Goeth's arrest
hoffm...@delphi.com
The S&M camp on the Internet where Khazars undergo all of the mental torments
their ancestors fantasize and base our state religion upon (The Holy Shoah-Biz
Seance). Here at Auschwitz of the Mind, Khazars whose parents are Survivors,
obtain relief from the burden of guilt they would otherwise bear for not having
suffered as Uncle Seymour did when Doctor Mengele made a lampshade out of him.
Todays Victim: Michael P. Stein.
Hello, Mr. Stein. Your tormentor for this session is Professor Twist, a.k.a.
Michael A. Hoffman II:
Mr. Stein, back for another spanking?You must be a glutton for punishment. But
here at Auschwitz of the Mind, your wish is my command.
Stein: >>Keneally did not say what Hoffmans words implied they did (sic)...
Ainsztein did not say anything more than Keneally, although Hoffman tried to
fool people into thinking they did.<<
Keneally said exactly what I said he did: he said Goeth was arrested by the SS.
I cited Keneally to prove that Spielberg crafted a hate-the Germans agit-prop
flick by suppressing Keneallys information on the arrest of Goeth by the SS. In
case Stein attempted to say that Keneally, being an entered apprentice of purple
prosody, had made this datum up, I referred Stein to the account of the Zionist
scholar Ainsztein. Stein has spent half the Goeth Arrest thread trying to get
Spielberg off the hook for leaving out of his Oscar-winning film, the fact that
the SS Judiciary arrested Amon Goeth as cited in the very book the film is based
upon, >>Schindlers Ark<< by Thomas Keneally. Failing that, Mr. Stein now
concocts a meretricious argument to distract attention from his documented
predilection for defending the racist cinematic hate propaganda of Steven
Spielberg.
In previous postings, Mr. Stein was satisfied that sufficient rejoinder lay in
his parrot-like stammering, >>Keneally says Goeth was only arrested for
corruption.<< Where did he derive this information about Keneally and
Goeth?From this writer. Stein routinely begs for research data from me. When
it is furnished he spins it into a farrago from which he hallucinates
alternately ludicrous and desperate hypotheses: >>Hoffman dishonestly tried to
say that Keneally said the SS had arrested Goeth for both corruption and
murder<< Since I have never said any such thing, I surmise that Stein has
experienced a flashback of some sort related to the complex known to medical men
as Children of Holohoax Survivors Post-Traumatic-Tall Tale Syndrome. I am told
the malady can only be cured by a large infusion of reparations bucks from the
Deutsche Banana Republic in Berlin.
Next, after pleading, whining and hectoring with an intensity I have not
observed since the last campaign for Israel Bonds, our mendicant holy hoaxer
wheedled me into providing him with a few choice bits of info on Kastner. But
all he can do with the info is announce, >>Nothing in Keneally about Kastner or
Schindlers dealings with him says anything negative about Zionism.<<
No shit, Sherlock, Keneally is a pro-Zionist writer, remember? He does not get
fame and fortune by saying negative things about Zionism. The point is, for the
sake of people conversant with the history of Zionism, which you are not,
Spielberg was more cautious than Keneally and covered up the working
relationship between Schindler and Kastner, because Kastner is a major
embarrassment due to his having been a key collaborator with the Nazis, like so
many founders of the Israeli state. (Kastner had worked for Adolf Eichmann).
Hence, the dealings between Schindler and Kastner went down Spielbergs memory
hole.
The significance of the Kastner-Schindler relationship will not be obvious to
historical illiterates who need to have everything spelled out for them in 24
point type in the book by Keneally, true. But if we move slightly beyond your
competence Mr. Stein, say to first grade in the history of Zionism, there we
meet Kastner. Mr. Stein plainly is discomfited by the fact that he presumes to
defend a Zionist movie while knowing little or nothing of the history of
Zionism, so he keeps begging me to assist him by providing some primary school
materials on Kastner. Frankly, here at Auschwitz of the Mind, we would rather
watch you twist in the wind, Mr. Stein, hoisted by your own petard (or is it
peyos?) I suppose you will greet this decision with the usual string of
denunciations and demands to the effect that you have a right to my source(s).
But let us have some fun. I will give the initials of one book with important
Kastner references as well as the initials of the author of that book. If you
can guess my reference and obtain the book, congratulations, you get the booby
prize: the makings of an elementary-level education in Zionist history. If you
cannot decipher the initials, then at the least we will expect to be spared any
further cry baby tactics from you (a perhaps too optimistic forecast surely,
since cry baby tactics are what the Shoa Biz religion inculcates in its
votaries). Ready? Here we go. Author:L.B. Title:Z.I.T.A.D.
Mr. Stein has a hunch that the reason our impoverished Revisionist Researcher
Magazine staffer Alan R. Critchley could find the material on Goeths arrest and
imprisonment by the SS while Spielberg, with his coffers brimming with gold
extorted from the movie-going goyim and access to an army of researchers and
mountains of archives from the Simon Weaselthal Wax Museum, could not, is that
>>As to why the impecunious Mr. Critchley could find it, well, one possible
reason for lack of funds is lack of a job--which would mean he has lots of time
on his hands.<<
Folks, have you got that?One unemployed researcher for my tiny publication can
ferret out the lacuna Spielbergs money machine could not, because Critchley is
unemployed and >>has lots of time on his hands.<< Believe it or not Stein, the
professional historians in the employ of the Shoa Biz industry have some time on
their hands too and anyway, you are wrong on both counts. The work Alan does for
me is in addition to a full-time job he holds in another sphere of gainful
employment. Alan is a Christian, which means he earns money the un-kosher way,
he works for it. Our religion and culture are based on workaholic toil to pay
the taxes and bear the burdens so yeshiva guys can sit around and masticate
Talmud all day, holler >>poisecution<< and feed at one public trough or another,
either upon the backs of the befuddled denizens of the Deutsche Banana Republic
or the flag-waving Shriners here in the District of Corruption.
