Re: Racist Holohoaxing Again Tonight
Kenneth McVay OBC
In article <1118169746.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
Leo Lennox <Leo_L...@inbox.com> wrote:
>The following day I turned on CBC radio to hear the evening news and
>was met by more Holohoaxing propaganda.
>
>The story was about a Jew trying to get posession of some art in a
>British gallery that he claimed his family had lost during WWII. You
>guessed it ... not too many sentences into the "news", CBC is uttering
>the well-worn propaganda phrases - "Nazi looted art" - "terrible
>suffering of the Jewish people - cattle cars - the Selection - Jews
>perishing at Auschwitz.
Do you believe that stolen goods should not be returned to their rightful owners, or only
in cases where the owners are Jewish?
>Thus two days in a row, CBC Jews were inserting Holohoax dogma into
>their main new programs. Little wonder then that otherwise rational
>people will believe what should be the unbelievable. Ask these people
>why they believe such absurdities and they are lost for words. The real
Which "absurdities," exactly?
--
"...the antisemite is immune to refutation from either facts or logic.
An antisemite has chosen to live in hatred, without regard to either
facts or logic." (Matas, David. Bloody Speech, p. 37)
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
Kurt Knoll
never did have did is why we call it holowhoax.
Kurt Knoll.
=
"Kenneth McVay OBC" <kmc...@shell.vex.net> wrote in message
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Joe Bruno
Kurt Knoll wrote:
> Lets face it mister fuckup jews do claim a lot of thing even things they
> never did have did is why we call it holowhoax.
>
> Kurt Knoll.
I've never heard a Jew born after WWI claim that he fought in it.
ROTFL!!!!
Szaki
>
> In article <1118169746.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> Leo Lennox <Leo_L...@inbox.com> wrote:
>>The following day I turned on CBC radio to hear the evening news and
>>was met by more Holohoaxing propaganda.
>>
>>The story was about a Jew trying to get posession of some art in a
>>British gallery that he claimed his family had lost during WWII. You
>>guessed it ... not too many sentences into the "news", CBC is uttering
>>the well-worn propaganda phrases - "Nazi looted art" - "terrible
>>suffering of the Jewish people - cattle cars - the Selection - Jews
>>perishing at Auschwitz.
>
> Do you believe that stolen goods should not be returned to their rightful
> owners, or only
> in cases where the owners are Jewish?
* Jews stole it first, so it don't belong to them, moron McVay!
But the man complaining about the propaganda purpose of this pice of trash
Jewish news, not about the Jewish claim.
>>Thus two days in a row, CBC Jews were inserting Holohoax dogma into
>>their main new programs. Little wonder then that otherwise rational
>>people will believe what should be the unbelievable. Ask these people
>>why they believe such absurdities and they are lost for words. The real
>
> Which "absurdities," exactly?
*Jewish dogma and propaganda McVay, lies and stories blown out of
proportion , what Jewish media feeding to average, innocent citizens every
thay.
JS
Boed...@isp.com
Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> [Followups set to alt.revisionism]
>
> In article <1118169746.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> Leo Lennox <Leo_L...@inbox.com> wrote:
> >The following day I turned on CBC radio to hear the evening news and
> >was met by more Holohoaxing propaganda.
> >
> >The story was about a Jew trying to get posession of some art in a
> >British gallery that he claimed his family had lost during WWII. You
> >guessed it ... not too many sentences into the "news", CBC is uttering
> >the well-worn propaganda phrases - "Nazi looted art" - "terrible
> >suffering of the Jewish people - cattle cars - the Selection - Jews
> >perishing at Auschwitz.
>
> Do you believe that stolen goods should not be returned to their rightful owners, or only
> in cases where the owners are Jewish?
The problem is that is *all* belonged to some jew or another.
One never reads that some gypo or Pole
is claiming all these masterpieces. Whee on earth
did all these jews get all that money in order to buy
up the worlds wprks of art!!!
>
> >Thus two days in a row, CBC Jews were inserting Holohoax dogma into
> >their main new programs. Little wonder then that otherwise rational
> >people will believe what should be the unbelievable. Ask these people
> >why they believe such absurdities and they are lost for words. The real
>
> Which "absurdities," exactly?
>
> --
> "...the antisemite is immune to refutation from either facts or logic.
> An antisemite has chosen to live in hatred, without regard to either
> facts or logic." (Matas, David. Bloody Speech, p.
How much is the tribe paying you to pimp for them?
Kurt Knoll
holocaust survivors.
Kurt Knoll.
"Joe Bruno" <br...@indystart.com> wrote in message
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Ben Cramer
>
> In article <1118169746.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> Leo Lennox <Leo_L...@inbox.com> wrote:
>>The following day I turned on CBC radio to hear the evening news and
>>was met by more Holohoaxing propaganda.
>>
>>The story was about a Jew trying to get posession of some art in a
>>British gallery that he claimed his family had lost during WWII. You
>>guessed it ... not too many sentences into the "news", CBC is uttering
>>the well-worn propaganda phrases - "Nazi looted art" - "terrible
>>suffering of the Jewish people - cattle cars - the Selection - Jews
>>perishing at Auschwitz.
>
> Do you believe that stolen goods should not be returned to their rightful
> owners, or only
> in cases where the owners are Jewish?
You'd be more likely than anyone to know the answer to that question mcfey.
After all, you're the car thief.
Ben Cramer
"Kurt Knoll" <ram...@monarch.net> wrote in message
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> No wonder most of them did fuck of to America where they claim now to be
> holocaust survivors.
>
And the numbers of "survivors" increases each day. A miracle already
.
Kenneth McVay OBC
Szaki <sza...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC" <kmc...@shell.vex.net> wrote in message
>news:11ac6lg...@corp.supernews.com...
>> [Followups set to alt.revisionism]
>>
>> In article <1118169746.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
>> Leo Lennox <Leo_L...@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>The following day I turned on CBC radio to hear the evening news and
>>>was met by more Holohoaxing propaganda.
>>>
>>>The story was about a Jew trying to get posession of some art in a
>>>British gallery that he claimed his family had lost during WWII. You
>>>guessed it ... not too many sentences into the "news", CBC is uttering
>>>the well-worn propaganda phrases - "Nazi looted art" - "terrible
>>>suffering of the Jewish people - cattle cars - the Selection - Jews
>>>perishing at Auschwitz.
>>
>> Do you believe that stolen goods should not be returned to their rightful
>> owners, or only
>> in cases where the owners are Jewish?
>
>* Jews stole it first, so it don't belong to them, moron McVay!
Please document your claim that the Jewish family in question stole the art sought before
it was stolen from them.
I'll wait, Bubba.
>But the man complaining about the propaganda purpose of this pice of trash
>Jewish news, not about the Jewish claim.
"Jewish" news? Is that news about Jews, Jewish-owned media news, or just your moronic
racist drivel?
Kenneth McVay OBC
Boed...@isp.com <Boed...@isp.com> wrote:
>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>> [Followups set to alt.revisionism]
>>
>> In article <1118169746.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
>> Leo Lennox <Leo_L...@inbox.com> wrote:
>> >The following day I turned on CBC radio to hear the evening news and
>> >was met by more Holohoaxing propaganda.
>> >
>> >The story was about a Jew trying to get posession of some art in a
>> >British gallery that he claimed his family had lost during WWII. You
>> >guessed it ... not too many sentences into the "news", CBC is uttering
>> >the well-worn propaganda phrases - "Nazi looted art" - "terrible
>> >suffering of the Jewish people - cattle cars - the Selection - Jews
>> >perishing at Auschwitz.
>>
>> Do you believe that stolen goods should not be returned to their rightful owners, or only
>> in cases where the owners are Jewish?
>
> The problem is that is *all* belonged to some jew or another.
Document this claim. I'll wait.
> One never reads that some gypo or Pole
> is claiming all these masterpieces. Whee on earth
One doesn't? Are you going to claim it doesn't happen?
Still a moron, after all these years, eh, Bodie?
PS - the "tribe" pays me 6 million dollars a week.
--
"...the antisemite is immune to refutation from either facts or logic.
An antisemite has chosen to live in hatred, without regard to either
Szaki
> In article <66idnY4wXMe...@comcast.com>,
> Szaki <sza...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>"Kenneth McVay OBC" <kmc...@shell.vex.net> wrote in message
>>news:11ac6lg...@corp.supernews.com...
>>> [Followups set to alt.revisionism]
>>>
>>> In article <1118169746.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Leo Lennox <Leo_L...@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>>The following day I turned on CBC radio to hear the evening news and
>>>>was met by more Holohoaxing propaganda.
>>>>
>>>>The story was about a Jew trying to get posession of some art in a
>>>>British gallery that he claimed his family had lost during WWII. You
>>>>guessed it ... not too many sentences into the "news", CBC is uttering
>>>>the well-worn propaganda phrases - "Nazi looted art" - "terrible
>>>>suffering of the Jewish people - cattle cars - the Selection - Jews
>>>>perishing at Auschwitz.
>>>
>>> Do you believe that stolen goods should not be returned to their
>>> rightful
>>> owners, or only
>>> in cases where the owners are Jewish?
>>
>>* Jews stole it first, so it don't belong to them, moron McVay!
>
> Please document your claim that the Jewish family in question stole the
> art sought before
> it was stolen from them.
>
> I'll wait, Bubba.
*** How about, you prove they owned it. Any one can claim, any thing, moron!
>
>>But the man complaining about the propaganda purpose of this pice of trash
>>Jewish news, not about the Jewish claim.
>
> "Jewish" news? Is that news about Jews, Jewish-owned media news, or just
> your moronic
> racist drivel?
***I never hear any thing about Hungary in the news and there are over 10
million live in Hungary and another 10 million lives outside the borders.
Many are very successful financially or otherwise.
But the news media is full of stories, about these few million Jews living
in the world. Make it look like, world wouldn't spin with out them.
I never been against them, I got older and I'm getting tired of hearing
about them all the time.
Who gives a *uck!
JS
Kenneth McVay OBC
Szaki <sza...@comcast.net> wrote:
[I wrote...]
" Do you believe that stolen goods should not be returned to their
rightful owners, or only in cases where the owners are Jewish?"
[dimwit vomited...]
"* Jews stole it first, so it don't belong to them, moron McVay!"
[I called him on it..]
" Please document your claim that the Jewish family in question stole the
art sought before it was stolen from them."
[Dimwit ran away..]
"*** How about, you prove they owned it. Any one can claim, any thing, moron!"
