Freddy Leuchter, "engineer"
Ron Jacobson
"engineering" qualifications. Source: pages 9196-9198 of the
transcript in Zundel's trial.
Q: Now, Mr. Leuchter, Mr. Christie, when he was reviewing your
qualifications, said that, if my note is correct, you graduated
from university in a field that entitles you to function as an
engineer and you responded in the affirmative to that question?
A: Yes. I have a Bachelor of Arts degree.
Q: You graduated with a Bachelor of Arts degree?
A: Right.
Q: When?
A: You mean what year?
Q: What year?
A: 1964.
Q: 1964. And that's the only University degree you have?
A: That's correct.
Q: You don't have a Bachelor of Science degree?
A: No.
Q: You don't have a Master of Science degree; you don't have a
Ph.D in science?
A: Correct.
Q: You don't have a degree in engineering?
A: That's correct.
Q: Do you belong to any supervising disciplinary professional body?
A: I don't understand the question, counselor.
Q: Well, do you belong to a governing body of engineers?
A: I -- governing body? I do not understand. Are you saying do I
belong to any scientific societies?
Q: No, is there any body of engineers that supervises you and
disciplines you in your engineering function?
A: No.
</quote>
RJ.
Ben Cramer
reiterative, dishonest and deceptively out of context quotes seems to be his
lot of late.
You need help ronnie. Do you have blue care?
Topaz
engineering nit picking was brought to court due to Jewish pressure.
This means it had nothing to do with any job applications or anything
like that. It had to do with Leuchter saying he was an engineer in
private conversation and some papers. He might have said he was an
engineer in the Leuchter report, I don't totally recall.
It is as ridiculous as it sounds that he was taken to court over
it. And this was shortly after making the Leuchter report. The
situation is easy to understand by people in the know. It is simply
that America is ruled by the Jews.
He was charged with falsely claiming to be an engineer. The fact
is that he was an engineer because he did engineering work, he didn't
have a peice of paper to prove it but neither did Henry Ford.
Leuchter also did not do business with the general public but only
with prisons. The charge against him was a technicality that was only
brought to court because of the Jews. Everyone knew this at the time.
Jews and other leftists were outside the courtroom holding signs
saying Leuchter was a Nazi and things like that. Leuchter's supporters
were also there with signs. Many of his supporters wore black armbands
that said "Free Speech".
He made some kind of deal in court saying he wouldn't call
himself a engineer anymore and the case ended. Everyone knew the real
reason he was brought to court-- because he made the Leuchter Report.
He also lost all his work in the prisons for telling the truth
about the alleged "gas chambers". Jews like to brag about how many
historians and other people believe in their holohoax. They don't tell
you what happens to people who don't believe. In Germany they are sent
to prison. In America they lose their jobs.
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
Kenneth McVay OBC
Topaz <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Leuchter didn't do any business in Massachessets where the
>engineering nit picking was brought to court due to Jewish pressure.
Leuchter's primary business was extortion. That may be why Mr. Vangel adores him so, as
he adores convicted felon David Duke, who solicited money from really dumb racists like
Alex Vangel, then spent it to feed his gambling addiction.
http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter
David "I'm not REALLY a nazi!" Duke, commenting on his indictment
today for federal mail fraud and filing a false tax return, said
"That's the last time Grosvenor does my tax return!"
Duke the Thief: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/davidduke1.html
(Mr. Vangel forgot to mention that he thinks murder is a dandy way to
deal with "problem" children.)
Here is a quote from Alex Vangel:
"I said I agreed with the Bible because it is against the
homosexual perverts, the feminists, and the Jews. This is
what it says about delinquents:
"Deuteronomy 21:18-21
"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will
not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother,
and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto
them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him,
and bring him out unto the elders of the city, and unto the
gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his
city, This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not
obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the
men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die:
so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel
shall hear, and fear." (UseNet alt.revisionism. Subject:
"Re: More crap from the VangelBot," 31 Jan. 2001. Message-ID:
3c589...@spamkiller.newsgroups.com)
Note that this quote from Mr. Vangel says nothing about
"homosexual perverts, the feminists, and the Jews," as he
suggested. Yet he cites it to justify the murder of children
whose only crime was that of being found "unruly" by Adolf
Hitler's murdering thugs.
For information about Mr. Vangel's hate group, see
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/christian-identity
--
"All shit like you have is lies and smears. Shit like you
can't refute what I post so shit like you resort to cheap
personal attacks and you wonder why kike filth is hated so much!
(Scott Bradbury, Bellville's leading revisionist scholar)
Ben Cramer
"Kenneth McVay OBC" <kmc...@shell.vex.net> wrote in message
news:12ctjfu...@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <jjbtc25h4so547d3g...@4ax.com>,
> Topaz <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Leuchter didn't do any business in Massachessets where the
>>engineering nit picking was brought to court due to Jewish pressure.
>
> Leuchter's primary business was extortion.
How very pridictable of you, faigelah. And how dishonest. You are one of the
greatest extortionists alive in this world today.
Kurt Knoll
http://www.soundofegypt.com/palestinian/adult/massacres.htm
kk
"Topaz" <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jjbtc25h4so547d3g...@4ax.com...
Jason James
Claiming to be an engineer without the certification, is analogous to
claiming you are a doctor without the prerequisite medical training. It's
that serious. As well, it says a lot about the person's arrogant nature.
Jason
Kurt Knoll
in the steam plant call themselves steam engineers who give a dam. Leuchter
did work on execution equipment and for some people he is an expert for
others he is not. The one thing we all have to understand is no matter how
long someone works in a specific field an no matter how many years
experience someone has Jew will discredit that person if he or she is in
their way.
Kurt Knoll.
"Jason James" <ho...@work.1.0> wrote in message
news:44cf...@news.comindico.com.au...
Topaz
>Claiming to be an engineer without the certification, is analogous to
>claiming you are a doctor without the prerequisite medical training. It's
>that serious. As well, it says a lot about the person's arrogant nature.
>
Of course a Jew would say that. But if he looked for work anyone
would look at his resume to find out whatever they wanted to know.
And it is obvious that he is an engineer, of course the Jews and their
minions say they don't understand.
Joe Bruno
Topaz wrote:
> Leuchter didn't do any business in Massachessets where the
> engineering nit picking was brought to court due to Jewish pressure.
> This means it had nothing to do with any job applications or anything
> like that. It had to do with Leuchter saying he was an engineer in
> private conversation and some papers. He might have said he was an
> engineer in the Leuchter report, I don't totally recall.
>
> It is as ridiculous as it sounds that he was taken to court over
> it. And this was shortly after making the Leuchter report. The
> situation is easy to understand by people in the know. It is simply
> that America is ruled by the Jews.
>
> He was charged with falsely claiming to be an engineer. The fact
> is that he was an engineer because he did engineering work, he didn't
> have a peice of paper to prove it but neither did Henry Ford.
Henry Ford never claimed to be an engineer.
If he was an engineer, why did he agree to the State's insistence that
he stop calling himself an engineer. He didn't present the defense you
do.
>
> Leuchter also did not do business with the general public but only
> with prisons. The charge against him was a technicality that was only
> brought to court because of the Jews. Everyone knew this at the time.
> Jews and other leftists were outside the courtroom holding signs
> saying Leuchter was a Nazi and things like that. Leuchter's supporters
> were also there with signs.
Many of his supporters wore black armbands
> that said "Free Speech".
What has that got to do with engineering?
>
> He made some kind of deal in court saying he wouldn't call
> himself a engineer anymore and the case ended.
He's lucky he didn't go to prison. Charging people for services under
false pretenses is fraud.
Everyone knew the real
> reason he was brought to court-- because he made the Leuchter Report.
Everyone?
> He also lost all his work in the prisons for telling the truth
> about the alleged "gas chambers". Jews like to brag about how many
> historians and other people believe in their holohoax. They don't tell
> you what happens to people who don't believe. In Germany they are sent
> to prison.
In America they lose their jobs.
Who has lost his job?
Arthur Butz didn't lose his.
Ben Cramer
"Joe Bruno" <br...@indystart.com> wrote in message
news:1154487880.3...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Except the yids.
Topaz
>
>Henry Ford never claimed to be an engineer.
You made that up out of the blue no doubt, as your kind always does.
>
>If he was an engineer, why did he agree to the State's insistence that
>he stop calling himself an engineer.
Jews
> He didn't present the defense you
>do.
You Jews make up anything you want out of the blue.
>
>What has that got to do with engineering?
This harrassament came right after making the Leuchter Report. What
do you think this is about? Are you such a Jew that you have to
pretend not to understand?
>
>He's lucky he didn't go to prison. Charging people for services under
>false pretenses is fraud.
Being a Jew should be reason to be deported from any decent country.
He didn't do business with the general public and anyone who hired
him could easily look at his credentials.
>
> Everyone knew the real
>> reason he was brought to court-- because he made the Leuchter Report.
>
>
>Everyone?
Everyone. Though you Jews pretend not to get it.
>
>In America they lose their jobs.
>
>
>Who has lost his job?
There is no point in talking to you because you are a Jew. Of
course Mel recanted for fear of the Jews.
Chris C. Larson
Of course none of you revisionists like to discuss the fact that
Freddy's compensation was dependent on a report that supported
revisionism. If not- he did not get paid. Most of Freddy's report was
written before he even stepped on the plane. Jew & Christian hating
floozies like Mr. Vangel don't like this reality being posted.
Topaz
<larsonc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Of course none of you revisionists like to discuss the fact that
>Freddy's compensation was dependent on a report that supported
>revisionism. If not- he did not get paid. Most of Freddy's report was
>written before he even stepped on the plane. Jew & Christian hating
>floozies like Mr. Vangel don't like this reality being posted.
Jews are liars and your post one of the lies. Here is proof that
Jews lie:
Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that the Jews tell big lies. The
Jewish media took his words out of context and claimed that Hitler was
in favor of big lies. This was in itself a big lie and proof that
Hitler was right. Here is what Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf and in
context:
"But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity
for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute
responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had
shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the
catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that
hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for
the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took
away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous
enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the
Fatherland to justice. All this was inspired by the principle--which
is quite true in itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain
force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always
more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature
than consciously or voluntarily, and thus in the primitive simplicity
of their minds they are more readily fall victims to the big lie than
the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little
matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It
would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and
they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort
truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so
may be brought clearly to their minds, they still doubt and waver and
will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For
the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it
has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in
this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These
people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest
purposes.
"From time immemorial, however, the Jews have known better than
any others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited. Is not their
very existence founded on one great lie, namely, that they are a
religious community, whereas in reality they are a race? And what a
race! One of the greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has
branded the Jews for all time with a statement which is profoundly and
exactly true. He (Schopenhauer) called the Jew 'The Great Master of
Lies'. Those who do not realize the truth of that statement, or do not
wish to believe it, will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth
to prevail."
Chris C. Larson
stay on topic- and stop the cut and paste (you're a classic
revisionist- lazy and dull)
Back to topic- why not admit that Freddy is a fraud? Is that all you
guys have?
Topaz
<larsonc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Freddy is not a fraud. Actually, it is Jews who are a race of liars,
and they control the media.
It's easy to prove that the media is a pack of liars. If they were not
liars they would tell people that Hitler believed that the Jews
controlled the media. Why don't they? Here are some quotes from Mein
Kampf:
"The man who is not opposed and vilified and slandered in the Jewish
Press is not a staunch German and not a true National Socialist. The
best rule whereby the sincerity of his convictions, his character and
strength of will, can be measured is by the hostility which his name
arouses among the mortal enemies of our people.
"The followers of the movement, and indeed the whole nation, must be
reminded again and again of the fact that, through the medium of his
newspapers, the Jew is always spreading falsehood and that if he tells
the truth on some occasions it is only for the purpose of masking some
greater deceit, which turns the apparent truth into a deliberate
falsehood. The Jew is the Great Master of Lies. Falsehood and
duplicity are the weapons with which he fights.
"Every calumny and falsehood published by the Jews are tokens of honor
which can be worn by our comrades. He whom they decry most is nearest
to our hearts and he whom they mortally hate is our best friend.
"If a comrade of ours opens a Jewish newspaper in the morning and does
not find himself vilified there, then he has spent yesterday to no
account. For if he had achieved something he would be persecuted,
slandered, derided and abused. Those who effectively combat this
mortal enemy of our people, who is at the same time the enemy of all
Aryan peoples and all culture, can only expect to arouse opposition on
the part of this race and become the object of its slanderous attacks.
"When these truths become part of the flesh and blood, as it were, of
our members, then the movement will be impregnable and invincible."
" Then I began to examine my favorite 'World Press', with that fact
before my mind. "The deeper my soundings went the lesser grew my
respect for that Press which I formerly admired. Its style became
still more repellant and I was forced to reject its ideas as entirely
shallow and superficial. To claim that in the presentation of facts
and views its attitude was impartial seemed to me to contain more
falsehood than truth. The writers were- Jews.
"Thousands of details that I had scarcely noticed before seemed to me
now to deserve attention. I began to grasp and understand things which
I had formerly looked at in a different light."
"Thus another weapon beside that of freemasonry would have to be
secured. This was the Press. The Jew exercised all his skill and
tenacity in getting hold of it. By means of the Press he began
gradually to control public life in its entirety."
Sara Salzman
Topaz <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 5 Aug 2006 06:10:45 -0700, "Chris C. Larson"
> <larsonc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >stay on topic- and stop the cut and paste (you're a classic
> >revisionist- lazy and dull)
> >
> >Back to topic- why not admit that Freddy is a fraud? Is that all you
> >guys have?
