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Joebruno

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Dec 13, 2003, 8:15:34 PM12/13/03
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James Seymour McTavish

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On 13 Dec 2003 17:15:34 -0800, <bf3896a1.03121...@posting.google.com>
br...@indystart.com (Joebruno) wrote:

>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/

What the smear agents won't tell you all:
1) I won that lawsuit- the judgment against me was overturned and the lawsuit
was dismissed in my favor. Also I was NEVER served with the lawsuit's
"complaints" against me! (Neither myself NOR my attorney ever got copies of the
complaints filed against me by Yale F. Edeiken the plaintiff.) How could I have
possibly answered the accusations when I was never served with them? I was not
given my day in court. The victory Yale got was only temporary and the fact he
was unethical and very dishonest proves what sort of scoundrel it was who abused
the legal system for a personal vendetta against someone (Me) who daily made him
look stupid and showed him for the liar he is.)
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&selm=aomv4vofhbl2q46bqk2lvf3k7q0umn1l4l%404ax.com
Subject: RE Dismissal of 1999-C-2786 Edeiken Vs Bradbury R_0216
Message-ID: <aomv4vofhbl2q46bq...@4ax.com>
2) The complaints which neither I NOR my attorney were ever served with were
filled with numerous libels and outright perjury with "evidence" against me
being manufactured by the plaintiff (who was also his own attorney):
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&selm=3bmv4vc9u4kh2qs4v84aek0qsbfhb5eul8%404ax.com
Subject: Test this, David Michael aka Ken McVay's "Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1" Is
Filled With Lies and Perjury...
Message-ID: <3bmv4vc9u4kh2qs4v...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=d0ic0v81gdhrd1djqe4k4k2mnvq4c4sdi5%404ax.com&rnum=4
Subject: "Criminally Perjured Sworn Testimony" at the Web Site of Peter
Outerbridge aka Paul Kneisel (He Supports Lies So He Can Use Them To Smear Me)
Message-ID: <d0ic0v81gdhrd1djq...@4ax.com>
3) The plaintiff illegally distributed my unlisted telephone number and address
which he had used to make death threats against me. The subpoenaed information
did NOT become "public knowledge" because it was NEVER turned over to the
court-- rather instead the plaintiff posted my newly acquired address etc. to
USENET with the invitation I get beaten with baseball bats!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=gsk76vcng7f0cugmimalglbno6bmgmslhk%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Yale F. Edeiken Admits Sending Death Threats Over The Internet is a
Federal Crime (Which He Has Done!)
Message-ID: <gsk76vcng7f0cugmi...@4ax.com>
For a fact-- the attorney whose failed lawsuit against me is:
1) Not a member of his local or state bar association
2) Not in the phone book under attorneys
3) Not associated with any law office though he tried to convince people he was
and those two law offices denied having him as an associate and both claimed he
used them as drops which explains why people can see the "C/O" in Edeiken's
"legal" documents.


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Wayne

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On 13 Dec 2003 17:15:34 -0800, <bf3896a1.03121...@posting.google.com>
br...@indystart.com (Joebruno) wrote:

>http:

That lawsuit was dismissed in his favor so who is stupid?

You were partialy correct when you stated _Bradbury Linked To Stupidity_ and the
stupidity linked to is a nizkor link. Now we all know McVay aka Mr. Nizkor is
stupid.

Roger

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Dec 13, 2003, 9:39:18 PM12/13/03
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be James Seymour McTavish wrote
in message <9ohntvcg4mchndv0u...@4ax.com>:

>On 13 Dec 2003 17:15:34 -0800, <bf3896a1.03121...@posting.google.com>
>br...@indystart.com (Joebruno) wrote:

>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/

> What the smear agents won't tell you all:

Because it isn't true...

>1) I won that lawsuit-

Nope.

>the judgment against me was overturned

...on a technicality, a narrow jurisdictional issue.

>and the lawsuit was dismissed in my favor.

The verdict was overturned without prejudice, and the Findings of Fact
were upheld -- hardly in your favour.

>Also I was NEVER served with the lawsuit's "complaints" against me!

Sure you were. And then you were stupid enough to send it back marked
"Return to Stalker."

And *then* you were stupid enough to come here and *brag* about having
done so.

>(Neither myself NOR my attorney ever got copies of the
>complaints filed against me by Yale F. Edeiken the plaintiff.)

Of course, you didn't have a lawyer that put in an appearance until
after the original verdict was delivered, which may have something to
do with the latter.

<snip the Shame of Belleville, WY whining about his own
stupidity...>

>2) The complaints which neither I NOR my attorney were ever served with were
>filled with numerous libels and outright perjury with "evidence" against me
>being manufactured by the plaintiff (who was also his own attorney):

Of course, libel and perjury are actionable issues, and the Shame of
Belleville, MI has never even attempted to do anything about them --
mostly because truth is an absolute defense in such cases, and even
the single firing neuron the Shame of Belleville, OR can comprehend
that these allegations were found by the court to be Fact -- a finding
which is not changed an iota by the jurisdictional issue which
resulted in the verdict being overturned.

<snip the Shame of Belleville, the Free Lunar Colonies citing
himself in support of his lies.>

>3) The plaintiff illegally distributed my unlisted telephone number and address
>which he had used to make death threats against me. The subpoenaed information
>did NOT become "public knowledge" because it was NEVER turned over to the
>court-- rather instead the plaintiff posted my newly acquired address etc. to
>USENET with the invitation I get beaten with baseball bats!

Now *this* is actionable libel, given that you have no proof whatever
that Yale ever made any such posts.

<snip the Shame of Belleville, ME citing himself in support of his
lies>

>For a fact-- the attorney whose failed lawsuit against me is:
>1) Not a member of his local or state bar association

Which is an entirely voluntary membership.

>2) Not in the phone book under attorneys

Which advertising is entirely voluntary, too.

>3) Not associated with any law office though he tried to convince people he was
>and those two law offices denied having him as an associate and both claimed he
>used them as drops which explains why people can see the "C/O" in Edeiken's
>"legal" documents.

Of course, given the unending rants of the Shame of Belleville,
Ontario, if I ran a law office I would probably lie to him to get him
off my phone and make sure he never called back, too.

Now, SoB -- it's only been days since your lie about the outcome of
this lawsuit was completely rebutted (at your request, no less!) so
why are you still lying about it?

Roger

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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Wayne wrote
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<9b3068397262df0c...@news.1usenet.com>:

>That lawsuit was dismissed in his favor so who is stupid?

You, since it was not dismissed in his favour.

The verdict was overturned on a narrow jurisdictional issue without
prejudice, and without altering in any way the Findings of Fact, which
remain as Fact, the Shame of Belleville, NJ's rants notwithstanding

>You were partialy correct when you stated _Bradbury Linked To Stupidity_ and the
>stupidity linked to is a nizkor link. Now we all know McVay aka Mr. Nizkor is
>stupid.

Oooo! Such a telling neener!

James Seymour McTavish

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Dec 13, 2003, 10:08:10 PM12/13/03
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Au contraire but I do and I nailed the bastard royally too!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=n7726v4qoh4n02ajiohua8sgcj5cm3emvp%404ax.com&rnum=4
Subject: Criminal Death Threats Made Against Me by the Plaintiff (Who Was His
Own Attorney)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 14:51:19 -0600
Message-ID: <n7726v4qoh4n02aji...@4ax.com>

Be sure to let Kike Edeiken know I about this post and tell the criminal to
re-file his failed litigation in my jurisdiction and see what happens!

> <snip the Shame of Belleville, ME citing himself in support of his
> lies>

I am not the one who lied to a civil court. Your hero is the one who lied and
perjured himself!

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=&safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=bb59tvg62vsljf1rc...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Sara "The Fist" Salzman Won't Comment on These Forgeries - I Wonder
Why!.. aka Yale Edeiken Disciplined by The Disciplinary Board of the Supreme
Court of The State of Pennsylvania! NEVER FORGET!! R_1208
Message-ID: <bb59tvg62vsljf1rc...@4ax.com>
Date: 8 Dec 2003 15:15:21 GMT

>>For a fact-- the attorney whose failed lawsuit against me is:
>>1) Not a member of his local or state bar association
>
>Which is an entirely voluntary membership.

True BUT...

Would the bar association want as a member a fat bastard who smells like bacon
fat when he profusely sweats to be a member!? I bet they won't let that slug in
and he does have a bad reputation for being a kook too!

How about this?

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=rhi7cvsotqaj3t6btide56jdi44odj5oip%404ax.com&rnum=3&filter=0
Subject: Edeikook Follies #6 Yale F. Edeiken Goes on a Rampage at His County
Courthouse
Message-ID: <rhi7cvsotqaj3t6bt...@4ax.com>
Date: 15 May 2003 17:11:06 GMT

Here is what a local newspaper reported concerning one of the shyster
Yale F. Edeiken fits of rage at his own county courthouse and his e-mail
to me wailing about it being defamatory that it was posted. The truth hurts
doesn't it shyster!?

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3921e1e6.182032557%40news.newsguy.com&rnum=1
From: doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com (Doc Tavish)
Subject: CITY ATTORNEY FOUND GUILTY IN ELEVATOR CONFRONTATION
Date: 2000/05/17
Message-ID: <3921e1e6....@news.newsguy.com>

http://www.mcall.com/cgi-bin/slwebsto.cgi?DBLIST=mc90&DOCNUM=39046

Date: Wednesday, September 19, 1990
Page: B02
Edition: FIFTH
Section: LOCAL/REGION

Column:

Corrections:

Memo:

CITY ATTORNEY FOUND GUILTY IN ELEVATOR CONFRONTATION
by KRISTIN CASLER, The Morning Call

Allentown attorney Yale F. Edeiken was found guilty and fined $600 plus
costs for a confrontation with a Lehigh County deputy sheriff and another
man in a courthouse elevator.

During the June 12 incident, Edeiken struck Deputy Brenda Hartman with his
briefcase and allegedly threatened the man by saying he had a gun,
according to District Justice Diane Jepsen, who heard the case. Edeiken
later was found to have a permit for and was carrying a .357 Magnum.

Jepsen ordered Edeiken, whose office is at 39 N. 5th St., to pay the fine
after a hearing Monday on charges of harassment and disorderly conduct
filed by Hartman. Jepsen said Edeiken no longer has a permit for his gun.

According to the complaint, Hartman was in the courthouse side elevator,
which usually is reserved for prisoner transport, with Joanne Keller.
Keller, who was not handcuffed, had just been sentenced and Hartman was
taking her to pay fines and costs before her release.

Also on the elevator were Edeiken, David Raymond, public defender Earl
Supplee and county courier Bill Bichel.

Edeiken told Jepsen that Raymond, a convicted felon who had burglarized
him, pushed his way onto the elevator.

But Jepsen said other witnesses testified that Raymond already was on the
elevator when Edeiken boarded and started a shoving match. Witnesses
varied on what was said.

Witnesses said Edeiken called Hartman a whore, but Edeiken said he was
referring to Keller.

Raymond is a friend of Keller, and Keller once resided at a house owned by
Edeiken. Edeiken was at the courthouse as a character witness for Keller
at her sentencing.

Edeiken swung his briefcase at Raymond, striking him and Hartman,
according to testimony.

Hartman opened the elevator doors on the third floor and ordered Edeiken
to get out. He refused, and as Raymond attempted to exit, Edeiken told
Raymond he had a gun and moved as if he was going to draw it. No weapon
was seen.

Raymond and Supplee then went downstairs for help, and Hartman took
Edeiken and Keller to the bullpen where prisoners are held pending their
proceedings, Jepsen said. Hartman told them to stay until she got help.
When she returned, Edeiken was gone.

---end---

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=6nnnjts00vnb4kfovfuekvejvq8k7pau4j%404ax.com&rnum=5
Subject: How Can I Retract What an Allentown Newspaper Reported and has Been
"Admitted as Fact?" IT'S THEIR WORDS NOT MINE!!!!
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 20:53:26 -0500
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This publication contains defamatory material.

An immediate retraction is demanded.

<<Doc Tavish comment June 28, 2001: Take it up with The Morning Call- they
reported your shoving match and resultant conviction. I am only showing the
link to their archive which has (excerpt) as text...>>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Insight on why Yale "Tubby" Edeiken had a major meltdown in front of law
enforcement and other courthouse visitors:

Special Note: Yale F. Edeiken Esq. of Allentown, Pennsylvania- Supreme Court
ID# 40290 has falsely asserted he was associated with the two law firms
mentioned below-- Todd Miller & Associates and Trainor Law Offices. Both law
firms told me first hand that Yale F. Edeiken was never an attorney at their
firms!! That is fact!

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=SH9g7.634%247d....@newshog.newsread.com&lr=&hl=en
From: "Yale F. Edeiken" <ya...@enter.net>
Subject: Re: The Common Thread To All These Cancel Announcements...
Message-ID: <SH9g7.634$7d.2...@newshog.newsread.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:06:26 GMT

Defendant Bradshit <rdoc_...@my-deja.cpm, tavi...@ix.netcom,com> wrote
in message news:7lp1otkrsh37k7ioi...@4ax.com...

[...]

> Care to tell all of us why both Todd Miller and Paul Trainor distanced
> themselves from you

Because they were dealing with someone who was "mentally unstable"
(their dscription) and a "crazy man" (again, their description) who they
wanted to go away as quckly as possible.

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

Compare what Yale said on August 20, 2001 concerning two law firms attitudes
toward his presence with his own words: "they were dealing with someone who was
"mentally unstable" (their dscription) and a "crazy man" (again, their
description) who they wanted to go away as quckly as possible" to this which was
posted July 4, 2000: "Tubby has no respect from the legal community and as a
whole they wish he'd just waddle away."
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=20000704143439.5399.qmail%40nym.alias.net&rnum=4
From: SoloP...@nym.alias.net
Subject: Yale _Tubby_ Edeiken
Date: 2000/07/04
Message-ID: <200007041434...@nym.alias.net>

Here's the latest intel on Yale Edeiken. I just got back from a
tour of Allentown and I asked a few casual questions here and there and I
learned very much. Yale is better known as "Tubby" around the Lehigh
County Courthouse by many people. He is described as a most comical
personage when he waddles into the court room in his hastily not color
matched suit. His court room manner is about as spectacular as his nerdy
dress.

Tubby has a history of counseling by psychologists and he is described as
a loner who carries a chip on his shoulder. Tubby is better known as a
third rate lawyer who is only hired by those who can't get a hearing from
more "mainstream" attorneys. Tubby can only represent those types who will
sue their neighbor because the neighbor's dog shits in their yard. Tubby
is also known for filing lawsuits for the most trivial reasons. Most
judges have no respect for Tubby and they don't seem to pay him any mind
except for when he has his seizures of uncontrolled fits of anger. It's
been more than a few times when Tubby has been ordered to contain himself
by a judge.

Tubby has no respect from the legal community and as a whole they wish
he'd just waddle away. Tubby is the laughing stock of the Lehigh
County Courthouse.

FYI

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

For a fact the information above was verified by two attorneys, two courthouse
employees, and one member of law enforcement. Would anyone of you want "Tubby"
as your attorney or law partner?

More Tubby Lunacy:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=54qips%24asl%40news.enter.net&rnum=1
From: ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) <NIZKOR.ORG's Attorney General>
Subject: Re: The Malady with Malmedy
Date: 1996/10/25
Message-ID: <54qips$a...@news.enter.net>
"The facts are that your nazi heroes lined up disarmed prisoners and
machined-gunned them to death. When they had finished they went over the their
victims and finished off the wounded. Only a few survived." <END>

IOW Nazis are accused of doing to unarmed prisoners: "machine-gunned them to
DEATH" and "only a few survived". Most amusing. If someone is dead then how do
some of them survive? (Thanks to Matt Giwer for the above Edeikook guffaw.)

Tubby also always liked calling me Defendant Bradshit which is another reason
why he lost his frivolous lawsuit against me. Yale was his own attorney and he
was a Plaintiff against me. His lawsuit failed as well as his appeal. He's a
shyster who abuses the legal system, he's a perjurer who files lawsuits and
never serves the Defendants with his complaints and manufactures evidence
against his "victims" and he refers to what he does to people as giving them the
"treatment." Neither his local Districy=t Attorney, NOR the State Attorney
General, NOR the Disciplinary Board of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania will do
a damned thing about his obvious legal system abuse which is fully documented in
these archives:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&selm=aomv4vofhbl2q46bqk2lvf3k7q0umn1l4l%404ax.com
Subject: RE Dismissal of 1999-C-2786 Edeiken Vs Bradbury R_0216
Message-ID: <aomv4vofhbl2q46bq...@4ax.com>

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&selm=3bmv4vc9u4kh2qs4v84aek0qsbfhb5eul8%404ax.com


Subject: Test this, David Michael aka Ken McVay's "Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1" Is
Filled With Lies and Perjury...
Message-ID: <3bmv4vc9u4kh2qs4v...@4ax.com>

<END>

>>2) Not in the phone book under attorneys
>
>Which advertising is entirely voluntary, too.

He's not in the phone book period!!

>>3) Not associated with any law office though he tried to convince people he was
>>and those two law offices denied having him as an associate and both claimed he
>>used them as drops which explains why people can see the "C/O" in Edeiken's
>>"legal" documents.
>
>Of course, given the unending rants of the Shame of Belleville,
>Ontario, if I ran a law office I would probably lie to him to get him
>off my phone and make sure he never called back, too.

So you admit to being a liar to achieve your means! No wonder why you and Yale
are such good pals!

>Now, SoB -- it's only been days since your lie about the outcome of
>this lawsuit was completely rebutted (at your request, no less!) so
>why are you still lying about it?

How have I lied? It was dismissed in my favor which you kooks will never get
over!

What the smear agents won't tell you all:

1) I won that lawsuit- the judgment against me was overturned and the lawsuit
was dismissed in my favor. Also I was NEVER served with the lawsuit's
"complaints" against me! (Neither myself NOR my attorney ever got copies of the
complaints filed against me by Yale F. Edeiken the plaintiff.) How could I have
possibly answered the accusations when I was never served with them? I was not
given my day in court. The victory Yale got was only temporary and the fact he
was unethical and very dishonest proves what sort of scoundrel it was who abused
the legal system for a personal vendetta against someone (Me) who daily made him
look stupid and showed him for the liar he is.)
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&selm=aomv4vofhbl2q46bqk2lvf3k7q0umn1l4l%404ax.com
Subject: RE Dismissal of 1999-C-2786 Edeiken Vs Bradbury R_0216
Message-ID: <aomv4vofhbl2q46bq...@4ax.com>

2) The complaints which neither I NOR my attorney were ever served with were
filled with numerous libels and outright perjury with "evidence" against me
being manufactured by the plaintiff (who was also his own attorney):

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&selm=3bmv4vc9u4kh2qs4v84aek0qsbfhb5eul8%404ax.com
Subject: Test this, David Michael aka Ken McVay's "Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1" Is
Filled With Lies and Perjury...
Message-ID: <3bmv4vc9u4kh2qs4v...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=d0ic0v81gdhrd1djqe4k4k2mnvq4c4sdi5%404ax.com&rnum=4
Subject: "Criminally Perjured Sworn Testimony" at the Web Site of Peter
Outerbridge aka Paul Kneisel (He Supports Lies So He Can Use Them To Smear Me)
Message-ID: <d0ic0v81gdhrd1djq...@4ax.com>

3) The plaintiff illegally distributed my unlisted telephone number and address
which he had used to make death threats against me. The subpoenaed information
did NOT become "public knowledge" because it was NEVER turned over to the
court-- rather instead the plaintiff posted my newly acquired address etc. to
USENET with the invitation I get beaten with baseball bats!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=gsk76vcng7f0cugmimalglbno6bmgmslhk%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Yale F. Edeiken Admits Sending Death Threats Over The Internet is a
Federal Crime (Which He Has Done!)
Message-ID: <gsk76vcng7f0cugmi...@4ax.com>

For a fact-- the attorney whose failed lawsuit against me is:
1) Not a member of his local or state bar association

2) Not in the phone book under attorneys

3) Not associated with any law office though he tried to convince people he was
and those two law offices denied having him as an associate and both claimed he
used them as drops which explains why people can see the "C/O" in Edeiken's
"legal" documents.

Now go fist yourself Roger and Sara can instruct you on how to do it!

Tavish

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Date: 12 Dec 2003 22:57:48 GMT

Sara Salzman

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In article <p2kntvs21dvuurutf...@4ax.com>,

> tvg62vsljf1rcki...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en

But this verdict WAS OVERTURNED, Mr. Double Standard.

And that has been pointed out to you numerous times.

So try again.

Sara

--
-My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call
is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong
you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!
-I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and
the bulk of my posts prove so! You can't discern the difference.
BTW my name is not Fatboy you stupid kike.
--Scott Bradbury, who completely misses the irony of the above

Roger

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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be James Seymour McTavish wrote
in message <p2kntvs21dvuurutf...@4ax.com>:

Nope.

the single firing neuron of the Shame of Belleville, OR can comprehend


that these allegations were found by the court to be Fact -- a finding
which is not changed an iota by the jurisdictional issue which
resulted in the verdict being overturned.

<snip the Shame of Belleville, the Free Lunar Colonies citing
himself in support of his lies.>

>>>3) The plaintiff illegally distributed my unlisted telephone number and address
>>>which he had used to make death threats against me. The subpoenaed information
>>>did NOT become "public knowledge" because it was NEVER turned over to the
>>>court-- rather instead the plaintiff posted my newly acquired address etc. to
>>>USENET with the invitation I get beaten with baseball bats!

>>Now *this* is actionable libel, given that you have no proof whatever
>>that Yale ever made any such posts.

>Au contraire but I do and I nailed the bastard royally too!

No, you don't

<snip the Shame of Belleville, ME citing himself in support of his
lies>

>I am not the one who lied to a civil court. Your hero is the one who lied and
>perjured himself!

Yale is hardly my hero, and the Findings of Fact stand.

>>>For a fact-- the attorney whose failed lawsuit against me is:
>>>1) Not a member of his local or state bar association

>>Which is an entirely voluntary membership.

>True BUT...

<snip irrelevancy>

So, are you going to stop trying to imply that there is something
*wrong* with not being a member of these organizations?

>Here is what a local newspaper reported concerning one of the shyster
>Yale F. Edeiken fits of rage at his own county courthouse and his e-mail
>to me wailing about it being defamatory that it was posted. The truth hurts
>doesn't it shyster!?

You mean the truth that the facts of this case *were* found to be in
Yale's favour unlike the Findings of Fact in your case, and the case
was thrown out with prejudice (meaning it cannot be refiled) again
unlike you case?

>Compare what Yale said on August 20, 2001 concerning two law firms attitudes
>toward his presence with his own words: "they were dealing with someone who was
>"mentally unstable" (their dscription) and a "crazy man" (again, their
>description) who they wanted to go away as quckly as possible" to this which was
>posted July 4, 2000: "Tubby has no respect from the legal community and as a
>whole they wish he'd just waddle away."

There is no comparison between honest statements by officers of the
court and a smear posted by an anonocoward from Arkansas who turned on
you and sent you whining to Sara?


>For a fact the information above was verified by two attorneys, two courthouse
>employees, and one member of law enforcement. Would anyone of you want "Tubby"
>as your attorney or law partner?

For a fact it was not -- it was "verified" by the same anonocoward
that left you hanging out to dry.


>Tubby also always liked calling me Defendant Bradshit which is another reason
>why he lost his frivolous lawsuit against me.

1. He did not lose the lawsuit, the verdict was overturned without
prejudice.

2. It was overturned *solely* on a narrow jurisdictional issue,
nothing else.

3. This has been explained ad nauseum to you, and yet you continue to
lie about it.

<snip SoB rant>

>>>2) Not in the phone book under attorneys

>>Which advertising is entirely voluntary, too.

>He's not in the phone book period!!

And everyone is, of course, required to be...

>>>3) Not associated with any law office though he tried to convince people he was
>>>and those two law offices denied having him as an associate and both claimed he
>>>used them as drops which explains why people can see the "C/O" in Edeiken's
>>>"legal" documents.

>>Of course, given the unending rants of the Shame of Belleville,
>>Ontario, if I ran a law office I would probably lie to him to get him
>>off my phone and make sure he never called back, too.

>So you admit to being a liar to achieve your means! No wonder why you and Yale
>are such good pals!

No, I admit that *they* lied to you, and that I would consider it.
The only one actively lying here and now is *you*.

>>Now, SoB -- it's only been days since your lie about the outcome of
>>this lawsuit was completely rebutted (at your request, no less!) so
>>why are you still lying about it?

>How have I lied? It was dismissed in my favor which you kooks will never get
>over!

No, it wasn't. It was overturned on a technicality without prejudice,
and the Findings of Fact remain which are most definitely *not* in
your favour.

Snip repetition of lies>

>Now go fist yourself Roger and Sara can instruct you on how to do it!

Sure am glad that the Shame of Belleville, SC doesn't engage in
personal attacks...

James Seymour McTavish

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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:49:54 -0700,
<catamont-F2837C...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=rhi7cvsotqaj3t6btide56jdi44odj5oip%404ax.com&rnum=3&filter=0


>> Subject: Edeikook Follies #6 Yale F. Edeiken Goes on a Rampage at His County
>> Courthouse
>> Message-ID: <rhi7cvsotqaj3t6bt...@4ax.com>
>> Date: 15 May 2003 17:11:06 GMT
>>
>> Here is what a local newspaper reported concerning one of the shyster
>> Yale F. Edeiken fits of rage at his own county courthouse and his e-mail
>> to me wailing about it being defamatory that it was posted. The truth hurts
>> doesn't it shyster!?
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3921e1e6.182032557%40news.newsguy.com&rnum=1
>> From: doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com (Doc Tavish)
>> Subject: CITY ATTORNEY FOUND GUILTY IN ELEVATOR CONFRONTATION
>> Date: 2000/05/17
>> Message-ID: <3921e1e6....@news.newsguy.com>
>>
>> http://www.mcall.com/cgi-bin/slwebsto.cgi?DBLIST=mc90&DOCNUM=39046
>>
>> Date: Wednesday, September 19, 1990
>> Page: B02
>> Edition: FIFTH
>> Section: LOCAL/REGION
>>
>> Column:
>>
>> Corrections:
>>
>> Memo:
>>
>> CITY ATTORNEY FOUND GUILTY IN ELEVATOR CONFRONTATION
>> by KRISTIN CASLER, The Morning Call

What the Jewish swine deleted:

CITY ATTORNEY FOUND GUILTY IN ELEVATOR CONFRONTATION
by KRISTIN CASLER, The Morning Call

Allentown attorney Yale F. Edeiken was found guilty and fined $600 plus

---end---


>But this verdict WAS OVERTURNED,

He still did it and it was one of Yale's fellow Jews who overturned the verdict
of a gentile!!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=OyHG4.1031%245e.96249%40newshog.newsread.com&rnum=1


From: "Yale F. Edeiken" <ya...@enter.net>

Subject: Re: CITY ATTORNEY FOUND GUILTY IN ELEVATOR CONFRONTATION
Date: 2000/04/05
Message-ID: <OyHG4.1031$5e.9...@newshog.newsread.com>#1/1
References: <000c2cb8...@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com>

Brimstone <mr_brimsto...@excite.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:000c2cb8...@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com...


> CITY ATTORNEY FOUND GUILTY IN ELEVATOR CONFRONTATION

> Allentown attorney Yale F. Edeiken was found guilty and fined
> $600 plus costs for a confrontation with a Lehigh County deputy
> sheriff and another man in a courthouse elevator.


Which did not note that the charges were dismissed by Judge Mellenberg
when it was proved that the "vicitm" had just been convicted of burglarizing
my house and had threatened me.

--YFE
~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

Archived locally as: JewFavorsJew

Notice that Yale claimed: "..dismissed by Judge Mellenberg when it was proved
that the "vicitm" had just been convicted of burglarizing my house.."

I didn't know Deputy Brenda Hartman who "Edeiken struck with his briefcase" had
"had just been convicted of burglarizing [his] house"!

>Mr. Double Standard.

Where's the double standard you lying whore!? Yale did what he did and there
were plenty of witnesses OTOH I didn't do what Yale accused me of and he
fabricated evidence against me and the case against me was dismissed.
BIG DIFFERENCE YOU STUPID PIG!!

>And that has been pointed out to you numerous times.

Nope it hasn't!

BTW Yale did what he did and there is no doubt and Yale got off because of
cronyism and having a Jew dismiss a gentile's judgment and we al know the
standards Jews want for justice don't we?

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=720&letter=C
(Archived locally as: CONFLICT_OF_LAWS)
Jewishencyclopedia.com
CONFLICT OF LAWS:
By : Executive Committee of the Editorial Board. Julius H. Greenstone

In civil cases the following rules were established by the Rabbis.

1. In suits between two Israelites the law of the place where the contract was
made governs, or, if the place is not mentioned in the contract, the law of the
place where the case is tried rules (B. M. 83a; Ket. 110b; "Yad," Ishut, xxiii.
12; ?oshen Mishpa?, 42, 14, 15; Eben ha-'Ezer, 117, 19, Isserles' gloss).

2. In suits between non-Jews the law of the land or the Jewish law—to whichever
the parties submit themselves—governs ("Yad," Melakim, x. 12).

3. In matters between a Jew and a non-Jew the suit is decided according to the
law of the land or according to the Jewish law, that system being chosen which
favors the Jew... <END>

Does the above need any explanation!?!?

Here are excerpts from a previous post of mine:

1: Interview with the Lubavitcher Rebbe
Torah the answers to their struggles and concerns. Throughout his years
of leadership, beginning in 1950, the Rebbe, in his inimitable style, applied
the depths of Torah scholarship to virtually every area of life.... (18K)

Excerpt: " This afternoon we heard a lecture by Dr. Block in which he explained
that a Jew has a Divine spark. He didn't say explicitly, but he intimated that
only a Jew has this Divine spark but a non-Jew does not...

--------

And those who repose in the dust will arise and sing." Sichos In English
22 Shvat, 5755 THREE INTERPRETATIONS THREE CATEGORIES OF MITZVOS
On the verse: [1] "These are the judgments which you shall place before
them,"... (27K)

Excerpt: " With regard to eidus, and surely with regard to chukim, there is no
need to forewarn against approaching non-Jewish judges, for it is plainly
obvious that non-Jewish judges do not share any connection to these matters.
Their rulings depend on human intellect, and they have no connection to subjects
which transcend human intellect."

--------

Tanya (Regular Year): 12 Mar Cheshvan
Vitebsk (or Horodok), who had settled in the Holy Land in 1777. It concludes by
rousing them to the mitzvah of tzedakah in general, and particularly of
maintaining the family of R. Mendel. The Alter Rebbe is here...

Excerpt: " [This alludes to the Chayah of the tzaddik, the soul-level which is
even loftier than the soul-level called Neshamah, and which infuses the
followers of the tzaddik with a transcendent mode of life-force which enables
them to withstand challenges from non-Jewish (i.e., unholy) sources."

--------

The Jewish Soul and the Non-Jewish Soul
Kabbalah teaches that every human soul possesses a full array of ten sefirot, or
spiritual powers. The first three spiritual powers are intellectual in nature
while the following seven are emotional in nature. In...

Excerpt: "The Jewish Soul and the Non-Jewish Soul The Jewish Soul and the
Non-Jewish Soul In the Jewish, Divine soul, the three powers of the intellect
are its primary motivating force. In the soul of the non-Jew, the seven emotive
powers are its primary motivating force. In the innate state of the non-Jewish
soul the three intellectual powers are subordinate, and serve the earthbound
desires of the seven emotive powers."

The above proves what the Seed of Satan represent!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=vd01cvsh9ta3ep7b3crfru9ce2rb0snnls%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Children of the Devil and Anti-Christ[s] Positively Identified Using
Scripture-- Check The Proofs For Yourselves! V2.0
Message-ID: <vd01cvsh9ta3ep7b3...@4ax.com>
Date: 13 May 2003 05:29:00 GMT

>So try again.
>
>Sara

Go fist yourself you dirty whore!

Tavish

Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:
From: ssch...@infinet.com Sara Schwartz
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Fist Fucking
:
By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.
Says so right on the label.
We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.
Your mileage may, of course, vary.
Perrrfect
--
It never rains under my umbrella
~~End~~

Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:
From: ssch...@infinet.com Sara Schwartz
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:
> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.
I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience. <END>
Imagine the person in these photos assuming the "duck" position
and "fisting" herself!
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/2/image.gif
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=s70dcvgs3eucqd31n81gqo5e21uj7vvg67%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Sara "The Fist" Salzman - A Compilation of Her Better Known Literary
Works and Opinions
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 13:35:49 -0500
Message-ID: <s70dcvgs3eucqd31n...@4ax.com>

Sara Salzman

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Dec 14, 2003, 12:22:40 AM12/14/03
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In article <71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com>,

James Seymour McTavish <JS_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:

[same old same old deleted]

>
> Go fist yourself you dirty whore!

I sure am glad Mr. Bradbury doesn't engage in personal attacks.

[FORGED AND ALTERED POSTS DELETED]

Joebruno

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Dec 14, 2003, 5:01:48 AM12/14/03
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wayne@. (Wayne) wrote in message news:<9b3068397262df0c...@news.1usenet.com>...

> On 13 Dec 2003 17:15:34 -0800, <bf3896a1.03121...@posting.google.com>
> br...@indystart.com (Joebruno) wrote:
>
> >http:
>
> That lawsuit was dismissed in his favor so who is stupid?

It was not dismissed in his favor.It was dismissed on a technicality,
idiot.
He did not win on the facts of the case, you fucking idiot.


>
> You were partialy correct when you stated _Bradbury Linked To Stupidity_ and the
> stupidity linked to is a nizkor link. Now we all know McVay aka Mr. Nizkor is
> stupid.

There is no "Mr Nizkor", you idiot, and Ken McVay had nothing to do
with the lawsuit, you fucking ignoramus. You're more than just
ignorant-you're a pathetically inept liar, too.

James Gregory McTavish

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Dec 14, 2003, 9:29:16 AM12/14/03
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:44:52 GMT,
<eb74bd22c86ba818...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:

>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be Wayne wrote
> in message
><9b3068397262df0c...@news.1usenet.com>:
>
>
>>That lawsuit was dismissed in his favor so who is stupid?
>
>You, since it was not dismissed in his favour.

What do you call this Roger?

CLERK OF COURTS OF LEHIGH COUNTY - CIVIL DIVISION
Lehigh County Courthouse
455 W. Hamilton Street
Allentown, PA 18101-1614
RE: Edeiken Vs Bradbury 1999-C-2786

Partial text of letter from Judge Reibman:

<START>

Copies of this order were mailed to all counsel of record and pro se litigants.