Evasion noted. You cannot support your racist claim. Thanks for clearing that up.
[Dimwit lied...]
"But the man complaining about the propaganda purpose of this pice of trash
Jewish news, not about the Jewish claim."
[I responded...]
>> "Jewish" news? Is that news about Jews, Jewish-owned media news, or just
>> your moronic racist drivel?
[Dimwit ran away...]
>***I never hear any thing about Hungary in the news and there are over 10
>million live in Hungary and another 10 million lives outside the borders.
>Many are very successful financially or otherwise.
>But the news media is full of stories, about these few million Jews living
>in the world. Make it look like, world wouldn't spin with out them.
> I never been against them, I got older and I'm getting tired of hearing
>about them all the time.
>Who gives a *uck!
In short, you can't support your claim here, either.
All mouth, no facts. Business as usual, eh, dimwit?
http://nizkor.org/hweb/imt/nca/nca-01/nca-01-14-plunder-01.html
On 29 January 1940 Hitler issued a decree in the following terms:
"The 'Hohe Schule' is supposed to become the center for national-socialistic ideological
and educational research. It will be established after the conclusion of the war. I order
that the already initiated preparations be continued by Reichsleiter Alfred Rosenberg,
especially in the way of research and the setting up of the library.
"All sections of Party and State are requested to cooperate with him in this task."
(136-PS)
What began as a project for the establishment of a research library developed into a
project for the seizure of cultural treasures. (141-PS)
On 1 March 1942 Hitler issued a decree in which he asserted that Jews, Freemasons, and
affiliated opponents of National Socialism are the authors of the War against the Reich,
and that a systematic spiritual battle against them is a military necessity. The decree
thereupon authorized Rosenberg to search libraries, archives, lodges, and cultural
establishments, to seize relevant material from these establishments as well as cultural
treasures which were the property or in the possession of Jews, which were ownerless, or
the origin of which could not be clearly established. The decree directed the cooperation
of the Wehrmacht High Command and indicated that Rosenberg's activities in the West were
to be conducted in his capacity as Reichsleiter and in the East in his capacity as
Reichsminister. (149-PS)
This decree was implemented by a letter from Dr. Lammers, Reichsminister and Chief of
Chancellory, directed to the "Highest Reich Authorities and the Services directly
subordinate to the Fuehrer." The letter reiterated the terms of the Hitler decree and
requested support of the Reich authorities in Rosenberg's fulfillment of his task.
(154-PS)
B. Scope of Activities.
Rosenberg's activities in fulfillment of the above decrees were extended, in the West, to
France (138-PS), Belgium (139- PS), the Netherlands (140-PS), Luxembourg (137-PS), and
Norway and Denmark. (159-PS)
In the East activities were carried out throughout the Occupied Eastern Territories
(153-PS), including the Baltic states and the Ukraine (151-PS), as well as in Hungary
(158- PS), Greece (171-PS), and Yugoslavia. (071-PS)
The function of the Rosenberg Organization included not only the seizure of books and
scientific materials specified in the original Hitler Order (171-PS), but the seizure of
private art treasures (1015-B-PS), public art treasures (055-PS), and household
furnishings. (L-188)
C. Cooperating Agencies.
On 5 July 1940 Keitel (Chief of the OKW) informed the Chief of the Army High Command
(OKH) and the Chief of the Armed Forces in The Netherlands that the Fuehrer had ordered
that Rosenberg's suggestion be followed, to the effect that certain libraries and
archives, chancelleries of high church authorities, and lodges be searched for documents
valuable to Germany or indicating political maneuvers directed against Germany, and that
such material be seized. The letter further stated that Hitler had ordered the support of
the Gestapo and that the Chief of the Sipo (Security Police), SS-Gruppenfuehrer Heydrich,
had been informed and would communicate with the competent military commanders. (137-PS)
Keitel issued a further order to the Chief of the OKH, France, on 17 September 1940,
providing:
"The ownership status before the war in France, prior to the declaration of war on 1
September 1939, shall be the criterion.
"Ownership transfers to the French state or similar transfers completed after this date
are irrelevant and legally invalid (for example, Polish and Slovak libraries in Paris,
possessions of the Palais Rothschild or other ownerless Jewish possessions). Reservations
regarding search, seizure and transportation to Germany on the basis of the above reasons
will not be recognized.
"Reichsleiter Rosenberg and/or his deputy Reichshauptstellenleiter Ebert has received
clear instructions from the Fuehrer personally governing the right of seizure; he is
entitled to transport to Germany cultural goods which appear valuable to him and to
safeguard them there. The Fuehrer has reserved for himself the decision as to their use.
"It is requested that the services in question be informed correspondingly." (138-PS)
The above order was extended to Belgium on 10 October 1940
(139-PS), and an identical order was issued by the Chief of the OKH to the Armed Forces
Commander in The Netherlands on 17 September 1940. (140-PS)
Hitler's order of 1 March 1942 stated:
"Directions for carrying out this order in cooperation with the Wehrmacht will be issued
by the Chief of the Wehrmacht High Command in agreement with Reichsleiter Rosenberg."
(149-PS)
Dr. Lammers' order of 5 July 1942 declared that the Chief of the OKH, in agreement with
Keitel, would issue regulations governing the cooperation with the Wehrmacht and the
Police Services for assistance in making seizures. (154-PS)
An official of the Rosenberg Ministry for the Occupied East declared the Wehrmacht to be
one of the primary agencies engaged in removing art treasures from Russia. (1107-PS)
Cooperation of the SS and the SD was indicated by Rosenberg in a letter to Bormann on 23
April 1941:
"*** It is understood that the confiscations are not executed by the regional authorities
but that this is conducted by the Security Service as well as by the police. *** it has
been communicated to me in writing by a Gauleiter, that the chief office of the Reich
Security (RSHA) of the SS has claimed the following from the library of a monastery: **."
(071-PS)
The above letter also points out that there has been
"*** close cooperation on the widest scale with the Security Service and the military
commanders. ***
"This affair (Operations in Salonika) has already been executed on our side with the
Security Service (SD) in the most loyal fashion." (071-PS)
The National Socialist Party financed the operations of the Einsatzstab Rosenberg.
(090-PS; 145-PS)
In a letter to Goering, 18 June 1942, Rosenberg voiced the opinion that all art objects
and other confiscated items should belong to the National Socialist Party because the
Party has been bearing the brunt of the battle against the persons and forces from whom
this property was taken. (1118- PS)
Szaki
> In article <2LednS01hM2...@comcast.com>,
> Szaki <sza...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> [I wrote...]
>
> " Do you believe that stolen goods should not be returned to their
> rightful owners, or only in cases where the owners are Jewish?"
>
> [dimwit vomited...]
>
> "* Jews stole it first, so it don't belong to them, moron McVay!"
>
> [I called him on it..]
>
> " Please document your claim that the Jewish family in question stole the
> art sought before it was stolen from them."
>
> [Dimwit ran away..]
>
> "*** How about, you prove they owned it. Any one can claim, any thing,
> moron!"
>
> Evasion noted. You cannot support your racist claim. Thanks for clearing
> that up.
*** Well, you can't prove it either, you just have a big mouth, Jew boy Ken.
***That's not a racist claim, they need proof for ownership. Rich Jews stole
lot of things with dishonest, stolen money.
Any way, the British museum is the right place to keep such a thing, so
every one can enjoy it.
> [Dimwit lied...]
>
> "But the man complaining about the propaganda purpose of this pice of
> trash
> Jewish news, not about the Jewish claim."
>
> [I responded...]
>
>>> "Jewish" news? Is that news about Jews, Jewish-owned media news, or just
>>> your moronic racist drivel?
>
> [Dimwit ran away...]
>
>>***I never hear any thing about Hungary in the news and there are over 10
>>million live in Hungary and another 10 million lives outside the borders.
>>Many are very successful financially or otherwise.
>>But the news media is full of stories, about these few million Jews living
>>in the world. Make it look like, world wouldn't spin with out them.
>> I never been against them, I got older and I'm getting tired of hearing
>>about them all the time.
>>Who gives a *uck!
>
> In short, you can't support your claim here, either.
> All mouth, no facts. Business as usual, eh, dimwit?
***You have no facts moron Ken.
We talking about a guy heard some thing on the news and he got ticked off on
Jews and you posted it here.
How much money you making on the Nizkor web site retard Ken?
JS
<Nizkor crap sniped>
Patrick Keenan
news:XeWdnTC1z6g...@comcast.com...
>
> "Kenneth McVay OBC" <kmc...@shell.vex.net> wrote in message
> news:11aeajk...@corp.supernews.com...
>> In article <2LednS01hM2...@comcast.com>,
>> Szaki <sza...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> [I wrote...]
>>
>> " Do you believe that stolen goods should not be returned to their
>> rightful owners, or only in cases where the owners are Jewish?"
>>
>> [dimwit vomited...]
>>
>> "* Jews stole it first, so it don't belong to them, moron McVay!"
>>
>> [I called him on it..]
>>
>> " Please document your claim that the Jewish family in question stole the
>> art sought before it was stolen from them."
>>
>> [Dimwit ran away..]
>>
>> "*** How about, you prove they owned it. Any one can claim, any thing,
>> moron!"
>>
>> Evasion noted. You cannot support your racist claim. Thanks for clearing
>> that up.
>
> *** Well, you can't prove it either,
Thanks for agreeing that you cannot prove your claims.
> you just have a big mouth, Jew boy Ken.
Actually, no, he has references to all the relevant documents. None of
which you can address, except for claiming that they are forged.
You, of course, can't and won't even try to prove your claims.
> ***That's not a racist claim, they need proof for ownership.
Want to try that in a coherent form? Claims for reparations require
proof of ownership.
> Rich Jews stole lot of things with dishonest, stolen money.
A claim which you have just said you cannot prove.
In any case, you obviously think that theft is acceptable, so why the double
standard?
> Any way, the British museum is the right place to keep such a thing, so
> every one can enjoy it.
So you are now going to donate all your goods and assets to the British
Museum?
-pk
Szaki
"Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
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> "Szaki" <sza...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:XeWdnTC1z6g...@comcast.com...
>>
>> "Kenneth McVay OBC" <kmc...@shell.vex.net> wrote in message
>> news:11aeajk...@corp.supernews.com...
>>> In article <2LednS01hM2...@comcast.com>,
>>> Szaki <sza...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> [I wrote...]
