more than 4000 have
been killed here through gas.

Neuengamme (southeastern of Hamburg): From fall of 1942 on gassings
with Zyklon B were undertaken here in a "Bunker" prepared for that,
about 450 victims.

Sachsenhausen (Province Brandenburg, north of Berlin) received mid
March 1943 a gas chamber which was operated with Zyklon B. Several
thousand people fell victim to the gassings, a more specific number
cannot be determined.

Natzweiler (by Struthof, Elsass): From August 1943 to August 1944 a
gas chamber existed here in which between 120 and 200 people were
killed through Zyklon B in order to be able to dissect their skeletons
for the Anatomica Institute of University of Strassburg. Back then
this institute was managed by a chief company commander of SS Prof.
Dr. August Hirt.

Stutthof (east of Danzig) had from June 1944 on one gas chamber in
which more than 1000 were killed by Zyklon B.

Ravensbruck (Bradenburg, north of Berlin): Here still in January 1945
a gas chamber was established; the number of the people killed in it
was at least 2300.

Dachau (Upper Bavaria, northeast of Munich): During the establishment
of a new house of cremation in 1942 also a gas chamber was established
in it in which in connection with the medical experiments of the chief
company commander of SS Dr. Rascher also a few experimental gassings
were undertaken, as more recent research has confirmed. (On that see
Gunther Kimmel: The Concentration Camp Dachau. A study of the Nazi
crimes of violence in Bavaria in the NS-time II, edited by Martin
Broszat and Elke Froehlich, Munich, R. Oldenburg Press, 1979, P. 391.)
Larger gassing operations have not taken place in Dachau.

The victims of the operation groups of the security service and the SD
behind the German frontier in the Russia-campaign were to the by far
largest part Jews. Their number is estimated to be at least 900,000.

The difference between the total of the victims of the gassings cited
in the above mentioned composition and the number of victims of the
operation groups and the total of roughly 6 million victims of the
Nazi persecution of the Jews results from the fact that a very high
percentage of the victims have lost their lives through indirect
extermination actions such as the method "destruction through work",
bad treatment, under nourishment, epidemics, exhaustion during forced
transportations etc.

About 120,000 people were killed through the Nazi
"Euthanasia"-actions.

Jonas Flygare

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Hey, Milton, when will you tell us what the distinguishing traits of
your 'Northern European Race' are?

Eagerly awaiting, but not expecting, a reply.

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her...@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu

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"...if the Holocaust was fact, special legislation would be unnecessary
to perpetuate it."

THE HOLOCAUST MYTH: A DEBILITATING DEVICE OF THE JEWS

Scott H Mullins

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In article <2bvdnm$f...@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> d...@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
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>This is the problem Holocaust deniers face: not only are they trying
>to prove the impossible, they are also rather stupid people. All of
>them that have posted here are complete morons: they are good at
>meaningless propaganda, but when it gets down to hard facts they
>are exposed for the pathetic fools they are.

I have to disagree with on this. I haven't seen evidence that Gannon
is a "complete moron". Now, I am not going to get into a
discussion about the relative intelligence of Gannon
because anybody who can convince themselves that something as
historically proven as the holocaust didn't happen has some
serious blind spots. But I think it does a disservice to everyone
to dismiss these people as "stupid". Were the Nazi's stupid?
No, because if they had been stupid they wouldn't have been
nearly so dangerous. To dismiss hate-filled people minimizes the
danger such people present to the society at large. If we can
categorize such people as "pathetic fools" then we need not
worry about them because who can be endangered by such a
person?

I basically agree with the rest of what you write here but
I think it is incumbent on all of us to recognize the cunning
behind Nazi concepts like "the big lie" and "blaim the victim".
These can be extremely effective techniques for propaganda.

It is not stupidity that motivates such people, but ideology,
a hate-filled, racist, and brutal ideology. Never forget.

However, "HERMANN" seems like a complete moron though this
may be caused by some sort of language barrier or a
difference in species.


--
Scott
smul...@ecn.purdue.edu

Michael P. Beck

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Nov 12, 1993, 4:53:31 PM11/12/93
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Look fuckface...I dont expect you to understand the Holocaust and the effects
it has upon ALL peoples, but let me ask you one fucking question..


HAS A MEMBER OF YOUR CLOSE IMMEDIATE FAMILY EVER BEEN_KILLED_?!

The German.

Barry Shein

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Nov 12, 1993, 5:27:19 PM11/12/93
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Ah Hermann, those clever jooos.

So, what we are to believe, if I follow Hermann, is that these
all-powerful, all-omnipotent, mind-controlling jooos pulling the
strings on every world govt purposely made post-war Germany one of the
richest nations in the world just so they could be blackmailed out of
billions in "reparations" to Israel!

What a clever plan that was!

I suppose one could wonder why they didn't just make Israel so rich it
didn't need Germany's billions.

Wow, the mind boggles! This is some complicated conspiracy them
jooooos have concocted. Make Israel relatively poor, mostly by having
their neighbors attack them constantly so they spend all this money on
military things, then make Germany incredibly rich and peaceful, and
then get Germany to donate lots of money to Israel!

My eyes are opened, truly, really, would I kid you? Nahhh, how can I
pull your leg when you don't even have one to stand on?

Ever wonder why these all-powerful/all-omnipotent joos (tm) let
Hermann keep posting? Maybe it's because it'd be hard to produce
better satire if you tried?