CC: Counsel for Plaintiff (Yale F. Edeiken): Yale F. Edeiken Esq.
Counsel for Defendant (Scott Bradbury) : Daylin B. Leach Esq.

ORDER

AND NOW, this 12th day of June, 2001, upon consideration of Defendant's
Petition for Relief from Judgment, filed on September 22, 2000,
Plaintiff's response thereto, and argument thereon on February 7, 2001,

IT IS ORDERED said petition is GRANTED, and the case is DISMISSED.

[...]

BY THE COURT:
(Signed) Edward J. Reibman, J.

<STOP>

Looks like the court ruled in my favor to me! Yale even lost his appeal as well!
Looks like I was victorious twice!

<START>

September 26, 2001

Yale F. Edeiken
918 N Bayard Street
Allentown, PA 18104-3759

RE: Yale F. Edeiken, Appellant v. Scott Bradbury et al
1714 EDA 2001

Dear Mr. Edeiken:

This is to advise that the attached Order has been entered in the
above- captioned matters.

A Certified Copy of this Order together with the record will be
sent to the Prothonotary of Lehigh County in due course.

Very truly yours,

(Signed)
David A. Szewczak
Prothonotary

DAS/dag
Attachment
CC: Daylin B. Leach, Esquire
Scott Bradbury
Honorable Edward D. Reibman

The Attachment:

<Start>

Superior Court of Pennsylvania
Eastern District Office

Yale F. Edeiken APPELLANT No. 1714 EDA 2001

V.

Scott Bradbury Et Al C.P. Civil Lehigh County
99-C-2786

ORDER

AND NOW, this 26th day of September, 2001, the within
appeal is DISMISSED for failure to file a brief."

PER CURIAM

<STOP>

The prudent question to why Yale failed to file his brief is answered in this
archive which shows his motive for legal system abuse and how serious he was NOT
in litigating me!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=sq4v2us0odig5nhq79f6crk7a2e7lsqh1s%404ax.com&rnum=6&filter=0
Subject: Why Yale F. Edeiken LOST His Appeal..
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:30:59 -0600
Message-ID: <sq4v2us0odig5nhq7...@4ax.com>
--Yale also knew if his lawsuit was re-opened and started again from square one
that I would expose his perjury! Remember neither my attorney nor myself were
ever given copies of Yale's perjured fabricated complaints (many are documented
in this archive):


http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&selm=3bmv4vc9u4kh2qs4v84aek0qsbfhb5eul8%404ax.com
Subject: Test this, David Michael aka Ken McVay's "Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1" Is
Filled With Lies and Perjury...
Message-ID: <3bmv4vc9u4kh2qs4v...@4ax.com>

>The verdict was overturned on a narrow jurisdictional issue without


>prejudice, and without altering in any way the Findings of Fact,

Findings of Fact? BULL SHIT!! I was never given my chance to refute that evil
bastard's lies! If his lawsuit had so much merit then why didn't he file his
brief for his appeal? Why didn't he re-file it in the proper jurisdiction then
if jurisdiction is the sole issue!? Answer that Roger and once again to your
shame:

CLERK OF COURTS OF LEHIGH COUNTY - CIVIL DIVISION
Lehigh County Courthouse
455 W. Hamilton Street
Allentown, PA 18101-1614
RE: Edeiken Vs Bradbury 1999-C-2786

Filed September 22, 2000
PETTION FOR RELIEF FROM JUDGMENT
COMES NOW, the defendant, Scott Bradbury, by and through his counsel Daylin B.
Leach, Esquire, to petition this honorable court for Relief from Judgment,
pursuant to Pa. R.C.P. 237.3. In support of this petition, the defendant avers
the following:
On August 25, 2000, the Plaintiff filed a Praecipe for Default Judgment with
this court. A true and correct copy of which is hereto and marked as "Exhibit
A."
Since a complaint has never been filed or served, the defendant is unable to
attach a copy of preliminary objections he would file if the judgment was opened
pursuant to Pa.R.C.P. 237.3 (a).

"[The] plaintiff engage[d] in a vendetta against the defendant. The court has
heard telephone messages left on the defendant's answering machine, in which
the plaintiff admits dedicating himself to making the defendant's life a "living
hell." He refers to the defendant as a "miserable piece of shit" among other
charming epithets. The defendant's private medical information, subpoenaed by
Mr. Edeiken finds its way onto the Internet. Even after the defendant is
represented by counsel, mail is still sent directly to the defendant addressed
to "Defendant Bradbury." ...When attorney Leach asked Mr. Edeiken for a copy of
the complaint when he first becomes involved in the case, he is told "Fuck You"
via e-mail. In plain English, this is not a lawsuit, it is a bizarre war waged
by Mr. Edeiken on a man he has never met. The court should not be a party to
this."
Respectfully submitted
Daylin B. Leach Esquire
<END>

The key statements above were: "Since a complaint has never been filed or
served, the defendant is unable to attach a copy of preliminary objections he
would file if the judgment was opened pursuant to Pa.R.C.P. 237.3 (a)." AND
"When attorney Leach asked Mr. Edeiken for a copy of the complaint when he first
becomes involved in the case, he is told "Fuck You" via e-mail." IOW I was not
given my right to due process by Edeiken to defend myself from his numerous
documented perjurious accusations and some are detailed here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&selm=ja362v4amltqohp97uo053rju5erbf80qr%404ax.com
Subject: Ken McVay's "Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1" Is Filled With Lies and Perjury...
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:23:54 -0600
Message-ID: <ja362v4amltqohp97...@4ax.com>

Truth and fair play haven't ever been traits Yale F. Edeiken nor his supporters
have ever believed in or practiced!!

BTW Shyster Edeiken tried the same legal system abuse on another person too and
failed as wel! Read about it here:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ht5ucvcf5slhll9gmfpojbsche5090ldm6%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: David Michael Came Very Close to Getting The "TREATMENT" Shyster Yale
F. Edeiken Gave Me! aka Re: Bradbury Misses The Point (Again)
Message-ID: <ht5ucvcf5slhll9gm...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 May 2003 07:09:57 GMT
David Michael never served!!
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=39BBB347...@onetel.net.uk&lr=&hl=en
Message-ID: <39BBB347...@onetel.net.uk>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:13:59 +0100
From: david_michael <david_...@onetel.net.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: The other Edeiken lawsuit

IOW your hero never would serve his complaints on David or his attorney! Some
root'n'tootin' shyster Edeiken is! Edeiken did however tried to get David's
address and telephone number!! I wonder why!!!

>which remain as Fact,

Fabrications and perjury are never Fact Roger BUT you will never get the sense
of it and for you to keep beating a dead horse namely a lawsuit filed by man of
ill repute in his legal community shows you to be fool you are!

By all means do your best to get the filthy kike to re-file it in my
jutrisdiction and see what hapens. Perjury s a criminal offense and he will get
prosecujted in my home town! TELL THE FILTHY DIRTY SNEAKY KIKE TO REFILE!

>the Shame of

Yale "The Waddler" Edeiken is the Shame of Allentown, Pennsylvania!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=rhi7cvsotqaj3t6btide56jdi44odj5oip%404ax.com&rnum=3&filter=0
Subject: Edeikook Follies #6 Yale F. Edeiken Goes on a Rampage at His County
Courthouse
Message-ID: <rhi7cvsotqaj3t6bt...@4ax.com>
Date: 15 May 2003 17:11:06 GMT

http://padisciplinaryboard.org/attdiscdcd.php?id=40290
(Link active October 29, 2003. Archived locally as: shyster_censured)

Attorney ID - 40290
Edeiken, Yale F.
Pennsylvania Supreme Court Attorney Inquiry
Attorney ID Case County District
40290 122 DB 95 Lehigh II Public Censure Administered 10/20/98
^^^^^^^^^
<STOP>

A PDF file is available which gives a report on the above
122 DB 95 against Shyster Yale Fatso Edeiken:
http://padisciplinaryboard.org/attopinion.php?case=122DB95
^^^^^^^
http://www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPosting/disciplinaryboard/dboardopinions/122DB95.RPT.pdf
(Link active October 28, 2003. Archived locally as: "Edeiken_Gets_His" and
122DB95.RPT)

>>You were partialy correct when you stated _Bradbury Linked To Stupidity_ and the
>>stupidity linked to is a nizkor link. Now we all know McVay aka Mr. Nizkor is
>>stupid.
>
>Oooo! Such a telling neener!

He's correct!

Tavish

Special Note: Yale F. Edeiken Esq. of Allentown, Pennsylvania- Supreme Court
ID# 40290 has falsely asserted he was associated with the two law firms
mentioned below-- Todd Miller & Associates and Trainor Law Offices. Both law
firms told me first hand that Yale F. Edeiken was never an attorney at their
firms!! That is fact!

(Archived locally as: YaleTheNut)
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=SH9g7.634%247d....@newshog.newsread.com&lr=&hl=en


From: "Yale F. Edeiken" <ya...@enter.net>

Subject: Re: The Common Thread To All These Cancel Announcements...
Message-ID: <SH9g7.634$7d.2...@newshog.newsread.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:06:26 GMT

Defendant Bradshit <rdoc_...@my-deja.cpm, tavi...@ix.netcom,com> wrote
in message news:7lp1otkrsh37k7ioi...@4ax.com...

[...]

> Care to tell all of us why both Todd Miller and Paul Trainor distanced
> themselves from you

Because they were dealing with someone who was "mentally unstable"


(their dscription) and a "crazy man" (again, their description) who they

wanted to go away as quckly as possible.

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

Compare what Yale said on August 20, 2001 concerning two law firms attitudes


toward his presence with his own words: "they were dealing with someone who was
"mentally unstable" (their dscription) and a "crazy man" (again, their
description) who they wanted to go away as quckly as possible" to this which was
posted July 4, 2000: "Tubby has no respect from the legal community and as a
whole they wish he'd just waddle away."

_______________________________________________________________________________

James Gregory McTavish

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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:22:40 -0700,
<catamont-ACC409...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>In article <71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com>,
> James Seymour McTavish <JS_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:
>
>[same old same old deleted]
>
>>
>> Go fist yourself you dirty whore!
>
>I sure am glad Mr. Bradbury doesn't engage in personal attacks.

I will speak to a lying perjurious whore bitch such as you in any manner I so
choose! You try to defame me with my local community, you bore false witness
against me in a trumped up lawsuit your pimp waged against me and lost, you also
distributed my address and telephone number, you continually quote me out of
context, you continually try to distance yourself from your sado-masochistic
personality disorder etc, YOU ARE A FILTHY PIG!!!!

>
>[FORGED AND ALTERED POSTS DELETED]

They aren't forged and I have already proved that you lied about it too! You
went from saying "consensual sex" to that the posts don't exist and were
e-mailed to me!

Here is where I nailed you pig:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=haihtvg8t3vv379bv32p6tbhuir8ofdujp%404ax.com&rnum=1
Message-ID: <haihtvg8t3vv379bv...@4ax.com>

Once again to your shame Sara The Fister:

>Sara


>
>-My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call
>is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong
>you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!

Notice I called Art Tandy a lying Jew Bastard (which he is) AFTER I had my fill
of his continual verbal abuse! I guess you expect me to not respond to such
abuse in the manner I did which is another reason why Jews are despised. Most
people hate double standards!

The above exchange was a result of this:
<start/quote>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ple4cv8432qih0sft30s5tqi7junbkc0c3%404ax.com&rnum=4
Subject: Re: Anti-Gun Organizations are Jewish ...
Message-ID: <ple4cv8432qih0sft...@4ax.com>
References: <abf0ff5d.03051...@posting.google.com>
On 13 May 2003 21:18:58 -0700, <abf0ff5d.03051...@posting.google.com>
tar...@indystart.com (knight57) wrote:

><deleted unreliable bullshit by the psychotic and chronic liar named
>Fatbury Scumbag>

My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call is all
a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong you dirty filthy

lying Jew bastard! <END>
------------------------
Rather than dealing in facts your Jew decided he would rather engage in
name calling and chose to ignore my proofs and it is all fully documented here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=rtasbv05mohed914ktef95j9dh3kc11dmr%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Arthur J. Tandy in Denial About Who The Main Gun Grabbers Are!
Message-ID: <rtasbv05mohed914k...@4ax.com>
Date: 11 May 2003 11:35:17 GMT (Archived as: AJT1)
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=kf6dcv8pgph2v568bnlhda66md7d4q8bg0%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Arthur J. Tandy's Fellow Jews Are Trying to Extend Their Gun Control!
Message-ID: <kf6dcv8pgph2v568b...@4ax.com>
Date: 11 May 2003 11:35:17 GMT (Archived as: AJT2)
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ple4cv8432qih0sft30s5tqi7junbkc0c3%404ax.com&rnum=4
Subject: Re: Anti-Gun Organizations are Jewish (Classic Repost from January 17,
1997) Message-ID: <ple4cv8432qih0sft...@4ax.com>
Date: 14 May 2003 13:23:47 GMT (Archived as: AJT3)
<end/quote>

>-I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and
>the bulk of my posts prove so!

Still TRUE and my original postings as a whole are not personal attacks!
The greater majority of Art Tandy's posts are name calling and personal
attacks which seems to be a very common method of reply by Jews and their
gentile USEFUL IDIOTS! Anyone reading the above three archives will see me
presenting many documented facts and in every case Art Tandy would reply
with: "I deny it, you ignorant fat piece of lying shit.. You are a fat lying
ignorant fuck.. Fatboy Turns Blind and runs Away from the Issue.. I am
telling the TRUTH, something you cannot do very well, fatscum.. That
doesn't prove all Jews support gun control, you fucking moron. Your
logic is ridiculous and you are a stupid degenerate lowlife... <deleted
unreliable bullshit by the psychotic and chronic liar named Fatbury Scumbag>"

>You can't discern the difference.
>BTW my name is not Fatboy you stupid kike.

Who called names first? It is Okay for Jews to hurl abuse in post after post but
when the recipient gets tired of it and calls the bastard a KIKE then you think
it is ironic or hypocritical. If you Jews don't like being called kikes, swine,
vermin etc, then STOP calling everyone you can't refute names!

> --Scott Bradbury, who completely misses the irony of the above

No, there is no irony. I will call you obnoxious Jews what you are every time
I've had my abundant fill of your Chutzpa or name calling! If you don't want me
to call you and your fellow Christ Denying Pharisees KIKES or Lying Jew
Bastards/Bitches in reply to your kind's continual insults hurled at me then you
should stop with the name calling! Plain and simple!!

Tavish

Joebruno

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br...@indystart.com (Joebruno) wrote in message news:<bf3896a1.03121...@posting.google.com>...

> wayne@. (Wayne) wrote in message news:<9b3068397262df0c...@news.1usenet.com>...
> > On 13 Dec 2003 17:15:34 -0800, <bf3896a1.03121...@posting.google.com>
> > br...@indystart.com (Joebruno) wrote:
> >
> > >http:
> >
> > That lawsuit was dismissed in his favor so who is stupid?
>
>
>
> It was not dismissed in his favor.It was dismissed on a technicality,
> idiot.
> He did not win on the facts of the case.

> >
> > You were partialy correct when you stated _Bradbury Linked To Stupidity_ and the
> > stupidity linked to is a nizkor link. Now we all know McVay aka Mr. Nizkor is
> > stupid.
>
> There is no "Mr Nizkor", you idiot, and Ken McVay had nothing to do
> with the lawsuit. You're more than just

> ignorant-you're a pathetically inept liar, too.

................

Sara Salzman

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Dec 14, 2003, 11:08:38 AM12/14/03
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In article <hetotv0c4emnset30...@4ax.com>,

James Gregory McTavish <JG_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:22:40 -0700,
> <catamont-ACC409...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com>,
> > James Seymour McTavish <JS_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:
> >
> >[same old same old deleted]
> >
> >>
> >> Go fist yourself you dirty whore!
> >
> >I sure am glad Mr. Bradbury doesn't engage in personal attacks.
>
> I will speak to a lying perjurious whore bitch such as you in any manner I so
> choose!

> YOU ARE A FILTHY PIG!!!!
>

I sure am glad Mr. Bradbury does not engage in personal attacks.


> >
> >[FORGED AND ALTERED POSTS DELETED]
>
> They aren't forged and I have already proved that you lied about it too! You
> went from saying "consensual sex" to that the posts don't exist and were
> e-mailed to me!
>

Sorry, you're lying. They have been altered. Things have been added
[that's the forgery part, Brainiac], things have been deleted.

Remember a few years ago when I had a quote form you in my .sig file,
and you INSISTED you had never said it. And you INSISTED about a
thousand times. And you complained in alt.revisionism, and you
complained to my ISP.

And then you were proven wrong and were forced to issue an apology.

I believe the quote in question was:


>In article <85ir3...@news2.newsguy.com>,
> doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com wrote:
>
>Calling me a "nazi-boy" is as much of defamation as you can make.
>As for FACTS- I have what I need. You can count on it "Fatbroad".


And I believe it ended with:


>FWD: ab...@concentric.net
>
>To whom it may concern,
> I now make a public apology to both Sara Salzman and to
>Concentric.Net for my complaint that she had "forged" or falsely
> attributed words to me such as:
>"Calling me a "nazi-boy" is as much of defamation as you can make. As
>for FACTS- I have what I need. You can count on it "Fatbroad"." I
> honestly do not
>remember posting them and I honestly could not find such a post or
otherwise
>I would not have found myself in a position of making this apology.
> Sara Salzman has in fact proven beyond a doubt that I said such
>and now I have no complaint that she uses such as her sig line for all
> time to come.


Same thing.

You can keep this up as long as you want, but you are lying. Again.


AND you are continuing to post inappropriate material to alt.revisionism.

Sara

--

-My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call
is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong
you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!

-I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and

the bulk of my posts prove so! You can't discern the difference.


BTW my name is not Fatboy you stupid kike.

James Gregory McTavish

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On 14 Dec 2003 02:01:48 -0800, <bf3896a1.03121...@posting.google.com>
br...@indystart.com (Joebruno) wrote:

>It was not dismissed in his favor.It was dismissed on a technicality,
>idiot.
>He did not win on the facts of the case, you fucking idiot.

What do you call this Brunomoron?

documented perjurious accusations!!!

<START>

ORDER

[...]

<STOP>

<START>

September 26, 2001

Dear Mr. Edeiken:

Very truly yours,

The Attachment:

<Start>

V.

ORDER

PER CURIAM

<STOP>

If that lawsuit had any merit at all Yale would have re-filed it in the proper
jurisdiction! THAT IS FACT YOU STUPID KIKE BASTARD!!!

Yale read my post above and he knew if the lawsuit went back to square one on
appeal then his fat god damned ass was going to prison! Sara "The Fist" Salzman
and Ken McVay had the stupidity to post Yale's perjury and I showed all the
examples of false statements and fabrications and Yale knew the jig was up!

ONCE AGAIN-- GET THE KIKE MOTHERFUCKER TO RE-FILE IN MY JURISDICTION!!

Tell him I call him a kike, a Jew bastard, a mother fucker, a father sucker, a
goat fucker, a criminal who abuses the legal system to make death threats with
subpoenaed information etc. What will it take to get that kike to try it again!?
He's a god damned coward and he tucked tail and ran when he knew he was exposed
for being the shit he is. He knows his legal community knows what a god damned
blemish he is too!

http://padisciplinaryboard.org/attdiscdcd.php?id=40290
(Link active October 29, 2003. Archived locally as: shyster_censured)

Attorney ID - 40290
Edeiken, Yale F.
Pennsylvania Supreme Court Attorney Inquiry
Attorney ID Case County District
40290 122 DB 95 Lehigh II Public Censure Administered 10/20/98
^^^^^^^^^
<STOP>

A PDF file is available which gives a report on the above
122 DB 95 against Shyster Yale Fatso Edeiken:
http://padisciplinaryboard.org/attopinion.php?case=122DB95
^^^^^^^
http://www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPosting/disciplinaryboard/dboardopinions/122DB95.RPT.pdf
(Link active October 28, 2003. Archived locally as: "Edeiken_Gets_His" and
122DB95.RPT)

If Yale gets another good spanking from the people above then his goose is
cooked and you can count on me filing new complaints after the Holidays with
proof I am still being defamed by his perjurious accusations! I won't mind
having the honor of having that shyster lose his law license! Keep making my
case for me big mouth!

That was one issue about whether I was being defamed by the lawsuit. I can show
that I am still being defamed by false accusations and that my personal safety
is still in jeopardy on account of Edeiken! Very serious stuff!

I will show you posting where I live and adding after I complained: "WHO CARES?
I HOPE THEY BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN WITH YOU IN IT." which was ONLY possible
because of Yale! That lawsuit is dead BUT I am still being harassed because of
it!

Now go drop dead kike!

James Gregory McTavish

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On 14 Dec 2003 07:07:09 -0800, <bf3896a1.03121...@posting.google.com>
br...@indystart.com (Joebruno) wrote:

>Ken McVay had nothing to do with the lawsuit.

He just distributed cpomplaints which i never had a chance to refute and also
distributed info on where I live! That is wat McVay hadn to do with it!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=p0afnvchj52pcuh6c0dk78f9bs7ngfetac%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge Against
America, Capitalism, and Christianity R_0928
Message-ID: <p0afnvchj52pcuh6c...@4ax.com>
Date: 29 Sep 2003 03:38:54 GMT

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=f7murv0qqpmcfa2ldce7epo9gtg5am23rl%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED The Nizkor Project Director is Lying About Funds He Has NOT
Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Report for 2002 Is Further Proof! R_1122
Message-ID: <f7murv0qqpmcfa2ld...@4ax.com>
Date: 22 Nov 2003 13:01:32 GMT
OLDER VERSION
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=07qc8vguuom77pvmugliksb3dmdf8pp82r%404ax.com&rnum=6
Subject: Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
Message-ID: <07qc8vguuom77pvmu...@4ax.com>
Date: 30 Mar 2003 03:49:22 GMT

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=rhao2v4fbuij94mcmi6sicj73sa4eifsns%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Nizkor LHR Fund; Just Another Self Serving FUND Like the Nizkor
Endowment and Trust Funds?
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:56:49 -0600
Message-ID: <rhao2v4fbuij94mcm...@4ax.com>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3e060868_1%40news2.uncensored-news.com&rnum=1
Subject: Is NIZKOR Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam?
Message-ID: <3e060...@news2.uncensored-news.com>
Date: 22 Dec 2002 18:46:15 GMT

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=qa5trvoa3c6ella1o1j7btunqvcbjh9pt2%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs and Tax Scam
Message-ID: <qa5trvoa3c6ella1o...@4ax.com>
Date: 21 Nov 2003 23:56:36 GMT

Wayne

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Dec 14, 2003, 3:53:13 PM12/14/03
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On 14 Dec 2003 14:46:07 GMT, <hetotv0c4emnset30...@4ax.com> James
Gregory McTavish <JG_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:

Does Sara Salzman fist her rectum or her vagina? People have to know. Her face
looks like someone fists it too and too often. What an ugly fatbroad cunt she
is.

Wayne

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Dec 14, 2003, 3:58:21 PM12/14/03
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:22:40 -0700,
<catamont-ACC409...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>In article <71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com>,
> James Seymour McTavish <JS_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:
>
>[same old same old deleted]
>
>>
>> Go fist yourself you dirty whore!
>
>I sure am glad Mr. Bradbury doesn't engage in personal attacks.
>

How is telling you to do what you like doing a personmal attack? You must have
fisted yourself too much. Do you fist your vagina or your anus? You weren't
clear enough in your postings.

From: ssch...@infinet.com Sara Schwartz
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:
> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.
I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience.

>


>[FORGED AND ALTERED POSTS DELETED]
>

You ALTER posts and what you did below is a good example Sara The Fister.

Wayne

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:44:52 GMT,
<eb74bd22c86ba818...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:


>Oooo! Such a telling neener!

Is Sara The Fister fisting you now?

Sara Salzman

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Dec 14, 2003, 4:52:23 PM12/14/03
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In article <5807bb39412243c5...@news.1usenet.com>,
wayne@. (Wayne) wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:22:40 -0700,
> <catamont-ACC409...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com>,
> > James Seymour McTavish <JS_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:
> >
> >[same old same old deleted]
> >
> >>
> >> Go fist yourself you dirty whore!
> >
> >I sure am glad Mr. Bradbury doesn't engage in personal attacks.
> >
>

[forged and altered posts deleted]

Wayne

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:52:23 -0700,
<catamont-6992C0...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>In article <5807bb39412243c5...@news.1usenet.com>,
> wayne@. (Wayne) wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:22:40 -0700,
>> <catamont-ACC409...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
>> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com>,
>> > James Seymour McTavish <JS_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >[same old same old deleted]
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Go fist yourself you dirty whore!
>> >
>> >I sure am glad Mr. Bradbury doesn't engage in personal attacks.
>> >
>>
>
>[forged and altered posts deleted]
>

Those posts weren't forged. Those posts were yours.

You still haven't informed us which body cavity you fist in your duck position.
Do you fist your anus or your vulva?

James Gregory McTavish

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NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:23:31 -0600
From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Bradbury Linked To Stupidity
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
References: <bf3896a1.03121...@posting.google.com>
<9ohntvcg4mchndv0u...@4ax.com>
<e816d6c84d692d74...@news.teranews.com>
<p2kntvs21dvuurutf...@4ax.com>
<catamont-F2837C...@news-60.giganews.com>
<71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en

User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:22:40 -0700
Message-ID: <catamont-ACC409...@news-60.giganews.com>
Lines: 22

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:22:40 -0700,
<catamont-ACC409...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>In article <71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com>,
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en


> James Seymour McTavish <JS_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:
>
>[same old same old deleted]
>
>>
>> Go fist yourself you dirty whore!
>
>I sure am glad Mr. Bradbury doesn't engage in personal attacks.

Calling a person who quotes me out of context, spreads libel about me, comes to
my hometown to defame me, bears false witness against me in a civil suit, posts
my new phone number etc. a dirty whore is actually being kind and exercising
self restraint!

>[FORGED AND ALTERED POSTS DELETED]

Is the above your current dodge to distance yourself from these posts which have
all the headers intact and which you, in fact, made?

<start/quote>
From: ssch...@infinet.com


Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Fist Fucking

Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p01.infinet.com>
Date: 12 Feb 95 04:19:44 GMT
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 13
NNTP-Posting-Host: p01.infinet.com

By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.

Says so right on the label.

We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.

Your mileage may, of course, vary.

Perrrfect

--
It never rains under my umbrella

~~End~~

From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)

Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:19:07 GMT
References: <3hf46h$p...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.infinet.com

In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:

> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
>
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.

I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience.

--

It never rains under my umbrella

Pete Townshend

<end/quote>

Those posts were at GOOGLE until you, Sara Salzman, had GOOGLE nuke them! I even
posted the GOOGLE URLs for them in December 2001!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=elmr2ucae8th3i760es11q8l2bhmjf2l8s%404ax.com&rnum=7
Subject: Here is Your Proof Jeffrey! Are You Going To Remain in Denial About
Sara Salzman's S&M Lifestyle? aka Re: Attention "nationalfront88": Please
continue lying
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:08:58 -0600
Message-ID: <elmr2ucae8th3i760...@4ax.com>
References: <20011229082141...@mb-ct.aol.com>
<jeffreygbrown-781...@news.alt.net>
(Excerpt)

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:02:38 -0500,
<jeffreygbrown-781...@news.alt.net> "Jeffrey G. Brown"
<jeffre...@mailandnews.com> wrote:

>In article <20011229082141...@mb-ct.aol.com>, anonymous coward
>"nationalfront88" wrote:
>
>> Unless I missed it, I have not seen a single post by Ken McVay defending
>> her perverted, masochistic lifestyle.
:
>No evidence that Ms. Salzman conducts a "perverted, masochistic lifestyle" has
>been presented. Nor has the anonymous coward "nationalfront88" been able to
>explain why it matters to the discussion of the Holocaust that it is itself too
>terrified to take part in.
>
>JGB

What do you call the postings she had NUKED from the GOOGLE archives? Looks to
me like she engages in the S&M lifestyle! Care to deny Sara posted the following
to alt.sex.bondage? Remember- even though the disgusting pig had GOOGLE Nuke her
sick S&M screeds there were some of us who had the fore-sight to save those
"classics" as web pages knowing the pig would try to "revise history" and engage
in "denial."

On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:05:00 -0600, <aa0d1ucdf9q9mlc9s...@4ax.com>
T-A-V <RemoveAllHYPH...@ix.ne-tc-om.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:08:36 -0500, <qctc1uo4s3qdov4m7...@4ax.com>
>Mike Kalvatis <mkal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com
>
>For a fact that Message ID yields:
>http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=%20&as_umsgid=sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com&num=20&hl=en
>From: ssch...@infinet.com
>Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
>Subject: My Master Holds The Ropes Just So (poem)
>Date: Sun, 05 Feb 1995 14:49:12 -0500
>Organization: InfiNet
>Lines: 114
>Message-ID: <sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com>
>NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.infinet.com
>
>My Master holds the rope just so.
>
>He knows me. Knows my moods. Knows the fear behind my eyes, both real and
>imagined.
>
>Those eyes widen as he gently lays the rope down, as he carefully,
>methodically, systematically, lays the toys down on the bed.
>
>Soft moans escape from behind gagged lips. I have been told to watch.
>To see each and know that soon each will touch me.
>
>He looks up briefly as he lays each down on the bed. Checking reactions.
>Watching.
>
>The short whip. A sigh.
>The deerskin. The suede.

<<Tavish comment December 15, 2003: BTW The above proves the "Poem" above
existed as well!>>

<SNIP>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=6&selm=sschwartz-1102952319440001%40p01.infinet.com
From: ssch...@infinet.com


Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Fist Fucking

Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p01.infinet.com>
Date: 12 Feb 95 04:19:44 GMT
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 13
NNTP-Posting-Host: p01.infinet.com

By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.

Says so right on the label.

We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.

Your mileage may, of course, vary.

Perrrfect

--
It never rains under my umbrella

~~End of EXACT GOOGLE Archive~~

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=7&selm=sschwartz-1102950819070001%40p14.infinet.com
From: ssch...@infinet.com


Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)

Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:19:07 GMT
References: <3hf46h$p...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.infinet.com

In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:

> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
>
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.

I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience.

--

It never rains under my umbrella

Pete Townshend

~~End of EXACT GOOGLE Archive~~

Just read what Sara said: " I *did* state that fist fucking was not something I


had done very often, and merely wanted to impart my own (limited) experience."

and then look at her picture!
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif

That is enough to blow your mind!

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt for December 15, 2003~~~

I was quite prophetic on December 29, 2001 when I stated above:
"Remember- even though the disgusting pig had GOOGLE Nuke her sick S&M screeds
there were some of us who had the fore-sight to save those "classics" as web
pages knowing the pig would try to "revise history" and engage in "denial.""

Archived locally as: FistProof_12-29-01

BTW that link just above for "Re: Fist fucking (1)" did exist and it was posted
numerous times almost two years ago BEFORE you had it NUKED!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22http://groups.google.com/groups%3Fq%3D%26rnum%3D7%26selm%3Dsschwartz-1102950819070001%2540p14.infinet.com%22&num=20&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=15&as_maxm=1&as_maxy=2002&filter=0
Searched Groups for
"http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=7&selm=sschwartz-1102950819070001%40p14.infinet.com"
from May 12, 1981 to Jan 15, 2002. Results 1 - 20 of about 36

Here Sara "The Fist" Salzman recently proving she wrote and posted the material
above she is now trying to distance herself from by claiming forged headers etc.
Notice what she is complaining about! She is NOT denying having posting the FIST
documents!!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=catamont-FBD009.07132512102003%40news-60.giganews.com&rnum=2
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:14:44 -0500
From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: A New Act for Vegas?
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
References: <catamont-722FFE...@news-60.giganews.com>
<qrogovouoi2bjui84...@4ax.com>
<catamont-6AEF89...@news-60.giganews.com>
<33fiovo10j1siqqau...@4ax.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 07:13:25 -0600
Message-ID: <catamont-FBD009...@news-60.giganews.com>

In article <33fiovo10j1siqqau...@4ax.com>,
Sean Cyril O'Tavish <Sean_Cyril_O'Tav...@IRISH-TAVISH-CENTRAL.NET>
wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:06:39 -0600,
> <catamont-6AEF89...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman

FAKED HEADER

> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Fist Fucking

DATE DELETED

> :
> By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.
> Says so right on the label.
> We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.
> Your mileage may, of course, vary.
> Perrrfect
> --
> It never rains under my umbrella
> ~~End~~

And your problem with this is...?

> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman

FAKED HEADER

> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)

DATE DELETED

> In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
> Antoniou) wrote:
> > Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> > of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> > all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> > suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> > on to say *exactly that*.
> In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
> just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.
> I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
> fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
> impart my own (limited) experience. <END>
> Imagine the person in these photos assuming the "duck" position
> and "fisting" herself!

Only because you a) have no sex life and therefore must fantasize about
others; and b) have no sex life and therefore cannot imagine a
relationship involving TWO people; c) cannot stop yourself from fixating
on the sex lives of consenting adults; d) are a lying moron who forges
headers to suit his own twisted sexual fantasies.

Hope this helps.

Sara

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

Archived locally: SaraCaughtFisting

Notice Sara "The Fist" Salzman did NOT deny posting such gems! She only
complained about the dates missing and altered headers and then she makes
personal attacks on me in defense of her fisting which she claims is: "the
sex lives of consenting adults." Looks like a solo act to me Sara!!! You
did state: "I *did* state that fist fucking was not something I had done very
often.." instead of: "I *did* state that fist fucking was not something [WE]
had done very often.." YOU HAVE BEEN SLAM DUNKED YOU SQUEALING FISTINF PIG!

Also see the revisionism of Sara didn't post "My Master Holds the Rope Just So
Poem" debunked in this archive:

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=r47qtvgs1chei5l9p...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Re: Does John Morris Want Sara "The Fist" Salzman to Perform S&M On Him
That He Apparently Approves Of?
Reply-To: JG_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net
Message-ID: <r47qtvgs1chei5l9p...@4ax.com>
References: <arqntvken3a5n8bnj...@4ax.com>
<catamont-4659C9...@news-60.giganews.com>
<ck1ptvom1mtb817bf...@4ax.com>
<307cc7e6349d7ee1...@news.teranews.com>
<k1lptvkhj5lh6vi07...@4ax.com>
<4345554f6962d9e5...@news.teranews.com>
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564

The point of all of this is-- if Sara Salzman, who is a Nizkor contributor, will
lie about such matters as these and be an accomplice to a lawsuit filled with
perjury then why should she or the rest of her crowd be trusted?