>>>
>>> " Do you believe that stolen goods should not be returned to their
>>> rightful owners, or only in cases where the owners are Jewish?"
>>>
>>> [dimwit vomited...]
>>>
>>> "* Jews stole it first, so it don't belong to them, moron McVay!"
>>>
>>> [I called him on it..]
>>>
>>> " Please document your claim that the Jewish family in question stole
>>> the
>>> art sought before it was stolen from them."
>>>
>>> [Dimwit ran away..]
>>>
>>> "*** How about, you prove they owned it. Any one can claim, any thing,
>>> moron!"
>>>
>>> Evasion noted. You cannot support your racist claim. Thanks for clearing
>>> that up.
>>
>> *** Well, you can't prove it either,
>
> Thanks for agreeing that you cannot prove your claims.
Same to you! You just making noise on this n.g.
>
>> you just have a big mouth, Jew boy Ken.
>
> Actually, no, he has references to all the relevant documents. None of
> which you can address, except for claiming that they are forged.
>
> You, of course, can't and won't even try to prove your claims.
***I don't have to, I know the story. Jews had a chance to leave Germany in
the 30's Free and later till the last minute rich Jews were able to buy them
self out of Europe.
After 60 years , many Jews moving back to Europe, Germany.
What's the matter, Israel is no good any more? Israel has to settle
Ethiopien blacks and poor Russian Jew to fill up the the country, rich Jews
like to live in Germany and in the US.
>
>> ***That's not a racist claim, they need proof for ownership.
>
> Want to try that in a coherent form? Claims for reparations require
> proof of ownership.
>
>
>> Rich Jews stole lot of things with dishonest, stolen money.
>
> A claim which you have just said you cannot prove.
*** Don't have to, lived long enough and learned, stealing can be done the
legal way and illegally.
Depends on the current laws.
>
> In any case, you obviously think that theft is acceptable, so why the
> double standard?
>
>
>> Any way, the British museum is the right place to keep such a thing, so
>> every one can enjoy it.
>
> So you are now going to donate all your goods and assets to the British
> Museum?
*Dumb question, moron.
JS
Kenneth McVay OBC
D. Cooperation of Hermann Goering.
On November 1940, Goering issued an order specifying the distribution to be made of art
objects brought to the Louvre. This order lists as second in priority of disposition,
"Those art objects
which serve to the completion of the Reichsmarshal's collection" and states that the
objects will "be packed and shipped to Germany with the assistance of the Luftwaffe."
(141-PS)
On 1 May 1941 Goering issued an order to all Party, State, and Wehrmacht Services
requesting them:
"*** to give all possible support and assistance to the Chief of Staff of Reichsleiter
Rosenberg's Staff, Reichshauptstellenleiter Party Comrade Utikal, and his deputy DRK --
Feldfuehrer Party Comrade von Behr, in the discharge of their duties. The above-mentioned
persons are requested to report to me on their work, particularly on any difficulties
that might arise." (1117-PS)
On 30 May 1942, Goering claimed credit for the success of the Einsatzstab:
"*** On the other hand I also support personally the work of your Einsatzstab wherever I
can do so, and a great part of the seized cultural goods can be accounted for because I
was able to assist the Einsatzstab by my organizations." (1015-I-PS)
E. Method of Operation.
The staff of the Einsatzstab Rosenberg seized not only "abandoned" art treasures but also
treasures which had been hidden, or were left in the custody of depots or warehouses,
including art treasures that were already packed for shipment to America. (1015-B-PS)
Robert Scholz, Chief of the Special Staff for Pictorial Art, described the thoroughness
with which the Einsatzstab conducted investigations and seizures:
"*** These seizures were carried out on the basis of preliminary exhaustive
investigations into the address lists of the French Police authorities, on the basis of
Jewish handbooks, warehouse inventories and order books of French shipping firms as well
as on the basis of French art and collection catalogs.
"*** The seizure of ownerless Jewish works of art has gradually extended over the whole
French territory." (1015-B-PS)
In the East, members of Rosenberg's staff operated directly behind the front in close
cooperation with the infantry. (035-PS)
Von Behr, in a progress report dated 8 August 1944, described the method of seizing
household furnishings:
"The confiscation of Jewish homes was effected in most cases in such a way that the
so-called confiscation officials from house to house when no records were available of
addresses of Jews who had departed or fled, as was the case for example, in Paris ***
They drew up inventories of these homes and subsequently sealed them.........
"The goods are dispatched first, to large collecting camps from where they are turned
over, sorted out and loaded for Germany.
"*** work shops were established for cabinet-makers, watchmakers, shoemakers,
electricians, radio experts, furriers, etc. All incoming goods were diligently sorted out
and those not ready for use were repaired. Moreover special boxes were dispatched for the
use of special trades *** "For the sorting out of the confiscated furniture and goods on
the invisible assembly line and for the packing and loading, exclusive use was made of
interned Jews. Because of its experience as to confiscation, as to working systems within
the camps, and as to transportation, the Office West was able to reorganize their entire
working system and thus to succeed in providing for the use in Germany of even
things,which appeared to be valueless such as scrap paper, rags, salvage, etc. ***"
(L-188).
F. Nature, Extent, and Value of Property Seized.
(1) Books, manuscripts, documents, and incunabula. A report on the library of the "Hohe
Schule," prepared by Dr. Wunder, lists the most significant book collections belonging to
the library and confiscated by the Einsatzstab Rosenberg in accordance with the orders of
the Fuehrer, as follows (171-PS):
(approx)
Alliance Israelite Universelle 40,000 Vols.
Ecole Rabbinique 10,000 Vols.
Federation de Societe des Juifs de France 4,000 Vols.
Lipschuetz Bookstore, Paris 20,000 Vols.
Rothschild Family, Paris 28,000 Vols.
Rosenthaliana, Amsterdam 20,000 Vols.
Sefardischen Jewish Community, Amsterdam 25,000 vols.
Occupied Eastern Territories 280,000 Vols.
Jewish Community, Greece 10,000 Vols.
"Special Action", Rhineland 5,000 Vols.
Other sources 100,000 Vols.
-------------
552,000
An undated report on the activities of the Einsatzstab Working Group, Netherlands, lists
Masonic Lodges and other organizations whose libraries and archives have been seized. The
report states that 470 cases of books had already been packed and reports materials
seized from 92 separate lodges- of the "Droit Humain", the "Groot Oosten", the "IOOF" and
the "Rotary Club". An additional 776 cases containing approximately 160,000 volumes were
seized from the International Institute for Social History at Amsterdam. An additional
170 cases were seized from the "Theosophischen Society" and other organizations. (176-PS)
The report further states that the value of the above works is between 30 million and 40
million Reichsmarks. Additional materials to be derived from other sources, including
100,000 volumes from the "Rosenthaliana" collection, are estimated to have a value of
three times that of the above, or an additional 90 million to 120 million Reichsmarks.
The estimated over-all value is thus between 120 and 160 million Reichsmarks. (176-PS)
(2) Household furnishings. The entire furniture seizure action, known as "Action M", is
summarized in a report of Von Behr, Chief of the Office West, dated 8 August 1944. The
report furnishes the following statistics on results up to 1 July 1944:
Jewish homes confiscated 71,619
Loading capacity required - cu. ms 1,079,373
Railroad cars required 26,984
Foreign currency and securities confiscated RM 11,695,516
Scrap metal, scrap paper, and textiles dispatched kgms 3,191,352
(L-188)
The report goes on to list in detail the number of boxes of miscellaneous items seized,
including china (199 boxes), curtains (72 boxes), coat hangers (120 boxes), toys (99
boxes), bottles (730 boxes), etc. The report concludes with an itemized statement of the
number of wagons dispatched to various cities throughout Germany, to German camps, to SS
Divisions, the German State Railways, the Postal Service, and the Police. (L-188)
(3) Works of Art (East). With reference to the work of the Einsatzstab in the Eastern
Territories, Robert Scholz reported as follows:
"In the course of the evacuation of the territory several hundred most valuable Russian
ikons, several hundred Russian
paintings of the 18th and 19th centuries, individual articles of furniture and furniture
from castles were saved in cooperation with the individual Army Groups, and brought to a
shelter in the Reich." (1015-B-PS)
In August 1943, just prior to the loss of Charcow by the Germans, 300 paintings of West
European masters and Ukrainian painters, and 25 valuable Ukrainian carpets, mostly from
the Charcow museum, were packed and shipped by the Einsatzstab. (707-PS)
Szaki
problem for the German government and they had to leave. (1933 World Jews
declared war on Germany, openly!) You should add that to your Nizkor web
site.
Those who stayed, became Slave labor after the war started in Europe.
US did the same to Jap-Americans also. (Why don't you start a web site
about)
Germans wanted Jews out of Europe, 'cause Jewish leaders sold out Germany to
England and lost WW1.
Also, hole Europe had a Communist take over hysteria effecting every one,
'cause Stalin was building arms at full steam vs. Germany was not allowed to
build any heavy weapons till 1932 or till Hitler came to power.
I can go on and on, but you focusing on little things and tell only half or
completely reversed stories.
Don't forget, there is all ways WHY! WHY! WHY!
JS
. "Kenneth McVay OBC" <kmc...@shell.vex.net> wrote in message
news:11aevmi...@corp.supernews.com...
Patrick Keenan
Apparently you don't comprehend what you write. When you use the word
"either", you include an acceptance of the first term.
In other words, you agreed that you cannot prove your claims.
> Same to you! You just making noise on this n.g.
>>
>>> you just have a big mouth, Jew boy Ken.
>>
>> Actually, no, he has references to all the relevant documents. None of
>> which you can address, except for claiming that they are forged.
>>
>> You, of course, can't and won't even try to prove your claims.
>
> ***I don't have to, I know the story. Jews had a chance to leave Germany
> in the 30's Free
They were citizens. Why should they have to leave?
> and later till the last minute rich Jews were able to buy them self out of
> Europe.
Why should they have to buy themselves out of their own countries?
What good is citizenship in this situation?
> After 60 years , many Jews moving back to Europe, Germany.
So?
> What's the matter, Israel is no good any more? Israel has to settle
> Ethiopien blacks and poor Russian Jew to fill up the the country, rich
> Jews like to live in Germany and in the US.
>>
>>> ***That's not a racist claim, they need proof for ownership.
>>
>> Want to try that in a coherent form? Claims for reparations require
>> proof of ownership.
>>
>>
>>> Rich Jews stole lot of things with dishonest, stolen money.
