does aspirin kill cats

[Alina Holgate]

I was told by a friend of mine that if a cat drinks milk with a
crushed aspirin in it the cat will die. Does anyone know if this
is even vaguely true? Please respond before my husband tries this
out on the three or four neighbourhood cats who regularly make a
nuisance of themselves in our yard.

[Ülo Melton]

el...@carrot.com (Mr. T) wrote:

>I don't know about Australia, but in the US you can get catnip seeds
>at any garden store.

>Tracker

[Tracker's sig, an abomination unto the eye of the Lord, snipped]

Tracker, you ol' sumnagun! Awfully good to see you back in a.f.u!
However, I've already contacted the DoD and asked them about the
catnip seed situation in Australia. I checked, and when I ask, I get
answers. It's all on the up and up, so let's kill this crossposted
thread NOW.

Ülo out.

[Ian A. York]

In article <332CC6...@deakin.edu.au>,

Alina Holgate <hol...@deakin.edu.au> wrote:
>I was told by a friend of mine that if a cat drinks milk with a
>crushed aspirin in it the cat will die. Does anyone know if this
>is even vaguely true? Please respond before my husband tries this

Aspriin is very toxic to cats; not only do they have a hepatic glucuronide
conjugation pathway that's less effective than in humans (which, of
course, means they can't metabolize aspirin as well as humans, which means
that weight-for-weight it's more toxic), the average asprin tablet is
designed for a human, who would typically weigh between 10 and 20 times as
much as a cat.

For further information I refer you to

Jones RD. Baynes RE. Nimitz CT.
Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug toxicosis in dogs and cats: 240
cases (1989-1990).
Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association. 201(3):475-7,
1992

and

Christiansen G.
The toxicity of selected therapeutic agents used in cats.
Veterinary Medicine, Small Animal Clinician. 75(7):1133-7, 1980

Ian

--
Ian York (iay...@panix.com) <http://www.panix.com/~iayork/>
"-but as he was a York, I am rather inclined to suppose him a
very respectable Man." -Jane Austen, The History of England

[Missy Pound]

On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:20:06 +1100, Alina Holgate <hol...@deakin.edu.au>
wrote:

*>I don't want to kill the cats either, that's why I wanted to establish
*>whether it's true or not. If aspirin did kill cats I'd prevent my
*>husband doing it but it sounded Urban Legendish so if it doesn't do
*>any harm I'll let him crush aspirins to his heart's content. Your
*>catnip idea is a good one. The problem is that my husband is asthmatic
*>and very allergic to cats so we're trying to dissuade them from
*>hanging around.

Go visit the Rec.Pets.Cats newsgroup for a few days. Ask how to keep cats out
of your yard. There are many humane ways to do this without harming the cats.
There is even an entire faq about this particular problem.

[Alina Holgate]

Mr. T wrote:
>
> Alina Holgate <hol...@deakin.edu.au> spewed forth:
>
> >:I was told by a friend of mine that if a cat drinks milk with a

> >:crushed aspirin in it the cat will die. Does anyone know if this
> >:is even vaguely true? Please respond before my husband tries this

> >:out on the three or four neighbourhood cats who regularly make a

> >:nuisance of themselves in our yard.
>

> We do NOT advocate killing animals, as they are not at fault. It is
> the owners who are at fault. Find out who owns the cats, plant a
> bunch of catnip in their yard and they will have every cat within
> three miles in their yard. And the cats will leave you alone, you
> will suddenly become quite boring.

>
> I don't know about Australia, but in the US you can get catnip seeds
> at any garden store.
>
> Tracker

I don't want to kill the cats either, that's why I wanted to establish

whether it's true or not. If aspirin did kill cats I'd prevent my

husband doing it but it sounded Urban Legendish so if it doesn't do

any harm I'll let him crush aspirins to his heart's content. Your

catnip idea is a good one. The problem is that my husband is asthmatic

and very allergic to cats so we're trying to dissuade them from

hanging around.

[Podkayne Fries]

Missy Pound <mpo...@peachnet.campus.mci.net> wrote in article
<332df4be...@news.campus.mci.net>...

> On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:20:06 +1100, Alina Holgate <hol...@deakin.edu.au>
> wrote:
>

> *>I don't want to kill the cats either, that's why I wanted to establish
> *>whether it's true or not. If aspirin did kill cats I'd prevent my
> *>husband doing it but it sounded Urban Legendish so if it doesn't do
> *>any harm I'll let him crush aspirins to his heart's content. Your
> *>catnip idea is a good one. The problem is that my husband is asthmatic
> *>and very allergic to cats so we're trying to dissuade them from
> *>hanging around.
>

I had a similar problem years ago. My mother-in-law told me to spray the
porch steps, foundation, sidewalks, garbage cans, etc. with ammonia.
Ammonia is a component of urine, and she said this would fool the cats into
thinking that a REALLY large cat lived there. <G> Worked for me!

Take care not to get the ammonia on painted surfaces - it will strip off
paint.

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[Susan Mudgett aka little gator]

Alina Holgate (hol...@deakin.edu.au) wrote:

: > >:I was told by a friend of mine that if a cat drinks milk with a

: > >:crushed aspirin in it the cat will die. Does anyone know if this
: > >:is even vaguely true? Please respond before my husband tries this
: > >:out on the three or four neighbourhood cats who regularly make a
: > >:nuisance of themselves in our yard.

Aspirin is poisonous to cats(whether mixed in milk or not) and most
cat care books have warnings stating this. There are a few medical
conditions for which some vets give cats aspirin, but it's always in
tiny doses. I'm not sure what the toxic dose is. One tablet in a quart
of milk might not harm a cat, but 100 tablets in a tiny bowlful
probably would.

Ian?

[zm...@somtel.com]

Aspirin is potentially fatal to cats, and is easily traceable as the cause of
death.

> On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:20:06 +1100, Alina Holgate <hol...@deakin.edu.au>
> wrote:
>
> *>I don't want to kill the cats either, that's why I wanted to establish
> *>whether it's true or not. If aspirin did kill cats I'd prevent my
> *>husband doing it but it sounded Urban Legendish so if it doesn't do
> *>any harm I'll let him crush aspirins to his heart's content. Your
> *>catnip idea is a good one. The problem is that my husband is asthmatic
> *>and very allergic to cats so we're trying to dissuade them from
> *>hanging around.
>

[Ruth Lewallen]

Alina Holgate <hol...@deakin.edu.au> Did commit mayhem on the world
with these words:

>Mr. T wrote:
>>
>> Alina Holgate <hol...@deakin.edu.au> spewed forth:
>>

>> >:I was told by a friend of mine that if a cat drinks milk with a
>> >:crushed aspirin in it the cat will die. Does anyone know if this
>> >:is even vaguely true? Please respond before my husband tries this
>> >:out on the three or four neighbourhood cats who regularly make a
>> >:nuisance of themselves in our yard.
>>

>> We do NOT advocate killing animals, as they are not at fault. It is
>> the owners who are at fault. Find out who owns the cats, plant a
>> bunch of catnip in their yard and they will have every cat within
>> three miles in their yard. And the cats will leave you alone, you
>> will suddenly become quite boring.
>>
>> I don't know about Australia, but in the US you can get catnip seeds
>> at any garden store.
>>
>> Tracker
>

>I don't want to kill the cats either, that's why I wanted to establish

>whether it's true or not. If aspirin did kill cats I'd prevent my

>husband doing it but it sounded Urban Legendish so if it doesn't do

>any harm I'll let him crush aspirins to his heart's content. Your

>catnip idea is a good one. The problem is that my husband is asthmatic

>and very allergic to cats so we're trying to dissuade them from

>hanging around.
Simple cure for both dogs and cats in you yard with the added
advantage that it gets rid of most insect pest. Buy a lot of moth
balls and sprinkle them in a 4 foot band all the way around your yard,
both front and back. Animals hate the scent of moth balls and will
avoid you like a tax collector.

Nice soft paws with nice SHARP claws hidden inside

[Lon Stowell]

In article <332CC6...@deakin.edu.au>,
Alina Holgate <hol...@deakin.edu.au> wrote:

>I was told by a friend of mine that if a cat drinks milk with a
>crushed aspirin in it the cat will die. Does anyone know if this
>is even vaguely true? Please respond before my husband tries this
>out on the three or four neighbourhood cats who regularly make a
>nuisance of themselves in our yard.

No no no... You have to crush the aspirin in Coca Cola!!!!
Egad, has your husband NO RESPECT for tradition whatsoever?

However, I predict that the number of cats with headaches may
decrease in your area.

[aphrodite]

Benjamin Hansen wrote:
>
> Susan Mudgett aka little gator wrote:

> >
> > Alina Holgate (hol...@deakin.edu.au) wrote:
> >
> > : > >:I was told by a friend of mine that if a cat drinks milk with a
> > : > >:crushed aspirin in it the cat will die. Does anyone know if this
> > : > >:is even vaguely true? Please respond before my husband tries this
> > : > >:out on the three or four neighbourhood cats who regularly make a
> > : > >:nuisance of themselves in our yard.
> >

> > Aspirin is poisonous to cats(whether mixed in milk or not) and most
> > cat care books have warnings stating this. There are a few medical
> > conditions for which some vets give cats aspirin, but it's always in
> > tiny doses. I'm not sure what the toxic dose is. One tablet in a quart
> > of milk might not harm a cat, but 100 tablets in a tiny bowlful
> > probably would.
> >
> >Ian?

