The Natural Alliance Between Christianity, Judaism and Islam
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The Natural Alliance Between Christianity, Judaism and Islam
Harun Yahya
Islam is a religion of peace, love and tolerance. However, today, some
circles have been trying to portray Islam with a wrong image. They are
trying to create a false image, as if there is a conflict between
Islam and the adherents of two other monotheistic religions. Yet, the
outlook of Islam on Jews and Christians, who are named as "the People
of the Book" in the Koran, is very friendly and tolerant.
The attitude of Islam towards the People of the Book developed during
the years of the birth of Islam. As known, at that time, Muslims were
a minority, who were struggling to protect their faith under pressures
and tortures of the pagans of the city of Mecca. Due to the severe
persecution, some Muslims decided to flee Mecca and take refuge in a
safe country with a just ruler. Prophet Muhammad told them to take
refuge in King Nedjashi, the Christian king of Ethiopia. The Muslims
following this advice found a very fair administration that embraced
them with love and respect when they went to Ethiopia. The King
Nedjashi refused the demands of pagan messengers who asked him to
surrender Muslims to themselves and announced that Muslims could live
in his country freely.
Such attitudes of Christian people that are based on the concepts of
compassion, mercy, modesty and justice, constitute a fact that God has
pointed out in the Koran. A verse of the Koran states as follows:
ů You will find the people most affectionate to those who believe are
those who say, 'We are Christians.' That is because some of them are
priests and monks and because they are not arrogant. (Surat al-Ma'ida,
82)
The Common Beliefs and Values of the People of the Book with Muslims
Beliefs of Christians and Muslims are common in many aspects.
Similarly, also Judaism shares many beliefs with Islam. All the true
adherents of these three great religions:
" believe that God has created entire universe out of nothing
and He dominates all existence with His omnipotence.
" believe that God has created man and living beings in a
miraculous way and that man owns a spirit granted by God.
" believe that beside Jesus Christ, Moses or Mohammed, God sent
down, throughout the history, many Prophets like Noah, Abraham, Isaac
or Joseph and they love all these prophets.
" believe in resurrection, the existence of Paradise and Hell,
existence of angels and believe that God has created our lives upon a
destiny.
The beliefs of the People of the Book are in harmony with Muslims not
only in terms of faith related issues but also regarding moral values.
Today, in a world where such immoralities as adultery, homosexuality,
drug addiction and a model of egoist, self-seeking, cruel people have
been becoming widespread, the People of the Book and Muslims share
same virtues: Honor, chastity, humbleness, self-sacrifice, honesty,
compassion, mercy and love without any expectation in returnů
According To The Koran, Muslims, Jews And Christians Should Live In
Friendship
It is evident there are ample grounds for an alliance between the
"People of the Book" and the Muslims. This is also very evident in the
Koran. In the related verses of the Koran, there is a significant
difference between the People of the Book and the idolaters. This is
especially emphasized in the area of social life. For example, it is
said concerning the idolaters: "(they) are unclean, so after this year
they should not come near the Masjid al-Haram (Kaaba)." (Surat
at-Tawba: 28) Idolaters are people who obey no divine law, have no
moral precepts and who can commit every kind of degrading and perverse
deed without hesitation.
But the People of the Book, while they rely basically on God's
revelation, have moral precepts and know what is lawful and what is
not. For this reason, if one of the People of the Book cooks some
food, it is lawful for Muslims to eat it. In the same way, permission
has been given to a Muslim man to marry a woman from among the People
of the Book. On this subject God commands:
Today all good things have been made lawful for you. And the food of
those given the Book is also lawful for you and your food is lawful
for them. So are chaste women from among the believers and chaste
women of those given the Book before you, once you have given them
their dowries in marriage, not in fornication or taking them as
lovers. But as for anyone who disbelieve, his actions will come to
nothing and in the hereafter he will be among the losers. (Surat
al-Mai'da: 5)
These commands show that bonds of kinship may be established as a
result of the marriage of a Muslim with a woman from the People of the
Book and that those on each side of the union can accept an invitation
to a meal. These are the fundamentals that will ensure the
establishment of equitable human relationships and a happy communal
life. Since the Koran enjoins this equitable and tolerant attitude, it
is unthinkable that a Muslim could take an opposing view.