>>
>> A claim which you have just said you cannot prove.
> *** Don't have to,
And aren't even going to try.
> lived long enough and learned, stealing can be done the legal way and
> illegally.
> Depends on the current laws.
>
>>
>> In any case, you obviously think that theft is acceptable, so why the
>> double standard?
>>
>>
>>> Any way, the British museum is the right place to keep such a thing, so
>>> every one can enjoy it.
>>
>> So you are now going to donate all your goods and assets to the British
>> Museum?
> *Dumb question, moron.
No, it's not. It's the logical progression of your "argument".
-pk
> JS
>
>
Patrick Keenan
> You can write all that BS you want Ken, in one word, Jews were security
> problem for the German government and they had to leave.
They were citizens. Why should they have to leave?
> (1933 World Jews declared war on Germany, openly!)
You sure you want to go with this?
> You should add that to your Nizkor web site.
It's there. Haven't read it, have you?
> Those who stayed, became Slave labor after the war started in Europe.
So you agree that the Nazis enslaved Jews. Good start for you.
Now, why do you think that slavery was justified?
> US did the same to Jap-Americans also.
This is false.
While the American incarcated many innocent and loyal people because of
their ethnicity, they did not enslave them.
Notably, this only applied to people of Japanese descent. Americans of
German descent were not thrown out of their homes or denied US citizenship.
Japanese residents in the US (like other people of Asian descent) were
barred by US law from becoming citizens, but the US wanted them to renounce
their Japanese citizenship. This would put them in a stateless position -
citizens of nowhere.
Didn't bother to check this, did you?
-pk
<Snippage>
Szaki
"Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
> "Szaki" <sza...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:-dSdnftnK-i...@comcast.com...
>> You can write all that BS you want Ken, in one word, Jews were security
>> problem for the German government and they had to leave.
>
> They were citizens. Why should they have to leave?
*** Citizenship rights can be revoked from any one, even today, if you
collaborate against your country, spy, sell out and try to over throw your
government.
That's what Jews did to Germany.
All these facts are hidden from most people.
>> (1933 World Jews declared war on Germany, openly!)
>
> You sure you want to go with this?
**Yes, I'm.
>
>> You should add that to your Nizkor web site.
>
> It's there. Haven't read it, have you?
***I don't read that trash!
>
>> Those who stayed, became Slave labor after the war started in Europe.
>
> So you agree that the Nazis enslaved Jews. Good start for you.
>
> Now, why do you think that slavery was justified?
***I just wrot it before, moron! Can't you read?
>
>> US did the same to Jap-Americans also.
>
> This is false.
**No! It's the truth!
>
> While the American incarcated many innocent and loyal people because of
> their ethnicity, they did not enslave them.
***You playing with words.
>
> Notably, this only applied to people of Japanese descent. Americans of
> German descent were not thrown out of their homes or denied US
> citizenship.
***Over 10 thousand Germans were thrown into concentration camps in the US.
These camps were originally built for the Germans, but mostly used for the
Japs.
Thousands of Japanese and German were deported from South-America also to
the US concentration camps, many from countries like Panama, for security
reasons.
> Japanese residents in the US (like other people of Asian descent) were
> barred by US law from becoming citizens, but the US wanted them to
> renounce their Japanese citizenship. This would put them in a stateless
> position - citizens of nowhere.
*** BS!
>
JS
Szaki
>>>>>
>>>>> [I wrote...]
>>>>>
>>>>> " Do you believe that stolen goods should not be returned to their
>>>>> rightful owners, or only in cases where the owners are Jewish?"
>>>>>
>>>>> [dimwit vomited...]
>>>>>
>>>>> "* Jews stole it first, so it don't belong to them, moron McVay!"
>>>>>
>>>>> [I called him on it..]
>>>>>
>>>>> " Please document your claim that the Jewish family in question stole
>>>>> the
>>>>> art sought before it was stolen from them."
>>>>>
>>>>> [Dimwit ran away..]
>>>>>
>>>>> "*** How about, you prove they owned it. Any one can claim, any thing,
>>>>> moron!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Evasion noted. You cannot support your racist claim. Thanks for
>>>>> clearing that up.
>>>>
>>>> *** Well, you can't prove it either,
>>>
>>> Thanks for agreeing that you cannot prove your claims.
>> ***I don't agree with you on any thing!
>
> Apparently you don't comprehend what you write. When you use the word
> "either", you include an acceptance of the first term.
>
> In other words, you agreed that you cannot prove your claims.
*** There is nothing to prove, we only talking in general terms.
Also, he can't prove any thing, also accusing me to be a racist!
>
>
>> Same to you! You just making noise on this n.g.
>>>
>>>> you just have a big mouth, Jew boy Ken.
>>>
>>> Actually, no, he has references to all the relevant documents. None of
>>> which you can address, except for claiming that they are forged.
>>>
>>> You, of course, can't and won't even try to prove your claims.
>>
>> ***I don't have to, I know the story. Jews had a chance to leave Germany
>> in the 30's Free
>
> They were citizens. Why should they have to leave?
***Because they don't belong to Germany and abused their citizenship rights.
That's why!
Blame your Jewish leader ship.
>
>
>> and later till the last minute rich Jews were able to buy them self out
>> of Europe.
>
> Why should they have to buy themselves out of their own countries?
***Because there was a war moron, only choice they had is to stay in labor
camps, but Germans allowed them for large sum of money to leave the country.
Only rich Jews were able to afford it.
>
> What good is citizenship in this situation?
**Nothing! It can be taken away!
You can be a citizen of any country, just buy it, leave in it for a period
of time and apply for it or the standard way, born there.
People commit crime, and in jail, loose certain rights of citizen ship
automatically, like voting for example.
>
>
>> After 60 years , many Jews moving back to Europe, Germany.
>
> So?
*** Than don't complain, even after 60 years, hypocrite.
JS
>
Patrick Keenan
>
> "Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
> news:atMpe.7584$Nd3.6...@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> "Szaki" <sza...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:-dSdnftnK-i...@comcast.com...
>>> You can write all that BS you want Ken, in one word, Jews were security
>>> problem for the German government and they had to leave.
>>
>> They were citizens. Why should they have to leave?
>
> *** Citizenship rights can be revoked from any one, even today, if you
> collaborate against your country, spy, sell out and try to over throw your
> government.
Really. Show me how I can have my Canadian citizenship revoked.
Then tell me why Oswald Moseley didn't have his citizenship revoked. Tell
me why Timothy McVeigh didn't have his citizenship revoked. Tell me why
Jonathon Pollard and Donald McLean didn't have their citizenships revoked.
> That's what Jews did to Germany.
Really. Show your work.
> All these facts are hidden from most people.
Please, show the laws that permit a government to revoke citizenship from a
natural-born citizen.
People who *become* citizens, who are not citizens by birth, and who
misrepresent themselves on their citizenship applications, definitely can
have their citizenship revoked.
You are claiming that natural-born citizens can have their citizenship
revoked. Why?
>
>>> (1933 World Jews declared war on Germany, openly!)
>>
>> You sure you want to go with this?
>
> **Yes, I'm.
Then by all means, show exactly who declared war on Germany, who their
goverment was, how many divisions they had. And the source of your
information.
I'll wait.
>>
>>> You should add that to your Nizkor web site.
>>
>> It's there. Haven't read it, have you?
> ***I don't read that trash!
So, why did you suggest that this be added to the Nizkor site?
You don't even know what's there. Why are you so comfortable in your
ignorance?
>>
>>> Those who stayed, became Slave labor after the war started in Europe.
>>
>> So you agree that the Nazis enslaved Jews. Good start for you.
>>
>> Now, why do you think that slavery was justified?
> ***I just wrot it before, moron! Can't you read?
Why do you think slavery was justified? Why compare it to the American
practice, which was incarceration, not slavery?
>>
>>> US did the same to Jap-Americans also.
>>
>> This is false.
>
> **No! It's the truth!
Sorry, it's not. These people were incarcerated. They were not enslaved.
Do you not know what slavery is?
>>
>> While the American incarcated many innocent and loyal people because of
>> their ethnicity, they did not enslave them.
> ***You playing with words.
No, I am not. Perhaps you don't know what the words you are using mean.
Go look them up.
>>
>> Notably, this only applied to people of Japanese descent. Americans of
>> German descent were not thrown out of their homes or denied US
>> citizenship.
>
> ***Over 10 thousand Germans were thrown into concentration camps in the
> US.
> These camps were originally built for the Germans, but mostly used for the
> Japs.
> Thousands of Japanese and German were deported from South-America also to
> the US concentration camps, many from countries like Panama, for security
> reasons.
They were incarcerated, yes. They were not enslaved.
Do you not know the difference between incarceration and slavery?
>
>> Japanese residents in the US (like other people of Asian descent) were
>> barred by US law from becoming citizens, but the US wanted them to
>> renounce their Japanese citizenship. This would put them in a
>> stateless position - citizens of nowhere.
> *** BS!
Not at all. Go look it up.
-pk
>>
> JS
>
>
Patrick Keenan
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [I wrote...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> " Do you believe that stolen goods should not be returned to their
>>>>>> rightful owners, or only in cases where the owners are Jewish?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [dimwit vomited...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "* Jews stole it first, so it don't belong to them, moron McVay!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [I called him on it..]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> " Please document your claim that the Jewish family in question stole
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> art sought before it was stolen from them."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Dimwit ran away..]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "*** How about, you prove they owned it. Any one can claim, any
>>>>>> thing, moron!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Evasion noted. You cannot support your racist claim. Thanks for
>>>>>> clearing that up.
>>>>>
>>>>> *** Well, you can't prove it either,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for agreeing that you cannot prove your claims.
>>> ***I don't agree with you on any thing!
>>
>> Apparently you don't comprehend what you write. When you use the word
>> "either", you include an acceptance of the first term.
>>
>> In other words, you agreed that you cannot prove your claims.
>
> *** There is nothing to prove,
Certainly there is nothing of substance to what you are claiming, that is
true.
> we only talking in general terms.
Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the meanings of the words you are using.
There is nothing general in the terms you use.
You claimed that Jewish families stole their possessions. That is not a
generality. It is a specific claim for which you refuse to provide any
backing.
> Also, he can't prove any thing,
Actaully, he can. You have two problems with this: You won't read what he
has, and you refuse to accept the things you won't read.
You are the one who is not
> also accusing me to be a racist!
Well, you *do* demonstrate that pretty regularly.
>>> Same to you! You just making noise on this n.g.