Before you shower your anti-Goyimite invectives upon me for making the
distinction between Christian working people and Edomite parasites, I require
that you regard the beam of anti-Gentile racism in your own eye, as exhibited in
your statement:
>>Of course, considering the ill- concealed anti-semitic spittle dribbling down
Mr. Hoffmans chin...<<
There is that self-chosen conceit again. Mr Stein, the scion of Khazars from the
Caucasus, fancies himself a >>Semite<< and since this writer delights in
exposing the ambulance-chasing, bargain-basement haggling disguised as
intelligent debate which issues from the Stein keyboard, I am transformed,
voila, into that handy species of drooling monster our loving System loves to
hate, the so-called >>anti-Semite.<< But I am not an anti-Semite, Mr. Stein. No
joke, some of my best friends are Palestinians, and they really are Semites. If
accuracy concerned you, you would refer to me as an anti-Khazarite. However even
that moniker would not be strictly accurate because Khazars come to my notice
only in so far as they pick my pocket and defame my ancestors and heritage. If I
did not have to pay tribute with my Federal tax dollars to your world
headquarters in the Levant and if the perpetual stream of articles, books, TV
shows and movies heaping filth upon my German antecedents were to cease and
desist for once and all time, I would no longer be impelled to survey the yellow
brick road of Khazaria.
So long as my tax dollars were not paying for the Israeli dispossession of the
Palestinians and if the inhabitants of Hollyberg (Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey
Katzenberg, Sidney Sheinberg, ad nauseum) were to place their entertainment
talent in service to healing wounds, burying the hatchet and getting on with
life, which my people are wont to do, then mutual good will, a thing ardently to
be desired, would reign.
Under such circumstances I might actually come to grudgingly admire the secular
Khazars for their cynical existentialism and the Haredi Khazars for their
devotion to their large families and their abhorrence of the modern world, which
has a certain reclusive, gothic appeal. Sure, there would still be plenty still
to abhor, but that is life. Khazars are sharp dealers and they keep us on our
toes. ( You are not so sharp Mr. Stein, so maybe you are not a Khazar after
all?).
But it is Khazar racism that makes me boil with rage down to the seat of my
pants; the imposition of the mark of Cain on the German people, the religious
teaching that only Jooze are human, against this I rail and fill my pen, not
with ink, but hydrocyanic acid.
Another Stein yarn:>>Oh, dear. Mr. Hoffman said that >verification of the
arrest, prosecution and imprisonment of Goeth may be found...in the testimony of
Morgen himself.<
>>Arrest yes. But on what charges?<<
Check your own translation of Morgens affidavit, Mr. Stein ( and incidentally
if it really is your translation, it is a darned good one). SS Judge Morgen
states that arrests were for >>the assumption of a license to kill by
commandants and subordinates...acts of brutality and sadism<<
Got your bifocals cleaned, old timer?Morgen says arrests were for >>the
assumption of a license to kill<< by >>commandants,<< including the commandant,
after June, 1943 at >>Krakau-Plaszow.<< The commandant at Krakau-Plaszow in that
time period was Amon Goeth.
The IMT affidavit of SS Judge Morgen is truly a revisionist document of
significance. It opens the door a bit on the hidden history of World War Two
outside the purview of the official history. Once knowledge of it reaches beyond
the circle of true believers in the Allied, communist and Zionist dogma about
the war, it will be recognized as a crucial starting point, a peek into the
actual history of the German military in this period; a history far more complex
than the >>Indiana Schindler<< racist cartoon dished out to the enthusiastic
lap dogs of the establishment media and professorcracy by Mr. Spielberg.
Observe the mentality of the zealot and the partisan: Mr. Stein does not pause
for a moment to breath a single note of surprise at the testimony of Morgen,
even though it undercuts the premise of >>Schindlers List,<< that the German
military was without exception wicked and homicidal; sponsoring and sanctioning
the crimes of Goeth and exhibiting not a scintilla of justice. The dull, dead
reaction of Stein reminds one of the poem by Chesterton, entitled, The New
Unhappy Lords: >>They look at our labor and laughter as a tired man looks at
flies.<<
The reaction of Stein to this fascinating research lead, bursting with
opportunities for discerning a mountain of suppressed truths about the history
of World War Two, is to say>>Hoffman tried to hoodwink people into thinking that
evidence was just lying around all over the place to show the SS charged Goeth
not only with corruption, but murder.<<
It is Keneallys book mentioning the arrest of Goeth that is available to most
anyone who cares to obtain it. The Morgen material is available to astute
researchers like Critchley and fabulously wealthy insiders like Spielberg. It is
this delusion of Mr. Stein about availability that keeps tripping him up. He
keeps demanding that I feed him a limitless stream of high-calibre material
revising the history of World War Two. The fairly top-notch World War Two
lacunae I have furnished him on Morgen is the stuff that best-selling history
books are made of. It so happens that my colleague Alan R. Critchley is writing
a book on the German military which he hopes will be a best-seller, and while he
does not object to releasing some of his leads for the sake of providing
evidence of the magnitude of libel Spielberg is peddling about the German army,
he is not going to turn his whole manuscript over to the likes of anti-German
zealots like Michael Stein, semi-coherent babblers like Mr. Shein or police
agents like Mr. McVay. Their mission is not that of the curious freethinker
sleuthing the great anomalies twixt the interstices of official propaganda and
then letting the political chips fall where they may. Rather, Stein functions
as a would-be damage control agent, engaged in disparaging--based on his
non-existent personal authority-- the hard facts and data excavated by others.
