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Dec 22, 2000, 6:49:20 PM12/22/00

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"..Maxim of Debate Establishes Who The Truth Teller Is - DejaNews Archives
Gives Evidence!"

(Partial Excerpt)

"If I hear something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am not
cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the debate and
conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying by the tactics
employed- the liar always attacks the opposing person and the truth teller
always attacks the opposing premise!" -- Doc Tavish

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"Re: Circumcision and Sucking on Penis by Rabbis is a Jewish Practice
(Link is Illustrated)"

"Personal attack and smear is all you lefties can do. You delete factual
material and lay on personal attack..." Doc Tavish

You always know when you've stumped a lefty-- they delete in its entireity
in most cases what you may post and then lay on with personal attack. They
are very predictable in doing this!

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"Re: Philly Mathews Takes Flight"
(Entire post quoted in exact context to show how the leftists operate
when presented with documented material. Doc Tavish Comment)

On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:54:00 GMT, C.Nay <nay_s...@my-deja.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:13:48 GMT, Philip Mathews <pmat...@my-deja.com>
>wrote:
>>C.Nay <nay_s...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>phil...@aol.com (Philip Mathews) wrote:
>>> >> C.Nay nay_s...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>> >>phil...@aol.com (Philip Mathews) wrote:
>>> >>>>C.Nay nay_s...@my-deja.com wrote:

>>> >>>> Translation: "I have been thoroughly thrashed
>>> >>>> concerning Hoess in the past so do not wish
>>> >>>> to discuss it."

>>> >>>Not by you we haven't. Care to try?

>>> >>Sure you have -- but it's been a while so we can
>>> >>do it again.
>>> >>
>>> >>I believe below is as accurate an accounting as
>>> >>one is likely to find.

>[this is where the facts would be had Philly not snipped
>all 750 lines to make room for his shout of "jew-hater."]

>>> As is always the case when a hoaxster cannot deal
>>> with the facts presented he yelps "Jew hater!" and
>>> runs.

>>You've been exposed.

>I post 750 lines pertaining to Hoess from the time of
>his capture forward and you "expose" me by snipping
>every line and shouting "jew-hater?"
>
>So it is in Holoworld.

They can't refute your facts so they delete them-- hence no argument and
then they lay on with name calling and personal attack as a diversionary
measure. Typical Soviet style tactic typical of the Jewish mindset.

Doc Tavish

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Subject: Re: WE ARE NOT ANTI-SEMITIC - (CBA Bulletin - January 1990)
Date: 12/11/2000
Author: Patrick L. Humphrey <pat...@io.com>
(Post will be shown in full entire context and I will show what Patrick L.
Humphrey kept deleting when he chose instead to make only personal attack
rather than refuting what I posted. Doc Tavish Comment)

Doc Tavish <doc_tavi...@my-deja.com> writes:

>On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:51:09 GMT, pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
>wrote:

>>Doc Tavish <doc_tavi...@my-deja.com> writes:

>>>"WE ARE NOT ANTI-SEMITIC"
>>>(CBA Bulletin - January 1990)

>>>"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what
>>>they do not want to hear." George Orwell, author of "Nineteen Eighty Four"

>>Where you go right down the toilet, Scottie, is that you don't think anyone
>>has a right to ignore your hateful ravings. You're about as much a
>>supporter of the First Amendment as your hero Hitler was, and you're whining
>>because your no-balls hero took the coward's way out 55 years ago and killed
>>himself rather than be held accountable for his actions.

>You are speaking of one man BUT what about the hundreds of Jews who offed
>themselves at Masada? BTW what does Adolf Hitler have to do concerning
>Jewish teachings and attitudes. I merely report the Jewish agenda.

The defenders of Metzada were standing up against what the Jews of 1900
years later were opposing in Germany -- extermination by state-sanctioned
bigotry. You don't report shit, Bradbury. You just put your Jew-hating
spin on anything you can find to support your disease.

>>--PLH, any questions?

>Can't refute what I say so you delete it all and then lay on the personal
>attack and innuendo. Typical leftist response.

Friend, I'm about as far left as Attila the Hun -- I'm more conservative
than a failure of a Nazi like you will ever be. Unlike you, though, I
believe in that Constitution you're so eager to use for toilet paper when
it gets in the way of your bigotry.

>For the archives here is what Patrick deleted:

[the usual Bradbury bullshit]

Keep flailing, Scottie. You've made your bed, and nap time is coming,
soon enough.