>>>>
>>>>> you just have a big mouth, Jew boy Ken.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, no, he has references to all the relevant documents. None
>>>> of which you can address, except for claiming that they are forged.
>>>>
>>>> You, of course, can't and won't even try to prove your claims.
>>>
>>> ***I don't have to, I know the story. Jews had a chance to leave Germany
>>> in the 30's Free
>>
>> They were citizens. Why should they have to leave?
> ***Because they don't belong to Germany
Many of these people were born in Germany, their parents and their parent's
parents were born in Germany, and further back. In what way do they not
belong to Germany?
>and abused their citizenship rights.
Please show how all of these people, including children, abused their
citizenship rights.
> That's why!
That's a delusion, not a reason.
> Blame your Jewish leader ship.
I have no Jewish leadership.
>>
>>
>>> and later till the last minute rich Jews were able to buy them self out
>>> of Europe.
>>
>> Why should they have to buy themselves out of their own countries?
> ***Because there was a war moron, only choice they had is to stay in labor
> camps, but Germans allowed them for large sum of money to leave the
> country.
> Only rich Jews were able to afford it.
>>
>> What good is citizenship in this situation?
>
> **Nothing! It can be taken away!
Prove it.
> You can be a citizen of any country, just buy it, leave in it for a period
> of time and apply for it
This is false. Some countries do not have citizenship processes like this.
Tell me how one becomes a Saudi citizen.
> or the standard way, born there.
If you are born in a country, you are normally automatically a citizen of
it, yes. However, in this case, you can't have your citizenship revoked.
You can renounce it, but it cannot otherwise be taken from you.
You don't know anything at all about this, do you? It's rather more than
just that you don't know what the words you use *mean*, isn't it?
> People commit crime, and in jail, loose certain rights of citizen ship
> automatically, like voting for example.
That is *not* a loss of citizenship.
Please find out what the words you want to use mean *before* you use them.
>>
>>> After 60 years , many Jews moving back to Europe, Germany.
>>
>> So?
>
> *** Than don't complain, even after 60 years, hypocrite.
Excuse me, but you are the one complaining. And always about Jews: you
must really feel inferior to them. Why don't you try to develop some
self-respect?
> JS
Szaki
"Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
> "Szaki" <sza...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
>> news:atMpe.7584$Nd3.6...@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>> "Szaki" <sza...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:-dSdnftnK-i...@comcast.com...
>>>> You can write all that BS you want Ken, in one word, Jews were security
>>>> problem for the German government and they had to leave.
>>>
>>> They were citizens. Why should they have to leave?
>>
>> *** Citizenship rights can be revoked from any one, even today, if you
>> collaborate against your country, spy, sell out and try to over throw
>> your government.
>
> Really. Show me how I can have my Canadian citizenship revoked.
***You compering apples and oranges. A modern democratic country, compare to
a dictator ship 60 years ago.
But here is a few example I find for citizenship removal:
** Radical Cleric Stripped Of British Citizenship
London (CNSNews.com) - Ending months of speculation, Britain has revoked the
citizenship of one of the country's most radical Muslim clerics under a new
immigration law.
http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/200304/FOR20030407c.shtml
Ethiopian's US citizenship revoked
Demjanjuk's Citizenship Revoked
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/02/21/national/main330129.shtml
For Canada Bill C-18 :
>> "The proposed Bill if passed would correct a severely flawed citizenship
>> revocation process that goes back to the dark days of Canada's
>> immigration history and abuses such as the Chinese Head Tax, the Asian
>> Exclusion Act, the internment of thousands of Canadians during the wars,
>> the forceful repatriation of Canadians of Japanese ancestry and a policy
>> of none is too many for the Jews. <<
http://www.kw.igs.net/~andrew/newACT.htm
>
> Then tell me why Oswald Moseley didn't have his citizenship revoked.
> Tell me why Timothy McVeigh didn't have his citizenship revoked. Tell me
> why Jonathon Pollard and Donald McLean didn't have their citizenships
> revoked.
***60 years ago it may would've been different. I'm not a lawyer.
>> That's what Jews did to Germany.
>
> Really. Show your work.
***First, Jews were identified with political subversion and Communism in
particular. As outlined earlier, this sentiment was by no means a Nazi
invention, and had been written about in public by Winston Churchill and a
host of others including Henry Ford in America; the political subversion of
which Jews were accused ranged from the fantastic (the Protocols of Zion) to
the promotion of pornography, racial mixing, degenerate art ("modern art")
and other issues identified as problematic by the Nazis;
>
>> All these facts are hidden from most people.
>
> Please, show the laws that permit a government to revoke citizenship from
> a natural-born citizen.
*In dictator ship any thing is possible!
You live in your do gooder democratic Canada 60 years later.
>
> People who *become* citizens, who are not citizens by birth, and who
> misrepresent themselves on their citizenship applications, definitely can
> have their citizenship revoked.
>
> You are claiming that natural-born citizens can have their citizenship
> revoked. Why?
*In dictator ship any thing is possible!
>
>>
>>>> (1933 World Jews declared war on Germany, openly!)
>>>
>>> You sure you want to go with this?
>>
>> **Yes, I'm.
>
> Then by all means, show exactly who declared war on Germany, who their
> goverment was, how many divisions they had. And the source of your
> information.
>
> I'll wait.
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html
>> The whole of Israel throughout the world is uniting to declare an
>> economic and financial war on Germany. The appearance of the Swastika as
>> the symbol of the new Germany has revived the old war symbol of Judas to
>> new life. Fourteen million Jews scattered over the entire world are tight
>> to each other as if one man, in order to declare war against the German
>> persecutors of their fellow believers.
The Jewish wholesaler will quit his house, the banker his stock
exchange, the merchant his business, and the beggar his humble hut, in order
to join the holy war against Hitler's people. <<
JS
Patrick Keenan
>
> "Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
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>> "Szaki" <sza...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
>>> news:atMpe.7584$Nd3.6...@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>>> "Szaki" <sza...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:-dSdnftnK-i...@comcast.com...
>>>>> You can write all that BS you want Ken, in one word, Jews were
>>>>> security problem for the German government and they had to leave.
>>>>
>>>> They were citizens. Why should they have to leave?
>>>
>>> *** Citizenship rights can be revoked from any one, even today, if you
>>> collaborate against your country, spy, sell out and try to over throw
>>> your government.
>>
>> Really. Show me how I can have my Canadian citizenship revoked.
>
> ***You compering apples and oranges.
Running away from your claim now? Good plan.
Your explicit claim is that I can have my citizenship revoked today. Show
me how.
> A modern democratic country, compare to a dictator ship 60 years ago.
No, you *just* claimed that "Citizenship rights can be revoked from any one,
even today".
Your claim includes the position that natural-born citizens, like most of
the German Jews under Nazi control, could and *can now* have their
citizenship revoked.
Show where this happens, and how.
> But here is a few example I find for citizenship removal:
None of your examples relate to the removal of citizenship from natural-born
citizens.
Did you forget that your claim includes this, or do you still not understand
the words you use?
> ** Radical Cleric Stripped Of British Citizenship
> London (CNSNews.com) - Ending months of speculation, Britain has revoked
> the citizenship of one of the country's most radical Muslim clerics under
> a new immigration law.
>
>
> http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/200304/FOR20030407c.shtml
Yup, was an immigrant, not a natural-born citizen. And his citizenship is
apparently based on a bigamous marriage, which has no legal standing under
UK law. He then divorced her.
However, as he renounced his Yemeni citizenship, he's been appealing the
revocation on the grounds that this would leave him stateless.
And rendering him stateless will generate other problems for the US, who
have indicted him and want him extradited.
Now, your claim is that natural born citizens, like the Jews who were born
in Germany, could and can have their citizenship revoked. Let's see it.
>
> Ethiopian's US citizenship revoked
>
> http://nazret.com/blogs/blogs/index.php?title=ethiopian_s_us_citizenship_revoked&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
Yup, was an immigrant, not a natural-born citizen. And he lied on his
immigration applications, which renders them invalid. I've said that this
is normal.
Your claim is that natural born citizens, like the Jews who were born in
Germany, could and can have their citizenship revoked.
Show me how.
>
> Demjanjuk's Citizenship Revoked
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/02/21/national/main330129.shtml
Yup, was an immigrant, not a natural-born citizen. Lied on his immigration
application. I've pointed out that this is entirely possible.
Your claim is that natural born citizens, like the Jews who were born in
Germany, could and can have their citizenship revoked.
You have not supported this claim at all.
>
> For Canada Bill C-18 :
>
>>> "The proposed Bill if passed would correct a severely flawed citizenship
>>> revocation process that goes back to the dark days of Canada's
>>> immigration history and abuses such as the Chinese Head Tax, the Asian
>>> Exclusion Act, the internment of thousands of Canadians during the wars,
>>> the forceful repatriation of Canadians of Japanese ancestry and a policy
>>> of none is too many for the Jews. <<
>
> http://www.kw.igs.net/~andrew/newACT.htm
Yup, applies to immigrants, not to natural-born citizens.
Your claim is that natural born citizens, like the Jews who were born in
Germany, could and can have their citizenship revoked.
>
>>
>> Then tell me why Oswald Moseley didn't have his citizenship revoked. Tell
>> me why Timothy McVeigh didn't have his citizenship revoked. Tell me why
>> Jonathon Pollard and Donald McLean didn't have their citizenships
>> revoked.
>
> ***60 years ago it may would've been different. I'm not a lawyer.
You *just* claimed that this happens today. Forgotten already?
>>> That's what Jews did to Germany.
>
>
>>
>> Really. Show your work.
>
> ***First, Jews were identified with political subversion and Communism in
> particular. As outlined earlier, this sentiment was by no means a Nazi
> invention, and had been written about in public by Winston Churchill and a
> host of others including Henry Ford in America; the political subversion
> of which Jews were accused
Right. And the political subversion and intimidation which Nazis engaged
in?
> ranged from the fantastic (the Protocols of Zion) to the promotion of
> pornography, racial mixing, degenerate art ("modern art") and other issues
> identified as problematic by the Nazis;
*Any* sort of criticism of Nazism was identified as problematic by Nazis.
And by the way, you didn't show your work. You stole this from:
http://www.white-history.com/hwr64iv.htm
and didn't bother to attribute it.
It isn't your work.
>>
>>> All these facts are hidden from most people.
>>
>> Please, show the laws that permit a government to revoke citizenship from
>> a natural-born citizen.