Roderick M. Riensche

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Nov 12, 1993, 3:42:15 PM11/12/93
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In article <1993Nov12....@msus1.msus.edu>
her...@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (skinhead geek) babbles yet again:

>
>
>"...if the Holocaust was fact, special legislation would be unnecessary
>to perpetuate it."
>
"...if Nazi-wanna-be skinhead losers weren't obnoxious offensive idiots,
special legislation would be unnecessary to prevent them from being
strangled by normal people."

I see you've been taking lessons from Gannon. "Now, hermann, here's how
you do it: Post a stupid article with no real basis, but a lot of
claims. This will cause a big response. Lots of sensible sane people
will respond and point out to you how stupid you are. What you have to
do then is REPOST the same exact article, maybe adding one new line that
you think is really catchy at the beginning."

Fucking idiot. You sniveling little morons make me want to dye my hair
and get colored contact lenses.

[The rest of your re-posted trash has been deleted, like you ought to be.]

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David Randolph Tyler Magill

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Nov 15, 1993, 4:45:28 AM11/15/93
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Milt writes:
Yes, the Holocaust Myth is an illusion...

By gum, you're right. The idea that it's a myth *is* an
illusion. Did all those old survivors get tattoos for grins?
Did they have Photoshop 2.5 in '44 to fake all those lovely
pictures of rail-thin corpses stacked neatly into piles like
wood?
The idea that the Holocaust is a cleverly perpetrated hoax is
on the level of the idea that the moon-landing was a cleverly
perpetrated hoax performed in Utah.
A quick story:
My grandmother's husband (who I never had the fortune of
meeting, as he left before I was born) was stationed in
Germany, in a POW camp. One of the German POWs saw a picture of
my grandmother and sort of fell in love with her. My
grandfather was flattered rather than angered, and when the POW
asked to paint a picture of my grandmother my gramps
acquiesced. It's a beautiful picture. My grandfather asked the
POW how long he had painted, and he said he had just started.
He said he was doing it to erase the memory of what he saw in
the camps. And that's all he said.
I guess if we want to get misty-eyed, we could say that beauty
comes from atonement. Or, we could think that something so
terrible happened that this was the only way this poor bastard
could forget what he saw. I think it's both.

It's no hoax, Milton. Ask a German. Ask the Swiss (I used to
live there, many are quite candid as to what they heard come
over the border). Ask a Jew. Triangulate the facts. It all adds
up to shit, a big pile of the devil's shit, and that's what the
Holocaust was.

Read "Time's Arrow" by Martin Amis. Excellent treatment of the
Holocaust "Myth".

Tyler

Bryce Hamm

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Nov 16, 1993, 3:46:41 PM11/16/93
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Some of my family were taken off by the storm troopers because my
grandmothers sisters side was opposing the NAZI party, thy were taken
to work camps and never heard from again. That is 12 people in my family

--
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Supporting White Rights Through National Socialism \/> Victory Hail!
DISCLAIMER: My Opinions Have NOTHING to do with that of the SDF or its Admins!

John Baglow

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Nov 17, 1993, 8:45:20 AM11/17/93
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In a previous article, br...@sdf.lonestar.org (Bryce Hamm) says:

>Some of my family were taken off by the storm troopers because my
>grandmothers sisters side was opposing the NAZI party, thy were taken
>to work camps and never heard from again. That is 12 people in my family
>

>br...@sdf.lonestar.org </\
>Supporting White Rights Through National Socialism \/> Victory Hail!

...and. looking down from above, they must be *some* proud of their
descendant.

--J.B.
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Armin Celaa'

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Nov 16, 1993, 2:35:56 PM11/16/93
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Excellent post Barry, quite impressive, makes a good point. One point you almost touched that you didn't quite go through with was this:

If the Jews are so bad, and they have so much power, money, control, etc. etc. etc., then perhaps THEY are the master race, Aryan boys. You guys sure seem to be under their thumb from your own postings. Of course, I don't really believe there is any master race, and people like Hermann would most assuredly not be a part of it. To paraphrase the Deadk Kennedys:... ahh hell why don't I just quote it..

You still think swastikas are cool
The real Nazis run your schools
They're coaches, businessmen and cops
In a REAL FOURTH REICH YOU'LL BE THE FIRST TO GO!

...

--


--
Armin Celaa'

Dan Spiegel

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Nov 22, 1993, 12:28:37 AM11/22/93
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Let's play "Logic with lowlifes". Today's logical stumper:

If the Jews/Zionists control the media/government(s)/money/world/universe/.../,
then how is it that posts like the one I am replying to even make it onto the
network?

A little story to entertain the net:

I have often been told by a Jed Smock, evangelist, that I will be going to hell
for some of the various reasons/actions he normally uses/accuses me of. He
often told many other upstanding, righteous people of their afterlife
destinations. One day a simple fact occurred to me. The next time I saw Jed I
asked him "Are you going to heaven?", to which he, of course, immediately
replied, "Certainly". This left me to say "If assholes like you are
going to be in heaven, and all the good people you've told are going to hell
will be there, why would I want to hang around with all you bitter, hateful,
sons of bitches? In this case hell must be heaven and heaven hell." You can
imagine how nice it was for those 5 seconds he needed to think about what I
said. Shutting up and listening was a rare thing for Jed, but I think he
used his brain 5 seconds this time longer than than this member of the
"master race" ever has.

Little Nazi wannabe, find your foreign language dictionaries and you will know
what 1-3 mean. You've already heard #4 often, I'm sure:

1. Izdayan
2. Wah-ban-don
3. Vous avez plen de miere
4. Go Fuck Yourself

I speak not for my organization.

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