>
> Freddy is not a fraud. Actually, it is Jews who are a race of liars,
> and they control the media.
Poor Alex. The only way he can justify his own insignificance and
failures as a human being is to blame "the Jews."
Sara
--
In democracy it's your vote that counts; In feudalism it's your count
that votes.
- Mogens Jallberg
Richard Mileski
>
>
> Back to topic- why not admit that Freddy is a fraud? Is that all you
> guys have?
Why is Leuchter a fraud?
Is it because he took some samples from the walls of morgue 1, Krema II
and had them analyzed by Alpha Analytic Laboratories in Massachusetts?
Or is it because the results by Alpha indicated, that the samples only
contained hardly detectable traces of HCN?
Or is it because Leuchter has to be labelled because you don't like the
results from Alpha Analytic Laboratories?
Are Alpha's results upseting you?
Ben Cramer
"Richard Mileski" <miles...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1154820514.6...@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The yids attack everyone who criticises them and points out their lies and
bullshit. Look at the current brouhaha with Mel Gibson for perfect evidence
of that.
>
Allan Matthews
@gmail.com says...
[nothing worthwhile, as usual]
Oh, look, the Cramer crap flood is underway... someone must have given
Australia its daily enema.
allan
--
=========================================
"Illinois Nazis. I hate Illinois Nazis."
=========================================
http://www.allan.matthews.name
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Richard Mileski wrote
in message
<1154820514.6...@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
>Chris C. Larson wrote:
>> Back to topic- why not admit that Freddy is a fraud? Is that all you
>> guys have?
>Why is Leuchter a fraud?
Because he didn't have the expertise he claimed.
Because he designed a fatally flawed "investigation."
Because he didn't know even the most basic qualities of the substance
he was supposed to be looking for traces of.
Shall I go no?
>Is it because he took some samples from the walls of morgue 1, Krema II
>and had them analyzed by Alpha Analytic Laboratories in Massachusetts?
No, it was because he gouged out randomly sized chunks, didn't bother
to mark which side was "out,", and then didn't tell the lab they were
to look for exposure instead on contamination.
>Or is it because the results by Alpha indicated, that the samples only
>contained hardly detectable traces of HCN?
But they *did* -- after having been randomly diluted twice, nearly
half of the sample were positive (on an arbitrarily high scale.)
>Or is it because Leuchter has to be labelled because you don't like the
>results from Alpha Analytic Laboratories?
>Are Alpha's results upseting you?
They upset leuchter enough that he had to lie about those results.
Or do you agree that 16 out of thirty can be characterized as "almost
all?"
Chris C. Larson
Of course none of you revisionists like to discuss the fact that
Freddy's compensation was dependent on a report that supported
revisionism. If not- he did not get paid. Most of Freddy's report was
written before he even stepped on the plane. Jew & Christian hating
floozies like Mr. Vangel don't like this reality being posted. I
imagine that this does not make your day either.
Ben Cramer
"Allan Matthews" <allan_m...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:75idnXdZA73JpUjZ...@giganews.com...
> In article <eb3c9c$2c8b$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>, [remove]bencramer7
> @gmail.com says...
> [nothing worthwhile, as usual]
>
> Oh, look, the Cramer crap flood is underway... someone must have given
> Australia its daily enema.
My work is nearly done, old feller.
Someone's gotta point out yid lies.
Ben Cramer
"Chris C. Larson" <larsonc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154825255....@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Richard Mileski wrote:
>> Chris C. Larson wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Back to topic- why not admit that Freddy is a fraud? Is that all you
>> > guys have?
>>
>> Why is Leuchter a fraud?
>> Is it because he took some samples from the walls of morgue 1, Krema II
>> and had them analyzed by Alpha Analytic Laboratories in Massachusetts?
>> Or is it because the results by Alpha indicated, that the samples only
>> contained hardly detectable traces of HCN?
>> Or is it because Leuchter has to be labelled because you don't like the
>> results from Alpha Analytic Laboratories?
>> Are Alpha's results upseting you?
>
> Of course none of you revisionists like to discuss the fact that
> Freddy's compensation was dependent on a report that supported
> revisionism. If not- he did not get paid.
Is that a fact? I guess you can support your specious nonsense.
Richard Mileski
>
>
> Of course none of you revisionists either
What do you mean with "none of you revisionists"? I am not revising
anything.
Please indicate where I am revising?
All I want to know is why you insult Leuchter by calling the man a
fraud?
>
> like to discuss the fact that
> Freddy's compensation was dependent on a report that supported
> revisionism. If not- he did not get paid.
>
Nonsense!
Leuchter:
[quote]I also stated that although the photos and documents seemed to
support the view that these places were, indeed, not execution
facilities, I would reserve final judgment until after my examination
and, if I determined that these facilities were, in fact, or could have
been, execution gas chambers, I would state this in my report.[/quote]
Source: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p133_Leuchter.html
>
> Most of Freddy's report was
> written before he even stepped on the plane.
>
That is not what Leuchter wrote in his report.
Can you back your statement up?
Sara Salzman
"Richard Mileski" <miles...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Chris C. Larson wrote:
> >
> >
> > Of course none of you revisionists either
>
> What do you mean with "none of you revisionists"? I am not revising
> anything.
> Please indicate where I am revising?
> All I want to know is why you insult Leuchter by calling the man a
> fraud?
> >
I believe he is referred to as a fraud because he called himself an
"engineer," although he had no training in engineering. He testified to
a court of law that he was an engineer, and had been educated as an
engineer, but he was lying.
People who claim to be something they are not, are usually called
"frauds."
Hope that helps.
Sara
Here's part of the agreement signed by Leuchter:
The Board of Registration of Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
(the "Board") and Fred A. Leuchter, Jr., do hereby stipulate and agree
to the following:
I, Fred A. Leuchter, Jr., do hereby state:
1. that I am not and never have been registered as a professional
engineer with "the Board" pursuant to M.G.L. C. 112, a. 81D-T;
2. that while in Massachusetts and while unregistered as a professional
engineer, I have:
a. represented myself as an engineer able to consult in areas of
engineering concerning execution technology; moreover, I formed a
corporation which one of the purposes was to consult in all areas of
engineering;
b. represented myself as Chief Engineer of Fred A. Leuchter Associates,
Inc., a Massachusetts Corporation, in letters to Massachusetts
businesses and Federal and State departments and agencies, including
Alpha Analytical Laboratories, Ace Surgical Inc., Massachusetts Division
of Food and Drug, and the Federal Drug Enforcement Agency;
c. represented myself as Chief Engineer in letters and proposals I sent
to correctional institutions in other states, including, but not limited
to, New Jersey and Alabama;
d. represented myself as Chief Engineer and have rendered engineering
opinions in letters and affidavits which I have submitted for filing in
state and federal courts outside of Massachusetts; and
e. produced reports, specifically but not limited to, "An Engineering
Report on the Alleged Execution Gas Chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau, and
Majdanek", containing my engineering opinions. which I have submitted to
other individuals and which were subsequently published.
I, Fred A. Leuchter, Jr., agree to immediately cease and desist from the
following, while I am in Massachusetts and remain unregistered pursuant
to G.L. c. 112, a. 81D-T:
1. using in any manner whatsoever the title "engineer",
2. Offering to practice engineering by verbal claim, sign,
advertisement, letterhead, card, or in any other way represent myself to
be an engineer, or in any other way offer to practice engineering as
defined in G.L. c 112 while in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
3. Practicing engineering as defined in G. L. c. 112. s 81D-T while in
the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
4. Issuing or distributing any reports where I hold myself out as an
engineer or alternatively, provide engineering specifically but not
limited to "An Engineering Report on the Alleged Execution Gas Chambers
at Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Majdanek."
http://www.holocaust-history.org/leuchter-consent-agreement/scans.shtml
is a scan of the original document.
> > like to discuss the fact that
> > Freddy's compensation was dependent on a report that supported
> > revisionism. If not- he did not get paid.
> >
> Nonsense!
> Leuchter:
> [quote]I also stated that although the photos and documents seemed to
> support the view that these places were, indeed, not execution
> facilities, I would reserve final judgment until after my examination
> and, if I determined that these facilities were, in fact, or could have
> been, execution gas chambers, I would state this in my report.[/quote]
> Source: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p133_Leuchter.html
> >
> > Most of Freddy's report was
> > written before he even stepped on the plane.
> >
> That is not what Leuchter wrote in his report.
> Can you back your statement up?
> >
> > Jew & Christian hating
> > floozies like Mr. Vangel don't like this reality being posted. I
> > imagine that this does not make your day either.
--
Ben Cramer
"Sara Salzman" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:catamont-DC080B...@news.giganews.com...
> In article <1154834644....@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "Richard Mileski" <miles...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Chris C. Larson wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Of course none of you revisionists either
>>
>> What do you mean with "none of you revisionists"? I am not revising
>> anything.
>> Please indicate where I am revising?
>> All I want to know is why you insult Leuchter by calling the man a
>> fraud?
>> >
>
> I believe he is referred to as a fraud because he called himself an
> "engineer," although he had no training in engineering. He testified to
> a court of law that he was an engineer, and had been educated as an
> engineer, but he was lying.
>
> People who claim to be something they are not, are usually called
> "frauds."
Yep. Like you claiming statements you use as your sig are those of your
father's.
You're a disgusting pid, salzman. You would stoop to any level to push the
yid agenda.
Ron Jacobson
Richard Mileski <miles...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why is Leuchter a fraud?
Because he stated that he's an engineer, while he only
holds a BA.
> Is it because he took some samples from the walls of morgue 1, Krema II
> and had them analyzed by Alpha Analytic Laboratories in Massachusetts?
> Or is it because the results by Alpha indicated, that the samples only
> contained hardly detectable traces of HCN?
(yaaawn)
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
RJ.
Ron Jacobson
Richard Mileski <miles...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(snip)
Don't forget this, Mileski.
"It, however, may be a joke." -- Holocaust denier Fred
Leuchter, struggling to explain a March 2 1943 work report which
mentions a gas chamber in an Auschwitz crematorium. Source:
item 8.033, http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres2/rapport4e.pdf.
RJ.
Ben Cramer
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
news:eb4cvs$22d$1...@pcls4.std.com...
> In article <1154820514.6...@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> Richard Mileski <miles...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Why is Leuchter a fraud?
>
> Because he stated that he's an engineer, while he only
> holds a BA.
Some of your holocaust "experts" hold bugger all but BAs, you silly little
man. What qualifications does van Pelt have to make him an historian, for
example?
And let's not forget the arsehole who runs nizkor, Oy Vey McFey (which site
you cite frequently). He's got nothing. A puller of petrol (among other
things) is his claim to fame.
You're a silly, insignificant little toss, ronnie. All wrapped up in lies,
deceit, contextually inaccurate quotes, exaggeration.
Even when your lies are pointed out, you continue to post them.
Such a sad case you are ronnie. Sad and pathetic.
>
>> Is it because he took some samples from the walls of morgue 1, Krema II
>> and had them analyzed by Alpha Analytic Laboratories in Massachusetts?
>> Or is it because the results by Alpha indicated, that the samples only
>> contained hardly detectable traces of HCN?
>
> (yaaawn
And the little chemist who analysed the samples, suggested that had he known
where the samples were from, he would have come up with different test
results. Such an honest lot aren't you.
And you wonder why you're referred to as stinky cunts.
Ron Jacobson
Ben Cramer <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
> news:eb4cvs$22d$1...@pcls4.std.com...
>>> Why is Leuchter a fraud?
>> Because he stated that he's an engineer, while he only
>> holds a BA.
> Some of your holocaust "experts" hold bugger all but BAs,
They don't lie about their qualifications. Leuchter did.
The poor retard claimed that a foreman was "joking"
when he reported working on a gas chamber in an Auschwitz
crematorium. These are your "experts", Benjie.
> And let's not forget the arsehole who runs nizkor, Oy Vey McFey (which site
> you cite frequently). He's got nothing. A puller of petrol (among other
> things) is his claim to fame.
I have no idea if this is true, but anyway, he didn't
lie about his qualifications. Leuchter did.
And what about you, Benjie? An unemployable, doped-out
nazi freak? Not much to write home about, is it?
> You're a silly, insignificant little toss, ronnie.
Do calm down, Benjie. Soon, your little brother will arrive
with the new shipment, and everything will be fine.
"my younger Brother got me absolutely stoned on magic mushrooms.
I spent three days sitting in the corner of the tent waiting to come
down." -- Ben Cramer, Message-ID
<1125123267.5e5d281ad88798917af26011bcb01dc0@teranews>
There you go. That's a good lad.
>> (yaaawn
Why did you remove this, Benjie?
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
> And the little chemist who analysed the samples, suggested that had he known
> where the samples were from, he would have come up with different test
> results.
Is that so, Benjie? Can you quote his words in full?
RJ.
Ben Cramer
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
> In article <eb4gl7$2mfl$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>,
> Ben Cramer <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
>> news:eb4cvs$22d$1...@pcls4.std.com...
>
>>>> Why is Leuchter a fraud?
>
>>> Because he stated that he's an engineer, while he only
>>> holds a BA.
>
>> Some of your holocaust "experts" hold bugger all but BAs,
>
> They don't lie about their qualifications. Leuchter did.
Yes they do. Van Pelt (reference to whom you've dishonestly snipped, I might
add) claims to be an historian.
>
> The poor retard claimed that a foreman was "joking"
> when he reported working on a gas chamber in an Auschwitz
> crematorium. These are your "experts", Benjie.
>
>> And let's not forget the arsehole who runs nizkor, Oy Vey McFey (which
>> site
>> you cite frequently). He's got nothing. A puller of petrol (among other
>> things) is his claim to fame.