I wonder what Dr. Leon Salzman's OPINION would be on his daughter Sara's
sado-masochistic fantasies and her fisting? Many sources claim saodo-masochism
is a personality disorder which explains why Sara is sometimes referred to as
Psycho Sara or even Crackpot Sara.

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=sado-masochism&num=30&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=personality+disorder&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images
Searched the web for sado-masochism "personality disorder". Results 1 - 30 of
about 589

It may be genetic and now I ask what are the odds of a woman giving birth to a
child with mental developmental disabilities? Slim and none? What are the odds
of the same woamn giving birth to two separate children (not twins) and both of
them having mental developmental problems? Astronomical?

Here is Sara making an admission about herself:

On 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT, Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
"How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!"
<catamont-548CA8...@spectator.sj.sys.us.xo.net>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=catamont-548CA8.19314906072003%40spectator.sj.sys.us.xo.net&output=gplain
Date: 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT

Archived locally as: SaraAdmitsRetardation

One can only conclude Sara's children are likened to "chips off the old block."
but the again the father of the children was a drug user too!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=1&selm=catamont-D20A99.14393008022001%40news.concentric.net
From: Sara <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Psycho Sara and Susie, the 40 yr old Welch MALE plumber
Date: 08 Feb 2001 21:39:42 GMT
Message-ID: <catamont-D20A99...@news.concentric.net>
"The funniest part of this is that, although I do smoke cigarettes (as
did my ex-husband), HE was the one who abused drugs. I removed the kids
from a houseful of it."

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=catamont-D20A99.14393008022001%40news.concentric.net&rnum=2
From: Sara <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Psycho Sara and Susie, the 40 yr old Welch MALE plumber
Date: 08 Feb 2001 21:39:42 GMT
Message-ID: <catamont-D20A99...@news.concentric.net>
"Both of my children test in the 95% percentile for their ages. Neither
is retarted, severely or not. Both are in the "gifted" programs at their
respective schools..." <END>
Archived locally as: BadGenetics1

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=catamont-1003001301510001%40ts011d23.den-co.concentric.net&rnum=4
Subject: Re: Hello Sara
Date: 2000/03/10
Message-ID: <catamont-100...@ts011d23.den-co.concentric.net>
"My SON has a developmental disability, and I may have posted his name back
in the days when Matt Giwer insisted that NO ONE with autism could talk.
He knew that because he had "hugged" an autistic child once." <END>
Archived locally as: BadGenetics2

The third post should enlighten everyone as to why BOTH of Sara's children are
in "the "gifted" programs at their respective schools." Respective schools?

Tavish
>Sara

Does this sig line meet you approval now Sara The Fist?

Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: ssch...@infinet.com


Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Fist Fucking

Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p01.infinet.com>
Date: 12 Feb 95 04:19:44 GMT
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 13
NNTP-Posting-Host: p01.infinet.com

By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.

Says so right on the label.

We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.

Your mileage may, of course, vary.

Perrrfect

<END>


Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: ssch...@infinet.com


Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)

Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:19:07 GMT
References: <3hf46h$p...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.infinet.com

In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:

> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
>
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.

I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience. <END>

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Sara Salzman

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Dec 15, 2003, 7:09:50 PM12/15/03
to
*YAWN*

maybe you should try posting something ON-TOPIC, for a CHANGE.

Roger

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Dec 15, 2003, 7:39:00 PM12/15/03
to
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Wayne wrote
in message
<a32a8593d200b7f1...@news.1usenet.com>:

Keep your sexual fantasies out of alt.revisionism, where they are off
topic.

Patrick Keenan

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Dec 15, 2003, 10:29:11 PM12/15/03
to
"James Gregory McTavish" <JG_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote in message
news:93bstvos03c59sall...@4ax.com...

If you've been defamed, sue. But you haven't been, have you? So, you
won't sue.

> bears false witness against me in a civil suit,

You could try proving that in court. But you won't, because you can't, can
you? All you can do is whine on Usenet.

> posts
> my new phone number etc. a dirty whore is actually being kind and
exercising
> self restraint!
>
> >[FORGED AND ALTERED POSTS DELETED]
>
> Is the above your current dodge to distance yourself from these posts
which have
> all the headers intact and which you, in fact, made?

Actually, the headers have been altered. By you, wasn't it?

-pk


James Gregory McTavish

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Dec 16, 2003, 12:24:39 AM12/16/03
to
NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:10:41 -0600

From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She Wrote
The FIST Postings! aka Re: Bradbury Linked To Stupidity<catamont-ACC409...@news-60.giganews.com>
<93bstvos03c59sall...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=93bstvos03c59sall...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:09:50 -0700,
<catamont-1D62E3...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>*YAWN*
>
>maybe you should try posting something ON-TOPIC, for a CHANGE.

I did. This news group deals with revisionism and you are seeking to revise
history! You have been caught lying so go fist yourself you pig!

>Sara
Tavish

steve wolk

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Dec 16, 2003, 1:25:11 AM12/16/03
to
Fatbury isn't just linked to stupidity. Faqtbury and stupidity are joined
at the hip.


Sara Salzman

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Dec 16, 2003, 1:19:54 AM12/16/03
to
In article <4l5ttvsov9l9nfj0b...@4ax.com>,

James Gregory McTavish <JG_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:

> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:10:41 -0600
> From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> Subject: Re: Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She
> Wrote
> The FIST Postings! aka Re: Bradbury Linked To Stupidity
> Organization: Concentric Internet Services
> References: <bf3896a1.03121...@posting.google.com>
> <9ohntvcg4mchndv0u...@4ax.com>
> <e816d6c84d692d74...@news.teranews.com>
> <p2kntvs21dvuurutf...@4ax.com>
> <catamont-F2837C...@news-60.giganews.com>
> <71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com>
> <catamont-ACC409...@news-60.giganews.com>
> <93bstvos03c59sall...@4ax.com>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=93bstvos03

> c59salle3oif...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en


>
> On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:09:50 -0700,
> <catamont-1D62E3...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >*YAWN*
> >
> >maybe you should try posting something ON-TOPIC, for a CHANGE.
>
> I did. This news group deals with revisionism and you are seeking to revise
> history! You have been caught lying so go fist yourself you pig!
>

[ALTERED ABD FORGED HEADERS DELETED]

James Gregory McTavish

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Dec 16, 2003, 10:32:28 AM12/16/03
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:49:54 -0700,
<catamont-F2837C...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=rhi7cvsotqaj3t6btide56jdi44odj5oip%404ax.com&rnum=3&filter=0


>> Subject: Edeikook Follies #6 Yale F. Edeiken Goes on a Rampage at His County
>> Courthouse Message-ID: <rhi7cvsotqaj3t6bt...@4ax.com>
>> Date: 15 May 2003 17:11:06 GMT
>>
>> Here is what a local newspaper reported concerning one of the shyster
>> Yale F. Edeiken fits of rage at his own county courthouse and his e-mail
>> to me wailing about it being defamatory that it was posted. The truth hurts
>> doesn't it shyster!?
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3921e1e6.182032557%40news.newsguy.com&rnum=1
>> From: doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com (Doc Tavish)
>> Subject: CITY ATTORNEY FOUND GUILTY IN ELEVATOR CONFRONTATION
>> Date: 2000/05/17
>> Message-ID: <3921e1e6....@news.newsguy.com>
>>
>> http://www.mcall.com/cgi-bin/slwebsto.cgi?DBLIST=mc90&DOCNUM=39046
>>
>> Date: Wednesday, September 19, 1990
>> Page: B02
>> Edition: FIFTH
>> Section: LOCAL/REGION
>>
>> Column:
>>
>> Corrections:
>>
>> Memo:
>>
>> CITY ATTORNEY FOUND GUILTY IN ELEVATOR CONFRONTATION
>> by KRISTIN CASLER, The Morning Call

What the Jewish swine deleted:

CITY ATTORNEY FOUND GUILTY IN ELEVATOR CONFRONTATION

by KRISTIN CASLER, The Morning Call

Allentown attorney Yale F. Edeiken was found guilty and fined $600 plus

---end---

>But this verdict WAS OVERTURNED,

He still did it and after doing some checking around- Yale lied through his fat
ass when he made the following claim:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=OyHG4.1031%245e.96249%40newshog.newsread.com&rnum=1


From: "Yale F. Edeiken" <ya...@enter.net>

Subject: Re: CITY ATTORNEY FOUND GUILTY IN ELEVATOR CONFRONTATION
Date: 2000/04/05
Message-ID: <OyHG4.1031$5e.9...@newshog.newsread.com>#1/1
References: <000c2cb8...@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com>

Brimstone <mr_brimsto...@excite.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:000c2cb8...@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com...

> CITY ATTORNEY FOUND GUILTY IN ELEVATOR CONFRONTATION

> Allentown attorney Yale F. Edeiken was found guilty and fined
> $600 plus costs for a confrontation with a Lehigh County deputy
> sheriff and another man in a courthouse elevator.

Which did not note that the charges were dismissed by Judge Mellenberg
when it was proved that the "vicitm" had just been convicted of burglarizing
my house and had threatened me.

--YFE
~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

Archived locally as: JewFavorsJew

Notice that Yale claimed: "..dismissed by Judge Mellenberg when it was proved
that the "vicitm" had just been convicted of burglarizing my house.."

I didn't know Deputy Brenda Hartman who "Edeiken struck with his briefcase" had

"had just been convicted of burglarizing [his] house"! He did strike the deputy
with his briefcase did he not?

Also Yale "Tubby The Waddler" claimed: "the "vicitm" had.. just threatened
[him]." Why didn't any of the other witnesses confirm what Yale claims!? Yale
started it and Yale was the one who went berserk and got convicted for assault!

Special Note December 16, 2003: Another judge just can't overturn a conviction
another judge made! The legal system would really be in turmoil if two district
judges were to overturn each other's convictions. The ONLY way for Tubby to have
had his conviction overturned would have been by a HIGHER COURT! Even then Yale
had no right to act vigilante and assault another person because that person had
burglarized his house.

BTW that conviction was for Yale assaulting the deputy sheriff Brenda Hartman!!

Take note!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=8cgk8901c82%40news1.newsguy.com&rnum=5
Subject: John Morris Confirms Authenticity of: LEHIGH DEPUTY SAYS LAWYER
HARASSED HER IN SHOVING INCIDENT
Date: 2000/04/06
Message-ID: <8cgk8...@news1.newsguy.com>
References: <26b33bde...@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=26b33bde...@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: YaleAssaultsDeputy)
<7remes8f7fgvc8lq0...@4ax.com>
<1f6neso4j4ujdp6q7...@4ax.com>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset = US-ASCII

From: John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: LEHIGH DEPUTY SAYS LAWYER HARASSED HER IN SHOVING INCIDENT
Organization: University of Alberta
Reply-To: John....@UAlberta.CA
Message-ID: <1f6neso4j4ujdp6q7...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=1f6neso4j4ujdp6q7...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: JohnConfirmsYale)

> In <7remes8f7fgvc8lq0...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
> on Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:17:26 -0400, RiP <Ri...@up.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> >First it was Ragland who made the 'funny papers' as a criminal and
> >now Yale!
:.
> Now? There's one little part "Brimstone" forgot to include, the date
> of the article:


>
> Date: Wednesday, September 19, 1990
> Page: B02
> Edition: FIFTH
> Section: LOCAL/REGION

Thanks for verifying the authenticity of the article John. Doesn't matter
to me the date it occurred. It establishes that Edeiken gives in to fits
of rage and that is good enough for me as well as any trial held against him.
His history is admissible evidence too you should know!

Lurkers here is the article:

LEHIGH DEPUTY SAYS LAWYER HARASSED HER IN SHOVING INCIDENT

by VALERIE HILDEBEITEL, The Morning Call

A Lehigh County deputy sheriff has filed harassment charges
against an Allentown attorney over a courthouse confrontation
that happened last month, Sheriff Ron Neimeyer has confirmed.

The charges against attorney Yale F. Edeiken were filed in the
district attorney's office Wednesday, according to the deputy
involved.

Deputy Brenda Hartman said Edeiken shoved her as she was taking
a female prisoner from a courtroom to a holding cell to await
probation processing on the afternoon of June 12.

Hartman said she took the prisoner into an elevator and Edeiken
and another man followed.

The deputy said Edeiken confronted the man, who was later
identified as the woman's ex-husband, and she ordered both to
stop and that one man leave the elevator.

The ex-husband complied and as he exited, Hartman said, Edeiken
shoved her to the back of the elevator and swung his briefcase
at the man.

Sheriff Neimeyer said the deputy reported the incident to him,
and he sent her to the district attorney's office.

"It certainly was conduct that is not expected," Neimeyer said
Friday. "We're on the same side. My officers are officers of the
court, as is Mr. Edeiken.

"We won't brook that type of conduct from anyone else," the
sheriff said. "Why should we (take it) from him?"

---end of article---

Care to verify that this article is authentic as well John?

CITY ATTORNEY FOUND GUILTY IN ELEVATOR CONFRONTATION

by KRISTIN CASLER, The Morning Call

Allentown attorney Yale F. Edeiken was found guilty and fined


$600 plus costs for a confrontation with a Lehigh County deputy

sheriff...

<<Tavish Comment December 16, 2003: I deleted text which is shown in full
higher up in this post.>>

---end of article---

Thus we have established the legend of Yale "Mad Dog" Edeiken
the terror of the Lehigh County Courthouse!

Need I say more?

Doc Tavish

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~

>Mr. Double Standard.

Where's the double standard you lying whore!? Yale did what he did and there
were plenty of witnesses OTOH I didn't do what Yale accused me of and he
fabricated evidence against me and the case against me was dismissed.
BIG DIFFERENCE YOU STUPID PIG!!

>And that has been pointed out to you numerous times.

Nope it hasn't!

BTW Yale did what he did and there were witnesses BUT I did not do as he accused
and he fabricated evidence against me such as:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&selm=3bmv4vc9u4kh2qs4v84aek0qsbfhb5eul8%404ax.com
Subject: Test this, David Michael aka Ken McVay's "Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1" Is
Filled With Lies and Perjury...
Message-ID: <3bmv4vc9u4kh2qs4v...@4ax.com>

Excerpt:

>Archive/File: people/b/bradbury.scott/Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1
>Last-Modified: 2001/02/15
>
>IN THE COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF LEHIGH COUNTY
>
>CIVIL DIVISION -- LAW
>
>YALE F. EDEIKEN :
> :
>Plaintiff :
> :
>vs. : No. 99-C- 2786
> :
>
>SCOTT BRADBURY
> 24. That on December 5, 1998, Defendant sent Plaintiff an
>electronic communication stating in pertinent part:
>"You only want to blow Joe
>You want to suck Joe's Aryan cock, don't you Yale?
> Doc Tavish"
> Said telephonic communication is attached hereto and made part
>hereof as Exhibit "A-1."

PROOF THE ABOVE SWORN STATEMENT IS PERJURED:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=1201801624195636%40unribbed.net&rnum=1
(Archived locally as: A-1Not1 and A-1Not2)
From: earlt...@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: Vapor, Fatelvis, Bull Conner & B9Predator. Prepare for the worst.
Date: 1999/01/08
Message-ID: <12018016...@unribbed.net>#1/1
X-Trace: news.rdc1.ct.home.com 915759892 24.65.203.77
(Thu, 07 Jan 1999 17:44:52 PDT)
Organization: @Home Network Canada
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 17:44:52 PDT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.flame.niggers
X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net

> From: ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)

> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> Subject: Re: PIN JOE DOWN AND SUCK HIS COCK
> > Isn't strange that Yale has only two little harmless posts to offer
> >in his insane attempts to slander?
>
> If they are harmless why are your associates so upset. Indeed you
> admit that. If they were "harmless" they could not be "slander" (they
> aren't, of course).
>
> > REMEMBER: THEY ONLY SMEAR THE ONES THEY FEAR.
>
> But I neither fear you or smear you.

you only want to blow joe

you want to suck joes aryan cock dont you yale

~~End of Exact GOOGLE Archive~~

Not sent by me, not signed "Doc Tavish" and it's from a regular ISP too!
That is perjury submitting falsified evidence!

> 31 That on December 6, 1998, Defendant sent Plaintiff an
>electronic communication stating in pertinent part:
>
> "So why do you still want to suck his cock?
>Do you think you'll become a man by ingesting his manhood?
>
> Doc Tavish"

PROOF THE ABOVE SWORN STATEMENT IS PERJURED:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=0901801802535739%40hexer.org&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=0901801802535739%40hexer.org
(Archived locally as: A-7Not1 and A-7Not2)
From: Laz <hell...@home.com>
Subject: I'm targeted for what? damn.
Date: 1999/01/05
Message-ID: <09018018...@hexer.org>#1/1
X-Trace: news.rdc1.ct.home.com 915502345 24.2.101.226 (Mon, 04 Jan 1999 18:12:25
PDT)
Organization: @Home Network
NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 18:12:25 PDT
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net

> It is now 8 days since this lying nazi bragged that he would have my
> service with enter.net discontinued.
>
> My e-mail address is still ya...@enter.net,
>
> He is still a nazi.
>
> He is still a liar.
>
> He is still a punk.
>
>
> --YFE

so why do you still want to suck his cock

do you think you'll become a man by ingesting his manhood

~~End of Exact GOOGLE Archive~~

Yale got the author and date wrong too and the post was not signed
Doc Tavish as he claimed in his perjured statement. I also never had
an account at the regular ISP used either! CRIMINAL PERJURY!!!

> 34 That on December 8, 1998, Defendant sent Plaintiff an
>electronic communication stating in pertinent part:
>
>All Nizkooks need to be apprehended, interrogated, and placed in protective
>custody until a final solution can be made.
>
> Doc Tavish"
>
> Said telephonic communication is attached hereto and made part
>hereof as Exhibit "A11."

PROOF THE ABOVE SWORN STATEMENT IS PERJURED:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=84C06A88F1507F28.B631F6D1B209C3CD.7C009BBF34A90591%40library-proxy.airnews.net&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=84C06A88F1507F28.B631F6D1...@library-proxy.airnews.net&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: A-11Not1 and A-11Not2)
From: Pee Kitty <Pki...@mariner.cris.com>
Subject: Re: Furmanski is lame
Date: 1998/12/20
Message-ID:
<84C06A88F1507F28.B631F6D1...@library-proxy.airnews.net>#1/1
X-Orig-Message-ID: <20129820...@grinding.net>
NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Dec 20 21:15:30 1998
Organization: Digital Highway (using Airnews.net!)
NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library3
Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at dhc.net to report improper postings
Newsgroups: alt.slack,alt.newsangels

> From: ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)

> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> Subject: Re: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Nizkook Band
> References: <19981207212932...@ng-cb1.aol.com>
> X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.)
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.170.16.148
> X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.170.16.148
> Message-ID: <366ca...@news3.enter.net>
> Date: 7 Dec 1998 22:57:39 +0500

all nizkooks need to be apprehended, interrogated, and placed in protective
custody until a final solution can be made

~~End of Exact GOOGLE Archive~~

Once again a post Yale admitted in a sworn statement signed "Doc Tavish"
when it is obvious another person posted it! PERJURY!!!!!

THE FOLLOWING IS THE CROWN OF MANUFACTURING EVIDENCE AND REMEMBER ALL OF THIS
FALSE TESTIMONY WAS SUBMITTED TO A CIVIL COURT AS SWORN STATEMENTS BY CRIMINAL
PERJURER NAMED YALE F. EDEIKEN OF ALLENTOWN, PENNSYLVANIA!!

The following false contrived accusation is the pinnacle of perjury or
manufacturing of evidence to be submitted as sworn testimony in a court of law
and this was done by a Plaintiff (who was his own attorney and who is an
attorney) against the Defendant; me. I will slam dunk this criminality in full
just below!

> 39 That on November 11, 1999, Defendant sent Plaintiff an
>electronic communication stating in pertinent part:
>
>"You are just as much of a filthy little cock sucker vermin as your butt
>buddy Jeff Brown. You have to rely on out of context quotes and character
>assassination. It would be a pleasure to see someone slowly work you over
>with an ice pick Yale!"
>
> --digsig
> Authentic Doc Tavish
>
> 191xllxyGtVQwy0mtCiBjivyX+knCUXYwdRt ptdrtqb
> qfQbXQtisWlB/E1+yWkYkw1Wr7mGiAFcJ w6Wl/aU
> 4GEbQtlQOHN/G3asOLBC9JmQXWuqXwj BnPCuOV9cd
>
> Said telephonic communication is attached hereto and made part
>hereof as Exhibit "A-16."

Positive proof 100% that the Plaintiff willfully and most maliciously lied to a
civil court with the above accusation:

Xref:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=d0ic0v81gdhrd1djqe4k4k2mnvq4c4sdi5%404ax.com&output=gplain
Message-ID: <d0ic0v81gdhrd1djq...@4ax.com>

39 That on November 11, 1999, Defendant sent Plaintiff an
electronic communication stating in pertinent part:

"You are just as much of a filthy little cock sucker vermin as your butt
buddy Jeff Brown. You have to rely on out of context quotes and character
assassination. It would be a pleasure to see someone slowly work you over
with an ice pick Yale!"

--digsig
Authentic Doc Tavish

191xllxyGtVQwy0mtCiBjivyX+knCUXYwdRt ptdrtqb
qfQbXQtisWlB/E1+yWkYkw1Wr7mGiAFcJ w6Wl/aU
4GEbQtlQOHN/G3asOLBC9JmQXWuqXwj BnPCuOV9cd

Said telephonic communication is attached hereto and made part
hereof as Exhibit "A-16."

Respectfully submitted,
________________________
Yale F. Edeiken

<end>

Notice what was said in an anonymous post (shown just below) and the date of the
post and compare it to what Yale F. Edeiken charges just above! Remember Yale
claimed I e-mailed the above to him and he claimed I signed it and had my
digital signature and this was done in a sworn document admitted to a civil
court of law!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=1&ic=1&selm=199902171515.KAA08970%40domains.invweb.net
(Archived locally as: AnonIcePick1 and AnonIcePick2)
From: Anonymous (nob...@openpgp.net)
Subject: Re: Joe Bellinger, Proven Liar
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Date: 1999/02/17

> > >>It is thus established that:
> > >>
> > >> - Joe Bellinger stated that he does, in fact, "post deliberate
> > >>misinformation".
> > >> - Joe Bellinger denied having made said statement.
> > >> - Joe Bellinger is, therefore, a liar.
> > >>
> > >>To coin a phrase: GAME, SET, MATCH.
> > >Did anyone expect any different result?
> > LOL! For grown men, you are all so childish.
:
> Expecting some minimal level of honesty -- a low standard which
> you seem incapable of meeting -- is hardly "childish."
>
> It frightens me that, with attitudes like this, you are raising a
> child.
>
> In article <19990112213243...@ng31.aol.com>,
> deb...@aol.com
> (Debunks) wrote: "I post deliberate misinformation . . ."
>
> --YFE

You are just as much of a filthy little cock sucker vermin as your butt
buddy Jeff Brown. You have to rely on out of context quotes and character
assassination. It would be a pleasure to see someone slowly work you over
with an ice pick Yale!

~~End of GOOGLE aka DejaCom Archive~~

Notice the above was an anonymous post. It was not an e-mail and notice that it
had no digital signature signed by me! Also notice the big difference in dates
the above was posted February 17, 1999 yet Yale accuses me: "That on November
11, 1999, Defendant sent Plaintiff an electronic communication stating in
pertinent part (the above EXACT quoted text)"

Witness this:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=6&ic=1&selm=osjdbt41kq8ov7moqagjivihjnda67vadt%404ax.com
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:07:41 -0600
Message-ID: <osjdbt41kq8ov7moq...@4ax.com>

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=96fnp3%242bar%2...@news.tht.net&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: LibelousPerjury)
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,alt.conspiracy
Subject: "ALL FACTS IN THE COMPLAINT ... ARE DEEMED ADMITTED."
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 05:00:19 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <96fnp3$2bar$1...@news.tht.net>

Archive/File: people/b/bradbury.scott/Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1
Last-Modified: 2001/02/14

--digsig
Authentic Doc Tavish

191xllxyGtVQwy0mtCiBjivyX+knCUXYwdRt ptdrtqb
qfQbXQtisWlB/E1+yWkYkw1Wr7mGiAFcJ w6Wl/aU
4GEbQtlQOHN/G3asOLBC9JmQXWuqXwj BnPCuOV9cd

Said telephonic communication is attached hereto and made part
hereof as Exhibit "A-16."

<stop>

Crypto Kong does not insert blank lines in between "Authentic Doc Tavish"
and the crypto-text as confirmed by the software's author to both myself
and my attorney!

Here is the official reply to my inquiry:

X-Sender: jam...@shell11.ba.best.com
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:51:20 -0800
To: Scott Bradbury <xx...@flash.net>
From: "James A. Donald"
Subject: Re: Inquiry on Crypto-Kong Signatures
Cc: "Daylin B. Leach - Attorney at Law" <xxx...@aol.com>

--
At 0412 AM 2/23/2001 -0600, Scott Bradbury wrote
> The above forged digital signataure is verbatim and is exactly which was
> presented to the court.

To be presented to the court, it must be alleged to have signed
something. A digital signature without the text that it signed is of no
significance.

(Note: I did not include Yale's fabricated e-mail- I just sent Mr. Donald
the forged digital signature.)

> The digsig also has a blank line in between "Authentic Doc
> Tavish" and the bogus crypto-text. Your software does not do this in
> ANY example I've ever seen.

That is perfectly true. My program does not emit such blank lines, which
suggest fabrication, but not strong evidence of anything much, since the
blank line could have arisen from various accidents in transferring text
from one program to another.

> I do this for the benefit of my attorney. -)

--digsig
James A. Donald
6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG
GnwV4rmsIA8faEZwt0YOXUiSSJflZjiLd/kTrWIn
4F1jg73LTqhfLPw9BVz2uDGwa7v2WYBG0wNGHSkoM

<END>

--
As for Mr. Donald's statement: "the blank line could have arisen from
various accidents in transferring text from one program to another"-
the above fabricated signature from Edeiken's complaint is verbatim in the
group of false accusations known as "ALL FACTS IN THE COMPLAINT ... ARE
DEEMED ADMITTED." Notice Mr. Donald's digsig? No spaces and blank lines!
Notice my digsig made on this paragraph alone?

--digsig
Authentic Doc Tavish
Chyeer+xvAMg6mRtq2niuMN+bMnEkGsy0ShVPm2xATn
ejnWmIh1JCyv0DNQedTMFE/cAfXBLuqdxSAkk9w/
4O0CysIswhm2G04W2mJFeW7C7K5RHQkNr3oFBzH6X

NO BLANK LINES AND SPACES!

What are the penalties for submitting manufactured evidence?

[...]

Here is Yale making his false accusation in public forum:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3920d160.112256232%40news.flash.net&rnum=1
(Archived locally as: YalesLies)
Subject: Yale's Anonymous Post Signed By Me?! What an Oaf! aka Re: Bradbury
Caught in a Psychotic Delusional Rage
Date: 2000/05/16
Message-ID: <3920d160....@news.flash.net>

On Tue, 16 May 2000 04:12:22 GMT, "Yale F. Edeiken" <ya...@enter.net>
<GU3U4.3347$v%5.24...@newshog.newsread.com> wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=GU3U4.3347%24v%255.2...@newshog.newsread.com&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: YaleLied1 and YaleLied2)
>Doc Tavish <doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com> wrote in message
>news:3920c22c....@news.flash.net...

[...]

>> > Perhaps you should ask your shrink about people who write anonumus
>> >notes to others like:
>> >
>> > " You are just as much of a filthy little cock sucker vermin as your
>> >butt buddy Jeff Brown. You have to rely on out of context quotes and
>> >character assassination. It would be a pleasure to see someone slowly
>> >work you over with an ice pick Yale!"
>> The above is just exactly what you said it is Yale, "anonumus" your word!
>> Just because you are a paranoid and have a psychotic dislike of me does
>> not mean every thing you imagine comes from me.
:
> It came from you

Then why didn't you show the headers which would show so Yale?

>and was signed by you.

Then why didn't you show my signature? If I signed it and it was from me
as you claim why do you call it "anonumus"? It would not be so if were
truly from me as headers would show and it actually had my signature!

What did you say in just another post about the "e-mail" above Yale? Your
own words again: "Perhaps you should ask your shrink about people who
write anonumus notes to others like:" It's ANONYMOUS Yale! You've said so!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=Ms1U4.3324%24v%255.238968%40newshog.newsread.com&rnum=1
Archived locally as: Nradbury1 and Nradbury2)


From: "Yale F. Edeiken" <ya...@enter.net>

Subject: Re: Nradbury Goes Off the Deep End
Date: 2000/05/16
Message-ID: <Ms1U4.3324$v%5.23...@newshog.newsread.com>

(Exact quote for the record)

" I think you need a good psychiatirc examination. Perhaps you should ask
your shrink about people who write anonumus notes to others like: " You
are just as much of a filthy little cock sucker vermin as your butt buddy
Jeff Brown. You have to rely on out of context quotes and character
assassination. It would be a pleasure to see someone slowly work you over
with an ice pick Yale!""

No headers and no signature.

I guess the above is fair proof that Yale likes to forge e-mail even if it
is in his word "anonumus."

>> Your failure to do the same is noted. And will be by the judge.
>> --YFE

~~End of GOOGLE Archive Excerpt (With updated GOOGLE links)~~

PERJURY!!

Remember Sara you did admit this the other day:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=catamont-FB0D63...@news-60.giganews.com&lr=&hl=en
NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:58:10 -0600


From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism

Subject: Re: Leon Salzman Actionable for Unprofessional Libel? Could Be! Perhaps
I Should Consult with my Local Attorney!!
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
References: <jo0ktvo8vvbs51uja...@4ax.com>
<ge1ktvoqm9b3df3ga...@4ax.com>
<UTqCb.15017$aF2.1...@news20.bellglobal.com>
<0ciktv8tgf9mkah5a...@4ax.com>


User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X)

Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:57:19 -0700
Message-ID: <catamont-FB0D63...@news-60.giganews.com>
(Archived locally as: SaraPerjurAdmits)
EXCERPT

> Here are a some questions I bet you will dodge and they are simple questions!
>
> 1) Is fabricating evidence and submitting it to a civil court a criminal
> offense? Yes or No?

Yes.

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

What did Yale do when he took other peoples' posts (as the examples above prove)
and sign them as "Doc Tavish" and submit them to a civil court as evidence
against me? What about Yale taking an anonymous post and then making up a phoney
forged "--digsig Authentic Doc Tavish" and submitting it as evidence against me!
What do you call that Sara? The examples above are just a few of many! I am
filing new complaints after the Holidays because I am tired of being defamed by
lies some evil kike fabricated and if I nail his fat lying ass then other people
spreading that libel had better watch out! They know it's lies YET they keep
propagating it and sticking it up to my face!

REMEMBER ALL OF THE ABOVE CRIMINAL FALSIFICATION CAME FROM A BASTARD WHO HAS
ALREADY BEEN PUBLICLY CENSURED BY THE HIGHEST COURT IN HIS STATE!!

I.E.

http://padisciplinaryboard.org/attdiscdcd.php?id=40290
(Link active October 29, 2003. Archived locally as: shyster_censured)

Attorney ID - 40290
Edeiken, Yale F.
Pennsylvania Supreme Court Attorney Inquiry
Attorney ID Case County District
40290 122 DB 95 Lehigh II Public Censure Administered 10/20/98
^^^^^^^^^
<STOP>

A PDF file is available which gives a report on the above
122 DB 95 against Shyster Yale Fatso Edeiken:
http://padisciplinaryboard.org/attopinion.php?case=122DB95
^^^^^^^
http://www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPosting/disciplinaryboard/dboardopinions/122DB95.RPT.pdf
(Link active October 28, 2003. Archived locally as: "Edeiken_Gets_His" and
122DB95.RPT)

BTW Sara-- even though you as a pathological bitch liar keep claiming that
lawsuit was truthful and was "accepted as fact" and all based upon me not
replying and Yale getting a judgment against me was completely overturned and
dismissed!

Care to deny these FACTS?

The above document should be easily obtained from the Lehigh County Office of
Court Clerks! IOW I was NEVER allowed to defend myself against numerous perjured
false accusations!

CLERK OF COURTS OF LEHIGH COUNTY - CIVIL DIVISION
Lehigh County Courthouse
455 W. Hamilton Street
Allentown, PA 18101-1614
RE: Edeiken Vs Bradbury 1999-C-2786

BTW don't forget these:

Partial text of letter from Judge Reibman:

<START>

Copies of this order were mailed to all counsel of record and pro se litigants.

CC: Counsel for Plaintiff (Yale F. Edeiken): Yale F. Edeiken Esq.
Counsel for Defendant (Scott Bradbury) : Daylin B. Leach Esq.

ORDER

AND NOW, this 12th day of June, 2001, upon consideration of Defendant's
Petition for Relief from Judgment, filed on September 22, 2000,
Plaintiff's response thereto, and argument thereon on February 7, 2001,

IT IS ORDERED said petition is GRANTED, and the case is DISMISSED.

[...]

BY THE COURT:
(Signed) Edward J. Reibman, J.

<STOP>

IOW for the dull witted; I WON!! CASE CLOSED!! MOVE ON!!!

BTW don't overlook this document either!!

<Start>

September 26, 2001

Yale F. Edeiken
918 N BAYARD ST
Allentown, PA 18104-3759

Dear Mr. Edeiken:

Very truly yours,

The Attachment:

<Start>

V.

ORDER

appeal is DISMISSED....

PER CURIAM

<STOP>

HARDLY LOOKS LIKE THE COURTS STILL ACCEPTED YALE'S LIES AS FACT DOES IT!?

>So try again.

I just slam dunked you again and proved how you Jews lie through your teeth!
Perjury and submitting fabrcated evidence is a criminal offenses and Yale has
many counts of it too!

>Sara

Tavish

Special Note: Yale F. Edeiken Esq. of Allentown, Pennsylvania- Supreme Court
ID# 40290 has falsely asserted he was associated with the two law firms
mentioned below-- Todd Miller & Associates and Trainor Law Offices. Both law
firms told me first hand that Yale F. Edeiken was never an attorney at their
firms!! That is fact!

(Archived locally as: YaleTheNut)

[...]