For example, consider this choice piece of effluvia from Mr. Stein: >>In fact,
it would seem from Morgens affidavit that Goeth was not *convicted* of murder,
given that Koch (commandant of Buchenwald) was shot and Goeth was not.<<
Has Mr. Stein ever heard of a little something called time? In case he does not
know, it ran out for the Nazis in 1945. Goeth was arrested by Morgens SS
investigation squad in September of 1944. He was imprisoned. In the interim the
minor detail known as the collapse of Germany occurred. The SS had had the time
to execute Commandant Koch. Commandant Goeth got a brief reprieve due to the
fall of Germany, until he himself fell into the hands of the Allies.
Finally, we note that Mr. Stein has not yet availed himself of the ample
historical literature on the fake versions of the Talmud referred to as >>other
versions>> in Danby and Soncino. This is too bad because with a little digging
he could have made what would have appeared to have been a plausible case for
the necessity of the rabbinical self-censorship of the texts. I qualify this as
an >> appearance of plausibility<< because upon deeper examination, the
documentation indicates that the opposite obtained. But since Mr. Stein is very
much the captive of appearances, it would have at least added to the merriment
to have had him argue a case with even minimum plausibility, in
contradistinction to the circumstances that obtain now, wherein he betrays his
position with nearly every sentence he writes.
Your time for this session of Auschwitz of the Mind is up , Mr. Stein. Please
make your check payable to the Fund for German Survivors of Khazar Hate
Propaganda, and I trust you will return soon for further, >>chochmos
chitzonios.<<
-- Michael A. Hoffman II, >>a conscientious scientist<< who also happens to
edit Revisionist Researcher Magazine; current issue U.S.$6 from Wiswell Ruffin
House, POBox 236, Dresden, New York 14441.
Stephan Schulz
[Stupid, inane and childish diatribe deleted - I wonder what would
happen to Hoffman if Hermi would be allowed to kill the hopeless
psychopaths...]
|> Ready? Here we go. Author:L.B. Title:Z.I.T.A.D.
Just in case somebody really wants to check this out: I guess he is
talking about
Brenner, Lenni: Zionism in the age of the dictators,
London : Croom Helm ; Westport, Conn. : L. Hill, c1983
[As above...but then perhaps Miltie's euthanasia would not be applied
to stupid Nazi assholes...]
Stephan
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hoffm...@delphi.com
>I really fail to understand how Morgen's testimony in Nuernberg
>(and, if I recall correctly, he also testified in the Frankfurt
>"Auschwitz Trial", held by the German legal system) - can help
>the deniers.
>
>Morgen talked at great length about Nazi mass murder in gas
>chambers. He said he was shocked when he discovered it, and tried
>to stop it, but very soon found out that the orders for the mass
Has Keren noted the title of this thread? It is >>Goeths Arrest.<<
We are debating the impact of the arrest of Goeth by the SS on the
credibility of the film, >>Schindlers List.<<
Kindly raise your point, worthy as it is, in another thread.
Ken Mcvay
>Welcome to Auschwitz of the Mind
We see it here time and time again.. scratch these folks a bit, and
the suppuration begins to show.
>zealots like Michael Stein, semi-coherent babblers like Mr. Shein or police
>agents like Mr. McVay. Their mission is not that of the curious freethinker
Police agent, Mr. Hoffman? What evidence do you have for such
nonsense? What are you trying to imply?
--
"However, it is sophistry to proclaim that something must have happened a
certain way because your `reason' demands it." (Greg Raven, Institute for
Historical Review)
Barry Shein
From: kmc...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
>In article <RezUiBc.h...@delphi.com> hoffm...@delphi.com writes:
>>zealots like Michael Stein, semi-coherent babblers like Mr. Shein or police
>>agents like Mr. McVay. Their mission is not that of the curious freethinker
>
>Police agent, Mr. Hoffman? What evidence do you have for such
>nonsense? What are you trying to imply?
He's trying to imply that there's a good reason phrases like
"semi-coherent babbler" come to mind, even if his targets are a bit
off base.
I love guys like Hoffman, they make such asses of themselves and come
off as such utter lunatics who has to expend energy discrediting the
revisionists? This stuff is right up there with the weirdest US Maoist
or Trotskyist stuff ("are you ready for the worker's paradise soon to
come! join us, comrades, and smash the evil capitalist...blah blah")
or Tony Alamo (recently deceased) handbills about the pope being
behind every evil on earth.
I remember back when Lyndon LaRouche went under the name "Lynn Marcus"
and was a leftist (sort of, NCLC) making spittle-flying speeches in
Bryant Park in Manhattan about how the police were all sexual deviates
fixated on their batons which were actually huge dildos blah blah BLAH
blah BLAH.
Most everyone recognizes these kinds of people, and the few that don't
are as lost as they are. It's the same instinct that tells an animal
to shy away from another sick animal, only we sense it at an
intellectual level.
What a freak show.
--
-Barry Shein
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Raskolnikov
with someone pointing out that your conclusions are wrong?
I mean, are you trying to become moderator of a.r. too?
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Brian Harmon "All Truths are for me soaked in blood"
Miami University -Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_
Oxford, Ohio 45056 "yeeck! ack! ungh!" -- me
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NLG Civil Liberties Committee
The attempt to label someone as a police agent as a means to undermine
their credibility has a long and sordid history in the U.S. Criticism and
confrontation with facts is not a "policing" function nor a form of censorship.
Those of us who attempt to expose the revisionists and other bigots and
fascists on the net are not the "Net Police," we are attempting to balance the
industrious few who promote scapegoating and demagoguery. The net community
is in its infancy, and like any community, it has to develop mechanisms to
allow debate but set standards of decency and honesty that reflect the majority
while respecting the rights of the minority.
By whining about McVay and others who expose the twisted logic of the
revisionists, the revisionists show the shallowness of their arguments.
No censorship, just long "Twit" files kept by each user. To shut the door on
a huckster is just common sense.
