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Jesus was not a Jew
Without any fear of contradiction based upon fact the most competent and
best qualified authorities all agree today that Jesus Christ was not a
so-called or self-styled "Jew". They now confirm that during His
lifetime Jesus was known as a "Judean" by His contemporaries and not as
a "Jew", and that Jesus referred to Himself as a "Judean" and not as a
"Jew". Contemporary theologians of Jesus whose competence to pass upon
this subject cannot be challenged by anyone today also referred to Jesus
during His lifetime here on earth as a "Judean" and not as a "Jew".
Jesus is referred as a so-called Jew for the first time in the New
Testament in the 18th century editions in the English language of the
14th century first translations of the New Testament into English. The
history of the origin of the word Jew in the English language leaves no
doubt that the 18th century contracted and corrupted English word for
the 4th century Latin "Iudaeus" found in St. Jerome's Vulgate Edition.
Of that there is no longer doubt.
The available original manuscripts from the 4th century to the 18th
century accurately trace the origin and give the complete history of the
word Jew in the English language. In these manuscript are to be found
all the many earlier English equivalents extending through the 14 from
the 4th to the 18th century. From the Latin "Iudaeus" to the English
"Jew" these English forms included successively "Gyu", "Glu", "Iue",
"Ive", "Iew", and then finally in the 18th century "Jews" through the 14
centuries are "Giwis", "Iuys", "Iews", and then also finally in the 18th
century, "Jews".
Jesus was from the tribe of Judah, therefore being a judean. Not a jew.
The two do not mean the same.


I-am-your-president

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:43:43 -0700 (MST), PATHF...@webtv.net (Path)
wrote:

>
>Jesus was not a Jew

>.......snip

jesus as a physical person never existed.
he is a product of phantasy and propaganda.
Your reasoning about him is irrelevant.

yours,
president

Path

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Thank you mr. president. as usally you show your IQ. path
††††††††††††††
From: pres...@blackhouse.gov (I-am-your-president) Re: Jesus was
no jew
On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:43:43 -0700 (MST), PATHF...@webtv.net (Path)
wrote:
Jesus was not a Jew
......snip
jesus as a physical person never existed. he is a product of phantasy
and propaganda. Your reasoning about him is irrelevant.
yours,
president
<snip this>


dudalb

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WHat a couple of morons.....

Michael Ragland

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What's your point Pathfinder? Judean and Jew aren't the same thing? What
are the differences? If so, why do you care?

Michael Ragland


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Impostor e-mailed message

By CHRISTINE C. IWAN

Journal staff writer


A Manassas, Va., school official who thought she received an
electronic communication from the county executive actually had
an e-mail from a pretender, police said.


A police search of the home of Michael Ragland of Dumfries, Va.,
led police to charge him with impersonating Prince William
County Executive Henry ``Bern'' Ewert. An additional warrant was
issued Tuesday by the commonwealth with computer trespassing,
Commonwealth's Attorney Paul Ebert said.


Police say an electronic letter bearing Ewert's name made its
way through the county computer network from the school board to
the board of supervisors to the Prince William County police,
who began investigating the communication's origin.


Ragland said the e-mail was intended as a parody to expose
Ewert's employment history and was done in an extremely
sarcastic tone. He did not expect the e-mail to be taken
seriously or to have officials file charges, he said.


``Did I impersonate him?'' Ragland said. ``In terms of the law,
I'm guilty as charged, but the intent behind the letter was
noble.''


Ragland said he had been trying to publicize Ewert's history by
sending several pages of past articles to the press, but was
getting no response. He said he needed to get this information
out and thought a ``parody of leadership'' was a feasible way.


``The bottom line is, I made a mistake,'' Ragland said. ``I'm
willing to issue a public apology to Ewert.''


County spokeswoman Kathy Bentz described the e-mail as an open
letter to Prince William County residents that talked
extensively about Ewert's time as Galveston City's interim
manager and misrepresented him.


Ewert couldn't be reached for comment Tuesday.


Officers who searched Ragland's apartment seized articles from
the Galveston County Daily News newspaper, computer disks, a Web
TV bill, Web TV receiver, keyboard and instruction books and
copies of messages to Virginia Dels. Robert Marshall, Harry
Parrish and Michele McQuigg.


Marshall said although he didn't see the e-mail, he is generally
concerned anyone might have the ability to impersonate an
elected official.


``It's very easy to do this with e-mail. You can piggyback stuff
all over the place,'' he said.


Prince William County Attorney Sharon Pandak said with computer
literacy going up and use of the Internet increasing, potential
misuse also is increasing.


``Certainly the county, along with firms, corporations and
individuals, are concerned about the misuse of the Internet,''
Pandak said.


One expert said there continues to be an increase in Internet
fraud, including misusing names, credit card scams and get-rich-
quick schemes. With new people logging on every day, con artists
always have a fresh crop of green Internet users to feed on,
Southern Methodist University law professor Janet Argland said.


``People using the Internet for several years wouldn't fall for
this stuff,'' Argland said.


Ebert said the charge of unlawful name change against Ragland
carries a maximum penalty of $500. The second warrant for
computer trespassing carries a maximum sentence of 12 months in
jail and a $2,500 fine. Computer trespassing can be a felony
charge if malicious intent can be proved, but Ebert said he is
pursuing only a misdemeanor charge.


``[These misuses] are very concerning,'' Ebert said. ``The
capabilities with these new communications are discriminating
and damaging to everyone and misleading to the people who read
it.''

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Mr. Ellis:
You apparently think that posting this old newspaper article on me
every time I post to somebody will dissuade them from answering my
posts or taking my ideas seriously. Given how most people are ie.
sheepish cowards, your tactic will be somewhat successful. How
successful remains to be seen.
Michael Ragland
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Before you buy.

David E Michael

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birk...@my-deja.com wrote:

Michael, nobody takes you seriously. Even John Morris thinks you're a
nutter. You've even managed to embarass Steve Wolk. Revisionists laugh at
you. Anti-revisionists wince at you.

You have admitted that you suffer from a serious mental illness:

<begin quote>
From: Micha...@webtv.net (Michael Ragland)
Subject: Re: I'M BORED WITH HEARING ABOUT FUCKING AUSTRIA
Date: 06 Feb 2000 00:00:00 GMT
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dr. michael, my post mentioned waldheim and i do find it interesting
that i haven't seen it acknowledged here..since you never really respond
intelligently to any of my posts, not to mention many others.
furthermore in the tradition of tavish 1 and tavish 2 you make
references to my disability (bipolar) and launch personal attacks on the
basis of it. hey dimwit, they don't use strait jackets anymore,
certainly not in the u.s. and most other countries. they use restraints
and only in hospitals and jails, prisons..there are 2, 4, etc. point
restraints...usually leather. you should be put in 4 point restraints
for an extended period of time and in a seclusion room dr. michael.
<end quote>

You are taking medications for your disorder:

<begin quote>
From: Micha...@webtv.net (Michael Ragland)
Subject: Re: LAUGHTER & SHRINKING BEST REMEDY FOR TWISTED RACISTS
Date: 30 Jan 2000 00:00:00 GMT
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Mr. Michael:

Actually I take lithium, depakoate, and effexor.
<end quote>

Your illness causes you to make bizarre posts that show grossly
inappropriate self revelation, sexual deviance and make it clear that you
have an interest in child pornography:

<begin quote>
From: Micha...@webtv.net (Michael Ragland)
Subject: Re: Romance in alt.revisionism?
Date: 11 Feb 2000 00:00:00 GMT
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Yes, Mr. Michael...I vaguely recall writing that. Many personal services
on the intenet really do constitute a selling arrangement. They are
women from foreign countries such as Russia, Asia, etc. which are
seeking wealthy husbands. Karen was posted on this spam-ridden
alt.personal.ads and it was apparent she was out of place. Most of the
time you don't see homemade photograghs of women on alt.personal.ads. If
I recall Karen's husband was looking for somebody to fuck her or
exchange pics at the least. I merely commented on Karen's attractiveness
and led the man to the best watering hole.
Alt.binaries.personal.pictures is often a great newsgroup; minimal spam
and photos of real people (not models) naked and fucking. And there are
several regulars on there which do trade and in some cases even get
together.
Mr. Michael, I commend you sir for finding this post of mine! This
required some effort. I'm amused my life is of interest to you. Most of
the time I jerk off to sex newsgroup and rarely post to them. But to
make it possibly easier to locate posts of mine, here are some of my
favorite sex newsgroups:

alt.binaries.pictures.senior-citizens
(I love old beaver Mr. Michael between the ages of 40-55) Too much spam
but still worth the load.

alt.discuss.sex.mpegs
(This is a delightful ball churning delight)

alt.binaries.pictures.grotesque
(the most demented newsgroup on the internet. You should like it Mr.
Michael!)

alt.binaries.pictures.scat
(used to browse until the novelty wore off. A big hooray for Becky
Murphy!)

alt.binaries.pictures.bestiality
(several of these newsgroups)

And there are several others I've browsed through. For many years child
pornograghy groups were in the alt.hiarchy and everything and anything
was easily accessible. Finally, about a year and ahalf ago these
newsgroups were finally removed. Perhaps Don Ellis can take credit? The
worse and most prolific poster was "Arch Angel" who on every post had
inscribed "Made by God". Child pornograghy is still on the net but
adults now have to pay for it.

