Matt Giwer on Out of Context Quoting by NIZKOOKS
Fred Rutherford
(Archived locally as: GiwerOnNIZKOOKS)
Nizkook Kentral
by Matt Giwer
I have not bothered putting up this explanation in hopes people might learn
something about the internet for themselves. After nearly ten years I see that
was a futile hope. A related article on usenet spams and cancellation floods has
been up for some four years.
http://www.giwersworld.org/computers/newsagent.phtml
If you are here because of Nizkor or the sycophantic holohuggers on public
discussion posting things attributed to me, claiming I posted derogatory
material about Jews or praise of Hitler and the Nazis, this is the article to
read.
This is an example of a real Usenet post.
http://www.giwersworld.org/computers/navix.phtml The important part are the
lines you never see unless you set your newsreader to see them. Ordinarily only
the lines like From: and Subject:. You do not see all the other lines like
References: and path Path:. Examine the options on your news reader for the
option to see them all. It will read View Full Headers or something similar.
The bottom line is, if you do not have the full headers there is no way to
verify who created the post or its contents. To verify the contents you go to
groups.google.com and, using the information in the headers, search for the
original, unmodified post. Upon finding you read the posts in the thread, those
preceding and following it to put the post in context.
The sycophants who promote Nizkor, hereinafter referred to as nizkooks, are
particularly malevolent beasts, pigs perhaps. Almost to a man they identify
themselves as Jews. You can search Nizkor for on my name and find hundreds of
posts attributed to me. Not one of those posts has the full headers nor the
slightest suggestion of a complete post much less the context. As such the
collection of posts created by the nizkooks are deliberate and willful
forgeries.
I challenge anyone to find any post of mine on groups.google.com which in fact
sounds anything like the nizkook forgeries. What you will not find there is the
post by Larry Shiff using the handle Marduk referring to me saying, He's not an
antisemite but I will make him one. This preceded the usenet spams and
cancellation floods and the related harassing phone calls and death threats to
me and my family. http://www.giwersworld.org/computers/newsagent.phtml
So how did I get involved in this izziehugging, holohugging debacle? I simply
stuck with the facts of physical reality and refused to accept bullshit from
holohuggers. What did they do in return? created one of the largest character
defamation repositories in modern times. It is not as though I said what they
claim.
I admit anyone who had claimed to be a jew and called me a Nazi I called a kike.
But I never started the exchange of invectives. But they forged posts where it
is only says I called someone a kike. That is in law forgery, defamation, libel
and a moral killing offense.
It is a matter of giving as good as you get. They call me Nazi I call them kike.
No difference. The insult is equal.
But the nizkook archives were created by these kikes and I have no problem
pointing out these jewboys are lying sacks of shit, jewgirls also just so I
cannot be accused of being sexist.
Terrible language is it not? But I did not start it. The jewboys started it. And
they created all the forged material on Nizkor. And that is all the jewboys cite
as sources for what I have said.
I am not yet antisemitic but all these jewboys keep referring to such obvious
forgeries (they are bright are they not? and they should know better should they
not?) I cannot come to any other conclusion than they are scum of the earth
animals. Not all Jews. Just the stupid-ass dumb Jews who cite Nizkook Kentral.
My point of view
All said and done this archive of forgeries was released overnight. The damage
was done. What could I do? Put yourself in my position. A massive compendium of
forgeries is suddenly released. The game is over. There is no way to retract it.
So what do I do?
I could retire to a Buddhist monastery. I could drop off the internet. Or I can
get even. I chose to get even.
On choosing to get even I observed these jewboys hold sacred their holy
holocaust, their religion and their apartheid Israel. Before the jewboys left me
no choice but to get even those were minor issues. After there was no choice but
to get even. They declared the ground-rules.
Before they did, I had no particular interest in differentiating Old and New
Testament religions. Since then I have taken particular delight in pricking the
Old Testament and I have enjoyed the intellectual exercise in doing so.
Before this my only real gripe with Israel was the attack on the USS Liberty but
since then lets go after their sacred cow, Israel. http://www.ussliberty.org/
Why not? They attacked me so I return the favor. Make me your enemy and you make
an enemy. Israel! Purge your friends who make enemies for you.
This is not a vendetta per se. This is simply a matter of emphasis. I will win
because the facts are on my side. Winning will not be due to me. I had no choice
but to fold or fight back against the lies and forgeries so I cannot be blamed
for a normal human response to being attacked. No blame.
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What is Nizkor?
Nizkor claims it started as a vanity website by as welfare queen name Ken McVay.
He claims to have started the site while on welfare but spending his days at the
library reading and typing in the material by hand. Both of those activities
sound like a means of gainful employment.
As of six years ago, the address of Nizkor is a commercial mail drop and the
alternate phone number was answered by El Manuel Synagogue. Ken McVay claims to
be a Christian. He promotes his Christianity as evidence of impartiality on
holocaustic matters. I don't see the connection myself. Is he saying only a Jew
would lie?
Rumor had it for years he was suffering from AIDS. Another rumor has it he died
in the Fall of 2004. Although there are occasional Usenet posts using his name
there is no indication he is still alive. Anyone can use any name they want on
Usenet.