>
> I have no idea if this is true, but anyway, he didn't
> lie about his qualifications. Leuchter did.
It is true, and he puts himself up as an historian, and never corrects those
who refer to him as such.
>
> And what about you, Benjie? An unemployable, doped-out
> nazi freak? Not much to write home about, is it?
That's right, ronnie. You believe what you will. It's perfectly evident in
everything you post.
>
>> You're a silly, insignificant little toss, ronnie.
>
> Do calm down, Benjie. Soon, your little brother will arrive
> with the new shipment, and everything will be fine.
Why don't you post the rest of this message ronnie. The part where I stated
it was not a pleasant experience, and not at al voluntary. Why don't you do
that, ronnie?
>
> "my younger Brother got me absolutely stoned on magic mushrooms.
> I spent three days sitting in the corner of the tent waiting to come
> down." -- Ben Cramer, Message-ID
> <1125123267.5e5d281ad88798917af26011bcb01dc0@teranews>
>
> There you go. That's a good lad.
>
>>> (yaaawn
>
> Why did you remove this, Benjie?
Why did you remove the reference I made to van Pelt, ronnie? Why do you only
ever post those parts of messages which suit you, and not the entire
message, which frequently, when taken in conext, puts an entirely different
light on the meaning of the message. Why do you do that, ronnie?
>
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
>
>> And the little chemist who analysed the samples, suggested that had he
>> known
>> where the samples were from, he would have come up with different test
>> results.
>
> Is that so, Benjie? Can you quote his words in full?
Yes. I've still got the video of the interview he gave. How about that.
Sara Salzman
"Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
> news:eb4hj3$plc$1...@pcls4.std.com...
> > In article <eb4gl7$2mfl$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>,
> > Ben Cramer <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
> >> news:eb4cvs$22d$1...@pcls4.std.com...
> >
> >>>> Why is Leuchter a fraud?
> >
> >>> Because he stated that he's an engineer, while he only
> >>> holds a BA.
> >
> >> Some of your holocaust "experts" hold bugger all but BAs,
> >
> > They don't lie about their qualifications. Leuchter did.
>
> Yes they do. Van Pelt (reference to whom you've dishonestly snipped, I might
> add) claims to be an historian.
>
No, van Pelt IS an historian. And he has a little more than a BA:
Robert Jan van Pelt is Professor of Cultural History in the Architecture
School at the University of Waterloo in Canada. He received his
Doctorate (D.Lit.) in 1984 from the University of Leiden in the
Netherlands and his Doctorandus Litterarum (Drs.Lit) in 1979 also from
the University of Leiden, in the History of Art. There he teaches
courses on the history of urbanism, on collective memory and the design
and preservation of cultural sites. Since September 2002 he has been the
Associate Director - Graduate Affairs - in Architecture. Professor van
Pelt's area of expertise lies in a painstaking study of the physical
details of Auschwitz and the culture that existed during the war. His
books, The Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp (1994), Auschwitz: 1270
to the Present (1996), and The Case for Auschwitz (2002), meticulously
analyzes how Auschwitz was built, brick by brick and who the men were
who made decisions that had terrible consequences for millions of people.
http://www.pbs.org/auschwitz/about/advisors.html
Now, tell us about Leuchter.
--
Ben Cramer
van Pelt is not an historian. He's a fraud.
Richard Mileski
>
> (snip)
>
> Don't forget this, Mileski.
>
> "It, however, may be a joke." -- Holocaust denier Fred
> Leuchter, struggling to explain a March 2 1943 work report which
> mentions a gas chamber in an Auschwitz crematorium. Source:
> item 8.033, http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres2/rapport4e.pdf.
>
> RJ.
You left out that Leuchter also said in the same source to which you
referred to, item 8.033:
[quote]"In the absence of other documentation it means nothing and
will remain an enigma."[/quote]
Can you provide any other documentation for Krema IV, like construction
drawings, which were certainly also used by the Riegel construction
forman for his job, where an area within Krema IV is designated as
'gas chamber"?
Ron Jacobson
Ben Cramer <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
> news:eb4hj3$plc$1...@pcls4.std.com...
>> In article <eb4gl7$2mfl$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>,
>> Ben Cramer <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Some of your holocaust "experts" hold bugger all but BAs,
>> They don't lie about their qualifications. Leuchter did.
> Yes they do. Van Pelt (reference to whom you've dishonestly
> snipped, I might add) claims to be an historian.
Cite his exact words, and the exact titles he holds.
>> The poor retard [Leuchter] claimed that a foreman was "joking"
>> when he reported working on a gas chamber in an Auschwitz
>> crematorium. These are your "experts", Benjie.
No comment, Benjie?
>>> And let's not forget the arsehole who runs nizkor, Oy Vey McFey
>>> (which site you cite frequently). He's got nothing. A puller of
>>> petrol (among other things) is his claim to fame.
>> I have no idea if this is true, but anyway, he didn't
>> lie about his qualifications. Leuchter did.
> It is true
So you say. But you're a professional liar.
> and he puts himself up as an historian,
Where did he claim to be a historian? Citation, please.
There is only one "revisionist" who has had any reputation
whatsoever as a historian -- David Irving. And guess what? The
old fool happily admitted that he barely knows anything about
the Holocaust. You've seen his words to that effect. You see
Benjie, when I make a claim, I back it up with hard quotes,
in this case Irving's own words in the trial he initiated
(and lost) against Penguin and professor Lipstadt.
>> And what about you, Benjie? An unemployable, doped-out
>> nazi freak? Not much to write home about, is it?
> That's right, ronnie. You believe what you will. It's perfectly
> evident in everything you post.
Go ahead, prove me wrong. Post the evidence that you're
employed.
> Why don't you post the rest of this message ronnie. The part where
> I stated it was not a pleasant experience
And yet you reported "shitty experiences with hallucinogenics".
Not one experience. And you reported using other drugs as well.
> and not at al voluntary. Why don't you do that, ronnie?
Because it's a fucking joke. Someone "tricked" you into
taking magic mushrooms? And then he did it again?? Give us
a break, Benjie.
>>> And the little chemist who analysed the samples, suggested that had he
>>> known where the samples were from, he would have come up with different
>>> test results.
>> Is that so, Benjie? Can you quote his words in full?
> Yes. I've still got the video of the interview he gave. How about that.
So post the text, Benjie.
RJ.
Chris C. Larson
Yes, it is a fact.
Richard Mileski
>>
> > Why is Leuchter a fraud?
>
> Because he stated that he's an engineer, while he only
> holds a BA.
>
The title "engineer" is not protected in the US and the use of the
engineering title would not make Leuchter a fraud.
There are many engineers working within the US industry without a
formal engineering education or the engineering registration.
RM
.
Ron Jacobson
Richard Mileski <miles...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ron Jacobson wrote:
>> Don't forget this, Mileski.
>>
>> "It, however, may be a joke." -- Holocaust denier Fred
>> Leuchter, struggling to explain a March 2 1943 work report which
>> mentions a gas chamber in an Auschwitz crematorium. Source:
>> item 8.033, http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres2/rapport4e.pdf.
> You left out that Leuchter also said in the same source to which you
> referred to, item 8.033:
> [quote]"In the absence of other documentation it means nothing and
> will remain an enigma."[/quote]
He suggested it was a "joke" by the foreman.
Tell me just how desperate -- and stupid -- one must be,
in order to suggest something like that. "Hey, Hans! Let's
write 'gas chamber' in the construction documents!" -- "Ja,
Fritz, you're killing me! Such a funny lad you are!".
> Can you provide any other documentation for Krema IV, like construction
> drawings, which were certainly also used by the Riegel construction
> forman for his job, where an area within Krema IV is designated as
> 'gas chamber"?
The work report specifically refers to a gas chamber in the
crematorium. There are other documents which mention gas-tight
shutters, and there is the chemical analysis which proves that
cyanide gas was used in the crematorium.
RJ.
Ron Jacobson
Richard Mileski <miles...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The title "engineer" is not protected in the US and the use of the
> engineering title would not make Leuchter a fraud.
But Leuchter HIMSELF justified his "engineer" title as follows.
Do pay attention to the article you're replying to:
<quote>
Q: Now, Mr. Leuchter, Mr. Christie, when he was reviewing your
qualifications, said that, if my note is correct, you graduated
from university in a field that entitles you to function as an
engineer and you responded in the affirmative to that question?
A: Yes. I have a Bachelor of Arts degree.
Q: You graduated with a Bachelor of Arts degree?
A: Right.
Q: When?
A: You mean what year?
Q: What year?
A: 1964.
Q: 1964. And that's the only University degree you have?
A: That's correct.
Q: You don't have a Bachelor of Science degree?
A: No.
Q: You don't have a Master of Science degree; you don't have a
Ph.D in science?
A: Correct.
Q: You don't have a degree in engineering?
A: That's correct.
Q: Do you belong to any supervising disciplinary professional body?
A: I don't understand the question, counselor.
Q: Well, do you belong to a governing body of engineers?
A: I -- governing body? I do not understand. Are you saying do I
belong to any scientific societies?
Q: No, is there any body of engineers that supervises you and
disciplines you in your engineering function?
A: No.
</quote>
RJ.
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Richard Mileski wrote
in message
>Ron Jacobson wrote:
>> (snip)
>>
>> Don't forget this, Mileski.
>>
>> "It, however, may be a joke." -- Holocaust denier Fred
>> Leuchter, struggling to explain a March 2 1943 work report which
>> mentions a gas chamber in an Auschwitz crematorium. Source:
>> item 8.033, http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres2/rapport4e.pdf.
>You left out that Leuchter also said in the same source to which you
>referred to, item 8.033:
>[quote]"In the absence of other documentation it means nothing and
>will remain an enigma."[/quote]
Which merely shows leuchter's ignorance and agenda, since there *is*
other documentation which clarifies the matter.
>Can you provide any other documentation for Krema IV, like construction
>drawings, which were certainly also used by the Riegel construction
>forman for his job, where an area within Krema IV is designated as
>'gas chamber"?
Where else would a gas-tight door be required?
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Richard Mileski wrote
in message
>Ron Jacobson wrote:
>> > Why is Leuchter a fraud?
>> Because he stated that he's an engineer, while he only
>> holds a BA.
>The title "engineer" is not protected in the US and the use of the
>engineering title would not make Leuchter a fraud.
But not in the state of Massachusetts, which is where leuchter was
attempting to fraudulently use it.
>There are many engineers working within the US industry without a
>formal engineering education or the engineering registration.
When are you going to get around to addressing my comments in response
to your questions of why leuchter is considered a fraud?
Sara Salzman
The extent of Cramer's credibility. "Because! I! Say! So!"
van Pelt has a Doctorate in Art History. He has a Doctorate in
Literature. He is the Associate Director of graduate studies in
Architecture at the University of Waterloo.
To Cramer, that's a fraud.
Leuchter has a Bachelor of Arts. But that, apparently, makes him an
engineer.
Cramer says, "Some of your holocaust "experts" hold bugger all but BAs,"
and yet when his lie is pointed out, he continues to insist he is
correct.
Oh, here's a few more of those "experts" who hold "bugger all but BAs."
Professor Kershaw is widely regarded as one of the world's leading
experts on Hitler and the Third Reich. His endeavours in this field have
brought him many accolades - he is a fellow of the British Academy and
the Royal Historical Society, and he has been knighted by Queen
Elizabeth II for services to history. Ian Kershaw was educated at
Liverpool and Oxford Universities, and his original historical interest
was Medieval English history. It was this subject that he taught when he
joined Manchester University when he took up his first job in 1968.
However, on visiting Germany in 1972, he developed a fascination for
social history of the Nazi era. This led him to change to lecturing in
modern history at Manchester University, and then to work at the Ruhr
University in Bochum, West Germany, as Visiting Professor of Modern
History.
Between 1987 and 1989 he was Professor of Modern History at the
University of Nottingham, then joined the University of Sheffield where
he has been Professor of modern history ever since. Ian Kershaw is best
known for his hugely important and influential work on Hitler. He wrote,
amongst other works, The Nazi Dictatorship: Problems and Perspectives of
Interpretation (4th edition, 2000), The Hitler Myth, (which was
published in both English and German and Hitler: A Profile in Power (new
revised edition 2001). But most famous of all his works is probably the
two-part biography of Hitler that was published in 1998 and 2000 under
the titles Hubris and Nemesis.
David Cesarani is Professor of Twentieth-Century Jewish History and
Culture at the University of Southampton. Professor Cesarani held the
prestigious position of Director of the Institute of Contemporary
History at the Wiener Library between 1989 and 2000. The Wiener Library,
founded in 1933 in Amsterdam is the oldest institution in the world
devoted to Holocaust study. In 1939, it was moved to London. The Library
is devoted to providing materials for the study of 20th century Germany
and the Third Reich, the Holocaust, anti-Semitism, racism and fascism,
Zionism and the Middle East and modern Jewish history.
Christopher Browning is Professor of History at the University of North
Carolina, Chapel Hill. He attended Oberlin College as an undergraduate
and received his Ph.D. in 1975 from the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
Professor Browning has spent all of his professional life in studying,
researching, writing about and teaching the history of the Holocaust. He
has received many awards and honors for his work and is recognized
around the world as a pre-eminent scholar in this field.
Deborah Lipstadt received her B.A. from City College of New York and her
M.A. and Ph.D. from Brandeis University.
Richard J. Evans was born in London in 1947. From 1989 to 1998 he was
Professor of History at Birkbeck College, University of London. Since
1998 he has been Professor of Modern History at Cambridge University. He
is a Fellow of the British Academy.