It's all out there Mr. Michael. Has it been awhile since I had some
pussy? Yes, it has been....about a year or so. So I just look at the
fucking world and get my rocks off.

But what does all this have to do with the Holocaust and revisionism?

Michael Ragland
<end quote>

This may be also be seen in your bizarre responses to (apparently) female
posters, which illustrate your tendency to get over excited:


<begin quote>
From: Micha...@webtv.net (Michael Ragland)
Subject: Re: The "Pink" and the "Blue"
Date: 25 Feb 2000 00:00:00 GMT
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Polina, it states in the most "severe cases" often the lips, fingerbeds,
and skin is "cherry red". Is this a natural healthy pinkness to you? Do
you have cherry red finger nails, skin, and lips? You do know the color
cherry red?

Michael Ragland
<end quote>

Or even worse:

<begin quote>
From: Micha...@webtv.net (Michael Ragland)
Subject: Re: Sadistic Mosad??? >> Auschwitz-Birkenau Gas Chambers and
Cre...
Date: 12 Mar 2000 00:00:00 GMT
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Polin, Polina, Pooinka......shit for brains. Why is the letter Dr. Keren
posted fake. Can you provide evidence it is fake? Thank goodness you are
an old hag who will soon cease to exist due to the limited lifespan we
all have. You're time is running out worm. They'll be plenty more to
replace you but you'll be gone. And as a similar gesture of your
suggesting Jews look at their dead, should I ever find your grave and
there is a headstone I will defecate on it so visitors can marvel at
your "life".

Michael Ragland
<end quote>

Add to all that the fact that you have a criminal record and I think that
anyone who takes you seriously should perhaps borrow some of your Effexor!

David

On 5 February 2000 William Daffer wrote: 'total honesty isn't required'.

On 21 November 1998 Scot Murphy wrote: 'Yes, these are newsgroups I lurked
through--though never contributed to'.

On 30 January 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'I must admit I have at times
done revisionist postings to confuse others and help the anti-revisionist
side. How so, well I've stated the Nazis killed millions of Jews but Hitler
didn't know about it! I realize that by acknowledging the Nazis killed
millions of Jew, even if I have demonstrated there is no proof Hitler knew
about the extermination, I have caused some damage to revisionists.'

On 8 February 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'Sometimes telling half-truths,
white lies, etc. is important for self-preservation and to achieve certain
ends.'

I-am-your-president

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:35:59 -0700 (MST), PATHF...@webtv.net (Path)
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>Thank you mr. president. as usally you show your IQ. path
>냶냶냶냶냶냶냶
No problem with paths etc,
I just don't like spam.

P.

ashburn

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birk...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Mr. Ellis:
> You apparently think that posting this old newspaper article on me
> every time I post to somebody will dissuade them from answering my
> posts or taking my ideas seriously.

It only took one post from you to me,
for me to label you as a psycho pussy, loony tune.
The article is just confirmation of what I
already deduced...you're a few long necks
short of a six pack.

Michael Ragland

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Mr. Michael:

I generally don't respond to you but I think education is important and
your in need of it even if my attempt proves vain. I don't suffer from a
mental illness or what is now more commonly referred to in certain
circles as a neurobiological disorder. I have a particular type of
mental illness i.e. manic-depression more commonly referred to now as
bipolar disorder. I'm not sufferring from it because I take medication
for it. If what you mean by "sufferring is becoming psychotic" I'm not
sufferring I can assure you.

By rehashing previous posts of mine you're engaging in the same
technique Mr. Ellis is.
To give due credit, however, you engaged in this type of activity before
Mr. Ellis who've you've helped in a number of ways.

I'm not singled out in this newsgroup as you're well aware. Derogatory
terms are frequently used against Buck Turgidson, John Morris, Sara
Salzmann, etc. What I think of Mr. Morris, Ms. Salzmann, Scott Murphy,
etc. goes no further than the forum of alt.revisionism. I don't care if
Mr. Morris is at the University of Alberta or the University of the
South Pole. I don't care what the names of Sara's children are or who
her neighbors are. I don't care if Mr. Murphy browses and posts to sex
usenet groups. I do care when personal information such as addresses and
phone numbers of others is posted on alt.revisionism.

Michael Ragland


Anti-Nazi

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Dear Nutcase,

As much as I admire Brimstone's postings, I cannot take credit for them.

Don

<birk...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8atjmc$khm$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...


> Mr. Ellis:
> You apparently think that posting this old newspaper article on me
> every time I post to somebody will dissuade them from answering my

Michael Ragland

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You rarely take credit for anything Mr. Ellis.

Michael Ragland


David E Michael

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Michael Ragland wrote:

> Mr. Michael:
>
> I generally don't respond to you

Doesn't matter.

> but I think education is important and
> your in need of it even if my attempt proves vain.

Well, let us see what words of wisdom you have to offer us.

> I don't suffer from a
> mental illness or what is now more commonly referred to in certain
> circles as a neurobiological disorder. I have a particular type of
> mental illness i.e. manic-depression more commonly referred to now as
> bipolar disorder. I'm not sufferring from it because I take medication
> for it. If what you mean by "sufferring is becoming psychotic" I'm not
> sufferring I can assure you.
>

'Suffer from' is an expression that means, inter alia, 'undergo, experience
or be subjected to' (see *Concise Oxford English Dictionary*, 8th edition).

Manic depression is not a good thing to have while visiting alt.revisionism.
During your poorly controlled manic episodes (of which I have observed
several) you tend to post material that discredits yourself and embarrasses
your own side (and everyone who reads your rantings). And since much of the
dialogue that goes on in alt.revisionism is aimed at discrediting it
evidently reduces your effectiveness. As for depression, which in your case
appears to be more effectively controlled, there is a very real danger that
the Effexor will poop out at some point (those antidepressants do), and then
the various attacks made on your self concept in this forum could actually
do a lot of damage to you.

>
> By rehashing previous posts of mine you're engaging in the same
> technique Mr. Ellis is.
> To give due credit, however, you engaged in this type of activity before
> Mr. Ellis who've you've helped in a number of ways.
>

I think Mr Ellis has shown that he is quite capable of doing excellent
research on his own.

>
> I'm not singled out in this newsgroup as you're well aware. Derogatory
> terms are frequently used against Buck Turgidson, John Morris, Sara
> Salzmann, etc. What I think of Mr. Morris, Ms. Salzmann, Scott Murphy,
> etc. goes no further than the forum of alt.revisionism. I don't care if
> Mr. Morris is at the University of Alberta or the University of the
> South Pole.

Nor, evidently, does his supervisor.

> I don't care what the names of Sara's children are or who
> her neighbors are. I don't care if Mr. Murphy browses and posts to sex
> usenet groups. I do care when personal information such as addresses and
> phone numbers of others is posted on alt.revisionism.
>

However, it's the anti-revisionists who started that little game is it not?
Would you have us sit quietly back and suffer in silence without any
response?

>
> Michael Ragland

David


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"David E Michael" <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> However, it's the anti-revisionists who started that little game is it
not?
> Would you have us sit quietly back and suffer in silence without any
> response?
>
I'm impressed by the speed with which you vacated the moral high ground - it
must be instinctive.

SRG

David E Michael

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Stephen R Gould wrote:

I'm impressed that you know where the moral high ground is when, after three
thousand years of debate, the greatest minds in moral philosophy still cannot
agree on the issue.

David

On 5 February 2000 William Daffer wrote: 'total honesty isn't required'.

On 21 November 1998 Scot Murphy wrote: 'Yes, these are newsgroups I lurked
through--though never contributed to'.

On 30 January 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'I must admit I have at times done
revisionist postings to confuse others and help the anti-revisionist side. How
so, well I've stated the Nazis killed millions of Jews but Hitler didn't know
about it! I realize that by acknowledging the Nazis killed millions of Jew,
even if I have demonstrated there is no proof Hitler knew about the
extermination, I have caused some damage to revisionists.'

On 8 February 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'Sometimes telling half-truths, white
lies, etc. is important for self-preservation and to achieve certain ends.'

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"Stephen R Gould" <srg...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:szOA4.8435$mf.6...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

> "David E Michael" <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:38D3A42B...@btinternet.com...
> >
> >
> > However, it's the anti-revisionists who started that little game is it
> not?
> > Would you have us sit quietly back and suffer in silence without any
> > response?
> >
> I'm impressed by the speed with which you vacated the moral high ground -
it
> must be instinctive.
>
> SRG
>
Somehow you've managed to confuse the high ground with a pile of shit.


anti-nazi
Don Ellis

Sara Salzman

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In article <hPRA4.13447$511.3...@tw11.nn.bcandid.com>, "Anti-Nazi"
<postm...@thundernet.org> wrote:

Piles of shit being something Mr. Ellis has personally acquainted himself
with on so many occasions.

