The army of the German murderers

[Sylvia]

The army of the German murderers did this:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen01.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen02.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrdruf-02.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//nordhausen/images/nordhausen-01.jpg
http://en.valka.cz/files/dachau_2_100.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/buchenwald01.jpg

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <mgu7p8t76m8t9qakb...@4ax.com>,
Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> The USA has among the highest crime rates on earth, and it always did.

care to provide a cite? oh, that's right, you don't do facts


>
> The USA tends to draw its military personnel from the inner city slums
> where crime rates are highest.

Yet another baseless assertion


Wealthy Americans usually find ways to
> get out of being in the army of the slums. Even George W. Bush didn't
> want to be part of that outfit and found ways around it.

except he didn't. his service may have been questionable, but he was
enlisted


>
> Americans appear to be surprised that they are detested around the
> world, and certainly in those places where the army of the slums has
> left its mark.
>
> What do Americans really expect when the ultra-ugly face they present
> to the world is the face of the dredges of American society, the
> absolute scum of the scum, most of whom would normally have been
> expected to become work for the lethal injection people had they not
> been let loose in other countries where they could be their obscene
> selves with impunity?
>
> The Taliban in Afghanistan may also be scum, but it doesn't follow
> that the murderous American horde that has descended on their country
> is the slightest bit better.

did you have a point?

[Sylvia@i-hate-spam@com.org]

In article <vme9p8pnc4ju3jtn9...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> Shove it up your ample arse, Sylvia.

What an articulate, intelligent response...

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <vme9p8pnc4ju3jtn9...@4ax.com>,
Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> On Wed, 15 May 2013 21:49:36 +0000 (UTC), Sylvia
> <Sylvia@i-hate-spam@com.org> wrote:
>

> Shove it up your ample arse, Sylvia.

hit a nerve, did she?

[Sylvia]

In article <rjbap81ue92ao8002...@4ax.com>,

> It is still rather more articulate and intelligent than your ignorant
> anti-German hate propaganda.

It's a fact. The German Army was an army of murderers.

> Your source has the same level of validity as the National Enquirer
> with its report of octogenarian has quintuplets.

You're not denying the authenticity of these photographs, are
you now?

[Sylvia]

In article <9mdap81uf2orvv2p0...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> In any case, your photographs have nothing to do with the German army.

The German Army was better than the SS, but still it was
corrupted by Nazi ideology. One need only look at the orders
issued by Walther von Reichenau.

> Some of the photographs may be genuine,

All of them are.

> but the captions are generally false,

Which captions are false? Be specific.

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <rjbap81ue92ao8002...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 May 2013 18:12:54 +0000 (UTC), Sylvia@i-hate-spam@com.org
> wrote:
>
> >In article <vme9p8pnc4ju3jtn9...@4ax.com>,
> >Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 15 May 2013 21:49:36 +0000 (UTC), Sylvia
> >> <Sylvia@i-hate-spam@com.org> wrote:
> >
> >>> The army of the German murderers did this:
> >>>

> >>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/bel
> >>> sen01.jpg
> >>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/bel

> >>> sen02.jpg

> >>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrdruf-0
> >>> 2.jpg
> >>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//nordhausen/images/nordha

> >>> usen-01.jpg
> >>> http://en.valka.cz/files/dachau_2_100.jpg
> >>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/buchen

> >>> wald01.jpg
> >
> >> Shove it up your ample arse, Sylvia.
> >
> >What an articulate, intelligent response...
>

> It is still rather more articulate and intelligent than your ignorant
> anti-German hate propaganda.
>

> Your source has the same level of validity as the National Enquirer
> with its report of octogenarian has quintuplets.

yet it is you that never provides facts/cites

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <oskap8pkmf2gjk7lt...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 May 2013 19:58:36 +0000 (UTC), Sylvia
> <Sylvia@i-hate-spam@com.org> wrote:
>
> >In article <9mdap81uf2orvv2p0...@4ax.com>,
> >Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:
> >
> >> In any case, your photographs have nothing to do with the German army.
> >
> >The German Army was better than the SS, but still it was
> >corrupted by Nazi ideology.
>

> There is little evidence of that, other than stuff manufactured in
> allied propaganda mills.

which is propaganda manufactured by goebbels propaganda mills

>
> >One need only look at the orders
> >issued by Walther von Reichenau.
>

> So tell me, what did Walther say? Was it worse than Churchill's "Fry
> me some Silesian refugees" when he ordered the terrorist attack on
> Dresden?