Monasteries, Churches And Synagogues Should Be Respected
Another important fact we learn from the Koran is that Muslims must
respect Jewish and Christian places of worship. In the Koran, the
places of worship of the people of the book, i.e. monasteries,
churches and synagogues, are mentioned as places of worship protected
by God.
ůif God had not driven some people back by means of others,
monasteries, churches, synagogues and mosques, where God's name is
mentioned much, would have been pulled down and destroyed. God will
certainly help those who help Him - God is All-Strong, Almighty.
(Surat al-Hajj: 40 )
This verse shows to every Muslim the importance of respecting and
protecting the sanctuaries of Christians and Jews.
Indeed, in the Koran, God commands Muslims not to harbor any enmity
toward any people. In many verses, friendship is recommended even with
the idolaters. God even refers to the idolaters at war with Muslims
like this: "If any of the idolaters ask you for protection, give them
protection until they have heard the words of God. Then convey them to
a place where they are safe." (Surat at-Tawba: 6)
Jews and Christians, however, are much closer to Muslims than
idolaters. Each of these religions has its book, that is, they are
subject to a revelation sent down by God. They know what is right and
what is wrong, what is lawful and what is unlawful. They know they
will give an account to God and they love and revere His prophets.
This shows that Muslims and the people of the book can live easily
together and cooperate.
The Common Enemies of the Faith
Another important fact that draws Christianity, Judaism and Islam
together is the atheist philosophies that are influential in our age.
Among the most well-known and the most harmful philosophies of our age
can be listed as materialism, communism, fascism, anarchism, racism,
or secular humanism. Many people who believed in the fake diagnoses,
deceiving descriptions and explanations of these ideas on universe,
society and man, lost his faith or doubted it. What is more, these
ideologies have dragged people, societies and nations into great
crisis, conflicts, and wars. Their share in pains and troubles that
humanity suffer today is immense.
While they deny God and creation, all above-mentioned ideologies are
based on a common basis, a so-called scientific basis; the theory of
evolution by Charles Darwin. Darwinism constitutes the basis of
atheist philosophies. This theory claims that, living beings have
evolved as a result of coincidences and by means of a struggle for
life. Therefore, Darwinism gives this deceptive message to the minds
of the people:
"You are not responsible to anyone, you owe your life to coincidences,
you need to struggle, if necessary need to oppress others to win. This
world is a world of conflict and interest".
This evil morality advises people to be egoist, self-seeking, cruel
and oppressive. It destroys such virtues like mercy, compassion,
self-sacrifice, humbleness, the very moral values of the three great
monotheistic religions.
Facing this fact, it is necessary for the people of the Book and the
Muslims to cooperate, who believe in God and accept the good morals
that He teaches. The followers of these three religions should expose
to the world the fallacy of Darwinism, which does not have any
scientific basis but is tried to be preserved for the sake of
materialist philosophy. They should cooperatively carry out an
intellectual struggle against all other deceptive thoughts that serve
atheism. Once this is realized, the world will, in a very short time,
embrace peace, tranquillity and justice.
Conclusion: "Let's Come to a Common Term"
At a time when anti-religious, atheist and materialist ideologies
surround the world, similarities among Theistic religions should be
emphasized and a cooperation should be established for common aims.
Concerning the People of the Book, God gives Muslims a command in the
Koran; to call them to a common term:
O People of the Book! come to a common term as between us and you:
That we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with him;
that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than
God. (Surat al 'Imran, 64)
This is our call to Christians and Jews indeed: As people who believe
in God and follows His revelations, let's come together with a common
term which is "faith". Let's love God, Who is our Creator and Lord,
and follow His commands. And let's pray God to lead us to even a
straighter path.