>
> *In dictator ship any thing is possible!
And you're claiming that it is possible now. Let's see it.
Or are these invisible "facts" that are hidden from *everyone*?
>
> You live in your do gooder democratic Canada 60 years later.
And you are claiming that I can have my citizenship revoked. Show me how.
>>
>> People who *become* citizens, who are not citizens by birth, and who
>> misrepresent themselves on their citizenship applications, definitely can
>> have their citizenship revoked.
>>
>> You are claiming that natural-born citizens can have their citizenship
>> revoked. Why?
>
> *In dictator ship any thing is possible!
And you're claiming that it is possible now. Let's see it.
>>>
>>>>> (1933 World Jews declared war on Germany, openly!)
>>>>
>>>> You sure you want to go with this?
>>>
>>> **Yes, I'm.
>>
>> Then by all means, show exactly who declared war on Germany, who their
>> goverment was, how many divisions they had. And the source of your
>> information.
>>
>> I'll wait.
>
> http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html
>
>>> The whole of Israel throughout the world is uniting to declare an
>>> economic and financial war on Germany. The appearance of the Swastika as
>>> the symbol of the new Germany has revived the old war symbol of Judas to
>>> new life. Fourteen million Jews scattered over the entire world are
>>> tight to each other as if one man, in order to declare war against the
>>> German persecutors of their fellow believers.
Uh-huh. That doesn't show who, exactly, declared war on Germany, who their
goverment was, or how many divisions they had.
Now, the Barnes Review cites one source: the Daily Express. Where did the
Daily Express get its information? And from what government did this
declaration issue?
> The Jewish wholesaler will quit his house, the banker his stock
> exchange, the merchant his business, and the beggar his humble hut, in
> order to join the holy war against Hitler's people. <<
>
Show that this *happened*.
And while you're at it, show what led up to it.
And this time, try to do it without plagiarizing.
-pk
>
> JS
>
>
>
>
Szaki
little 10 year old asking too many dumb questions.
If there is a dictatorship in a country whether by Hitler, Pinochet, War
time or Marshall law in Canada what ever reason, any thing is possible. They
can change laws over night. They can shoot you at the spot without question,
if they catch you with illegal stuff after curfew.
JS
"Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
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Szaki
JS
"Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
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Patrick Keenan
> Grow up little chilled! Don't have time for your BS.
> JS
They are your claims. But yes, I do agree that your claims are BS, and
that's why you can't support them.
-pk
<Snip for bandwidth>
Patrick Keenan
> Patric, Darius, or who ever name yourself , time to grow up, you're like a
> little 10 year old asking too many dumb questions.
I'm asking you the most basic questions about the claims you made.
You have failed to support any of your claims.
> If there is a dictatorship in a country whether by Hitler, Pinochet, War
> time or Marshall law in Canada what ever reason, any thing is possible.
Your claim is that this can happen *now* anywhere, under current laws and
under current governments.
Since you're wrong, I'm not surprised that you are reluctant to try to
support your claims.
> They can change laws over night. They can shoot you at the spot without
> question, if they catch you with illegal stuff after curfew.
Which has nothing to do with your claim that I can have my citizenship
revoked now, under current conditions, doesn't it?
-pk
Szaki
JS
"Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
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Szaki
"Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
*Darius the questioning man, Hahaha!
Got you, fucker!
JS
Kenneth McVay OBC
Reporting on the withdrawal from the Ukraine, Staff Director Utikal accounted for the
removal of the following materials:
From the Museum of Art at Charcow:
Ukrainian paintings 96
Western European paintings 185
Wood carvings and etchings 12
Carpets and tapestries
From the Ukrainian museum in Kiev:
Textiles of all sorts.
Collection of valuable embroidery patterns.
Collection of brocades.
Numerous items of wood, etc. (035-PS)
In addition Utikal reported shipment of a total of 131 cases containing: 10,186 books,
the catalog of the "East" library, art folios, samples of magazines, Bolshevist pictures,
and Bolshevist films. Utikal also stated:
"Moreover an essential part of the prehistoric museum was transported away." (035-PS)
Another report on the shipment of works of art from the Ukraine, 12 September 1944,
indicated the value of the contents of 85 chests of art objects:
"There are a great many of the oldest ikons, works of famous masters of the German, Dutch
and Italian schools of the 16th, 17th and 18th centuries, as well as works of the best
Russian artists of the 18th and 19th centuries. On the whole, the contents include the
most valuable works of the known Ukrainian art possession, which in themselves represent
a value of many millions after a cursory appraisal." (055-PS)
Attached to the above report is a detailed inventory listing hundreds of individual
objects.
Additional evidence as to the extent of material seized in Kiev is found in a secret
note, 17 June 1944, dealing with measures taken prior to the Russian Occupation. The note
reported the taking of materials from museums, archives, institutions, etc.,
during the autumn of 1943 on the order of the Einsatzstab and of the Reichs-commissar.
During October there were sent to the Reich 40 railway trucks, carrying mostly goods
belonging to the Central Research Institute of the Ukraine. The report concluded with the
statement that when the Soviets entered the town nothing of value was left. (1109- PS)
On 28 September 1941, the General Commissar for White Ruthenia reported the seizure of
art treasures in the area of Minsk, destined for Konigsberg and Linz. The value of these
confiscations was stated to amount to millions of marks. (1099-PS)
(4) Works of Art (West). The Robert Scholz report declared that:
"During the period from March 1941 to July 1944, the Special Staff for Pictorial Art
brought into the Reich:
29 large shipments including 137 freight cars with 4,17 cases of art works." (1015-B-PS)
The report stated that a total of 21,903 art objects of all types had been counted and
inventoried, and stated:
"With this scientific inventory of a material unique in its scope and importance and of a
value hitherto unknown to art research, the Special Staff for Pictorial Art has conducted
a work important to the entire field of art. This inventory work will form the basis of
an all-inclusive scientific catalog in which should be recorded history, scope and
scientific and political significance of this historically unique art seizure."
(1015-B-PS)
The following is a summary of the inventory attached to the report:
Paintings 10,890
Plastics 583
Furniture 2,477
Textiles 583
Hand-made art objects 5,825
East Asiatic objects 1,286
Antiquities 259
_____
Total 21,903
(1015-B-PS)
The report stated that the above figures would be increased since seizures in the West
were not yet completed and it had not been possible to make a scientific inventory of
part of the seized objects because of the lack of experts. (1015-B-PS)
As early as 28 January 1941, Rosenberg stated, with reference to properties seized in
France alone:
"*** the value involved will come close to a billion Reichsmarks." (090-PS)
Scholz, in his report on activities from March 1941 to July 1944, expressed the value of
the seizures as follows:
"The extraordinary artistic and material value of the seized art works cannot be
expressed in figures. The paintings, period furniture of the 17th and 18th Centuries, the
Gobelins, the antiques and renaissance jewelry of the Rothschild's are objects of such a
unique character that their evaluation is impossible, since no comparable values have so
far appeared on the art market.
"A short report, moreover, can only hint at the artistic worth of the collections. Among
the seized paintings, pastels and drawings there are several hundred works of the first
quality, masterpieces of European art, which could take first place in any museum.
Included therein are absolutely authenticated signed works of Rembrandt van Rijn, Rubens,
Frans Hals, Vermeer van Delft, Valasquez, Murillo, Goya, Sebastiano del Piombo, Palma
Vecchio, etc.
"Of first importance among the seized paintings are the works of the famous French
painters of the 18th Century, with masterpieces of Boucher, Watteau, Rigaud,
Largielliere, Rattler, Fragonard, Pater, Danloux and de Troy.
"This collection can compare with those of the best European museums. It includes many
works of the foremost French masters, who up to now have been only inadequately
represented in the best German museums. Very important also is the representation of
masterpieces of the Dutch Painters of the 17th and 18th Centuries. First of all should be
mentioned the works of van Dyck, Saloman and Jacob Ruisdal, Wouvermann, Terborch, Jan
Weenix, Gabriel Metsu, Adrian van Ostade, David Teniers, Pieter de Hooch, Willem van der
Velde, etc.
"Of foremost importance also are the represented works of English painting of the 18th
and early 19th centuries, with masterpieces of Reynolds, Romney, and Gainsborough.
Cranach and Amberger, among the German masters, should be mentioned.
"The collection of French furniture of the 17th and 18th centuries is perhaps even more
highly to be evaluated. This contains hundreds of the best preserved and, for the most
part, signed works of the best known cabinet-makers from
the period between Louis XIV to Louis XVI. Since German cabinetmakers played an important
part in this golden age of French cabinetry, now recognized for the first time in the
field of art, this collection is of paramount importance. "The collection of Gobelins and
Persian tapestries contains numerous world-famous objects. The collection of handicraft
works and the Rothschild collection of renaissance jewelry is valuable beyond
comparison." (1015-B-PS)
The report refers to 2 portfolios of pictures of the most valuable works of the art
collections seized in the West, which portfolios were presented to the Fuehrer. Ten
additional portfolios are stated to be attached to the report and additional portfolios
are said to be in preparation. Thirty-nine leatherbound volumes prepared by the
Einsatzstab contain photographs of paintings, textiles, furniture, candelabra, and
numerous other objects of art and illustrate the magnitude and value of the collection
made by Einsatzstab Rosenberg.
Kenneth McVay OBC
A. Confiscatory Laws and Decrees
In October 1939 Goering issued a verbal order to Dr. Muehlmann asking him to undertake
the immediate securing of all Polish art treasures. (1709-PS)
On 15 November 1939, Hans Frank, Governor-General for the Occupied Polish Territories,
issued a decree providing in part:
"Article 1. 1. All movable and stationary property of the Former Polish State *** will be
sequestered for the purpose of securing all manner of public valuables." (1773-PS).
On 16 December 1939, Frank issued a decree providing in part:
"Article 1. All art objects in public possession in the General Gouvernement will be
confiscated for the fulfillment of public tasks of common interest insofar as it has not
already been seized under the decree on the confiscation of the wealth of the former
Polish State in the General Gouvernement of 15 November 1939 (Verordnungsblatt GGP, p.
37).
"Article 2. With the exception of art collections and art objects which were the property
of the former Polish State, art objects will be considered as owned by the public:
"1. Private art collections which have been taken under protection by the special
commissioner for the seizure and safekeeping of the art and cultural treasures.
"2. All ecclesiastical art property with the exception of
those objects required for the daily performance of liturgic actions.