>
> >
> >> Some of the photographs may be genuine,
> >
> >All of them are.
>

> I'll take your word for it. I've seen practically all of the ones in
> common circulation, but I've also seen some obvious fabrications.

>
> >
> >> but the captions are generally false,
> >
> >Which captions are false? Be specific.
>

> I didn't look at yours, since I never visit Nizkor nor any site ending
> in "cz". If you want murderers, you need look no further than those
> bastards.

so you didn't look at the pictures yet felt competent to call them
irrelevant

>
> I've seen enough photographic misrepresentations from that period to
> know that there is a lot of junk out there. My time is too valuable to
> waste trying to convince true believers. You are free to believe what
> you wish, just like fundamentalist Muslims or Christians can believe
> what they wish; I just don't share their beliefs or yours.

you have such a strange way of admitting you've lied

[Sylvia]

In article <oskap8pkmf2gjk7lt...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> So tell me, what did Walther say?

You have not heard of the "Reichenau Order"?

"severe but just revenge on subhuman Jewry" and all that.

>> Which captions are false? Be specific.

> I didn't look at yours,

Yet, you know they're false??

[David]

Sylvia <Sylvia@i-hate-spam@com.org> wrote in
news:kn3cgu$aq8$1...@pcls6.std.com:

> In article <rjbap81ue92ao8002...@4ax.com>,
> Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Shove it up your ample arse, Sylvia.

Lovely manners from a nazi poof !

>
>>> What an articulate, intelligent response...
>
>> It is still rather more articulate and intelligent than your ignorant
>> anti-German hate propaganda.

>
> It's a fact. The German Army was an army of murderers.
>

Sylvia, Try your library for "Confronting The Nazi Past" edited by Michael
Burleigh , ISBN 1 85585 183 0.

This book is a collection of research articles that have been peer reviewed
with all sources identified giving some detail of the nazi machine in
operation. One of the research articles backs up your post about the
involvement of the German Army in atrocities and murder of civilians. This
applies especially to the German Army on the Eastern Front who were
encouraged in this savage behavior.

As for skaliks / ebersdorf, time has shown that he is not well read, his
claims are fiction, he is anti-semetic and a pathalogical liar.

David

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <ur2cp8droit6esgj4...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> I know sites such as Nizkor. It is the political arm of Zionism out to
> extort money from Germany, and anybody else stupid enough to give them
> money, and to justify their outrages in Palestine.
>
> I know from past experience that photos such as the ones on Nizkor are
> used along with copious texts to produce an unhistorical and totally
> false picture of Germany during that period. Nizkor amounts to warmed
> over allied war propaganda, all of which was false after WWI and most
> of which is false after WWII.
>
> Quite apart from WWII and Germany, most of what the allies have to say
> on any topic tends to be false, such as the Gulf of Tonkin incident
> which never even happened, and Saddam's weapons of mass destruction
> that never existed or the babies in incubators gruel-story from Kuwait
> which also never happened.
>
> The allies tell large numbers of lies to spin their barbarous
> depredations into virtue.

why is it that you eschew facts for bombast?

[Sylvia]

In article <ur2cp8droit6esgj4...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

>> You have not heard of the "Reichenau Order"?
>>
>> "severe but just revenge on subhuman Jewry" and all that.

Point made, I assume?

> I know sites such as Nizkor. It is the political arm of Zionism out to
> extort money from Germany, and anybody else stupid enough to give them
> money, and to justify their outrages in Palestine.

You "know"? How about sharing your vast knowledge with us?

> I know from past experience that photos such as the ones on Nizkor are
> used along with copious texts to produce an unhistorical and totally
> false picture of Germany during that period.

Proofs? Examples?

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <pplep8ddhnd89i710...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> On Fri, 17 May 2013 19:25:10 +0000 (UTC), Sylvia
> <Sylvia@i-hate-spam@com.org> wrote:
>
> >In article <ur2cp8droit6esgj4...@4ax.com>,
> >Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:
> >
> >>> You have not heard of the "Reichenau Order"?
> >>>
> >>> "severe but just revenge on subhuman Jewry" and all that.
> >
> >Point made, I assume?
>

> You have no point other than to spread anti-German hate propaganda.