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

_______________________________________________________________________________

James Gregory McTavish

unread,
Dec 16, 2003, 10:40:24 AM12/16/03
to
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:19:54 -0700,
<catamont-43AEAB...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

You have already been exposed to be a very dishonest lying pig!

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=93bstvos03c59sall...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She Wrote The
FIST Postings! Message-ID: <93bstvos03c59sall...@4ax.com>
Date: 15 Dec 2003 22:11:53 GMT
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

>


>-My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call
>is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong
>you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!

Notice I called Art Tandy a lying Jew Bastard (which he is) AFTER I had my fill


of his continual verbal abuse! I guess you expect me to not respond to such
abuse in the manner I did which is another reason why Jews are despised. Most
people hate double standards!

The above exchange was a result of this:
<start/quote>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ple4cv8432qih0sft30s5tqi7junbkc0c3%404ax.com&rnum=4
Subject: Re: Anti-Gun Organizations are Jewish ...
Message-ID: <ple4cv8432qih0sft...@4ax.com>
References: <abf0ff5d.03051...@posting.google.com>
On 13 May 2003 21:18:58 -0700, <abf0ff5d.03051...@posting.google.com>
tar...@indystart.com (knight57) wrote:

><deleted unreliable bullshit by the psychotic and chronic liar named
>Fatbury Scumbag>

My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call is all


a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong you dirty filthy

lying Jew bastard! <END>
------------------------
Rather than dealing in facts your Jew decided he would rather engage in
name calling and chose to ignore my proofs and it is all fully documented here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=rtasbv05mohed914ktef95j9dh3kc11dmr%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Arthur J. Tandy in Denial About Who The Main Gun Grabbers Are!
Message-ID: <rtasbv05mohed914k...@4ax.com>
Date: 11 May 2003 11:35:17 GMT (Archived as: AJT1)
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=kf6dcv8pgph2v568bnlhda66md7d4q8bg0%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Arthur J. Tandy's Fellow Jews Are Trying to Extend Their Gun Control!
Message-ID: <kf6dcv8pgph2v568b...@4ax.com>
Date: 11 May 2003 11:35:17 GMT (Archived as: AJT2)
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ple4cv8432qih0sft30s5tqi7junbkc0c3%404ax.com&rnum=4
Subject: Re: Anti-Gun Organizations are Jewish (Classic Repost from January 17,
1997) Message-ID: <ple4cv8432qih0sft...@4ax.com>
Date: 14 May 2003 13:23:47 GMT (Archived as: AJT3)
<end/quote>

>-I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and


>the bulk of my posts prove so!

Still TRUE and my original postings as a whole are not personal attacks!


The greater majority of Art Tandy's posts are name calling and personal
attacks which seems to be a very common method of reply by Jews and their
gentile USEFUL IDIOTS! Anyone reading the above three archives will see me
presenting many documented facts and in every case Art Tandy would reply
with: "I deny it, you ignorant fat piece of lying shit.. You are a fat lying
ignorant fuck.. Fatboy Turns Blind and runs Away from the Issue.. I am
telling the TRUTH, something you cannot do very well, fatscum.. That
doesn't prove all Jews support gun control, you fucking moron. Your
logic is ridiculous and you are a stupid degenerate lowlife... <deleted
unreliable bullshit by the psychotic and chronic liar named Fatbury Scumbag>"

>You can't discern the difference.


>BTW my name is not Fatboy you stupid kike.

Who called names first? It is Okay for Jews to hurl abuse in post after post but


when the recipient gets tired of it and calls the bastard a KIKE then you think
it is ironic or hypocritical. If you Jews don't like being called kikes, swine,
vermin etc, then STOP calling everyone you can't refute names!

> --Scott Bradbury, who completely misses the irony of the above

No, there is no irony. I will call you obnoxious Jews what you are every time


I've had my abundant fill of your Chutzpa or name calling! If you don't want me
to call you and your fellow Christ Denying Pharisees KIKES or Lying Jew
Bastards/Bitches in reply to your kind's continual insults hurled at me then you
should stop with the name calling! Plain and simple!!

_______________________________________________________________________________

James Gregory McTavish

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:29:11 -0500,
<c_uDb.12382$Ve.10...@news20.bellglobal.com> "Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null>
wrote:

>> >[FORGED AND ALTERED POSTS DELETED]
>>
>> Is the above your current dodge to distance yourself from these posts
>> which have all the headers intact and which you, in fact, made?
>
>Actually, the headers have been altered.

Those areb the full headers which existed before the fisting pig had the
archives nuked! THAT IS FADCT SO STOP DENYING TRUTH!

>By you, wasn't it?

How were they altered?

>-pk

You are into revisionism aren't you?

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=93bstvos03c59sall...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She Wrote The
FIST Postings! Message-ID: <93bstvos03c59sall...@4ax.com>
Date: 15 Dec 2003 22:11:53 GMT
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sara Salzman

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In article <vp4utvcb08st2d7kj...@4ax.com>,

James Gregory McTavish <JG_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:


[still dwelling in an event from years ago... can't say he's a winner if
he's still hammering away at it....]

Sara

--

-My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call
is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong
you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!

-I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and

the bulk of my posts prove so! You can't discern the difference.


BTW my name is not Fatboy you stupid kike.

Sara Salzman

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In article <v0butvga9jeeuv4h2...@4ax.com>,
James Gregory McTavish <JG_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:

[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]

Sara Salzman

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In article <gs9utvkd1gpm7tj19...@4ax.com>,

> >[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]

[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]

--

-My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call
is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong
you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!

-I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and

the bulk of my posts prove so! You can't discern the difference.


BTW my name is not Fatboy you stupid kike.

Doktor Tavische

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:33:52 -0700,
<catamont-7B8021...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> lied:

Jesus said to the lying Jews of his days: "You belong to your father, the
devil.. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and
the father of lies." John 8:44

>In article <vp4utvcb08st2d7kj...@4ax.com>,
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=vp4utvcb08st2d7kj...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en

Anyone who clicks the link above can see what the Child of the Father of Lies
ran from!

CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL IDENTIFIED:

John 8:
37 I know you are Abraham's descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because
you have no room for my word.
38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you do what
you have heard from your father."
39 "Abraham is our father," they answered.
40 "If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do the things
Abraham did. As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the
truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.
41 You are doing the things your own father does."
"We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is
God himself."

The Children of the Devil

42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came
from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I
say.
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's
desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for
there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is
a liar and the father of lies.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't
you believe me?
47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that
you do not belong to God."
48 The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan
and demon-possessed?"
49 "I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you
dishonor me..

<<The above is irrefutable about who Jesus referred to as the Children of the
Devil.>>

> James Gregory McTavish <JG_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:
>
>
>[still dwelling in an event from years ago...

I am still being defamed by Yale's perjury!
I am still being harassed because of Yale's perjury!
I am still being stalked because Yale illegally posting
confidential info he subpoenaed namely my address and
telephone number!

I am still being insulted with FAT remarks because of Yale's
lies and YES- after the Holidays I am re-filing and I will be
able to convince the board the harassment and defamation is
still ongoing!

I will show how I have refuted such defamation YET two web sites
still carry the perjurious libel when it has been made known to
be false and that the complaints were never served which meant
neither my attorney nor myself ever saw them YET you and Ken
McVay decided to post them all over the place after the lawsuit
was dismissed in my favor!

Funny thing that you two were furnished copies of what my attorney
could not get!! What was your motive in posting them in the first
place and why is such still carried by two communist front web
sites-- Nizkor and Anti-Fascism ORGS other than to smear me and put
me in harm's way! Both web sites give out the town, the county, and
the state where I live too!

You want me to add your town, county, and state to my postings concerning your
S&M torture writings? You know I will too!

Proof the two orgs named above are communist fronts:

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=ompjmv8ikp1d1rara...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Paul Kneisel's NYC Based web site ANTI-FASCISM.ORG Advocates Communist
Revolution with NYCT.NET's Approval V3.0 R_0918
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:18:06 -0500
Message-ID: <ompjmv8ikp1d1rara...@4ax.com>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=p0afnvchj52pcuh6c0dk78f9bs7ngfetac%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge Against
America, Capitalism, and Christianity R_0928
Message-ID: <p0afnvchj52pcuh6c...@4ax.com>
Date: 29 Sep 2003 03:38:54 GMT

>can't say he's a winner if he's still hammering away at it....]

I am the winner and I won hands down you lying perjurious bitch BUT I am still
being defamed and harassed by kooks who YOU and Yale let know where I live!

Mark my word: I AM GOING TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO HAVE EDEIKEN DISBARRED
AND HIS LICENSE REVOKED!!

I am fed up with being smeared by his lies and YOUR lies!

BTW I noticed you still won't deal with the FACT Yale fabricated evidence
against me! WHY IS THAT YOU GOD DAMNED PIG? You even admitted fabricating
evidence is a criminal offense and Yale has many counts of it too! He took
other people's posts and signed them as "Doc Tavish" and then submitted them
to a civil court as "evidence" against me! CARE TO DENY IT YOU GOD DAMNED PIG!?

I.E. Just two examples of Yale's perjury:

>Archive/File: people/b/bradbury.scott/Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1
>Last-Modified: 2001/02/15
>
>IN THE COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF LEHIGH COUNTY
>
>CIVIL DIVISION -- LAW
>
>YALE F. EDEIKEN :
> :
>Plaintiff :
> :
>vs. : No. 99-C- 2786
> :
>

That is perjury submitting falsified evidence! Care to prove I ever had an
account with that ISP!?

an account at the ISP used either! CRIMINAL PERJURY!!!

Here is a BONUS example of Yale's perjury against me:

I AM TIRED OF BEING DEFAMED AND HARASSED BECAUSE OF THAT BASTARD'S LIES!!

There have been new elections since my first complaint and we will see what
happens when I re-file anew! Shit like you can't understand why your kind are
despised! People resent filth who tell lies and when they are caught they deny
and vilify!

YALE ALREADY HAS THIS MAJOR STRIKE AGAINST HIM TOO!

http://padisciplinaryboard.org/attdiscdcd.php?id=40290
(Link active October 29, 2003. Archived locally as: shyster_censured)

Attorney ID - 40290
Edeiken, Yale F.
Pennsylvania Supreme Court Attorney Inquiry
Attorney ID Case County District
40290 122 DB 95 Lehigh II Public Censure Administered 10/20/98
^^^^^^^^^
<STOP>

A PDF file is available which gives a report on the above
122 DB 95 against Shyster Yale Fatso Edeiken:
http://padisciplinaryboard.org/attopinion.php?case=122DB95
^^^^^^^
http://www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPosting/disciplinaryboard/dboardopinions/122DB95.RPT.pdf
(Link active October 28, 2003. Archived locally as: "Edeiken_Gets_His" and
122DB95.RPT)

BTW The Disciplinary Board was content to give your hero a "private reprimand"
but he continued to act like the psychotic nutcase he is and defied them and
refused to appear at his hearing more than once! He was then "forced" to appear
and the "private reprimand" had escalated to "PUBLIC CENSURE" by the highest
court of that bastard's state! Read the report you pig and see how deplorable
your lardass sidekick was/is! Won't take much now to have his law license yanked
will it?

BTW Yale had already received one "Private Reprimand" in 1993 and Yale had
received an "Informal Admonition" in 1995! Then the bastard got "PUBLIC CENSURE"
in 1998!!! Looks like your hero is real shining example of the legal profession
doesn't it? Want to deny it pig? Why that shyster still has his law license is a
mystery to me! His assaulting a Deputy Sher4iff should ave done him in- in 1990!

I.E.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3921e1e6.182032557%40news.newsguy.com&rnum=1
From: doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com (Doc Tavish)
Subject: CITY ATTORNEY FOUND GUILTY IN ELEVATOR CONFRONTATION
Date: 2000/05/17
Message-ID: <3921e1e6....@news.newsguy.com>

http://www.mcall.com/cgi-bin/slwebsto.cgi?DBLIST=mc90&DOCNUM=39046
Date: Wednesday, September 19, 1990
Page: B02
Edition: FIFTH
Section: LOCAL/REGION
Column:

CITY ATTORNEY FOUND GUILTY IN ELEVATOR CONFRONTATION

---end---

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=8cgk8901c82%40news1.newsguy.com&rnum=5

---end of article---

Now go fist yourself you ugly whore!

>Sara


>
>-My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call
>is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong
>you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!

Notice I called Art Tandy a lying Jew Bastard (which he is) AFTER I had my fill


of his continual verbal abuse! I guess you expect me to not respond to such
abuse in the manner I did which is another reason why Jews are despised. Most
people hate double standards!

The above exchange was a result of this:
<start/quote>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ple4cv8432qih0sft30s5tqi7junbkc0c3%404ax.com&rnum=4
Subject: Re: Anti-Gun Organizations are Jewish ...
Message-ID: <ple4cv8432qih0sft...@4ax.com>
References: <abf0ff5d.03051...@posting.google.com>
On 13 May 2003 21:18:58 -0700, <abf0ff5d.03051...@posting.google.com>
tar...@indystart.com (knight57) wrote:

><deleted unreliable bullshit by the psychotic and chronic liar named
>Fatbury Scumbag>

My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call is all


a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong you dirty filthy

lying Jew bastard! <END>
------------------------
Rather than dealing in facts your Jew decided he would rather engage in
name calling and chose to ignore my proofs and it is all fully documented here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=rtasbv05mohed914ktef95j9dh3kc11dmr%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Arthur J. Tandy in Denial About Who The Main Gun Grabbers Are!
Message-ID: <rtasbv05mohed914k...@4ax.com>
Date: 11 May 2003 11:35:17 GMT (Archived as: AJT1)
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=kf6dcv8pgph2v568bnlhda66md7d4q8bg0%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Arthur J. Tandy's Fellow Jews Are Trying to Extend Their Gun Control!
Message-ID: <kf6dcv8pgph2v568b...@4ax.com>
Date: 11 May 2003 11:35:17 GMT (Archived as: AJT2)
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ple4cv8432qih0sft30s5tqi7junbkc0c3%404ax.com&rnum=4
Subject: Re: Anti-Gun Organizations are Jewish (Classic Repost from January 17,
1997) Message-ID: <ple4cv8432qih0sft...@4ax.com>
Date: 14 May 2003 13:23:47 GMT (Archived as: AJT3)
<end/quote>

>-I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and


>the bulk of my posts prove so!

Still TRUE and my original postings as a whole are not personal attacks!


The greater majority of Art Tandy's posts are name calling and personal
attacks which seems to be a very common method of reply by Jews and their
gentile USEFUL IDIOTS! Anyone reading the above three archives will see me
presenting many documented facts and in every case Art Tandy would reply
with: "I deny it, you ignorant fat piece of lying shit.. You are a fat lying
ignorant fuck.. Fatboy Turns Blind and runs Away from the Issue.. I am
telling the TRUTH, something you cannot do very well, fatscum.. That
doesn't prove all Jews support gun control, you fucking moron. Your
logic is ridiculous and you are a stupid degenerate lowlife... <deleted
unreliable bullshit by the psychotic and chronic liar named Fatbury Scumbag>"

>You can't discern the difference.


>BTW my name is not Fatboy you stupid kike.

Who called names first? It is Okay for Jews to hurl abuse in post after post but


when the recipient gets tired of it and calls the bastard a KIKE then you think
it is ironic or hypocritical. If you Jews don't like being called kikes, swine,
vermin etc, then STOP calling everyone you can't refute names!

> --Scott Bradbury, who completely misses the irony of the above

No, there is no irony. I will call you obnoxious Jews what you are every time


I've had my abundant fill of your Chutzpa or name calling! If you don't want me
to call you and your fellow Christ Denying Pharisees KIKES or Lying Jew
Bastards/Bitches in reply to your kind's continual insults hurled at me then you
should stop with the name calling! Plain and simple!!

Tavish

Doktor Tavische

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:37:02 -0700,
<catamont-C46DCB...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

Jesus said to the lying Jews of his days: "You belong to your father, the
devil.. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and
the father of lies." John 8:44

>In article <v0butvga9jeeuv4h2...@4ax.com>,


> James Gregory McTavish <JG_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:
>
>[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]

FALSE!! You did post the FISTING posts!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5rhktv483m9oofgqt8goir93o4pm08ht49%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in
Addition to Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism
Message-ID: <5rhktv483m9oofgqt...@4ax.com>
Date: 12 Dec 2003 22:57:48 GMT

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=kgqc8vc1uc11l0tqme9efdkaplu3an2qm1%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Three questions Nizkor's Ken McVay Avoids Like the Plague-- Watch Him
Run to the Hills!!
Message-ID: <kgqc8vc1uc11l0tqm...@4ax.com>
Date: 30 Mar 2003 03:49:44 GMT

Tavish

Doktor Tavische

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:37:30 -0700,
<catamont-73DCB1...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>> >> >maybe you should try posting something ON-TOPIC, for a CHANGE.
>> >>
>> >> I did. This news group deals with revisionism and you are seeking to
>> >> revise history! You have been caught lying so go fist yourself you pig!
>> >>
>> >[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]
>
>[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]

B.S.! YOU MADE THOSE POSTS YOU LYING PIG!!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=07qc8vguuom77pvmugliksb3dmdf8pp82r%404ax.com&rnum=6
Subject: Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
Message-ID: <07qc8vguuom77pvmu...@4ax.com>

Date: 30 Mar 2003 03:49:22 GMT

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=m1p5nv4es86j78p5dr5pe41l8pi3vfcst0%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED The Most Heinous Murder Plot Ever Devised (For Your Archives &
Research) V2.5 R_0925
Message-ID: <m1p5nv4es86j78p5d...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Sep 2003 13:23:49 GMT

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=k11ucvc1j4hl6s7av6qpr9882esa96oaav%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Babylon the Great - Religious Persecution, Torture, Harassment R_0524
Message-ID: <k11ucvc1j4hl6s7av...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:17 GMT

Tavish

Sara Salzman

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Dec 16, 2003, 9:32:40 PM12/16/03
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In article <8v7vtv4a4d68l1jtm...@4ax.com>,
Doktor Tavische <Doktor_...@TAVISCHE-GMBH-CENTRAL.NET> wrote:

[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED, along with all kinds of old crap]

Get a new hobby, Mr. Bradbury. No one cares anymore.

Sara

--

-My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call
is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong
you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!

-I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and

the bulk of my posts prove so! You can't discern the difference.


BTW my name is not Fatboy you stupid kike.

Sara Salzman

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In article <onfvtv4oq1igfb1gt...@4ax.com>,
Doktor Tavische <Doktor_...@TAVISCHE-GMBH-CENTRAL.NET> wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:37:30 -0700,
> <catamont-73DCB1...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> >maybe you should try posting something ON-TOPIC, for a CHANGE.
> >> >>
> >> >> I did. This news group deals with revisionism and you are seeking to
> >> >> revise history! You have been caught lying so go fist yourself you pig!
> >> >>
> >> >[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]
> >
> >[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]
>
> B.S.! YOU MADE THOSE POSTS YOU LYING PIG!!
>

[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]

--

Sara Salzman

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In article <nffvtvo4rpiq0akjh...@4ax.com>,
Doktor Tavische <Doktor_...@TAVISCHE-GMBH-CENTRAL.NET> wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:37:02 -0700,
> <catamont-C46DCB...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
>
> >In article <v0butvga9jeeuv4h2...@4ax.com>,
> > James Gregory McTavish <JG_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:
> >
> >[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]
>
> FALSE!! You did post the FISTING posts!
>

[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]

--

Doktor Tavische

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:32:40 -0700,
<catamont-9D7CFD...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>In article <8v7vtv4a4d68l1jtm...@4ax.com>,
> Doktor Tavische <Doktor_...@TAVISCHE-GMBH-CENTRAL.NET> wrote:
>
>[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED, along with all kinds of old crap]

They weren't altered or forged you lying pig and you know it! And what you call
old crap is your pimp's criminal perjury and his piss poor record as an
attorney! WHO WOULD WANT EDEIKEN AS A PARTNER AT THEIR LAW FIRM WITH A RECORD
LIKE HIS!?

>Get a new hobby, Mr. Bradbury. No one cares anymore.

You do because you keep trying to maintain your pathetic lie!

>Sara

Why don't you show both sides of a two way exchange you slob?

>-My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call
>is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong
>you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!

Notice I called Art Tandy a lying Jew Bastard (which he is) AFTER I had my fill


of his continual verbal abuse! I guess you expect me to not respond to such
abuse in the manner I did which is another reason why Jews are despised. Most
people hate double standards!

The above exchange was a result of this:
<start/quote>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ple4cv8432qih0sft30s5tqi7junbkc0c3%404ax.com&rnum=4
Subject: Re: Anti-Gun Organizations are Jewish ...
Message-ID: <ple4cv8432qih0sft...@4ax.com>
References: <abf0ff5d.03051...@posting.google.com>
On 13 May 2003 21:18:58 -0700, <abf0ff5d.03051...@posting.google.com>
tar...@indystart.com (knight57) wrote:

><deleted unreliable bullshit by the psychotic and chronic liar named
>Fatbury Scumbag>

My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call is all


a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong you dirty filthy

lying Jew bastard! <END>
------------------------
Rather than dealing in facts your Jew decided he would rather engage in
name calling and chose to ignore my proofs and it is all fully documented here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=rtasbv05mohed914ktef95j9dh3kc11dmr%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Arthur J. Tandy in Denial About Who The Main Gun Grabbers Are!
Message-ID: <rtasbv05mohed914k...@4ax.com>
Date: 11 May 2003 11:35:17 GMT (Archived as: AJT1)
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=kf6dcv8pgph2v568bnlhda66md7d4q8bg0%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Arthur J. Tandy's Fellow Jews Are Trying to Extend Their Gun Control!
Message-ID: <kf6dcv8pgph2v568b...@4ax.com>
Date: 11 May 2003 11:35:17 GMT (Archived as: AJT2)
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ple4cv8432qih0sft30s5tqi7junbkc0c3%404ax.com&rnum=4
Subject: Re: Anti-Gun Organizations are Jewish (Classic Repost from January 17,
1997) Message-ID: <ple4cv8432qih0sft...@4ax.com>
Date: 14 May 2003 13:23:47 GMT (Archived as: AJT3)
<end/quote>

>-I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and


>the bulk of my posts prove so!

Still TRUE and my original postings as a whole are not personal attacks!


The greater majority of Art Tandy's posts are name calling and personal
attacks which seems to be a very common method of reply by Jews and their
gentile USEFUL IDIOTS! Anyone reading the above three archives will see me
presenting many documented facts and in every case Art Tandy would reply
with: "I deny it, you ignorant fat piece of lying shit.. You are a fat lying
ignorant fuck.. Fatboy Turns Blind and runs Away from the Issue.. I am
telling the TRUTH, something you cannot do very well, fatscum.. That
doesn't prove all Jews support gun control, you fucking moron. Your
logic is ridiculous and you are a stupid degenerate lowlife... <deleted
unreliable bullshit by the psychotic and chronic liar named Fatbury Scumbag>"

>You can't discern the difference.


>BTW my name is not Fatboy you stupid kike.

Who called names first? It is Okay for Jews to hurl abuse in post after post but


when the recipient gets tired of it and calls the bastard a KIKE then you think
it is ironic or hypocritical. If you Jews don't like being called kikes, swine,
vermin etc, then STOP calling everyone you can't refute names!

> --Scott Bradbury, who completely misses the irony of the above

No, there is no irony. I will call you obnoxious Jews what you are every time

Sara Salzman

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In article <bjivtvc7bj3tf9plr...@4ax.com>,
Doktor Tavische <Doktor_...@TAVISCHE-GMBH-CENTRAL.NET> wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:32:40 -0700,
> <catamont-9D7CFD...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <8v7vtv4a4d68l1jtm...@4ax.com>,
> > Doktor Tavische <Doktor_...@TAVISCHE-GMBH-CENTRAL.NET> wrote:
> >
> >[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED, along with all kinds of old crap]
>
> They weren't altered or forged you lying pig and you know it! And what you
> call
> old crap is your pimp's criminal perjury and his piss poor record as an
> attorney! WHO WOULD WANT EDEIKEN AS A PARTNER AT THEIR LAW FIRM WITH A RECORD
> LIKE HIS!?
>


[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED, along with all kinds of old crap]

--

-My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call
is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong
you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!

-I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and

the bulk of my posts prove so! You can't discern the difference.


BTW my name is not Fatboy you stupid kike.

Larry Mondelo

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:40:33 -0700,
<catamont-FF382A...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED, along with all kinds of old crap]

They aren't altered or forged you fat pig and you know it! Keep lying and I will
keep exposing it!

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=93bstvos03c59sall...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She Wrote The
FIST Postings! Message-ID: <93bstvos03c59sall...@4ax.com>
Date: 15 Dec 2003 22:11:53 GMT

Tavish

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=8a6vtv8ssbep61qab...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Apartheid Laws in Israel (Different Author Series) V2.0 R_1216
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:04:05 -0600
Message-ID: <8a6vtv8ssbep61qab...@4ax.com>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa8sfa0qfboa6ull055%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Comparing Israel's "Anti-Christ Activism" to Other Middle East Nations
is NOT a Valid Comparison V2.5 R_0821
Message-ID: <upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa...@4ax.com>
Date: 21 Aug 2003 12:22:34 GMT

Larry Mondelo

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to
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:23:31 -0600

From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Bradbury Linked To Stupidityhttp://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en

User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X)

Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:22:40 -0700
Message-ID: <catamont-ACC409...@news-60.giganews.com>
Lines: 22

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:22:40 -0700,

<catamont-ACC409...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>In article <71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com>,
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
> James Seymour McTavish <JS_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:
>
>[same old same old deleted]
>
>>
>> Go fist yourself you dirty whore!
>
>I sure am glad Mr. Bradbury doesn't engage in personal attacks.

Calling a person who quotes me out of context, spreads libel about me, comes to

my hometown to defame me, bears false witness against me in a civil suit, posts


my new phone number etc. a dirty whore is actually being kind and exercising
self restraint!

>[FORGED AND ALTERED POSTS DELETED]

Is the above your current dodge to distance yourself from these posts which have
all the headers intact and which you, in fact, made?

<start/quote>


From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Fist Fucking
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p01.infinet.com>
Date: 12 Feb 95 04:19:44 GMT
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 13
NNTP-Posting-Host: p01.infinet.com

By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.

Says so right on the label.

We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.

Your mileage may, of course, vary.

Perrrfect

--

It never rains under my umbrella

~~End~~

From: ssch...@infinet.com


Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:19:07 GMT
References: <3hf46h$p...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.infinet.com

In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:

> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
>
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.

I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience.

--

<end/quote>

>From: ssch...@infinet.com
>Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage


>Subject: My Master Holds The Ropes Just So (poem)
>Date: Sun, 05 Feb 1995 14:49:12 -0500
>Organization: InfiNet
>Lines: 114
>Message-ID: <sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com>
>NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.infinet.com
>
>My Master holds the rope just so.
>
>He knows me. Knows my moods. Knows the fear behind my eyes, both real and
>imagined.
>
>Those eyes widen as he gently lays the rope down, as he carefully,
>methodically, systematically, lays the toys down on the bed.
>
>Soft moans escape from behind gagged lips. I have been told to watch.
>To see each and know that soon each will touch me.
>
>He looks up briefly as he lays each down on the bed. Checking reactions.
>Watching.
>
>The short whip. A sigh.
>The deerskin. The suede.

<<Tavish comment December 15, 2003: BTW The above proves the "Poem" above
existed as well!>>

<SNIP>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=6&selm=sschwartz-1102952319440001%40p01.infinet.com


From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Fist Fucking
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p01.infinet.com>
Date: 12 Feb 95 04:19:44 GMT
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 13
NNTP-Posting-Host: p01.infinet.com

By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.

Says so right on the label.

We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.

Your mileage may, of course, vary.

Perrrfect

--

It never rains under my umbrella

~~End of EXACT GOOGLE Archive~~

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=7&selm=sschwartz-1102950819070001%40p14.infinet.com


From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:19:07 GMT
References: <3hf46h$p...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.infinet.com

In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:

> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
>
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.

I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience.

--

It never rains under my umbrella
Pete Townshend

~~End of EXACT GOOGLE Archive~~

Just read what Sara said: " I *did* state that fist fucking was not something I


had done very often, and merely wanted to impart my own (limited) experience."

and then look at her picture!
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif

That is enough to blow your mind!

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt for December 15, 2003~~~

I was quite prophetic on December 29, 2001 when I stated above:
"Remember- even though the disgusting pig had GOOGLE Nuke her sick S&M screeds
there were some of us who had the fore-sight to save those "classics" as web
pages knowing the pig would try to "revise history" and engage in "denial.""

Archived locally as: FistProof_12-29-01

Here Sara "The Fist" Salzman recently proving she wrote and posted the material
above she is now trying to distance herself from by claiming forged headers etc.
Notice what she is complaining about! She is NOT denying having posting the FIST
documents!!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=catamont-FBD009.07132512102003%40news-60.giganews.com&rnum=2
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:14:44 -0500
From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: A New Act for Vegas?

Organization: Concentric Internet Services

> On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:06:39 -0600,
> <catamont-6AEF89...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman

FAKED HEADER

> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Fist Fucking

DATE DELETED

> :


> By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.
> Says so right on the label.
> We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.
> Your mileage may, of course, vary.
> Perrrfect

> --
> It never rains under my umbrella
> ~~End~~

And your problem with this is...?

> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman

FAKED HEADER

> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage


> Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)

DATE DELETED

> In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
> Antoniou) wrote:
> > Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> > of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> > all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> > suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> > on to say *exactly that*.
> In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
> just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.
> I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
> fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
> impart my own (limited) experience. <END>

> Imagine the person in these photos assuming the "duck" position
> and "fisting" herself!

Only because you a) have no sex life and therefore must fantasize about

others; and b) have no sex life and therefore cannot imagine a
relationship involving TWO people; c) cannot stop yourself from fixating
on the sex lives of consenting adults; d) are a lying moron who forges
headers to suit his own twisted sexual fantasies.

Hope this helps.

Sara

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

Archived locally: SaraCaughtFisting

Notice Sara "The Fist" Salzman did NOT deny posting such gems! She only
complained about the dates missing and altered headers and then she makes
personal attacks on me in defense of her fisting which she claims is: "the
sex lives of consenting adults." Looks like a solo act to me Sara!!! You
did state: "I *did* state that fist fucking was not something I had done very
often.." instead of: "I *did* state that fist fucking was not something [WE]

had done very often.." YOU HAVE BEEN SLAM DUNKED YOU SQUEALING FISTING PIG!

Also see the revisionism of Sara didn't post "My Master Holds the Rope Just So
Poem" debunked in this archive:

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=r47qtvgs1chei5l9p...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Re: Does John Morris Want Sara "The Fist" Salzman to Perform S&M On Him
That He Apparently Approves Of?
Reply-To: JG_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net
Message-ID: <r47qtvgs1chei5l9p...@4ax.com>

The point of all of this is-- if Sara Salzman, who is a Nizkor contributor, will


lie about such matters as these and be an accomplice to a lawsuit filled with
perjury then why should she or the rest of her crowd be trusted?

I wonder what Dr. Leon Salzman's OPINION would be on his daughter Sara's

sado-masochistic fantasies and her fisting? Many sources claim sado-masochism is


a personality disorder which explains why Sara is sometimes referred to as
Psycho Sara or even Crackpot Sara.

It may be genetic and now I ask what are the odds of a woman giving birth to a
child with mental developmental disabilities? Slim and none? What are the odds

of the same woman giving birth to two separate children (not twins) and both of

Archived locally as: SaraAdmitsRetardation

>Sara

Does this sig line meet you approval now Sara The Fist?

Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:

Imagine the fat Jewish sow in these photos assuming the "duck"

The FISTER also swore in a civil court my attorney called her a crackpot (which
is very true):

From: (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Subject: Edeiken v. Bradbury: Affidavit
Archive/File: people/b/bradbury.scott/Edeiken-v-Bradbury-A2.01
Last-Modified: 2001/02/07

AFFIDAVIT
I, Sara Salzman, being duly sworn, state as follows:

[...]

15. That Daylin Leach refused to act to halt the campaign of harassment
and stated that if Deponent wished to avoid such harassment, that she
should "stop bothering" Defendant Bradbury...
16. That in response to her complaint and concerns for the safety of
her immediate and extended family, Daylin Leach informed Deponent that she
was a "crackpot"... <END>

Sara "The Fist" Salzman has quite a reputation and she really likes having her
breasts whipped and her buttocks caned as this archive details:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=aa0d1ucdf9q9mlc9sla5ng7pvgt59oru59%404ax.com&rnum=6&filter=0
Subject: Re: Google expands it's base and reveals Sara even more!!
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:05:00 -0600
Message-ID: <aa0d1ucdf9q9mlc9s...@4ax.com>
(Archived locally as: SaraMasterPoem)

Here is Sara "The Fist" Salzman and her Gang trying to wipe away all traces of
her perverted writings which she NUKED from GOOGLE Archives:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3%24--%24%24-_-%24%25-%24%25%25%24%24%24%40news.noc.cabal.int&rnum=9&filter=0
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3%24--%24%24-_-%24%25-%24%25%25%24%24%24%40news.noc.cabal.int&output=gplain
Subject: REPOST: Re: <<<Scott Bradbury's S&M Mutilation & Torture Threats
Released For the Archives!!!>>>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.sex.bondage,soc.culture.jewish
X-Repost-Date: 8 Jan 2002 16:20:37 GMT
Message-ID: <3$--$$-_-$%-$%%$$$@news.noc.cabal.int>
X-Original-Path: news.sol.net!spool1-nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!
newsfeeds.sol.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!
look.ca!news.noc.cabal.int!resurrector!guidorepost!not-for-mail
X-Original-Message-ID: <2$--$$-_$---$_$%%$@news.noc.cabal.int>
X-Repost-Date: 7 Jan 2002 01:40:24 GMT
X-Original-Path: sn-us!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!
newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!
news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail
X-Original-Message-ID: <r1ob3u4q3j5o0aaj7...@4ax.com>
X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: c7.ae.01.82
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:03:19 -0600
Notice my posts were forged canceled twice and Guido the Resurrector
reposted them twice! (Archived locally as: Guido1 and Guido2)

SO MUCH FOR SARA'S DENIAL AND REVISIONISM!!

Tavish

Patrick Humphrey

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Larry Mondelo <larry_mondello@mayfield01net> writes:

>On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:40:33 -0700,
><catamont-FF382A...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
><cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>>[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED, along with all kinds of old crap]

>They aren't altered or forged you fat pig and you know it! Keep lying and I
>will keep exposing it!