-Chip
Christopher Hoover
>In article <RezUiBc.h...@delphi.com>, hoffm...@delphi.com writes:
>> Welcome to Auschwitz of the Mind
>[chomp chomp chomp]
>> Before you shower your anti-Goyimite invectives upon me for making the
>> distinction between Christian working people and Edomite parasites, I require
>> that you regard the beam of anti-Gentile racism in your own eye, as exhibited in
>> your statement:
>Yikes. I think there may be a place in alt.usenet.kooks
>for this guy....
Hmmmm. Not enough sheer posting volume yet, methinks. But just wait,
and give the boy a little time....
Chris
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Raskolnikov
> Before you shower your anti-Goyimite invectives upon me for making the
> distinction between Christian working people and Edomite parasites, I require
> that you regard the beam of anti-Gentile racism in your own eye, as exhibited in
> your statement:
Yikes. I think there may be a place in alt.usenet.kooks
for this guy....
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Brian Harmon "Everything has its wonders, even darkness and
Miami University silence.."
Oxford, Ohio 45056 -Helen Keller
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Brian Trosko
: >Yikes. I think there may be a place in alt.usenet.kooks
: >for this guy....
: Hmmmm. Not enough sheer posting volume yet, methinks. But just wait,
: and give the boy a little time....
And not enough random capitalization, either.
Brian "UNAUTHORIZED DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT information is
ENCOURAGED" Trosko
Michael P. Stein
>Stein: >>Keneally did not say what Hoffmans words implied they did (sic)...
>Ainsztein did not say anything more than Keneally, although Hoffman tried to
>fool people into thinking they did.<<
>
>Keneally said exactly what I said he did: he said Goeth was arrested
>by the SS.
That's what Keneally said, but not exactly what Hoffman first said
Keneally said. See below.
>In previous postings, Mr. Stein was satisfied that sufficient rejoinder lay
>in his parrot-like stammering, >>Keneally says Goeth was only arrested for
>corruption.<< Where did he derive this information about Keneally and
>Goeth?From this writer.
False. I had read Keneally well before Hoffman arrived here, and
posted the relevant quotation with no further information from Hoffman.
>Stein routinely begs for research data from me.
False. I routinely demand that Hoffman live up to the usual
scholarly standard and provide sources for his assertions, so they can
be verified. I am quite capable of finding sources of information on my
own.
>When it is furnished he spins it into a farrago from which he hallucinates
>alternately ludicrous and desperate hypotheses: >>Hoffman dishonestly tried
>to say that Keneally said the SS had arrested Goeth for both corruption and
>murder<< Since I have never said any such thing,
Oh, but he did. (I love my hard drive.)
From: hoffm...@delphi.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Schindler Fraud
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 94 20:16:42 -0500
Message-ID: <pq20A26.h...@delphi.com>
[...]
The crucial truth that Spielberg withheld from his audience is that in
Sept., 1944, Goeth was arrested by the Central Office of the SS
Judiciary and imprisoned on charges of theft and the murder of
^^^^^^
concentration camp inmates. Spielberg was certainly aware of this fact
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
since it is mentioned in chapter 31 of the book by Keneally upon which
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
the movie is supposedly based.
<end quote>
Res ipse loquitur. (Since Mr. Hoffman is so fond of Latin.)
I did try to give him the benefit of the doubt for sloppy writing,
but I'm now holding him to his own standards.
>Next, after pleading, whining and hectoring with an intensity I have not
>observed since the last campaign for Israel Bonds, our mendicant holy hoaxer
>wheedled me into providing him with a few choice bits of info on Kastner.
Which I didn't really want. All I wanted was Hoffman's source to
verify his accuracy, which is currently hovering near zero for all his
Goeth sources (and sinking - see the end of this post).
>I suppose you will greet this decision with the usual string of
>denunciations and demands to the effect that you have a right to my
>source(s).
I most certainly do have such a right, just as Hoffman or anyone else
has a right to challenge me to produce my sources, if for no other reason
than to make sure I am interpreting them correctly. Honest scholars and
researchers should have no problem with that.
>But let us have some fun. I will give the initials of one book with
>important Kastner references as well as the initials of the author of that
>book. [...] Ready? Here we go. Author:L.B. Title:Z.I.T.A.D.
No problem. Lenni Brenner: Zionism in the Age of the Dictators, of
course. Naturally I can obtain that book; my neighborhood library (the
Library of Congress; you may have heard of it) is fairly well stocked. I
didn't know if it was Brenner, or "Perfidy" by Ben Hecht, or "The Hidden
History of Zionism" by Ralph Schoenman. I even have in hand a copy of
Kastner's own postwar affidavit - which, as one might imagine, has a
rather different slant on what went on, notably with regard to Becher.
Then there's Herman Liebermann's response to Hecht, "The Man and His
'Perfidy'", as well as sources in Hebrew and even Yiddish (Paluszak,
Elias: "Shuldik Oder Nisht Shuldik?").
The thing is, I suspect that no matter what I may cite favorable to
Kastner, if it comes from any other source, Hoffman will simply say it's a
deliberately fabricated whitewash (like textual variants of the Talmud),
and only *his* source contains the truth. (You see, by Hoffman's rules,
information favorable to Nazis is always true and must always be
diligently searched for and mentioned, but information favorable to Jews
and Zionists is false and can be ignored.) So I might as well save myself
a lot of pointless effort and go straight to Hoffman's own source first to
see if he's even reading it correctly.
>Another Stein yarn:>>Oh, dear. Mr. Hoffman said that >verification of the
>arrest, prosecution and imprisonment of Goeth may be found...in the
>testimony of Morgen himself.<
>
>>>Arrest yes. But on what charges?<<
>
>Check your own translation of Morgens affidavit, Mr. Stein (and
>incidentally if it really is your translation, it is a darned good one).
As previously stated, I made my own translation. While it was
essentially accurate in its intial form, there were a few words or phrases
where Ulrich Roessler pointed out some nuances and suggested improvements
to better capture the tone - so I cannot take sole credit.