York, the apparent aspirin expert, is right, glucuronidase pathway in
cats can't metabolize aspirin, except in eensy-teensy bits at a time
(like one micro-grain). However, i have no respect for York, since
he/she answered so professionally and concisely, and passed up a huge
"kick me" opportunity to make somebody feel as small and stupid and
moronic as possible, and should be made to feel thus. (Moral: York is
not stupid, like Holgate, but sadly there are things worse than being
stupid, and they include being as BORING and DRONE as York is. Alas poor
York, you're a DRAG !!!) Anyway, back to the point, instead of vets
saying "don't give aspirins to cats unless it's the size of a fleck of
dust", they just cause mass hysteria and tell everyone that aspirin will
instantly kill a cat (we gave 1/4 of a baby aspirin to cats in school
and they all lived) but I wouldn't recommend it to the general public
because they always think "more is better" and they'd kill their cats
and sue all the vets...ugly scene. Holgate, who asked the question in
the first place should go dunk her big stupid husband's head in a bucket
of milk until the cat says she can let go of it.... or until York
lightens up, which ever happens first.

Aphrodite

>
> 100 tablets in a tiny bowlfull of milk would probably kill a human.

But if it were in a large bowl of milk, it would be ok? Right, sure. The
milk must be some kind of antitoxin. Got milk That's why kitties drink it,
so the aspirins won't bother them?

> Salycillic Acid is toxic in large dosages to all.

To determine a
> non-toxic dosage for a cat go by body weight. For example:
>
> 100mg dosage for a 150 lb human = 2/3 mg per lb
>
> if the cat weighs 12 lbs then: 12 * 2/3 = 8mg
>
> Ben "I am not a Vetrinarian." Hansen

No you sure aren't

[Benjamin Hansen]

Susan Mudgett aka little gator wrote:
>
> Alina Holgate (hol...@deakin.edu.au) wrote:
>
> : > >:I was told by a friend of mine that if a cat drinks milk with a
> : > >:crushed aspirin in it the cat will die. Does anyone know if this
> : > >:is even vaguely true? Please respond before my husband tries this
> : > >:out on the three or four neighbourhood cats who regularly make a
> : > >:nuisance of themselves in our yard.
>
> Aspirin is poisonous to cats(whether mixed in milk or not) and most
> cat care books have warnings stating this. There are a few medical
> conditions for which some vets give cats aspirin, but it's always in
> tiny doses. I'm not sure what the toxic dose is. One tablet in a quart
> of milk might not harm a cat, but 100 tablets in a tiny bowlful
> probably would.
>
> Ian?

100 tablets in a tiny bowlfull of milk would probably kill a human.

[misty]

On Mon, 17 Mar 1997 06:39:00 GMT, el...@carrot.com (Mr. T) wrote:

->Alina Holgate <hol...@deakin.edu.au> spewed forth:
->
->>:I was told by a friend of mine that if a cat drinks milk with a
->>:crushed aspirin in it the cat will die. Does anyone know if this
->>:is even vaguely true? Please respond before my husband tries this
->>:out on the three or four neighbourhood cats who regularly make a
->>:nuisance of themselves in our yard.

I've heard veterinarians warn against giving aspirin to dogs or cats because
it might kill them.

[Rick Tyler]

On Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:21:52 +1100, Alina Holgate
<hol...@deakin.edu.au> wrote:

:I was told by a friend of mine that if a cat drinks milk with a

:crushed aspirin in it the cat will die. Does anyone know if this

:is even vaguely true? Please respond before my husband tries this

:out on the three or four neighbourhood cats who regularly make a

:nuisance of themselves in our yard.

If you just put white mittens on the cats during hunting season you
wouldn't have to resort to chemical warfare.

Rick "Just Say No to NBC Warfare" Tyler
"My highschool diploma has cat urine on it. It's 25 years old, the cat is
long dead, the cat urine lives on." -- sean...@aol.com

[Craig Hyatt]

aphrodite wrote:

>
> Benjamin Hansen wrote:
> >
> > Susan Mudgett aka little gator wrote:
> > >

> > > Alina Holgate (hol...@deakin.edu.au) wrote:
> > >
> > > : > >:I was told by a friend of mine that if a cat drinks milk with a

...aspirin stuff edited....

> of milk until the cat says she can let go of it.... or until York
> lightens up, which ever happens first.
>

...aspirin stuff deleted...

As we continue to vector way off course.... I have heard in
the past 5 years or so that milk is bad for cats, and I've
wondered whether this is based on research. I mean, cats
drinking milk and cream is such a cliche, it almost doesn't
make sense, but I've heard this from a number of credible
friends. What's the logic, if any, behind this assertion?

--

-Craig "Remove the 'ec' to Reply" Hyatt

[Susan Mudgett aka little gator]

Benjamin Hansen (b...@cmhcsys.com) wrote:
: Susan Mudgett aka little gator wrote:

: > Aspirin is poisonous to cats(whether mixed in milk or not) and most

: > cat care books have warnings stating this. There are a few medical
: > conditions for which some vets give cats aspirin, but it's always in
: > tiny doses. I'm not sure what the toxic dose is. One tablet in a quart
: > of milk might not harm a cat, but 100 tablets in a tiny bowlful
: > probably would.

: 100 tablets in a tiny bowlfull of milk would probably kill a human.

I forgto to mention, I said "probably" instead of "certainly" because
such a concentrated dose would taste so nasty most cats wouldn't
consume it.

[Lady Neshtu]

Craig Hyatt <echy...@nortel.ca> Did commit mayhem on the world with
these words:

>aphrodite wrote:

>>
>> Benjamin Hansen wrote:
>> >
>> > Susan Mudgett aka little gator wrote:
>> > >

>> > > Alina Holgate (hol...@deakin.edu.au) wrote:
>> > >
>> > > : > >:I was told by a friend of mine that if a cat drinks milk with a
>...aspirin stuff edited....
>> of milk until the cat says she can let go of it.... or until York
>> lightens up, which ever happens first.
>>
>...aspirin stuff deleted...
>
>As we continue to vector way off course.... I have heard in
>the past 5 years or so that milk is bad for cats, and I've
>wondered whether this is based on research. I mean, cats
>drinking milk and cream is such a cliche, it almost doesn't
>make sense, but I've heard this from a number of credible
>friends. What's the logic, if any, behind this assertion?
>
>--
>
>-Craig "Remove the 'ec' to Reply" Hyatt

Milk can be bad for cats in exactly the same way it can give humans
the squirts. We digest Lactose by means of a symbiotic bacteria in
the gut. If you don't drink milk for a long time the bacteria dies of
starvation, leaving you with a protein that you have no way to digest.
Cats, and most mammals for that matter, digest lactose the same way.
If a cat has had milk consistently his bacteria should be in fine
shape to handle it. If he hasn't, it will just give him the squirts.

[Ian A. York]

In article <332FFB...@nortel.ca>, Craig Hyatt <echy...@nortel.ca> wrote:
>
>the past 5 years or so that milk is bad for cats, and I've
>wondered whether this is based on research. I mean, cats

Bad news, Craig. I know the answer, but I'm not going to tell you because
I must "lighten up". Thus, instead of explaining this fascinating,
erotic, and entertaining information to you, I am instead investigating
approaches to "lightening up". So far I have found that screwing light
bulbs into my ears is not effective, and am currently attempting to breath
helium.

Ian "posting in a squeaky voice, but not lightened up" York

[Madeleine Page]

Ian A. York (iay...@panix.com) wrote:
: >the past 5 years or so that milk is bad for cats, and I've
: >wondered whether this is based on research. I mean, cats

: Bad news, Craig. I know the answer, but I'm not going to tell you because
: I must "lighten up". Thus, instead of explaining this fascinating,
: erotic, and entertaining information to you, I am instead investigating
: approaches to "lightening up". So far I have found that screwing light
: bulbs into my ears is not effective, and am currently attempting to breath
: helium.

: Ian "posting in a squeaky voice, but not lightened up" York

C'mon Ian. Don't take it so hard. You know we all love you the way you
are: lumpen, leadfooted, fact-bound and inarticulate as you are, we lerrve
your every word.

Madeleine "though the light bulbs sound like a definite improvement" Page

--

[Ian A. York]

In article <33302c3...@news.mindspring.com>,

Lady Neshtu <Prie...@innocent.com> wrote:
>
>the squirts. We digest Lactose by means of a symbiotic bacteria in
>the gut. If you don't drink milk for a long time the bacteria dies of

Lady (may I call you Lady?), the assertion that lactose is digested by a
symbiotic bacterium was made here last August, at which time I responded
thusly:

That's interesting. Have you a cite for that? The reason I ask, is
that it appears to contradict the entire medical literature on lactose
intolerance. Lactose intolerance is due to an autosomal recessive
mutation in the lactase gene [1]; I could find no evidence that bacteria
are normally involved in digesting lactose for human use. On the
contrary - and perhaps what you're thinking of - the symptoms of lactose
intolerance are due to bacterial action on the undigested lactose [2].

and continued on from there. If you want to check the references that are
here coyly referred to simply as [1] and [2], and indeed to continue on to
[3], [4], and even [5], then you should look in DejaNews for my post in
AFU, on 1996/08/11, and with the memorable subject line
Re: Lactose intolerance UL? (
and no, I don't know what that dangling parenthesis is doing there either.

Ian "just to prevent mass destruction and insanity, here's the closer: )"

[Larry Preuss]

In article <333053...@worldnet.att.net>, Darren
<mind...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> This not due to some allergic or chemical react with the animal. This is due
> to a simple overdose of the medicine. Think about it you take two 500mg pills
> to kill a headache. If you take (not usre on the numbers here) more than 6
> doses (12 pills) in a 24 hour period you'll go into toxic shock and your
> kidneys/liver may shut down. Your cat's body weight (on average) is about one
> 20th of yours. You give a cat one pill (crushed and mixed with food) and your
> cat OD's on asprin.

