Bigotry by Jews Toward Non-Jews (Wine Bigotry) New Findings [In Their Own Words Series] V3.0 S_0206
Hank Kimball (County Agent)
timeless. All links currently active for verification-- 02/10/2001
Special Note February 6, 2004: An attempt was made to get new working links
for links which are now dead.
If anyone thinks I am making a stretch accusing Jewish teachings of being
bigoted then just use this simple test: substitute Jew or Jewish with white
and non-Jew with non-white. We don't want two standards do we?
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Excerpts:
http://www.homestore.com/food_recipes/beverages/wine/kosherwine.asp
(Link no longer active)
"A wine that has been produced under the strictest imaginable kosher conditions
can become un-kosher simply by being poured by a non-Jew."
This mirrors the "spirit" of the above bigotry:
http://www.ahavat-israel.com/ahavat/torat/treif.asp
(Link active February 6, 2004. Archived locally as: ahavatTreif)
"...Yayin Akum - wine touched by a non-Jew: Rabbis prohibited (even to derive
benefit from) the wine of a Jew if it was touched and moved (or even if it may
have been touched) by a non-Jew..."
From the same link above (archived as: ahavatTreif) these examples of bigotry
toward non-Jews also viewable:
<start/quote>
Foods prohibited by Rabbinic law independent of any direct Biblical basis
Bishul Akum - non-Jewish cooking:
One may not eat food cooked by a non-Jew. Rabbis feared that this may
precipitate an inappropriately close personal relationship between Jew and
non-Jew.
Pas Akum - non-Jewish bread:
Similarly, Rabbis prohibited eating bread baked by a non-Jew.
Stam Yoinom - non-Jewish wine:
One may not drink wine of a non-Jew, even if the wine was not poured to avodah
zarah. This prohibition is also based on the concern that drinking his wine may
cause a personal relationship between Jew and non-Jew.
<end/quote>
The above is what is taught about ALL non-Jews behind closed doors YET Gentile
Christendom misleads their flocks with the false teaching a "Judeo-Christian
Alliance" exists! Jews have been anti-Christ and against ALL non-Jews since the
founding of Christianity (and before then as well) and they have been consistent
YET adherents to Christendom are ignorant of the bigotry being taught against
them!
http://www.shemayisrael.com/rabbiforsythe/interpersonal/sensitive.htm
(Link active February 6, 2004. Archived locally as: shemayisrael_sensitive)
"...When you have money that you could earn interest on (e.g. lend on interest
to a non-Jew or make an interest-bearing investment), and a Jew needs a loan,
you are obligated to lend to the money to the Jew for no interest... [I]f your
shul rents space for simchas or gatherings, can you legislate an amplification
limit for those who rent your facilities; do you know any rosh yeshivos or
teachers who can teach their students about how loudness is a serious danger to
people and violation of many areas of Torah [e.g. damages, imitating non-Jewish
culture..."
Does not the above show bigotry toward non-Jews? YES or No?
http://www.okkosher.com/Content.asp?ID=143
(Link active February 6, 2004. Archived locally as: okkosher143)
1. Nowadays the ordinary wine of a non-Jew, or Jewish wine that has been touched
by a non-Jew, is, according to the opinion of some authorities, forbidden only
for drinking purposes, but not forbidden to derive any benefit from it.
Therefore, we are permitted to take non-Jewish wine in payment of a debt due us,
for it is equivalent to saving it from a loss. The same law applies to a case,
when we have violated the law and have purchased wine from them. But it is
forbidden in the first instance to buy wine from them in order to make a profit
by it. Other authorities are lenient even as regards the latter case, but it is
best to follow the stricter opinion.
2. It is permissible to make a bath out of non-Jewish wine for a sick person
although he is not critically ill.
3. If kosher wine that has been boiled until its quantity was reduced by
evaporation, it touched by a non-Jew, it may be used even for the purpose of
drinking it. Wine, into which spices have been put, as long as it still retains
the name wine and has not been boiled, becomes forbidden when touched by a
non-Jew.
4. Victuals mixed with wine, the presence of which is not discernable, even if
the victuals have not yet been brought to a boiling point, do not become unfit
for use if they have been touched by a non-Jew.
5. If wine is adulterated with six parts of water, the wine becomes nullified
and does not become forbidden by the touch of a non-Jew. However, raisin wine,
that is, when water is poured upon the raisins, is considered as true wine.
6. If water is poured upon the kernels of pressed grapes, or upon the lees of
wine, as long as it is improved for the purpose of drinking by doing so, it
becomes forbidden when touched by a non-Jew.
