Jewish Reasoning That Sterilizing Fruit Flies & Other Animals is Forbidden & Extreme Bigotry Toward Non-Jews (In Their Own Words) V2.0 U_0104
Doc Tavish
(Link active January 4, 2005. Archived locally as: JewsMouse)
"..... sterilize male animals. In any case there is no prohibition in
buying a vasectomized mouse owned by a non-Jew.
The problem of vasectomizing unclean animals comes up more
commonly when one wants to spay their cat or dog. A Jewish
veterinarian cannot sterilize a male animal and one cannot ask a
non-Jew to sterilize their dog or cat. One can buy a previously
sterilized male animal. In fact a question they asked Ben Zoma is if
one can damage the male generative organs of a dog and he replied that
even that is forbidden (Chaggigah 14b).
Another case of damaging the reproductive organs of male animals
is the sterilization of insects like fruit flies by radiation. These
sterile males are released into the infested area and mate with
females, competing with the normal male fruit flies. A case like this
is discussed in the halachic literature. It is prohibited to hold
someone in the snow until he becomes sterile, although one is not
whipped as a punishment for doing so.
<<Tavish comment: I love the way this guy compares human beings to fruit flies!
It's a riot and he is a "university scholar" too!>>
In this case the generative organs are not directly injured, but it
is nevertheless prohibited. In addition the taking of a sterilizing
drug is prohibited even though the sterilization is not done directly
by cutting or damaging any organs or even if the sterilization is not
the desired effect but a cure of a disease is.
The halachic discussions of this prohibition are found in the
Shulchan Aruch Even HaEzer 5:11-14 and in mitzvah 291 of Sefer Ha
Chinuch.
Daniel Schindler <LIDANIEL%WEIZMAN...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
<scroll down for this comment to the above - same link>
... if genetic research with transgenic mice was very likely to lead to
immediate cures for cancer, would the concern to save lives allow one to have a
non-Jew sterilize a Jew's male mice? If fruit flies were carrying a deadly
disease, would the sterilization of males to decrease their population then be
allowed - by Jews? - by non-Jews hired by Jews?
... Since I am here anyway I should bring up females which is also not
so simple. Here we get into problems as the Shevet HaLevi for one permits
asking a non-Jew to remove the ovaries of an animal when necessary as
damaging the reproductive organs of a female animal is prohibited
rabbinically...
<<Tavish comment: If Jews won't let a non-Jew operate on one of their animals
isn't it only logical to assume a Jew won't let a non-Jew to operate on a Jew?>>
There are likely to be similar cases in the halachic literature
on medical ethics. I would welcome additional light shed on this
fascinating topic, and thank Mr. Schindler for his introduction
to it...
So far in my position as moderator I have not denied anyone access to
the mailing list. While the postings must be consistant with Halacha,
our members cross all boundries of Judaism, and also include a few
non-Jews with a serious interest in Halachic Judaism. I have now
received a request from Cindy Smith to be added to the mailing list. She
has posted many articles on soc.culture.jewish which indicates that she
is a so-called "jewish-christian" / "jews-for-jesus", and has posted
things that appear to me to be aimed at convincing people of her
beliefs. I do not feel that it is proper to include her (or anyone else
that advocates such a position) in our mailing list. I would like to get
your feedback on this issue. Unless the membership feels she should be
made a member, I will ignore her request to join.
I hope everyone had a meaningful Yomim Noraim, a very happy (and dry)
Succot, and may we all rejoice in the Rejoicing of the Torah (Simchat
Torah).
Avi Feldblum - Moderator
<<Tavish comment: See what Jews really think of non-Jews? Do they believe in a
Judeo-Christian Alliance? Of course not but gullible non-Jews have been duped
into thinking some sort of an alliance exists by "wolves in sheeps' clothing"
clergy people.>>
~~~End of Link ~~~
Okay folks how do you like the way Jews look at non-Jews and Jew's mice? Aren't
these people really too much? Again these are their very words that I post! The
link was verified January 4, 2005 and it is still active.
For any of you that still are foolish enough to believe that Jews look at the
rest of humanity as being equal to them then you all had better read what they
say in this link!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian.lutheran/msg/cff5d517fe125f30?fwc=1
Subject: Nidah 34 - a non-Jew might have different medical properties from that
of a Jew (Their Own Words!) U_0102 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:31:25 GMT
Message-ID: <43b9b799...@news.tavish-central.net>
Here is but a brief excerpt:
"The CHASAM SOFER (Teshuvos YD 175) concludes that we cannot assume
that a medical treatment that was tested successfully on a non-Jew
will also be successful on a Jew."
Now I honestly ask: if any white person were to say similarly:
"... we cannot assume that a medical treatment that was tested successfully on a
non-White will also be successful on a White." what would the anti-racists, ADL,
B'nai B'rith and all other leftist organizations call this person?
Doc Tavish