When Muslims, Christians and Jews come together with a common term
this way;
When they understand that they are the friends not enemies of one
another,
When they see that the real enemy is atheism and paganism,
than, the world will become a much more different place.
The fights that are waged for ages, enmities, fears-and terrorist
attacks-will come to an end and a new civilization that is based on
love, respect and peace will be established upon a "common term".
Paul A Storm
"People Of The Book" & The Muslims
The Natural Alliance Between Christianity, Judaism and IslamHarun Yahya
Islam is a religion of peace, love and tolerance.
However, today, some circles have been trying to portray Islam with a wrong image.
They are trying to create a false image, as if there is a conflict between Islam and the adherents of two other monotheistic religions.
Yet, the outlook of Islam on Jews and Christians, who are named as "the People of the Book" in the Koran, is very friendly and tolerant.
The attitude of Islam towards the People of the Book developed during the years of the birth of Islam. As known, at that time, Muslims were a minority, who were struggling to protect their faith under pressures
and tortures of the pagans of the city of Mecca.
Due to the severe persecution, some Muslims decided to flee Mecca and take refuge in a safe country with a just ruler. Prophet Muhammad told them to take refuge in King Nedjashi, the Christian king of Ethiopia. The Muslims following this advice found a very fair administration that embraced them with love and respect when they went to Ethiopia. The King Nedjashi refused the demands of pagan messengers who asked him to
surrender Muslims to themselves and announced that Muslims could live in his country freely.
Such attitudes of Christian people that are based on the concepts of compassion, mercy, modesty and justice, constitute a fact that God has pointed out in the Koran. A verse of the Koran states as follows: ? You will find the people most affectionate to those who believe are those who say, 'We are Christians.' That is because some of them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant. (Surat al-Ma'ida,It also says in the Koran to fight with Christians and Jews until you convert them, force them to pay tributary usurious taxes, or kill them.
82)
The Common Beliefs and Values of the People of the Book with Muslims Beliefs of Christians and Muslims are common in many aspects. Similarly, also Judaism shares many beliefs with Islam. All the true adherents of these three great religions:
" believe that God has created entire universe out of nothing and He dominates all existence with His omnipotence.
" believe that God has created man and living beings in a miraculous way and that man owns a spirit granted by God.
" believe that beside Jesus Christ, Moses or Mohammed, God sent down, throughout the history, many Prophets like Noah, Abraham, Isaac or Joseph and they love all these prophets.
" believe in resurrection, the existence of Paradise and Hell, existence of angels and believe that God has created our lives upon a destiny.
The beliefs of the People of the Book are in harmony with Muslims not only in terms of faith related issues but also regarding moral values. Today, in a world where such immoralities as adultery, homosexuality, drug addiction and a model of egoist, self-seeking, cruel people have been becoming widespread, the People of the Book and Muslims share same virtues: Honor, chastity, humbleness, self-sacrifice, honesty, compassion, mercy and love without any expectation in return?
According To The Koran, Muslims, Jews And Christians Should Live In Friendship
It is evident there are ample grounds for an alliance between the "People of the Book" and the Muslims.
This is also very evident in the Koran. In the related verses of the Koran, there is a significant difference between the People of the Book and the idolaters.
This is especially emphasized in the area of social life. For example, it is said concerning the idolaters: "(they) are unclean, so after this year they should not come near the Masjid al-Haram (Kaaba)." (Surat at-Tawba: 28) Idolaters are people who obey no divine law, have no moral precepts and who can commit every kind of degrading and perverse deed without hesitation.
But the People of the Book, while they rely basically on God's revelation, have moral precepts and know what is lawful and what is not. For this reason, if one of the People of the Book cooks some food, it is lawful for Muslims to eat it.
In the same way, permission has been given to a Muslim man to marry a woman from among the People
of the Book.