7. If some wine has been extracted from the grapes pressed in a tank, be it even
only a small quantity, or if some wine has been taken out of it into a vessel,
the entire contents of the tank is legally called wine, and it becomes forbidden
by the touch of a non-Jew even if only the kernels or the husks have been
touched. It is, therefore, forbidden to make use of the tanks of grapes found in
the house of a non-Jew, for it is likely that the non-Jew has already extracted
some wine from it. It is forbidden to let a non-Jew press grapes in a tank, even
if such a tank is provided with a stopper.
8. We must also be careful not to let a non-Jew remove the kernels and the husks
from the wine-press, even after we have already extracted the first and second
wine from it, as they might still be moist with wine.
9. If a non-Jew has poured water into wine with the intention of diluting it, we
are not allowed to drink from it. But if he had not intended to dilute it, or
even it if is only doubtful whether he has intended to do so, its use is
permissible.
10. If vinegar is made out of kosher wine, and it is so strong that it seethes
when poured upon the ground, it no longer becomes forbidden by the touch of a
non-Jew. But if vinegar is made out of non-Jewish wine, it always remains
forbidden.
11. Brandy that is made out of non-Jewish wine, or of kernels and husks or of
lees, is considered like the wine itself. But brandy made out of kosher wine, is
no longer rendered unfit for use by the touch of a non-Jew.
12. It has become a prevailing custom to permit the use of Tartaric acid, since
it is not tasteful.
13. If a non-Jew touches wine by means of something else (not a part of his
body), or if it is touched through his power, a rabbi should be consulted as to
the fitness of the wine.
14. When we send wine through a non-Jew, we must take the precaution of doubly
sealing the mouth or the faucet of the vessel.
15. There are many diverse laws regarding the wine that a Jew makes for a
non-Jew, for the purpose of selling it to Jewish consumers. In certain
instances, even double seals and a lock are of no avail. It is necessary to
consult an ordained rabbi as to what procedure to follow in such a case. The
scrupulous should avoid the use of such wine.
16. Regarding the vessels that have contained non-Jewish wine, if they are of
the kind that one ordinarily used for keeping wine, but temporarily, nor have
they contained the wine for twenty-four hours, whether the vessels are of
leather skins, wood, glass, stone, or metal, as long as they are not lined with
pitch, they should be rinsed well with water three times, and then they may be
used....
<END>
Do you adherents of Christendom still think the "Observant Jew" views you as his
equal "spiritual brother" as the false teaching of a "Judeo-Christian Alliance"
tries to perpetuate? All of the examples I give in this current posting are
current teachings being taught by rabbis in each and every synagogue and they
reflect the same animosity toward all non-Jews their forefathers the Pharisees
had!
I.E
Here is the Apostle Peter speaking:
Acts 10:28 :: New International Version (NIV)
He said to them: "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to
associate with a Gentile or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not
call any man impure or unclean.
Acts 10:28 :: King James Version (KJV)
And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that
is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath
shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
Acts 10:28 :: New Living Translation (NLT)
Peter told them, "You know it is against the Jewish laws for me to come into a
Gentile home like this. But God has shown me that I should never think of anyone
as impure.
["Observant" Jews who practice anti-Christ and anti-Gentile Judaism think the
same way today as their spiritual forefathers did 2000 some odd years ago and
more!! Tavish comment]
Look at what the Samaritan woman told Jesus at the well:
John 4:9 :: New Living Translation (NLT)
The woman was surprised, for Jews refuse to have anything to do with Samaritans.
She said to Jesus, "You are a Jew, and I am a Samaritan woman. Why are you
asking me for a drink?"
John 4:9 :: New International Version (NIV)
The Samaritan woman said to him, "You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How
can you ask me for a drink?" (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.[1] )
Footnotes:
4:9 Or do not use dishes Samaritans have used
John 4:9 :: King James Version (KJV)
Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew,
askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings
with the Samaritans.