Darren, Darren, we so discourage pure guessing in this forum. To start off
with, you have not looked up either the toxic dose of ASA for humans, nor
have you bothered to find out the symptoms of aspirin toxicity in humans,
cats, or anyone else. You have also ignored the First Rule of translating
weight-dose relationships across species: It Can't Be Done. Please come
back when you have some information.
Larry Preuss

--

[Darren]

misty wrote:
>
> On Mon, 17 Mar 1997 06:39:00 GMT, el...@carrot.com (Mr. T) wrote:
>
> ->Alina Holgate <hol...@deakin.edu.au> spewed forth:
> ->

> ->>:I was told by a friend of mine that if a cat drinks milk with a
> ->>:crushed aspirin in it the cat will die. Does anyone know if this
> ->>:is even vaguely true? Please respond before my husband tries this

> ->>:out on the three or four neighbourhood cats who regularly make a
> ->>:nuisance of themselves in our yard.
>
> I've heard veterinarians warn against giving aspirin to dogs or cats because
> it might kill them.

This not due to some allergic or chemical react with the animal. This is due

to a simple overdose of the medicine. Think about it you take two 500mg pills
to kill a headache. If you take (not usre on the numbers here) more than 6
doses (12 pills) in a 24 hour period you'll go into toxic shock and your
kidneys/liver may shut down. Your cat's body weight (on average) is about one
20th of yours. You give a cat one pill (crushed and mixed with food) and your
cat OD's on asprin.

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[Panhead]

Kirk Kerekes wrote:

> . On Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:21:52 +1100, Alina Holgate
> . <hol...@deakin.edu.au> wrote:
> .
> . :I was told by a friend of mine that if a cat drinks a
> . :crushed aspirin it will die. Does anyone know if this
> . :is even vaguely true?
>
> Does anyone use the Web any more?
>
> A search with Alta Vista for <+aspirin +cats> found the following
> reference in the first few hits:
(snip-pa-de-doo-da)

First, we all thank you for your efforts Kirk..but...
Second, this is not the point.
The point is, (at least as far as I am concerned)not to harm the animal
that is owned and controlled by STUPID DUMB HUMANS! Suprisingly enough,
we (the humans) are supposed to be smart enough to take care, and handle
problems when another human has a complaint. More so, when we have a
neighbor involved....let alone ones that have pets that annoy some.
We *are* supposed to work together. It's a team play thing I hear.
We *are* supposed to be a wee tad more intelligent, then the "stupid
animal".....aren't we ? Prove me right PLEASE!
If said Kitty-Kat is violating your air space, then spray said property
boundries, with Amonia or the hand squeezings of road kill on the
property lines.
Still problems? Call animal control IF talking to the owner of said
nasty pet, does NOT want to be co-operative.
The best "revenge" in this kind of case, is to have the law work WITH
you. Use it.
To harm an animal, that is trained and owned by a stupider human, is
pointless. The stupid human will just go out and acquire another one
with out having learned a thing. This is why we have vast amounts of 20
foot goldfish and child eating aligators swimming amok in our sewer
systems, and everybody in Washington D.C is a afraid to take a dump for
the last twenty years. Congress is proof of this, they are full of shit.
As far as the Bayer Aspirin thing, I also heard that it will cure a
kitty cats headache...for ever.
What one should want ,is to creat a MAJOR Excedrin headache for the
owner/protector of the puss.
Let them know that mutual respect is a very cool thing.
Glad I could help clear this up.

--
Panhead AH #49......Lord Bed-Pan? I need confirmation on this one.
The Zircon Asshole(tm)

[Lars Eighner]

In our last episode <332efca8.6921813@news>,
the lovely and talented mist...@unforgetable.com (misty)
broadcast on alt.folklore.urban,alt.revenge:

|On Mon, 17 Mar 1997 06:39:00 GMT, el...@carrot.com (Mr. T) wrote:

|I've heard veterinarians warn against giving aspirin to dogs or cats because
|it might kill them.

I was advised by Lizbeth's vet that she could have aspirin (she
is a bitch) but not Tylenol (acetaminophen). She gets aspirin
on the worst days for arthritis and seems to be the better for it.
She has also gotten it for fever. It seems to be effective and
I don't observe any adverse effects. Of course since she weighs
only 60 pounds (27 kg), she only get 5 grains (325 mg).

Of course Lizbeth seem to have a cast-iron digestive system.
She has never been given chocolate, but she is an ingenious
chocolate thief. She once stole and entire bag of Christmas-wrapped
(red and green foil) Hershey's kisses and ate them foil and all.
Although chocolate is NOT good for dogs, she did not seem to have
any ill-effects but doing her duty was a colorful and shiny
event for a couple of days.

Obviously there are some significant differences in the
internal workings of dogs and cats--I propose this one as
an elderly spouse's tale I have heard: cats will go blind if
their diet consists strictly of commercial dog food. True
or not?

--
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==(210)979-7124== http://www.crl.com/~eighner == eig...@io.com ==
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[Madeleine Page]

Darren (mind...@worldnet.att.net) wrote two remarkably ill-informed
articles on LSD and then, triumphantly, came up with this:

: Think about it you take two 500mg pills

: to kill a headache. If you take (not usre on the numbers here) more than 6
: doses (12 pills) in a 24 hour period you'll go into toxic shock and your
: kidneys/liver may shut down.

Tell me, what's the ISBN for _The Hysteric's Guide to Drugs Legal and
Otherwise_?

Madeleine "just say no to silly posts" Page

--

[Panhead]

Ian A. York wrote:
I am instead investigating

> approaches to "lightening up". am currently attempting to breath
> helium.

As the song goes:
Nitrous! Nitrous!
(Then you won't care.)
Nitrous. Nitrous.
(Shave my pubes bare!)
While Helium voices make my talk sound squeeky,
But Only that Nitrous makes me care not and submitly.
--Panhead--
"It's not just for Dentists anymore."

--
Panhead AH #49
The Zircon Asshole(tm)

[Brian]

In the proper dosages (for a cat, 10-40 mg/kg every 48-72 hours) aspirin
is safe in cats--I have prescribed it many times without a single death
(I am a practicing small animal veterinarian). In overdosage, any drug
is potentially fatal. However, even a single aspirin crushed in a bowl
of food will not instantly kill a cat--the cat will develop intestinal
ulcers/bleeding and renal failure over a period of days to weeks, not
minutes to hours.

Acetaminophen (Tylenol) on the other hand, is rapidly fatal to cats.
Cats lack the enzyme to degrade this drug, and in its unmetabolized form
it is highly toxic to the kidneys. Cats given this drug rapidly go into
acute renal failure and without treatment will often die within 24-48
hours. End of subject.

Brian Novak, DVM

[Brian]

[Starbuck]

Okay, for the last time:

YES, aspirin can kill a cat.

The metabolism of a cat is vastly different from dogs and humans in
its ability to purge various chemicals from the system. It is this
metabolic difference that causes cats to be easily poisoned by things
that a dog or human would shrug off. Common aspirin metabolizes (is
broken down and purged) in a human in about four to six hours, but
requires 38 hours in a cat! This difference makes the cat highly
susceptible to salicylate toxicity.

For the benefit of Mr. Hyatt and any cat owners:

Comments on feline nutrition and dairy products:

Milk: milk is a food, not a drink (the only cat drink is water).
This food will provide an excellent source of calcium and
phosphorus needed for strong bones and teeth, as well as many
other vitamins and minerals. Unfortunately, a large percentage of
cats lose the ability to digest milk as they grow older.

An acidopholus-enriched milk, available at most large
supermarkets, can often be consumed by cats (or people) that
cannot tolerate normal milk. Acidopholus is the symbiotic
bacterium that lives within the intestine and produces the enzyme
that metabolizes lactose (milk sugar). The most common cause of
milk intolerance is an acidopholus deficiency. Acidopholus-
enriched milk carries its own acidopholus culture with it.

Yogurt: many cats like plain yogurt and, like milk, it is an
excellent source of calcium and phosphorus. Unlike milk, yogurt
is one-step removed from fresh. It has already been consumed by a
bacterium, and is therefore partially digested. This makes it
very easy for cats and people to finish digesting. Being
sensitive to terms like "digested," the dairy industry calls
yogurt a "cultured" product.

Butter: an excellent source of fats, good for growth and coat, butter
is a good but somewhat expensive treat upon which a cat will
gladly pig out. I would suggest the occasional small pat as a special
treat.

Cream: combining the tastes and benefits of butter and milk, sweet
cream is kitty champagne! Treat it as such.

Cheese: most cheeses will cause constipation if fed in large amounts.
The occasional small piece is healthful and appreciated. Cats
don't seem to care much for the exotic cheeses, such as limburger,
brie, or bleu, possibly they are put off by the smell of the mold
(we humans eat the damnedest things!).

Margarine: since most margarine taste pretty much like butter, cats
will usually treat them like butter and take all they can get.
Unfortunately, margarine is not butter, and does not contain the
calcium and phosphorus that makes butter so beneficial to cats.
The polyunsaturated vegetable fats used in most margarines go
straight through a cat. Think of margarine as a mild and good-
tasting cat laxative (really a lubricant), and use a small pat of
it as a loving treat/preventative/cure for hairballs and
constipation.

Information lifted from FELINE NUTRITION, by R. Roger Breton and Nancy J
Creek, available at http://www.best.com/~sirlou/catnutrition.html.