In 1994 he was awarded the Hamburg Medal for Art and Science for
cultural services to the city. His books include The Feminist Movement
in Germany 18941933, Death in Hamburg (winner of the Wolfson Literary
Award for History), In Hitler零 Shadow, Rituals of Retribution (winner
of the Fraenkel Prize in Contemporary History), In Defence of History
(which has so far been translated into eight languages) and Telling Lies
about Hitler.
"bugger all" indeed.
Ron Jacobson
Ben Cramer <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
(about Ken McVay)
> It is true, and he puts himself up as an historian,
"I'm not a historian" -- Ken McVay,
Message-ID: <7v7dhb$q7g$1...@hub.org>#1/1.
"I am not a historian, but an archiver, you see." --
Ken McVay, Message-ID: <1993Sep18.1...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>.
Benjie, Benjie. What do you have to say for yourself, liar?
Let me guess. Something involving "yids"?
You miserable old fool.
RJ.
Kurt Knoll
the pulp mile her the call them self's stem engineers. What is it you are
trying to proof. As for leuchter is would say you people will try every
dirty trick in the book to discredit someone. Certainly I would say this is
part of your Jewish genes
Kurt Knoll.
"Sara Salzman" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:catamont-DC080B...@news.giganews.com...
Topaz
James Thurgood on characteristically one-sided democracy
"Reading the Jewish Chronicle (JC) is always instructive. Obtaining my
copy in my local newsagents is slightly embarrassing: people of 'the
faith' are numerous in my neighbourhood and when I step up to the
counter to pay there are often one or two of them queuing for the same
purpose. As they observe what I am buying, and then examine my person,
I can just imagine them muttering to themselves: "He doesn't look like
one of us!" One gentleman with a rather rabbinical appearance once
made so bold as to ask, with doubt in his eyes: "Are you Jewish?" I
replied negatively, of course. It then occurred to me to add,
mischievously: "I just believe in keeping an eye on them."
I could see the man's face crease into a frown, so thinking "In for a
penny, in for a pound," I went on to say: "You know, this is where you
get a lot of the real news - the sort you don't read in the ordinary
press."
I recalled that remark last month when wondering how the fraternity in
question were going to react to the rise of Jeorg Haider in Austria.
Actually,... Haider has been making a number of apologies lately - for
instance for daring once to say something complimentary about Hitler's
employment policies. Well, what's wrong with that?... the fact is that
he did put 6 million jobless Germans back to work in very quick time.
I believe anyway that politicians are almost always wrong to
apologise, and Herr Haider did not go up in my estimation on that
account.
But of course, it is always the perception of what a politician is,
rather than the reality, that determines attitudes towards him. Haider
is perceived, rightly or wrongly, as some kind of neo-nazi monster.
Hence my curiosity.
The way Haider's success was greeted in the Jewish Chronicle was of
great interest to me - but more because of what it told me about the
writers in that paper and their attitudes than what was said about
Haider himself.
The JC was in a not-unaccustomed dilemma. The paper, of course, stands
for the loftiest principles of 'democracy'. But has not Haider risen
to his present powerful position in Austrian politics by the
democratic vote of the people? You see the problem!
The JC leader (4th February) spoke first about the very rapid manner
in which the other member states of the European Union reached
agreement as to what their response was to be to the prospect of the
Haider party having places in the Austrian Government. "They served
notice," it said, "that any role for Mr. Haider's party would prompt
them drastically to downgrade ties with Austria. This would, among
other things, involve shelving bilateral exchanges with the Austrians,
curtailing political contacts with Austrian envoys in EU states, and
refusing to back Austrian candidates for posts in international
organisations."
To which the ordinary rational person would no doubt react by saying:
"So what?" It is doubtful that great numbers of Austrians will be
applying at their chemist's shops for additional sleeping tablets on
those accounts. But we should read a little further.
Generally approving this Europe-wide reaction, the JC also admitted
its snags, acknowledging that it might make Mr. Haider yet more
popular at home. Yet, the leader continued:-
"This does not mean the outside world should abruptly change course,
abandon its position of principle and take a softly-softly approach.
It does mean that the underlying principle must be patiently, publicly
and articulately explained. The aim - it must be made clear - is not
to seek to exclude Austria and its people from the EU or the world
family of nations, nor to question the right of voters to choose who
governs them. It is to define bedrock tenets with which the world
community hopes to build a 21st century on lessons learned from the
bigotry and murder that too often marked the 20th. To the extent
Austria chooses to include in its government a party rooted in an
opposing vision of both the past and the future, to continue business
as usual would be illogical, and immoral."
Sting in the tail
You have to be something of a JC-watcher - which I might extend by
saying a watcher of the entire liberal, New World Order-oriented press
- to see the not immediately clear message here. It lies in the last
two lines, and the operative word is 'business'. This, I suspect,
means much more than just business in the diplomatic sphere -
cross-border contacts, appointments to international offices, etc. It
looks very much as if it could mean actual trade and commerce. Is the
Jewish Chronicle leader giving the first hints of a planned economic
boycott?
To get a clue as to the answer to that question, we might turn to an
article on Page 31 of the same issue by John Diamond, who was much
more explicit.
Mr. Diamond, of course, believes too in the democratic freedoms -
well, almost but not quite. There is, you see, democracy and
democracy; it all depends for whom. He is, he begins by saying, "...a
fully paid-up member of the freedom-of-speech brigade." He continues:
"I spent my formative political years telling anyone who would listen
that it was Voltaire who cracked the one about disagreeing with what
you say but defending to the death your right to say it."
But, he goes on...
"...then along comes little Austria, a paid-up member of the European
Union, and announces that its equivalent of the Conservative Party is
in an uncomfortable colloquy with its ultra-right-wing Freedom Party,
with the result that any day now the erstwhile annexe to the
Fatherland might once again have N***s in government. OK: they're not
National Socialists in the scientific sense, perhaps, but when you
have a party which talks about Aryans, immigrants and bloodied soil in
the way some in the Freedom Party do, it's hardly worth splitting
hairs."
By now, Mr. Diamond is clearly anticipating some people disagreeing
with his drift. He has prepared for that; he has an answer:-
"But hold on, say the other side: what about democracy? If Jeorg
Haider's chums go into the government or even, God forbid, run the
government, it will be as a result of the democratic will of the
Austrian people. Equally, Austria was elected into the EU by what
passes for democracy in that institution. We can't just kick them out
because we don't like the people they elect to power."
Now Mr. Diamond is really in full flow, and the reader can almost
predict what's coming next. He does not disappoint:-
"It's perceived to be the same argument that we liberals use when we
say that, much as we despise the British National Party, we regard its
right to erect websites, hold bring-and-buy coffee mornings and
publish maniacal brochures about how the Jews control the world as
inviolable. But it's not the same argument at all."
Why isn't it? - the reader will naturally begin to ask. But that
reader obviously is not aware that people like Mr. Diamond make the
rules in these matters - or at least that is their presumption.
Homosexuals, even paedophiles, may use the net. So may the spokesmen
for the IRA and other terrorist groups; you will not find the John
Diamonds objecting to this. All sorts of organisations, in addition to
this, may publish tracts claiming that such-and-such control the
world: Catholics, freemasons, Jehovah's Witnesses and little green men
from Mars. No problem! That's the freedom that Voltaire talked about,
and Mr. Diamond stoutly defends it. As he said, he's a fully paid-up
member of the freedom-of-speech brigade.
But when it comes to saying critical things about Mr. Diamond's own
people, that's different. You see the point?
'Dealing' with those Austrians
All this is building up to the most important thing that Mr. Diamond
wants to say. He has obviously been wrestling in his mind with the
question of how to say it, because he is aware of its contradictions.
He believes in democracy, as we have seen; but on the other hand some
democracy, for some people, just can't be allowed. So what are we to
do about Austria and Haider? Mr. Diamond has the answer:-
"...within the non-bellicose bounds of international diplomacy, we
have a limited armoury with which to deal with a party led by a
professed admirer of some of Hitler's policies. We have no right to
stop Haider saying such things, but we can say, in effect to Austria:-
" 'Elect whatever government you choose - that's your prerogative.
But, equally, it's our prerogative to stop trading with you, going to
your ski-runs, sending you our ambassadors or generally treating you
like civilised people. It's your loss, and the practical loss will be
greater than whatever gain you perceive there to be in sending a few
Turkish or East European immigrants home. Come back when you've
decided to stop being silly.'
"This is the way to deal with the nastier by-products of free speech.
It shouldn't, for instance, be necessary to pass laws to stop
right-wing fanatics from saying that evil Jews are taking over the
world. Simply make sure publishers know that, if they want to sell
such nonsense to true believers, they'll have problems selling other
books to the rest of us. Don't like a fascist website? There are
plenty of suppliers of Net facilities to the fascists who would lose
out if the rest of us stopped using their services."
Here, spelled out in as frank terms as we could wish for, is Mr.
Diamond's idea of how 'democracy' should work. It will be noted that
nowhere does he suggest that the arguments of people he thinks are
wrong should be countered in open and honest debate and proved, by
superior argument, to be fallacious. That, to most of us, is what
democracy has meant across the ages. But to Mr. Diamond? Oh no! In the
eyes of him and his ilk, it means something entirely different.
To him and his ilk, democracy means the right to suppress the views of
people you don't like by threats and intimidation - mainly economic
intimidation. Boycott their industries for a start! In Austria a big
industry is tourism. Very well, let's not visit their ski-slopes.
Where does this lead us? Shall we refuse to buy recordings made by the
Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra? Shall we refuse even to listen to
Mozart, Haydn, Schubert or Strauss? After all, Mr. Diamond has
suggested that we should not treat the Austrians - out of whose ranks
have come these immortal geniuses - like "civilised people."
And extending the issue beyond Austria, it is clear that Mr. Diamond
believes that Internet suppliers who hire facilities to those of whose
politics he disapproves should simply be closed down - not by an act
of law (that would be too blatant) - but by ruining them by boycott.
Booksellers and publishers? Same treatment! Make sure hardly anyone
buys their books and they'll fold up. Business is business!
This then seems to be the ideal of democracy believed in by Mr.
Diamond - and many like him. Perhaps it's all part of the "bedrock
tenets with which the world community hopes to build the 21st
century." We cannot say we haven't been told!"
Spearhead Online
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
Topaz
appeared in THE BARNES REVIEW, jAN/fEB 2002.
By Fred Leuchter
With the reinstitution of capital punishment in the United
States, the ancient execution equipment in place at the
state prisons had to be used. None of it had worked properly
in the first place, and, being old and dysfunctional, it
could not be expected to work properly in the future.
Because my father had worked so long in the Massachusetts
prison system (more than 40 years) and because I was an
engineer, I was asked to investigate the Massachusetts
electric chair and determine what needed be done to make it
functional.
Because I was familiar with the Massachusetts system I was
asked by more and more states to help them rebuild and
repair their execution equipment to enable them to conduct a
competent execution and not torture the executees. By 1990 I
was on a first name basis with every warden in the country
and was consulting in all states with a capital punishment
requirement.
I invented the lethal injection machine, built improved
electric chairs, designed and built gallows and designed gas
chambers. I had written the established protocol for all
four modes of execution and was the only federal court
certified expert in execution technology and electrocution
technology. ABC News, in a profile televised on Prime Time
Live, dubbed me "Dr. Death." I routinely testified in court
on defective equipment and botched executions.
[Revisionist] Dr. Robert Faurisson contacted me in 1988 on
the referral of the U.S. prison system on behalf of Ernst
Zundel, who was facing trial in Canada on a freedom of
speech issue regarding the alleged existence and operation
of gas chambers for mass human executions by the German
government during World War II. I was to [asked] appear as
an expert witness in the court at Toronto. I accepted.
In my capacity as expert witness, I was briefed with all
manner of Holocaust literature and sent to Poland to
investigate the alleged gas chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau
and Majdanek. I, with the aid of my draftsman, film crew and
forensic samples taken [from the European gas chambers] and
analyzed in the United States, testified in court and
presented a document now known as The Leuchter Report. This
testimony and report, accepted as evidence in the Canadian
court, forever disproved the existence of gas chambers at
the investigated locations. I appeared onErnst Zundel's
behalf for two reasons: his right of free speech, and his
right to present an adequate defense. Those two reasons are
still important now.
For this, I was vilified and attacked both verbally and
physically by various Jewish organizations including the
Anti?Defamation League [of B'nai B'rith] and the Marsfeld
Foundation [notorious "Nazi?hunters"?Ed.]. I was prosecuted
for practicing as an engineer without a license, a charge
which was later dropped by order of the court. Three
court?appointed lawyers withdrew because of death threats. I
was represented by Kirk Lyons, from Texas, alone, the one
and only time a "foreign" attorney was allowed to practice,
without co?counsel, in the commonwealth of Massachusetts.
Despite lies circulated by the Anti?Defamation League, I was
not "on probation," and the only constraint required by the
judge (and she noted to my lawyer it was not really a
constraint) was that I should not say I was licensed. I had
never made such a claim, and no license is, or was, ever
required in any state.
I was followed by Mossad agents, threatened constantly and
had my house firebombed. Police from all over the state had
to come to protect my family and me. Because of threats to
prison wardens and state officials, and Jewish legislators
threatening to pass illegal "laws" to prevent my working for
states, my business was totally destroyed. I, for the most
part, became an unemployable pariah.
I was asked the following year [1989] to appear as an expert
in a German court in Munich, again for Zundel, which I did.