--PLH, thus ends tonight's lesson

Here is what he deleted:

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Subject: WE ARE NOT ANTI-SEMITIC - (CBA Bulletin - January 1990)
Date: 12/09/2000
Author: Doc Tavish <doc_tavi...@my-deja.com>

http://www.polarnet.com/~swampy/interest/semitic.html
(Link active December 9,2000)

"WE ARE NOT ANTI-SEMITIC"
(CBA Bulletin - January 1990)

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what
they do not want to hear." George Orwell, author of "Nineteen Eighty Four"

A CONCERNED READER WRITES:
I have enjoyed being a subscriber to your Bulletin, and would like to
continue to be one. It is a wealth of useful information and a much-needed
connection to the sort of freedom-loving persons who are so few and far
between here in the City of (fallen) Angels (Los Angeles).

I am not a Christian. I have no objection to the Christian perspective of
CBA Bulletin. I am not Jewish. I object most strenuously to the
anti-semitic comments I keep finding in the Bulletin. Some of these are
vague and relatively meaningless, such as suggestions that un Christians
are "reprobates" automatically and by definition. Others are much more to
the point, such as the cartoon on page 5 of the July 1989 issue with
"jewish money lender" on it. Now, I agree with the point of the cartoon,
but somehow I never seen any criticism of the borrows, who are the real
problem. Are all (evil) money lenders Jewish?

In past issues I have seen other slanders. The last one I received
contained the remark that Communism and Judaism were synonymous terms and
that the Jews were to blame for the scourge of Communism.

Please observe page 5 in the same issue, bottom right corner.
"Babylonian/Pharisaic gospel of Centralized Government." I agree with the
Babylon part, but whoever included "Pharisaic" in the sentence was pretty
ignorant. The Government established by God for the ancient nation of
Israel was De-centralized. There was no king over Israel in those days.
Each citizen was a Sovereign, who owned his own life, labor and had
property rights, gold and silver money, contract rights, rights to travel,
and every other aspect of what we call today "Liberty." Where do you think
our Founding Fathers got many of their best ideals and ideas? From their
"old" testaments.

As a matter of fact, the ancient nation of Israel was the ONLY example of
a free people prior to 1776. All of their troubles started when the idiots
decided they wanted a King like all the nations around them. When people
are willing to trade their own personal Sovereignty for the security of a
King, they deserve the enslavement they get.

Christians are making the same mistake. If you will research the evolution
of the Messianic idea in Judaism, you will be surprised to discover that
the concept of Messiah as "King" in a governmental fashion is a modern
addition (relatively speaking).

I very much wish to continue taking your Bulletin, but only if your
writers can keep their bias and ignorance in check. Please take it under
consideration.

December 28, 1989

Dear Sir:

Thank you for your letter concerning the CBA Bulletin. We always welcome
comments which will help us improve our paper. But let me say at the very
beginning, that a paper such as ours will naturally reflect the ideas and
attitudes of those who publish it. Of course, that does not mean that we
endorse every writer or advertiser who appears in our issues.

You are absolutely right that we have slighted the "borrowers" in this
country who are "the real problem" as you point out. We will seek to keep
that in mind in future issues. Certainly the money lenders could not exist
were it not for the "dumb goy" borrowers! But certainly, not all borrowers
are "goyim" (Christians) and not all lenders are Jews. Yet it has been
shown in history that one of the goals of the Judaism has been to get
Christians to borrow and get involved in usury which is against God's law.

You call it a "slander" to consider non-Christians as "reprobates
automatically." We must plead guilty. Not because we want to slander
anyone but because we firmly believe that the Scriptures clearly state
that those without a saving faith in Jesus Christ are indeed "reprobates"
- until, of course, they "turn around" (i.e. repent) and follow after
Christ and obey His Holy Law. Since you write you are not a Christian, I
can understand your being offended by such a position. Jesus Christ (i.e.
the "real" Jesus Christ) "offends" almost everyone, especially those who
are not of his flock.

You further state that you "object most strenuously to the anti-semitic
comments" you found in the CBA Bulletin. To my knowledge, we have not
allowed any "anti-semitic comments"! We do have "anti-Jewish" comments
from time to time however, because again, being Christian in our
orientation we have come to realize that everything "Jewish" is by nature
anti-Christ and anti-Christian. You see there are really only two basic
positions one can take in this world today - which is the same as in the
days when Jesus physically walked this earth-1) that of Jesus and His
Father or-2) that of the Pharisees (the first Jews, from Babylon) and
their father.

Jesus said: "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth
not with me scattereth abroad." Matt.12:30

Contrary to what you write in your letter, Communism IS Jewish, to the
core. Even in the early days of the Russian Revolution it was recognized
that the Communism was a Jewish plan.

Ambassador David Rowl and Franches wrote about his experiences in Russia
at that tragic time in RUSSIA FROM THE AMERICAN EMBASSY, Scribner, 1921.
He declared: "...The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews, and
90% of whom are returned exiles, are little for Russia or any other
country but are internationalists, and they are trying to start a
world-wide social revolution."