Now, can we please drop this now off-topic thread???

Craig Hyatt wrote:

<snip>

> > Alina Holgate wrote:

> >:I was told by a friend of mine that if a cat drinks milk with a

<snip>

> ...aspirin stuff deleted...
>
> As we continue to vector way off course.... I have heard in

> the past 5 years or so that milk is bad for cats, and I've
> wondered whether this is based on research. I mean, cats

> drinking milk and cream is such a cliche, it almost doesn't
> make sense, but I've heard this from a number of credible
> friends. What's the logic, if any, behind this assertion?
>
> --
>
> -Craig "Remove the 'ec' to Reply" Hyatt

--
Scully: This seat taken?
Mulder: No, but I'll warn you, I'm experiencing violent impulses.
Scully: I'm armed, so I'll take my chances.

[Shannon Lea Stelly]

Craig Hyatt (echy...@nortel.ca) wrote:
: As we continue to vector way off course.... I have heard in

: the past 5 years or so that milk is bad for cats, and I've
: wondered whether this is based on research. I mean, cats
: drinking milk and cream is such a cliche, it almost doesn't
: make sense, but I've heard this from a number of credible
: friends. What's the logic, if any, behind this assertion?

Well, humans like stuff that's bad for them, why shouldn't cats? I know
the cat we had growing up got diarrhea (sp?) if she had milk. Since I no
longer drink the stuff myself, it's not around for my current cats. From
what I've read (mostly about baby feeding) milk from different mammals is
often composed quite differently. Human infants have trouble with cow's
milk because the protein molecules are too big (I think that's it).
Formula is proccessed to fix this problem, by breaking it down into a form
infants can digest. Many adult humans have problems with milk as well.
I've read that goat's milk can be more easily digested because the protein
structure is different. Anyway, I'm guessing similar issues may be
invoved with cats.

Shannon
--
Shannon Stelly-Cavell
Mom to Quentin, 5/13/96
sst...@tiger.lsu.edu

[Barbara Mikkelson]

Ian A. York (iay...@panix.com) wrote:

> Bad news, Craig. I know the answer, but I'm not going to tell you because
> I must "lighten up". Thus, instead of explaining this fascinating,

> erotic, and entertaining information to you, I am instead investigating

> approaches to "lightening up".

Have you tried tinting?

Barbara "l'oreal thing" Mikkelson
--
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[jon murray]

aphrodite wrote:
> Holgate, who asked the question in
> the first place should go dunk her big stupid husband's head in a bucket

> of milk until the cat says she can let go of it.... or until York
> lightens up, which ever happens first.

You have something against killing cats? I have a couple of mean
ferals on my property, plus the domestic animals of neighbours
who won't take responsibility for their pets. The cats are willing
and able to kill:

Spotted pardelotes (ground-nesting birds)
Superb wrens
Fantails
Tree-creepers
Golden whistlers (best bird-song you've ever heard)
Parrots
Yellow and Scarlet robins
Sugar gliders (flying possums, sort of)
Baby koalas
Baby brush-tail possums
Ring-tail possums
Bandicoots
Tuans (endangered marupials)
Young platypuses
Marsupial mice

Jon

[jon murray]

Ruth Lewallen wrote:
>

> Simple cure for both dogs and cats in you yard with the added
> advantage that it gets rid of most insect pest. Buy a lot of moth
> balls and sprinkle them in a 4 foot band all the way around your yard,
> both front and back. Animals hate the scent of moth balls and will
> avoid you like a tax collector.

It would presumably keep out/kill the beneficial insects as well. And
the worms. But the biggest problem would be that your place would smell
like grandma's wardrobe.

Jon

[Justin D. Bukowski]

In article <5gq69e$7...@panix2.panix.com>,

Madeleine Page <mp...@panix.com> wrote:
>Darren (mind...@worldnet.att.net) wrote two remarkably ill-informed
>articles on LSD

I'll trust you on that, you hippie.

> and then, triumphantly, came up with this:
>
>: Think about it you take two 500mg pills
>: to kill a headache. If you take (not usre on the numbers here) more than 6
>: doses (12 pills) in a 24 hour period you'll go into toxic shock and your
>: kidneys/liver may shut down.
>
>Tell me, what's the ISBN for _The Hysteric's Guide to Drugs Legal and
>Otherwise_?

I haven't seen Darren's post yet, but that won't stop me from
commenting. Since he mentions liver problems, I assume he's talking
about acetaminophren overdose. The information I've seen is that
an overdose (single dose) of 150mg/kg body weight^Wmass is
considered toxic. This is 9 grams (single dose) for a 130 lb person.
The maximum recommended dose, by contrast, is 3.2 grams in 24 hours.
So while Darren is being a wee bit hysterical, at least he's gotten
the picture that acetaminophren should be taken as directed, and not
otherwise. And that's the least we should hope for from the little people.

I won't mention the toxic dose of sodium fluoride, compared to the
amount in a tube of toothpaste. (Hint: Crest on toast is a bad
idea not only because mint gel-ly is properly served with lamb.)

Justin "but why did they make a book just for women?" Bukowski

[Rick Tyler]

On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:17:04 GMT, Prie...@innocent.com (Lady Neshtu)
wrote:

<snip>
:If a cat has had milk consistently his bacteria should be in fine

:shape to handle it. If he hasn't, it will just give him the squirts.

:
Leave us not understate the severity of this condition in either
felines or primates. According to the US Government's National
Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases of the
National Institutes of Health (known to its friends as the NIDDK):

Lactose intolerance is the inability to digest significant amounts of
lactose, the predominant sugar of milk. This inability results
from a shortage of the enzyme lactase, which is normally produced by
the cells that line the small intestine. Lactase breaks down milk
sugar into simpler forms that can then be absorbed into the
bloodstream. When there is not enough lactase to digest the amount of
lactose consumed, the results, although not usually dangerous, may be
very distressing. (Note the unintentionally grimly humorous
understatement.) While not all persons deficient in lactase have
symptoms, those who do are considered to be lactose intolerant.

Common symptoms include nausea, cramps, bloating, gas, and diarrhea,
which begin about 30 minutes to 2 hours after eating or drinking foods
containing lactose. The severity of symptoms varies depending on the
amount of lactose each individual can tolerate.

Between 30 and 50 million Americans are lactose intolerant. Certain
ethnic and racial populations are more widely affected than others. As
many as 75 percent of all African-Americans and Native Americans and
90 percent of Asian-Americans are lactose intolerant. The condition is
least common among persons of northern European descent.

End quote.

It's not just diarrhea. It's a lot worse.

-- Rick "The condition is least common among persons of northern
European descent, but unfortunately not completely unknown" Tyler

[Jake]

On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:17:04 GMT, Prie...@innocent.com (Lady Neshtu)
wrote:

>Milk can be bad for cats in exactly the same way it can give humans

>the squirts. We digest Lactose by means of a symbiotic bacteria in
>the gut. If you don't drink milk for a long time the bacteria dies of

>starvation, leaving you with a protein that you have no way to digest.
>Cats, and most mammals for that matter, digest lactose the same way.

>If a cat has had milk consistently his bacteria should be in fine
>shape to handle it. If he hasn't, it will just give him the squirts.

Milk is not digested by bacteria in the stomach. It is
metabolized by an enzyme in your digestive system. Your body either
produces this enzyme or, you are lactose intollerant. Some people
stop producing this enzyme as they age because as they get older they
should not be drinking their mother's milk anymore so in nature they
wouldn't need it anymore. As for milk being bad for cats I would
assumt that a totally liquid diet would be bad for any animal's
digestion.
***************************************************************
"remember that however extraordinary the experiences,
there are always further and greater experiences"
......... Mother Meera
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[Panhead]

li...@usit.net wrote:

> Panhead's quote above is obviously a joke, but I'll almost guarantee it will
> get us another thirty or forty crossposted messages discussing the "alligators
> in the sewers" rumors.

You mean it's not true?

Sorry, I will watch it.

[A73NgER!!]

Ok, people. I think this thread has gone far enough. It was cool at
the beginning, but it has gone to a point where it no longer contains
any kind of info on revenge. I think the point is clear in the FAQ: you
don't get even with animals, but with their owners.

Mus we start a flamewar over this?

Revenge is JUSTICE

The Avenger
Terrorist and Mercenary of ALT.REVENGE (if needed)
No more cults. I'm sick of them all.

[Frank Raymond Michaels]

mp...@panix.com (Madeleine Page) wrote:

>Darren (mind...@worldnet.att.net) wrote two remarkably ill-informed

>articles on LSD and then, triumphantly, came up with this:

>: Think about it you take two 500mg pills
>: to kill a headache. If you take (not usre on the numbers here) more than 6
>: doses (12 pills) in a 24 hour period you'll go into toxic shock and your
>: kidneys/liver may shut down.

>Tell me, what's the ISBN for _The Hysteric's Guide to Drugs Legal and
>Otherwise_?

Well... the _Signet/Mosby Medical Encyclopedia_ is ISBN #0-451-18409-2
and it says --

[p66, entry on "aspirin"]: "Side effects include stomach and intestine
problems (ulcers, bleeding), and ringing in the ears. Use of large
doses of aspirin over a long period of time can cause blood clotting
defects and liver and kidney damage."

[p686, entry on "salicylate poisoning" (aspirin overdose)]: "... Rapid
breathing, vomiting, irritability, low blood sugar, and, in severe
cases, convulsions and breathing failure."

The kidney/liver shut-down Darren describes appears from the text to
be a long-term danger, not an overdose danger, but it would appear
that an overdose of aspirin would certainly be toxic.