"Article 3. 1. In order to determine whether art objects are public property in the sense
of this regulation, every private and ecclesiastical art possession has to be registered
with exact data on the kind, nature and number of pieces.
"2. Everyone who possessed or at the present time is in possession of or else is entitled
to dispose of such objects of art since 15 March 1939, is obliged to register the same."
(1773-PS)
In order to implement the above decree, the following registration decree wa issued in
the name of the Governor General by Dr. Muehlmann, Special Deputy for the Securing of Art
Treasures:
"Article 2. 1. Objects of artistic, cultural-historical and historical value which
originate from the time before 1850, have to be registered.
"2. The registration includes the following:
"a. Paintings. "b. Sculpture. "c. Products of handicraft (for instance antique furniture,
chinaware, glass, golden and silver objects, Gobelins, rugs, embroideries, lacework,
paramente, etc.). "d. Drawings, engravings, woodcuts, etc. "e. Rare manuscripts, musical
manuscripts, autographs, book-paintings, miniatures, prints, covers, etc. "f. Weapons,
armors, etc. "g. Coins, medals, seals, etc.
"3. Regarding the art objects mentioned in section 2, detailed information has to be
given if possible, on the master, the time of production, the contents of the
representation, measurements and material (for instance, wood, canvas, bronze, etc.) ."
(1773-PS)
The seizures authorized by the above decrees ripened into confiscation and assumption of
ownership by the General Gouvernement, with the issuance of the following decree by Frank
on 24 September 1940:
"Article 1. The property sequestered on the basis of Article 1, section 1 of the decree
on the confiscation of the wealth of the former Polish State within the General
Gouvernement of 15 November 1939 (Verordnungsblatt GGP, Pg. 37) will be transferred to
Heinrich Himmler, as Reichscommissioner for the Strengthen-
ing of Germanism, issued an "urgent decree" to the regional officers of the Secret Police
in the Annexed Eastern Territories and the Commanders of Security Service in Krakau
(Charkow), Radom, Warsaw, and Lublin. The decree, 11 February 1939, was circulated on 116
February 1939, the same date as the promulgation of the decree of Dr. Muehlmann, above
referred to (1773-PS). The Himmler decree contained administrative directions for
execution of the Art Seizure program. (R-143)
B. Purpose of Art Seizures.
The purpose of the Seizure Program is indicated in the aforementioned Himmler decree:
"1. To strengthen Germanism in the defense of the Reich all articles mentioned in Section
II of this decree are hereby confiscated. This applies to all articles located in the
territories annexed by the Fuehrer's and Reich Chancellor's decree of 10 December 39, and
the General Government for the Occupied Polish Territories. They are confiscated for the
benefit of the German Reich and are at the disposal of the Reich Commissioner for the
Strengthening of Germanism."
*******
IV
"All confiscations made before this decree by authorities of the Reich Fuehrer SS and the
Chief of German Police and the Reich Commissioner for the Strengthening of Germanism are
hereby confirmed. They are to be regarded as made for the benefit of the German Reich and
are at the disposal of the Reich Commissioner for the Strengthening of Germanism."
(R-143)
The methodical nature of the Art Seizure Program, and the existence of a general policy
of confiscation of art treasures, indicated in section V of Himmler's decree:
"In due course the usual questionnaires for cataloguing confiscated articles are to be
sent to the Chief Custodian East." (R-143)
The intention to enrich Germany by the seizures rather than merely to protect the seized
objects is indicated in a report by Dr. Hans Posse, Director of the Dresden State Picture
Gallery:
"I was able to gain some knowledge on the public and private collections as well as
clerical property in Cracow and Warsaw. It is true that we cannot hope too much to enrich
ourselves from the acquisition of great Art works, of paint-
ings and sculptures, with the exception of the Veit- Stoss Altar and the plates of Hans
Von Kulmbach in the Church of Maria in Cracow ..and several other works from the National
Museum in Warsaw. ***" (1600-PS)
The avowed purpose of the art treasure seizures was the promulgation of German Culture
throughout the Occupied East:
"*** the result is put down in the catalogue together with reproductions, and this is a
definite proof of the penetration of the East by the German Cultural urge." (1233-PS)
Kenneth McVay OBC
C. Nature, Extent, and Value of Property Seized.
Virtually the entire art possession of Poland, private as well as public, was seized by
the General Gouvernement (1233- PS). In a catalogue of the more important works of art
seized by the General Gouvernement, paragraph 1 of the Foreword contains the following
admission:
"On the basis of the decree of the General Governor for the Occupied Polish Territories
of December 16,1939, the Special Delegate for the Safeguarding of Treasures of Art and
Culture was able in the course of six months to secure almost the entire art treasure of
the country, with one single exception: the Flemish Gobelin series from the castle in
Cracow According to the latest information, these are kept in France, so that it will be
possible to secure them eventually." (1233-PS)
The nature and extent of materials seized by the General Gouvernement is indicated in
Document 1709-PS. The document inventories the objects seized, and divides them into two
classifications: those of primary importance ("Reich- important"), and those of secondary
importance. Articles of primary importance, totaling 521 separate objects, are also set
forth in a descriptive catalogue. (1233-PS)
The articles catalogued include paintings by German, Italian, Dutch, French, and Spanish
masters, rare illustrated books, Indian and Persian miniatures, woodcuts, the famous
Veit-Stoss hand-carved altar, handicraft articles of gold and silver, antique furniture,
articles of crystal, glass and porcelain, tapestries, antique weapons, rare coins, and
medals. The objects were seized from both public and private sources, including the
National Museum in Cracow and the National Museum in Warsaw, the cathedrals of Warsaw and
Lublin, a number of churches and monasteries, the Chateau of the Kings in Warsaw,
university and other
libraries, and a large number of private collections of the Polish nobility. (1709-PS)
Items placed in the second category are of the same nature as those placed in category I.
Approximately 500 separate items are catalogued, many of the items including a large
number of separate objects treated under a single catalogue heading. (1709-PS)
The value of the objects seized from 22 collections is stated to be 9,437,000 Zloty. The
materials referred to are only a portion of those selected as being of secondary
importance. No valuation is given as to the balance of the items of secondary importance
or as to the 521 objects selected as being of primary importance. (1709-PS)
D. Evidence That Seizures Were Not Merely for Protective Purposes.
In Dr. Posse's report (1600-PS), a number of items are referred to which may be found in
the catalogue of art objects "made secure" (1233-PS):
"I was able to gain some knowledge on the public and private collections as well as
clerical property in Cracow and Warsaw. It is true that we cannot hope too much to enrich
ourselves from the acquisition of great Art works, of paintings and sculptures, with the
exception of the Veit-Stoss altar and the plates of Hans von Kulmbach in the Church of
Maria in Cracow, the Raphael, Leonardo and Rembrandt from the collection Czartoryski, and
several other works from the National Museum in Warsaw, *** works of a rather high value
of whose existence we in Germany had already known. Richer and more extensive is the
Polish stock of 'objects d'art', such as handicraft in gold and silver, of German origin
to a large part, particularly from the Church of Maria and the Cathedral of Wawel,
tapestries, arms, porcelains, furniture, bronzes, coins, valuable parchment scrips,
books, etc. ***"
*******
"As I said before, I shall not be able to make proposals regarding the distribution as
long as an inventory of the entire material does not exist. However, I should like to
reserve for the museum at Linz the three most important paintings of the Czartoryski
collection, namely the Raphael, Leonardo and Rembrandt which are at present in the
Kaiser- Frederick Museum in Berlin. We in Dresden are particularly interested in the
interior decorations of the castle of the Kings in War-
saw since Saxonian architects and artists have created them; therefore, the suggestion is
made that the salvaged parts of it (panellings, doors, inlaid floors, sculptures,
mirrors, glass chandeliers, porcelains, etc.) be used for the interior decoration of the
Pavillion of the 'Zivinges' in Dresden." (1600-PS)
The following items listed in the above report are also listed in the catalogue:
Item Catalog No.
Veit-Stoss Altar 241
Hans Vol Kulmbach Works 22
Raphael 141
Leonardo 134
Rembrandt 81
Church of Maria Handicraft 262-265, 279, 280
From Jagellonic Library 166, 167, 186, 199-203, 206,
209, 212, 215-224
(See 1233-PS, 1600-PS)
Appendix 8 of Document 1709-PS lists a large number of objects which were turned over to
Architect Koettgen. The items listed include, in addition to paintings, tapestries, etc.,
plates, dishes, cups and saucers, vases, cream pitchers, glasses, a bread basket, a
service tray, and other items of table service. These objects were turned over to the
architect for the purpose of furnishing the Castle at Cracow and Schloss Kressendorf for
the Governor. (1709-PS)
A number of objects were transported out of Poland and placed in Berlin in the Depot of
the Special Deputy or in the safe of the Deutsche Bank (1709-PS). Items at this location
are also listed in the catalog (1233-PS) as numbers 4, 17, 27, 35, 42, 45, 47, 51, 138,
141, 145, and 148.
Thirty-one sketches by Durer were taken from the collection Lubomierski in Lemberg:
"The Special Deputy has personally handed over these sketches in July 1941 to the
Reichsmarshal who took them to the Fuehrer at headquarters where they remain at the
present time. On express direction of the Fuehrer they will stay in his possession for
the time being." (1709-PS)
All art objects seized were screened for those which were important from the German point
of view:
"The Reich-important pieces were collected in a catalogue of the so called 'First
Choice'. One copy of this catalogue has been submitted to the Fuehrer who reserved to
himself the first
decision as to location and use of the art objects of the 'First Choice' ". (1709-PS)
Dr. Muehlmann, the "Special Deputy for the Safeguarding of Art Treasures" in the General
Government, has confirmed that it was the policy and purpose of the art seizure program
to confiscate the art treasures and to retain them for the benefit of Germany:
"I confirm, that it was the official policy of the Governor GeneraI, Hans Frank, to take
into custody all important art treasures, which belonged to Polish public institutions,
private collections and the Church. I confirm, that the art treasures, mentioned, were
actually confiscated, and it is clear to me, that they would not have remained in Poland
in case of a German victory, but that they would have been used to complement German
artistic property." (3042-PS)
Kenneth McVay OBC
Patrick Keenan <te...@dev.null> wrote:
[dimwit flushed down the szaki to avoid further embarrassment to his family]
>Running away from your claim now? Good plan.
That appears to be all he can do, aside from tucking his yellow tail between his legs.
>Your explicit claim is that I can have my citizenship revoked today. Show
>me how.