Sara

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Calling me a "nazi-boy" is as much of defamation as you can make.
As for FACTS- I have what I need. You can count on it "Fatbroad".

sjw

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Anti-Nazi wrote:
>
> "Stephen R Gould" <srg...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:szOA4.8435$mf.6...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > "David E Michael" <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:38D3A42B...@btinternet.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > However, it's the anti-revisionists who started that little game is it
> > not?
> > > Would you have us sit quietly back and suffer in silence without any
> > > response?
> > >
> > I'm impressed by the speed with which you vacated the moral high ground -
> it
> > must be instinctive.
> >
> > SRG
> >
> Somehow you've managed to confuse the high ground with a pile of shit.
>
> anti-nazi
> Don Ellis


It's obvious to everyone, Donnie poop-eater, that YOU know your shit.
Do you like it cooked or straight from the rectum?

Steve Wolk

Sara Salzman

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In article <38D441D7...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
<david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:

>Sara Salzman wrote:
>
>> In article <hPRA4.13447$511.3...@tw11.nn.bcandid.com>, "Anti-Nazi"

>> <postm...@thundernet.org> wrote:
>>
>> >"Stephen R Gould" <srg...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> >news:szOA4.8435$mf.6...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >> "David E Michael" <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:38D3A42B...@btinternet.com...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > However, it's the anti-revisionists who started that little game is it
>> >> not?
>> >> > Would you have us sit quietly back and suffer in silence without any
>> >> > response?
>> >> >
>> >> I'm impressed by the speed with which you vacated the moral high ground -
>> >it
>> >> must be instinctive.
>> >>
>> >> SRG
>> >>
>> >Somehow you've managed to confuse the high ground with a pile of shit.
>> >
>> >
>> >anti-nazi
>> >Don Ellis
>>

>> Piles of shit being something Mr. Ellis has personally acquainted himself
>> with on so many occasions.
>>
>> Sara
>>
>> --
>> In article <85ir3...@news2.newsguy.com>,
doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com wrote:
>>
>> Calling me a "nazi-boy" is as much of defamation as you can make.
>> As for FACTS- I have what I need. You can count on it "Fatbroad".
>

>Let the reader note that Ms Salzman is a lady who recently spent several posts
>wailing because someone asked her in this newsgroup how her kids were,
and actually
>named the kids. It then emerged that Ms Salzman herself had brought the
names into
>the public domain, Mr McVay had posted them on the Nizkor website, and they'd
>sneakily removed the names after Ms Salzman decided to pretend she had no
idea how
>the names got on the Internet.


Yes, by all means. Let the reader note that:
a) I have never "wailed."
b) "Someone" was a person who had posted more that 40 forgeries of my
name, and accused me of having sex with a dog.
c) I *never* pretended that I didn't know how the names got on the
Internet. I said I had never posted them on USENET.

Dr. Michael continues to lie, and to go to great lengths to justify the
behavior that has been roundly condemned by everyone EXCEPT Messers
Michael, Ellis and Kalvatis.

What a trio.

Sara


>
>David
>
>On 5 February 2000 William Daffer wrote: 'total honesty isn't required'.
>
>On 21 November 1998 Scot Murphy wrote: 'Yes, these are newsgroups I lurked
>through--though never contributed to'.
>
>On 30 January 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'I must admit I have at times done
>revisionist postings to confuse others and help the anti-revisionist
side. How so,
>well I've stated the Nazis killed millions of Jews but Hitler didn't know
about it!
>I realize that by acknowledging the Nazis killed millions of Jew, even
if I have
>demonstrated there is no proof Hitler knew about the extermination, I
have caused
>some damage to revisionists.'
>
>On 8 February 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'Sometimes telling half-truths, white
>lies, etc. is important for self-preservation and to achieve certain ends.'

--

David Gehrig

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Sara Salzman wrote:
>
> In article <hPRA4.13447$511.3...@tw11.nn.bcandid.com>, "Anti-Nazi"
> <postm...@thundernet.org> wrote:
>
> >"Stephen R Gould" <srg...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> >news:szOA4.8435$mf.6...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >> "David E Michael" <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> >> news:38D3A42B...@btinternet.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > However, it's the anti-revisionists who started that little game is it
> >> not?
> >> > Would you have us sit quietly back and suffer in silence without any
> >> > response?
> >> >
> >> I'm impressed by the speed with which you vacated the moral high ground -
> >it
> >> must be instinctive.
> >>
> >> SRG
> >>
> >Somehow you've managed to confuse the high ground with a pile of shit.
> >
> >
> >anti-nazi
> >Don Ellis
>
> Piles of shit being something Mr. Ellis has personally acquainted himself
> with on so many occasions.

And from his perspective they _look_ like the high ground.

@%<

David E Michael

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Sara Salzman wrote:

> Sara
>
> --
> In article <85ir3...@news2.newsguy.com>, doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com wrote:
>
> Calling me a "nazi-boy" is as much of defamation as you can make.
> As for FACTS- I have what I need. You can count on it "Fatbroad".

Let the reader note that Ms Salzman is a lady who recently spent several posts
wailing because someone asked her in this newsgroup how her kids were, and actually
named the kids. It then emerged that Ms Salzman herself had brought the names into
the public domain, Mr McVay had posted them on the Nizkor website, and they'd
sneakily removed the names after Ms Salzman decided to pretend she had no idea how
the names got on the Internet.

David

Anti-Nazi

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"David E Michael" <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:38D441D7...@btinternet.com...

Let's not forget how she managed to piss several system adimns off with her
constant e-mail spamming campaign. Or how she brought up the fact her son is
a retard. Her threats to file lawsuits. Showing her sexual desires of Doc
Tavish by stalking him.(and she wonders why Doc is sick) The only piles of
shit I ever come into contact with are the ones who slip through my
killfiles. That includes you fat bitch.


Don

Alex Vange

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Michael Ragland <Micha...@webtv.net> wrote in article
<22835-38...@storefull-625.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...


> What's your point Pathfinder? Judean and Jew aren't the same thing? What
> are the differences? If so, why do you care?
>

The chosen people are the White people, not the Jews. Jews are
mostly Khazars and Edomites. These are races that adopted the religion of
Judaism and now they falsely claim to be Israelites.

Jews claim to be God's chosen people because they have the Jewish
religion. This proves nothing. People change their religion. The Edomites
and the Khazars became Jewish but they are not Israelites by race. The real
Israelites changed their religion and became Christians.

Christ said in Mathew 15:24 "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of
the house of Israel."

He came for the chosen race and sheep are a symbol for the chosen race, but
this is what He said to the Jews:

John 10:26+27 "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I
said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me"

This means the real Israelites converted to Christianity. This
explains why Europe became known as Christendom.

The Israelites were direct descendants of Adam, who was the first
White man. The Hebrew word "adam" describes a White man. We are not the
color white like milk. We are a light skinned race and the light skin
allows blood, the color red to show in the cheeks. This is the definition
of the word "adam" in Strong's Concordance:

"to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:- be (dyed,
made) red (ruddy)."

This can only be describing a White man. Look at people today and see
which ones have rosy red cheeks. They are light skinned White people. The
Israelites were White.

The Bible says David was ruddy. This is the definition of the Hebrew
word "ruddy":

"reddish (of the hair or of the complexion):-red, ruddy."

David had rosy cheeks (or red hair) and did not look like a typical
Jew.

The Bible says the Israelites would be a blessing to the world. It
is the White race that invented all the great things and advanced
civilization on the earth.

The Bible tells us that the Jews are imposters.

Revelation 2:9 "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and
are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

Many verses tell us that Jews are our enemies. Here is one example:

John 7:1 "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee; for he would not
walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill him."

The Jews have been expelled from every Christian nation in Europe at
one time or another. Many people know that they are enemies of White
civilization. But not everyone knows the reason. It is because they are not
the chosen race and they hate those who really are the chosen race.

Sam Barber

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In article <01bf918c$6cd4d640$d43ae6cf@default>, "Alex
Vange" <va...@i1.net> wrote:

> http://desperatehate.org


>
>> Michael Ragland <Micha...@webtv.net> wrote in article
> <22835-38...@storefull-625.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

>> What's your point Pathfinder? Judean and Jew aren't the
>> same thing? What are the differences? If so, why do you
>> care?
>
> The chosen people are the White people, not the Jews.

Jews are white. They are part of Vange's race. And
vangeltrash is anti-Christian, anti-Jew, and anti-White.
This is because his beliefs come from Hitler an White Trash
hate groups.

-----------------------------------------------------------
In article <01bf8f20$3d432800$823ae6cf@default>, "Alex
Vange" <va...@i1.net> wrote:

> http://ignoranceisus.org

> Kenneth McVay OBC <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in
> article <8ap89d$b5g$1...@news.tht.net>...

>> Hitler murdered 100,000 such people, and the total even
>> included children who had disciplinary problems in
>> school - i.e. ADD/ADHD children, in today's terms.

> No doubt the schools were much better places to be.

>> Nice guy, your hero. Murderer,

> The Bible says that youths who are delinquent and
> disobediant to their parents should be killed.

"...National Socialist Germany was the most Christian
nation that ever existed."

- Alex Vange, in contempt of Christians worldwide, 07 Dec
1997

Alex Vange

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Sam Barber <SamB...@prontomail.com> wrote in article
<8b2s6b$l4b$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...


> In article <01bf918c$6cd4d640$d43ae6cf@default>, "Alex

> Jews are white.

They may be technically white but they are not considered one of us
because they are known enemies of White civilization.


Here are some quotes from a very pro-Jewish book that was first
published in 1925. The book is "Stranger than Fiction" by Lewis Browne.