Who the hell do you think you're fooling, Fatbury? (Besides yourself, of
course.)

--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)

Beaver Cleaver

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Dec 17, 2003, 8:35:21 PM12/17/03
to
On 17 Dec 2003 15:20:13 -0600, <szkiskf5e...@fnord.io.com> Patrick
Humphrey <pat...@io.com> wrote:

>Larry Mondelo <larry_mondello@mayfield01net> writes:
>
>>On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:40:33 -0700,
>><catamont-FF382A...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
>><cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
>>>[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED, along with all kinds of old crap]
>
>>They aren't altered or forged you fat pig and you know it! Keep lying and I
>>will keep exposing it!
>
>Who the hell do you think you're fooling, Fatbury?

Why don't you accept my challenge you pernicious little shit?

--To those people who can only hurl obese or fat insults I offer
the $10,000.00 Challenge for Edeikenites Who Won't Admit Yale Lied!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5oimrvs7agr9m92kj3q74a22vba99coeos%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: The $10,000 Challenge to Ken McVay aka Re: Harold Covington & Scott
Bradbury: The Blubberbury Twins
Message-ID: <5oimrvs7agr9m92kj...@4ax.com>
References: <bpe9d...@enews3.newsguy.com>
Date: 19 Nov 2003 11:29:26 GMT
Original challenge was made: Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:23:17 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=4q0pbtc3gk6oour5opkjkj1q00geehk9n3%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Yale F. Edeiken Making False Claims About My Medical Records...
Message-ID: <4q0pbtc3gk6oour5o...@4ax.com>
"NEW CHALLENGE: I will offer $1000.00 to anyone who will step up and
substantiate what Yale F. Edeiken claimed in his post about my Hermann
Hospital discharge diagnosis numbered 50 04882 6 9356."
I have upped the offer too since March 2001 YET not one Lying Jew
bastard/bitch or any of their USEFUL IDIOT gentile stooges has taken me up
on it which proves my opposition would rather lie and smear than deal with
truth!

>>They aren't altered or forged you fat pig and you know it! Keep lying and I
>>will keep exposing it!
>
>Who the hell do you think you're fooling,

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: V2.0b Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She Wrote
The FIST Postings! Message-ID: <hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com>
Date: 17 Dec 2003 19:40:10 GMT

Sara and YOU are proved to be liars agan and again!

Tavish

---Undeniable proof Patrick "Peeping Tom" Humphrey has a mental disorder:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=4&ic=1&selm=50ht24%24l0g%40anarchy.io.com
Subject: Re: PATRICK "THE STALKER?"
Date: 1996/09/03
Message-ID: <50ht24$l...@anarchy.io.com>
references: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960808...@omni.cc.purdue.edu>
---Sad, but true, but at least it'll be a bit easier than I thought to
encounter "Shawn" when I'm in Austin next month--if I'm out at night, just look
for anyone peeking into windows... Patrick L. Humphrey

Here is what some experts say about Patrick's behavior:

http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/db/issues/99/10.28/news.peeping.html
(Archived locally as: PLH_Voyeur)
Voyeurism at root of Peeping Tom incidents
CRIME: Cases uncommon on campus; recent arrest one of seven since 1997
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
By Linh Tat Daily Bruin Contributor Although everyone has heard the term
"Peeping Tom" before, most people may still be in the dark when it comes to
understanding the nature of this criminal offense. Many people may label a
person who secretly observes another undressing or in the nude as a Peeping Tom,
but they do not always consider that those who repeatedly commit this offense
may suffer from a psychological disorder.... <END>

http://www.google.com/search?q=psychiatric+disorder+%22Peeping+Tom%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&as_qdr=all&start=20&sa=N

http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/briefs/2000/0responses/2000-0919.resp.html
(Archived locally as: 2000-0919)
http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/briefs/2000/0responses/2000-0919.resp.pdf
(Archived locally as: 2000-0919.resp.pdf)
...In November 1997, after reviewing police reports that implicated petitioner
as a suspect in a "Peeping Tom" incident that occurred in the vicinity of the
rape, NCIS reopened its investigation. Pet. App. 23a. Thereafter, the NCIS
office in Hawaii asked NCIS Special Agent John McNutt, assigned to the NCIS
office in Memphis, Tennessee, to interrogate petitioner, who was living in
Memphis, and to ask him to provide NCIS with a sample of his blood. Id. at 24a.
After learning that petitioner was receiving medical treatment at the
Veteran's Administration (VA) Hospital in Memphis, McNutt contacted the VA and
was allowed to review petitioner's medical records. Pet. App. 24a. During that
review, McNutt learned that petitioner was being treated for diabetes and a
mental disorder.... <END>

Gord McFee

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On 17 Dec 2003 02:27:08 GMT, Doktor Tavische wrote:

> B.S.! YOU MADE THOSE POSTS

"My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call


is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong you
dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!"

"I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and the bulk of my


posts prove so! You can't discern the difference. BTW my name is not
Fatboy you stupid kike."

-- Scott Bradbury, who never calls people names and is an expert in irony

--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time

Visit the Holocaust History Project
http://www.holocaust-history.org

Gord McFee

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On 17 Dec 2003 02:25:00 GMT, Doktor Tavische wrote:

> FALSE!! You did post

"My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call
is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong you
dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!"

"I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and the bulk of my


posts prove so! You can't discern the difference. BTW my name is not
Fatboy you stupid kike."

-- Scott Bradbury, who never calls people names and is an expert in irony

Gord McFee

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On 17 Dec 2003 01:11:51 GMT, Doktor Tavische wrote:

> Jesus said

"My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call
is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong you
dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!"

"I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and the bulk of my
posts prove so! You can't discern the difference. BTW my name is not
Fatboy you stupid kike."

-- Scott Bradbury, who never calls people names and is an expert in irony

Gord McFee

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On 17 Dec 2003 03:24:08 GMT, Doktor Tavische wrote:

> They weren't altered or forged

"My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call


is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong you
dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!"

"I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and the bulk of my
posts prove so! You can't discern the difference. BTW my name is not
Fatboy you stupid kike."

-- Scott Bradbury, who never calls people names and is an expert in irony

Gord McFee

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On 17 Dec 2003 19:05:28 GMT, Larry Mondelo wrote:

> They aren't altered or forged

"My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call


is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong you
dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!"

"I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and the bulk of my


posts prove so! You can't discern the difference. BTW my name is not
Fatboy you stupid kike."

-- Scott Bradbury, who never calls people names and is an expert in irony

Sara Salzman

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In article <hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com>,
Larry Mondelo <larry_mondello@mayfield01net> wrote:

> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:23:31 -0600
> From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> Subject: Re: Bradbury Linked To Stupidity
> Organization: Concentric Internet Services
> References: <bf3896a1.03121...@posting.google.com>
> <9ohntvcg4mchndv0u...@4ax.com>
> <e816d6c84d692d74...@news.teranews.com>
> <p2kntvs21dvuurutf...@4ax.com>
> <catamont-F2837C...@news-60.giganews.com>
> <71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=71pntv4j32

> qbl4j3ok5ta3...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en


>
> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X)
> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:22:40 -0700
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> Lines: 22
>
> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:22:40 -0700,
> <catamont-ACC409...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com>,
> http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=71pntv4j32

> qbl4j3ok5ta3...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en


> > James Seymour McTavish <JS_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:
> >
> >[same old same old deleted]
> >
> >>
> >> Go fist yourself you dirty whore!
> >
> >I sure am glad Mr. Bradbury doesn't engage in personal attacks.
>
> Calling a person who quotes me out of context, spreads libel about me, comes
> to
> my hometown to defame me, bears false witness against me in a civil suit,
> posts
> my new phone number etc. a dirty whore is actually being kind and exercising
> self restraint!
>
> >[FORGED AND ALTERED POSTS DELETED]
>
> Is the above your current dodge to distance yourself from these posts which
> have
> all the headers intact and which you, in fact, made?
>

[FORGED AND ALTERED POSTS DELETED]

--
-My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call


is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong
you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!

-I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and


the bulk of my posts prove so! You can't discern the difference.
BTW my name is not Fatboy you stupid kike.

Sara Salzman

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Dec 17, 2003, 9:26:07 PM12/17/03
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In article <p6a1uv87bqchaf0bh...@4ax.com>,
Larry Mondelo <larry_mondello@mayfield01net> wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:40:33 -0700,
> <catamont-FF382A...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED, along with all kinds of old crap]
>
> They aren't altered or forged you fat pig and you know it! Keep lying and I
> will
> keep exposing it!
>

[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]

Sara

Sara Salzman

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In article <s012uvg6v38c9ont7...@4ax.com>,
Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:

> On 17 Dec 2003 15:20:13 -0600, <szkiskf5e...@fnord.io.com> Patrick
> Humphrey <pat...@io.com> wrote:
>
> >Larry Mondelo <larry_mondello@mayfield01net> writes:
> >
> >>On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:40:33 -0700,
> >><catamont-FF382A...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> >><cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
> >
> >>>[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED, along with all kinds of old crap]
> >
> >>They aren't altered or forged you fat pig and you know it! Keep lying and I
> >>will keep exposing it!
> >
> >Who the hell do you think you're fooling, Fatbury?
>
> Why don't you accept my challenge you pernicious little shit?
>

[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED

--

Beaver Cleaver

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:19:01 -0700,
<catamont-B0514B...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

Jesus said to the lying Jews of his days: "You belong to your father, the
devil.. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and
the father of lies." John 8:44

>In article <hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com>,
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en


> Larry Mondelo <larry_mondello@mayfield01net> wrote:
>
>> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:23:31 -0600
>> From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
>> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>> Subject: Re: Bradbury Linked To Stupidity

Typical Jew- name call and personal attacks is ALL they have!
^^^
YET if I call them vermin AFTER they hurl such abuse and I have stated my
documented facts- they imply I am a hypocrite! Who primarily posts proofs
of their claims and who primarily resorts to name call and personal attacks
or in the case of this thread- outright denial?

Tavish Maxim Concerning Debate
This is my original- "If I hear something being debated pertaining
to a subject that I am not cognizant of, therefore impartial, I
examine the manner of the debate and conduct. I know who is telling
the truth and who is lying by the tactics employed- the liar always
attacks the opposing person and the truth teller always attacks the
opposing premise!"
-Subject: Tavish Maxim Concerning Debate.
-Date: 1997/12/09
-Message-ID: <348ccbc4....@news.smart1.net>

>> Organization: Concentric Internet Services
>> References: <bf3896a1.03121...@posting.google.com>
>> <9ohntvcg4mchndv0u...@4ax.com>

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=9ohntvcg4mchndv0u...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
>> <e816d6c84d692d74...@news.teranews.com>
>> <p2kntvs21dvuurutf...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=p2kntvs21dvuurutf...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en

They weren't: "FORGED AND ALTERED" and you are a god damned liar! Just because
you had them NUKED doesn't mean they didn't exist you disgusting pig and it
wasn't but just a short time ago your dodge was:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=catamont-FBD009.07132512102003%40news-60.giganews.com&rnum=2
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:14:44 -0500
From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: A New Act for Vegas?

Organization: Concentric Internet Services

FAKED HEADER

DATE DELETED

FAKED HEADER

DATE DELETED

Hope this helps.

Sara

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

Archived locally: SaraCaughtFisting

The ONLY thing you complained about back October 12, 2003 was:


> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman

1)FAKED HEADER
AND


> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)

2)DATE DELETED

Those two complaints have been addressed! So are you going to remain a liar and
stay in denial! You can't keep claiming: "FORGED AND ALTERED POSTS"!!!!

YOU MADE THOSE POSTS YOU DIRTY PIG!!

More proof you are a lying pig and that you and your allies tried to cover up
your big fat lying ass:

Here is Sara "The Fist" Salzman and her Gang trying to wipe away all traces of
her perverted writings which she NUKED from GOOGLE Archives:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3%24--%24%24-_-%24%25-%24%25%25%24%24%24%40news.noc.cabal.int&rnum=9&filter=0
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Subject: REPOST: Re: <<<Scott Bradbury's S&M Mutilation & Torture Threats
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Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:03:19 -0600

On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:02:27 -0500,
<jeffreygbrown-4F9...@news.alt.net> "Jeffrey G. Brown"
<jeffre...@mailandnews.com> wrote:

>Mike Kalvatis <mkal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com
>
For a fact that Message ID yields:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=%20&as_umsgid=sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com&num=20&hl=en
From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: My Master Holds The Ropes Just So (poem)
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 1995 14:49:12 -0500
Organization: InfiNet
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My Master holds the rope just so.

He knows me. Knows my moods. Knows the fear behind my eyes, both real and
imagined.

Those eyes widen as he gently lays the rope down, as he carefully,
methodically, systematically, lays the toys down on the bed.

Soft moans escape from behind gagged lips. I have been told to watch.
To see each and know that soon each will touch me.

He looks up briefly as he lays each down on the bed. Checking reactions.
Watching.

The short whip. A sigh.
The deerskin. The suede.

The small braided thong, the one that stings. A short moan.

The horsehair that stings but never marks.

The canes. The paddles. A pause.

I wait, knowing.

The small velvet bag that holds clamps. Clamps too severe for my breasts,
yet applied anyway.

A gasp. And then his smile.

He knows me. He knows I will take the pain to please him. He knows the
sacrifice I make to his Gods of Pain. He sees the torment in my eyes. The
desire to please. The love. The fear of the pain.

My Master holds the rope just so.

Through his fingers, around my wrists, making delicate rings softer than
steel. Stronger than steel. One on each wrist, a gentle bracelet that is
soon pulled tight, stretched to the bedposts and wrapped tightly. One on
each ankle. No matter how I tighten my muscles as he wraps the rope, still
it is perfectly tight. The circulation moves.
The ankle does not.

I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts.

But first, two small wooden clothespins bob before my eyes. I turn my
head, remember I am instructed to watch, turn back. The clothespins bite
the delicate flesh of each nipple. Grasp. Sting. Burn. He waits.

My Master knows me. Knows he can whip me, clothespins and all. Knows the
pain, where it will hurt the most, what I can and cannot take.
He waits.

The burning increases as the pins are removed. Ah, he will not whip me
with clothespins in place. But the moment when I was unsure, when the
blood pounded in my temples and the fear covered me like a shroud, then he
watched my eyes.

The whip falls. Which one is it now? I cannot turn my head to see which he
reaches for. But I know them all. I arch my back, try to stay still.

My Master knows me. Knows I will hold position as long as possible, before
the pain forces me to writhe, to turn, to try in vain to shield my
breasts. Knows the moment when I can no longer stay still. And precisely
then, says gently, "Don't move."

My Master holds the rope just so. Gently tugging at the knots, to release
arms and legs from bondage. Gently unwraps each wrist, each ankle. Rubs
each, and kisses the places where the rope has left its mark. The gag is
removed. I swallow.

"Kneel."

I crouch on the bed, head down, ass up, as he mounts the bed behind me.
His hands caress my ass softly, then spank sharply. Slowly, quickly, his
hand falls upon my ass. I wait for the moment, the pain/pleasure as he
will enter me. But not yet. First a gentle tapping, soft touch, as he
marks the place the cane will fall. I brace myself, plead with myself to
hold position, knowing each stroke brings a fire hotter than any flame.

Five strokes. Six. I have not moved. As the pain from each begins to
subside, a soft, half-sob. "Thank you, Master."

Eight. Nine. My knees give out, and I fall to the bed, sobbing. But
immediately back on my knees again. "Thank you, Master."

Ten. I am aware of nothing, save the pain. And his voice, as I am
commanded to orgasm, not from stimulation, not from his fingers or his
cock, but from pain alone. My body responds without hesitation. My
pleasure is screamed out for his pleasure.

Later, I will feel his cock inside me. I will feel the force as he thrusts
deep into me, bruising the tender flesh with his strength. Later I will
come, and come, and come, but only by his command. Later, we will lie
back, exhausted, as he cradles me in his arms, strokes me gently, whispers
in my ear.

But not yet.

Now he rises from the bed, returns to the toys so carefully laid out before me.

My Master holds the rope just so.

(c) 1994 Sara Schwartz aka Perrrfect
PLEASE DO NOT REPOST WITHOUT PERMISSION

~~End of EXACT and Precise GOOGLE Archive~~

Everyone be sure to read Sara's recipe for "Fist F*cking" down below! BTW can
anyone imagine a sow like this: http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif
"Fist F*cking" herself? I could drive my Jeep up in her and park it! :-)

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=2&selm=sschwartz-0502951800290001%40p55.infinet.com
From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: What is power? (was Re: Power Imbalance v. Power Exchange)
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 1995 18:00:29 -0500
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 28
Message-ID: <sschwartz-050...@p55.infinet.com>
References: <1995Jan27.2...@tantalus.clark.net>
<3gha46$p...@panix3.panix.com> <1995Jan30....@tantalus.clark.net>
<3gj06b$n...@crl9.crl.com> <3gv6bm$4...@crl9.crl.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: p55.infinet.com

In article <3gv6bm$4...@crl9.crl.com>, ver...@crl.com (Janet W. Hardy) wrote:

>
> Quick straw poll here: How many people have ever felt totally,
> completely safe during any S/M scene -- safeword or no, light or heavy,
> D/S or sensation-only?

Verdant:

I hate to muddle the semantics further, but...

safe? You mean safe that my Master won't break my leg or suffocate me to
the point of death in a scene?

100%. Period. I know my Master would never cause tha kind of damage.

Safe, as in not getting hurt, or not getting hurt MORE thn I'd LIKE to accept?
Certianly not 100%. Mastercat is always pushing limits, and pushing me to
the edge or slightly farther.

But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with.

Perrrfect

--
Go ahead, take the moral high ground. All that divine backlighting makes an
excellent target.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=8&selm=sschwartz-1102950812130001%40p14.infinet.com
From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: GREAT NEWS!!!
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:12:13 GMT
Organization: InfiNet
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For those of you who weren't aware of it, SandMUtopia Guardian was on the
block. It looked like we were going to lose it for good.

However:

The Utopian Network (Adam Selene/Adam's Whips) has purchased it!

We've been talking to Gerry this weekend at Anything for Love here in
Columbus (Gerry = Jillian), and she says they have great plans for it!

It will be a quarterly at first, while they get the "hang" of publishing.
NO fiction, just informational articles, photographs, etc.

Lets cross fingers and wish them good luck!

Perrrfect

--
It never rains under my umbrella

Pete Townshend

~~End of EXACT GOOGLE Archive~~
>

>JGB
>
>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown jeffre...@mailandnews.com
>For centuries, philosophers and theologians have debated what it means
>to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
>To be human is to choose. - "The Outer Limits: Feasibility Study", 1997

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Some hats will be strong clean twigs. He'll be killing above
weak Walt until his spoon shouts amazingly. Otherwise the shirt in
Walt's desk might walk some stale bandages. Lots of sick strange
shopkeepers will gently improve the sauces. Almost no quiet
jars judge Rosalind, and they absolutely depart Evan too. To be
think or lost will help tired walnuts to wistfully mould. I am
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Will you mould inside the doorway, if Frederick hatefully changes the
tyrant? Don't converse a tree! I deeply cook against glad inner
rivers. She should wander absolutely, unless Paul plays ointments
without Pilar's gardner. I am cruelly elder, so I attack you. Both
grasping now, Gay and Patrice loved the dirty windows towards
strong coconut. Why doesn't Mitch jump badly?
<remainder snipped>

~~End of Exact GOOGLE Archive~~

Notice my posts were forged canceled twice and Guido the Resurrector

reposted them twice! (Archived locally as: Guido1 and Guido2)

SO MUCH FOR SARA'S DENIAL AND REVISIONISM!!

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en


Subject: V2.0b Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She Wrote
The FIST Postings! Message-ID: <hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com>
Date: 17 Dec 2003 19:40:10 GMT
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Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:
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From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:19:07 GMT
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In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:

> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
>
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.

I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience. <END>
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Funny thing Sara said those posts were altered and forged YET using the
references in the headers above I can get this by using the very first post
referenced: <3hf46h$p...@nyx10.cs.du.edu>
That Message ID yields
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=3hf46h%24...@nyx10.cs.du.edu&lr=&hl=en
From: Colin Plumb (co...@nyx10.cs.du.edu)
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1) View: Complete Thread (5 articles)
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage Original Format
Date: 1995-02-09 23:21:53 PST

In article <3hdlni$4...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
L Antoniou <lant...@aol.com> wrote:
>I'm glad that Elf mentioned that one should not approach a first fisting
>with the fingertips together position - that's almost as dumb as making a
>fist and trying to get in.

I haven't seen Elf's posting, but fingertips together (unless I'm
misunderstanding) has always worked for me.

I don't *start* with four fingers - I start with one, and add fingers
one at a time after sufficient wiggling and stretching, and I sort of
almost withdraw, then tuck in an extra fingertip next to the existing
ones, then go back in.

I've never gotten all the way, but I can get 4 fingers in quite
comfortably in this manner.

> Pat Califia wrote in her *excellent* article on vaginal fisting
>that fisting to her is "not penetration. . .(but) absorption" This is an
>excellent rule for first timers. Don't think of the top pushing their
>hand into their partner's whatever. Think of the bottom rising up (or
>back) to swallow that hand.

Some writing by Pat Califia that I don't own? Where is this?
--
-Colin

~~End of Exact GOOGLE Archive~~

Everyone notice the: "View: Complete Thread (5 articles)" in the GOGLE link and
that it says "(5 articles)"? Well there are only 4 articles because Sara "The
Fist" Salzman nuked her article which she is now trying to convince the gullible
that she never posted such!

The above post is archived locally as: ThreadProof1
Its ORIGINAL FORMAT is archived locally as: ThreadProof2
The "View: Complete Thread (5 articles)" is archived locally as: CompleteThread
and here is the link and notice that one post is missing so instead of 5 there
are 4!!
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=3hf46h%24p37%40nyx10.cs.du.edu&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fsafe%3Dimages%26ie%3DISO-8859-1%26as_umsgid%3D3hf46h%2524p37%40nyx10.cs.du.edu%26lr%3D%26hl%3Den

WANT TO STAY IN DENIAL YOU DISGUSTING LYING SLOB!? I did not forge those posts
and you know you damned pig BUT your pal Yale did forge posts in my identity and


submitted them to a civil court as "evidence" against me!

I.E.

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=&safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=bb59tvg62vsljf1rc...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Sara "The Fist" Salzman Won't Comment on These Forgeries - I Wonder
Why!.. aka Yale Edeiken Disciplined by The Disciplinary Board of the Supreme
Court of The State of Pennsylvania! NEVER FORGET!! R_1208
Message-ID: <bb59tvg62vsljf1rc...@4ax.com>
Date: 8 Dec 2003 15:15:21 GMT

Sara, you are a liar and so is Ken McVay!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=07qc8vguuom77pvmugliksb3dmdf8pp82r%404ax.com&rnum=6
Subject: Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
Message-ID: <07qc8vguuom77pvmu...@4ax.com>
Date: 30 Mar 2003 03:49:22 GMT

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=f7murv0qqpmcfa2ldce7epo9gtg5am23rl%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED The Nizkor Project Director is Lying About Funds He Has NOT
Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Report for 2002 Is Further Proof! R_1122
Message-ID: <f7murv0qqpmcfa2ld...@4ax.com>
Date: 22 Nov 2003 13:01:32 GMT
AKA "Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He


Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3e060868_1%40news2.uncensored-news.com&rnum=1
Subject: Is NIZKOR Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam?
Message-ID: <3e060...@news2.uncensored-news.com>
Date: 22 Dec 2002 18:46:15 GMT

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=qa5trvoa3c6ella1o1j7btunqvcbjh9pt2%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs and Tax Scam
Message-ID: <qa5trvoa3c6ella1o...@4ax.com>
Date: 21 Nov 2003 23:56:36 GMT

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=67qc8v8192tumoaivq4joitsquts3t5bs8%404ax.com&rnum=7
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio
Connection! (Those Two U.S. Servers!) V2.0
Date: 30 Mar 2003 03:49:12 GMT
Message-ID: <67qc8v8192tumoaiv...@4ax.com>

I love how you vermin lie, deny, and vilify! The whole lot of you are
pathological liars and/or perjurers and/or criminals!

Tavish

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Subject: UPDATED: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in
Addition to Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism
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Date: 12 Dec 2003 22:57:48 GMT

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Subject: Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V3.0d
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:53:59 -0600
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Beaver Cleaver

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:26:41 -0700,
<catamont-26A9A5...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETE

YOU ARE A LIAR! Those posts are in their original form you stupid pig!

Just because you had them NUKED doesn't mean they didn't exist you disgusting
pig and it wasn't but just a short time ago your dodge was:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=catamont-FBD009.07132512102003%40news-60.giganews.com&rnum=2
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:14:44 -0500
From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: A New Act for Vegas?
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
References: <catamont-722FFE...@news-60.giganews.com>
<qrogovouoi2bjui84...@4ax.com>
<catamont-6AEF89...@news-60.giganews.com>
<33fiovo10j1siqqau...@4ax.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 07:13:25 -0600
Message-ID: <catamont-FBD009...@news-60.giganews.com>

> On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:06:39 -0600,
> <catamont-6AEF89...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman

FAKED HEADER

> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Fist Fucking

DATE DELETED

> :


> By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.
> Says so right on the label.
> We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.
> Your mileage may, of course, vary.
> Perrrfect

> --
> It never rains under my umbrella
> ~~End~~

And your problem with this is...?

> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman

FAKED HEADER

> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage


> Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)

DATE DELETED

> In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
> Antoniou) wrote:
> > Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> > of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> > all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> > suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> > on to say *exactly that*.
> In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
> just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.
> I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
> fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
> impart my own (limited) experience. <END>

> Imagine the person in these photos assuming the "duck" position
> and "fisting" herself!

Only because you a) have no sex life and therefore must fantasize about

others; and b) have no sex life and therefore cannot imagine a
relationship involving TWO people; c) cannot stop yourself from fixating
on the sex lives of consenting adults; d) are a lying moron who forges
headers to suit his own twisted sexual fantasies.

Hope this helps.

Sara

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

Archived locally: SaraCaughtFisting

Notice Sara "The Fist" Salzman did NOT deny posting such gems! She only
complained about the dates missing and altered headers and then she makes
personal attacks on me in defense of her fisting which she claims is: "the
sex lives of consenting adults." Looks like a solo act to me Sara!!! You
did state: "I *did* state that fist fucking was not something I had done very
often.." instead of: "I *did* state that fist fucking was not something [WE]
had done very often.." YOU HAVE BEEN SLAM DUNKED YOU SQUEALING FISTING PIG!

The ONLY thing you complained about back on October 12, 2003 was:


> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman
1)FAKED HEADER
AND

> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)

2)DATE DELETED

From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage

I wait, knowing.

"Kneel."

But not yet.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=2&selm=sschwartz-0502951800290001%40p55.infinet.com
From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=7&selm=sschwartz-1102950819070001%40p14.infinet.com


From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:19:07 GMT
References: <3hf46h$p...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
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In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:

> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
>
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.

I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience.

--

It never rains under my umbrella
Pete Townshend

~~End of EXACT GOOGLE Archive~~

Just read what Sara said: "I *did* state that fist fucking was not something I


had done very often, and merely wanted to impart my own (limited) experience."

and then look at her picture!
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif

That is enough to blow your mind!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=8&selm=sschwartz-1102950812130001%40p14.infinet.com
From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: GREAT NEWS!!!
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>

~~End of Exact GOOGLE Archive~~

Notice my posts were forged canceled twice and Guido the Resurrector

reposted them twice! (Archived locally as: Guido1 and Guido2)

SO MUCH FOR SARA'S DENIAL AND REVISIONISM!!

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en


Subject: V2.0b Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She Wrote
The FIST Postings! Message-ID: <hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com>
Date: 17 Dec 2003 19:40:10 GMT
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Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:

From: ssch...@infinet.com


Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:19:07 GMT
References: <3hf46h$p...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
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In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:

> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
>
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.

I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience. <END>
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Funny thing Sara said those posts were altered and forged YET using the

~~End of Exact GOOGLE Archive~~

Everyone notice the: "View: Complete Thread (5 articles)" in the GOOGLE link and


that it says "(5 articles)"? Well there are only 4 articles because Sara "The
Fist" Salzman nuked her article which she is now trying to convince the gullible
that she never posted such!

The above post is archived locally as: ThreadProof1
Its ORIGINAL FORMAT is archived locally as: ThreadProof2
The "View: Complete Thread (5 articles)" is archived locally as: CompleteThread
and here is the link and notice that one post is missing so instead of 5 there
are 4!!
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=3hf46h%24p37%40nyx10.cs.du.edu&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fsafe%3Dimages%26ie%3DISO-8859-1%26as_umsgid%3D3hf46h%2524p37%40nyx10.cs.du.edu%26lr%3D%26hl%3Den

WANT TO STAY IN DENIAL YOU DISGUSTING LYING SLOB!? I did not forge those posts

and you know so you damned pig BUT your pal Yale did forge posts in my identity
and submitted them to a civil court as "evidence" against me!

I.E.

Stay in denial you disgusting slob and I will keep skewering you!

Tavish

-- The Apostle Paul says much about Pharisaic Jews in two Bible scriptures:
1 Thessalonians 2:14,15 (English-NIV):
14 For you, brothers, became imitators of God's churches in Judea,
which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own countrymen the
same things those churches suffered from the Jews,
15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out.
They displease God and are hostile to all men.

Notice the fine points made by the Apostle Paul in just
two verses of scripture!
He brought out in just two verses:
1) "those churches suffered from the Jews" Those sweet harmless
little Jews were committing "hate crimes" against Christians!
2) "the Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus" The Apostle Paul was not the least bit
bashful about telling people "who killed the Lord Jesus" which the Churches of
Christendom won't do!
3) "They displease God.." The Temple is still in ruins as a testament
to that fact! Undeniable wouldn't you say? And last BUT certainly not
least by any stretch of the imagination:
4) "They (Jews) are hostile to all men."
Regarding "2) "the Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus" The Apostle Paul was
not the least bit bashful about telling people "who killed the Lord Jesus"
which the Churches of Christendom won't do!" see this archive:


http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=m1p5nv4es86j78p5dr5pe41l8pi3vfcst0%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED The Most Heinous Murder Plot Ever Devised (For Your Archives &

Research) V2.5 Message-ID: <m1p5nv4es86j78p5d...@4ax.com>


Date: 25 Sep 2003 13:23:49 GMT

I might as well throw this in seeing how I mentioned "Hate Crimes."
Historically, who do most people think were more brutal- Nazis or
Pharisees?

(One example) Persecution and torture:
Matthew 23:34 (English-RSV)
[Jesus warned] "Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of
whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and
persecute from town to town...." [Tavish comment: The words just stated were
addressed to the Jewish Pharisee Rabbis!]

[To scourge means to lash or whip severely. Imagine Jews chasing people from
town to town and flogging them in their Jewish synagogues! I don't think even
the Nazis rounded up Jews and flogged them in Christian Churches!! What Jews
did happened and it is documented in the Bible for all to see! Tavish]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=i31ucv4nvr6ehh6r2jgq8d7orrpfhm3j09%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: The Apostle Paul on Judaized Jews R_0524
Message-ID: <i31ucv4nvr6ehh6r2...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:25 GMT

Sara Salzman

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In article <20j2uvcls7kr1k096...@4ax.com>,
Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:26:41 -0700,
> <catamont-26A9A5...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>

> >[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]


>
> YOU ARE A LIAR! Those posts are in their original form you stupid pig!
>
> Just because you had them NUKED doesn't mean they didn't exist you disgusting
> pig and it wasn't but just a short time ago your dodge was:

[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]

>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=catamont-FBD009.07132512102003%40news-

> > From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman
1)FAKED HEADER
> AND
> > Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> > Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
2)DATE DELETED
>
> Those two complaints have been addressed! So are you going to remain a liar
> and
> stay in denial! You can't keep claiming: "FORGED AND ALTERED POSTS"!!!!
>
> YOU MADE THOSE POSTS YOU DIRTY PIG!!
>

[COPYRIGHT VIOLATION DELETED]


PLEASE DO NOT REPOST WITHOUT PERMISSION

[OFF-TOPIC THREADS DELETED]

Beaver Cleaver

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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:51:39 -0700,
<catamont-2BF3C2...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]

They were not altered or forged you lying pig!

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: V2.0b Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She Wrote

The FIST Postings! Date: 17 Dec 2003 19:40:10 GMT
Message-ID: <hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=ige2uvsjk0bfi54at...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Re: V2.0b Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She
Wrote The FIST Postings! Date: 18 Dec 2003 06:13:32 GMT
Message-ID: <ige2uvsjk0bfi54at...@4ax.com>
Despite overwhelming evidence Sara "The Fist" will keep repeating
her lies and remain in denial.


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Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:

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From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Fist Fucking

Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p01.infinet.com>
Date: 12 Feb 95 04:19:44 GMT
Organization: InfiNet
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By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.

Says so right on the label.

We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.

Your mileage may, of course, vary.

Perrrfect

<END>

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Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:

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From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)

Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:19:07 GMT
References: <3hf46h$p...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
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In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:

> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
>
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.

I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience. <END>

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Imagine the person in these photos assuming the "duck" position
and "fisting" herself!

http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/2/image.gif
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif

Sara Salzman

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In article <g6g3uv4ta3n6o4heu...@4ax.com>,
Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:51:39 -0700,
> <catamont-2BF3C2...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]
>
> They were not altered or forged you lying pig!

[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]

[religious spam completely unrelated to newsgroup deleted]

Sara

Patrick Humphrey

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Dec 18, 2003, 11:33:59 AM12/18/03
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R. Scott Bradbury, hiding behind his latest lame recycled alias of "Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net>", writes:

>On 17 Dec 2003 15:20:13 -0600, <szkiskf5e...@fnord.io.com> Patrick
>Humphrey <pat...@io.com> wrote:

>>Larry Mondelo <larry_mondello@mayfield01net> writes:

>>>On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:40:33 -0700,
>>><catamont-FF382A...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
>>><cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>>>>[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED, along with all kinds of old crap]

>>>They aren't altered or forged you fat pig and you know it! Keep lying and I
>>>will keep exposing it!

>>Who the hell do you think you're fooling, Fatbury?

>Why don't you accept my challenge you pernicious little shit?

Because you're already established to be a liar and a loon -- and in a court
of law, no less. You've already ensured that your word is worthless. Quit
whining about living with the consequences of YOUR stupid choice.

[...]

>>>They aren't altered or forged you fat pig and you know it! Keep lying and I
>>>will keep exposing it!