Now, if you give two crushed-up 325mg aspirin tablets to a 10-lb cat,
wouldn't the effect be similar to giving a 180-lb man 36 crushed up
tablets? (I've been told -- by a pharmacist -- when they're crushed up
they absorb faster into the bloodstream).

To the original poster who wishes to get rid of cats in her yard --
turn the hose on them a couple of times. Cats hate water and will not
return if they know they'll get a soaking for their trouble.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Frank Raymond Michaels ("Optionally, you can use aspirin tablets and a
good slingshot....")

[A7enG3R!!]

Well, there's always the alternative solution:
1.get some ham--or any other cold meat
2.slice it into several small pieces--but not too small. think canape.
3.throw the sliced pieces all over the backyard/front lawn/whatever of
the owner of the animals. make sure the pieces are small enough to pass
undetected at first sight.
4.repeat procedure for a couple of days
5.watch as your mark's front yard becomes infested with dogs and cats.

there. no more cats.

PS: and please. Lets kill this thread. It's getting boring and just
plain out of control.

[Ian A. York]

In article <5gs2b3$qpc$1...@news2.i-2000.com>,

Frank Raymond Michaels <fra...@i-2000.com> wrote:
>
>Now, if you give two crushed-up 325mg aspirin tablets to a 10-lb cat,
>wouldn't the effect be similar to giving a 180-lb man 36 crushed up

No. You can't reliably do simple minded scaleups between species (for
that matter, you can't really do simple minded scaleups within species,
but across species is even worse). The metabolism of aspirin in cats is
much slower than in humans, so a more accurate guess would be that 2
tablets to a cat is more like maybe 100 tablets to a 100-pound person.

Ian

[Andrew Rogers]

misty wrote:
> I've heard veterinarians warn against giving aspirin to dogs or cats because
> it might kill them.

Aspirin is indeed highly toxic to cats, but not to dogs. My
13-year-old Cardigan Welsh Corgi, Bryn, has been mildly arthritic
for the past couple of years, and upon the advice of my vet I
give her 1/4 of an aspirin (body weight: 35 lbs.) daily.

Andrew

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(Remove spam-blocker from address to respond)

[David Lesher]

Brian <brn...@ix.netcom.com> writes:

>In the proper dosages (for a cat, 10-40 mg/kg every 48-72 hours) aspirin
>is safe in cats--I have prescribed it many times without a single death
>(I am a practicing small animal veterinarian).

Brian, I have some bad news for you. The Resident Vet position
here at AFU Headquarters is already filled. Even if it wasn't,
Binky is known to be very picky, and you sound too sensible
to pass scutiny.

However, it's possible Medline Boy might need some help tipping cows
come springtime. If you would be interested in a part time position,
please submit a cv (and a CBC...).
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& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

[Lon Stowell]

In article <3330CA...@netconnect.com.au>,

jon murray <jo...@netconnect.com.au> wrote:
>You have something against killing cats? I have a couple of mean
>ferals on my property, plus the domestic animals of neighbours
>who won't take responsibility for their pets. The cats are willing
>and able to kill:

Well, since you ask, yes I DO have something against killing
cats. This moral objection does not extend to either careless
cat owners or cat murderers.

I have wild songbirds and squirrels that frequent my place, scarfing
up on the sunflower seeds strategically distributed. The birds
and squirrels have learned that the yard is a reliable food source.

A couple neighborhood cats every now and then will get the mistaken
idea that my yard is also a food source for them, on the hoof.
A squirt gun and good aim discourages them, although at least one
cat has discovered some facts of life the hard way:

o Squirrels only LOOK cuddly. They really have nasty teeth and
don't care for cats in the neighborhood. Some will even
actively attack the cat rather than simply defend themselves.

o Doves may make cute coodly coo sounds, but they are really
nasty tempered birds when cats are in the area.

o Chickadees are very small, very agressive, very protective
birds with very sharp little beaks.

[Madeleine Page]

Frank Raymond Michaels (fra...@i-2000.com) wrote:
: mp...@panix.com (Madeleine Page) wrote:

: >Darren (mind...@worldnet.att.net) wrote two remarkably ill-informed
: >articles on LSD and then, triumphantly, came up with this:

: >: Think about it you take two 500mg pills
: >: to kill a headache. If you take (not usre on the numbers here) more than 6
: >: doses (12 pills) in a 24 hour period you'll go into toxic shock and your
: >: kidneys/liver may shut down.

: >Tell me, what's the ISBN for _The Hysteric's Guide to Drugs Legal and
: >Otherwise_?

: Well... the _Signet/Mosby Medical Encyclopedia_ is ISBN #0-451-18409-2
: and it says --

[snip of very good information on the sequel^Weffects of aspirin overdose]

Thanks for the clarification. I in no way meant to imply that it is
impossible to overdose on aspirin. I was merely taking issue with the
notion that 12 aspirin in 24 hours will cause toxic shock and renal
failure.

Madeleine "don't try this at home, folks" Page

--

[Justin D. Bukowski]

In article <5gpv5e$3...@panix.com>, Ian A. York <iay...@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <33302c3...@news.mindspring.com>,

>Lady Neshtu <Prie...@innocent.com> wrote:
>>
>>the squirts. We digest Lactose by means of a symbiotic bacteria in
>>the gut. If you don't drink milk for a long time the bacteria dies of
>

>Lady (may I call you Lady?), the assertion that lactose is digested by a
>symbiotic bacterium was made here last August, at which time I responded
>thusly:
>
> That's interesting. Have you a cite for that? The reason I ask, is
> that it appears to contradict the entire medical literature on lactose
> intolerance. Lactose intolerance is due to an autosomal recessive
> mutation in the lactase gene [1]; I could find no evidence that bacteria
> are normally involved in digesting lactose for human use. On the
> contrary - and perhaps what you're thinking of - the symptoms of lactose
> intolerance are due to bacterial action on the undigested lactose [2].

No, what she's probably thinking of is cows, who use symbiotic
bacterial action to digest cellulose in the grass they
eat. In fact, if you don't feed a cow for a long time, the
bacteria all die, and so does the cow!!!1! But you probably
wouldn't know that, you virologist, you.

>and continued on from there. If you want to check the references that are
>here coyly referred to simply as [1] and [2], and indeed to continue on to
>[3], [4], and even [5], then you should look in DejaNews for my post in
>AFU, on 1996/08/11, and with the memorable subject line
> Re: Lactose intolerance UL? (
>and no, I don't know what that dangling parenthesis is doing there either.

Looks like someone's lame posting software truncated the
original subject line. Who can forget the munged subject
line "Canada is a pathetic pie"?

>Ian "just to prevent mass destruction and insanity, here's the closer: )"
>York

Nice try, but that's a smiley of a man without a nose. It's clear,
then, that your entire post is an elaborate troll. Lady Neshtu,
I'm sure you're right and Ian is just pulling your leg. In fact,
I'll bet that if you *do* look up Ian's post of 1996/08/11 on AFU,
you'll find that the references he mentions are also elaborate
trolls on the medical community.

Justin "I never knew that unclosed parentheticals
could cause mass destruction and insanity.
I usually just get compiler errors." Bukowski

[Don Erickson]

j...@condor.cchem.berkeley.edu (Justin D. Bukowski) sez:
>In article <5gpv5e$3...@panix.com>, Ian A. York <iay...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>Ian "just to prevent mass destruction and insanity, here's the closer: )"
>>York
>
>Nice try, but that's a smiley of a man without a nose. It's clear,
>then, that your entire post is an elaborate troll.

Man, you guys are way too quick for me. I made a bet that it was Ian's
subtle way of announcing his new goatee.

-Don 'and that the lack of a nose indicates that the goatee doesn't smell
very good' Erickson
--
.sig has forty pounds of pennies to count. Hah

[Jo Anne Slaven]

Madeleine Page wrote:

> [snip of very good information on the sequel effects of aspirin overdose]

>
> Thanks for the clarification. I in no way meant to imply that it is
> impossible to overdose on aspirin. I was merely taking issue with the
> notion that 12 aspirin in 24 hours will cause toxic shock and renal
> failure.

I was told by a doctor (well...actually, my husband, who was told by a
doctor...) that if one is suffering from extreme pain, and it is
impossible to get immediate medical attention, one should keep popping
aspirins every half-hour or so until one falls asleep. The issue came up
when we were far away from a dentist or hospital, and I had a killer
toothache in the night. I followed this suggestion and took *at least*
14 aspirins. No ill effects were noted.

Jo Anne

[Larry Preuss]

In article <5gqbc5$i...@agate.berkeley.edu>, j...@condor.cchem.berkeley.edu
(Justin D. Bukowski) wrote:

> >Darren (mind...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:

> >: Think about it you take two 500mg pills
> >: to kill a headache. If you take (not usre on the numbers here) more than 6
> >: doses (12 pills) in a 24 hour period you'll go into toxic shock and your
> >: kidneys/liver may shut down.

> I haven't seen Darren's post yet, but that won't stop me from
> commenting. Since he mentions liver problems, I assume he's talking
> about acetaminophren overdose.

[snip]

It's sort of too bad you didn't see the post before commenting, as Darren
was commenting specifically on aspirin, not acetaminophen.
Larry

--

[Lawrence Kubicz]

Ian A. York wrote:

> Ian "just to prevent mass destruction and insanity, here's the closer: )"
> York

Really, Ian. This thinly-veiled attempt to sneak a smiley into the
thread
is beneath you.