"But save for such exceptions, the Jews who led or participated in
the heroic efforts to remold the world of the last century, were neither
Reform or Orthodox. Indeed, they were often not professing Jews at all.
"For instance, there was Heinrich Heine and Ludwig Borne, both
unfaltering champions of freedom. And even more conspicuously, there was
Karl Marx, one of the great prophetic geniuses of modern times.
"Jewish historians rarely mention the name of this man, Karl Marx,
though in his life and spirit he was far truer to the mission of Israel
than most of those who were forever talking of it. He was born in Germany
in 1818, and belonged to an old rabbinic family. He was not himself reared
as a Jew, however, but while still a child was baptized a Christian by his
father. Yet the rebel soul of the Jew flamed in him thoughout his days, for
he was always a 'troubler' in Europe."


"Then, of course, there are Ludwig Borne and Heinrich Heine, two men
who by their merciless wit and sarcasm became leaders among the
revolutionary writers. Karl Marx, Ferdinand Lassalle, Johann Jacoby,
Gabriel Riesser, Adolphe Cremieux, Signora Nathan- all these of Jewish
lineage played important roles in the struggle that went thoughout Europe
in this period. Wherever the war for human liberty was being waged, whether
in France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, or Italy, there the Jew was to be
found. It was little wonder that the enemies of social progress, the
monarchists and the Churchmen, came to speak of the whole liberal movement
as nothing but a Jewish plot."


"The Jews had become the money lenders of Europe for quite evident
reasons. The Church sternly forbade all Christians to engage in the
persuit...
"So the Jews became the money lenders of Europe. They developed a
great shrewdness and cunning in the one and only field of opportunity left
open to them. And with their shrewdness and cunning they developed a
certain cruelty and greed. That was natural. The world was cruel to them,
so when the chance was theirs, they were cruel in return..."


They are part of Vange's race. And
> vangeltrash is anti-Christian, anti-Jew, and anti-White.

Here are some quotes from the Bible:


John 7:1 "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not
walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill him."

John 20:19 "the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for
fear of the Jews"

2 Co 11:24 "Of the Jews five times recieved I forty stripes save one.
Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned"

Mathew 27: 20+25 "But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the
multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus...then answered
all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."

Acts 25:24 "ye see this man, about whom all the multitude of the Jews have
dealt with me, both at Jerusalem and also here, crying that he ought not to
live any longer."

John 8:42,44,48 "Jesus said unto them...Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the
beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the
father of it...Then answered the Jews..."

> This is because his beliefs come from Hitler an White Trash
> hate groups.

Here are some quotes from Mein Kampf:

"The man who is not opposed and vilified and slandered in the Jewish
Press is not a staunch German and not a true National Socialist. The best
rule whereby the sincerity of his convictions, his character and strength
of will, can be measured is by the hostility which his name arouses among
the mortal enemies of our people.
"The followers of the movement, and indeed the whole nation, must be
reminded again and again of the fact that, through the medium of his
newspapers, the Jew is always spreading falsehood and that if he tells the
truth on some occasions it is only for the purpose of masking some greater
deceit, which turns the apparent truth into a deliberate falsehood. The Jew
is the Great Master of Lies. Falsehood and duplicity are the weapons with
which he fights.
"Every calumny and falsehood published by the Jews are tokens of
honour which can be worn by our comrades. He whom the decry most is nearest
to our hearts and he whom they mortally hate is our best friend.
"If a comrade of ours opens a Jewish newspaper in the morning and
does not find himself vilified there, then he has spent yesterday to no
account. For if he had achieved something he would be persecuted,
slandered, derided and abused. Those who effectively combat this mortal
enemy of our people, who is at the same time the enemy of all Aryan peoples
and all culture, can only expect to arouse opposition on the part of this
race and become the object of its slanderous attacks.
"When these truths become part of the flesh and blood, as it were, of
our members, then the movement will be impregnable and invincible."

" Then I began to examine my favorite 'World Press', with that fact
before my mind.
"The deeper my soundings went the lesser grew my respect for that
Press which I formerly admired. Its style became still more repellant and
I
was forced to reject its ideas as entirely shallow and superficial. To
claim that in the presentation of facts and views its attitide was
impartial seemed to me to contain more falsehood than truth. The writers
were- Jews.
"Thousands of details that I had scarcely noticed before seemed to
me
now to deserve attention. I began to grasp and understand things which I
had formerly looked at in a different light."

"Thus another weapon beside that of freemasonry would have to be
secured. This was the Press. The Jew exercised all his skill and tenacity
in getting hold of it. By means of the Press he began gradually to control
public life in its entirety."

Sam Barber

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In article <01bf92c1$26c5bda0$0e8b4ad1@default>,


"Alex Vange" <va...@i1.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sam Barber <SamB...@prontomail.com> wrote in article
> <8b2s6b$l4b$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> > In article <01bf918c$6cd4d640$d43ae6cf@default>, "Alex
>
> > Jews are white.
>
> They may be technically white but they are not considered one of us
> because they are known enemies of White civilization.

Jews are human beings and are white. They even tolerate
those ignorant, envious, and hateful souls, like you, who wish the Jews
destroyed.

God is watching you, Vange.

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> Jews are mostly Khazars and Edomites. These are races that adopted the
> religion of Judaism and now they falsely claim to be Israelites.

Bullshit! The Jews are mostly Israelites. THe Khazars did intermarry
into the Ashkenazic Community, but even today the Khazar Blood in Jews
does not superceed 20%.

> Jews claim to be God's chosen people because they have the Jewish
> religion.

The Jews are Israelites that is why they are the "Chosen People".

> The Edomites and the Khazars became Jewish but they are not Israelites
> by race.

The Khazars intermarried with the Jews and there were many Khazars of
sufficient Jewish background, but to this day there are no Jews with
sufficient Khazar ancestry.

> The real Israelites changed their religion and became Christians.

Absolutely not true...very few Christians today are descended from
Israel.

> Christ said in Mathew 15:24 "I am not sent but unto the lost
> sheep of the house of Israel."

Wow, I wish I could quote fictional characters as well as you...

> This means the real Israelites converted to Christianity. This
> explains why Europe became known as Christendom.

No it doesn't. The Bible is not a historical document. The "real
Israelites" are the Jews. There is no tangible evidence that any
European people are descended from the Twelve Tribes...lost or not.


> The Israelites were direct descendants of Adam, who was the
> first White man.

All people are direct descendants of Adam, white or not.

> The Hebrew word "adam" describes a White man.

No, "adam" means RED.

> We are not the color white like milk. We are a light skinned race and
> the light skin allows blood, the color red to show in the cheeks. This
> is the definition of the word "adam" in Strong's Concordance:

Skin color changes by many factors. Adam's skin color is fairly
irrelavant, considering all of his descendants bare an entire rainbow of
pigments

> "to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:- be (dyed,
> made) red (ruddy)."

Obviously written by someone who knows very little Hebrew..

> This can only be describing a White man. Look at people today
> and see which ones have rosy red cheeks. They are light skinned White
> people.

Many Jews today are white...in fact most are. Many have rosy cheeks.
But since ALL PEOPLE are descended from Adam, it doesn't really matter
what Adam was.

> The Israelites were White.

Most Jews still are...but skin-color changes over time. What evidence
is there that this was true? If you consider that just because Adam was
"white" that Israelites are White...then Africans must also be White.


> The Bible says David was ruddy. This is the definition of the
> Hebrew word "ruddy":
> "reddish (of the hair or of the complexion):-red, ruddy."

This proves...what? Hair color changes over time.

> David had rosy cheeks (or red hair) and did not look like a
> typical Jew.

Typical Jew? Now you are making false stereotypes. There are plenty of
Jews who have red hair and rosy cheeks. Why are they rare? Well, by
your means...they must be Royal.

> The Bible says the Israelites would be a blessing to the world.
> It is the White race that invented all the great things and advanced
> civilization on the earth.

Absolutely untrue. Native Americans, Arabs, Africans, Chinese, and
Indians all invented as many (if not more) great things than the White
people.

Among them:
movable type
the concept of zero
the compass
modern-day democracy
industrialization
computers
brain surgery
computers

Need more?

> The Bible tells us that the Jews are imposters.

> Revelation 2:9 "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews,
> and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

The Christian Bible is an anti-Semitic document, this is a very biased
quote.

> Many verses tell us that Jews are our enemies. Here is one
> example:

> John 7:1 "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee; for he would
> not walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill him."

Jesus never walked in Galilee, because he never existed. The Christian
Bible is not historically accurate, and is a hateful document.

> The Jews have been expelled from every Christian nation in Europe at
> one time or another.

They were also expelled from non-Christian nations. Your point?

> Many people know that they are enemies of White civilization.

Those people who know are fools and bigots, who most likely have
Jewish ancestors anyway.

> But not everyone knows the reason. It is because they are not
> the chosen race and they hate those who really are the chosen race.

We, the Jews, aren't the "Chosen Race"...we are the "Chosen People". We
Chose God, God Chose Us. Anyone can become "Chosen", all they have to
do is join the Israelites...the Jews!

You are an idiot.

Alex Vange

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aven...@my-deja.com wrote in article <8cp0kr$2us$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...