On this subject God commands: Today all good things have been made lawful for you. And the food of
those given the Book is also lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. So are chaste women from among the believers and chaste women of those given the Book before you, once you have given them their dowries in marriage, not in fornication or taking them as lovers. But as for anyone who disbelieve, his actions will come to nothing and in the hereafter he will be among the losers. (Surat al-Mai'da: 5) These commands show that bonds of kinship may be established as a result of the marriage of a Muslim with a woman from the People of the Book and that those on each side of the union can accept an invitation to a meal. These are the fundamentals that will ensure the establishment of equitable human relationships and a happy communal
life. Since the Koran enjoins this equitable and tolerant attitude, it is unthinkable that a Muslim could take an opposing view.
So do you know a nice Muslim woman that want to marry a Jew?
Monasteries, Churches And Synagogues Should Be Respected Another important fact we learn from the Koran is that Muslims must respect Jewish and Christian places of worship.
Respect them by taking them by force and converting them into Muslim shrines. Does Joseph's Tomb ring a bell? How about the Church of the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul(Constantinople)? Or the Ha Mikadaish(Holy Temple)?
In the Koran, the places of worship of the people of the book, i.e. monasteries, churches and synagogues, are mentioned as places of worship protected by God.
And converting into Muslim sites by force and theft.
?if God had not driven some people back by means of others, monasteries, churches, synagogues and mosques, where God's name is mentioned much, would have been pulled down and destroyed. God will
certainly help those who help Him - God is All-Strong, Almighty. (Surat al-Hajj: 40 ) This verse shows to every Muslim the importance of respecting and protecting the sanctuaries of Christians and Jews.
Indeed, in the Koran, God commands Muslims not to harbor any enmity toward any people.
Yet many of them do.
In many verses, friendship is recommended even with the idolaters.
The Koran specifically says to not call non-Muslims friends.
God even refers to the idolaters at war with Muslims like this: "If any of the idolaters ask you for protection, give them protection until they have heard the words of God. Then convey them to a place where they are safe." (Surat at-Tawba: 6)
"Protection" does not mean "friendship". Organized crime offers "protection" too.
Jews and Christians, however, are much closer to Muslims than idolaters. Each of these religions has its book, that is, they are subject to a revelation sent down by God. They know what is right and what is wrong, what is lawful and what is unlawful. They know they will give an account to God and they love and revere His prophets. This shows that Muslims and the people of the book can live easily together and cooperate.
That doesn't show any such thing. It only underscores the fewer key fundamental differences among them.
The Common Enemies of the Faith
Another important fact that draws Christianity, Judaism and Islam together is the atheist philosophies that are influential in our age.
More people are suffering from conflicts between the various Abrahamic religions than between Abrahamic religions and atheists.
Among the most well-known and the most harmful philosophies of our age can be listed as materialism, communism, fascism, anarchism, racism, or secular humanism. Many people who believed in the fake diagnoses, deceiving descriptions and explanations of these ideas on universe, society and man, lost his faith or doubted it. What is more, these ideologies have dragged people, societies and nations into great crisis, conflicts, and wars. Their share in pains and troubles that humanity suffer today is immense.
Feel free to explain the killing be perpetrated today in: Aceh, the Moluccas, the Philippines, the Sudan, the Kashmir, Nigeria, Bosnia, Macedonia, Chechnya, Timor, etc. All of which involve conflicts between Muslims and Christians.
While they deny God and creation, all above-mentioned ideologies are based on a common basis, a so-called scientific basis; the theory of evolution by Charles Darwin. Darwinism constitutes the basis of
atheist philosophies. This theory claims that, living beings have evolved as a result of coincidences and by means of a struggle for life. Therefore, Darwinism gives this deceptive message to the minds of the people:
"You are not responsible to anyone, you owe your life to coincidences, you need to struggle, if necessary need to oppress others to win. This world is a world of conflict and interest". This evil morality advises people to be egoist, self-seeking, cruel and oppressive. It destroys such virtues like mercy, compassion, self-sacrifice, humbleness, the very moral values of the three great monotheistic religions.