Larry "wasn't born yesterday" Kubicz

[Larry Preuss]

In article <5gs2b3$qpc$1...@news2.i-2000.com>, fra...@i-2000.com (Frank
Raymond Michaels) wrote:

> Now, if you give two crushed-up 325mg aspirin tablets to a 10-lb cat,
> wouldn't the effect be similar to giving a 180-lb man 36 crushed up

> tablets? (I've been told -- by a pharmacist -- when they're crushed up
> they absorb faster into the bloodstream).

It would seem a logical proposition, but you should never count on similar
dose-weight responses in different species, or even similar therapeutic or
toxic effects.
LP

--

[Jo Anne Slaven]

Lon Stowell wrote (among other things):

> at least one cat has discovered some facts of life the hard way:
>
> o Squirrels only LOOK cuddly. They really have nasty teeth and
> don't care for cats in the neighborhood. Some will even
> actively attack the cat rather than simply defend themselves.

Only until the squirrels get to know the cats in question. Squirrels pay
no heed to slow, geriatric cats (and old cats know they shouldn't take
on a squirrel). We put peanuts out on our deck table for our squirrels,
and sometimes one or the other of the cats will lay next to the peanuts,
"guarding" them. The squirrels come up onto the table and get their
prizes regardless of the cats, and nobody ever attacks anybody else.

Jo Anne "seen it with my own eyes" Slaven

[jon murray]

Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> In article <3330CA...@netconnect.com.au>,
> jon murray <jo...@netconnect.com.au> wrote:
> >You have something against killing cats? I have a couple of mean
> >ferals on my property, plus the domestic animals of neighbours
> >who won't take responsibility for their pets. The cats are willing
> >and able to kill:
>
> Well, since you ask, yes I DO have something against killing
> cats. This moral objection does not extend to either careless
> cat owners or cat murderers.

Well, you're lucky that your wildlife is able to defend itself against
cats. The birds and animals I listed in my post aren't. (And have you
wondered why you don't have wildlife that can't defend itself against
cats?)

In the same way that I am attempting to rid my property of aggressive,
habitat-stealing introduced life such as starlings, foxes and blackberries,
I am attempting to rid it of cats.

Jon

[Ubersaurus Rex]

In article <5gv6gk$3...@trout.slug.net>, der...@sky.net wrote:

>Man, you guys are way too quick for me. I made a bet that it was Ian's
>subtle way of announcing his new goatee.
>
>-Don 'and that the lack of a nose indicates that the goatee doesn't smell
>very good' Erickson

And he'll try a goateff and a goatgee until he gets it right.
--
somethingsomethingsomething

[Larry Preuss]

In article <5gsjse$5...@panix2.panix.com>, mp...@panix.com (Madeleine Page)
wrote:

> : Well... the _Signet/Mosby Medical Encyclopedia_ is ISBN #0-451-18409-2
> : and it says --
>

> [snip of very good information on the sequel^Weffects of aspirin overdose]

>
> Thanks for the clarification. I in no way meant to imply that it is
> impossible to overdose on aspirin. I was merely taking issue with the
> notion that 12 aspirin in 24 hours will cause toxic shock and renal
> failure.
>

> Madeleine "don't try this at home, folks" Page

Madeleine, I think you were right to question Darren, as did I. The posting
that began this particular thread claimed that if you take x number of
aspirin in 24 hours "you'll go into toxic shock and your kidneys/liver may
shut down." You will have noticed that this bears no relationship to what
we were told by the Signet/Mosby M.E. Darren knew nothing of either dose OR
effect.
Larry

--

[Panhead]

Att...@The.Rear.Org wrote:

> ~ o Squirrels
> They are cute, but I wouldn't try to pet any animal with teeth that are
> made for cracking nuts with.

Damn! There goes a few hours sleep tonight.

[Panhead]

Lady Neshtu wrote:
>
> Att...@The.Rear.Org Did commit mayhem on the world with these words:
>
> >Oh, yeah, lsto...@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)?
> >
> >(snip)
> >~ o Squirrels only LOOK cuddly. They really have nasty teeth and
> >~ don't care for cats in the neighborhood. Some will even
> >~ actively attack the cat rather than simply defend themselves.

> >
> >They are cute, but I wouldn't try to pet any animal with teeth that are
> >made for cracking nuts with.

> Then you wouldn't pet me?

Aw jeeze....There's ANOTHER nites sleep shot to hell because of cringing
nightmares! :-l

--
Panhead AH #49
The Zircon Asshole(tm)

http://www.webspan.net/~panhead/
---EKIII Paints with me---

[Lady Neshtu]

Att...@The.Rear.Org Did commit mayhem on the world with these words:

>Oh, yeah, lsto...@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)?
>
>(snip)
>~ o Squirrels only LOOK cuddly. They really have nasty teeth and
>~ don't care for cats in the neighborhood. Some will even
>~ actively attack the cat rather than simply defend themselves.
>
>They are cute, but I wouldn't try to pet any animal with teeth that are
>made for cracking nuts with.
Then you wouldn't pet me?

Nice soft paws with nice SHARP claws hidden inside

[Frank Raymond Michaels]

For the record, here are the numbers for those who are interested --

mp...@panix.com (Madeleine Page) wrote:
<snips>

>Thanks for the clarification. I in no way meant to imply that it is
>impossible to overdose on aspirin. I was merely taking issue with the
>notion that 12 aspirin in 24 hours will cause toxic shock and renal
>failure.

You are correct -- Specifically it would take more than *80* 500mg
aspirin tablets to kill a 180-lb adult, and death would be due to
convulsions and respiratory failure.

The Maryland Poison Center's CLINTOX FAQ (The TOXALERT Homepage at
http://www.pharmacy.ab.umd.edu/~mpc/aspirin.htm)
states that "ingestions of > 500 mg/kg [of aspirin, at 2.2 lbs/kg,
this value converts to apx 227mg/lb] are potentially fatal
ingestions." This is the pediatric value, I am presuming that adults
are at least as good or better at metabolizing salicylates.

For toxicity of aspirin in cats (the original question), check out
http://www.avma.org/pubhlth/poisgde.html#asp -- this is an excerpt:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ASPIRIN, IBUPROFEN, PHENYLBUTAZONE, NAPROXEN
(NSAID toxicity) - X
XXX - Emergency! XX - Highly Dangerous X - Dangerous

The pain relievers discussed here are known as NSAID's
(non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs) and are widely prescribed with
caution by veterinarians to relieve pain from arthritis and other
conditions. Animal dosages, however, are much lower than human
dosages. Use of NSAID's can significantly increase the risk for
development of stomach or intestinal ulcers, particularly in a sick
patient, or one receiving other medications. These pain relievers
cause signs of poisoning by decreasing the mucous production in the
stomach. Mucous serves to protect the stomach from the acids it
secretes and reduction in mucous production decreases the protection
the stomach has from acid secretion and increases the likelihood of
ulcer formation. In addition these drugs indirectly decrease the blood
flow to vital organs, particularly the kidney, and can result in
significant kidney damage. Two regular strength aspirin in a small dog
can cause clinical signs of poisoning. As with Tylenol, cats are more
sensitive to these drugs and should never be given these medications
unless under the specific direction of a veterinarian.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks to Ian York and Larry P. for their clarification of my
weight/dosage across species question. Being owned by two cats I
confess to a vested interested in this topic.
----------------------------------------------------------
Frank Raymond Michaels ("The things I do for a little... er, cat.")

[Habeeb23]

Att...@The.Rear.Org Did commit mayhem on the world with these words:

>>Oh, yeah, lsto...@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)?
>>
>>(snip)

>>> o Squirrels only LOOK cuddly. They really have nasty teeth and

>>> don't care for cats in the neighborhood. Some will even

>>> actively attack the cat rather than simply defend themselves.
>>
>>They are cute, but I wouldn't try to pet any animal with teeth that are
>>made for cracking nuts with.
>Then you wouldn't pet me?

Sure, I'll pet you if you promise not to crack my nuts with your
teeth...

Sorry. Had to be said.
Habeeb23

[Scott Blaha]

Att...@The.Rear.Org wrote:
>
> They are cute, but I wouldn't try to pet any animal with teeth that are
> made for cracking nuts with.

Well, petting is OK, but I'm _not_ letting them sit in my lap! <BG>

Scott
--
sbl...@globalvision.net

Visit my website at http://ww3.globalvision.net/~sblaha

[Frank O'Donnell]

Justin D. Bukowski (j...@condor.cchem.berkeley.edu) wrote:

: Looks like someone's lame posting software truncated the

: original subject line. Who can forget the munged subject
: line "Canada is a pathetic pie"?

The "Devil's DP Dictionary" refers to "curtation." Like truncation only
different. It told of a fellow who ordered Mozart's "Don Giovanni" but was
billed for "moz dong."

Rusty

---Believe in infant baptism, Hell, I've seen it done!---

[Patrick M. Berry]

In article <333a49f7...@news.space.net.au>, un...@space.net.au (Uncle Brian) writes:

> In regards to squirrels, who gives a fuck? If you
> can get close enough to "pet" the little bastards,
> why feed him an aspirin? Just SHOOT the fucker.

Because people will notice. But you can feed them toxic substances
in public and no one will be the wiser. Or, as the great Tom Lehrer
expressed it musically:

So if Sunday you're free,
Why don't you come with me,
And we'll poison the pigeons in the park.
And maybe we'll do
In a squirrel or two,
While we're poisoning pigeons in the park.

We'll murder them all amid laughter and merriment . . .