>SS Judge Morgen
>states that arrests were for >>the assumption of a license to kill by
>commandants and subordinates...acts of brutality and sadism<<
>
>Got your bifocals cleaned, old timer? Morgen says arrests were for >>the
>assumption of a license to kill<< by >>commandants,<< including the
>commandant, after June, 1943 at >>Krakau-Plaszow.<< The commandant at
>Krakau-Plaszow in that time period was Amon Goeth.
Evidently Mr. Hoffman, for all his vocabulary, learned to read at the
same school attended by Tim McCarthy. Morgen gave a laundry list of
criminal acts he found, committed (as he said) by SS men and prisoners
both, followed by a list of commandants arrested. But there were over a
hundred cases. Hoffman evidently believes that every person arrested was
charged with every single crime on the list.
That's rather like claiming the statement "I have books on my shelves
written in French, German, and Hebrew - for example 'La peste', 'Faust',
and the Torah" *must* mean that *each* book contains *all three*
languages. It is possible for this to be true, but hardly the normal
reading! Morgen's statement does not rule out the possibility that Goeth
was charged with murder, but neither does it clearly establish that point.
>Observe the mentality of the zealot and the partisan: Mr. Stein does
>not pause for a moment to breath a single note of surprise at the
>testimony of Morgen,
That's because to me, it's old news. I knew about it earlier; it
was mentioned here before Mr. Hoffman arrived on the scene, as was the
result of another SS trial where the court condemned an officer for
sadism even as it explicitly affirmed the necessity of killing the Jews.
Mr. Hoffman has the strange conceit that he's the only person that
knows anything. What is it about this newsgroup that brings out so many
people who are legends in their own minds?
Anyway, let us now turn to the last piece of evidence cited by
Hoffman, the affidavit of Kurt Mittelstaedt (NO-1875), as cited in Mazor,
Michel: "Le phe'nome`ne nazi (documents nazis commente's)" [The Nazi
Phenomenon (annotated Nazi documents)] [Editions du Centre, 1957], p.
146:
I, the undersigned, Kurt Mittelstaedt, former SS-
Obersturmbannfu"hrer and SS judge, declare under oath:
In the summer of 1944, the chief representative of the SS Central
Office, SS-Oberfu"hrer Dr. Reinecke, showed me a sort of Roneotyped*
proclamation the text of which ran something like this:
"Jewish men and women - Have no fear, nothing will happen to you in
Germany. You will be put to work there, because Germany has need of the
labor of every man and every woman. Don't give up your valuables, don't
give them to the Hungarian police, but take them with you to Germany.
You will need them there."
The text, of which I have given you here the sense, was worded
differently; it corresponds however to the sense of the proclamation, as
I understood it. The scheme of the proclamation had been devised by
SS-Sturmbannfu"hrer and judge Dr. Morgen according to instructions
from Budapest. I don't know if the proclamation was distributed to the
Jews before the departure of the convoys from Hungary to Auschwitz.
All human considerations aside, in my estimation it is contrary to
the attributes of a judge to take or promote such measures. Dr. Morgen
must have known by this time what fate awaited the Jews at Auschwitz.
He could not have been less capable of speaking in this proclamation of
work in Germany and deceiving them about the disposition of their
property, even if it involved the interests of Germany.
The facts given above are accurate. I have made this declaration
voluntarily and without constraint. I have read, signed, and approved
this declaration
Oberusel, 14th December 1945. <signed> Kurt MITTELSTAEDT
*Roneo is a trademark; I would guess it's some sort of mimeograph or stencil.
<end quote>
Although this is a secondary source, and an English translation (yes,
this time entirely mine) of a French translation of a German original to
boot, it's pretty hard to mess up the translation of "Goeth" or "Plaszow,"
neither of which appear in the source. Nor, for that matter, does
"meurtre" (murder) or "homicide" (exactly what it looks like).
Mazor does not show any ellipsis dots, as he does in some other
documents, so this would appear to be the complete statement. Unless Mr.
Critchley was referring to some different Mittelstaedt affidavit, or found
additional text that Mazor left out without any indication that he had
done so, it would seem that document NO-1875 is essentially a character
reference for Morgen, and has no more to do with showing what charges were
laid against Amon Goeth than the latest football scores. Yet Mr. Hoffman
certainly made a big deal of it. How very odd.
While it's possible that the indictment of the SS court may have
additional information - and I may look to see if this is among the
captured German records at the National Archives as time and other
research priorities permit - no source cited by Hoffman appears to give
firm backing to his claim that the SS charged the murderous Amon Goeth
with anything other than corruption.
I note that the bluffer still couldn't say what was wrong with my
Hebrew. As for the rest of Mr. Hoffman's posting, the only sensible
response is thorazine, 60mg.
--
Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
hoffm...@delphi.com
>>Police agent, Mr. Hoffman?What evidence do you have for such nonsense?What
are you trying to imply?<<
the semen streamed from her pussy.>> Prostitute, Mr. Hoffman? What evidence do
you have for such nonsense?What are you trying to imply?<<
I aint implying anything McVay. I am saying flat out you is The Man, The Heat,
The Fuzz; a self-admitted collaborator with the U.S. Dept. of Justice, Office
of Special Investigations (cf. McCleans Magazine, Oct. 17, 1994, p. 6).
Moreover, are you or are you not a supporter, upholder and fellow-traveler of
the Canadian government prosecution and Zionist and misnamed >>human rights<<
groups in Canada who seek to imprison publisher Ernst Zundel and school teacher
Jim Keegstra and ban writer David Irving? No one but a cop would support the
imprisonment of publishers and teachers and a ban on writers. What is your
considered position on this Canadian inquisition, Patrolman McVay?
Do you or do you not support absolute freedom of speech, press and travel for
revisionists in Canada?
Also, your >>dossiers<< on revisionists comprise prosecution materials for
witchfinder generals in Germany, Australia, Britain, France, South Africa and
Canada. In those countries, prison sentences are imposed upon those who express
doubts about homicidal gassings having taken place in Auschwitz and other camps.