Facing this fact, it is necessary for the people of the Book and the Muslims to cooperate, who believe in God and accept the good morals that He teaches.
No it isn't.
The followers of these three religions should expose to the world the fallacy of Darwinism, which does not have any scientific basis but is tried to be preserved for the sake of materialist philosophy. They should cooperatively carry out an intellectual struggle against all other deceptive thoughts that serve atheism.
Christianity and Judaism are more threatened by Islam than atheism.
Once this is realized, the world will, in a very short time, embrace peace, tranquillity and justice.
Nonsense.
Conclusion: "Let's Come to a Common Term"
At a time when anti-religious, atheist and materialist ideologies surround the world, similarities among Theistic religions should be emphasized and a cooperation should be established for common aims. Concerning the People of the Book, God gives Muslims a command in the Koran; to call them to a common term: O People of the Book! come to a common term as between us and you: That we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than God. (Surat al 'Imran, 64)
This is our call to Christians and Jews indeed: As people who believe in God and follows His revelations, let's come together with a common term which is "faith". Let's love God, Who is our Creator and Lord, and follow His commands. And let's pray God to lead us to even a straighter path. When Muslims, Christians and Jews come together with a common term this way; When they understand that they are the friends not enemies of one another, When they see that the real enemy is atheism and paganism, than, the world will become a much more different place. The fights that are waged for ages, enmities, fears-and terrorist attacks-will come to an end and a new civilization that is based on love, respect and peace will be established upon a "common term".
I have a better idea. Muslims should clean up their own act before presuming to preach to others about how to achieve peace.
-- My perspicacity is only eclipsed by my pertinacity
David Vorous
>
> Islam is a religion of peace, love and tolerance....
No religion is about those things. The best thing to do would
be to bet rid of religions and their gods altogether.
--
David J. Vorous
Yosemite Llama Ranch
da...@TheLlamaRanch.com
http://www.TheLlamaRanch.com
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Paul A Storm
idt2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Islam is a religion of peace, love and tolerance....No religion is about those things. The best thing to do would
be to bet rid of religions and their gods altogether.
And those Quakers, they're worse than the Mafia.
Don't be fooled by all those Jehovah's witnesses that died in the Third Reich claiming to be pacifists. Sure they died rather than kill others, but that was just a trick.
Then there's that Dalai Lama guy. We all know he's just biding his time until he strikes.
Or that Mother Theresa lady, you have to watch those nuns feeding starving lepers.
David Vorous
>
> David Vorous wrote:
>
> > idt2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Islam is a religion of peace, love and tolerance....
> >
> > No religion is about those things. The best thing to do
> > would
> > be to bet rid of religions and their gods altogether.
>
> Yeah, like that Mahatma Gandhi guy, he was really violent.
He broke the law, didn't he? Gods and religions have outlived
their usefulness. It's time to get rid of them.
Spoon®!
>
> Paul A Storm wrote:
> >
> > David Vorous wrote:
> >
> > > idt2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Islam is a religion of peace, love and tolerance....
> > >
> > > No religion is about those things. The best thing to do
> > > would
> > > be to bet rid of religions and their gods altogether.
> >
> > Yeah, like that Mahatma Gandhi guy, he was really violent.
>
> He broke the law, didn't he? Gods and religions have outlived
> their usefulness. It's time to get rid of them.
>
Also, though many such as you and I do NOT need organizied religion,
there are still many who need it for the same reason it came into being:
to explain things that we either can't explain ourselves, or can't
comprehend the explanations given to us. I say that there needs to be
an organization that nurtures free thought and choice when it comes to
religion. A system of teaching about ALL philosophies on religion (that
does include atheism) equally, as the interests of the student dictate.
I reiterate: many people need something to put their faith, some others
do not.
and btw: BR FOREVER, I can't wait for Process of Belief!
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"Paul A Storm" <paul.a...@lmco.com> wrote in message news:3BB5082D...@lmco.com...
David Vorous wrote:idt2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Islam is a religion of peace, love and tolerance....No religion is about those things. The best thing to do would
be to bet rid of religions and their gods altogether.