Pat (Except for the few we take home to experiment) Berry

[Simon Slavin]

In article <5h7odo$5...@washington.patriot.net>,

ru...@adams.patriot.net (Frank O'Donnell) wrote:

> Justin D. Bukowski (j...@condor.cchem.berkeley.edu) wrote:
>
> : Looks like someone's lame posting software truncated the
> : original subject line. Who can forget the munged subject
> : line "Canada is a pathetic pie"?
>
> The "Devil's DP Dictionary" refers to "curtation." Like truncation only
> different. It told of a fellow who ordered Mozart's "Don Giovanni" but was
> billed for "moz dong.

That was Alan Coren, that was. His original column mentioning it
is in a volume of _Punch_ I have somewhere.

Simon.
--
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http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk | so now I care.
Check email address for spam-guard. | -- tan...@math.wisc.edu
Junk email not welcome at this site. | (Stephen Will Tanner)

[peter f wick]

: Aspirin works as an analgesic by dilating blood vessels to increase the
: flow of oxygenated blood throughout the body. If you take in enough
: salicylic acid, depending on how healthy your cardiovascular system is and
: the amount of cholesterol/fat/sludge already contained in your arteries,
: your blood vessels or heart may eventually burst.

ROTFLMAOPMPDTHW!!!!

I'll be sure and paste a copy of this into my next handout.

Peter

[David A Reeves]

"Ron's Inspector's Inspector" <gro.kcirdnek@krd> wrote:

>houghi <hou...@ping.be_DELETE_THIS> wrote in article
><33473c92....@news.ping.be>...
>> Is this not because of body weight? I do not know how light or heavy a
>> cat is, but lets say 1Kg. A normal person will be arounf 75 Kg. So
>> what happens to you if you take 75 aspirines? Does that kill you? Or
>> will you never have a hangover again?

>Aspirin works as an analgesic by dilating blood vessels to increase the
>flow of oxygenated blood throughout the body. If you take in enough
>salicylic acid, depending on how healthy your cardiovascular system is and
>the amount of cholesterol/fat/sludge already contained in your arteries,
>your blood vessels or heart may eventually burst.

I don't know where you got your information but Aspirin is NOT a
vasodilator! It's an NSAID (Non-Steroid-Anti-Inflammatory Drug) and
produces its effects by interfering with prostoglandin synthesis...

Taking too much of it will NOT cause your heart to burst - it will, on
the other hand, reach toxic levels in your blood stream as your liver
becomes unable to metabolize the excess. Not to mention the
anti-coagulant properties of the drug which could cause one to bleed
to death.

Maybe you're confusing a common combination of Aspirin and Caffeine,
which -is- a vasoconstrictor. Caffeine is commonly used in conjunction
with Aspirin because it causes (mild) vasoconstriction which can aid
in the treatment of mild headaches.

Please, before explaining the effects of a drug, check your PDR or
your local pharmacist.

David A. Reeves. PharmD

[Pyrate]

I don't know aspirin, but Pepto-Bismal will kill cats, a vet told me.

[Panhead]

Pyrate wrote:
>
> I don't know aspirin, but Pepto-Bismal will kill cats, a vet told me.

Nonscense. Pepto-Dismal® cures the tummy ache when said kitty is fed
Bayer© aspirin. It's shot gun blasts that kill cats....and many other
things.

--
Pan-oh, calm down-head.The Zircon AH #49©

[Patrick M. Berry]

In article <338368...@REmovewebspan.net>, Panhead <pan...@REmovewebspan.net> writes:
> Pyrate wrote:
> >
> > I don't know aspirin, but Pepto-Bismal will kill cats, a vet told me.
>
> Nonscense. Pepto-Dismal® cures the tummy ache when said kitty is fed
> Bayer© aspirin. It's shot gun blasts that kill cats....and many other
> things.

What if the shotgun shell is filled with aspirin tablets?

[Lady Pen]

Takes care of two of the nine lives.

Lady Pen
CoT

[Panhead]

No Such Agency wrote:

>
> Panhead <pan...@REmovewebspan.net> wrote:
>
> >Pyrate wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't know aspirin, but Pepto-Bismal will kill cats, a vet told me.
> >
> >Nonscense. Pepto-Dismal® cures the tummy ache when said kitty is fed
> >Bayer© aspirin. It's shot gun blasts that kill cats....and many other
> >things.
>

> I see a lots of condemnation of killing dogs in this newsgroup. Cats
> are pets just like dogs or any other pet. Even though cats are sort
> of independant and stuck up, they deserve to be treated with respect
> just like any other pet.
>
> Armchair Mercenary
> ---

Of course, I was just making a funny (A-Henh!) in regards to the Urban
legend crowd that posted. We all know that you eat cats raw.

--
Pan-is this mike on?-head.The Zircon AH #49©

[Panhead]

Kasey wrote:

> Yes, cats are people, too...albeit of the demi-class. Don't hurt the poor
> things. Humiliate them! Tape up their paws, put a sock over its head, and
> alternate between the helicopter and the wheelbarrow. Failing that: shave
> them.

You forgot the "Spin-Cycle".
(...oh yeah,...rinse first)

--
Panhead.The Zircon AH #49©
---EK-III Paints with me---
http://www.webspan.net/~panhead/

[Stacey Irene Mills]

Yes aspirin can kill cats, it speeds up their hearts until they're beating
way too fast and the cat eventually suffers a kind of heart attack.

[Chris Dunham]

Kasey wrote:

> anti...@mercenary.net (No Such Agency) wrote:

> >I see a lots of condemnation of killing dogs in this newsgroup. Cats
> >are pets just like dogs or any other pet. Even though cats are sort
> >of independant and stuck up, they deserve to be treated with respect
> >just like any other pet.

> Yes, cats are people, too...albeit of the demi-class. Don't hurt the poor

> things. Humiliate them! Tape up their paws, put a sock over its head, and
> alternate between the helicopter and the wheelbarrow. Failing that: shave
> them.

Hmmm... remember Monty Python's Mouse Organ? Just think on that.
Squeek-squeek-squeek-squeek....
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-= ICQ UIN: 321212 -==- AlphaWorld: 20100N 20100E =-
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[Chris Dunham]

No Such Agency wrote:

> I see a lots of condemnation of killing dogs in this newsgroup. Cats
> are pets just like dogs or any other pet. Even though cats are sort
> of independant and stuck up, they deserve to be treated with respect
> just like any other pet.

Yeah, I guess... I knew a guy that would catch fish in local
leech-infested cesspools and feed them lit cherry bombs and heave them
at cars as they passed by. I also remember the drivers being REAL
surprised. There's not really a point to this...

[Momus]

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Chris Dunham wrote:

> Kasey wrote:
> <snip>

>
> > Yes, cats are people, too...albeit of the demi-class. Don't hurt
> the poor
> > things. Humiliate them! Tape up their paws, put a sock over its
> head, and
> > alternate between the helicopter and the wheelbarrow. Failing that:
> shave
> > them.
>
> Hmmm... remember Monty Python's Mouse Organ? Just think on that.
> Squeek-squeek-squeek-squeek....
>

One of the few Python skits that didn't amuse me.

The Cat Organ was actually a popular form of entertainment, and feline
torture was a part of "animal musical performances" as late as the 18th
century. It began with a crude apparatus that pulled the tails of the
animals to make them howl on cue, and was later replaced by a series of
spikes that provoked a piteous mewing when an "organ" key was hit.

Not nice. Not nice at all.

And Kasey, if you want to humiliate a cat, all you have to do is give it
a bath. A most insufferable indignity to any member of any of the 35
species of family felidae. Even an Asian Leopard Cat hybrid (Bengal) who
loves to swim is most offended at the idea of being *washed* by a common
hominid. It's insulting. I get the evil eye for days after bathing
mine.

Momus

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<P>> Yes, cats are people, too...albeit of the demi-class.&nbsp; Don't
hurt the poor
<BR>> things.&nbsp; Humiliate them!&nbsp; Tape up their paws, put a sock
over its head, and
<BR>> alternate between the helicopter and the wheelbarrow.&nbsp; Failing
that: shave
<BR>> them.

<P>Hmmm... remember Monty Python's Mouse Organ? Just think on that.
<BR>Squeek-squeek-squeek-squeek....
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
One of the few Python skits that didn't amuse me.

<P>The Cat Organ was actually a popular form of entertainment, and feline
torture was a part of "animal musical performances"&nbsp; as late as the
18th century. It began with a crude apparatus that pulled the tails of
the animals to make them howl on cue, and was later replaced by a series
of spikes that provoked a piteous mewing when an "organ" key was hit.

<P>Not nice. Not nice at all.

<P>And Kasey, if you want to humiliate a cat, all you have to do is give
it a bath. A most insufferable indignity to any member of any of the 35
species of family <I>felidae. </I>Even an Asian Leopard Cat hybrid (Bengal)
who loves to swim is most offended at the idea of being *washed* by a common
hominid. It's <B>insulting</B>.&nbsp; I get the evil eye for days after
bathing mine.

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[Ron Schwarz]

On Wed, 21 May 1997 13:07:58 -0400, Pyrate <pyr...@wwdg.com> wrote:

>I don't know aspirin, but Pepto-Bismal will kill cats, a vet told me.

Uh, get a new vet. We recently had our vet prescribe Pepto-Bismal for
our cat (a rescued farm-dropoff who was feeling real bad) who
responded well to the treatment.

--
My ISP bought the big T1 in the sky. I'll post a how-to
email me on my web page at my new ISP soon.

[peter f wick]

JQP (Tar...@TheVortex.Com) wrote:
: Stacey Irene Mills wrote:
: >
: > To Ladypen GET A LIFE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Noone asked you.