>
> > Jews are mostly Khazars and Edomites. These are races that adopted the
> > religion of Judaism and now they falsely claim to be Israelites.
>
> Bullshit! The Jews are mostly Israelites. THe Khazars did intermarry
> into the Ashkenazic Community, but even today the Khazar Blood in Jews
> does not superceed 20%.

How do you know?


>
> > Jews claim to be God's chosen people because they have the Jewish
> > religion.
>
> The Jews are Israelites that is why they are the "Chosen People".

Jews are not Israelites and that is why they are God's enemies. They
were behind Communism:

Lev Trotzky wrote a book called "Stalin: An Appraisal of the Man and
His Influence", Harper Bros., New York and London, 1941, translated by
Charles Malamuth.

In this book he told who the principle members of the October Central
Committee were. This group was the leadership of the Bolshevik Party during
the October Revolution. This is what he wrote:

"In view of the Party's semi-legality the names of persons elected by
secret ballot were not announced at the Congress, with the exception of the
four who had recieved the largest number of votes. Lenin--133 out of a
possible 134, Zinoviev--132, Kamenev--131, Trotzky--131."

Of these four top leaders of the Bolshevik Party the last three were
known Jews. Lenin was thought to be a gentile but he was married to a
Jewess. It was later proven that he was one quarter Jewish, London Jewish
Chronicle April 21, 1995, Lenin: Life and Legacy.

The communists took over Hungary in 1919. Their leader was the Jew,
Bela Kun (Cohen).

The leaders of communist Poland were the Jews Minc, Skryeszewski,
Modzelewski, and Berman.

The leader of communist Roumania was the Jewess Anna Pauker

The leader of communist Chechoslovakia was the Jew Rudolf Slansky.

The leader of communist Yogoslavia was not a Jew. He was Tito,
however he was tutored by a Jewish mentor named Mosa Pljade.

Communism in America was also Jewish.

In 1945 the FBI arrested six individuals for stealing 1700 highly
confidential documents from State Department files. This was the Amerasia
case they were:

Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who came to the U.S. in 1905. He was at one
time the editor of the communist paper "Labor Defense" and the ringleader
of the group arrested.

Andrew Roth, a Jew.

Mark Gayn, a Jew, changed his name from Julius Ginsberg.

John Service, a gentile.

Emmanuel Larsen, nationality unknown

Kate Mitchel, nationality unknown.

In 1949 the Jewess Judith Coplin was caught passing classified
documents from Justice Department files to a Russian agent.

The highest ranking communist brought to trial in the U.S. was Gerhart
Eisler. He was a Jew. He was the secret boss of the Communist Party in the
U.S. and commuted regularly between the U.S. and Russia.

In 1950 there was the "Hollywood Ten" case. Ten leading film writers of
the Hollywood Film Colony were convicted for contempt of Congress and
sentanced to prison. Nine of the ten were Jews. Six of the ten were
communist party members and the other four were flagrantly pro-communist.

One of the top new stories of 1949 was the trial of Eugene Dennis and
the Convicted Eleven. This group comprised the National Secretariat of the
American Communist Party. Six were Jews, two gentiles, three nationality
unknown.

Also in 1949 the German-born atomic scientist Klaus Fuchs was convicted
for passing atomic secrets to the Russians. Acting on information obtained
from Fuchs the FBI arrested nine other members of the ring. All of them
were convicted. Eight of the nine were Jews.

The following quotes are taken directly from documents available from the
U.S. Archives:

State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet
government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."

State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
July 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet
government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type."

From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
beginning, guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type"
type."

A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here
were 384 `commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen,
22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had
come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the
Imperial Government.

David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most
of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care
little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and
they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."
"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
Hebrew, September 10, 1920)> "There is much in the fact of Bolshevism
itself, in the fact that so
many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London
April, 4, 1919) "Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The
American Bulletin, Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935).

"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)

Interestingly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
himself:

"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as
an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).


Here is a quote from Mein Kampf:

"Making an effort to overcome my natural reluctance, I tried to
read articles of this nature published in the Marxist Press; but in doing
so my aversion increased all the more. And then I set about learning
something of the people who wrote and published this mischievous stuff.
From the publisher downwards, all of them were Jews. I recalled to mind
the
names of the public leaders of Marxism, and then I realized that most of
them belonged to the Chosen Race- the Social Democratic representatives in
the Imperial Cabinet as well as the secretaries if the Trades Unions and
the street agitators. Everywhere the same sinister picture presented
itself. I shall never forget the row of names- Austerlitz, David, Adler,
Ellonbogen, and others. One fact became quite evident to me. It was that
this alien race held in its hands the leadership of that Social Democratic
Party with whose minor representatives I had been disputing for months
past."

Solzhenitsyn named in his book the six top administrators of the
Soviet death camps. All six of them were Jews.

>
> > The Edomites and the Khazars became Jewish but they are not Israelites
> > by race.
>
> The Khazars intermarried with the Jews and there were many Khazars of
> sufficient Jewish background, but to this day there are no Jews with
> sufficient Khazar ancestry.
>
> > The real Israelites changed their religion and became Christians.
>
> Absolutely not true...very few Christians today are descended from
> Israel.

The New Testament says that some people who called themselves "Jews"
believed in Christ. Didn't they become Christians? Most of the people in
Europe became Christian too. These were the Israelites who were dispersed
and forgot about their former religion.


>
> > Christ said in Mathew 15:24 "I am not sent but unto the lost
> > sheep of the house of Israel."
>
> Wow, I wish I could quote fictional characters as well as you...

If you don't believe in the Bible than why are you writting about
religion? And who cares what Jews think? I am not writting this to Jews.

>
> > This means the real Israelites converted to Christianity. This
> > explains why Europe became known as Christendom.
>
> No it doesn't. The Bible is not a historical document.

I am writting to those who think it is an historical document. I am not
writting this to you and I don't care what you think.

The "real
> Israelites" are the Jews. There is no tangible evidence that any
> European people are descended from the Twelve Tribes...lost or not.

If God chose a race it must of been the Whites. Whites are superior.


Here are some quotes from Mein Kampf:


"All that we admire in the world to-day, its science, its art, its
technical developements and discoveries, are the products of the creative
activities of a few peoples, and it may be true that their first beginnings
must be attributed to one race. The maintenance of civilization is wholly
dependant on such peoples. Should they perish, all that makes this earth
beautiful will descend with them into the grave."

"All the great civilizations of the past became decadent because the
originally creative race died out, as a result of the contamination on the
blood."

"Every manifestation of human culture, every product of art, science
and technical skill, which we see before our eyes to-day, is almost
exclusively the product of the Aryan creative power. This very fact fully
justifies the conclusion that it was the Aryan alone who founded a superior
type of humanity"

"The foundations of actual life in Japan to-day are not those of the
native Japanese culture., although this characterizes the exterenal
features of the country, which features strike the eye of European
observers on account of their fundamental difference from us; but the real
foundations of contemporary Japanese life are the enormous scientific and
technical achievements of Europe and America, that is to say, of Aryan
peoples."

"A people that fails to preserve the purity of its racial blood
thereby destroys the unity of the soul of the nation in all its
manifestations. A disintegrated natioanal character is the inevitable
consequence of the process of disintegration in the blood. And the change
which takes place in the spiritual and creative faculties of a people is
only an effect of the change that had modified its racial substance."

"For in a world which would be composed of mongrels and negroids all
ideals of human beauty and nobility and all hopes of an idealized future
for our humanity would be lost forever."

"It is especially the cultural creativeness which disappears when a
superior race inter-mixes with an inferior one."

"There may be hundreds of excellent States in this earth, and yet if the
Aryan, who is the creator and custodian of civilization, should disappear,
all culture that is on an adequate level with the spiritual needs of the
superior nations to-day would also disappear."

"We National Socialists know that in holding these views we take up a
revolutionary stand in the world to-day and that we are branded as
revolutionaries. But our views and our conduct will not be determined by
the approbation or disapprobation of our contemporaries, but only by our
duty to follow a truth which we have acknowledged. In doing this we have
reason to believe that posterity will have a clearer insight"

"Thus for the first time a high inner purpose is accredited to the
State. In face of the ridiculous phrase that the State should do no more
than act as the guardian of public order and tranquillity, so that
everybody can peacefully dupe everybody else, it is given a very high
mission indeed to preserve and encourage the highest type of humanity which
a beneficent Creator has bestowed on this earth."




>
> > The Israelites were direct descendants of Adam, who was the
> > first White man.
>
> All people are direct descendants of Adam, white or not.

Can't be. Whites, Blacks, and Asians are different races. They couldn't
all come from Adam and Eve.

>
> > The Hebrew word "adam" describes a White man.
>
> No, "adam" means RED.

What is the Hebrew word number 119 in Strong's Concordance and what
does it mean?

>
> > We are not the color white like milk. We are a light skinned race and
> > the light skin allows blood, the color red to show in the cheeks. This
> > is the definition of the word "adam" in Strong's Concordance:
>
> Skin color changes by many factors. Adam's skin color is fairly
> irrelavant, considering all of his descendants bare an entire rainbow of
> pigments

White people always have White children. They would have to mix with
other races to change that.