[Fatbury's standard robo-rant deleted -- the usual ~120 lines]

>>Who the hell do you think you're fooling,

>Sara and YOU are proved to be liars agan and again!

...at least, in the delusions of one truly stupid fat man in a wide spot in
the road in Texas.

Keep on ramming your head into the wall, Scotty. It's all you know by now.

Gord McFee

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In <20j2uvcls7kr1k096...@4ax.com>, on 18 Dec 2003 06:47:34
GMT, Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:

> YOU ARE A LIAR

"My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name
call is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me
wrong you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!"

"I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and the bulk of


my posts prove so! You can't discern the difference. BTW my name is not
Fatboy you stupid kike."

-- Scott Bradbury, who never calls people names and is an expert in

Gord McFee

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In <g6g3uv4ta3n6o4heu...@4ax.com>, on 18 Dec 2003 14:59:36

GMT, Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:

> They were not altered

"My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name
call is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me
wrong you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!"

"I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and the bulk of


my posts prove so! You can't discern the difference. BTW my name is not
Fatboy you stupid kike."

-- Scott Bradbury, who never calls people names and is an expert in

Beaver Cleaver

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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:04:45 -0700,
<catamont-9743CA...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]

---Sara Salzman's irony of pointing out features on posts she claims don't
exist. If they don't exist and never existed then why does she know so much
about them!?
-------------
<start/quote>
> >[FORGED, ALTERED POSTS DELETED]
>
> FORGED, ALTERED!? I did no such thing you lying pig! Those are YOUR posts so
> I did not forge them! THAT IS FACT!

No it isn't. One of your cronies sent them to you and said there were in
the google archives. But they aren't, are they?
<end/quote>
-----------
-From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
-Subject: Re: It's Official---Tavish is THE Antichrist
-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 06:20:58 -0700
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(Archived locally as: SaraNdenial and SaraNdenial2)

IOW Sara can't keep her lies straight! She claims the posts don't exist YET she
makes comments about them!

I.E.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=catamont-D17E53.21194927092003%40spectator.sj.sys.us.xo.net&rnum=3


From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism

Subject: Re: Classic Repost: Robert Scott Bradbury: Former Lover, Doc Tavish's
Lies
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In article <lv8bnv0dah8r9mj6f...@4ax.com>,
Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@TAVISH-AMERICAN-CENTRAL.NET> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:42:01 GMT,
> <b4g9nv8u3k3mpev6n...@4ax.com>
> Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
>
> >On 26 Sep 2003 20:00:24 GMT, Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>In article <cmp8nvk37m9q2earr...@4ax.com>,
> >> Doc Tavish <Doc_T...@TAVISH-AMERICAN-CENTRAL.NET> wrote:
> >>>> On 26 Sep 2003 14:23:08 GMT,
> >>> <catamont-4D9F89...@tribune.sj.sys.us.xo.net> Sara Salzman
> >>> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
> >>> >Once again, Mr. Bradbury "retaliates" against David Christian by posting
> >>> >MY home address.
>
> >>> Which is what I will do every time one of your fellow shits posts where I
> >>> live! They would not have known where I live at it all if it weren't for two
> >>> filthy god damned kike vermins-- namely you and pigshit Edeiken! If you don't
> >>> like it pig then you have two choices:
> >>> 1) Sue me (You will look very stupid before a jury of my peers-- I promise
> >>> you)
> >>> 2) GET YOUR GOD DAMNED FELLOW FILTH TO STOP POSTING WHERE I LIVE!
>
> >>Once again, Mr. Bradbury shows his obsessive-compulsive side. He can't
> >>deal with anyone else .... he MUST post my address.
> >>Isn't there a medication that could help him?
>
> >How about 100mg a day of Oldsmobile?
> >
> >That dosage has probably never been tried on anyone before but Brad
> >bury would be a good candidate.
>
> Aaah a subtle threat of violence!
>
> Tavish

Tell it to the DA, Coward. Go tell him to arrest Ken Lewis for you.

And by the way:

> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman <LIE, BRADBURY CHANGED THE "from">
> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Fist Fucking

<NOTE THAT BRADBURY HAS DELETED THE DATE... QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO.
"Personal attack is all your kind has.">
> :


> By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.
> Says so right on the label.
> We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.
> Your mileage may, of course, vary.
> Perrrfect

> --
> It never rains under my umbrella
> ~~End~~

And you have a problem with this why?

> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman <LIE, BRADBURY CHANGED THE "from">
> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
<NOTE THAT BRADBURY HAS DELETED THE DATE... QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO.
"Personal attack is all your kind has.">
> In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
> Antoniou) wrote:
> > Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> > of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> > all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> > suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> > on to say *exactly that*.
> In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
> just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.
> I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
> fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
> impart my own (limited) experience. <END>

> Imagine the person in these photos assuming the "duck" position
> and "fisting" herself!

<SINCE BRADBURY HAS POSTED THIS STATEMENT HUNDREDS OF TIMES, PERHAPS
IT'S TIME TO POINT OUT THAT HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT THE "DUCK"
POSITION IS, AND HIS MORONIC STATEMENT ABOVE PROVES IT. IT IS NOT
SOMETHING A PERSON "ASSUMES," IN FACT, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A
"PERSON."

MR. BRADBURY INSISTS ON THIS FANTASY OF "FISTING HERSELF" BECAUSE HE
CANNOT IMAGINE THAT ANYONE ELSE IN THE UNIVERSE HAS A PARTNER. 'FISTING
YOUSELF' IS AS IMPOSSIBLE AS MR. BRADBURY SAYING ANYTHING THAT REEKS OF
A HINT OF SANITY. IT'S ALL HIS PERVERTED FANTASIES ... AGAIN.

I MEAN, LET'S BE HONEST HERE. WHAT TWO CONSENTING ADULTS DO IN THE
PRIVACY OF THEIR BEDROOM THAT ISN'T ILLEGAL -- EVEN IN TEXAS -- SEEMS TO
GET MR. BRADBURY IN A VERITABLE SEXUAL FRENZY. NOW _THAT_ IS PERERTED.>


> http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/2/image.gif
> http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=s70dcvgs3eucqd31n81gqo5e21uj7vvg67%404ax.com&rnum=1
> Subject: Sara "The Fist" Salzman - A Compilation of Her Better Known Literary
> Works and Opinions
> Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 13:35:49 -0500
> Message-ID: <s70dcvgs3eucqd31n...@4ax.com>

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

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In article <nsrknvcji9s4npf9u...@4ax.com>,
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=nsrknvcji9s4npf9u...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
[Tavish comment:12/19/03:(Archived locally as: CopyrightLie and CopyrightLie2)]
"<<<Doc Tavish>>>" <Doc_T...@AMERICAN-TAVISH01-CENTRAL.NET> wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:37:15 -0600,
> <catamont-85EFC5...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >I participated in a simple discussion 8 years ago and made one or two
> >comments.
>
> Such as these?


>
> From: ssch...@infinet.com
> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: GREAT NEWS!!!
> Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>

> Date: 11 Feb 95 13:12:13 GMT
> Organization: InfiNet
> Lines: 20
> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.infinet.com
>
> For those of you who weren't aware of it, SandMUtopia Guardian was on the
> block. It looked like we were going to lose it for good.
>
> However:
>
> The Utopian Network (Adam Selene/Adam's Whips) has purchased it!
>
> We've been talking to Gerry this weekend at Anything for Love here in
> Columbus (Gerry = Jillian), and she says they have great plans for it!
>
> It will be a quarterly at first, while they get the "hang" of publishing.
> NO fiction, just informational articles, photographs, etc.
>
> Lets cross fingers and wish them good luck!
>

> Perrrfect
>
> --
> It never rains under my umbrella

> Pete Townshend

Exactly. You have a problem that a magazine was purchased by someone?
Please explain (although you won't), why the fact that the SandMUtopian
Guardian was purchased by Adam Selene in Februaru of 1995 is so
interesting to you.

> ~~End~~
>
> From: ssch...@infinet.com Sara Schwartz aka Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net>

[There was no "cata...@concentric.net" in 1995. You have ALTERED THE
HEADER, Liar.]

> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: My Master Holds The Ropes Just So (poem)
> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 1995 14:49:12 -0500
> Organization: InfiNet
> Lines: 114
> Message-ID: <sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.infinet.com

Since you deleted a COPYRIGHT notice that asks this poem not be
reprinted without permission of the author, there is nothing to comment
on. You violated a copyright. This make you a lawbreaker, Liar.

<<Tavish comment December 19, 2003: Funny you have recently complained that the
"My Master Holds The Ropes Just So (poem)" post never existed and that we made
it up yet you are bitching about a copyright on a post you claim doesn't exist!
Can't you see the irony you lying dirty pig? Care to tell all of us who the
author was of the poem you claim never existed? Also my posting of the poem
showed no copyright notice! If that post never existed then why are you bitching
about a copyright notice which wasn't shown in my post to which you are making a
whining reply to now? See how easy it is to catch a pig like you in your
deceit?>>

> <END>

> ~~End~~


>
> From: ssch...@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect)
> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage

> Subject: Re: What's in a gag?
> Followup-To: alt.sex.bondage
> Date: 3 Feb 1995 13:00:46 GMT
> Organization: Cat's Lair
> Lines: 16
> Distribution: world
> Message-ID: <sschwartz-0...@p09.infinet.com>
> References: <3gl7t9$6a...@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: p09.infinet.com
>
> In article <3gl7t9$6a...@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com>, PEG...@prodigy.com
> (Steven Phillips) wrote:
>
> > My wife wants to top her very truculant husband but need help in the
> > gagging. Any good sugestions will be used. Our attempts seem to always
> > fail.
>
> There are a number of household items that make excellent gags. A small
> piece of sponge wrapped in a bandana and then knotted. A "whiffle" golf
> ball (practise ball) with a piece of cloth through it. A pair of panties,
> or pantyhose.
>
> What specific problems are you encountering?
>
> Perrrfect
> --
> ~~End~~
>
> >Mr. Bradbury is so fixated on it, he has re-posted it hundreds of times!
>
> I just want others to imagine YOU doing such to yourself and making it public
> and acting like you are a normal person!

Yeah. Right. You just get off imagining (incorrectly) what goes on in a
consensual rlationship between two adults. But of course, since you have
never HAD a relationship with another adult, you keep insisting its:

"Doing it to yourself."

Once again, Mr. Bradbury cannot possible imagine two people having a
relationship, therefore he assumes that everyone must (as he does) only
have relationships with themselves!

> Can anyone imagine this beast squatting like a duck as in "duck walking" and
> fisting her maggot riddled vagina?

This is just TOO funny. The "duck" position has NOTHING to do with "duck
walking." Mr. bradbury has no idea what he is talking about, and yet
CONTINUES to prove his ignorance. Since he claims I posted a "tutorial,"
you'd think he'd have the VAGUEST idea about it.

He just likes to create his own fantasies and reproduce them ad nauseum.

> Sara "The Fist" Salzman: Quintessential homeliness in the flesh:
> http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/2/image.gif <Sitting and authoring S&M<
> http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif <Standing Medusa look<
>
"Personal attack is all your kind has."

> >Not only that, he thinks it's something a person does ALONE!!
>
> Looks like your fisting was a solo act to me! I'll let the lurkers judge the
> matter!

Why would lurkers care that you are too ignorant to know anything about
consensual sex between adults?

> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman

> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Fist Fucking
> :
> By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.
> Says so right on the label.
> We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.
> Your mileage may, of course, vary.
> Perrrfect

> --
> It never rains under my umbrella
> ~~End~~

For the ninth time, what is your problem with Elbow Grease being water
soluable?

Do you have any idea what that means?

> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman

> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
> In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
> Antoniou) wrote:
> > Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> > of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> > all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> > suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> > on to say *exactly that*.
> In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
> just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.
> I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
> fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
> impart my own (limited) experience. <END>

> Imagine the person in these photos assuming the "duck" position
> and "fisting" herself!
> http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/2/image.gif
> http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif

> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=s70dcvgs3eucqd31n81gqo5e21uj7vvg67%404ax.com&rnum=1

And after posting this hundreds of times, he STILL hasn't figured out
what "duck" means... even though it's CLEARLY STATED in Laura's post.

> Subject: Sara "The Fist" Salzman - A Compilation of Her Better Known Literary
> Works and Opinions
> Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 13:35:49 -0500
> Message-ID: <s70dcvgs3eucqd31n...@4ax.com>
>
> Need I say more?
> Tavish

No, I'd say you've made a perfect ass of yourself quite nicely.

Followups set AGAIN

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

Archived locally as: SaraFistingExpert3 and SaraFistingExpert4

Stay stupid you lying pig!

Tavish

"Now I'm a bitch and a filthy slut and a typical Jew mother. Oh, yeah, and a
fatbroad. And dumbtwat. Now I'm a little fool and a lying bitch and a silly
slut..." <--- Sara "The Fist" Salzman in her own words!
Archived locally as: SaraLyingBitch and SaraLyingBitch2
Message-ID: <schwartz-ya023180...@news.infinet.com>

_______________________________________________________________________________

Ward Cleaver

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On 18 Dec 2003 10:33:59 -0600, <szkn09q...@fnord.io.com> Patrick Humphrey
<pat...@io.com> wrote:

>Because you're already established to be a liar and a loon -- and in a court
>of law, no less.

That is a lie! If I were established as a liar in a coiurt of law then why is it
I won!?

Care to answer that you pig fucker?

Tavish

"Now I'm a bitch and a filthy slut and a typical Jew mother. Oh, yeah, and a
fatbroad. And dumbtwat. Now I'm a little fool and a lying bitch and a silly
slut..." <--- Sara "The Fist" Salzman in her own words!
Archived locally as: SaraLyingBitch and SaraLyingBitch2
Message-ID: <schwartz-ya023180...@news.infinet.com>

_______________________________________________________________________________

Patrick Keenan

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"Ward Cleaver" <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote in message
news:ebe5uvgak86g9t95v...@4ax.com...

> On 18 Dec 2003 10:33:59 -0600, <szkn09q...@fnord.io.com> Patrick
Humphrey
> <pat...@io.com> wrote:
>
> >Because you're already established to be a liar and a loon -- and in a
court
> >of law, no less.
>
> That is a lie! If I were established as a liar in a coiurt of law then why
is it
> I won!?

One word: Jurisdiction. Go look up why this matters.

Also, you might note that there is are differences between winning a suit
and having said suit dismissed. Had you *won*, you'd have been awarded
costs, and it would be over.

As it is, you note yourself that the suit could be re-instated in your
jurisdiction. Having to go through it twice is *not* generally regarded as
winning.

Were you awarded costs?

> Care to answer that you pig fucker?

Not that you engage in personal attacks...

-pk

>
> Tavish


Patrick Humphrey

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Dec 19, 2003, 8:22:11 AM12/19/03
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Ward Cleaver <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> writes:

>On 18 Dec 2003 10:33:59 -0600, <szkn09q...@fnord.io.com> Patrick Humphrey
><pat...@io.com> wrote:

>>Because you're already established to be a liar and a loon -- and in a court
>>of law, no less.

>That is a lie! If I were established as a liar in a coiurt of law then why is
>it I won!?

All you won was a dismissal of the case -- on a jurisdictional issue. That
didn't change the court's findings of fact, which means the allegations
against you were deemed factual by the court, and are thus entered in the
public record...for all time.

>Care to answer that you pig fucker?
>
> Tavish

I just did, Brainiac...and I'm not interested in YOUR sleazy fetishes, any
more than any of your unfortunate neighbors are. Meanwhile, I'm looking
forward to my ninth straight Fatbury-free MS 150 lunch stop in your little
village, about four months from now...

Sara Salzman

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Dec 19, 2003, 8:21:26 AM12/19/03
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In article <98b5uv4hhf4l2vrn7...@4ax.com>,
Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:04:45 -0700,
> <catamont-9743CA...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]
>
> ---Sara Salzman's irony of pointing out features on posts she claims don't
> exist. If they don't exist and never existed then why does she know so much
> about them!?
> -------------
> <start/quote>
> > >[FORGED, ALTERED POSTS DELETED]
> >
> > FORGED, ALTERED!? I did no such thing you lying pig! Those are YOUR posts
> > so
> > I did not forge them! THAT IS FACT!
>

[BRADBURY'S CONTINUED OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED]

Gord McFee

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Dec 19, 2003, 10:50:20 AM12/19/03
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In <catamont-CBF63F...@news-60.giganews.com>, on Fri, 19 Dec

2003 06:21:26 -0700, Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

> In article <98b5uv4hhf4l2vrn7...@4ax.com>,
> Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:04:45 -0700,
> > <catamont-9743CA...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> > <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
> >
> > >[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]
> >
> > ---Sara Salzman's irony of pointing out features on posts she claims don't
> > exist. If they don't exist and never existed then why does she know so much
> > about them!?
> > -------------
> > <start/quote>
> > > >[FORGED, ALTERED POSTS DELETED]
> > >
> > > FORGED, ALTERED!? I did no such thing you lying pig! Those are YOUR posts
> > > so
> > > I did not forge them! THAT IS FACT!
> >
>
> [BRADBURY'S CONTINUED OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED]

It's the only sex life he has ever known.

John Morris

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on 19 Dec 2003 08:40:22 GMT, Ward Cleaver
<ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:

> On 18 Dec 2003 10:33:59 -0600, <szkn09q...@fnord.io.com>
> Patrick Humphrey <pat...@io.com> wrote:

> >Because you're already established to be a liar and a loon -- and
> >in a court of law, no less.

> That is a lie! If I were established as a liar in a coiurt of law
> then why is it I won!?

Because the judge ruled that he had no jurisdiction over the case.
That is the only reason the judge gave.

And now you will lie about it while blubbering tears down your big
baby cheeks.

- --
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at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>


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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:21:26 -0700,
<catamont-CBF63F...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>In article <98b5uv4hhf4l2vrn7...@4ax.com>,
> Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:04:45 -0700,
>> <catamont-9743CA...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
>> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>
>> >[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]
>>
>> ---Sara Salzman's irony of pointing out features on posts she claims don't
>> exist. If they don't exist and never existed then why does she know so much
>> about them!?
>> -------------
>> <start/quote>
>> > >[FORGED, ALTERED POSTS DELETED]
>> >
>> > FORGED, ALTERED!? I did no such thing you lying pig! Those are YOUR posts
>> > so I did not forge them! THAT IS FACT!
>>
>
>[BRADBURY'S CONTINUED OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED]

So you have turned from claiming the following was forged or altered to now
admitting those posts deal with your sex life. Your sex life is perverted.

Here is Sara Salzman's sex life;

Bullshit you pig! You posted what I quote!

"...I'm a bitch and a filthy slut and a typical Jew mother. Oh, yeah, and a
fatbroad. And dumbtwat... I'm a little fool and a lying bitch and a silly
slut..." <--- Sara "The Fist" Salzman "confirming" what she is.


Archived locally as: SaraLyingBitch and SaraLyingBitch2
Message-ID: <schwartz-ya023180...@news.infinet.com>

You also posted the "fisting" posts as well!

Here is Sara proving she is a revisionist concerning her S&M Torture bondage:

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=68b5uv0v7d3g0mt8h...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Re: MR. BRADBURY, STAYING STUPID
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In the above archive Sara "The Fist" Salzman made these claims (which are
false):

<start/quote>

> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman <LIE, BRADBURY CHANGED THE "from">
> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Fist Fucking

<NOTE THAT BRADBURY HAS DELETED THE DATE... QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO.
"Personal attack is all your kind has.">

<<Tavish comment December 19, 2003: As if the lack of a date is proof you didn't
make the post!?>>

> By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.
> Says so right on the label.
> We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.
> Your mileage may, of course, vary.
> Perrrfect
> --
> It never rains under my umbrella
> ~~End~~

And you have a problem with this why?

<<Tavish comment December 19, 2003: Look at the subject title you fister to see
why you are comparing "Elbow Grease" to "KY" and let it be noticed by all you
did not deny posting the article!!>>

> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman <LIE, BRADBURY CHANGED THE "from">
> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)

<NOTE THAT BRADBURY HAS DELETED THE DATE... QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO.
"Personal attack is all your kind has.">

<<Tavish comment December 19, 2003: As if the lack of a date is proof you didn't
make the post!?>>

> In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
> Antoniou) wrote:
> > Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> > of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> > all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> > suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> > on to say *exactly that*.
>
> In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
> just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.
> I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
> fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
> impart my own (limited) experience. <END>
> Imagine the person in these photos assuming the "duck" position
> and "fisting" herself!

<SINCE BRADBURY HAS POSTED THIS STATEMENT HUNDREDS OF TIMES, PERHAPS
IT'S TIME TO POINT OUT THAT HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT THE "DUCK"
POSITION IS, AND HIS MORONIC STATEMENT ABOVE PROVES IT. IT IS NOT
SOMETHING A PERSON "ASSUMES," IN FACT, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A
"PERSON."

MR. BRADBURY INSISTS ON THIS FANTASY OF "FISTING HERSELF" BECAUSE HE
CANNOT IMAGINE THAT ANYONE ELSE IN THE UNIVERSE HAS A PARTNER. 'FISTING
YOUSELF' IS AS IMPOSSIBLE AS MR. BRADBURY SAYING ANYTHING THAT REEKS OF
A HINT OF SANITY. IT'S ALL HIS PERVERTED FANTASIES ... AGAIN.

I MEAN, LET'S BE HONEST HERE. WHAT TWO CONSENTING ADULTS DO IN THE

PRIVACY OF THEIR BEDROOM THAT ISN'T ILLEGAL..

<end/quote>

Sara "The Fist" either lied or sought to divert in these examples:

1) HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT THE "DUCK" POSITION IS,

It has to be like "duck walking" we had to do in physical education in which a
person has their legs pulled up close to their body [which also would make the
crotch handier (in your case) for fisting]!

http://www.google.com/search?q=fisting+%22duck+position%22&num=20&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&as_qdr=all&filter=0
Searched the web for fisting "duck position". Results 1 - 7 of 7.

Sample returns which prove Sara to be a liar!

Anal Cum Queens(by Dale P.Kelley)
... do a little self-fisting also, as her hand is wet to her wrist watch. At one
point, we get a glimps of her hand leaving her pussy in the classic duck
position. ...
www.rame.net/reviews/heretic/rev-114.html - 20k - Cached - Similar pages

Adult Sex & AMAZING New Porn Pictures.
... do a little self-fisting also, as her hand is wet to her wrist watch. At one
point, we get a glimps of her hand leaving her pussy in the classic duck
position. ... www.toyboxlinks.com/tour/photos.htm - 25k - Supplemental Result -
Cached - Similar pages

BTW I did NOT visit those links but the GOOGLE summary results are enough to
prove Sara is trying to divert from the fact she fists her own dirty crack! Care
to admit you are a lying filthy pig who fists yourself you pig!?

2) IT IS NOT SOMETHING A PERSON "ASSUMES,"

"Assuming the "duck" position" is proper usage of assume!

3) IN FACT, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A "PERSON."

If it doesn't then WHAT should "begin in the "duck" position"? You did state
precisely: "In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck"
position." so I guess you are now stating Laura isn't a person!?

4) 'FISTING YOUSELF' IS AS IMPOSSIBLE

FALSE!! If you can finger your worm ridden vagina then you can also fist it you
pig! And GOOGLE also proves you to be a liar!
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=solo&num=20&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=vaginal+fisting+&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images
Searched the web for solo "vaginal fisting ". Results 1 - 20 of about 1,870

There are plenty of "solo vagina fisting" returns which YOU can get off to Sara.
BTW I did NOT click any of the return result links but plenty summaries prove
that women can fist themselves without another person being there!

You also indicate you fist yourself by your choice of words: "I *did* state that


fist fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to

impart my own (limited) experience." I still say it likes like a solo act you
are doing!

Also (repeated from higher up):

http://www.google.com/search?q=fisting+%22duck+position%22&num=20&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&as_qdr=all&filter=0
Searched the web for fisting "duck position". Results 1 - 7 of 7.

Sample returns which prove Sara to be a liar!

Anal Cum Queens(by Dale P.Kelley)
... do a little self-fisting also, as her hand is wet to her wrist watch. At one
point, we get a glimps of her hand leaving her pussy in the classic duck
position. ...
www.rame.net/reviews/heretic/rev-114.html - 20k - Cached - Similar pages

Adult Sex & AMAZING New Porn Pictures.
... do a little self-fisting also, as her hand is wet to her wrist watch. At one
point, we get a glimps of her hand leaving her pussy in the classic duck
position. ... www.toyboxlinks.com/tour/photos.htm - 25k - Supplemental Result -
Cached - Similar pages

BTW I did NOT visit those links but the GOOGLE summary results are enough to
prove Sara is trying to divert from the fact she fists her own dirty crack! Care
to admit you are a lying filthy pig who fists yourself you pig!?

5) AS MR. BRADBURY SAYING ANYTHING THAT REEKS OF A HINT OF SANITY.

I have already proven you to be the insane one you pathetic lying bitch!

6) I MEAN, LET'S BE HONEST HERE.

You haven't been honest so far you lying pig!

7) WHAT TWO CONSENTING ADULTS DO IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR BEDROOM THAT ISN'T
ILLEGAL..

You wrote in the sense that your fisting was a solo act! Also by your debating
the issue in defense of an activity "THAT ISN'T ILLEGAL" in the first person
pretty well proves you made those fisting posts which you are now trying to deny
you ever made!

Stay stupid you lying pig!

Tavish

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en

Ward Cleaver

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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: SCOTT "TUBBY THE WADDLER" BRADBURY'S IDIOCY STILL RAMPANT!!! aka

Re: Bradbury Linked To Stupidity

<<Look who has just been shown to be stupid and a LIAR!!! You, Sara "the Fist"
Salzman!!>>

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:21:26 -0700
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:21:26 -0700,

<catamont-CBF63F...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>In article <98b5uv4hhf4l2vrn7...@4ax.com>,
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=98b5uv4hhf4l2vrn7...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en

Lurkers click the link just above to see the post Sara "The Fist" Salzman
replied to un-edited.

> Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:04:45 -0700,
>> <catamont-9743CA...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
>> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>
>> >[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]
>>
>> ---Sara Salzman's irony of pointing out features on posts she claims don't
>> exist. If they don't exist and never existed then why does she know so much
>> about them!?
>> -------------
>> <start/quote>
>> > >[FORGED, ALTERED POSTS DELETED]
>> >
>> > FORGED, ALTERED!? I did no such thing you lying pig! Those are YOUR posts
>> > so I did not forge them! THAT IS FACT!
>>
>
>[BRADBURY'S CONTINUED OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED]

If those posts were "FORGED, ALTERED" as you have been squealing about (thus
implying I am the one who is being dishonest) why are you now stating:
"BRADBURY'S CONTINUED OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED" which proves I have
been honest and right all along? You did, in fact, post the "My Master Holds the
Rope Just So (poem)" and the fisting posts as well as some others which you had
NUKED from GOOGLE archives!

Once again for the archives what you have vainly attempted to distance yourself
from:

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=98b5uv4hhf4l2vrn7...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Message-ID: <98b5uv4hhf4l2vrn7...@4ax.com>

----AND----

Compare Sara The Fist's denial exposed in this very post and see how see
fulfills Ken McVay's treatise on liars:

"[W]hen you're living a lie, the lie has to get more complicated-they're always
contradicting themselves...so that the lie itself becomes self-evident."
-- Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project
http://www.peacemagazine.org/fulltext/all-vol13no2.html
(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: peacenik13_2)

Here is Sara proving she is a revisionist concerning her S&M Torture bondage:

In the above archive Sara "The Fist" Salzman made these claims (which are
false):

<start/quote>

> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman <LIE, BRADBURY CHANGED THE "from">


> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Fist Fucking

<NOTE THAT BRADBURY HAS DELETED THE DATE... QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO.
"Personal attack is all your kind has.">

<<Tavish comment December 19, 2003: As if the lack of a date is proof you didn't
make the post!?>>

> By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.


> Says so right on the label.
> We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.
> Your mileage may, of course, vary.
> Perrrfect
> --
> It never rains under my umbrella
> ~~End~~

And you have a problem with this why?

<<Tavish comment December 19, 2003: Look at the subject title you fister to see


why you are comparing "Elbow Grease" to "KY" and let it be noticed by all you
did not deny posting the article!!>>

> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman <LIE, BRADBURY CHANGED THE "from">


> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)

<NOTE THAT BRADBURY HAS DELETED THE DATE... QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO.
"Personal attack is all your kind has.">

<<Tavish comment December 19, 2003: As if the lack of a date is proof you didn't
make the post!?>>

> In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L


> Antoniou) wrote:
> > Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> > of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> > all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> > suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> > on to say *exactly that*.
>
> In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
> just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.
> I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
> fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
> impart my own (limited) experience. <END>
> Imagine the person in these photos assuming the "duck" position
> and "fisting" herself!

<SINCE BRADBURY HAS POSTED THIS STATEMENT HUNDREDS OF TIMES, PERHAPS
IT'S TIME TO POINT OUT THAT HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT THE "DUCK"
POSITION IS, AND HIS MORONIC STATEMENT ABOVE PROVES IT. IT IS NOT
SOMETHING A PERSON "ASSUMES," IN FACT, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A
"PERSON."

MR. BRADBURY INSISTS ON THIS FANTASY OF "FISTING HERSELF" BECAUSE HE
CANNOT IMAGINE THAT ANYONE ELSE IN THE UNIVERSE HAS A PARTNER. 'FISTING
YOUSELF' IS AS IMPOSSIBLE AS MR. BRADBURY SAYING ANYTHING THAT REEKS OF
A HINT OF SANITY. IT'S ALL HIS PERVERTED FANTASIES ... AGAIN.

I MEAN, LET'S BE HONEST HERE. WHAT TWO CONSENTING ADULTS DO IN THE

PRIVACY OF THEIR BEDROOM THAT ISN'T ILLEGAL..

<end/quote>

Sara "The Fist" either lied or sought to divert in these examples:

1) HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT THE "DUCK" POSITION IS,

It has to be like "duck walking" we had to do in physical education in which a
person has their legs pulled up close to their body [which also would make the
crotch handier (in your case) for fisting]!

(Search result archived locally as: GOOGLEduckPosition)

(Search result archived locally as: GOOGLEsoloISTING)

There are plenty of "solo vagina fisting" returns which YOU can get off to Sara.
BTW I did NOT click any of the return result links but plenty summaries prove
that women can fist themselves without another person being there!

You also indicate you fist yourself by your choice of words: "I *did* state that


fist fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to

impart my own (limited) experience." I still say it likes like a solo act you
are doing!

Also (repeated from higher up):

(Search result archived locally as: GOOGLEduckPosition)

Sample returns which prove Sara to be a liar!

Anal Cum Queens(by Dale P.Kelley)
... do a little self-fisting also, as her hand is wet to her wrist watch. At one
point, we get a glimps of her hand leaving her pussy in the classic duck
position. ...
www.rame.net/reviews/heretic/rev-114.html - 20k - Cached - Similar pages

Adult Sex & AMAZING New Porn Pictures.
... do a little self-fisting also, as her hand is wet to her wrist watch. At one
point, we get a glimps of her hand leaving her pussy in the classic duck
position. ... www.toyboxlinks.com/tour/photos.htm - 25k - Supplemental Result -
Cached - Similar pages

BTW I did NOT visit those links but the GOOGLE summary results are enough to
prove Sara is trying to divert from the fact she fists her own dirty crack! Care
to admit you are a lying filthy pig who fists yourself you pig!?

5) AS MR. BRADBURY SAYING ANYTHING THAT REEKS OF A HINT OF SANITY.

I have already proven you to be the insane one you pathetic lying bitch!

6) I MEAN, LET'S BE HONEST HERE.

You haven't been honest so far you lying pig!

7) WHAT TWO CONSENTING ADULTS DO IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR BEDROOM THAT ISN'T
ILLEGAL..

You wrote in the sense that your fisting was a solo act! Also by your debating
the issue in defense of an activity "THAT ISN'T ILLEGAL" in the first person
pretty well proves you made those fisting posts which you are now trying to deny
you ever made!

Stay stupid you lying pig!

Tavish

"...I'm a bitch and a filthy slut and a typical Jew mother. Oh, yeah, and a
fatbroad. And dumbtwat... I'm a little fool and a lying bitch and a silly
slut..." <--- Sara "The Fist" Salzman "confirming" what she is.

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=0ap6uv43dm8uefmm3...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Is Sara "The Whipped" Salzman Still Being Whipped by Her Husband's
Electric Whipping Machine?
Message-ID: <0ap6uv43dm8uefmm3...@4ax.com>
Date: 19 Dec 2003 22:00:00 GMT

--Nizkor.Org Director, Ken McVay, Condoning Child Porn--
"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
(Archived locally as: pedo_McVay)
Verified by John Morris with Message ID:
cf214uoohhmoqblmv...@4ax.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=cf214uoohhmoqblmv...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: John_Confirms)
(For the record this child porn apologist is funded by B'nai Brith
as shown here: http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html
B'nai Brith must condone pictures of "naked children" too!)

Here is a photo of Ken McVay, director of WWW.NIZKOR.ORG-- does he
not have the uncouth look as to fit the profile of a person who
would say in general regarding child porn: "I am weary of seeing the
issue of "child porn" blown out of proportion (I've been on and
around the Net since 1988, and have yet to come across anything I'd
consider "child porn." I've seen photos of naked children, ... and
fail to see the harm, or any great moral danger to our society)."?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
(Archived locally as: ChickenHawk_McVay)
Would any of you want to leave this person, Ken McVay,
alone with your children?

The Nizkor Project aka Ken McVay
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5K9 Canada

Does anything else need to be said other than the only way for Ken McVay to view
those pictures of naked children on the NET is for him to have downloaded them!
THAT IS FACT!!

Tavish

Ward Cleaver

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:15:46 -0500,
<VZBEb.20601$CK3.1...@news20.bellglobal.com> "Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null>
wrote:

>As it is, you note yourself that the suit could be re-instated in your
>jurisdiction. Having to go through it twice is *not* generally regarded as
>winning.

I want Yale to re-file and he will be exposed as the liar and perjurer he is!

Tavish

Ward Cleaver

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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:30:17 GMT, <q298uvc2cv846kjc7...@4ax.com>
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:

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>In <ebe5uvgak86g9t95v...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
>on 19 Dec 2003 08:40:22 GMT, Ward Cleaver
><ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
>
>> On 18 Dec 2003 10:33:59 -0600, <szkn09q...@fnord.io.com>
>> Patrick Humphrey <pat...@io.com> wrote:
>
>> >Because you're already established to be a liar and a loon -- and
>> >in a court of law, no less.
>
>> That is a lie! If I were established as a liar in a coiurt of law
>> then why is it I won!?
>
>Because the judge ruled that he had no jurisdiction over the case.