>
> >
> >> I know sites such as Nizkor. It is the political arm of Zionism out to
> >> extort money from Germany, and anybody else stupid enough to give them
> >> money, and to justify their outrages in Palestine.
> >
> >You "know"? How about sharing your vast knowledge with us?
>

> Why would I waste time trying to convince true-believers such as
> yourself? You're the same as the world-was-created-in-six-days crowd.
> No amount of evidence would ever convince them, so why bother?

so no amount of evidence would ever convince you because you are a true
believer?

>
> >
> >> I know from past experience that photos such as the ones on Nizkor are
> >> used along with copious texts to produce an unhistorical and totally
> >> false picture of Germany during that period.
> >
> >Proofs? Examples?
>

> It isn't my job to prove anything false. It is your job to prove your
> claims valid, and you haven't been very convincing either to me or to
> numerous other people.

so it isn't our job to prove that Britain didn't have a fleet of
4-engined heavy bombers on 1 Sept 39, but for you to prove your claim is
valid, and you haven't even tried



You are free to believe anything you want, but
> then so am I, except possibly in Germany where the allied "history" of
> WWII is protected by draconian legislation.
>
> The German authorities appear to be stuck in witch-hunt mode, much
> like in the Middle Ages.

[Sylvia]

In article <pplep8ddhnd89i710...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

>>>> You have not heard of the "Reichenau Order"?
>>>>
>>>> "severe but just revenge on subhuman Jewry" and all that.

>> Point made, I assume?

> You have no point other than to spread anti-German hate propaganda.

Dear Sir, the point was that the German Army, too, was contaminated
by Nazi ideology, and this point was proven by my quote of the
"Reichenau Order" (which, unsurprisingly, you were not aware of).

Can't deal with reality? Tough.

>>> I know sites such as Nizkor. It is the political arm of Zionism out to
>>> extort money from Germany, and anybody else stupid enough to give them
>>> money, and to justify their outrages in Palestine.

>> You "know"? How about sharing your vast knowledge with us?

> Why would I waste time trying to convince true-believers such as
> yourself?

Excuse me? You make claims and then you don't even *try* to prove them,
citing this horrifically silly argument?...

[HQ]

In article <kn9jo8$cmf$1...@pcls6.std.com>,

Sylvia <Sylvia@i-hate-spam@com.org> wrote:

> In article <pplep8ddhnd89i710...@4ax.com>,
> Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

>> You have no point other than to spread anti-German hate propaganda.

> Dear Sir, the point was that the German Army, too, was contaminated
> by Nazi ideology, and this point was proven by my quote of the
> "Reichenau Order" (which, unsurprisingly, you were not aware of).
>
> Can't deal with reality? Tough.

The "Ebersdorf" persona (apparently his real name is Hans-Peter
Skaliks, a German immigrant to Canada), is this forum's equivalent
of David Irving: basically, each and every word he posts is a lie.

When confronted, he will evade, lie some more, shout "I don't
need to prove anything!", and eventually run away.

>>> You "know"? How about sharing your vast knowledge with us?

>> Why would I waste time trying to convince true-believers such as
>> yourself?

> Excuse me? You make claims and then you don't even *try* to prove
> them, citing this horrifically silly argument?...

Yep, that's "Ebersdorf" alright! :)

Cordially, Q.

[Sylvia]

In article <m69hp85fi8853mnem...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> Allied war propaganda hardly qualifies as reality.

The Reichenau Order is "Allied war propaganda"?

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <m69hp85fi8853mnem...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> On Sun, 19 May 2013 04:17:12 +0000 (UTC), Sylvia
> <Sylvia@i-hate-spam@com.org> wrote:
>
> >In article <pplep8ddhnd89i710...@4ax.com>,
> >Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:
> >
> >>>>> You have not heard of the "Reichenau Order"?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "severe but just revenge on subhuman Jewry" and all that.
> >
> >>> Point made, I assume?
> >
> >> You have no point other than to spread anti-German hate propaganda.
> >
> >Dear Sir, the point was that the German Army, too, was contaminated
> >by Nazi ideology, and this point was proven by my quote of the
> >"Reichenau Order" (which, unsurprisingly, you were not aware of).
> >
> >Can't deal with reality? Tough.
>