I was ruled competent to appear the following year [1990],
something which the pro?Holocaust zealots [desired to]
prevent. It would be unthinkable that competent expert
testimony should ever be given in a German court destroying
the Holocaust myth. Earlier that same year [1989], the
German minister of science had ruled that The Leuchter
Report was a scientific document. It was legal to discuss
the report. I spoke a number of times while in Germany that
year, most notably at Weinheim, where I was translated by
Giinter Deckert, to a group of academicians.
Later that year, and unbeknownst to me, the enlightened
German minister of science, who had classified The Leuchter
Report as a scientific document, had been removed by the
pro?Holocaust zealots, and, because I spoke about the
report, a decision was made to arrest me. This can be done
since, under the Napoleonic code [which applies in Germany],
a law can be applied retroactively. Now they had to get me
to [come] to Germany.
Meanwhile, I went to England to speak at a history club
meeting at the request of David Irving. I was taken into
custody while on stage and speaking by the chief inspector
[from] the Chelsea police station, without [a] warrant, at
the behest of the pro?Holocaust zealots. I was imprisoned
with all manner of common criminals that evening and was
questioned by two officers of her majesty's Immigration
Service from 2:00 A.M. to 6:00 A.M., looking for some excuse
to deport me. At 8:00 A.M. I was met by another officer of
her majesty's Immigration Service, who was concerned that
British law was being violated by my detention. He made it
clear that I did not matter, but the law did.
I was told that I was to be deported first to France, then
Belgium and finally Germany. This would all take several
weeks. If I demanded to be sent home to the United States,
however, this bureaucrat would do so, in compliance with the
law. I had demanded so the prior evening, on tape, and since
the other officers were not abiding by the law, he would. I
repeated my demand to go home, and I was returned to New
York City at her majesty's expense. I was officially persona
non grata in the United Kingdom, as is inscribed on my
passport.
Several months later I was asked to appear on a live German
television show in Munich. I qualified the appearance to
deal only with the electric chair and executions in the
United States, since I had been advised that my report was
no longer a scientific document, and such discussion [was
therefore] banned. I was not aware of the retroactive
application provision of the Napoleonic code. I flew to
Munich with my wife and, while at the television station
awaiting broadcast, I was seized by officers of the Mannheim
Police. I had been set up. I inquired about the existence of
a warrant and was told none existed. I responded that I
would not go to Mannheim and was told that I would be taken
by force. And so I was. The television show host begged the
police to allow me to go on the show first. But they
refused. (I was about to air the entire illegal procedure,
live.)
I was spirited across Germany in the dead of night,
photographed and fingerprinted. I was permitted to see my
lawyer for 10 minutes before I saw the judge. Due process
being nonexistent in Germany, [the judge] committed me to
the "bastille" without delay. I remained in Mannheim Prison
in solitary confinement for six weeks. Prison officials,
because of the lax security, were afraid that someone would
kill me; and thus I was not permitted out of my cell. I
endured several searches and was permitted to possess a
"spear" I made from an old mop. I had only two showers the
entire time I was there. I remained locked in through one
riot and many early?morning threats outside my door.
My attorney was finally able to secure a bail hearing after
six weeks. I was taken in handcuff's to the court and
brought before a panel of three judges, who, after hearing
my attorney's pleas, denied bail. The lead judge ordered me
handcuffed and returned to prison. I made a remark to my
lawyer about this "kangaroo court," which the lead judge did
not like. He asked me directly what my objections were, and
I gave him my complaints. They agreed to consider bail,
retired to deliberate, and returned granting bail.
I was taken to their chambers and given coffee while we
awaited the posting of [a] bond. I agreed to return in
several months for trial. If convicted, I faced eight years.
I was [officially] freed and was [temporarily] returned to
the prison to get my things and, subsequently, placed on a
Lufthansa plane to the United States. I was afraid the court
might change its mind and turn the plane around. It turned
out my fears were not unjustified.
I planned to return to face trial. A week prior to my court
appearance, I was called by an attorney, who shall remain
nameless, who represented an inmate in Mannheim, who shall
also remain nameless, with a message from his client, to
whom I shall be forever grateful. I was told that the day
following my release the prosecutor returned [from vacation]
too late to prevent my "escape." He had enough power to
replace the three judges who [had] granted my bail, revoke
my bail and issue a fugitive warrant for my immediate
arrest, all without advising my attorney. I was further told
that if I returned to Mannheim I would immediately be
returned to Mannheim Prison, where I would be murdered.
I discussed the matter with my attorney, who said that it
could not be true [he believed he would have been told by
the German officials of these developments]. I decided not
to return and asked my attorney to advise the court of my
decision, and why.
My attorney appeared at court, and, before he could advise
the court that I would not be appearing, all I had told him
was confirmed. The bail was returned. No explanation was
given [as] to the court's failure to advise him earlier.
In the meanwhile, I had [again] been threatened with death
if I returned, and my family and friends had also been
similarly threatened. At that point, I determined that it
would be best if I lowered my profile. I dropped out of
sight.
The end result of all this was the breakup of my marriage,
the destruction of my personal life and the loss of my
business. In addition, I was "unemployable."
I accepted a job in California. I lived there for several
years and that's where I met Terri, my present wife. I
cannot discuss for whom I am working and what I am doing for
fear that there will be reprisals. The project that I am
working on, being almost completed, permitted me to accept a
kind invitation to renew many old acquaintances and attend
this conference.
Lastly, I would like to mention the movie Mr. Death. Errol
Morris, the producer, had started the movie some seven years
earlier but put the project on a back burner. He managed to
find me two years ago and wanted to begin the film again.
The film story was to be told similarly to President [John
F.] Kennedy's Profiles an Courage: my investigations in
Poland and my subsequent destruction by Jewish
organizations. His first cut of the film did precisely that.
[Morris] chose to call me "Mr. Death" instead of "Dr. Death"
to avoid confusion with Dr. [Jack] Kevorkian, who had been
given the same name as me. All his films contain only one
person and [narrative from both] the subject and the
producer. [His first cut
of the film] was shown at Harvard University in Cambridge.
The viewers came away from the screening believing that
there were no gas chambers used by the Germans during World
War II.
Subsequently, Morris's arm was twisted by various Jewish
elements, resulting in a new second half to the film?with
the same Jewish troublemakers, who had caused me so much
grief in the past, spewing out their foul lies. Even the
chemist who analyzed the Auschwitz samples, and determined
them to be cyanide free, now was lying as well, causing one
to ask if he perjured himself in court. Further, attempts
were made to try to make me look foolish. The end result was
a film that failed to earn [Morris] his expected Oscar,
failed to be accepted and shown by the contracting
television company and which finally had to be sold for
distribution through Blockbuster.
Topaz
constant
attacks are having unforeseen results. In order to attack Leuchter,
the holocaust crowd are compelled to disclose some of the details of
the myth of Auschwitz; they have to state facts. And facts are
anathema to holocaust lore.
For example, independent film-maker Errol Morris made one of those
documentaries on Fred Leuchter, fully intending to ridicule Leuchter's
opinion on the lack of gas chambers at Auschwitz, and depicting
Leuchter as pathetic and misguided. Morris was astonished when he
screened a rough cut at Harvard University. "[W]hen the film was over,
there were people in the room who wondered whether the Holocaust had
really happened." Morris quickly edited the film, but his attempt was
futile. Those pesky facts just keep jumping to the forefront.
In their desperate attempts to avoid, or at least dilute, the facts,
Leuchter's opponents invariably shoot themselves in the foot. Leuchter
probably didn't intend it, but having a Jewish chemist test the
samples
from Auschwitz was a brilliant decision. In trying to backstroke out
of the embarrassing position of being Jewish and having to confirm the
facts supporting Leuchter, forensic Chemist Jim Roth surprisingly
announced his "scientific findings" would have different if he knew
source of fragments was Auschwitz. Some scientist that Roth fellow
is--such integrity.
But Roth is typical of holocaust "scientists." The favorite
"scientist"
of the holocaust crowd is Robert Jan Van Pelt. While the holocaust
hucksters are constantly harping on Leuchter's lack of academic
credentials in science, they gush over the opinion of Van Pelt, who
listed his credentials as, "a Doctorate in the History of Ideas, the
Dutch equivalent of a Master's degree in the History of Architecture,
and the Dutch equivalent of a Bachelor's degree in Classical
Archeology
and the History of Art." How's that for scientific credentials?
As if to underline the hypocrisy of the entire holocaust industry,
art-historian Van Pelt's "scientific" pronouncements are peppered with
religious references. For example, he lamented that Leuchter's trip
to Auschwitz was "sacrilegious." Leuchter was someone "who walks into
the
holy of holies and doesn't give a damn." Van Pelt describes how
"every day pilgrims to the crematoria recite memorial prayers and
leave
behind lighted candles and tiny wooden tablets inscribed with the
names
of Holocaust victims." And to top that, in a so-called expert opinion
offered in a court of law, Van Pelt avowed, "I do declare my loyalty
with the victims of Auschwitz and against their murderers." In an
ordinary court of law, such slanted and openly biased opinions would
be
excluded. But not in trial concerning the holocaust.
And that is the truly sad phenomena of the holocaust myth: it corrupts
everything and everyone it touches. We expect the holocaust hustlers
to lie. We expect the unscrupulous, the unprincipled, the people like
Roth and Van Pelt to twist, deliberately distort, and to openly lie,
but when a supposedly impartial sitting judge not only permits, but
condones and accepts such admittedly biased and questionable opinion
over scientific evidence, then the entire legal system crumbles. When
a professional scientist like Roth publicly admits that his scientific
test results will depend who who wants to know, and the scientific
community does not speak out and condemn, then the integrity of the
scientific community becomes questionable. If what is formally
accepted
as judicial or scientific fact depends on who makes the claim, or is
influenced by fear, social or economic pressure, or popular demand,
then all of society suffers. That alone is sufficient reason to
expose
the holocaust for the monstrous lie that it is."
Morghus
Topaz
engineering nit picking was brought to court due to Jewish pressure.
This means it had nothing to do with any job applications or anything
like that. It had to do with Leuchter saying he was an engineer in
private conversation and some papers. He might have said he was an
engineer in the Leuchter report, I don't totally recall.
It is as ridiculous as it sounds that he was taken to court over
it. And this was shortly after making the Leuchter report. The
situation is easy to understand by people in the know. It is simply
that America is ruled by the Jews.
He was charged with falsely claiming to be an engineer. The fact
is that he was an engineer because he did engineering work, he didn't
have a peice of paper to prove it but neither did Henry Ford.
Leuchter also did not do business with the general public but only
with prisons. The charge against him was a technicality that was only
brought to court because of the Jews. Everyone knew this at the time.
Jews and other leftists were outside the courtroom holding signs
saying Leuchter was a Nazi and things like that. Leuchter's supporters
were also there with signs. Many of his supporters wore black armbands
that said "Free Speech".
He made some kind of deal in court saying he wouldn't call
himself a engineer anymore and the case ended. Everyone knew the real
reason he was brought to court-- because he made the Leuchter Report.
He also lost all his work in the prisons for telling the truth
about the alleged "gas chambers". Jews like to brag about how many
historians and other people believe in their holohoax. They don't tell
you what happens to people who don't believe. In Germany they are sent
to prison. In America they lose their jobs.
Topaz
Jacobson) wrote:
>
> Because he stated that he's an engineer, while he only
>holds a BA.
Leuchter didn't do any business in Massachessets where the
>> Is it because he took some samples from the walls of morgue 1, Krema II
>> and had them analyzed by Alpha Analytic Laboratories in Massachusetts?
>> Or is it because the results by Alpha indicated, that the samples only
>> contained hardly detectable traces of HCN?
>
> (yaaawn)
Topaz
>
>But not in the state of Massachusetts, which is where leuchter was
>attempting to fraudulently use it.
>
Not so. He lived there but he did no work there. It is a liberal
state with no death penalty.
Kurt Knoll
whatever Leuchter said. Well certainly for Jews this a way of life.
Kurt Knoll.
"Topaz" <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Kurt Knoll
Kurt Knoll.
"Topaz" <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Sara Salzman
Topaz <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Then why did he promise "not to do it again"?
Sara Salzman
Topaz <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 09:32:44 +0000 (UTC), rj...@TheWorld.com (Ron
> Jacobson) wrote:
>
> >
> > Because he stated that he's an engineer, while he only
> >holds a BA.
>
> Leuchter didn't do any business in Massachessets where the
> engineering nit picking was brought to court due to Jewish pressure.
> This means it had nothing to do with any job applications or anything
> like that. It had to do with Leuchter saying he was an engineer in
> private conversation and some papers. He might have said he was an
> engineer in the Leuchter report, I don't totally recall.
Ah, but you DO recall that he said he was an engineer in a court of law?
>
> It is as ridiculous as it sounds that he was taken to court over
> it.
Doesn't sound ridiculous at all. Leuchter committed perjury, and was
taken to court over it. Leuchter was engaging in fraudulent business
practices.
> And this was shortly after making the Leuchter report. The
> situation is easy to understand by people in the know. It is simply
> that America is ruled by the Jews.
If that's really true, why haven't we offed you yet, Alex?
Sara
Richard Mileski
>
>
> I believe he is referred to as a fraud because he called himself an
> "engineer," although he had no training in engineering. He testified to
> a court of law that he was an engineer, and had been educated as an
> engineer, but he was lying.
>
> People who claim to be something they are not, are usually called
> "frauds."
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Sara
>
>
The holocaust crowd was quite unhappy about the results of Leuchters
research and decided to take the man out.
In "Is there life after persecution? The botched execution of Fred
Leuchter" http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p429_Leuchter.html
>
Leuchter described in detail how his life, his living, his business,
his career, was destroyed by the Jews:
>
[quote]» Since April 1988, when I testified in the second Zündel
trial in Toronto about my inspection of the alleged gas chambers in
Poland, my life has been turned upside down.