McVay aids and abets this inquisition; news of this inquisition has been largely
successfully suppressed in the Establishment propaganda media.
McVay is a spy for O.S.I. official Eli Rosenbaum and others of his ilk who seek
to deport and imprison elderly anti-communists but who never investigate or
prosecute Khazar communists living or traveling in the U.S. who were responsible
for atrocities and war crimes against the peasants of Russia and Eastern Europe.
Mr. McVay is well paid for spying on us here on the Internet. A nice
Judeo-Christian church in Canada is paying him a salary.
The rabbis at the multi-million dollar Simon Wiesenthal Wax Museum in Los
Angeles have issued a bull, a fatwa declaring that Internet needs government
censorship:>>It may be time for the FCC to place a cop on the information super
highway.<< Rabbi Abraham Cooper (cf. Home Office Computing Magazine, Nov. 1994,
p. 18).
--Michael A. Hoffman II, ==Another Voice for Indecency==Send U.S.$3 for our
Book, Tape and Sticker catalog:Wiswell Ruffin, Box 236, Dresden, N.Y. 14441
USA.
Danny Keren
"Revisionist scholar" <hoffm...@delphi.com> wrote:
# She tucked the ten dollar bill under her mattress and pulled up her
# panties as the semen streamed from her pussy.
See, folks, this is what they mean when they say that "Holocaust
revisionism is the great intellectual adventure of the century".
# I aint implying anything McVay. I am saying flat out you is The Man,
# The Heat, The Fuzz; a self-admitted collaborator with the U.S.
# Dept. of Justice, Office of Special Investigations
Ken McVay wrote the OSI, and asked for some transcripts of
interrogation of former SS guards at the death camps. He posted
these transcripts on the net, BTW. What is wrong with that? There
is nothing secret about these transcripts, and nothing wrong
with anyone asking to see them. It's the same as going to a library
and looking for material there. What's your problem, Hoffman old boy?
-Danny Keren.
hoffm...@delphi.com
>>huge dildos blah blah BLAH blah blah<<
Shein on!
hoffm...@delphi.com
Dept.
>>revisionists and other bigots and fascists>>
equating the act of revising Big Brothers official line with >>bigotry<< and
>>fascism.<<
>>The net community...has to develop mechanisms to allow debate but set
standards of decency and honesty>>
We need standards on the net?
Guess who will set the >>standards<<: Janet Reno. Simon Wiesenthal. Elie Wiesel.
Deborah Lipstadt. Louis Freeh. Hillary Clinton. Ken McVay. Sabina Citron.
>>Chip<<(Berlet?) and all the other chief rabbis and jailers.
Guess what will be stigmatized as >>indecent<< and >>dishonest<<? The postings
of revisionists.
The rabbis at the multi-million dollar Simon Wiesenthal Wax Museum in Los
FCC to place a cop on the information super highway.<< Rabbi Abraham Cooper (cf.
Home Office Computing Magazine, Nov. 1994, p. 18).
Book and Tape catalog:Wiswell Ruffin House, P.O. Box 236, Dresden, N.Y. 14441
USA.
ABSOLUTE FREEDOM OF SPEECH WITHOUT COMPROMISE
Barry Shein
From: hoffm...@delphi.com
>She tucked the ten dollar bill under her mattress and pulled up her panties as
>the semen streamed from her pussy.>>
Thank you for your erudite contribution to the conversation, Mr
Hoffman. As always you have provided clear and guiding focus on the
pressing issues of the day and offered much to think about.
Oh, and one other thing: WATCH OUT THE BATS ARE IN THE ROOM WITH YOU
THE ZIONIST BRAIN CONTROLLING BATS ARE GOING TO LAY THEIR EGGS IN YOUR
HAIR WHICH WILL MAKE YOU THEIR SLAVE WATCH OUT WATCH OUT WATCH OUT!!!
This has been a public service announcement.
Barry Shein
From: hoffm...@delphi.com
>Shein on!
ah, we are back to making fun of each other's names! I knew we'd find
your level.
>>huge dildos blah blah BLAH blah blah<<
Those were Lyndon "Lynn Marcus" Larouche's words, not mine.
I realize you can't keep the voices in your head straight.
Morrison
[giggle]
[chuckle]
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! (ROTFL)
This is great! He keeps this up and my 'quotes' file is going to grow
exponentially!
Keith Morrison
The ROTFL Quote of the Week:
McVay is a spy for O.S.I. official Eli Rosenbaum and others of his ilk who seek
to deport and imprison elderly anti-communists but who never investigate or
prosecute Khazar communists living or traveling in the U.S. who were responsible
for atrocities and war crimes against the peasants of Russia and Eastern Europe.
- Michael A. Hoffman II
************************************************************
*t0...@unb.ca * My views are not those of the University *
*************** of New Brunswick. UNB never has views on *
* * on anything, ever. *
************************************************************
Barry Shein
From: hoffm...@delphi.com
>Alt.revisionism is for those who can handle 100 proof debate. If this is too
>much for your Pollyanna taste, go post in alt.infant.
Well, if you ever offer anything resembling debate I'll be sure to
keep this in mind.
>When describing Ken McVay, a paid prostitute of the Sanhedrin-Inquisition
>against writers, teachers and publishers in Canada, it is most fitting and
>appropriate to make a graphic comparison with the whoredoms of Babylon.
This is debate? What's your single best evidence McVey is a paid
prostitute of the Sanhedrin-Inquisition?
Daniel Mittleman
>When describing Ken McVay, a paid prostitute of the Sanhedrin-Inquisition
>against writers, teachers and publishers in Canada, it is most fitting and
>appropriate to make a graphic comparison with the whoredoms of Babylon.
Is it just me, or does Hoffman sound more and more like Serdar Argic
with each post?