> Allied war propaganda hardly qualifies as reality. It has the same
> level of reality as the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

not even a good try at evasion. can't deal with reality, can you

>
> >
> >>>> I know sites such as Nizkor. It is the political arm of Zionism out to
> >>>> extort money from Germany, and anybody else stupid enough to give them
> >>>> money, and to justify their outrages in Palestine.
> >
> >>> You "know"? How about sharing your vast knowledge with us?
> >
> >> Why would I waste time trying to convince true-believers such as
> >> yourself?
> >
> >Excuse me? You make claims and then you don't even *try* to prove them,
> >citing this horrifically silly argument?...
>

> You're the one making insane claims such as that the twelve million
> draftees who served in the German armed forces were all murderers and
> Nazis.

show were she said all draftees who served the German armed forces were
murderers and nazi's


The total party membership was slightly under ten million in a
> population of 84 million, and most of them were not murderers either.

that of course is just your bombastic opinion and not supported by any
facts from you


>
> The things you claim for the German armed forces have been against the
> German military code for centuries, unlike American units that
> apparently rape, steal, and murder with impunity because Americans are
> "special".

Gee, I guess those UCMJ's are just more allied propaganda?


They are so murderous that Bush wanted them exempt from the
> war crimes provisions of international law, and if anybody ever needed
> exemptions it was the American "Army of the Slums".
>
> I have little patience to listen to hollow moralizing by some stinking
> American whose country has one of the world's highest imprisonment
> rates and which averages forty to fifty murders per day. Germany, by
> contrast has always had one of the world's LOWEST crime rates,

only if you refuse to factor in the nazi era, which you would of course
do


so I
> find it hard to believe allied propaganda about their alleged
> battlefield behaviour. Americans are criminals at home and they
> continue to be criminals on the battlefield, a totally consistent
> picture.

more bombast

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <3ffip85j5q4dehatd...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> The allies have made claims of quotes for all manner of people, but in
> many cases the quotations were poor translations or complete
> fabrications. I really don't trust any document in English that is
> purportedly an allied translation of a German document.

so why not read it in the original German, report to us what it says and
then we will take your translation to professionals for peer review? are
you that afraid of the truth that you won't do that?

> When people
> ask to see the original, they are usually met with excuses as to why
> it cannot be produced.

let's see some cites for this absurd assertion

>
> I once read an article in which the word Wehrmacht={Defence force} was
> translated as {war machine}. That was enough to read no further and
> just throw the article in the recycling bin.
>
> I seen too much tendentious unhistory about that period. I've seen
> poems and songs composed hundreds of years before the Nazis existed
> described as Nazi songs, so I know right away that I'm looking at
> absurd propaganda, and I just throw it into the trash bin.

we've seen hundreds of your absurd contentions, so we know when you are
lying...always

[Sylvia]

In article <3ffip85j5q4dehatd...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

>> The Reichenau Order is "Allied war propaganda"?

> The allies have made claims of quotes for all manner of people, but
> in many cases the quotations were poor translations or complete
> fabrications. I really don't trust any document in English that is
> purportedly an allied translation of a German document.

I just wonder: do you *ever* bother to deal with the facts, or
do you just post these generic, useless, unfounded, absurd
allegations as a reply to everything which refutes your untenable
position?

[Sylvia]

In article <atlas-bugged-35DD...@free.teranews.com>,

Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds <atlas-...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> In article <3ffip85j5q4dehatd...@4ax.com>,
> Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

>>> The Reichenau Order is "Allied war propaganda"?

>> The allies have made claims of quotes for all manner of people, but in
>> many cases the quotations were poor translations or complete
>> fabrications. I really don't trust any document in English that is
>> purportedly an allied translation of a German document.

> so why not read it in the original German,

WHAT?? You want him to actually deal with the FACTS??

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <kne073$m7c$1...@pcls6.std.com>,

I know, but it's so much fun catching his lies and then watching him try
to dance away from them...but do continue the good work, I'm afraid he's
about to plonk you

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <kne03l$47p$1...@pcls6.std.com>,

his phrase for this is "bombast over facts"

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <6gkmp89r1jhdmmbrv...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> The alleged original documents are not generally available.

"not generally available" means in fact that they are available, you'd
only have to ask, but you are incapable of doing that.


Virtually
> all the Nuremberg documents, for example, are copies of the
> translations of the original.