<END of Matt Giwer Material>
More on Nizkor:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.history.what-if/msg/bb5199018d2a99bc
Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear Financed With
Exempt Donations V2-2 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:49:00 -0500
Message-ID: <7faub15n5pmv10mtk...@4ax.com>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.portuguese/msg/40e2a82de0029cb2
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge Against
America, Capitalism, and Christianity R_0928
Message-ID: <p0afnvchj52pcuh6c...@4ax.com>
Date: 29 Sep 2003 03:38:54 GMT
Companion Piece
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/can.general/msg/56c62b82ce6a0edb
Subject: UPDATED! B'nai Brith Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge
Against Capitalism, and Christianity V2.0 R_1207
Message-ID: <4186tvsr4d3oiodp2...@4ax.com>
Date: 7 Dec 2003 12:48:39 GMT
Why is it evident that most of Nizkor supporters are communist sympathizers
and/or Christ Deniers?
Why is it most of the people who call people "Holocaust Deniers" and "Nazi
Apologists" are Blasphemous Christ Deniers and Communist Apologists? Has anyone
else noticed this important coincidence?
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.education/msg/79e4a7f1375fb983?hl=en
Subject: Nizkor Project Director Ken McVay (As Well as Nizkor Supporters)
Engaging in Christ Denial and Anti-Christism? aka Re: The Jews who did not deny
the Messiah V2-0 T_0528
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:06:37 -0500
Message-ID: <icfh911utiqhq15gj...@4ax.com>
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ALSO FOOD FOR THOUGHT:
http://www.judaism.com/display.asp?nt=aabH&etn=GDFDG
(Link active February 27, 2005. Archived locally as: JewMarxDoll)
America's Jewish Bookstore
Giftware - Dolls
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Karl Marx Beanbag Doll
Little Thinkers Beanbag Doll
Ages 5 & up What a revolutionary idea! Karl Marx is such a doll! The German
scholar and originator of the fundamental theory of communism will keep you
company while you study. He comes with a brief biographical information tag.
Filled with soft stuffing and HDPE pellets.
Publisher: The Unemployed Philosophers Guild
Related Categories:
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Imagine the outrage by Jews if some Christian bookstore were to sell little
Adolf Hitler dolls claiming: "The German originator of the fundamental theory of
Nazism will keep you company while you study."
(Special Note May 29, 2005: The link has been pulled on the Marx Doll and now
the link returns with "No such entry exists." which is the reason why I locally
archive such stuff! Anyone wanting the defunct web page viewable offline
complete with all graphics etc. need only make the request and I will post it to
alt.binaries as either a RAR file or a ZIP file-- your choice!)
->SPECIAL NOTE June 30, 2005: Those picture links given above describing the
Marx Doll are still active thus confirming the doll had in fact existed!
Everyone check out those two links to see before they get pulled as well!
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536.gif
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536a.gif
(Archived locally as: 63536 and 63536a)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/38a34215c6be9542
Subject: If Communism Was/Is so Oppressive to Jews then Why Don't Jews Treat it
the Same as They Do Nazism? V4-0 UPDATED LINKS T_0630
Message-ID: <7iu6c19hjdu4t3itg...@4ax.com>
Date: 30 Jun 2005 05:12:31 GMT
Tavish
Ed Asner=Jew & Stalin Admirer
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100137,00.html
(Link active November 3, 2003. Archived locally: ASSner_stalin)
Wednesday October 25, 2003
by Brit Hume
FOX NEWS
A Stalin Admirer?
Actor Ed Asner [was] asked to choose the historical figure he respected
most and would like to play some day responded, "My answer would have to be Joe
Stalin ... I think Joe Stalin was a guy that was hugely misunderstood."
Asner did not say what it was about the Soviet dictator, under whom
millions more died than in Hitler's Holocaust, that was misunderstood. <END>
http://www.horizonmag.com/1/asner.htm
(Link active November 4, 2003. Archived locally as: commie_jew_ASSner)
"...[Ed] Asner was raised in a traditional Orthodox Jewish family... <END>
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"For pure murderous evil, there has never been a force to compare with
Communism. The Nazis didn't come close. The Holocaust was uniquely
malignant - never before or since did one people construct a vast industry
of death for the sole purpose of rounding up and destroying every single member
of another people. But the Nazis exterminated 11 million innocents; the
Communist death toll surpasses 100 million."
TO THE VICTIMS OF COMMUNISM, LEST WE FORGET
By Jeff Jacoby
The Boston Globe
December 7, 1995
http://www.physics.ncat.edu/~michael/vses/eth4000/victim.html
(Link active June 22, 2003. Archived locally as: eth4000_victim)
See the entire contents the above was excerpted from with his link:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/ff7145841fefdf96
Subject: Comrade Ed Asner on Comrade Joseph Stalin (He's a Jew and a Member of
the Democratic Socialists of America!!) V2.1 R_1115
Message-ID: <jrqdrvs5ap8db078d...@4ax.com>
Recompiled information on DSA:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/msg/66ead9217cb955bc
Subject: Democratic Socialists in Congress, Their Agenda, Their Values, and
Their FIGHTING Songs! V3.0 S_0208
Message-ID: <fngd20hhnqv51a0ol...@4ax.com>
Date: 8 Feb 2004 23:12:27 GMT
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/75f209a402a1ad67
Subject: Who says Socialism and Communism aren't the same and are adhered to by
the same people? CP USA Speaks out! V2.5 S_0629
Message-ID: <gpu2e09d520ab2gkc...@4ax.com>
Date: 29 Jun 2004 15:48:54 GMT
The above archive proves that communists use socialism as a transitory stage to
a communist state and in their own words too I might add!
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One certified kook citing another? Isn't that special...
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> R. Scott Bradbury <fred_ru...@01mayfield.net> writes:
>
> :http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml
> :(Archived locally as: GiwerOnNIZKOOKS)
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> : Nizkook Kentral
> : by Matt Giwer
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> One certified kook citing another? Isn't that special...
Isn't it typical?
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