===========================================================================
daniel david mittleman - da...@arizona.edu - (602) 621-2932
hoffm...@delphi.com
against writers, teachers and publishers in Canada, it is most fitting and
appropriate to make a graphic comparison with the whoredoms of Babylon.
his ten bucks slipped under his mattress by the Pharisee-idolizing, hireling
pseudo-Christians who front for the Thought Police. He is paid to screw Canadian
intellectuals and the people of Canada out of their God-given liberties.
What McVay is doing must not be depicted with cosmetic phraseology. I am not
concerned about the sensibilities of jailers, rabbis, censors or their lap dogs.
I am interested in sounding an alarm, as a voice in the wilderness, to wake my
people up to the corruption that occurs when individuals hop aboard a
consensus-driven bandwagon which, beneath the trendy anti-fascist rhetoric, has
as its sum effect, the interdiction of thinkers and ideas. That process of
interdiction is decidedly not pretty and if you are discomfited by strong
analogies to it, then that is your problem. I make no apologies to inquisitors
or anti-Christs.
Alt.revisionism is for those who can handle 100 proof debate. If this is too
much for your Pollyanna taste, go post in alt.infant.
II. Rev. 19:2.
Send U.S. $3.00 for catalog of books, tapes and stickers the thought police
would like to ban. Send to: Wiswell Ruffin House, POBox 236, Dresden, N.Y.
14441 USA.
THE HOLY THOUGHT POLICEMAN HAS ISSUED HIS BULL:
********************************************************************************
************>>Says Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the (Simon)
Wiesenthal Center: >It may be time for the FCC to place a cop on the information
superhighway.<< --Home Office Computing, November, 1994, p. 18.
********************************************************************************
************
Remember the victims of the thought police:Ernst Zundel, imprisoned for
publishing the book >>Did Six Million Really Die?<<
David Irving, imprisoned in Canada and then permanently banned from that country
for writing history books Ken McVay and Rabbi Cooper do not like.
Jim Keegstra: fired from his teaching post and prosecuted in two state show
trials for telling his students about the Controversy of Zion.
hoffm...@delphi.com
against writers, teachers and publishers in Canada, it is most fitting and
appropriate to make a graphic comparison with the whoredoms of Babylon.
I will not tailor my words to suit the fashions of the powerful. McVay has had
his ten bucks slipped under his mattress by the Pharisee-idolizing, hireling
pseudo-Christians who front for the Thought Police. He is paid to screw Canadian
intellectuals and the people of Canada out of their God-given liberties.
What McVay is doing must not be depicted with cosmetic phraseology. I am not
concerned about the sensibilities of jailers, rabbis, censors or their lap dogs.
I am interested in sounding an alarm, as a voice in the wilderness, to wake my
people up to the corruption that occurs when individuals hop aboard a
consensus-driven bandwagon which, beneath the trendy anti-fascist rhetoric, has
as its sum effect, the interdiction of thinkers and ideas. That process of
interdiction is decidedly not pretty and if you are discomfited by strong
analogies to it, then that is your problem. I make no apologies to inquisitors
or anti-Christs.
Alt.revisionism is for those who can handle 100 proof debate. If this is too
much for your Pollyanna taste, go post in alt.infant.
--MICHAEL A. HOFFMAN
II. Rev. 19:2.
Send U.S. $3.00 for catalog of books, tapes and stickers the thought police
14441 USA.
Ken Mcvay
bc.general, but I thought folks there might find Mr. Hoffman's latest
vitriol of interest, given recent discussions there about my work, and
about Doug Collins.]
In article <B491DYe.h...@delphi.com> hoffm...@delphi.com writes:
>Shine a Red Light on Officer McVay
>>>Police agent, Mr. Hoffman?What evidence do you have for such nonsense?What
>are you trying to imply?<<
>She tucked the ten dollar bill under her mattress and pulled up her panties as
>the semen streamed from her pussy.>> Prostitute, Mr. Hoffman? What evidence do
>you have for such nonsense?What are you trying to imply?<<
Wipe your chin, Mr. Hoffman, the spittle is showing.
>I aint implying anything McVay. I am saying flat out you is The Man, The Heat,
>The Fuzz; a self-admitted collaborator with the U.S. Dept. of Justice, Office
>of Special Investigations (cf. McCleans Magazine, Oct. 17, 1994, p. 6).
You must have a different edition of MacLean's, Mr. Hoffman (perhaps
that is why you called it "McCleans Magazine," which I have never
heard of), because nowhere in the MacLeans article does it say that I
"collaborate" with the OSI.
Here, word for word, is what it _does_ say:
"McVay has received help, in the form of research and additional
documents, from supporters who include Eli Rosenbaum, chief
war-crimes prosecutor for the U.S. justice department."
(_Maclean's_ Magazine, Oct. 17, 1994, p. 6)
Nowhere, Mr. Hoffman, is there any indication of facts beyond those I
have already outlined here: The OSI provided me with photocopies of
public documents, readily available from American court procedings -
nothing more, nothing less. As an American citizen, as well as a
Canadian citizen, I have no problem with an American public official
providing me (or you, for that matter) with public documents. Perhaps
you can explain how receiving public documents from such an official
somehow makes me a "police agent." (What a twisted view of life you
must have, Mr. Hoffman - thank you for sharing it with us.)
>Moreover, are you or are you not a supporter, upholder and fellow-traveler of
>the Canadian government prosecution and Zionist and misnamed >>human rights<<
>groups in Canada who seek to imprison publisher Ernst Zundel and school teacher
>Jim Keegstra and ban writer David Irving? No one but a cop would support the
>imprisonment of publishers and teachers and a ban on writers. What is your
>considered position on this Canadian inquisition, Patrolman McVay?
My position, which has been clearly stated in the press (see below),
on the radio, and on television, is this: I am opposed to censorship
of ideas, and that includes the InterNet, Mr. Zuendel's hate
literature, and Mr. Irving's travels. Period. (I prefer crap like
yours out on the sidewalk, where I can avoid stepping in it, Mr.