"virtually all the..." which means in fact that the originals exist and
are archived, but you are incapable of understanding that.


The originals, if they ever existed,
> have been conveniently lost. Even when things are supposedly original,
> they tend not to be on ministry paper

"tend not to be..." which means they do exist on ministry paper


and exhibit really atrocious
> German obviously typed on an American typewriter that lacks all the
> special characters used in German which have been added by hand. These
> "documents" were never intended to be exposed to public scrutiny,
> since they were withheld from the defence lawyers at this political
> show-trial.

the very fact that you use weasel words, proves beyond a doubt, proves
that you know you are lying

>
> >
> >WHAT?? You want him to actually deal with the FACTS??
>

> You have yet to present a fact. What you present is silly allied
> propaganda that you have deceived yourself into thinking is fact.

where are your facts to back up your silly assertions you make above?

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <r1lmp859gof5lvfum...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> So present a fact. You haven't do so up to now. You have just been
> regurgitating the allied nonsense you have been taught.
>
> Christians fundies react in exactly the same way when I tell them I
> don't accept their myths and fables. You need to get it through your
> thick skull that I don't have a "position", since I'm not trying to
> convince you of anything. I'm just telling you why I don't accept your
> myths and fables. I'm not telling you that you have to reject your
> myths and fables. You are welcome to them, but I just don't share
> them.

and we are telling you that your position is based on myths and fables.
why are your myths and fables supposed to be superior to the facts, the
facts that you never use to support your claim

ie, you made the claim that the British had a fleet of 4-engined heavy
bombers on 1 Sept 39 when in fact no such fleet existed...that is a
fact, not a myth or a fable except for you. You also made the claim that
the Dambuster raid only breached one dam and only interrupted electrical
service to Krupp, when in fact two damns were completely breach and
Krupp generated it's own electricity on-site

so why do you continue to spread goebbels propaganda?

[David]

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote in
news:6gkmp89r1jhdmmbrv...@4ax.com:

> The alleged original documents are not generally available. Virtually

> all the Nuremberg documents, for example, are copies of the

> translations of the original. The originals, if they ever existed,

> have been conveniently lost. Even when things are supposedly original,

> they tend not to be on ministry paper and exhibit really atrocious

> German obviously typed on an American typewriter that lacks all the
> special characters used in German which have been added by hand. These
> "documents" were never intended to be exposed to public scrutiny,
> since they were withheld from the defence lawyers at this political
> show-trial.
>
>>

>>WHAT?? You want him to actually deal with the FACTS??
>

> You have yet to present a fact. What you present is silly allied
> propaganda that you have deceived yourself into thinking is fact.
>

Ebe, blowing bubbles as usual !

No original German documents were ever withheld from the defence lawyers at
the IMT at Nuremberg. What they received were photo copies of the original
documents complete with signatures where applicable AND a translated copy
in the language of choice.

It should also be noted that none of the defense lawyers ever queried the
legitimacy of the german documents presented in court when, if anything was
amiss, would have been to their clients detriment.

Obviously your knowledge of the IMT court procedure, the trial and the
presenting of evidence, etc. is superficial if not non-existent otherwise
you would not be making such idiotic statements in public.

Of course, none of this will have the slightest influence on this neo-nazi,
neo-fascist, skaliks, for whom the facts of this period are fiction.

All skaliks vents forth is very tired old revisionist clap-trap that has
long since been shown to be garbage.

David

[Sylvia]

In article <6gkmp89r1jhdmmbrv...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> The alleged original documents are not generally available. Virtually
> all the Nuremberg documents, for example, are copies of the
> translations of the original. The originals, if they ever existed,
> have been conveniently lost.

Really? Say, you don't happen to have concrete examples
to prove your assertion, do you?

[Sylvia]

In article <r1lmp859gof5lvfum...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> So present a fact.

I did. The Reichenau order.

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <knldsh$vo5$1...@pcls6.std.com>,

LOL

[george152]

He's trying to deny the archives at Bad Arolsen. They are there and
available

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <L4SdnbLJSrnR5gPM...@giganews.com>,

but of course he will insist they are fraudulent documents

[Sylvia]

In article <qthup85i9utvpfbsr...@4ax.com>,

> Do your own research, Sylvia. The Nuremberg documents are all copies
> of a copy of a copy. This is well known.