: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Generation X Translator -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

: To: Ladypen

: Get a life! No one asked you.

: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Generation X Translator -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

ROTFL!! BTW, Ms. Mills, just why is it that aspirin will induce the
cardiovascular effects you assert? I would really like to know so I can
change my lecture notes before tonight's class. I'm really glad I look
in on this group, I might have never found that info in the medical
library.

Peter Wick

[Henrik Brameus]

Yeah, but drop a few hundred pounds of it on the cat, and you'll se that
its chances of survival are quite slim.

Henrik "Anything kills in large enough doses" Brameus
--
All opinions above are mine, but can be yours for a small fee.
(remove crap after email address for correct address)

Ron Schwarz <s...@sig.to.email> wrote in article
<33ae4e6c....@n2.supernews.com>...

[Scott Blaha]

Momus wrote:
>
> The Cat Organ was actually a popular form of entertainment, and feline
> torture was a part of "animal musical performances" as late as the
> 18th century. It began with a crude apparatus that pulled the tails of
> the animals to make them howl on cue, and was later replaced by a
> series of spikes that provoked a piteous mewing when an "organ" key
> was hit.

Hey! What a great idea. Finally, a use for the little *felines*! Say,
you wouldn't know where a person could _find_ one of these, do you?
Or maybe just the blueprints to make one...? I can't get much of a
tune out of them by just using a sharp stick...

[Lady Pen]

I'm sure her oh-so-unsubstantiated claim went over real well on a.f.u
too. They just luuuuuuv it when someone makes a claim without cites.
Wonder if she'll [attempt to] flame me for this statement as well.....
welp, gotta go - I'm off to get a life....

Lady Pen

[Lady Pen]

The Bartender wrote:
>
> Lady Pen <ale...@bigfoot.com> spewed forth:
>
> >:welp, gotta go - I'm off to get a life....
> >:
> >:Lady Pen
>
> I've got one I'm a bit too busy to use, wanna borrow it?
>
> Tracker

Only if it's rich and fulfilling. If it's sedate and dull (as is the one
I'm currently using), I'll pass, thanks...

Lady Pen

[JQP]

Momus wrote:
>
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Chris Dunham wrote:
>
> Kasey wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > Yes, cats are people, too...albeit of the demi-class.
> Don't hurt the poor
> > things. Humiliate them! Tape up their paws, put a sock
> over its head, and
> > alternate between the helicopter and the wheelbarrow.
> Failing that: shave
> > them.
>
> Hmmm... remember Monty Python's Mouse Organ? Just think on
> that.
> Squeek-squeek-squeek-squeek....
>
> One of the few Python skits that didn't amuse me.
>

> The Cat Organ was actually a popular form of entertainment, and feline
> torture was a part of "animal musical performances" as late as the
> 18th century. It began with a crude apparatus that pulled the tails of
> the animals to make them howl on cue, and was later replaced by a
> series of spikes that provoked a piteous mewing when an "organ" key
> was hit.
>

> Not nice. Not nice at all.
>
> And Kasey, if you want to humiliate a cat, all you have to do is give
> it a bath. A most insufferable indignity to any member of any of the
> 35 species of family felidae. Even an Asian Leopard Cat hybrid
> (Bengal) who loves to swim is most offended at the idea of being
> *washed* by a common hominid. It's insulting. I get the evil eye for
> days after bathing mine.
>
> Momus

It's not the bath part that bothers them. It's the licking the fur coat
dry. Imagine how you would feel if someone made you lick an *entire* fur
coat dry for no reason.

[Kasey]

I hear Wal-Mart is offering a discount on lives.
$9.99 with coupon.

Kasey
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/5147

[Kasey]

On Fri, 23 May 1997 00:05:12 +0000, Momus
<all.compu...@the.same.speed> wrote:

>And Kasey, if you want to humiliate a cat, all you have to do is give it
>a bath. A most insufferable indignity to any member of any of the 35
>species of family felidae. Even an Asian Leopard Cat hybrid (Bengal) who
>loves to swim is most offended at the idea of being *washed* by a common
>hominid. It's insulting. I get the evil eye for days after bathing
>mine.
>
>Momus

A bath works for a short time, but once they're dry they walk around
thinking they're the cat's ass. One should get a good laugh out of
torment. My personal favourite is to sneak up on 'em, roar, then watch as
they do a 360 four feet from the ground.

Kasey
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/5147

[Lady Pen]

The Bartender wrote:
>
> un...@space.net.au (Uncle Brian) spewed forth:
>
> >:>+I love cats, taste just like chicken.
> >:>+
> >:>+Tracker
> >:>+
> >:You _could_ say they taste just like pussy.
> >:
> >:(Alright, alright, I know, 30 days in the corner.)
> >:
> >:Uncle Brian
> >:
>
> For that one, you don't even have access to the kimchi jars.
>
> Tracker

That may be a blessing in disguise... [cough cough gag]

Lady Pen

[David Arcand]

Another way is with Automotive Radiator Anti-Freeze.
It taste sweet and poisons them.

[Panhead]

JQP wrote:

>
> David Arcand wrote:
> >
> > Another way is with Automotive Radiator Anti-Freeze.
> > It taste sweet and poisons them.
>

> Where have you been for the last 5 years?
> The industry has changed the formula, it is no longer appealing to
> animals.

He's probably using the stuff in *his* radiator.
(your supposed to change that every now and then ya know)

[JQP]

[smit...@nunya.biz]

Panhead <pan...@removewebspan.net> wrote:

>He's probably using the stuff in *his* radiator.
> (your supposed to change that every now and then ya know)
>--

> Panhead.The Zircon AH #49?

Great. Now you tell me. I've been trying to get rid of these trays for months.

I tried the aspirin trick. They took one sniff and walked off. The antifreeze
had the same appeal.

Guess I'll have to use the old .22 standby.

Hey, if you're bored, check out my attempt at html code.
It is a boycot on an Internet content regulation program.
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/3561

[Lizz Braver]

>>
>> David Arcand wrote:
>> >
>> > Another way is with Automotive Radiator Anti-Freeze.
>> > It taste sweet and poisons them.

Oh, you mean, "Sewergutter Kool-Aid."

Lizz "Jackalope HTH" Braver

[Susan Mudgett aka little gator]

JQP (Tar...@TheVortex.Com) wrote:

: David Arcand wrote:
: >
: > Another way is with Automotive Radiator Anti-Freeze.
: > It taste sweet and poisons them.

: Where have you been for the last 5 years?

: The industry has changed the formula, it is no longer appealing to
: animals.

The old formula is still used much more than the new one, and the new
formula is less toxic than the old, but is still poisonous. Your claim
is the first I've heard about its comparative appeal to animals.

[M. Artiste]

> When I was at a garage, there was a warning to be careful disposing of used
> anti-freeze as it was toxic to animals. Cats were prone to licking it up
> since it tasted sweet to them. Things may have changed but you still see
> the same warnings in garages.
>
> If someone is looking for a more foolproof way of ridding the cats in their
> life, then why not catnip laced with rat poison ?

Grab the life vests! the maturity level in this NG is dropping fast.
Killing animals. That's your "revenge". Pathetic. The fraternity guy
is looking better and better.

[Lord John Q. Public]

Susan Mudgett aka little gator wrote:

> JQP (Tar...@TheVortex.Com) wrote:

> : David Arcand wrote:
> : >
> : > Another way is with Automotive Radiator Anti-Freeze.
> : > It taste sweet and poisons them.
>
> : Where have you been for the last 5 years?
> : The industry has changed the formula, it is no longer appealing to
> : animals.
>
> The old formula is still used much more than the new one, and the new
> formula is less toxic than the old, but is still poisonous. Your claim
>
> is the first I've heard about its comparative appeal to animals.

From the news bite I read, the new formula was to have replaced the
old in 1990. One of the characteristics of the new varity was a
different smell that was less appealing to animals. I haven't done any
indepth research on the matter, but the answer I supplied was correct to
the best of my knowledge.
Anyone else have information on the subject?

[e.art...@gmail.com]

Yes..cats lack the enzyme that breaks down the toxins in aspirin so too much will kill a cat. And too much is more than .5 to a whole tablet of any over the counter aspirin. You should also know that cats love to hide to die. I live in a rural area and the farm cats hide under the house and die. There isn't a way to tell until the smell! And that I think is far worse than some cats hanging out every now and then. Hope this helps!!

[sima...@gmail.com]

Asprin will kill them. You can spray your hard with natural miracles to keep cats away. Your husband seems evil.

[rbel...@gmail.com]

You do know it is illegal to kill someones cat. In ohio you will go to jail. New law goddard's law

[purein...@gmail.com]

Yes it does .. mix with milk .. they basically go to sleep .. quite humane .. don't worry about any laws unless there is a collar and name tag saying patches .. otherwise it is fair game .. we had a stray cat scratch and bit one of the kids and just wouldn't go away .. we ended up feeding it for a couple of days and giving it a drink of milk (with aspro clear, and that was that .. cheap and humane .. most people frown upon a dog hat snaps at a stranger .. I am the same with cats .. bite and you won't do it again

[perry....@gmail.com]

All I want to know is how to kill cats. It can't be that hard.

[summerbr...@gmail.com]

On Monday, March 17, 1997 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-8, Alina Holgate wrote:
> I was told by a friend of mine that if a cat drinks milk with a
> crushed aspirin in it the cat will die. Does anyone know if this
> is even vaguely true? Please respond before my husband tries this
> out on the three or four neighbourhood cats who regularly make a
> nuisance of themselves in our yard.

do not give aspirin to any animal, especially a cat. it will kill them.