Behind this campaign to punish me and suppress the truth about the gas
chambers, have been several Jewish organizations, which have publicly
vowed to silence me by destroying my ability to make a living.
At the forefront of this effort has been Beate Klarsfeld of the
Paris-based Klarsfeld Foundation. In the United States, the campaign
has been orchestrated through the US-based "Holocaust Survivors and
Friends in Pursuit of Justice." Associated with these two organizations
have been the Anti-Defamation League of the B'nai B'rith and the Jewish
Defense League.«[/quote]
I like Leuchter's report. True, he is not an academic writer. He
comes across more like a down to earth bolt and nut man, a practical
technician.
I learned a lot about the operation of US execution gas chambers from
his report: how the HCN gas was produced, how it was instantly released
(not like Zyklon-B, which degasses over a time period of 2 to 3 hours),
the gas density was 3000 ppm to ensure a speedy death within 10 to 15
minutes, the victim was strapped down and his heart beat was monitored
until death could be certified, that the gas chamber was operated
under negative pressure in order to avoid the gas leaking out though an
acidental hole, the neutralizing of the body and the walls after the
execution with some chemical (not water) before the body could be
handled, etc.).
RM
Kurt Knoll
I am sure he knows what he is talking about. The aim of the holocaust
industries is to discredit or destroy anyone they think is their way And
they do have the connection and the power to do so. On the other hand I
would say they do not have any character or shame.
Kurt Knoll.
"Richard Mileski" <miles...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Kurt Knoll
> In article <jppcd216sa3ujllt9...@4ax.com>,
> Topaz <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:34:36 GMT, Roger <roger@.> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >But not in the state of Massachusetts, which is where leuchter was
>> >attempting to fraudulently use it.
>> >
>> Not so. He lived there but he did no work there. It is a liberal
>> state with no death penalty.
>>
>> http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
>> http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
>
> Then why did he promise "not to do it again"?
Becaus he did not have any other choice tell us how can anyone stand up
against that keind of jewish pressure
kk
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Richard Mileski wrote
in message
>The holocaust crowd was quite unhappy about the results of Leuchters
>research and decided to take the man out.
No, we're quite happy to point out the flaws in that research.
Is there a reason *you'd* rather not talk about them?
>In "Is there life after persecution? The botched execution of Fred
>Leuchter" http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p429_Leuchter.html
>
>
>Leuchter described in detail how his life, his living, his business,
>his career, was destroyed by the Jews:
You mean, having his shake down scheme and basic dishonesty pointed
out in public wasn't enough?
>[quote]» Since April 1988, when I testified in the second Zündel
>trial in Toronto about my inspection of the alleged gas chambers in
>Poland, my life has been turned upside down.
>Behind this campaign to punish me and suppress the truth about the gas
>chambers, have been several Jewish organizations, which have publicly
>vowed to silence me by destroying my ability to make a living.
... not that freddy nor you can actually *document* this...
>At the forefront of this effort has been Beate Klarsfeld of the
>Paris-based Klarsfeld Foundation. In the United States, the campaign
>has been orchestrated through the US-based "Holocaust Survivors and
>Friends in Pursuit of Justice." Associated with these two organizations
>have been the Anti-Defamation League of the B'nai B'rith and the Jewish
>Defense League.«[/quote]
And where are the citations to the "public avowal?"
>I like Leuchter's report.
... because?
>True, he is not an academic writer. He
>comes across more like a down to earth bolt and nut man, a practical
>technician.
No, he came across as a charlatan and a fraud.
>I learned a lot about the operation of US execution gas chambers from
>his report:
None of which is applicable to the Nazi gas chambers.
>how the HCN gas was produced, how it was instantly released
>(not like Zyklon-B, which degasses over a time period of 2 to 3 hours),
To what concentration?
>the gas density was 3000 ppm to ensure a speedy death within 10 to 15
>minutes,
Actually, 300 ppm is sufficient to that task.
>the victim was strapped down and his heart beat was monitored
>until death could be certified, that the gas chamber was operated
>under negative pressure in order to avoid the gas leaking out though an
>acidental hole, the neutralizing of the body and the walls after the
>execution with some chemical (not water) before the body could be
>handled, etc.).
And what of this do you feel is needful for a mass gassing, the
details of which were being handled by expendable SK?
And how *do* you explain that freddy lied that "nearly all" of the
sample were negative?
Sara Salzman
"Richard Mileski" <miles...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sara Salzman wrote:
> >
> >
> > I believe he is referred to as a fraud because he called himself an
> > "engineer," although he had no training in engineering. He testified to
> > a court of law that he was an engineer, and had been educated as an
> > engineer, but he was lying.
> >
> > People who claim to be something they are not, are usually called
> > "frauds."
> >
> > Hope that helps.
> >
> > Sara
> >
> > [...]
> >
> The holocaust crowd was quite unhappy about the results of Leuchters
> research and decided to take the man out.
I have no idea what "the holocaust crowd" means.
> In "Is there life after persecution? The botched execution of Fred
> Leuchter" http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p429 Leuchter.html
None of which changes the fact that he claimed to be an engineer and
wasn't.
Leuchter's paranoia about Jewish groups notwithstanding, he had
absolutely no business sneaking around Auschwitz chiseling "samples"
that he neither understood nor properly labeled.
He had no concept that anyone could do things differently than he would
have, and his attempt to compare the gas chambers at Auschwitz to
"humane" executions in the United States was idiotic.
Leuchter didn't even know the simple fact that MORE Zyklon B was needed
to kill lice than humans.
Perhaps most important of all, Leuchter made his "decision" about the
existence of the gas chambers at Auschwitz without ever looking at the
plans, blueprints, or any other technical FACTUAL materials. He looked
at a ruined building, made completely inaccurate guesses about how
things could or would have been, and was well paid for his little visit
and subsequent testimony.
I'd be a little careful, if I were you, about accepting "what you
learned" from Leuchter. Many of his "facts" just aren't.
That's why he is a fraud.
-Sara
Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo
I don't think anyone takes issue with the known fact that there are all
sorts of folks in the world who can do a variety of things and do them
rather well but for one reason or another may not have the
academic/professional credentials for the expertise that they have
acquired in an otherwise professional field. However, and this a rather
cogent 'however', credentials and specific [which is to say
'verifiable'] expertise ==DOES== become a serious issue and
consideration when one assumes the mantle of and purports to be an
"expert" or an "authority" in any academic and/or professional discipline.
Leuchter tried to pass himself off as both an 'expert' and an
'authority' in the professional field of engineering but this was not
supported in terms of his credentials [a Bachelor of Arts in HISTORY
which has nothing to do with engineering] nor in his claimed experience
and expertise when, in fact, the record and references were thoroughly
checked. And found woefully wanting.
Reminds me somewhat of Joe Bellinger publicly claiming in this very
forum as a matter of fact to be , and I quote, " ... one of the nation's
[USA] 'leading authorities' [emphasis mine] on the Third Reich and
Judaic laws and ritual" and when almost immediately challenged on that
public statement as to the 'basis' of such a remarkable claim, Bellinger
alluded to his "reading many books on these subjects over many years"
when he was proprietor of a book store! Leading authority?! Nonsense!
That' akin to one groping their way through a medical tome on
neuro-surgery and then claiming neuro-surgical and diagnostic skills. A
book and 'sans' any formal training or peer review whatsoever. Would YOU
care to put your life or the life of your loved one in the hands of such
a 'self-taught' surgeon? Sure, sure, I know 'way back when' that such
'surgeons' did exist sans benefit of formal credentials, arduous and
long-term training or, indeed, the very important matter of peer review
and professional licensing , but that was 'then', not now. And the
'change' in terms of later professional certification 'requirements' and
'licensing' , when one ponders same, is blatantly and logically obvious!
But then, let's move to the court-room itself where Freddy is under oath
in the Zundel trial and his responses are of course recorded in the
official transcript. A question is put to him by Zundel's defense
attorney ...
"And you are, I understand, a graduate of Boston University, with a B.A.
in a 'field' [emphasis mine] that 'entitles' [emphasis mine] you to
'function as an engineer' [emphasis mine]. Is that right?"
And Freddy responds, "Yes, sir."
[Citation: Zundel transcript, 9056]
I mean Freddy surely heard the question and I don't see anything
technical or puzzling or challenging to the intellect about it
whatsoever ... YET he responds in the 'affirmative' as to having a B.A.
degree in a FIELD that ENTITLES him to 'function as an engineer' ----
HOW does a BA in the 'field' of HISTORY cause Freddy to be 'entitled' to
function as an engineer? Clearly, Freddy was lying! He does NOT have a
degree in a FIELD [engineering] that 'entitles' him to function as an
engineer!
So right there, the man's veracity itself is de facto in very serious
question. Sugar coat the thing as much as one wishes claiming Freddy was
perhaps 'nervous' or 'misunderstood' the question but the fact remains
that he was, shall we say, 'less than candid' --- translation ----
Freddy Leuchter lied!
The other matter at least in terms of yet another serious sticking point
with me is the fact that Freddy's 'sole funding' for the 'research
project' and to the tune of 30 thousand big-ones was of course ....
Ernst Zundel. I think it's insulting to anyone's intelligence for
revisionists to try and suggest with a straight face that Freddy's A-B
"findings" were "mere coincidence" [cough-cough] to that of his sole
sponsor and hence employer. I mean 'that' one has as much chance of
flying as Freddy Berg or Kurt Knoll being tapped by the Yad Vashem for
their "Righteous Gentile" award! In effect, Zundel 'paid' for a POV that
he himself could not advance 'scientifically' yet the person the Z-man
taps to essentially echo Zundel's "It Never Happened" war-cry was a
choice that was full of holes from the get-go.
Finally, I've seen Freddy's "Mr. Death..." 'documentary' too and it
periodically makes the rounds on the satellite channels but I was not
impressed with Freddy and what he had to say. He did, however, seem to
come off, at least to me, as the Floyd Turbo personified type and that
get-up he had on with the now famous 'hat' seemed to complete
[validate?] the picture.
But the court testimony, the Zundel funding, the references and
expertise check, the lack of savvy on elementary techniques of sample
procurement and preservation, Freddy's 'entire' court testimony and
corresponding responses to the court itself ["Well,I would question,
Your Honor, what an engineering degree is .... ", nahhhhhh, it just
didn't wash.
Doc Tony
Kurt Knoll
twist and distort facts carousel. Fact number one is if Leuchter would be a
fully fetched Engineer you procedure of slandering and discrediting would be
still the same. You replay and reaction is in your genes and it shows.
Kurt Knoll.
"Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" <doc...@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:44D6AC4E...@localnet.com...
Joe Bruno
Topaz wrote:
> On 1 Aug 2006 20:04:40 -0700, "Joe Bruno" <br...@indystart.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Henry Ford never claimed to be an engineer.
>
> You made that up out of the blue no doubt, as your kind always does.
So prove me wrong. Let's see a quote of Ford claiming to be an
engineer.
>
> >
> >If he was an engineer, why did he agree to the State's insistence that
> >he stop calling himself an engineer.
>
> Jews
>
> > He didn't present the defense you
> >do.
>
> You Jews make up anything you want out of the blue.
Evasion noted.
>
> >
> >What has that got to do with engineering?
>
> This harrassament came right after making the Leuchter Report. What
> do you think this is about? Are you such a Jew that you have to
> pretend not to understand?
No, you have to prove your claims, just like everyone else.
>
> >
> >He's lucky he didn't go to prison. Charging people for services under
> >false pretenses is fraud.
>
> Being a Jew should be reason to be deported from any decent country.
Only to you. Read the 1st and 14th amendments.
>
> He didn't do business with the general public and anyone who hired
> him could easily look at his credentials.
>
> >
> > Everyone knew the real
> >> reason he was brought to court-- because he made the Leuchter Report.
> >
> >
> >Everyone?
>
> Everyone. Though you Jews pretend not to get it.
> >
> >In America they lose their jobs.
> >
> >
> >Who has lost his job?
>
> There is no point in talking to you because you are a Jew. Of
> course Mel recanted for fear of the Jews.
Maybe Mel recanted because he wants people to see his movies and lots
of people don't like bigots. The fact that there are so many Jews in
Congress proves that.
> >Who has lost his job?
>
> >
> >Arthur Butz didn't lose his.
No answer????????
Ben Cramer
> In article <nfpcd210megcg38tr...@4ax.com>,
> Topaz <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 09:32:44 +0000 (UTC), rj...@TheWorld.com (Ron
>> Jacobson) wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Because he stated that he's an engineer, while he only
>> >holds a BA.
>>
>> Leuchter didn't do any business in Massachessets where the
>> engineering nit picking was brought to court due to Jewish pressure.
>> This means it had nothing to do with any job applications or anything
>> like that. It had to do with Leuchter saying he was an engineer in
>> private conversation and some papers. He might have said he was an
>> engineer in the Leuchter report, I don't totally recall.
>
> Ah, but you DO recall that he said he was an engineer in a court of law?
That's the only exaggeration the stinky yids could pin on him, isn't it.
Rather a pathetic attempt at overturning his investigation's results, don't
you think. Typical yid tactic - Don't like the message, so shoot the
messenger.
Ben Cramer
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
> In article <eb4o4c$2oq2$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>,
> Ben Cramer <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> (about Ken McVay)
>
>> It is true, and he puts himself up as an historian,
>
> "I'm not a historian" -- Ken McVay,
> Message-ID: <7v7dhb$q7g$1...@hub.org>#1/1.
>
> "I am not a historian, but an archiver, you see." --
> Ken McVay, Message-ID: <1993Sep18.1...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>.