Well-known to who? Evidence please...

[Sylvia]

In article <27iup8habrli5s7ok...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

>> I did. The Reichenau order.

> That wasn't a fact. That was your "ex cathedra" proclamation. I
> haven't seen the original German

So find it. That can't be too hard.

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <knnm3u$eis$1...@pcls6.std.com>,

Sylvia <Sylvia@i-hate-spam@com.org> wrote:

> In article <qthup85i9utvpfbsr...@4ax.com>, Johannes v
> Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:
>
> >>> The alleged original documents are not generally available.
> >>> Virtually all the Nuremberg documents, for example, are copies
> >>> of the translations of the original. The originals, if they ever
> >>> existed, have been conveniently lost.
>
> >> Really? Say, you don't happen to have concrete examples to prove
> >> your assertion, do you?
>
> > Do your own research, Sylvia.

why should she do research to back up your bombastic assertion, it's
your responsibility to support your own arguments, not ours

> > The Nuremberg documents are all copies of a copy of a copy. This is
> > well known.
>
> Well-known to who? Evidence please...

he is rather eloquent in the way he dances himself into corners, isn't
he

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <27iup8habrli5s7ok...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> That wasn't a fact. That was your "ex cathedra" proclamation.

Like yours that it is a fraudulent document?

> I
> haven't seen the original German nor have I seen the context of the
> comments.

yet you feel competent to comment on them

> All I have is your claim that this was said. Lots of
> "quotations" were later shown to be fraudulent.
>
> Babble by some official, or another, does not constitute official
> policy.

whereas babble by you does?

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <g471q81dl9d14bpob...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> So show me a document that isn't a copy. There are probably SOME
> original documents, but most are not.

why would she prove your absurd lies?

[Sylvia]

In article <g471q81dl9d14bpob...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> So show me a document that isn't a copy.

http://www.seligman.org.il/kraslava_holocaust.html
"The Jaeger Report
Click to see images of the infamous Jaeger Report detailing
the murder of Lithuania's and part of Latvia's Jews."

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Himmler_report.jpg

There are more, obviously.

[Sylvia]

In article <h771q89sl2eunpuf1...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> I'm not that interested in the babblings of Reichenau,

Oh. You know, you could have stated this in the beginning,
and avoid wasting our time...

[george152]

On 25/05/13 23:24, Johannes v Ebersdorf wrote:
> On Fri, 24 May 2013 12:23:26 +0000 (UTC), Sylvia
> <Sylvia@i-hate-spam@com.org> wrote:
>

> So show me a document that isn't a copy. There are probably SOME
> original documents, but most are not.
>

Bad Arolsen has the originals. Millions of them

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <knr44k$f3j$1...@pcls6.std.com>,

when has he not wasted anyones time?

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <knr3oq$qql$1...@pcls6.std.com>,

wait for it, wait for it, here it comes "it's an obvious fraud"

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <5qo3q8dkqi6b00np7...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> On Sat, 25 May 2013 19:34:50 +0000 (UTC), Sylvia
> <Sylvia@i-hate-spam@com.org> wrote:
>
> >In article <g471q81dl9d14bpob...@4ax.com>,
> >Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:
> >
> >> So show me a document that isn't a copy.
> >
> >http://www.seligman.org.il/kraslava_holocaust.html
> >"The Jaeger Report
> >Click to see images of the infamous Jaeger Report detailing
> >the murder of Lithuania's and part of Latvia's Jews."
>

> It isn't on ministry paper. It doesn't look like any German government
> document that I've ever seen, and I've seen a few.
>
> >
> >http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Himmler_report.jpg
>
> The word "exekutiert" is really suspicious. I've never seen it used in
> any German books that I've read, and again I've read quite a few. The
> proper term is "hingerichtet". This document smells as if it is of
> U.S. origin, thus explaining the stilted and awkward German.
>
> >
> >There are more, obviously.

amazing: you have the basis of a best selling re-writing of history with
all your proof, that would make you millions, yet you are satisfied with
just letting the purveyors and destroyers of history to prevail...that
actually makes you more of a parasite than we thought