Moving on:
http://www.kedemwines.com/kosher.htm
New archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010406081328re_/www.kedemwines.com/kosher.htm
(Link active December 20, 2003. Archived locally as: archiveORGkosher)
"What Makes Wine Kosher? The origin of the laws regarding handling by non-Jews
stems from the Torah, as a way of preventing intermarriage. Socializing with the
wine of non-Jews may lead to this eventuality. Therefore, as a safety
precaution, this prohibition was extended to wine touched by a non-Jew."
http://www.koshersupermarket.com/wine/whatmakes.htm
(Link active December 20, 2003. Archived locally as: whatmakes)
http://web.archive.org/web/20030226051845re_/www.koshersupermarket.com/wine/whatmakes.htm
(Link active December 20, 2003. Archived locally as: archiveORGwhatmakes)
"The origin of the laws regarding handling by non-Jews stems from the Torah, as
a way of preventing intermarriage. Socializing with the wine of non-Jews may
lead to this eventuality. Therefore, as a safety precaution, this prohibition
was extended to wine touched by a non-Jew."
http://www.kosherquest.org/html/wines.htm
(Link active February 6, 2004. Archived locally as: kosherquest_wines)
" Wines
Throughout the Torah, we are reminded of the great spiritual significance of
wine in the life of a Jew. In fact, the Talmudic rabbis saw fit to establish a
special law with special regard to wine. Today, the vast majority of wines on
the market are unfit for consumption by the kosher consumer. Throughout all the
stages of wine production, the strictest kosher supervision is required until
the final stage of the actual bottling. There is, of course, the prohibition
concerning wines which relates to the status of boiled wine. Kosher wine that
has been cooked before contact with a non-Jew has occurred is exempted from the
injunction. This prohibition stems from the historical perspective that boiled
wine was considered “improper” to be offered as a libation to an idol (where
wines were often offered by these idol worshipping nations). Such wine, (called
“Yayin Nesach”), that had been offered to an idol was prohibited for Jewish use
of any kind. This was a Torah-based prohibition. In addition, there is also a
rabbinic prohibition which forbids drinking the ordinary wine of non-Jews in
order to reduce social contact which could lead to assimilation and
intermarriage. Such wine is called “Stam Yenam”. <END>
EVERYONE REMEMBER WHAT I ADVISED ABOVE-- "If anyone thinks I am making a stretch
accusing Jewish teachings of being bigoted then just use this simple test:
substitute Jew or Jewish with white and non-Jew with non-white." Run the test on
the above text and do the substitutions and imagine what whites would be called
if they were to utter such teachings!
http://www.ctjewishledger.com/EDITORIALS/20000901_Arereligiouslyorientedconsumerprotectionlawskosher.asp
(Link dead February 6, 2004)
"The traditional Orthodox view is that any wine touched by a non-Jew is not
kosher, although a non-Jew may serve otherwise kosher wine if the wine is
pre-boiled. (Id.; "To Be A Jew," p. 116.) By contrast, the Rabbinical Assembly
of the Conservative Movement in the United States "requires this standard
[regarding the pre-boiling of wine served by non-Jews] only for wine used during
religious ceremonies."
http://www.jewish.com/news/columnists/MICAH78.shtml <Now dead
http://web.archive.org/web/20010304101707re_/www.jewish.com/news/columnists/MICAH78.shtml
(Archived link active February 6, 2004. Archived locally as: MICAH78)
"What makes a wine kosher? The most important element is supervision Ð that a
non-Jew not come into contact with the product from the time the grapes are cut
until after the wine is securely bottled and corked and sealed. More Rabbinic
ink has been spilled on the question of kosher wine than on almost any other
subject in Judaism. The reason for the lengthy discussions is to try to explain
when and how a non-Jew can come into contact with kosher wine..."
http://www.jewish.com/askarabbi/All_The_Rabbis/Orthodox/Rabbi_Shmuel_Jablon/more2.shtml
Sublink: http://www.jewish.com/cgi-bin/askarabbi/links_2.0/jump.cgi?ID=4593
http://web.archive.org/web/20011122024419re_/www.jewish.com/askarabbi/askarabbi/askr4593.htm
(Archived link active February 6, 2004. Archived locally as: askr4593)
Q: A friend claims that a Jew cannot drink kosher wine if it has been poured by
a non-Jew. could you please provide the proper halachah for this -- I have never
run across this before
A: Your friend is, depending on the situation, correct.
Here is the explanation.:
The rabbis forbid us from drinking the wine of non-Jews even when the non-Jews
are not idol worshippers (in which case this would be Toraitic if used for their
rituals). This was to cut down on socialization and thus help to prevent
intermarriage. This prohibition also applies to Kosher wine IF it is not
pre-boiled. (The rabbis allowed us to be lenient with boiled wine as boiled wine
was never offered as sacrifices. Thus, the rabbinic law- created in the pattern
of the Toraitic law- was not have the same leniency.)