From the DIRECTORATE OF INTELLIGENCE, THE BRITISH WAR CABINET, (CAB
214/83, July 3, 1916) Came the report:
"Definite evidence has been received that the leaders in the Bolshevik
movement in England, France, and America are in touch with one another and
with Moscow, and that the Bolshevik movement is an INTERNATIONAL
CONSPIRACY OF JEWS."

One could add, a financial-banking conspiracy with most of the money for
the Russian Revolution coming from New York Jewish Bankers.

"Historic truth" from jewish sources alone point to this whether or not
you or I may like it. By the way, if a Jew says something-is it still
"anti-semitic?" [The truth is that the only true anti-semites on the face
of this earth are the Jews, since they are not even a semitic-people in
the first place. Rather they are converts to Judaism (a religion) from all
the other races (which includes Caucasians). The Jews are a religious
body, not a race of people. A great percentage of which are made up of
Bolsheviks, [not Whites]. At any rate here is what they, the Jews, say
about Communism.

THE AMERICAN HEBREW, September 10, 1920:
"The Bolshevist Revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a New
Order in the world. [a New World Order - sound familiar??] What was
performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and
because of Jewish dissatisfaction and by Jewish planning, shall also,
through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, become a reality all
over the world."

DR. OSCAR LEVY in his Preface to THE WORLD SIGNIFICANCE OF THE RUSSIAN
REVOLUTION by George Pitt-Rivers (1920):
"Bolshevism is a religion and a faith. How could those half-converted
believers dream to vanquish the "Truthful" and the faithful of their own
creed ... who had gathered around the Red Standard of the prophet Karl
Marx, and who fought under the guidance of those experienced officers of
all latter - day revolutions - the Jews?"

GEORGE MARLEN, in STALIN, TROTSKY, OR LENIN, on page 414 New York (1937):
"If the tide of history does not turn toward Communist Internationalism,
then the Jewish race is doomed"

THE LONDON JEWISH CHRONICLE, 4-4-19:
"...there is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
many Jews are Bolshevists, in the fact that the ideals of Bolshevism at
many points are consonant with the finest ideals of Judaism."

CHICAGO JEWISH SENTINEL, 10-8-42:
"The Second World War is being fought for the defense of the fundamentals
of Judaism."

I could go on but these should suffice for now to show that even the Jews
themselves take credit for Communism which is the religion of Humanism. It
is Socialism. And Socialism, Humanism, or Communism whatever you choose to
call it is anti-Christ and anti-Christian.

Of the top 556 functionaries in the first Communist Russian government,
over 400 were Jews. Of the first 119 members of the Communist Russian
Council ruling Russia, 81 were Jews. All coincidence? Not to anyone who
has studied outside of the Public Fools System and the Nation-
wide-Zionist brainwashing machine made up of books, papers, T.V.etc.. The
historic as well as present day fact is that Talmudic (and Zionist)
Judaism is the progenitor of modern Communism, Socialism and Marxist
collectivism as it is now applied to over a billion or more of our world's
population. America is more Socialistic than Free thanks to the Judean-
Christian brain washing of our people.

Elizabeth Dilling in her excellent book THE JEWISH RELIGION: ITS INFLUENCE
TODAY writes:
"Only through (a) thorough understanding of the ideology from which this
collectivism originates, and those who dominate and propagate it, can the
rest of the world hope to escape the same fate. Communism Socialism was
originated by Jews and has been dominated by them from the beginning ....
There is no moral, philosophical or ethical conflict whatsoever between
Judaism and Marxist collectivism as they exist in actual practice.
Marxism, to which all branches of Socialism necessarily adhere, was
originated by a Jew, Karl Marx, himself of Rabbinical descent. Every
Jewish source today boasts of his rabbinical ancestry, and his "keen
dialectical ability" (as presumably manifested by his abstruse,
hair-splitting, DESKAPITAL) being due to his Talmudic inheritance ....
Marx did not actually originate anything, but merely "streamlined"
talmudism for Gentile consumption..."

Based on this information and our desire to follow the Law of the Lord we
are forced to continue to be anti-Jew, anti-Pharisee and anti-Talmud.
Since Jesus was anti- Pharisee who called them "of the devil" - snakes and
serpents - any Christian who "blesses" them is not worthy of Christ and is
an enemy of God in spite of the label or flag he may operate under.

Indeed, if Christian America does not wake up to the threat posed by
Talmudic Jewry and heed the warning of Jesus Christ, and others like
George Washington and Benjamin Franklin, to name but a few, our fate as a
Nation is continued and complete slavery.