>
>
> Benjie, Benjie. What do you have to say for yourself, liar?
He has so stated, ronnie. And you also snipped the part where I suggested
McFey never corrects those who refer to him as an historian. Can you never
get it right? Are you forever doomed to being known as the legendary "out of
context" liar?
Ben Cramer
> Ron Jacobson wrote:
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>> Don't forget this, Mileski.
>>
>> "It, however, may be a joke." -- Holocaust denier Fred
>> Leuchter, struggling to explain a March 2 1943 work report which
>> mentions a gas chamber in an Auschwitz crematorium. Source:
>> item 8.033, http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres2/rapport4e.pdf.
>>
>
> You left out that Leuchter also said in the same source to which you
> referred to, item 8.033:
> [quote]"In the absence of other documentation it means nothing and
> will remain an enigma."[/quote]
> drawings, which were certainly also used by the Riegel construction
> forman for his job, where an area within Krema IV is designated as
> 'gas chamber"?
Ronnie's legendary for his selective, out of context and downright dishonest
quotes.
Quite a liar, is our ronnie.
>
Ben Cramer
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
> In article <eb4o4c$2oq2$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>,
> Ben Cramer <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
>
>>> In article <eb4gl7$2mfl$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>,
>
>>> They don't lie about their qualifications. Leuchter did.
>
>> Yes they do. Van Pelt (reference to whom you've dishonestly
>> snipped, I might add) claims to be an historian.
>
I suggested to my colleagues this would be your response.
You're so predictable ronnie. Such a joke already.
Ben Cramer
"Chris C. Larson" <larsonc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154872850.1...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Ben Cramer wrote:
>> "Chris C. Larson" <larsonc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1154825255....@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Richard Mileski wrote:
>> >> Chris C. Larson wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > guys have?
>> >>
>> >> Why is Leuchter a fraud?
>> >> II
>> >> and had them analyzed by Alpha Analytic Laboratories in Massachusetts?
>> >> Or is it because the results by Alpha indicated, that the samples only
>> >> contained hardly detectable traces of HCN?
>> >> the
>> >> results from Alpha Analytic Laboratories?
>> >> Are Alpha's results upseting you?
>> >
>> > Of course none of you revisionists like to discuss the fact that
>> > Freddy's compensation was dependent on a report that supported
>> > revisionism. If not- he did not get paid.
>>
>
> Yes, it is a fact.
Continue, if you will, please.
This should be worth a laugh or two, folks.
>
Ben Cramer
> Ron Jacobson wrote:
>>>
>> > Why is Leuchter a fraud?
>>
>> holds a BA.
>>
>
> engineering title would not make Leuchter a fraud.
Unless the yids want to attack you over your claim. It's what they do.
> There are many engineers working within the US industry without a
> formal engineering education or the engineering registration.
Let's just hope they never criticise a yid.
Ben Cramer
> In article <jppcd216sa3ujllt9...@4ax.com>,
> Topaz <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:34:36 GMT, Roger <roger@.> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >But not in the state of Massachusetts, which is where leuchter was
>> >attempting to fraudulently use it.
>> >
>> Not so. He lived there but he did no work there. It is a liberal
>> state with no death penalty.
>>
>> http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
>> http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
>
> Then why did he promise "not to do it again"?
To appease the yids?
Ben Cramer
"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
news:au2cd2tgdqidjjsbt...@4ax.com...
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be Richard Mileski wrote
> in message
>
>>Ron Jacobson wrote:
>
>>> > Why is Leuchter a fraud?
>
>>> Because he stated that he's an engineer, while he only
>>> holds a BA.
>
>>The title "engineer" is not protected in the US and the use of the
>>engineering title would not make Leuchter a fraud.
>
> attempting to fraudulently use it.
I wasn't aware he did any work on execution chambers in Massachusetts,
woger.
Ben Cramer
> In article <eb4qou$2pho$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>,
>> > In article <eb4o4c$2oq2$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>,
>> > "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:eb4hj3$plc$1...@pcls4.std.com...
>> >> > In article <eb4gl7$2mfl$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>,
>> >> > Ben Cramer <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
>> >> >
>> >> >>>> Why is Leuchter a fraud?
>> >> >
>> >> >>> Because he stated that he's an engineer, while he only
>> >> >>> holds a BA.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > They don't lie about their qualifications. Leuchter did.
>> >>
>> >> Yes they do. Van Pelt (reference to whom you've dishonestly snipped, I
>> >> might
>> >> add) claims to be an historian.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Robert Jan van Pelt is Professor of Cultural History in the
>> > Architecture
>> > School at the University of Waterloo in Canada. He received his
>> > Doctorate (D.Lit.) in 1984 from the University of Leiden in the
>> > Netherlands and his Doctorandus Litterarum (Drs.Lit) in 1979 also from
>> > the University of Leiden, in the History of Art. There he teaches
>> > courses on the history of urbanism, on collective memory and the design
>> > and preservation of cultural sites. Since September 2002 he has been
>> > the
>> > Associate Director - Graduate Affairs - in Architecture. Professor van
>> > Pelt's area of expertise lies in a painstaking study of the physical
>> > details of Auschwitz and the culture that existed during the war. His
>> > books, The Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp (1994), Auschwitz: 1270
>> > to the Present (1996), and The Case for Auschwitz (2002), meticulously
>> > analyzes how Auschwitz was built, brick by brick and who the men were
>> > who made decisions that had terrible consequences for millions of
>> > people.
>> >
>> > http://www.pbs.org/auschwitz/about/advisors.html
>> >
>> > Now, tell us about Leuchter.
>>
>> van Pelt is not an historian. He's a fraud
>
> The extent of Cramer's credibility. "Because! I! Say! So!"
He is not an historian, hog gal. Is he? You are all to ready to denounce
Irving, yet you are only too ready to accept van Pelt as an historian.
Why might that be?
Ben Cramer
> In article <1154906426.4...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
> "Richard Mileski" <miles...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I believe he is referred to as a fraud because he called himself an
>> > "engineer," although he had no training in engineering. He testified to
>> > a court of law that he was an engineer, and had been educated as an
>> > engineer, but he was lying.
>> >
>> > People who claim to be something they are not, are usually called
>> > "frauds."
>> >
>> > Hope that helps.
>> >
>> > Sara
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> The holocaust crowd was quite unhappy about the results of Leuchters
>> research and decided to take the man out.
>
> I have no idea what "the holocaust crowd" means.
Of course you do.
Ben Cramer
"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be Richard Mileski wrote
> in message
> <1154906426.4...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:
>
>>The holocaust crowd was quite unhappy about the results of Leuchters
>>research and decided to take the man out.
>
> No, we're quite happy to point out the flaws in that research.
Which flaws are those, woger? Care to elaborate.
Ron Jacobson
Ben Cramer <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's the only exaggeration the stinky yids could pin on him, isn't it.
> Rather a pathetic attempt at overturning his investigation's results,
What results, dopehead?
This one?
Ron Jacobson
Ben Cramer <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
> news:eb5d9g$i4p$1...@pcls4.std.com...
>> In article <eb4o4c$2oq2$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>,
>> Ben Cramer <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> (about Ken McVay)
>>> It is true, and he puts himself up as an historian,
>> "I'm not a historian" -- Ken McVay,
>> Message-ID: <7v7dhb$q7g$1...@hub.org>#1/1.
>>
>> "I am not a historian, but an archiver, you see." --
>> Ken McVay, Message-ID: <1993Sep18.1...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>.
>>
>> Benjie, Benjie. What do you have to say for yourself, liar?
> He has so stated, ronnie.
He stated the opposite of what you claimed he did, liar.
You are lying scum, Benjie.
RJ.
Ron Jacobson
Ben Cramer <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
> news:eb4smc$v4t$1...@pcls4.std.com...
>>> Yes they do. Van Pelt (reference to whom you've dishonestly
>>> snipped, I might add) claims to be an historian.
>> Cite his exact words, and the exact titles he holds.
Well, Benjie? Where is that citation?
> I suggested to my colleagues this would be your response.
You don't have any colleagues, dopehead. Unless we consider
the other unemployable parasites that you meet at the welfare
office.
RJ.
Ron Jacobson
Ben Cramer <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wasn't aware he did any work on execution chambers in Massachusetts,
> woger.
Leuchter never worked on any execution chamber anywhere; he
lied to the court, and to others, about that.
RJ.
Ron Jacobson
Richard Mileski <miles...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The holocaust crowd was quite unhappy about the results of Leuchters
> research
What "results"? Please be specific.
RJ.
Ben Cramer
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
One quote you've chosen ronnie. One. Check ALL his quotes, where he has
never disagreed with others description of him as an historian.
You're a very dishonest little man ronnie, as we all know. Even the yids
don't read your rubbish.
Ben Cramer
Ben Cramer
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
Believe what you will, ronnie. It's quite evident you do, to the total
exclusion of fact.
Such a disgrace you are, ronnie.
Ben Cramer
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
I wasn't aware he did any work on execution chambers in Massachussets,
ronnie. I didn't ask for your dishonest nonsense.
Ben Cramer
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
Nice try, dopey. As if you don't know.
Sara Salzman
Either Mr. Cramer is just being obstinate or is pure stone-stupid.
A person with a degree in ART HISTORY is an ART HISTORIAN. Architecture
is an ART. van Pelt is an historian of the ARCHITECTURE of Auschwitz.
Sorry to use so many big words. Do try to follow.
Ron Jacobson
Ben Cramer <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
(snip the liar's drivel)
"my younger Brother got me absolutely stoned on magic mushrooms.
I spent three days sitting in the corner of the tent waiting to come
down." -- Ben Cramer, Message-ID
<1125123267.5e5d281ad88798917af26011bcb01dc0@teranews>
"I'm not here to rebut anything or anyone, cuntface. I'm here
to antagonise and keep you occupied." -- Ben Cramer, Message-ID:
<dv0e2v$l5a$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>.
RJ.
Ron Jacobson
Ben Cramer <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
> news:eb75ua$5sb$1...@pcls4.std.com...
>> What "results"? Please be specific.
> Nice try, dopey. As if you don't know.
No, doper, I don't know.
RJ.
Ron Jacobson
Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
> Either Mr. Cramer is just being obstinate or is pure stone-stupid.
Not only is Benjie a dopehead, he also admitted that he
doesn't mean a word he posts, and that his only goal is
to annoy:
"my younger Brother got me absolutely stoned on magic mushrooms.
I spent three days sitting in the corner of the tent waiting to come
down." -- Ben Cramer, Message-ID
<1125123267.5e5d281ad88798917af26011bcb01dc0@teranews>
"I'm not here to rebut anything or anyone, cuntface. I'm here
to antagonise and keep you occupied." -- Ben Cramer, Message-ID:
<dv0e2v$l5a$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>.
That's Benjie's aspiration -- to be the human equivalent of
toenail fungus.
RJ.
Ben Cramer
Art history is hardly qualitative degree for holocaust history research, you
stupid fat cow.
Ben Cramer
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
Dull cunt, then, aren't you.
Ben Cramer
ronnie. For all the wrong reasons.
Ben Cramer
Gord McFee
<eb6oda$b0t$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Ben Cramer"
<[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Sara Salzman" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
> news:catamont-B16110...@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <nfpcd210megcg38tr...@4ax.com>,
> > Topaz <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 09:32:44 +0000 (UTC), rj...@TheWorld.com (Ron
> >> Jacobson) wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Because he stated that he's an engineer, while he only
> >> >holds a BA.
> >>
> >> Leuchter didn't do any business in Massachessets where the
> >> engineering nit picking was brought to court due to Jewish pressure.
> >> This means it had nothing to do with any job applications or anything
> >> like that. It had to do with Leuchter saying he was an engineer in
> >> private conversation and some papers. He might have said he was an
> >> engineer in the Leuchter report, I don't totally recall.
> >
> > Ah, but you DO recall that he said he was an engineer in a court of law?
>
> That's the only exaggeration the stinky yids could pin on him, isn't it.
He pinned it on himself when he (a non-Jew) lied in response to
questions from his lawyer (a non-Jew) and the prosecutor (a non-Jew).
> Rather a pathetic attempt at overturning his investigation's results, don't
> you think. Typical yid tactic - Don't like the message, so shoot the
> messenger.
His accreditation was a fraud.
His science was a fraud.
He was a fraud.
--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time
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Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo
Kurt Knoll wrote:
> Tony it looks more like you are a full fetched Jew no wonder you are in the
> twist and distort facts carousel. Fact number one is if Leuchter would be a
> fully fetched Engineer you procedure of slandering and discrediting would be
> still the same. You replay and reaction is in your genes and it shows.
>
> Kurt Knoll.
>
Hallo, Kurt! Was gibt, alte Puppe®? Nun' [switching] and as usual, you
can always be counted on to, shall we say, sing the old tunes but, just
as usual, be horrendously and noticeably off-key! Now up there, Kurt,
you deal in pure 'speculation' while down below in what I said about
Freddy, I deal in 'fact' and the 'fact' is that Freddy did not tell the
truth [read: lied] when a question was put to him by Zundel's own
attorney about his credentials. LOOK at it, alte Puppe®! In a 'field'
that 'entitles' Freddy to 'function as an engineer', ja, oder, but what
does Freddy answer? Well, I'll give you a hint, close your eyes, alte
Puppe®, relax, let yourself slowly drift back to 'that night' ....
[purposely reverting now...] .... und Herr Doktor 'G' .... "WOLLT IHR
DEN TOTALEN KRIEG?"
Kurt [from pure knee-'jerk' reaction]: "JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"
Ja, stimmt, alte Puppe®, [switching], that's what Freddy said too when
he heard die Frage [the question] --- he lied!