Hoffman.)
Victoria (B.C.) Times-Colonist, October 14, 1994. Front
page:
But censoring Internet material is not the answer, he said:
"It's safer to have it up-front and out in the open where
we can smell it."
Tell me, Mr. Hoffman, if there is something in that excerpt that
confuses you?
>Do you or do you not support absolute freedom of speech, press and travel for
>revisionists in Canada?
Yes, I do. (There was a time, several years ago, when I did not.
However, after years of being subjected to poison like yours, I came
to realize that the only remedy was public exposure and education.)
>Also, your >>dossiers<< on revisionists comprise prosecution materials for
>witchfinder generals in Germany, Australia, Britain, France, South Africa and
>Canada. In those countries, prison sentences are imposed upon those who express
>doubts about homicidal gassings having taken place in Auschwitz and other camps.
>McVay aids and abets this inquisition; news of this inquisition has been largely
>successfully suppressed in the Establishment propaganda media.
The files contained in the "dossier" archives contain public
information, taken from world-wide press reports. Do you have a
problem with that, Mr. Hoffman?
>McVay is a spy for O.S.I. official Eli Rosenbaum and others of his ilk who seek
>to deport and imprison elderly anti-communists but who never investigate or
>prosecute Khazar communists living or traveling in the U.S. who were responsible
>for atrocities and war crimes against the peasants of Russia and Eastern Europe.
Bullshit, Mr. Hoffman. You appear to have gone off the deep end -
although your BSI (Berg Spittle Index) comes in at a disappointing
0.75 (Mr. Berg reached your level of gratuitous insult in a mere
three weeks on the net.)
Where is your evidence for this transparent slander?
> Mr. McVay is well paid for spying on us here on the Internet. A nice
>Judeo-Christian church in Canada is paying him a salary.
Bullshit, Mr. Hoffman. No church, in Canada or elsewhere, is paying me
a salary (it would be nice, but it simply isn't true), and you, sir,
are a liar. Period. The _only_ salary I receive is the $622 my boss
gives me every two weeks. What _evidence_ can you provide to support
this absolutely ridiculous accusation?
(Yes, Mr. Hoffman, the United Church of Canada's British Columbia
Conference is issuing tax receipts for donations to the fund
established to help me obtain better equipment. Thank you for bringing
that up. Anyone wishing to donate to the fund should make their
cheques payable to the United Church of Canada (B.C. Conference),
earmark them "CRJ/Fascism and Holocaust Archives," and send them to
the Committee for Racial Justice, 103-1290 Homer Street, Vancouver,
British Columbia, CANADA V6B 2Y5, as previously noted by Doyal, in
this newsgroup and elsewhere.)
What have we established here, Mr. Hoffman?
You lied about my being a "police agent."
You lied about my being a "spy."
You lied about my receiving a salary from a church.
In short, Mr. Hoffman, you are a liar.
Your article, however, is not without its value. I will quote it on
"Canada AM" soon, as an illustration of precisely why I am still doing
this, after three long years. It's certain to attain classic status
within a very short time.
Morrison
- Michael A. Hoffman II
Am I the only one to detect just a *bit* of irony in the above
statement? You know, of the PKB variety?
Keith
Scott H Mullins
>When describing Ken McVay, a paid prostitute of the Sanhedrin-Inquisition
>against writers, teachers and publishers in Canada, it is most fitting and
>appropriate to make a graphic comparison with the whoredoms of Babylon.
Still no evidence for this, eh?
[del]
>Alt.revisionism is for those who can handle 100 proof debate. If this is too
>much for your Pollyanna taste, go post in alt.infant.
Hee-hee. Oh, yeah, your posts are _really_ bothering me! You better
stop now. I'm going to try to censor you! The CIA is beaming
thought control rays at you RIGHT NOW! We'll have your brain
for the Zionist world conspiracy any day now.
Whatever you do, PLEASE DON'T POST ANYMORE! It really, really,
really, really, really, really, really, really bothers me.
--
Scott
smul...@ecn.purdue.edu
hmor...@ubmail.ubalt.edu
> What McVay is doing must not be depicted with cosmetic phraseology. I am not
> concerned about the sensibilities of jailers, rabbis, censors or their lap
dogs.
> I am interested in sounding an alarm, as a voice in the wilderness, to wake my
> people up to the corruption that occurs when individuals hop aboard a consen
> as its sum effect, the interdiction of thinkers and ideas. That process of
> interdiction is decidedly not pretty and if you are discomfited by strong
> analogies to it, then that is your problem. I make no apologies to inquisitors
> or anti-Christs.
>
> Alt.revisionism is for those who can handle 100 proof debate. If this is too
> much for your Pollyanna taste, go post in alt.infant.
>
> --MICHAEL A. HOFFMAN
> II. Rev. 19:2.
>
Mr. Hoffman,
Just who are _your_ people? And if they are thinkers, will they really
believe in the swill you write?
Harvey K. Morrell
quir...@ix.wcc.govt.nz
Hoffman, either you're trolling in order to make revisionists look
*really* stupid, or you need psychotherapy. Really.
- Tony Q.
---
Tony Quirke, Wellington, New Zealand (email for phone no)
"...For Mercy has a human heart, | "Cruelty has a Human Heart,
Pity a human face, | And Jealousy a Human Face,
And Love, the human form divine, | Terror the Human Form Divine,
And Peace, the human dress." - SoI| And Secrecy the Human Dress." -SoE.
Warren Burstein
> Is it just me, or does Hoffman sound more and more like Serdar Argic
> with each post?
But he's lacking Argic's anal fixation.
--
/|/-\/-\ The entire *** Jerusalem
|__/__/_/ is a very publishing house mathom.
|warren@ But the cabbie
/ nysernet.org is not paranoid at all.