>
> > "to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:- be (dyed,
> > made) red (ruddy)."
>
> Obviously written by someone who knows very little Hebrew..

You mean like Strong? Ask any Christian bookstore for the best
concordance and you will get Strong's

>
> > This can only be describing a White man. Look at people today
> > and see which ones have rosy red cheeks. They are light skinned White
> > people.
>
> Many Jews today are white...in fact most are. Many have rosy cheeks.
> But since ALL PEOPLE are descended from Adam, it doesn't really matter
> what Adam was.
>
> > The Israelites were White.
>
> Most Jews still are...but skin-color changes over time. What evidence
> is there that this was true? If you consider that just because Adam was
> "white" that Israelites are White...then Africans must also be White.

Blacks are not from Adam and Eve and besides their skin color they
have curlier hair, flatter noses, and smaller brains, no offense to them
though, a lot of them are nice people.

>
>
> > The Bible says David was ruddy. This is the definition of the
> > Hebrew word "ruddy":
> > "reddish (of the hair or of the complexion):-red, ruddy."
>
> This proves...what? Hair color changes over time.

It proves he was a White man.

>
> > David had rosy cheeks (or red hair) and did not look like a
> > typical Jew.
>
> Typical Jew? Now you are making false stereotypes. There are plenty of
> Jews who have red hair and rosy cheeks. Why are they rare? Well, by
> your means...they must be Royal.

These are probably real Israelites but they have a bad religion and
are enemies because of that.

>
> > The Bible says the Israelites would be a blessing to the world.
> > It is the White race that invented all the great things and advanced
> > civilization on the earth.
>
> Absolutely untrue. Native Americans,


Here are some quotes from "The Oregon Trail" written by Francis
Parkman. It is a true story about his experiences with Indians. He
travelled to Oregon in 1846 and lived with Indians.

"For the most part, a civilized white man can discover very few points
of sympathy between his own nature and that of an Indian. With every
disposition to do justice to their good qualitites, he must be conscious
that an impassable gulf lies between him and his red brethren. Nay, so
alien to himself do they appear, that, after breathing the air of the
prairie for a few months or weeks, he begins to look upon them as a
troublesome and dangerous species of wild beasts."

"Assume , in the presence of Indians, a bold bearing, self-confident yet
vigilant, and you will find them tolerably safe neighbors. But your safety
depends on the respect and fear you are able to inspire."

"Against most of the neighboring tribes they cherish a rancorous hatred...
This fierce spirit awakens their most eager aspirations, and calls forth
their greatest energies. It is chiefly this that saves them from lethargy
and utter abasement. Without its powerful stimulous they would be like the
unwarlike tribes beyond the mountains, scattered among the caves and rocks
like beasts, and living on roots and reptiles. These later have little of
humanity except the form"

"Their religion, superstitions and prejudices were the same handed down
to them from immemorial time. They fought with the weapons that their
fathers fought with, and wore the same garments of skins. They were living
representatives of the "stone age"; for though their lances and arrows were
tipped with iron procured from the traders, they still used the rude stone
mallet of the primeval world."

"The surrounding group of savages offered no very attractive
spectacle to a civilized eye. Some were cracking the huge thigh-bones and
devouring the marrow within; others were cutting away pieces of liver, and
other approved morsels, and swallowing them on the spot with the appetite
of wolves. The faces of most of them, besmeared with blood from ear to ear,
looked grim and horrible enough."

"few beings have more curiosity than Indians in regard to subjects within
the ordinary range of thought. As to other matters, indeed, they seem
utterly indifferent. They will not trouble to inquire into what they cannot
comprehend, but are quite contented to place their hands over their mouths
in token of wonder, and exclaim that it is "great medicine". With this
comprehensive solution, an Indian never is at a loss. He never launches
into speculation and conjecture; his reason moves in its beaten track. His
soul is dormant"

>Arabs,

"Queen Hetop-Heres II, of the Fourth Dynasty, the daughter of Cheops, the
builder of the great pyramid, is shown in the colored bas reliefs of her
tomb to have been a distinct blonde. Her hair is painted a bright yellow
stippled with little red horizontal lines, and her skin is white."

Coon, Carleton Stevens. The Races of Europe. New York City, Macmillan.
1939, p.98

The tomb of the wife of Zoser, the builder of the first pyramid in
Egypt, has a painting of her showing her with reddish-blond hair.

Heyerdahl, Thor, The Ra Expeditions, Garden City, Doubleday, 1971, p.249

The mummy of Rameses II has yellow hair.

Egypt: Land of the Pharaohs, Time-Life books, Alexandria, VA 1992 p.8

"A funerary mask with the attributes of the goddess Isis shows a vivid
blue-green color of eyes.

A General Introduction to the Egyptian Collections in the the British
Museam. London, Harrison and Sons, 1930, p.49

The mummy of the wife of King Tutankhamen has auburn hair.

Carter, Michael, Tutankhamun, The Golden Monarch, N.Y. 1972 p.68

Red-haired mummies were found in the crocodile-caverns of Aboufaida.

Tomkins, Henry George, Remarks on Mr. Flinders Petries Collection of
Ethnographic Types from the Monuments of Egypt, Journal of the
Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland Vol. XVIIII, 1889,
p.216

The mummy of Rameses II has fine silky yellow hair.

Smith, G. Elliot and Dawson, Warren R. Egyptian Mummies, London, George
Allen and Unwin Ltd., 1924 p.99

A blond mummy was found at Kawamil along with many chestnut-colored
ones.

De Lapouge, G. Vacher, L'Aryen, Sa Vie Sociale. Paris, Pichat, 1899, p.26

Amenhotep III's tomb painting shows him as having light red hair.

National Geographic Society, Ancient Egypt, Discovering its Splendors,1978
p.103

An Egyptian scribe named Sakkarah around 2500 B.C. has blue eyes.

Strouhal, Eugen, Life of the Ancient Egyptians, Norman, Oklahoma,
University of Oklahoma Press, 1992, p.53

A common good luck charm was the eye of Horus, the so-called Wedjat
Eye. The eye is always blue, and the word "wedjat" means "blue" in
Egyptian.

Queen Thi is painted as having a rosy complexion, blue eyes and blond
hair.

Hamy, E.T., "Races Humaines de la Vallee du Nil" Bulletin de la Societe
d'Anthropologie de Paris, 1886, p.739

Paintings from the Third Dynasty show native Egyptians with red hair
and blue eyes.

Pijoan, Jose, Historia del Arte Vol III, Madrid, Espasa-Calpe, 1932, plate
XI

The god Nuit was painted as white and blond.

Champollion, H., Le Nil et la Societe Egyptienne, Marseille, Musee Boreby,
1973 p.94

A painting from Iteti's tomb at Saqqara shows a very Nordic-looking man
with blond hair.

Westendorf, Wolfhart, Painting, Sculpture and Architecture of Ancient
Egypt. New York, Harry N. Abrams, Inc. 1968 p.65

Time-Life books recently put out a volume called Rameses II The Great.
It has a good picture of the blond mummy of Rameses II. Another picture can
be found in the book X-Raying the Pharaohs, especially the picture on the
jacket cover. It shows his yellow hair.

A book called Chronicle of the Pharaohs was recently published showing
paintings,scuptures and mummies of 189 pharaohs and leading personalities
of Ancient Egypt. Of these, 102 appear European, 13 look black and the rest
are hard to classify. All nine mummies look European.

The very first pharaoh, Narmer, also known as Menes, looks very
European, The same can be said for Khufu's cousin Hemon, who designed the
Great Pyramid of Giza. A computer-generated reconstruction of the face of
the Sphinx shows a European-looking face.

Egypt: Land of the Pharaohs, Time-Life books Alexandria, VA 1992 p.67

It was once painted sunburned red.

Silverberg, Robert, Before the Sphinx; Early Egypt N.Y., N.Y., T. Nelson
1971 p.168

The Egyptians often painted upper class men as red and upper class
women as white; this because the men became sunburned or tanned while
outside under the burning Egyptian sun.