>
> They are all manufactured in either British or American propaganda
> mills. There are literally thousands of forgeries and sheer
> fabrications afloat from this period. Nothing that has ever been in
> allied hands is trustworthy any longer.
>
> Everything that the allies have done during my lifetime has been based
> on lies, deceptions, and fables from the Korean War through to Iraq
> and Afghanistan and to the pending aggression against Iran. It is
> irrational to think that these same bastards were uncharacteristically
> truthful before my lifetime. Even the Spanish-American war was based
> on lies, spin, and outright fabrication on the part of the Americans,
> as were two invasions of Canada by these same pompous sanctimonious
> preachy swine.
>
>
>
>
> >

[David]

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote in
news:5qo3q8dkqi6b00np7...@4ax.com:

Even the Spanish-American war was based
> on lies, spin, and outright fabrication on the part of the Americans,
> as were two invasions of Canada by these same pompous sanctimonious
> preachy swine.

Definitely the "Ricketts" playing up again !

Must have moved from his back to the pimple on his shoulders that passes
for a head.

[Sylvia]

In article <5qo3q8dkqi6b00np7...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

>> http://www.seligman.org.il/kraslava_holocaust.html
>> "The Jaeger Report
>> Click to see images of the infamous Jaeger Report detailing
>> the murder of Lithuania's and part of Latvia's Jews."

> It isn't on ministry paper. It doesn't look like any German
> government document that I've ever seen, and I've seen a few.

It's a report from the Einsatzgruppen.

>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Himmler_report.jpg

> The word "exekutiert" is really suspicious.

Really? Google found numerous places in which it appears. Here's one:

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/fall-akmal-shaikh-brite-in-china-exekutiert-a-669350.html

>> There are more, obviously.

> They are all manufactured in either British or American
> propaganda mills.

You're just saying this because you have nothing. No evidence
to support your wild assertions. Zilch.

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <knvu1b$s31$1...@pcls6.std.com>,

ebe's mantra is "bombast uber truth"

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <ei59q8p33bik12s97...@4ax.com>,

Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 May 2013 15:27:39 +0000 (UTC), Sylvia
> <Sylvia@i-hate-spam@com.org> wrote:
>
> >In article <5qo3q8dkqi6b00np7...@4ax.com>,
> >Johannes v Ebersdorf <J...@xxx.yyy> wrote:
> >
> >>> http://www.seligman.org.il/kraslava_holocaust.html
> >>> "The Jaeger Report
> >>> Click to see images of the infamous Jaeger Report detailing
> >>> the murder of Lithuania's and part of Latvia's Jews."
> >
> >> It isn't on ministry paper. It doesn't look like any German
> >> government document that I've ever seen, and I've seen a few.
> >
> >It's a report from the Einsatzgruppen.
>

> So you say.

but according to you, it isn't...who are we to believe without your
formal proof

>
> >
> >>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Himmler_report.jpg
> >
> >> The word "exekutiert" is really suspicious.
> >
> >Really? Google found numerous places in which it appears. Here's one:
> >

> >http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/fall-akmal-shaikh-brite-in-china-exekut
> >iert-a-669350.html
> >
> >>> There are more, obviously.
>

> It's very stilted archaic usage not commonly used during the time
> under consideration.

"not commonly used" means that in fact it was sometimes used. your
bombast isn't working


Spiegel is known for tossing around Americanisms
> in its writing, but what may go in Spiegel does not usually go in
> official government documents, as you claim this one was.

"does not usually go in official documents" means that in fact,
sometimes was used. more poor bombast on your part


>
> The bled-out letters and generally fuzzy look of the document
> practically shouts "thermal copy". The document has been in American
> hands, so assume forgery or fabrication until absolutely proven
> otherwise.
>

"practically shouts 'thermal copy'" in fact means you accept the
possibility that your bombast is once again so much hot air

> >
> >> They are all manufactured in either British or American
> >> propaganda mills.
> >
> >You're just saying this because you have nothing. No evidence
> >to support your wild assertions. Zilch.
>

> So far, all you have come up with is the same old tired and
> discredited anti-German crap from a show trial held almost seventy
> years ago.

You're just saying this because you have nothing. No evidence to support
your wild assertions. Zilch.


>

> The fact is that everything of which they accuse Germans, the allies
> did themselves and in much greater measure.

So far, all you have come up with is the same old tired and discredited
anti-Allied crap from a show trial held almost seventy years ago, a show
trial that didn't convict everyone tried and didn't execute all of those
it did convict...some show trial