It was more than that John! If what you said were absolutely true then why
didn't Yale re-file in my jurisdiction? Care to answer that? I even wanted him
to also! Care to deny I wanted him to?

>That is the only reason the judge gave.
>
>And now you will lie about it while blubbering tears down your big
>baby cheeks.

Why sh9ould I cry? Yale is the one who ran away and is still blubbering and if
he actually thought his kook perjured lawsuit had any merit he would have
re-filed in the proper jurisdiction!

Tavish

Ward Cleaver

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On 19 Dec 2003 07:22:11 -0600, <szkn09p...@fnord.io.com> Patrick Humphrey
<pat...@io.com> wrote:

>Ward Cleaver <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> writes:
>
>>On 18 Dec 2003 10:33:59 -0600, <szkn09q...@fnord.io.com> Patrick Humphrey
>><pat...@io.com> wrote:
>
>>>Because you're already established to be a liar and a loon -- and in a court
>>>of law, no less.
>

>>That is a lie! If I were established as a liar in a court of law then why is


>>it I won!?
>
>All you won was a dismissal of the case -- on a jurisdictional issue.

More to it than what you want to admit!

I.E.

CLERK OF COURTS OF LEHIGH COUNTY - CIVIL DIVISION
Lehigh County Courthouse
455 W. Hamilton Street
Allentown, PA 18101-1614
RE: Edeiken Vs Bradbury 1999-C-2786

Filed September 22, 2000
PETTION FOR RELIEF FROM JUDGMENT
COMES NOW, the defendant, Scott Bradbury, by and through his counsel Daylin B.
Leach, Esquire, to petition this honorable court for Relief from Judgment,
pursuant to Pa. R.C.P. 237.3. In support of this petition, the defendant avers
the following:
On August 25, 2000, the Plaintiff filed a Praecipe for Default Judgment with
this court. A true and correct copy of which is hereto and marked as "Exhibit
A."
Since a complaint has never been filed or served, the defendant is unable to
attach a copy of preliminary objections he would file if the judgment was opened
pursuant to Pa.R.C.P. 237.3 (a).

"[The] plaintiff engage[d] in a vendetta against the defendant. The court has
heard telephone messages left on the defendant's answering machine, in which
the plaintiff admits dedicating himself to making the defendant's life a "living
hell." He refers to the defendant as a "miserable piece of shit" among other
charming epithets. The defendant's private medical information, subpoenaed by
Mr. Edeiken finds its way onto the Internet. Even after the defendant is
represented by counsel, mail is still sent directly to the defendant addressed
to "Defendant Bradbury." ...When attorney Leach asked Mr. Edeiken for a copy of
the complaint when he first becomes involved in the case, he is told "Fuck You"
via e-mail. In plain English, this is not a lawsuit, it is a bizarre war waged
by Mr. Edeiken on a man he has never met. The court should not be a party to
this."
Respectfully submitted
Daylin B. Leach Esquire
<END>

The key statements above were: "Since a complaint has never been filed or
served, the defendant is unable to attach a copy of preliminary objections he
would file if the judgment was opened pursuant to Pa.R.C.P. 237.3 (a)." AND
"When attorney Leach asked Mr. Edeiken for a copy of the complaint when he first
becomes involved in the case, he is told "Fuck You" via e-mail." IOW I was not
given my right to due process by Edeiken to defend myself from his numerous
documented perjurious accusations and some are detailed here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&selm=ja362v4amltqohp97uo053rju5erbf80qr%404ax.com
Subject: Ken McVay's "Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1" Is Filled With Lies and Perjury...
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:23:54 -0600
Message-ID: <ja362v4amltqohp97...@4ax.com>

>That didn't change the court's findings of fact,

That is going to be changed next year if my efforts pay off!

>which means the allegations against you were deemed factual by the court,

ONLY because neither I NOR my attorney were ever given the allegations in the
first place to refute them!

>and are thus entered in the public record...for all time.

This is also in public record for all time too:

http://padisciplinaryboard.org/attdiscdcd.php?id=40290
(Link active October 29, 2003. Archived locally as: shyster_censured)

Attorney ID - 40290
Edeiken, Yale F.
Pennsylvania Supreme Court Attorney Inquiry
Attorney ID Case County District
40290 122 DB 95 Lehigh II Public Censure Administered 10/20/98
^^^^^^^
<STOP>

A PDF file is available which gives a report on the above
122 DB 95 against Shyster Yale Fatso Edeiken:
http://padisciplinaryboard.org/attopinion.php?case=122DB95
^^^^^^^
http://www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPosting/disciplinaryboard/dboardopinions/122DB95.RPT.pdf
(Link active October 28, 2003. Archived locally as: "Edeiken_Gets_His" and
122DB95.RPT)

BTW The Disciplinary Board was content to give your hero a "private reprimand"
but he continued to act like the psychotic nutcase he is and defied them and
refused to appear at his hearing more than once! He was then "forced" to appear
and the "private reprimand" had escalated to "PUBLIC CENSURE" by the highest
court of that bastard's state! Read the report you pig fucker and see how
deplorable your lardass sidekick was/is! Won't take much now to have his law
license yanked will it?

BTW Yale had already received one "Private Reprimand" in 1993 and Yale had
received an "Informal Admonition" in 1995! Then the bastard got "PUBLIC CENSURE"
in 1998!!! Looks like your hero is real shining example of the legal profession
doesn't it? Want to deny it pig fucker? Why that shyster still has his law
license is a mystery to me! His assaulting a Deputy Sheriff should have done him
in- in 1990!

I.E.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3921e1e6.182032557%40news.newsguy.com&rnum=1
From: doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com (Doc Tavish)
Subject: CITY ATTORNEY FOUND GUILTY IN ELEVATOR CONFRONTATION
Date: 2000/05/17
Message-ID: <3921e1e6....@news.newsguy.com>

http://www.mcall.com/cgi-bin/slwebsto.cgi?DBLIST=mc90&DOCNUM=39046
Date: Wednesday, September 19, 1990
Page: B02
Edition: FIFTH
Section: LOCAL/REGION
Column:

CITY ATTORNEY FOUND GUILTY IN ELEVATOR CONFRONTATION
by KRISTIN CASLER, The Morning Call

Allentown attorney Yale F. Edeiken was found guilty and fined $600 plus
costs for a confrontation with a Lehigh County deputy sheriff and another
man in a courthouse elevator.

During the June 12 incident, Edeiken struck Deputy Brenda Hartman with his
briefcase and allegedly threatened the man by saying he had a gun,
according to District Justice Diane Jepsen, who heard the case. Edeiken
later was found to have a permit for and was carrying a .357 Magnum.

Jepsen ordered Edeiken, whose office is at 39 N. 5th St., to pay the fine
after a hearing Monday on charges of harassment and disorderly conduct
filed by Hartman. Jepsen said Edeiken no longer has a permit for his gun.

According to the complaint, Hartman was in the courthouse side elevator,
which usually is reserved for prisoner transport, with Joanne Keller.
Keller, who was not handcuffed, had just been sentenced and Hartman was
taking her to pay fines and costs before her release.

Also on the elevator were Edeiken, David Raymond, public defender Earl
Supplee and county courier Bill Bichel.

Edeiken told Jepsen that Raymond, a convicted felon who had burglarized
him, pushed his way onto the elevator.

But Jepsen said other witnesses testified that Raymond already was on the
elevator when Edeiken boarded and started a shoving match. Witnesses
varied on what was said.

Witnesses said Edeiken called Hartman a whore, but Edeiken said he was
referring to Keller.

Raymond is a friend of Keller, and Keller once resided at a house owned by
Edeiken. Edeiken was at the courthouse as a character witness for Keller
at her sentencing.

Edeiken swung his briefcase at Raymond, striking him and Hartman,
according to testimony.

Hartman opened the elevator doors on the third floor and ordered Edeiken
to get out. He refused, and as Raymond attempted to exit, Edeiken told
Raymond he had a gun and moved as if he was going to draw it. No weapon
was seen.

Raymond and Supplee then went downstairs for help, and Hartman took
Edeiken and Keller to the bullpen where prisoners are held pending their
proceedings, Jepsen said. Hartman told them to stay until she got help.
When she returned, Edeiken was gone.

---end---

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=8cgk8901c82%40news1.newsguy.com&rnum=5
Subject: John Morris Confirms Authenticity of: LEHIGH DEPUTY SAYS LAWYER
HARASSED HER IN SHOVING INCIDENT
Date: 2000/04/06
Message-ID: <8cgk8...@news1.newsguy.com>
References: <26b33bde...@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=26b33bde...@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: YaleAssaultsDeputy)
<7remes8f7fgvc8lq0...@4ax.com>
<1f6neso4j4ujdp6q7...@4ax.com>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset = US-ASCII

From: John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: LEHIGH DEPUTY SAYS LAWYER HARASSED HER IN SHOVING INCIDENT
Organization: University of Alberta
Reply-To: John....@UAlberta.CA
Message-ID: <1f6neso4j4ujdp6q7...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=1f6neso4j4ujdp6q7...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: JohnConfirmsYale)

> In <7remes8f7fgvc8lq0...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
> on Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:17:26 -0400, RiP <Ri...@up.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> >First it was Ragland who made the 'funny papers' as a criminal and
> >now Yale!
:.
> Now? There's one little part "Brimstone" forgot to include, the date
> of the article:
>
> Date: Wednesday, September 19, 1990
> Page: B02
> Edition: FIFTH
> Section: LOCAL/REGION

Thanks for verifying the authenticity of the article John. Doesn't matter
to me the date it occurred. It establishes that Edeiken gives in to fits
of rage and that is good enough for me as well as any trial held against him.
His history is admissible evidence too you should know!

Lurkers here is the article:

LEHIGH DEPUTY SAYS LAWYER HARASSED HER IN SHOVING INCIDENT

by VALERIE HILDEBEITEL, The Morning Call

A Lehigh County deputy sheriff has filed harassment charges
against an Allentown attorney over a courthouse confrontation
that happened last month, Sheriff Ron Neimeyer has confirmed.

The charges against attorney Yale F. Edeiken were filed in the
district attorney's office Wednesday, according to the deputy
involved.

Deputy Brenda Hartman said Edeiken shoved her as she was taking
a female prisoner from a courtroom to a holding cell to await
probation processing on the afternoon of June 12.

Hartman said she took the prisoner into an elevator and Edeiken
and another man followed.

The deputy said Edeiken confronted the man, who was later
identified as the woman's ex-husband, and she ordered both to
stop and that one man leave the elevator.

The ex-husband complied and as he exited, Hartman said, Edeiken
shoved her to the back of the elevator and swung his briefcase
at the man.

Sheriff Neimeyer said the deputy reported the incident to him,
and he sent her to the district attorney's office.

"It certainly was conduct that is not expected," Neimeyer said
Friday. "We're on the same side. My officers are officers of the
court, as is Mr. Edeiken.

"We won't brook that type of conduct from anyone else," the
sheriff said. "Why should we (take it) from him?"

---end of article---

>>Care to answer that you pig fucker?
>>
>> Tavish
>
>I just did, Brainiac...and I'm not interested in YOUR sleazy fetishes, any
>more than any of your unfortunate neighbors are. Meanwhile, I'm looking
>forward to my ninth straight Fatbury-

--To those people who can only hurl obese or fat insults I offer
the $10,000.00 Challenge for Edeikenites Who Won't Admit Yale Lied!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5oimrvs7agr9m92kj3q74a22vba99coeos%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: The $10,000 Challenge to Ken McVay aka Re: Harold Covington & Scott
Bradbury: The Blubberbury Twins
Message-ID: <5oimrvs7agr9m92kj...@4ax.com>
References: <bpe9d...@enews3.newsguy.com>
Date: 19 Nov 2003 11:29:26 GMT
Original challenge was made: Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:23:17 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=4q0pbtc3gk6oour5opkjkj1q00geehk9n3%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Yale F. Edeiken Making False Claims About My Medical Records...
Message-ID: <4q0pbtc3gk6oour5o...@4ax.com>
"NEW CHALLENGE: I will offer $1000.00 to anyone who will step up and
substantiate what Yale F. Edeiken claimed in his post about my Hermann
Hospital discharge diagnosis numbered 50 04882 6 9356."
I have upped the offer too since March 2001 YET not one Lying Jew
bastard/bitch or any of their USEFUL IDIOT gentile stooges has taken me up
on it which proves my opposition would rather lie and smear than deal with
truth!

>free MS 150 lunch stop in your little village, about four months from now...

Stay stupid you bastard!

Tavish

"...I'm a bitch and a filthy slut and a typical Jew mother. Oh, yeah, and a
fatbroad. And dumbtwat... I'm a little fool and a lying bitch and a silly
slut..." <--- Sara "The Fist" Salzman "confirming" what she is.


Archived locally as: SaraLyingBitch and SaraLyingBitch2
Message-ID: <schwartz-ya023180...@news.infinet.com>

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Sara Salzman

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In article <fia9uvcht8l8r6jl6...@4ax.com>,
Ward Cleaver <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:

[ALTERED, FORGED, DOCTORED, CHANGED, EDITED, AND COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC
GARBAGE DELETED -- not to mention Mr. Bradbury's continual posting of
sexual material in inappropriate newsgroups]

Sara Salzman

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Dec 20, 2003, 4:54:46 PM12/20/03
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In article <uvb9uvk3h6mjergf0...@4ax.com>,
Ward Cleaver <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:


Remember a few years ago when I had a quote form you in my .sig file,
and you INSISTED you had never said it. And you INSISTED about a
thousand times. And you complained in alt.revisionism, and you
complained to my ISP.

And then you were proven wrong and were forced to issue an apology.

I believe the quote in question was:


>In article <85ir3...@news2.newsguy.com>,
> doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com wrote:
>
>Calling me a "nazi-boy" is as much of defamation as you can make.
>As for FACTS- I have what I need. You can count on it "Fatbroad".


And I believe it ended with:


>FWD: ab...@concentric.net
>
>To whom it may concern,
> I now make a public apology to both Sara Salzman and to
>Concentric.Net for my complaint that she had "forged" or falsely
> attributed words to me such as:
>"Calling me a "nazi-boy" is as much of defamation as you can make. As
>for FACTS- I have what I need. You can count on it "Fatbroad"." I
> honestly do not
>remember posting them and I honestly could not find such a post or
otherwise
>I would not have found myself in a position of making this apology.
> Sara Salzman has in fact proven beyond a doubt that I said such
>and now I have no complaint that she uses such as her sig line for all
> time to come.

You lied then (until forced to admit the truth), and you're lying now.

Sara Salzman

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Dec 20, 2003, 4:55:53 PM12/20/03
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In article <rvb9uvo2n00vrgqjr...@4ax.com>,
Ward Cleaver <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:30:17 GMT,
> <q298uvc2cv846kjc7...@4ax.com>
> John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:
>
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >Hash: SHA1
> >
> >In <ebe5uvgak86g9t95v...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
> >on 19 Dec 2003 08:40:22 GMT, Ward Cleaver
> ><ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 18 Dec 2003 10:33:59 -0600, <szkn09q...@fnord.io.com>
> >> Patrick Humphrey <pat...@io.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >Because you're already established to be a liar and a loon -- and
> >> >in a court of law, no less.
> >
> >> That is a lie! If I were established as a liar in a coiurt of law
> >> then why is it I won!?
> >
> >Because the judge ruled that he had no jurisdiction over the case.
>
> It was more than that John! If what you said were absolutely true then why
> didn't Yale re-file in my jurisdiction? Care to answer that? I even wanted
> him
> to also!

BECAUSE YOU'RE AN INSIGNIFICANT SLUG AND NOT WORTH ANY MORE OF HIS TIME.

This has been answered HUNDREDS of times.

Sara

Sara Salzman

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Dec 20, 2003, 4:56:45 PM12/20/03
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In article <ovb9uv8v55ess21eo...@4ax.com>,
Ward Cleaver <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:15:46 -0500,
> <VZBEb.20601$CK3.1...@news20.bellglobal.com> "Patrick Keenan"
> <te...@dev.null>
> wrote:
>
> >As it is, you note yourself that the suit could be re-instated in your
> >jurisdiction. Having to go through it twice is *not* generally regarded as
> >winning.
>
> I want Yale to re-file and he will be exposed as the liar and perjurer he is!
>
> Tavish
>

No one cares what you want, Mr. Bradbury,

Sara

Sara Salzman

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Dec 20, 2003, 4:57:43 PM12/20/03
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In article <og99uvs081jihvhv8...@4ax.com>,
Wille Pete <willi...@dev.null> wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:21:26 -0700,
> <catamont-CBF63F...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <98b5uv4hhf4l2vrn7...@4ax.com>,
> > Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:04:45 -0700,
> >> <catamont-9743CA...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> >> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]
> >>
> >> ---Sara Salzman's irony of pointing out features on posts she claims don't
> >> exist. If they don't exist and never existed then why does she know so
> >> much
> >> about them!?
> >> -------------
> >> <start/quote>
> >> > >[FORGED, ALTERED POSTS DELETED]
> >> >
> >> > FORGED, ALTERED!? I did no such thing you lying pig! Those are YOUR
> >> > posts
> >> > so I did not forge them! THAT IS FACT!
> >>
> >
> >[BRADBURY'S CONTINUED OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED]
>
> So you have turned from claiming the following was forged or altered to now
> admitting those posts deal with your sex life. Your sex life is perverted.
>
[BRADBURY'S CONTINUED OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED]

Sara

Ward Cleaver

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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:49:01 -0700,
<catamont-C84A86...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>[ALTERED, FORGED, DOCTORED, CHANGED, EDITED, AND COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC
>GARBAGE DELETED -- not to mention Mr. Bradbury's continual posting of
>sexual material in inappropriate newsgroups]

My oh my but you are changing your tune again!

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=98b5uv4hhf4l2vrn7...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Message-ID: <98b5uv4hhf4l2vrn7...@4ax.com>

----AND----

<start/quote>

<end/quote>

Tavish


Sara Salzman

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Dec 20, 2003, 5:41:24 PM12/20/03
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In article <evh9uvobhbeq889ru...@4ax.com>,
Ward Cleaver <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:49:01 -0700,
> <catamont-C84A86...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >[ALTERED, FORGED, DOCTORED, CHANGED, EDITED, AND COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC
> >GARBAGE DELETED -- not to mention Mr. Bradbury's continual posting of
> >sexual material in inappropriate newsgroups]
>
> My oh my but you are changing your tune again!
>
> >[BRADBURY'S CONTINUED OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED]
>
> If those posts were "FORGED, ALTERED" as you have been squealing about (thus
> implying I am the one who is being dishonest) why are you now stating:
> "BRADBURY'S CONTINUED OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED" which proves I have
> been honest and right all along? You did, in fact, post the "My Master Holds
> the
> Rope Just So (poem)" and the fisting posts as well as some others which you
> had
> NUKED from GOOGLE archives!
>

[BRADBURY'S OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED]

Patrick Keenan

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Dec 20, 2003, 6:56:27 PM12/20/03
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"Wille Pete" <willi...@dev.null>

Well, well.. what an *original* address.

> wrote in message news:og99uvs081jihvhv8...@4ax.com...

Yes, but she was quoting Matt Giwer.

BTW, you have - in the same manner - just referred to yourself as "TUBBY THE
WADDLER".

Now, you won't, I'm sure, object to my pointing out that you *did* write
this:
===============================
Message-ID: 1sp0cvclo39sahhlq...@4ax.com

"...are you interested in the size of my balls (which are quite large due to
my priapism)? "
===============================

-pk

<snip>


Patrick Keenan

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"Ward Cleaver" <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote in message
news:ovb9uv8v55ess21eo...@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:15:46 -0500,
> <VZBEb.20601$CK3.1...@news20.bellglobal.com> "Patrick Keenan"
<te...@dev.null>
> wrote:
>
> >As it is, you note yourself that the suit could be re-instated in your
> >jurisdiction. Having to go through it twice is *not* generally regarded
as
> >winning.
>
> I want Yale to re-file and he will be exposed as the liar and perjurer he
is!
>
> Tavish

And can he re-file *if you won*? By advertising your desire to have him
re-file, you agree that you do not believe that you "won".

Bear in mind that your current behaviour isn't going to win you any friends
in any court, particularly since you've indicated that your losing will be
the result of "corruption". Way to sway the judge, Mr. Bradbury.

-pk


Patrick Keenan

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"Ward Cleaver" <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote in message
news:rvb9uvo2n00vrgqjr...@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:30:17 GMT,
<q298uvc2cv846kjc7...@4ax.com>
> John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:
>
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >Hash: SHA1
> >
> >In <ebe5uvgak86g9t95v...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
> >on 19 Dec 2003 08:40:22 GMT, Ward Cleaver
> ><ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 18 Dec 2003 10:33:59 -0600, <szkn09q...@fnord.io.com>
> >> Patrick Humphrey <pat...@io.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >Because you're already established to be a liar and a loon -- and
> >> >in a court of law, no less.
> >
> >> That is a lie! If I were established as a liar in a coiurt of law
> >> then why is it I won!?
> >
> >Because the judge ruled that he had no jurisdiction over the case.
>
> It was more than that John! If what you said were absolutely true then why
> didn't Yale re-file in my jurisdiction? Care to answer that?

Sure. It's because you are worth neither the time or money.

> I even wanted him to also! Care to deny I wanted him to?

And if you want him to, you don't believe that you "won". You want to be
worth his time, and you're plainly not.

>
> >That is the only reason the judge gave.
> >
> >And now you will lie about it while blubbering tears down your big
> >baby cheeks.
>
> Why sh9ould I cry? Yale is the one who ran away and is still blubbering

Says the guy who regularly posts about it...

> and if
> he actually thought his kook perjured lawsuit had any merit he would have
> re-filed in the proper jurisdiction!

If he thought you were worth it, I suppose he might. But you're too
ineffectual, as demonstrated, for example, by the results of your "tax
fraud" campaign against Mr. McVay.

You remember.. they sent you a form letter, and *nothing* else happened.

-pk


Wayne

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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:41:24 -0700,
<catamont-195908...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>In article <evh9uvobhbeq889ru...@4ax.com>,
> Ward Cleaver <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:49:01 -0700,
>> <catamont-C84A86...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
>> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>
>> >[ALTERED, FORGED, DOCTORED, CHANGED, EDITED, AND COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC
>> >GARBAGE DELETED -- not to mention Mr. Bradbury's continual posting of
>> >sexual material in inappropriate newsgroups]
>>
>> My oh my but you are changing your tune again!
>>
>> >[BRADBURY'S CONTINUED OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED]
>>
>> If those posts were "FORGED, ALTERED" as you have been squealing about (thus
>> implying I am the one who is being dishonest) why are you now stating:
>> "BRADBURY'S CONTINUED OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED" which proves I have
>> been honest and right all along? You did, in fact, post the "My Master Holds
>> the Rope Just So (poem)" and the fisting posts as well as some others which you
>> had NUKED from GOOGLE archives!
>>
>[BRADBURY'S OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED]
>

So fisting is your sex life? Which body cavity do you fist?

From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)

Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:19:07 GMT
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Sara Salzman

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In article <81f1e0a10aeccbb8...@news.1usenet.com>,
wayne@. (Wayne) wrote:

[CONTINUING OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED]

Sara

Patrick Humphrey

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Ward Cleaver <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> writes:

>On 19 Dec 2003 07:22:11 -0600, <szkn09p...@fnord.io.com> Patrick Humphrey
><pat...@io.com> wrote:

>>Ward Cleaver <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> writes:

>>>On 18 Dec 2003 10:33:59 -0600, <szkn09q...@fnord.io.com> Patrick Humphrey
>>><pat...@io.com> wrote:

>>>>Because you're already established to be a liar and a loon -- and in a
>>>>court of law, no less.

>>>That is a lie! If I were established as a liar in a court of law then why is
>>>it I won!?

>>All you won was a dismissal of the case -- on a jurisdictional issue.

>More to it than what you want to admit!
>
>I.E.

[usual Bradshite flushed]

>>That didn't change the court's findings of fact,

>That is going to be changed next year if my efforts pay off!

Since Yale has decided you're not worth wasting time or money on, your efforts
will amount to nothing, which is a pretty consistent pattern for you.

>>which means the allegations against you were deemed factual by the court,

>ONLY because neither I NOR my attorney were ever given the allegations in the
>first place to refute them!

Actually, it was because you were too busy returning them to the court --
unopened -- after scribbling "Return to Stalker" or some such on them. Cause
and effect obviously elude you, as they have for the last soon-to-be 54 years
of your life.

>>and are thus entered in the public record...for all time.

>This is also in public record for all time too:

No one cares about your obsession with Yale, Fatbum -- least of all, Yale
himself.

>BTW Yale had already received one "Private Reprimand" in 1993 and Yale had
>received an "Informal Admonition" in 1995! Then the bastard got "PUBLIC
>CENSURE" in 1998!!! Looks like your hero is real shining example of the legal
>profession doesn't it? Want to deny it pig fucker? Why that shyster still has
>his law license is a mystery to me! His assaulting a Deputy Sheriff should
>have done him in- in 1990!

Since you weren't there, and it obviously *didn't* "do him in", it's obvious
that you don't know very much about any of the incidents you obsessively
re-post ad infinitum (and ad nauseam).

>I.E.

[another couple of hundred lines of Fatbury's mental problems kicked]

>>>Care to answer that you pig fucker?
>>>
>>> Tavish

>>I just did, Brainiac...and I'm not interested in YOUR sleazy fetishes, any
>>more than any of your unfortunate neighbors are. Meanwhile, I'm looking

>>forward to my ninth straight Fatbury-free MS 150 lunch stop in your little


>>village, about four months from now...

>--To those people who can only hurl obese or fat insults I offer


>the $10,000.00 Challenge for Edeikenites Who Won't Admit Yale Lied!

...which is the same crap you repost when you think someone disagrees with
your psychosis.

>Stay stupid you bastard!

I'm not the one who has the police of a whole county laughing at me because of
my raging paranoia, Blubber. Meanwhile, since you're so sure that I'm dying,
maybe you should convince some of the masses flooding the mall in Sugar Land
this afternoon of that -- I pedaled out there and back (close to 30 miles
round trip) without any problem other than surviving the traditional
last-weekend-before-the-Big Day nuttiness. I'll be doing a couple of longer
runs in the next four months, maybe even the first century of the new year --
I have to get in shape for a two-day pedal to the corner of 11th and Congress
in Austin, this time around, depending on the schedule and weather.

(Since it's now Sunday morning in this time zone, I'll also throw in the fact
that today is the birthday of the angel who is my wife -- happy perfection
plus a decade, DC!)

John Morris

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on 20 Dec 2003 20:23:03 GMT, Ward Cleaver
<ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:30:17 GMT,
> <q298uvc2cv846kjc7...@4ax.com> John Morris
> <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:

> >In <ebe5uvgak86g9t95v...@4ax.com> in
> >alt.revisionism, on 19 Dec 2003 08:40:22 GMT, Ward Cleaver
> ><ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:

> >> On 18 Dec 2003 10:33:59 -0600, <szkn09q...@fnord.io.com>
> >> Patrick Humphrey <pat...@io.com> wrote:

> >> >Because you're already established to be a liar and a loon --
> >> >and in a court of law, no less.

> >> That is a lie! If I were established as a liar in a coiurt of
> >> law then why is it I won!?

> >Because the judge ruled that he had no jurisdiction over the case.
> >

> It was more than that John!

Nope. There is nothing in the judge's ruling except that he
dismissed in jurisdictional grounds.

> If what you said were absolutely true then why
> didn't Yale re-file in my jurisdiction?

Because you are on a fixed income and thus judgement-proof.

Just a tip, Scott: lard is not a dessert topping nor, when melted, a
beverage.

- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>


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Ken Lewis

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However, Scott must have ingested a ton of it and, just like alcohol,
it has gone straight to his head.

Joebruno

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Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote in message news:<s012uvg6v38c9ont7...@4ax.com>...
> On 17 Dec 2003 15:20:13 -0600, <szkiskf5e...@fnord.io.com> Patrick
> Humphrey <pat...@io.com> wrote:
>
> >Larry Mondelo <larry_mondello@mayfield01net> writes:
> >
> >>On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:40:33 -0700,
> >><catamont-FF382A...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> >><cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >>>[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED, along with all kinds of old crap]
>
> >>They aren't altered or forged you fat pig and you know it! Keep lying and I
> >>will keep exposing it!
> >
> >Who the hell do you think you're fooling, Fatbury?
>
> Why don't you accept my challenge you pernicious little shit?

Because it's as phony and full of shit as you are, Fatboy.
>
>

Susan Cohen

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"Wayne" <wayne@.> wrote in message
news:81f1e0a10aeccbb8...@news.1usenet.com...

> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:41:24 -0700,
> <catamont-195908...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> > >[BRADBURY'S OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED]
> >
> So fisting is your sex life? Which body cavity do you fist?

Just how big a loser are you??

Susan


Roger

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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Ward Cleaver wrote
in message <uvb9uvk3h6mjergf0...@4ax.com>:

>On 19 Dec 2003 07:22:11 -0600, <szkn09p...@fnord.io.com> Patrick Humphrey
><pat...@io.com> wrote:

>>Ward Cleaver <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> writes:

>>>On 18 Dec 2003 10:33:59 -0600, <szkn09q...@fnord.io.com> Patrick Humphrey
>>><pat...@io.com> wrote:

>>>>Because you're already established to be a liar and a loon -- and in a court
>>>>of law, no less.

>>>That is a lie! If I were established as a liar in a court of law then why is
>>>it I won!?

You didn't. The case was dismissed on a technicality.

>>All you won was a dismissal of the case -- on a jurisdictional issue.

>More to it than what you want to admit!

Nope. That is the sole and entire reason given in the court's
decision to vacate the verdict, as has been shown by the recent
posting of the entire text of that decision.

Why are you still lying about this?

Ward Cleaver

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:19:01 -0700,
<catamont-B0514B...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

Jesus said to the lying Jews of his days: "You belong to your father, the
devil.. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and
the father of lies." John 8:44

>In article <hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com>,
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
> Larry Mondelo <larry_mondello@mayfield01net> wrote:
>
>> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:23:31 -0600


>> From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
>> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism

>> Subject: Re: Bradbury Linked To Stupidity

Typical Jew- name call and personal attacks is ALL they have!
^^^
YET if I call them vermin AFTER they hurl such abuse and I have stated my
documented facts- they imply I am a hypocrite! Who primarily posts proofs
of their claims and who primarily resorts to name call and personal attacks
or in the case of this thread- outright denial?

Tavish Maxim Concerning Debate
This is my original- "If I hear something being debated pertaining
to a subject that I am not cognizant of, therefore impartial, I
examine the manner of the debate and conduct. I know who is telling
the truth and who is lying by the tactics employed- the liar always
attacks the opposing person and the truth teller always attacks the
opposing premise!"
-Subject: Tavish Maxim Concerning Debate.
-Date: 1997/12/09
-Message-ID: <348ccbc4....@news.smart1.net>

>> Organization: Concentric Internet Services
>> References: <bf3896a1.03121...@posting.google.com>
>> <9ohntvcg4mchndv0u...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=9ohntvcg4mchndv0u...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
>> <e816d6c84d692d74...@news.teranews.com>
>> <p2kntvs21dvuurutf...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=p2kntvs21dvuurutf...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
>> <catamont-F2837C...@news-60.giganews.com>
>> <71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com>
>> http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=71pntv4j32
>> qbl4j3ok5ta3...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en


>>
>> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X)

>> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:22:40 -0700
>> Message-ID: <catamont-ACC409...@news-60.giganews.com>
>> Lines: 22
>>
>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:22:40 -0700,
>> <catamont-ACC409...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
>> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com>,
>> http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=71pntv4j32
>> qbl4j3ok5ta3...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
>> > James Seymour McTavish <JS_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >[same old same old deleted]
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Go fist yourself you dirty whore!
>> >
>> >I sure am glad Mr. Bradbury doesn't engage in personal attacks.
>>
>> Calling a person who quotes me out of context, spreads libel about me, comes
>> to my hometown to defame me, bears false witness against me in a civil suit,
>> posts my new phone number etc. a dirty whore is actually being kind and exercising
>> self restraint!
>>
>> >[FORGED AND ALTERED POSTS DELETED]
>>
>> Is the above your current dodge to distance yourself from these posts which
>> have all the headers intact and which you, in fact, made?
>>
>
>[FORGED AND ALTERED POSTS DELETED]

They weren't: "FORGED AND ALTERED" and you are a god damned liar! Just because
you had them NUKED doesn't mean they didn't exist you disgusting pig and it
wasn't but just a short time ago your dodge was:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=catamont-FBD009.07132512102003%40news-60.giganews.com&rnum=2
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:14:44 -0500
From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: A New Act for Vegas?
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
References: <catamont-722FFE...@news-60.giganews.com>
<qrogovouoi2bjui84...@4ax.com>
<catamont-6AEF89...@news-60.giganews.com>
<33fiovo10j1siqqau...@4ax.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 07:13:25 -0600
Message-ID: <catamont-FBD009...@news-60.giganews.com>

In article <33fiovo10j1siqqau...@4ax.com>,
Sean Cyril O'Tavish <Sean_Cyril_O'Tav...@IRISH-TAVISH-CENTRAL.NET>
wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:06:39 -0600,
> <catamont-6AEF89...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman


> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman

FAKED HEADER

> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Fist Fucking

DATE DELETED

> :


> By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.
> Says so right on the label.
> We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.
> Your mileage may, of course, vary.
> Perrrfect
> --
> It never rains under my umbrella
> ~~End~~

And your problem with this is...?

> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman

FAKED HEADER

> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)

DATE DELETED

> In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
> Antoniou) wrote:
> > Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> > of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> > all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> > suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> > on to say *exactly that*.
> In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
> just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.
> I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
> fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to

> impart my own (limited) experience. <END>
> Imagine the person in these photos assuming the "duck" position
> and "fisting" herself!

Only because you a) have no sex life and therefore must fantasize about
others; and b) have no sex life and therefore cannot imagine a
relationship involving TWO people; c) cannot stop yourself from fixating
on the sex lives of consenting adults; d) are a lying moron who forges
headers to suit his own twisted sexual fantasies.

Hope this helps.