The information above is part of the information compiled by Phillip
Bonner and was printed in The Barnes Review, 130 Third Street, SE,
Washington, D.C. 20003

> Africans,


Here is part of David Duke's newsletter:

"Entering my old neighborhood of Gentilly Woods in New Orleans had a
profound effect upon me. My once tidy and well-kept neighborhood was now
mostly Black and disheveled. It once sported many homes that seemed to
always have a fresh-painted look. Now they were adorned with peeling paint
an unkempt lawns of weeds and trash. In talking to some old holdouts in the
neighborhood, they told me that the once rare burglary, vandalism and
assault had now become commonplace. The diehard White remnants who remained
had adapted to the changes and found a way to endure each indignity and
violation the best they could. The change had been so gradual that they
were no longer shocked by new instances of crime, just resigned to them.
"The streets had scattered groups of hard-featured Black men standing
around dilapidated cars giving hostile stares to an obviously unknown White
person trespassing in their neighborhood.
"Even though it had been many years since my last visit, my memories
became more vivid as I entered the boundaries of the neighborhood. It
seemed as though I had only been away a few scant hours. Now those memories
crashed against the images of the present causing me to feel off balance.
It was akin to visiting a healthy friend and then after a few short weeks
to see him wasting away with cancer. Afraid that perhaps me recollection
was more idealized than it really was--as soon as I returned home, I
ferreted out my old photographs.
"Those photos clearly portrayed a community even more attractive than
I had remembered. Well-kept homes filled the album, often accented with
blooming flowers and finely trimmed shrubbery, sidewalks edged closely, and
many homes had a fresh paint look. Polished autos dotted the clean streets.
Even more dramatic were the Tom Sawyer and Becky Thatcher-like bright faces
of the children with whom I spent so many happy hours of childhood.
"In my time they were the ruddy faces that filled our streets yards
and parks. They were all gone now, replaced by dark, angry teenagers, with
scarred skin and boomboxes; often with pistols and crack in their pockets,
menacing the streets where children now fear to venture. A picture
repeated, I believe, all over the United States of America. For the current
White residents of Gentilly Woods their story is much like the story fo the
frog that is put in a pot of warm water while the temperature is slowly
increased until the poor creature is boiling and it is too late to save
itself. Is the traditional American already too lulled by the tepid water
to realize what is ahead?
"Amercians can glimpse the future in the inner cities of America. The
political corruption, failing schools, drug problems, crime, the run down
housing and even the trash in the streets- all hold a preview of the coming
attractions of 21st century America. When all of America is of the same
racial proportion as that of the inner cities, there will be no White
infrastructure, and no white cornucopia of tax revenue mitigating the Third
Worldism. Criminals will no longer be held in check by White police,
prosecutors, juries and judges. The shrinking White tax base will be
inadequate to the costs of the criminal justice system and jails needed to
house lawbreakers. The housing, food, medical care, and schooling of those
who cannot provide their own--will no longer be able to live off the
support of the aging and diminishing European population."

The address for this newsletter is David Duke Report, Box 88,
Covington, LA 70434
http://www.duke.org

>Chinese, and

Indo-European: The Mummies of Xinjiang

The Mummies of Xinjiang

In the dry hills of this central Asian province, archeologist have
unearthed more than 100 corpses hat are as much s 4,000 years old.
Astonishingly well preserved - and Caucasian.

One glimpse of the corpses was enough to shock Victor Mair profoundly.
In 1987, Mair, a professor of Chinese at the University of Pennsylvania,
was leading a tour group through a museum in the Chinese city of Urumqi, in
the central Asian province of Xinjiang, when he accidentally strayed into
gloomy, newly opened room. There, under glass, lay the recently
discovered corpses of a family - a man, a woman, and a child of two or
three - each clad in long, dark purple woolen garments and felt boots. Even
today I get chills thinking about that first encounter," says Mair. "The
Chinese said they were 3,000 years old, yet the bodies looked as if they
were buried yesterday."

But the real shock came when Mair looked closely at their faces. In
contrast to most central Asian peoples,these corpses had obvious Caucasian,
or European, features - blond hair, long noses, deep-set eyes, and long
skulls."I was thunderstruck," Mair recalls. "Even though I was supposed
to be leading a tour group, I just couldn't leave that room. The questions
kept nagging at me: Who were these people? How did they get out here at
such an early date?"

The corpses Mair saw that day were just a few of more than 100 dug up by
Chinese archeologists over the past 16 years. All of them are astonishingly

well preserved.They come from four major burial sites scattered between
the arid foothills of the Tian Shan ("Celestial Mountains") in northwest
China and the fringes of the The Taklimakan Desert, some 150 miles due
south. All together, these bodies,dating from about 2000 B.C. to 300 B.C.,
constitute significant addition to the world's catalog of prehistoric
mummies. Unlike the roughly contemporaneous mummies of ancient Egypt, the
Xinjiang mummies were not ruler or nobles; they were not interred in
pyramids or other such monuments,nor were they subjected to deliberate
mummification procedures.

They were preserved merely by being buried in the parched, stony desert,
where daytime temperatures often soar over 100 degrees. In the heat the
bodies were quickly dried, with facial hair, skin, and other tissues
remaining largely intact.

Where exactly did these apparent Caucasians come from? And what were
they doing at remote desert oases in central Asia?

Any answers to these questions will most likely fuel a wide-ranging
debate about the role outsiders played in the rise of Chinese civilization.
As far back as the second century B.C., Chinese texts refer to alien
peoples called the Yuezhi and the Wusun, who lived on China's far western
borders; the texts make it clear that these people were regarded as
troublesome "barbarians." Until recently, scholars have tended to downplay
evidence of any early trade or contact between China and the West,
regarding the development of Chinese civilization as an essentially
homegrown affair scaled off from outside influences; indeed, this view is
still extremely congenial to the present Chinese regime. Yet some
archeologists have begun to argue that these supposed barbarians might have
been responsible for introducing into China such basic items as the wheel
and the first metal objects. Exactly who these central Asian outsiders
might have been, however what language they spoke and where they came from
- is a puzzle. No wonder, then, that scholars see the discovery of the
blond mummies as a sensational new clue.

Although Mair was intrigued by the mummies,the political climate of the
late 1980s (the Tiananmen Square massacre occurred in 1989) guaranteed that
any approach to Chinese archeological authorities would be fraught with
difficulties. So he laid the riddle to one side as he returned to his
main area of study, the translation and analysis of ancient Chinese texts.
Then, in September 1991, the discovery of the 5,000 feet. Photos of the Ice
Man's corpse,dried by the wind and then buried by a glacier, reminded Mair
of the desiccated mummies in the Urumqi museum. And he could't help
wondering whether some of the scientific detective methods now being
applied to the Ice Man, including DNA analysis of the preserved issue,
could help solve the riddle of Xinjiang.

With China having become more receptive to outside scholars, Mair
decided to launch a collaborative nvestigation with Chinese scientists. He
contacted Xinjiang's leading archeologist, Wang Binghua, who had found the
first of the mummies in 1978. Before Wang's work in the region, evidence of
early settlements was virtually unknown. In the late 1970s, though, Wang
had begun a systematic search for ancient cites in the northeast corner of
Xinjiang Province. "He knew that ancient peoples would have located their
settlements long a stream to have a reliable source of water," says Mair.
As he followed one such stream from its source in the Tian Shan,says Mair,
"Wang would ask the local inhabitants whether hey had ever found any broken
bowls, wooden artifacts, or the like. Finally one older man told him of a
place locals called Qizilchoqa, or ~Red Hillock.'"

It was here that the first mummies were unearthed. This was also the first
site visited last summer by Mair and his collaborator, Paolo Francalacci,
an anthropological geneticist at the University of Sassari in Italy.
Reaching Qizilchoqa involved a long, arduous drive east from Urumqi. For a
day and a half Mair, Wang, and their colleagues bounced inside
four-wheel-drive Land Cruisers cross rock-strewn dirt roads from one oasis
to the next. Part of their journey eastward followed China's Silk Road, the
ancient trade route that evolved in the second century B.C. and connected
China to the West. Finally they reached the village of Wupu; goats
scattered as the vehicles edged their way through the back streets. Next to
the village as a broad green ravine, and after the researches had
maneuvered their way into it, the sandy slope of the Red Hillock suddenly
became visible. "It wasn't much to look at," Mair recalls, "about 20 acres
on a gentle hill ringed by barbed wire. There's a brick work shed where
tools are stored and the visiting archeologists sleep. But you could spot
the shallow despressions in the sand where the graves were." As Mair
watched, Wang's team began digging up several previously excavated corpses
that had been reburied for lack of adequate storage facilities at the
Urumqi museum. Mair didn't have to, wait long, just a couple of feet below
the sand, the archeologists came across rush matting and wooden logs
covering a burial dumber chamber with mud bricks. Mair was surprised by the
appearance of the logs: they looked as if they had just been chopped down.
Then the first mummy emerged from the roughly six-foot-deep pit. For Mair
the moment was nearly as charged with emotion as that first encounter in
the museum. "When you're standing right next to these bodies, as well
preserved as they are, you feel a sense of personal closeness to them," he
says. "It's almost supernatural - you feel that somehow life persists even
though you're looking at a dried-out corpse."

Mair and Francalacci spent the day examining the corpses, with Francalacci
taking tissue samples to identify the genetic origins of the corpses. "He
>took small samples from unexposed areas of the bodies,' says Mair,
"usually from the inner thighs or underarms. We also took a few bones,
usually pieces of rib that were easy to break off, since bone tends to
preserve the DNA better than muscle tissue or skin." Francalacci wore a
face mask and rubber gloves to avoid contaminating the samples with any
skin flakes that would contain his own DNA. The samples were placed in
collection jars, sealed, and labeled; Mair made a photographic and written
record of the collection.

So far 113 graves have been excavated at Qizilchoqa; probably an equal
number remain to be explored. Based on carbon-14 dating by the Chinese
and on the style of painted pots found with the corpses, all the mummies
here appear to date to around 1200 B.C. Most were found on their backs with
their knees drawn up - a position that allowed the bodies to fit into the
small burial chambers. They are fully clothed in brightly colored woolen
fabrics, felt and leather boots, and sometimes leather coats. The men
generally have light brown or blond hair, while the women have long braids;
one girl has blue tattoo marks on her wrist. Besides pottery, resting
alongside them are simple items from everyday life: combs made of wood,
needles of bone, spindle whorls for spinning thread, hooks, bells, loaves
of bread, and other food offerings. The artifacts provide further proof
that these were not the burial sites of the wealthy: had the graves been
those of aristocrats, laden with precious bronzes, they probably would have
been robbed long ago.