Doc Tony
Der Stadt Darmstadt
;-)
[and then ....]
'Bruder' Werner: [again angry at Kurt ...] "GET BACK IN THERE, KURT, AND
SAY SOMETHING PROFOUND! 'FORCE' DOC TONY AND THE AR ANTI-REVISIONISTS TO
TAKE YOU AND THEREFORE THE MOVEMENT® SERIOUSLY!"
Kurt [ponders .... and re-ponders ... ] "Ehhhh, ehhhhh, 'it is untrue
that I or anyone else in the 'Movement®' wanted ... [a sudden shout from
Bruder Werner: "OF ALL THINGS, NOT THAT, YOU IDIOT!"] .. ehhhhh
.....Herr Doc Tony .... ehhhh .... 'I am not stressed out .... ehhhh
.... Ukrainian sausage .... ehhhhh .... Ahhhh! .... "The parodox is you
isn't I about time you act like in real life!" [SIC! Ohhh yes! Dunno,
ask Kurt!] ... ."
;-)
[watching the thread ....]
Wally-lad® [Waldo] : "What do you think, Fred [Berg], I mean with Kurt's
performance?"
Crackpot® Freddy Berg: [and rather a shock to the ears of Wally-lad® as
Berg makes with the 'Yiddish' expression ...] "Geborgter saichel toig
nit!" [Borrowed brains have no value].
Wally-lad®: [stunned!]: "Is that 'Yiddish', Fred?"
Crackpot® Freddy Berg: "May I 'remind' you, Wally-lad®, that even Herr
Ober Sturmbannführer Eichmann made an effort to study the languages that
'these people' like to speak! It is a matter of knowing one's 'enemy' !"
Wally-lad® [takes a sort of misguided cue as it were ... raises his can
of Löwenbrau and pipes up to Crackpot® Freddy forthwith... ]: "L'CHAIM!"
;-)
> "Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" <doc...@localnet.com> wrote in message
> news:44D6AC4E...@localnet.com...
>
>>
>>Richard Mileski wrote:
>>
>>>Ron Jacobson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Why is Leuchter a fraud?
>>>>
>>>> Because he stated that he's an engineer, while he only
>>>>holds a BA.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The title "engineer" is not protected in the US and the use of the
>>>engineering title would not make Leuchter a fraud.
>>>There are many engineers working within the US industry without a
>>>formal engineering education or the engineering registration. RM
>>>.
>>>
>>
>>
>>I don't think anyone takes issue with the known fact that there are all
>>sorts of folks in the world who can do a variety of things and do them
>>rather well but for one reason or another may not have the
>>academic/professional credentials for the expertise that they have
>>acquired in an otherwise professional field. However, and this a rather
>>cogent 'however', credentials and specific [which is to say 'verifiable']
>>expertise ==DOES== become a serious issue and consideration when one
>>assumes the mantle of and purports to be an "expert" or an "authority" in
>>any academic and/or professional discipline.
>>
>>Leuchter tried to pass himself off as both an 'expert' and an 'authority'
>>in the professional field of engineering but this was not supported in
>>terms of his credentials [a Bachelor of Arts in HISTORY which has nothing
>>to do with engineering] nor in his claimed experience and expertise when,
>>in fact, the record and references were thoroughly checked. And found
>>woefully wanting.
>>
>>Reminds me somewhat of Joe Bellinger publicly claiming in this very forum
>>as a matter of fact to be , and I quote, " ... one of the nation's [USA]
>>'leading authorities' [emphasis mine] on the Third Reich and Judaic laws
>>and ritual" and when almost immediately challenged on that public
>>statement as to the 'basis' of such a remarkable claim, Bellinger alluded
>>to his "reading many books on these subjects over many years" when he was
>>proprietor of a book store! Leading authority?! Nonsense! That' akin to
>>one groping their way through a medical tome on neuro-surgery and then
>>claiming neuro-surgical and diagnostic skills. A book and 'sans' any
>>formal training or peer review whatsoever. Would YOU care to put your life
>>or the life of your loved one in the hands of such a 'self-taught'
>>surgeon? Sure, sure, I know 'way back when' that such 'surgeons' did exist
>>sans benefit of formal credentials, arduous and long-term training or,
>>indeed, the very important matter of peer review and professional
>>licensing , but that was 'then', not now. And the 'change' in terms of
>>later professional certification 'requirements' and 'licensing' , when one
>>ponders same, is blatantly and logically obvious!
>>
>>But then, let's move to the court-room itself where Freddy is under oath
>>in the Zundel trial and his responses are of course recorded in the
>>official transcript. A question is put to him by Zundel's defense attorney
>>...
>>
>>"And you are, I understand, a graduate of Boston University, with a B.A.
>>in a 'field' [emphasis mine] that 'entitles' [emphasis mine] you to
>>'function as an engineer' [emphasis mine]. Is that right?"
>>
>>And Freddy responds, "Yes, sir."
>>
>>
>>[Citation: Zundel transcript, 9056]
>>
>>I mean Freddy surely heard the question and I don't see anything technical
>>or puzzling or challenging to the intellect about it whatsoever ... YET he
>>responds in the 'affirmative' as to having a B.A. degree in a FIELD that
>>ENTITLES him to 'function as an engineer' ----
>>HOW does a BA in the 'field' of HISTORY cause Freddy to be 'entitled' to
>>function as an engineer? Clearly, Freddy was lying! He does NOT have a
>>degree in a FIELD [engineering] that 'entitles' him to function as an
>>engineer!
>>
>>So right there, the man's veracity itself is de facto in very serious
>>question. Sugar coat the thing as much as one wishes claiming Freddy was
>>perhaps 'nervous' or 'misunderstood' the question but the fact remains
>>that he was, shall we say, 'less than candid' --- translation ----
>>Freddy Leuchter lied!
>>
>>
>>The other matter at least in terms of yet another serious sticking point
>>with me is the fact that Freddy's 'sole funding' for the 'research
>>project' and to the tune of 30 thousand big-ones was of course .... Ernst
>>Zundel. I think it's insulting to anyone's intelligence for revisionists
>>to try and suggest with a straight face that Freddy's A-B "findings" were
>>"mere coincidence" [cough-cough] to that of his sole sponsor and hence
>>employer. I mean 'that' one has as much chance of flying as Freddy Berg or
>>Kurt Knoll being tapped by the Yad Vashem for their "Righteous Gentile"
>>award! In effect, Zundel 'paid' for a POV that he himself could not
>>advance 'scientifically' yet the person the Z-man taps to essentially echo
>>Zundel's "It Never Happened" war-cry was a choice that was full of holes
>>from the get-go.
>>
>>Finally, I've seen Freddy's "Mr. Death..." 'documentary' too and it
>>periodically makes the rounds on the satellite channels but I was not
>>impressed with Freddy and what he had to say. He did, however, seem to
>>come off, at least to me, as the Floyd Turbo personified type and that
>>get-up he had on with the now famous 'hat' seemed to complete [validate?]
>>the picture.
>>
>>But the court testimony, the Zundel funding, the references and expertise
>>check, the lack of savvy on elementary techniques of sample procurement
>>and preservation, Freddy's 'entire' court testimony and corresponding
>>responses to the court itself ["Well,I would question, Your Honor, what an
>>engineering degree is .... ", nahhhhhh, it just didn't wash.
>>
>>
>>Doc Tony
>>
>
>
>
Kurt Knoll
we believe in your version only. The best way I can but it you should watch
the American legal system. Is this not a miracle hockus pokus way. Her we
have a self serving society out doing or out playing each other while making
money. On of the most amazing thing about this shenanigans has always bee
disqualifying each other. Disqualifying Leuchter on a technicality does not
say he is not qualified for my way of thinking you kind can kiss each others
ass. I am not on your side because I simply do not trust you if you were to
pay me for it.
Kurt Knoll.
"Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" <doc...@localnet.com> wrote in message
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Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo
Kurt Knoll wrote:
> Now Tony this is a matter of opinion what did Freddy do for living or shall
> we believe in your version only. The best way I can but it you should watch
> the American legal system. Is this not a miracle hockus pokus way. Her we
> have a self serving society out doing or out playing each other while making
> money. On of the most amazing thing about this shenanigans has always bee
> disqualifying each other. Disqualifying Leuchter on a technicality does not
> say he is not qualified for my way of thinking you kind can kiss each others
> ass. I am not on your side because I simply do not trust you if you were to
> pay me for it.
>
You mean like Herr Zundel 'trusted' Herr Leuchter! But 'with' that
rather hefty check payment 'incentive' to boot! 'That' kind of 'trust',
ja, oder, alte Puppe® .... ?
Doc Tony
Der Stadt Darmstadt
;-)
A Revisionist Voice: "That check from Zundel was for "expenses", nothing
more! Expenses!"
Hey, for that kind of dough, I could stay at the George V in Paris or
the Langham in London-town! 'Expenses' indeed!
[WOT' THE ...... ]
DEM: "And while you, Mr. Mock [!] and other 'western nation
imperialists' [!] are staying [??] at these luxury hotels, do you have
any idea how many children are starving to death each 'minute' you
engage in such 'western nation decadence' ? Do you?"
Steve Mock: "I'll handle this, Doc. And I 'repeat' Dr. Michael, your
'OWN' contribution to those starving children of the planet is exactly
WHAT again? I mean 'other' than your rhetoric!"
DEM: [Bupkis!]
Steve Mock: [waits for the expected DEM non response]: "Thank you!"
;-)
There is 'always' point! Always!
Kurt Knoll
do not need a head shrink or university swine to make up my mind. Compare
the honorary compensation with what you sucker are paying others and tell me
where the money is coming from.
Kurt Knoll.
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Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo
Kurt Knoll wrote:
> I have been an electronic technician all my life and can tell you for sure I
> do not need a head shrink or university swine to make up my mind.
WHY does this kind of rhetoric smack of something along the lines of [as
translated BTW] "I didn't goooooo to any military school to learn how to
use a knife and fork... I didn't gooooooo to any supposed centers of
higher learning .... but single handedly and against the so-called
'expertise' and 'judgment' of aristocratic high-brows, I conquered vast
territories of Europe and .... " [Sound familiar? But then, hey, do me a
favor, jump to May 1, 1945 after the Führer made with the Walther PPK
with HCN capsule 'chaser' swan-song exit thing and recall the analogous
famous UK architect's tomb inscription but now applied to the Führer, to
wit, and in Berlin, '45, when the guns finally fell silent, "If you seek
his monument, look around!"
>Compare
> the honorary compensation with what you sucker are paying others and tell me
> where the money is coming from.
>
Well, alte Puppe®, in the Freddy Leuchter case anyway, the 'money trail'
is quite simple: Ernst Zundel! Does that suggest anything to you? It
certainly does to me!
Doc Tony
Der Stadt Darmstadt
;-)
Alte Puppe®! Nürnberg! '45! Herr Doktor Hoff ... und die JV/HJ
're-education' classes in those tents! Ring a bell? Na' und?
;-)
And finally: "DEUTSCHE! [switching] -- Give me the years to fulfill my
mission and promulgate my policies ... and you will not 'recognize'
Germany!"
The Führer certainly called 'that' prediction correctly! 'Especially' in
'45 when one could view the 'results' of his 'mission' and those policies !
Kurt Knoll
for sure the standard procedure in attacking the holohoax problem is always
the same. There used to be an old saying one time and this was divide and
conquer. The only difference I see her with holocaust industries I would
call it confuse and screw them all is it not amazing how your system works.
Kurt Knoll.
"Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" <doc...@localnet.com> wrote in message
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Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo
Kurt Knoll wrote:
> Well Tony we have here zundel leuchter who knows who else. But one thing is
> for sure the standard procedure in attacking the holohoax problem is always
> the same.
Careful there, alte Puppe®, that ["holohoax problem" [sic] ] came close
to a slip of going on about the "Die Juden Frage", ja? You 'do' know,
Kurt, that I'm talking 'through' you here because after all these years
we both know where your 'Kopf' is at so it becomes an exercise of merely
taking your wares and, well, giving them additional 'exposure' .... for
what they are worth of course.
Now we generally get along but then, hey, most of your stuff is entirely
predictable but it does give the opportunity for readers to get an in
situ gander, if you will, at the revisionist 'Fahne' [flag] so to speak.
I mean, Kurt, remember what you told the 'old Jew' [sic] when he asked
about whether you felt bad, in your own words, "what DID HAPPEN to the
Jews during the war" [sic], well, what did you tell him? Ja! [Lurkers
and/or newbies to AR: So wrote Kurt at the time, "I told him to f***
off!" ... ] so 'that' pretty much gives a good indication of your
position. The 'not being anti-Semitic' but 'disliking Jews' remark
notwithstanding.
Now Kurt, as long as we're posting once again, you keep avoiding this
one even though I bring it up when you start running the threads with
your 'Mit Uns' muses. In '45, you were in the Heimat yet you say that
you were 'never' a JV/HJ member. How is that? And let me qualify, I
'know' Volk who had been JV/HJ/BDM members both when I lived in Germany
post war and still today and I make no bones about their membership nor
disparage same, let's be clear on that one before Morghus comes out of
his self-induced coma and does the ol' "anti-German" ploy and shtick ---
that said, there were 3 exceptions to what was a "mandated" JV/HJ/BDM
involvement: debilitating physical problems; any Jewish blood within 3
generations; MENTAL incapacities! Nun'? WHY were you not a member, Kurt,
which the law at the time and right up to the final days 'required' ?
So, that leads me to you-know-what --- and stop ducking it, alte Puppe®
---- Form a sentence using the words HARE HUNTER FIELD !