Sara

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

Archived locally: SaraCaughtFisting

Notice Sara "The Fist" Salzman did NOT deny posting such gems! She only
complained about the dates missing and altered headers and then she makes
personal attacks on me in defense of her fisting which she claims is: "the
sex lives of consenting adults." Looks like a solo act to me Sara!!! You
did state: "I *did* state that fist fucking was not something I had done very
often.." instead of: "I *did* state that fist fucking was not something [WE]
had done very often.." YOU HAVE BEEN SLAM DUNKED YOU SQUEALING FISTING PIG!
The ONLY thing you complained about back October 12, 2003 was:


> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman

1)FAKED HEADER
AND


> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)

2)DATE DELETED

Those two complaints have been addressed! So are you going to remain a liar and
stay in denial! You can't keep claiming: "FORGED AND ALTERED POSTS"!!!!

YOU MADE THOSE POSTS YOU DIRTY PIG!!

More proof you are a lying pig and that you and your allies tried to cover up
your big fat lying ass:

Here is Sara "The Fist" Salzman and her Gang trying to wipe away all traces of
her perverted writings which she NUKED from GOOGLE Archives:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3%24--%24%24-_-%24%25-%24%25%25%24%24%24%40news.noc.cabal.int&rnum=9&filter=0
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Subject: REPOST: Re: <<<Scott Bradbury's S&M Mutilation & Torture Threats
Released For the Archives!!!>>>
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Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:03:19 -0600

On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:02:27 -0500,
<jeffreygbrown-4F9...@news.alt.net> "Jeffrey G. Brown"
<jeffre...@mailandnews.com> wrote:

>Mike Kalvatis <mkal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com
>
For a fact that Message ID yields:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=%20&as_umsgid=sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com&num=20&hl=en
From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: My Master Holds The Ropes Just So (poem)
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 1995 14:49:12 -0500
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 114
Message-ID: <sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.infinet.com

My Master holds the rope just so.

He knows me. Knows my moods. Knows the fear behind my eyes, both real and
imagined.

Those eyes widen as he gently lays the rope down, as he carefully,
methodically, systematically, lays the toys down on the bed.

Soft moans escape from behind gagged lips. I have been told to watch.
To see each and know that soon each will touch me.

He looks up briefly as he lays each down on the bed. Checking reactions.
Watching.

The short whip. A sigh.
The deerskin. The suede.

The small braided thong, the one that stings. A short moan.

The horsehair that stings but never marks.

The canes. The paddles. A pause.

I wait, knowing.

The small velvet bag that holds clamps. Clamps too severe for my breasts,
yet applied anyway.

A gasp. And then his smile.

He knows me. He knows I will take the pain to please him. He knows the
sacrifice I make to his Gods of Pain. He sees the torment in my eyes. The
desire to please. The love. The fear of the pain.

My Master holds the rope just so.

Through his fingers, around my wrists, making delicate rings softer than
steel. Stronger than steel. One on each wrist, a gentle bracelet that is
soon pulled tight, stretched to the bedposts and wrapped tightly. One on
each ankle. No matter how I tighten my muscles as he wraps the rope, still
it is perfectly tight. The circulation moves.
The ankle does not.

I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts.

But first, two small wooden clothespins bob before my eyes. I turn my
head, remember I am instructed to watch, turn back. The clothespins bite
the delicate flesh of each nipple. Grasp. Sting. Burn. He waits.

My Master knows me. Knows he can whip me, clothespins and all. Knows the
pain, where it will hurt the most, what I can and cannot take.
He waits.

The burning increases as the pins are removed. Ah, he will not whip me
with clothespins in place. But the moment when I was unsure, when the
blood pounded in my temples and the fear covered me like a shroud, then he
watched my eyes.

The whip falls. Which one is it now? I cannot turn my head to see which he
reaches for. But I know them all. I arch my back, try to stay still.

My Master knows me. Knows I will hold position as long as possible, before
the pain forces me to writhe, to turn, to try in vain to shield my
breasts. Knows the moment when I can no longer stay still. And precisely
then, says gently, "Don't move."

My Master holds the rope just so. Gently tugging at the knots, to release
arms and legs from bondage. Gently unwraps each wrist, each ankle. Rubs
each, and kisses the places where the rope has left its mark. The gag is
removed. I swallow.

"Kneel."

I crouch on the bed, head down, ass up, as he mounts the bed behind me.
His hands caress my ass softly, then spank sharply. Slowly, quickly, his
hand falls upon my ass. I wait for the moment, the pain/pleasure as he
will enter me. But not yet. First a gentle tapping, soft touch, as he
marks the place the cane will fall. I brace myself, plead with myself to
hold position, knowing each stroke brings a fire hotter than any flame.

Five strokes. Six. I have not moved. As the pain from each begins to
subside, a soft, half-sob. "Thank you, Master."

Eight. Nine. My knees give out, and I fall to the bed, sobbing. But
immediately back on my knees again. "Thank you, Master."

Ten. I am aware of nothing, save the pain. And his voice, as I am
commanded to orgasm, not from stimulation, not from his fingers or his
cock, but from pain alone. My body responds without hesitation. My
pleasure is screamed out for his pleasure.

Later, I will feel his cock inside me. I will feel the force as he thrusts
deep into me, bruising the tender flesh with his strength. Later I will
come, and come, and come, but only by his command. Later, we will lie
back, exhausted, as he cradles me in his arms, strokes me gently, whispers
in my ear.

But not yet.

Now he rises from the bed, returns to the toys so carefully laid out before me.

My Master holds the rope just so.

(c) 1994 Sara Schwartz aka Perrrfect
PLEASE DO NOT REPOST WITHOUT PERMISSION

~~End of EXACT and Precise GOOGLE Archive~~

Everyone be sure to read Sara's recipe for "Fist F*cking" down below! BTW can
anyone imagine a sow like this: http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif
"Fist F*cking" herself? I could drive my Jeep up in her and park it! :-)

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=2&selm=sschwartz-0502951800290001%40p55.infinet.com
From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: What is power? (was Re: Power Imbalance v. Power Exchange)
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 1995 18:00:29 -0500
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 28
Message-ID: <sschwartz-050...@p55.infinet.com>
References: <1995Jan27.2...@tantalus.clark.net>
<3gha46$p...@panix3.panix.com> <1995Jan30....@tantalus.clark.net>
<3gj06b$n...@crl9.crl.com> <3gv6bm$4...@crl9.crl.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: p55.infinet.com

In article <3gv6bm$4...@crl9.crl.com>, ver...@crl.com (Janet W. Hardy) wrote:

>
> Quick straw poll here: How many people have ever felt totally,
> completely safe during any S/M scene -- safeword or no, light or heavy,
> D/S or sensation-only?

Verdant:

I hate to muddle the semantics further, but...

safe? You mean safe that my Master won't break my leg or suffocate me to
the point of death in a scene?

100%. Period. I know my Master would never cause tha kind of damage.

Safe, as in not getting hurt, or not getting hurt MORE thn I'd LIKE to accept?
Certianly not 100%. Mastercat is always pushing limits, and pushing me to
the edge or slightly farther.

But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with.

Perrrfect

--
Go ahead, take the moral high ground. All that divine backlighting makes an
excellent target.

~~End of EXACT GOOGLE Archive~~

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=7&selm=sschwartz-1102950819070001%40p14.infinet.com


From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:19:07 GMT
References: <3hf46h$p...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
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In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:

> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
>
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.

I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience.

--

It never rains under my umbrella

Pete Townshend

~~End of EXACT GOOGLE Archive~~

Just read what Sara said: "I *did* state that fist fucking was not something I


had done very often, and merely wanted to impart my own (limited) experience."

and then look at her picture!
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif

That is enough to blow your mind!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=8&selm=sschwartz-1102950812130001%40p14.infinet.com
From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: GREAT NEWS!!!
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:12:13 GMT
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For those of you who weren't aware of it, SandMUtopia Guardian was on the
block. It looked like we were going to lose it for good.

However:

The Utopian Network (Adam Selene/Adam's Whips) has purchased it!

We've been talking to Gerry this weekend at Anything for Love here in
Columbus (Gerry = Jillian), and she says they have great plans for it!

It will be a quarterly at first, while they get the "hang" of publishing.
NO fiction, just informational articles, photographs, etc.

Lets cross fingers and wish them good luck!

Perrrfect

--
It never rains under my umbrella

Pete Townshend

~~End of EXACT GOOGLE Archive~~
>
>JGB
>
>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown jeffre...@mailandnews.com
>For centuries, philosophers and theologians have debated what it means
>to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
>To be human is to choose. - "The Outer Limits: Feasibility Study", 1997

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Some hats will be strong clean twigs. He'll be killing above
weak Walt until his spoon shouts amazingly. Otherwise the shirt in
Walt's desk might walk some stale bandages. Lots of sick strange
shopkeepers will gently improve the sauces. Almost no quiet
jars judge Rosalind, and they absolutely depart Evan too. To be
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Will you mould inside the doorway, if Frederick hatefully changes the
tyrant? Don't converse a tree! I deeply cook against glad inner
rivers. She should wander absolutely, unless Paul plays ointments
without Pilar's gardner. I am cruelly elder, so I attack you. Both
grasping now, Gay and Patrice loved the dirty windows towards
strong coconut. Why doesn't Mitch jump badly?
<remainder snipped>

~~End of Exact GOOGLE Archive~~

Notice my posts were forged canceled twice and Guido the Resurrector
reposted them twice! (Archived locally as: Guido1 and Guido2)

SO MUCH FOR SARA'S DENIAL AND REVISIONISM!!

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: V2.0b Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She Wrote

The FIST Postings! Message-ID: <hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com>


Date: 17 Dec 2003 19:40:10 GMT

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:19:07 GMT
References: <3hf46h$p...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
Organization: InfiNet
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In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:

> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
>
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.

I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to

impart my own (limited) experience. <END>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Funny thing Sara said those posts were altered and forged YET using the
references in the headers above I can get this by using the very first post
referenced: <3hf46h$p...@nyx10.cs.du.edu>
That Message ID yields
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=3hf46h%24...@nyx10.cs.du.edu&lr=&hl=en
From: Colin Plumb (co...@nyx10.cs.du.edu)
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1) View: Complete Thread (5 articles)
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage Original Format
Date: 1995-02-09 23:21:53 PST

In article <3hdlni$4...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
L Antoniou <lant...@aol.com> wrote:
>I'm glad that Elf mentioned that one should not approach a first fisting
>with the fingertips together position - that's almost as dumb as making a
>fist and trying to get in.

I haven't seen Elf's posting, but fingertips together (unless I'm
misunderstanding) has always worked for me.

I don't *start* with four fingers - I start with one, and add fingers
one at a time after sufficient wiggling and stretching, and I sort of
almost withdraw, then tuck in an extra fingertip next to the existing
ones, then go back in.

I've never gotten all the way, but I can get 4 fingers in quite
comfortably in this manner.

> Pat Califia wrote in her *excellent* article on vaginal fisting
>that fisting to her is "not penetration. . .(but) absorption" This is an
>excellent rule for first timers. Don't think of the top pushing their
>hand into their partner's whatever. Think of the bottom rising up (or
>back) to swallow that hand.

Some writing by Pat Califia that I don't own? Where is this?
--
-Colin

~~End of Exact GOOGLE Archive~~

Everyone notice the: "View: Complete Thread (5 articles)" in the GOOGLE link and
that it says "(5 articles)"? Well there are only 4 articles because Sara "The
Fist" Salzman nuked her article which she is now trying to convince the gullible
that she never posted such!

The above post is archived locally as: ThreadProof1
Its ORIGINAL FORMAT is archived locally as: ThreadProof2
The "View: Complete Thread (5 articles)" is archived locally as: CompleteThread
and here is the link and notice that one post is missing so instead of 5 there
are 4!!
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=3hf46h%24p37%40nyx10.cs.du.edu&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fsafe%3Dimages%26ie%3DISO-8859-1%26as_umsgid%3D3hf46h%2524p37%40nyx10.cs.du.edu%26lr%3D%26hl%3Den

WANT TO STAY IN DENIAL YOU DISGUSTING LYING SLOB!? I did not forge those posts
and you know so you damned pig BUT your pal Yale did forge posts in my identity
and submitted them to a civil court as "evidence" against me!

I.E.

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=&safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=bb59tvg62vsljf1rc...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Sara "The Fist" Salzman Won't Comment on These Forgeries - I Wonder
Why!.. aka Yale Edeiken Disciplined by The Disciplinary Board of the Supreme
Court of The State of Pennsylvania! NEVER FORGET!! R_1208
Message-ID: <bb59tvg62vsljf1rc...@4ax.com>
Date: 8 Dec 2003 15:15:21 GMT

Sara, you are a liar and so is Ken McVay!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=07qc8vguuom77pvmugliksb3dmdf8pp82r%404ax.com&rnum=6
Subject: Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
Message-ID: <07qc8vguuom77pvmu...@4ax.com>
Date: 30 Mar 2003 03:49:22 GMT

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=f7murv0qqpmcfa2ldce7epo9gtg5am23rl%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED The Nizkor Project Director is Lying About Funds He Has NOT
Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Report for 2002 Is Further Proof! R_1122
Message-ID: <f7murv0qqpmcfa2ld...@4ax.com>
Date: 22 Nov 2003 13:01:32 GMT
AKA "Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3e060868_1%40news2.uncensored-news.com&rnum=1
Subject: Is NIZKOR Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam?
Message-ID: <3e060...@news2.uncensored-news.com>
Date: 22 Dec 2002 18:46:15 GMT

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=qa5trvoa3c6ella1o1j7btunqvcbjh9pt2%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs and Tax Scam
Message-ID: <qa5trvoa3c6ella1o...@4ax.com>
Date: 21 Nov 2003 23:56:36 GMT

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=67qc8v8192tumoaivq4joitsquts3t5bs8%404ax.com&rnum=7
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio
Connection! (Those Two U.S. Servers!) V2.0
Date: 30 Mar 2003 03:49:12 GMT
Message-ID: <67qc8v8192tumoaiv...@4ax.com>

I love how you vermin lie, deny, and vilify! The whole lot of you are
pathological liars and/or perjurers and/or criminals!

Tavish

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5rhktv483m9oofgqt8goir93o4pm08ht49%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in
Addition to Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism
Message-ID: <5rhktv483m9oofgqt...@4ax.com>
Date: 12 Dec 2003 22:57:48 GMT

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=rqbetvcbda7er4vl25008qo2uetssudk52%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V3.0d
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:53:59 -0600
Message-ID: <rqbetvcbda7er4vl2...@4ax.com>


Ward Cleaver

unread,
Dec 22, 2003, 11:12:55 PM12/22/03
to
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:23:31 -0600
From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Bradbury Linked To Stupidity
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
References: <bf3896a1.03121...@posting.google.com>
<9ohntvcg4mchndv0u...@4ax.com>
<e816d6c84d692d74...@news.teranews.com>
<p2kntvs21dvuurutf...@4ax.com>
<catamont-F2837C...@news-60.giganews.com>
<71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en

User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:22:40 -0700
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Lines: 22

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:22:40 -0700,
<catamont-ACC409...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>In article <71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com>,
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en


> James Seymour McTavish <JS_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net> wrote:
>
>[same old same old deleted]
>
>>
>> Go fist yourself you dirty whore!
>
>I sure am glad Mr. Bradbury doesn't engage in personal attacks.

Calling a person who quotes me out of context, spreads libel about me, comes to
my hometown to defame me, bears false witness against me in a civil suit, posts
my new phone number etc. a dirty whore is actually being kind and exercising
self restraint!

>[FORGED AND ALTERED POSTS DELETED]

Is the above your current dodge to distance yourself from these posts which have
all the headers intact and which you, in fact, made?

<start/quote>
From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage


Subject: Fist Fucking
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p01.infinet.com>
Date: 12 Feb 95 04:19:44 GMT
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 13
NNTP-Posting-Host: p01.infinet.com

By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.



Says so right on the label.

We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.

Your mileage may, of course, vary.

Perrrfect

--
It never rains under my umbrella

~~End~~

From: ssch...@infinet.com


Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:19:07 GMT
References: <3hf46h$p...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.infinet.com

In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:

> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
>
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.

I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience.

--
It never rains under my umbrella
Pete Townshend

<end/quote>

Those posts were at GOOGLE until you, Sara Salzman, had GOOGLE nuke them! I even
posted the GOOGLE URLs for them in December 2001!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=elmr2ucae8th3i760es11q8l2bhmjf2l8s%404ax.com&rnum=7
Subject: Here is Your Proof Jeffrey! Are You Going To Remain in Denial About
Sara Salzman's S&M Lifestyle? aka Re: Attention "nationalfront88": Please
continue lying
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:08:58 -0600
Message-ID: <elmr2ucae8th3i760...@4ax.com>
References: <20011229082141...@mb-ct.aol.com>
<jeffreygbrown-781...@news.alt.net>
(Excerpt)

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:02:38 -0500,
<jeffreygbrown-781...@news.alt.net> "Jeffrey G. Brown"
<jeffre...@mailandnews.com> wrote:

>In article <20011229082141...@mb-ct.aol.com>, anonymous coward
>"nationalfront88" wrote:
>
>> Unless I missed it, I have not seen a single post by Ken McVay defending
>> her perverted, masochistic lifestyle.
:
>No evidence that Ms. Salzman conducts a "perverted, masochistic lifestyle" has
>been presented. Nor has the anonymous coward "nationalfront88" been able to
>explain why it matters to the discussion of the Holocaust that it is itself too
>terrified to take part in.
>
>JGB

What do you call the postings she had NUKED from the GOOGLE archives? Looks to
me like she engages in the S&M lifestyle! Care to deny Sara posted the following
to alt.sex.bondage? Remember- even though the disgusting pig had GOOGLE Nuke her
sick S&M screeds there were some of us who had the fore-sight to save those
"classics" as web pages knowing the pig would try to "revise history" and engage
in "denial."

On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:05:00 -0600, <aa0d1ucdf9q9mlc9s...@4ax.com>
T-A-V <RemoveAllHYPH...@ix.ne-tc-om.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:08:36 -0500, <qctc1uo4s3qdov4m7...@4ax.com>


>Mike Kalvatis <mkal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com
>
>For a fact that Message ID yields:
>http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=%20&as_umsgid=sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com&num=20&hl=en
>From: ssch...@infinet.com
>Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
>Subject: My Master Holds The Ropes Just So (poem)
>Date: Sun, 05 Feb 1995 14:49:12 -0500
>Organization: InfiNet
>Lines: 114
>Message-ID: <sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com>
>NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.infinet.com
>
>My Master holds the rope just so.
>
>He knows me. Knows my moods. Knows the fear behind my eyes, both real and
>imagined.
>
>Those eyes widen as he gently lays the rope down, as he carefully,
>methodically, systematically, lays the toys down on the bed.
>
>Soft moans escape from behind gagged lips. I have been told to watch.
>To see each and know that soon each will touch me.
>
>He looks up briefly as he lays each down on the bed. Checking reactions.
>Watching.
>
>The short whip. A sigh.
>The deerskin. The suede.

<<Tavish comment December 15, 2003: BTW The above proves the "Poem" above
existed as well!>>

<SNIP>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=6&selm=sschwartz-1102952319440001%40p01.infinet.com
From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage


Subject: Fist Fucking
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p01.infinet.com>
Date: 12 Feb 95 04:19:44 GMT
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 13
NNTP-Posting-Host: p01.infinet.com

By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.



Says so right on the label.

We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.

Your mileage may, of course, vary.

Perrrfect

--
It never rains under my umbrella

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt for December 15, 2003~~~

I was quite prophetic on December 29, 2001 when I stated above:
"Remember- even though the disgusting pig had GOOGLE Nuke her sick S&M screeds
there were some of us who had the fore-sight to save those "classics" as web
pages knowing the pig would try to "revise history" and engage in "denial.""

Archived locally as: FistProof_12-29-01

BTW that link just above for "Re: Fist fucking (1)" did exist and it was posted
numerous times almost two years ago BEFORE you had it NUKED!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22http://groups.google.com/groups%3Fq%3D%26rnum%3D7%26selm%3Dsschwartz-1102950819070001%2540p14.infinet.com%22&num=20&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=15&as_maxm=1&as_maxy=2002&filter=0
Searched Groups for
"http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=7&selm=sschwartz-1102950819070001%40p14.infinet.com"
from May 12, 1981 to Jan 15, 2002. Results 1 - 20 of about 36

Here Sara "The Fist" Salzman recently proving she wrote and posted the material
above she is now trying to distance herself from by claiming forged headers etc.
Notice what she is complaining about! She is NOT denying having posting the FIST
documents!!

FAKED HEADER

DATE DELETED

FAKED HEADER

DATE DELETED

Hope this helps.

Sara

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

Archived locally: SaraCaughtFisting

Also see the revisionism of Sara didn't post "My Master Holds the Rope Just So
Poem" debunked in this archive:

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=r47qtvgs1chei5l9p...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Re: Does John Morris Want Sara "The Fist" Salzman to Perform S&M On Him
That He Apparently Approves Of?
Reply-To: JG_McT...@NoSpamPlease.net
Message-ID: <r47qtvgs1chei5l9p...@4ax.com>

The point of all of this is-- if Sara Salzman, who is a Nizkor contributor, will
lie about such matters as these and be an accomplice to a lawsuit filled with
perjury then why should she or the rest of her crowd be trusted?

I wonder what Dr. Leon Salzman's OPINION would be on his daughter Sara's
sado-masochistic fantasies and her fisting? Many sources claim sado-masochism is
a personality disorder which explains why Sara is sometimes referred to as
Psycho Sara or even Crackpot Sara.

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=sado-masochism&num=30&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=personality+disorder&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images
Searched the web for sado-masochism "personality disorder". Results 1 - 30 of
about 589

It may be genetic and now I ask what are the odds of a woman giving birth to a
child with mental developmental disabilities? Slim and none? What are the odds
of the same woman giving birth to two separate children (not twins) and both of
them having mental developmental problems? Astronomical?

Here is Sara making an admission about herself:

On 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT, Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
"How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!"
<catamont-548CA8...@spectator.sj.sys.us.xo.net>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=catamont-548CA8.19314906072003%40spectator.sj.sys.us.xo.net&output=gplain
Date: 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT

Archived locally as: SaraAdmitsRetardation

One can only conclude Sara's children are likened to "chips off the old block."
but the again the father of the children was a drug user too!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=1&selm=catamont-D20A99.14393008022001%40news.concentric.net
From: Sara <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Psycho Sara and Susie, the 40 yr old Welch MALE plumber
Date: 08 Feb 2001 21:39:42 GMT
Message-ID: <catamont-D20A99...@news.concentric.net>
"The funniest part of this is that, although I do smoke cigarettes (as
did my ex-husband), HE was the one who abused drugs. I removed the kids
from a houseful of it."

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=catamont-D20A99.14393008022001%40news.concentric.net&rnum=2
From: Sara <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Psycho Sara and Susie, the 40 yr old Welch MALE plumber
Date: 08 Feb 2001 21:39:42 GMT
Message-ID: <catamont-D20A99...@news.concentric.net>
"Both of my children test in the 95% percentile for their ages. Neither
is retarted, severely or not. Both are in the "gifted" programs at their
respective schools..." <END>
Archived locally as: BadGenetics1

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=catamont-1003001301510001%40ts011d23.den-co.concentric.net&rnum=4
Subject: Re: Hello Sara
Date: 2000/03/10
Message-ID: <catamont-100...@ts011d23.den-co.concentric.net>
"My SON has a developmental disability, and I may have posted his name back
in the days when Matt Giwer insisted that NO ONE with autism could talk.
He knew that because he had "hugged" an autistic child once." <END>
Archived locally as: BadGenetics2

The third post should enlighten everyone as to why BOTH of Sara's children are
in "the "gifted" programs at their respective schools." Respective schools?

>Sara

Does this sig line meet you approval now Sara The Fist?

Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage

Subject: Fist Fucking
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p01.infinet.com>
Date: 12 Feb 95 04:19:44 GMT
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 13
NNTP-Posting-Host: p01.infinet.com

By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.



Says so right on the label.

We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.

Your mileage may, of course, vary.

Perrrfect

<END>

Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:19:07 GMT
References: <3hf46h$p...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.infinet.com

In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:

> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
>
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.

I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience. <END>
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Imagine the fat Jewish sow in these photos assuming the "duck"
position and "fisting" herself!
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/2/image.gif
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif

The FISTER also swore in a civil court my attorney called her a crackpot (which
is very true):

From: (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Subject: Edeiken v. Bradbury: Affidavit
Archive/File: people/b/bradbury.scott/Edeiken-v-Bradbury-A2.01
Last-Modified: 2001/02/07

AFFIDAVIT
I, Sara Salzman, being duly sworn, state as follows:

[...]

15. That Daylin Leach refused to act to halt the campaign of harassment
and stated that if Deponent wished to avoid such harassment, that she
should "stop bothering" Defendant Bradbury...
16. That in response to her complaint and concerns for the safety of
her immediate and extended family, Daylin Leach informed Deponent that she
was a "crackpot"... <END>

Sara "The Fist" Salzman has quite a reputation and she really likes having her
breasts whipped and her buttocks caned as this archive details:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=aa0d1ucdf9q9mlc9sla5ng7pvgt59oru59%404ax.com&rnum=6&filter=0
Subject: Re: Google expands it's base and reveals Sara even more!!
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:05:00 -0600
Message-ID: <aa0d1ucdf9q9mlc9s...@4ax.com>
(Archived locally as: SaraMasterPoem)

Here is Sara "The Fist" Salzman and her Gang trying to wipe away all traces of
her perverted writings which she NUKED from GOOGLE Archives:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3%24--%24%24-_-%24%25-%24%25%25%24%24%24%40news.noc.cabal.int&rnum=9&filter=0
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3%24--%24%24-_-%24%25-%24%25%25%24%24%24%40news.noc.cabal.int&output=gplain
Subject: REPOST: Re: <<<Scott Bradbury's S&M Mutilation & Torture Threats
Released For the Archives!!!>>>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.sex.bondage,soc.culture.jewish
X-Repost-Date: 8 Jan 2002 16:20:37 GMT
Message-ID: <3$--$$-_-$%-$%%$$$@news.noc.cabal.int>
X-Original-Path: news.sol.net!spool1-nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!
newsfeeds.sol.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!
look.ca!news.noc.cabal.int!resurrector!guidorepost!not-for-mail
X-Original-Message-ID: <2$--$$-_$---$_$%%$@news.noc.cabal.int>
X-Repost-Date: 7 Jan 2002 01:40:24 GMT
X-Original-Path: sn-us!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!
newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!
news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail
X-Original-Message-ID: <r1ob3u4q3j5o0aaj7...@4ax.com>
X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: c7.ae.01.82
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:03:19 -0600

Notice my posts were forged canceled twice and Guido the Resurrector
reposted them twice! (Archived locally as: Guido1 and Guido2)

SO MUCH FOR SARA'S DENIAL AND REVISIONISM!!

Tavish

Ward Cleaver

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From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: SCOTT "TUBBY THE WADDLER" BRADBURY'S IDIOCY STILL RAMPANT!!! aka
Re: Bradbury Linked To Stupidity

<<Look who has just been shown to be stupid and a LIAR!!! You, Sara "the Fist"
Salzman!!>>

Organization: Concentric Internet Services

User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X)

Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:21:26 -0700
Message-ID: <catamont-CBF63F...@news-60.giganews.com>

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:21:26 -0700,

<catamont-CBF63F...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

Lurkers click the link just above to see the post Sara "The Fist" Salzman
replied to un-edited.

> Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:


>
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:04:45 -0700,

>> <catamont-9743CA...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman


>> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>
>> >[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]
>>
>> ---Sara Salzman's irony of pointing out features on posts she claims don't
>> exist. If they don't exist and never existed then why does she know so much
>> about them!?
>> -------------
>> <start/quote>
>> > >[FORGED, ALTERED POSTS DELETED]
>> >
>> > FORGED, ALTERED!? I did no such thing you lying pig! Those are YOUR posts
>> > so I did not forge them! THAT IS FACT!
>>
>

>[BRADBURY'S CONTINUED OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED]

If those posts were "FORGED, ALTERED" as you have been squealing about (thus
implying I am the one who is being dishonest) why are you now stating:
"BRADBURY'S CONTINUED OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED" which proves I have

been honest and right all along? You did, in fact, post the "My Master Holds the


Rope Just So (poem)" and the fisting posts as well as some others which you had
NUKED from GOOGLE archives!

Once again for the archives what you have vainly attempted to distance yourself
from:

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=98b5uv4hhf4l2vrn7...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Message-ID: <98b5uv4hhf4l2vrn7...@4ax.com>

----AND----

<start/quote>

> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Fist Fucking

<NOTE THAT BRADBURY HAS DELETED THE DATE... QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO.
"Personal attack is all your kind has.">

<<Tavish comment December 19, 2003: As if the lack of a date is proof you didn't
make the post!?>>

> By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.


> Says so right on the label.
> We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.
> Your mileage may, of course, vary.
> Perrrfect
> --
> It never rains under my umbrella
> ~~End~~

And you have a problem with this why?

<<Tavish comment December 19, 2003: Look at the subject title you fister to see
why you are comparing "Elbow Grease" to "KY" and let it be noticed by all you
did not deny posting the article!!>>

> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman <LIE, BRADBURY CHANGED THE "from">
> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)

<NOTE THAT BRADBURY HAS DELETED THE DATE... QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO.
"Personal attack is all your kind has.">

<<Tavish comment December 19, 2003: As if the lack of a date is proof you didn't
make the post!?>>

> In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L


> Antoniou) wrote:
> > Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> > of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> > all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> > suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> > on to say *exactly that*.
>
> In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
> just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.
> I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
> fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
> impart my own (limited) experience. <END>
> Imagine the person in these photos assuming the "duck" position
> and "fisting" herself!

<SINCE BRADBURY HAS POSTED THIS STATEMENT HUNDREDS OF TIMES, PERHAPS

<end/quote>

You also indicate you fist yourself by your choice of words: "I *did* state that


fist fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to

Tavish

"...I'm a bitch and a filthy slut and a typical Jew mother. Oh, yeah, and a


fatbroad. And dumbtwat... I'm a little fool and a lying bitch and a silly
slut..." <--- Sara "The Fist" Salzman "confirming" what she is.
Archived locally as: SaraLyingBitch and SaraLyingBitch2
Message-ID: <schwartz-ya023180...@news.infinet.com>

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en


Subject: V2.0b Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She Wrote

The FIST Postings! Date: 17 Dec 2003 19:40:10 GMT
Message-ID: <hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=ige2uvsjk0bfi54at...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Re: V2.0b Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She
Wrote The FIST Postings! Date: 18 Dec 2003 06:13:32 GMT
Message-ID: <ige2uvsjk0bfi54at...@4ax.com>
Despite overwhelming evidence Sara "The Fist" will keep repeating
her lies and remain in denial.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Fist Fucking
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p01.infinet.com>
Date: 12 Feb 95 04:19:44 GMT
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 13
NNTP-Posting-Host: p01.infinet.com

By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.

Says so right on the label.

We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.

Your mileage may, of course, vary.

Perrrfect
<END>

---------------------------------------------------------------------------


Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:19:07 GMT
References: <3hf46h$p...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.infinet.com

In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:

> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
>
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.

I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience. <END>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Imagine the person in these photos assuming the "duck" position
and "fisting" herself!

http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/2/image.gif
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=0ap6uv43dm8uefmm3...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Is Sara "The Whipped" Salzman Still Being Whipped by Her Husband's
Electric Whipping Machine?
Message-ID: <0ap6uv43dm8uefmm3...@4ax.com>
Date: 19 Dec 2003 22:00:00 GMT

--Nizkor.Org Director, Ken McVay, Condoning Child Porn--

Susan Cohen

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"Ward Cleaver" <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote in message
news:h0gfuv0k55032optc...@4ax.com...

> From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> Subject: Re: SCOTT "TUBBY THE WADDLER" BRADBURY'S IDIOCY STILL RAMPANT!!!
aka
> Re: Bradbury Linked To Stupidity
>
> <<Look who has just been shown to be stupid and a LIAR!!!

Yeah, we know, same as always: you, Bradbury.


Joebruno

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Roger <roger@ . > wrote in message news:<e975a24eb4b4b38f...@news.teranews.com>...


If Bradfat could have proved Yale's complaint was false, he would have
done so by contesting the action on the facts. Instead, he ducked the
facts by getting the action dismissed on a procedural matter. He ran
away from the evidence against him.

Patrick Keenan

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Dec 22, 2003, 11:57:44 PM12/22/03
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"Ward Cleaver" <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote in message
news:o5gfuvo4f1qt32pa9...@4ax.com...
<snip>

>
> Calling a person who quotes me out of context, spreads libel about me,

If you think you have a case, sue. That's what libel laws are for.

> comes to
> my hometown to defame me,

Defamation is also covered under these laws. If you think you have a case,
sue.

> bears false witness against me in a civil suit,

Except that no-one believes that.

If you really thought had a case, you'd sue. You don't have a case, and so
all you're going to do is sit there and whine and cry on Usenet. Pathetic.

-pk

<snip>


Sara Salzman

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Dec 23, 2003, 1:42:30 AM12/23/03
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In article <04gfuv0ipbborasg1...@4ax.com>,
Ward Cleaver <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:19:01 -0700,
> <catamont-B0514B...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> Jesus said to the lying Jews of his days: "You belong to your father, the
> devil.. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and
> the father of lies." John 8:44
>
> >In article <hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com>,
> http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=hpa1uv0m63

> koaqbo4thkr1...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en


> > Larry Mondelo <larry_mondello@mayfield01net> wrote:
> >
> >> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:23:31 -0600
> >> From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
> >> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> >> Subject: Re: Bradbury Linked To Stupidity
>
> Typical Jew- name call and personal attacks is ALL they have!
> ^^^
> YET if I call them vermin AFTER they hurl such abuse and I have stated my
> documented facts- they imply I am a hypocrite! Who primarily posts proofs
> of their claims and who primarily resorts to name call and personal attacks
> or in the case of this thread- outright denial?
>
>

> chndv0udjn5n...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
> >> <e816d6c84d692d74...@news.teranews.com>
> >> <p2kntvs21dvuurutf...@4ax.com>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=p2kntvs21d
> vuurutf666t2...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
> >> <catamont-F2837C...@news-60.giganews.com>
> >> <71pntv4j32qbl4j3o...@4ax.com>
> >> http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=71pntv4


[FORGED AND ALTERED POSTS DELETED, along with Mr. Bradbury's obsession
with my sex life]

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