However, Wang and his colleagues have found some strange if not
aristocratic, objects in the course of their investigations in Xinjiang.
At a site near the town of Subashi 310 miles west of Qizilchoqa, that dates
to about the fifth century B.C., they unearthed a woman wearing a
two-foot-long black felt peaked hat with a flat brim. Though modern
Westeners may find it tempting to identify the hat as the headgear of a
witch, there is evidence that pointed hats were widely worn by both women
and men in some central Asian tribes. For instance, around 520 B.C., the
Persian king Darius recorded a victory over the "Sakas of the pointed
hats"; also, in 1970 in Kazakhstan, just over China's western border, the
grave of a man from around the same period yielded a two-foot-tall conical
hat studded with magnificent gold-leaf decorations. The Subashi woman's
formidable headgear, then, might be an ethnic badge or a symbol of prestage
and influence.

Subashi lies a good distance from Qizilchoqa, and its site is at least
seven centuries younger, yet the bodies and their clothing are strikingly
similar. In addition to the "witch's hat," clothing found there included
fur coats and leather mittens; the Subashi women also held bags containing
small knives and herbs, probably for use as medicines. A typical Subashi
man, said by the Chinese team to be at least 55 years old, was found lying
next to the corpse of a woman in a shallow burial chamber. He wore a
sheepskin coat, felt hat, and long sheepskin boots fastened at the crotch
with a belt.

Another Subashi man has traces of a surgical operation on his neck; the
incision is sewn up with sutures made of horsehair. Mair was particularly
struck by this discovery because he knew of a Chinese text from the
third century A.D. describing the life of Huatuo, a doctor whose
exceptional skills were said to have included the extraction and repair of
diseased organs. The text also claims that before surgery, patients drank a
mixture of wine and an anesthetizing powder that was possibly derived from
opium. Huatuo's story is all the more remarkable in that the notion of
surgery was heretical to ancient Chinese medical tradition, which taught
that good health depended on the balance and flow of natural forces
throughout the body Mair wonders if the Huatuo legend might relate to some
lost Asian medical tradition practiced by the Xinjiang people. One clue is
that the name Huatuo is uncommon in China and seems close to the Sanskrit
word for medicine.

THE WOOLEN GARMENTS WORN BY THE MUMMIES MAY provide some clue to where
exactly the Xinjiang people came from. A sample of cloth brought back by
Mair was examined by University of Pennsylvania anthropologist Irene
Good, a specialist in early Eurasian textiles. Examining the cloth under a
low-power microsecope, she saw that the material was not, strictly
speaking, wool at all. Wool comes from the undercoat of a sheep; this
material appeared to have been spun from the coarse outer hair (called
kemp) of a sheep or goat. Despite the crudeness of the fibers, they were
carefully dyed green, blue, and brown to make a plaid design. They were
also woven in a diagonal twill pattern that indicated the use of a rather
sophisticated loom. The overall technique, Good believes, is
"characteristically European" and, she says, the textile is "the
easternmost known example of this kind of weaving technique." Similar
textile fragments, she notes, have been recovered from
roughly the same time period at sites in Germany, Austria, and
Scandinavia.

Another hint of outside connections struck Mair as he roamed across
Qizilchoqa. Crossing an unexcavated grave, he stumbled upon an exposed
piece of wood, which he quickly realized had once belonged to a wagon
wheel. The wheel was made in a simple but distinctive way, by doweling
together three carved, parallel wooden planks. This style of wheel is
significant: wagons with nearly identical wheels are known from the grassy
plains of the Ukraine from as far back as 3000 B.C.

Most researchers now think the birthplace of horsedrawn vehicles and horse
riding was in the steppes east and west of the Urals rather than in China
or the Near East. As archeologist David Anthony and his colleagues have
shown through microscopic study of ancient horse teeth, horses were already
being harnessed in the Ukraine 6,000 years ago. The Ukraine horses, Anthony
found, show a particular kind of tooth wear identical to that of modern
horses that "fight the bit." The world's earliest high-status vehicles also
seem to have originated in the steppes; recent discoveries of wooden
chariots with elaborate spoked wheels were reported by Anthony to date to
around 2000 B.C. Chariots do not seem to have appeared in China until some
800 years later.

A number of artifacts recovered from the Xinjiang burials provide important

evidence for early horse riding. Qizilchoqa yielded a wooden bit and
leather reins, a horse whip consisting of a single strip of leather
attached to a wooden handle, and a wooden cheekpiece with leather straps.
This last object was decorated with an image of the sun that was probably
religious in nature and that was also found tattooed on some of the
mummies. And at Subashi, archeologists discovered a padded leather saddle
of exquisite workrmanship.

Could the Xinjiang people have belonged to a mobile, horse-riding culture
that spread from the plains of eastern Europe? Does this explain their
European appearance? If so, could they have been speaking an ancient
forerunner of modern European, Indian, and Iranian languages? Though the
idea is highly speculative, a number of archeologists and linguists
think the spread of Indo-European languages may be linked to the gradual
spread of horse-riding and horse-drawn-vehicle technology from its origins
in Europe 6,000 years ago. The Xinjiang mummies may help confirm these
speculations.

Intriguingly, evidence of a long-extinct language belonging to the
Indo-European family does exist m central Asia. This language, known as
Tocharian, is recorded in manuscripts from the eighth century A.D., and
solid evidence for its existence can be found as far back as the third
century. Tocharian inscriptions from this period are also found painted
in caves in the foothills of the mountain west of Urumqi, along with
paintings of swash-buckling knights wielding long swords. The knights are
depicted with full red beards and European faces. Could the Xinjiang people
have been their ancestors, speaking an early version of Tocharian? "My
guess is that they would have been speaking some form of Indo-European,"
comments Don Ringe, a historical linguist at the University of
Pennsylvania, "but whether it was an early form of Tocharian or some other
branch of the family, such as Indo-Iranian, we may never know for sure."

Perhaps a highly distinctive language would help explain why the Xinjiang
people's distinctive appearance and culture persisted over so many
centuries. Eventually they might well have assimilated with the local
population - the major ethnic group in the area today, the Uygur,
includes people with unusually fair hair and complexions. That possibility
will soon be investigated when Mair, Francalacci, and their Chinese
colleagues compare DNA from ancient mummy tissue with blood and hair
samples from local people. Besides the riddle of their identity, there is
also the question of what these fair-haired people were doing in a remote
desert oasis. Probably never wealthy enough to own chariots, they
nevertheless had wagons and well-tailored clothes. Were they mere goat and
sheep farmers? Or did they profit from or even control prehistoric trade
along the route that later became the Silk Road? If so, they probably
helped spread the first wheels and certain metalworking skills into China.

"Ultimately I think our project may end up having tremendous implications
for the origins of Chinese civilization," Mair reflects. "For all their
incredible inventiveness, the ancient Chinese weren't cut off from the
rest of the world, and influences didn't just flow one way, from China
westward."

Unfortunately, economics dictates that answers will be slow in coming.
The Chinese have the money to spare for this work, and Wang and his team
continue to operate on a shoestring. Currently most of the corpses and
artifacts are stored in a damp, crowded basement room at the Institute
of Archeology in Urumqi, in conditions that threaten their continued
preservation. If Mair's plans for a museum can be financed with Western
help, perhaps the mummies can be moved. Then, finally, they'll receive
the study and attention that will ultimately unlock their secrets.


> Indians all invented as many (if not more) great things than the White
> people.

Whites invented cars, airplanes, computers, refridgerators etc. etc. etc.


>
> Among them:
> movable type
> the concept of zero
> the compass
> modern-day democracy
> industrialization
> computers
> brain surgery
> computers
>
> Need more?

Not factual. This is why the White nations and Japan are the first
world. The Black nations are the third world. Arabs and Chinese are
somewhere in the middle, or the second world, just as racialists would
predict.


>
> > The Bible tells us that the Jews are imposters.
>
> > Revelation 2:9 "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews,
> > and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."
>
> The Christian Bible is an anti-Semitic document, this is a very biased
> quote.

I am only writing to those who believe in it. I am not argueing with
Jews. I only want to get rid of Jews.
Read my lips, Heil Hitler.

>
> > Many verses tell us that Jews are our enemies. Here is one
> > example:
> > John 7:1 "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee; for he would
> > not walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill him."
>
> Jesus never walked in Galilee, because he never existed. The Christian
> Bible is not historically accurate, and is a hateful document.
>
> > The Jews have been expelled from every Christian nation in Europe at
> > one time or another.
>
> They were also expelled from non-Christian nations. Your point?

It was good that they were expelled. We should do it again.

>
> > Many people know that they are enemies of White civilization.
>
> Those people who know are fools and bigots, who most likely have
> Jewish ancestors anyway.
>
> > But not everyone knows the reason. It is because they are not
> > the chosen race and they hate those who really are the chosen race.
>
> We, the Jews, aren't the "Chosen Race"...we are the "Chosen People". We
> Chose God, God Chose Us. Anyone can become "Chosen", all they have to
> do is join the Israelites...the Jews!
>
> You are an idiot.
>

That would be joining the devil.

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