<END>
(THEIR WORDS PEOPLE! THEIR TEACHINGS!! I HAVE NOT ADDED A WORD!!! Tavish)
http://www.kosherquest.org/bookhtml/WINES_AND_LIQUORS.htm
(Link active February 6, 2004. Archived locally as: WINES_AND_LIQUORS)
"...Extra caution should be taken with a kosher wine that has not been
previously boiled, lest a non-Jew or Jew who is not Shomer Shabbos should come
in contact with the bottle of wine (maid etc.)"
http://www.chelm.org/jewish/kashrut/l2.nonmeat_regulation.html
(Link active February 6, 2004. Archived locally as: nonmeat_regulation)
Grapes (particularly grape juice products) - Because of the long standing
practice to grow grapes (particularly wine) for idolatry, the Rabbis prohibited
the eating of grape and grape products if they were grown by an unsupervised
non-Jew. Grape juice must not be in the possession of a non-Jew unsupervised
unless it is made unfit for idolatry by boiling (Thus most kosher wine is quick
boiled to allow non-Jewish middle-men to handle it). The Orthodox adhere to this
strictly.
[...]
There are five areas of practice that affect the food. These are :
Challah - in baking bread (of wheat, oats, spelt, rye or barley) one must take a
portion and burn it in the oven reciting the proper blessing. This portion is
known as challah (not the bread). This is not necessary for bread baked by
non-Jew or dough in very small amounts (less than 3 lbs). Any bread made without
this blessing is not considered kosher. Because of the question of what is a
small amount, dough between 3 and 5 lbs. should have challah taken, but no
blessing should be done. (Note OU says the weights are 2 lbs. 10 oz. and 4 lbs.
15 oz. - Pollock says anything over 3 lbs requires blessing).
The reciting of blessing - All meals must be accompany by the proper blessings.
The breaking of a mitzvah in the preparation of food traditionally renders that
food unkosher. This means food cooked (as opposed to reheated) on Shabbat is
unkosher (with exceptions). Both Orthodox and Conservative positions on this are
the same.
Chametz owned over Pesah is not kosher and can not be used or sold.
Extremely fine food prepared completely by non-jewish hands. The food we are
talking about are literally stated as those fit for a king. The key word he is
completely. The Ashkenazi custom is that as long as a Jew does as little as
light the stove, the food is kosher. The Sephardic custom is more stringent.
It should be noted that violation of these rules does not unkasher the appliance
used, only makes the food prepared unfit.
http://www.star-k.org/articles/wine.html?mode=print <Not active
http://web.archive.org/web/20010421092149re_/www.star-k.org/articles/wine.html?mode=print
(Archived link active February 6, 2004. Archived locally as: star-k)
"Alcoholic Wine production takes place at the time of the grape harvest once or
twice a year. The grape harvest usually coincides with the Yomim Noraim season.
Grapes are carefully picked and transferred to the winery where the grapes are
crushed or pressed. The crush or pressing can be done mechanically or manually.
From the moment that the grapes are brought to the winery, the Mashgichim have
to be on constant alert to prevent an inadvertent irreparable Hamshacha, thus
disqualifying the total winemaking process. Hamshacah is defined in Avodah
Zarah, as the separation of the juice of the grape from the grape skin. In
production terms, any movement of the grape juice along the production line,
initiated by the non-Jew, qualifies for Hamshacha. If this Hamshacha is done by
a non-Jew anywhere along the line, whenever the juice is pressed, sampled,
conveyed into the plant, or pumped by hose, the production is disqualified. An
observant Jew must initiate, activate, or operate every essential step of the
crush, including the fermentation, standardization, and sample taking for
quality control. For this reason, the winery must be manned by a sizable crew of
qualified Mashgichim throughout the duration of the crush and a smaller crew
during standardization operations."
http://www.winetoday.com/story/0001219.html <Not active today
http://web.archive.org/web/20000620191535re_/www.winetoday.com/story/0001219.html
(Archived link active February 6, 2004. Archived locally as: 0001219)
"There are two types of kosher wine: Mevushal and Non-Mevushal.
Sabbath-observing Jews must be responsible for the wine from start to finish.
Only kosher yeasts and fining agents can be used. Rabbis supervise the process,
policing strict observance of the laws. This Non-Mevushal kind of wine can only
be opened or served by Jews. If a non-Jew is to get anywhere near the handling
of the wine, from production to serving, the wine must be Mevushal, which means
boiled... There's nothing kosher that's near drinkable from Italy..."
See what is being taught behind closed doors about ALL non-Jews? Their words and
their teachings!
MORE TO COME!
Tavish
--Jewish Tradition will NEVER teach Non-Jews as being equals--
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