Don't hold your breath... you'll note that he no longer wants to discuss the plunder of
European art by his hero. Run, run, ignorant buffoom Szaki..
>No, you *just* claimed that "Citizenship rights can be revoked from any one,
>even today".
>
>Your claim includes the position that natural-born citizens, like most of
>the German Jews under Nazi control, could and *can now* have their
>citizenship revoked.
>
>Show where this happens, and how.
He can't do that, he's always shown himself incapable of supporting his assertions with
anything remotely resembling facts.
>None of your examples relate to the removal of citizenship from natural-born
>citizens.
See above - cowards ALWAYS lie, and Szaki ALWAYS runs away.
>Did you forget that your claim includes this, or do you still not understand
>the words you use?
Too stupid for words, that's Szaki.
>Now, your claim is that natural born citizens, like the Jews who were born
>in Germany, could and can have their citizenship revoked. Let's see it.
See above :-)
Kenneth McVay OBC
Szaki <sza...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Patric, Darius, or who ever name yourself , time to grow up, you're like a
>little 10 year old asking too many dumb questions.
Questions you are incapable of addressing, to the surprise of absolutely no one.
Charter of the International Military Tribunal, Article 6(b). Vol. I, Pg. 5
International Military Tribunal, Indictment Number 1, xbr>Sections III; VIII (E). Vol. I,
Pg. 15, 43
Note: A single asterisk (*) before a document indicates that the document was received in
evidence at the Nurnberg trial. A double asterisk (**) before a document number indicates
that the document was referred to during the trial but was not formally received in
evidence, for the reason given in parentheses following the description of the document.
The USA series number, given in parentheses following the description of the document, is
the official exhibit number assigned by the court.
[Page 1113]
*015-PS; Letter and report of Rosenberg to Hitler, 16 April 1943, concerning seizure of
ownerless Jewish art possessions. (USA 387). Vol. III, Pg. 41
035-PS; Report, 26 October 1943, regarding security measures by Main Division Ukraine
during withdrawl of armed forces. Vol. III, Pg. 75
055-PS; Report, 12 September 1944, concerning works of art shipped from the Ukraine. Vol.
III, Pg. 99
*071-PS; Rosenberg letter to Bormann, 23 April 1941, replying to Bormann's letter of 19
April 1941 (Document 072-PS). (USA 371). Vol. III, Pg. 119
*090-PS; Letter from Rosenberg to Schwartz, 28 January 1941, concerning registration and
collection of art treasures. (USA 372). Vol. III, Pg. 148
*136-PS; Certified copy of Hitler Order, 29 January 1940, concerning establishment of
"Hohe Schule". (USA 367). Vol. III, Pg. 184
*137-PS; Copy of Order from Keitel to Commanding General of Netherlands, 5 July 1940, to
cooperate with the Einsatzstab Rosenberg. (USA 379). Vol. III, Pg. 185
138-PS; Copy of Order from Keitel to Commanding General of France, 17 September 1940, to
cooperate with the Einsatzstab Rosenberg. Vol. III, Pg. 186
[Page 1114]
139-PS; Reineke order, 10 October 1940, concerning instructions to be given to Military
Administration in Belgium to cooperate with Einsatzstab Rosenberg. Vol. III, Pg. 187
140-PS; Reineke order, 30 October 1940, supplementing gorder of 17 September 1940
(Document 138-PS) Vol. III, Pg. 187
*141-PS; Goering Order, 5 November 1940, concerning seizure of Jewish art treasures. (USA
368). Vol. III, Pg. 188
*145-PS; Oder signed by Rosenberg, 20 August 1941, concerning safeguarding the cultural
goods in the Occupied Eastern Territories. (USA 373). Vol. III, Pg. 189.
*149-PS; Hitler Order, 1 March 1942, establishing authority of Einstazstab Rosenberg.
(USA 369). Vol. III, Pg. 190
151-PS; Rosenberg Order, 7 April 1942, concerning safeguarding of cultural goods,
research material and Scientific Institutions in Occupied Eastern Territories. Vol. III,
Pg. 191
153-PS; Rosenberg Order, 27 April 1942, for formation of central unit for seizure of art
treasures in occupied Eastern Territories. (USA 381). Vol. III, Pg. 192
154-PS; Letter from Lammers to high State and Party authorities, 5 July 1942, confirming
Rosenberg's powers. (USA 370). Vol. III, Pg. 193
*158-PS; Message, 1 June 1944, initialled Utikal, Chief of Einsatzstab, concerning
missions in Hungary. (USA 382). Vol. III, Pg. 199
*159-PS, 6 June 1944, initialled Utikal, Chief of Einsatzstab, concerning missions in
Denmark and Norway. (USA 380) Vol. III, Pg. 199 [Page 1115]
*171-PS; Undated report on "Library for Exploration of the Jewish Question" by the Hohe
Schule District Office. (USA 383), Vol. III, Pg. 200
*176-PS; Report on Einsatzstab Rosenberg, Working Group Netherlands, signed Schimmer.
(USA 707) Vol. III, Pg. 203
707-PS; Letters, June-October 1943 concerning evacuation of the museum of Charkow. Vol.
III, Pg. 516
1015-B-PS; Report on activities of Special Staff for Pictorial Art, October 1940 to July
1944. Vol. III, Pg. 666
*1015-I-PS; Letter from Goering to Rosenberg, 30 May 1942. (USA 385]
1015-GG-PS; Inventory of art objects -- attached to a report (Document 1015-B-PS). Vol.
III, Pg. 671.
1099-PS; Letter from Kube, General Commissar White Ruthenia, to Rosenberg, 28 September
1941. Vol. III, Pg. 781
1107-PS; Office memorandum, 17 May 1944, in Rosenberg Special Ministry concerning the
Wehrmacht's function in removing treasures from the USSR. Vol. III, Pg. 789.
1109-PS; Note signed by Dr. Ullman, 17 June 1944, concerning Bolshevic Atrocity
Propaganda. Vol. III, Pg. 791
*1117-PS; Goering Order, 1 May 1941 concerning establishment of Einsatzstab Rosenberg in
all Occupied Territories. (USA 384) Vol. III, Pg. 793
1118-PS; Letter from Roseberg to Goering, 18 June 1942, and related correspondence. Vol.
III, Pg. 793
*1233-PS; Printed catalog undated, concerning secured objects of art in the Government
General (Poland). (USA 377) Vool. III, Pg. 850.
[Page 1116]
*1600-PS; Bormann correspondence, 1940-1941, concerning confiscation of religious art
treasures. (USA 690) Vol. IV, Pg. 128
*1709-PS; Report of Special Delegate for art seizures, July 1943. (USA 378) Vol. IV, Pg.
211
*1773-PS; Decree on sequestration of property of former Polish State in the General
Government, 15 November 1939, published in The Law of the General Government, pp. E810,
E845, E846. (USA 376) Vol. IV, Pg. 346
*2523-PS; Account of conversation between Goering and Bunjes. (USA 783) Vol. V, Pg. 258
*3042-PS; Affidavit of Dr. Kajetan Muehlmann, 19 November 1945. (USA 375) Vol. V, Pg. 754
3766-PS; Report prepared by the German Army in France 1942 concerning removal of French
art objects through the German Embassy and the Einsatzstab Rosenberg in France. Vol. VI,
Pg. 646
3814-PS; Correspondence between Hans Frank, Lammers and various witnesses to the conduct
of Frank, February 1945. Vol. VI, Pg. 739
*L-188; Report of 8 August 1944, on confiscation up to 31 July 1944. (USA 386). Vol. VII,
Pg. 739.
R-143; Himmler decree, 1 December 1939, concerning procedure for confiscation of works of
art, archives, and documents. Vol. VIII, Pg. 246
Kenneth McVay OBC
Patrick Keenan
Apparently, you're subject to hallucinations.
> Got you, fucker!
Try not to be so stupid.
-pk
> JS
>
>
Szaki
Nizkor site.
>>*** How about, you prove they owned it. <<<
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Szaki
JS
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Szaki
and other axis countries after WW2, moron?
Do you have a list for that?
You acting like, if the Soviets or the Allies didn't steal any thing,
stupido.
JS
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Kenneth McVay OBC
Szaki <sza...@comcast.net> wrote:
>First you have to answer my question dummy and stop posting crap from your
>Nizkor site.
>>>*** How about, you prove they owned it. <<<
Claimants must do that to prove their claim, dimwit, which ignores the reality that your
assertion was that they didn't own it - an assertion you have since abandoned as
untenable.
If you have any EVIDENCE that the material being posted is not factual, by all means
present it, or do as you always have: tuck your yellow tail between your bandied little
legs and run away.
http://nizkor.org/hweb/imt/nca/nca-01/nca-01-14-plunder-02.html
the ownership of the General Gouvernement." (1773-PS)
*******
IV
"I was able to gain some knowledge on the public and private collections as well as
clerical property in Cracow and Warsaw. It is true that we cannot hope too much to enrich
ourselves from the acquisition of great Art works, of paintings
and sculptures, with the exception of the Veit- Stoss Altar and the plates of Hans
Von Kulmbach in the Church of Maria in Cracow ..and several other works from the National
Museum in Warsaw. ***" (1600-PS)
The avowed purpose of the art treasure seizures was the promulgation of German Culture
throughout the Occupied East:
"*** the result is put down in the catalogue together with reproductions, and this is a
definite proof of the penetration of the East by the German Cultural urge." (1233-PS)
--
Kenneth McVay OBC
In short, you are incapable to demonstrating that any of the material presented is not
factual.
Szaki the Dimwit tucks tail and runs away... again.
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>> Charter of the International Military Tribunal, Article 6(b). Vol. I, Pg.
Kenneth McVay OBC
Szaki <sza...@comcast.net> wrote:
>How about, all the things (art, technology, people) were stolen from Germany
>and other axis countries after WW2, moron?
>Do you have a list for that?
>You acting like, if the Soviets or the Allies didn't steal any thing,
Evasion noted. Can you prove the material posted is false?
No, you can't.
Szaki the Dimwit runs away - again.
http://nizkor.org/hweb/imt/nca/nca-01/nca-01-14-plunder-02b.html
"I was able to gain some knowledge on the public and private collections as well as
clerical property in Cracow and Warsaw. It is true that we cannot hope too much to enrich
ourselves from the acquisition of great Art works, of paintings and sculptures, with the
*******
Item Catalog No.
--
Ben Cramer
again.
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