Dr.Oscar Levy in his Preface (mentioned above) also wrote:
"We Jews, who have posed as the Saviors of the World (God's Chosen People
- what a lie!) we today are nothing else but the world's seducers, its
destroyers, its incendiaries, its executioners."
Jesus, our Lord, had similar thoughts about the Pharisees (the founders of
Judaism) in his earthly life, when he called them "the synagogue of
satin."

Don't be deceived. The battle between Jesus and the Pharisees is the exact
same battle which true Christians have been fighting in every generation
since they murdered Him. Too many today are like the three monkeys who
say: "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" - the evil remains whether
they want to see it, hear about it or speak about it! Yet, they have been
conditioned to love everybody, whether good or evil. In fact many don't
believe that a person can be evil, let alone born that way. But God's Word
says it's so. So it is.

We are told in Scripture that David was a man after God's own heart, yet
he said:
"Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O'God: depart from me therefore, ye
bloody men. For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take
thy name in vain. Do not I hate them, O'Lord, that hate thee? I hate them
with PERFECT HATRED: I count them MINE ENEMIES. Search me, O'God, and know
my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way
in me, and lead me in the way of everlasting." Psalm 139:19-24

It is difficult to stand against the haters of God, Jesus and Christians
today, because one has to fight their way through "Judaized-Christians"
first who defend the wicked anti-Christs! And the thing about recognizing
a "Judean-Christians" is that you have a 50/50 chance of identifying
either a person who is a "deceived Christian" or a "deceiving Talmudic
Jew." Most of the time those who cry "anti-schematic" are one of these.

You wrote, "whoever included "Pharisaic" in the sentence" about the
"Babylonian/Pharisaic gospel of Centralized Government" ... "was pretty
ignorant." Well, I disagree with you.

THE UNIVERSAL JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA recognizes the fact that:
"The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent without a break,
through all the centuries, form the Pharisees."

And, as you probably know, it was the Pharisees who followed the
"Tradition of the Elders" who were condemned by Jesus. The "Tradition of
the Elders" is known to us today as the "Babylonian Talmud." Judaism began
in Babylon. The world today follows the teachings of Babylon through the
Talmudic beliefs spread by the Jews.

The very fact that you can write and tell us that you are NOT a Christian
is in itself a type of proof of the work of the Jews. Bernard Lazare, in
his "L'Anti-semitisme" p.350 wrote:
"The jew is not satisfied with de-Christianizing, he Judaizes. He destroys
... faith, he provokes indifference, but he imposes his idea of the world,
of morals, and of life upon those whose faith he ruins; he works his
age-old task, the annihilation of the religion of (Jesus) Christ."

Many who profess no religious preferences or faith today parrot Jewish
beliefs unknowingly. Until you take a stand for Christ and start studying
His Law and His Word you will continue to see things through the filters
of a humanistic-world view which has been squarely placed on you by the
world and society you live in which is controlled in every way by Judaism
- NOT Christianity. The only influence of Christianity today, if any, is a
perverted form called "Judean-Christianity" neither Christian nor Jewish
but resembling most closely the Persian religion of Zoroaster of ancient
Babylon.

Finally, I would agree with you that our Founding Fathers did consider the
Bible in establishing our government. But, unfortunately, if you study it
out, you will find that they were already infected with the blight of
"Judean-Christianity." In fact, many were Freemasons, which was the Jews
most influential program of de-Christianizing in their day.

The JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA states:
"The technical language, symbolism, and rites of Masonry are full of
Jewish ideas and terms."

In the 1972 publication, JEW IN REVIEW, the following quote from the
JEWISH TRIBUNE is given:
"Masonry is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the
Masonic ritual and what is left?"

No indeed, had the Founding Fathers really followed the Bible they would
have abandoned their English, Greek and Roman "common law" ideas of
government and would have established a Theocracy rather than a
three-headed monster composed of men who could "make" law.

I have already spent more time on this answer than I had intended. I do
hope that you will consider my answer and write again. No doubt we all
have biases and ignorance to some degree, but only by sharing ideas and
areas of study can we hope to come to clearer perception. We appreciate
our readers and would hope that they would be far along in their study
enough to "test" and read "allthings" and take what they find to be truth
and discard the rest. If you are looking for a perfect paper, I think you
should stop looking for you will be disappointed. Ours is a clearinghouse
of information which and truth seeker should find of value in some way.

Again, thank you for your letter. We do appreciate your time in writing
and your concern for our continued success. May the Lord bless you in your
study of Truth, with or without the CBA Bulletin.

Sincerely, Art Hollowell
Editor, CBA Bulletin

George Washington, our first President, also foresaw these perils. He said
that the Jews should be "hunted down as pests of society, and the greatest
enemies we have to the happiness of the United States."

MAXIMS OF GEORGE WASHINGTON, P.125-126

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