Yeha, licke thet Mahatha Gungho guppy, he was rally violet.And those Quakers, they're borse than the Mofo.
Don't be drooled by all those Jevohaha's witnurses that dud in the Fortieth Reich cliimbing to be dictators. Sure they pood rather than kut others, but that was just a crumpet.
Thin thar's that Dolly Lamoma guy. We all know it's just biting his tail until he smells.
Or that Brother Theresa lady, you have to watch those nuns frisking starving leapers.
-- My perspicacity is only eclipsed by my porkinacity
David Vorous
>
> David Vorous wrote:
> >
> > Paul A Storm wrote:
> > >
> > > David Vorous wrote:
> > >
> > > > idt2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Islam is a religion of peace, love and tolerance....
> > > >
> > > > No religion is about those things. The best thing to do
> > > > would
> > > > be to bet rid of religions and their gods altogether.
> > >
> > > Yeah, like that Mahatma Gandhi guy, he was really violent.
> >
> > He broke the law, didn't he? Gods and religions have outlived
> > their usefulness. It's time to get rid of them.
> >
> What does law have to do with peace love and tolerance?
He had no love or tolerance for the law so he chose to break
it.
> Also, though many such as you and I do NOT need organizied religion,
> there are still many who need it for the same reason it came into being:
> to explain things that we either can't explain ourselves, or can't
> comprehend the explanations given to us. I say that there needs to be
> an organization that nurtures free thought and choice when it comes to
> religion. A system of teaching about ALL philosophies on religion (that
> does include atheism) equally, as the interests of the student dictate.
> I reiterate: many people need something to put their faith, some others
> do not.
I don't think anyone needs that stuff. All you have to do is
teach kids how to think for themselves. Now kids are being
taught what to think instead of how to think. Most people are
not morons that need to be told what to think and do. If
someone doesn't understand something, explain it to them
instead of just saying a god wanted it that way. You and I and
not special people that think better than anyone else.
Everyone (except for those few special people with learning
disabilities and impairments) can learn how to think.
> and btw: BR FOREVER, I can't wait for Process of Belief!
?
Rex Iscariot
> Also, though many such as you and I do NOT need organizied religion,
> there are still many who need it for the same reason it came into being:
> to explain things that we either can't explain ourselves, or can't
> comprehend the explanations given to us. I say that there needs to be
> an organization that nurtures free thought and choice when it comes to
> religion. A system of teaching about ALL philosophies on religion (that
> does include atheism) equally, as the interests of the student dictate.
> I reiterate: many people need something to put their faith, some others
> do not.
Well, this is true for many people, but for some religion is a more
palatable set of metaphors to describe basic natural processes. You can
find good people in most faiths, but they are generally people who have a
critical mind and/or are "cafeteria believers" - they take what they want
from their respective holy books and leave the rest.
Some people respond better to science than metaphors; such is the case with
the Rationalist, which is sort of what I am. I've not found the need to
invent things to explain the unknown. As to our origin as a species, I am
quite comfortable saying that I don't know. But I find the various creation
myths highly unlikely when compared to the various scientific theories.
I believe a religion becomes destructive when:
(*) A person is not free to leave that religion without risking
extensive personal harm, exile, or ostracism.
(*) The central authority in the religion is an individual. Like
L. Ron Hubbard. By this I mean, that what is "true" in the
religion is not derived from reasoning in the religion's holy
book or observable reality, but by proclamation alone.
(*) It attempts to assert any form of political power, especially
over non-believers.
(*) Asserts fundamentally different rules for different people
based on gender or race.
(*) Employs "thought-stopping techniques" (Hassan's term). Meaning,
questioning religious dogma is in and of itself considered evil.
I do not believe any religion can be just if it has the concept
of thoughtcrime.
Is the world better for Islam? I don't think so. Many Islamic
civilizations have contributed mightily to math, art, philosophy, science,
etc. but I'm not sure that those contributions really had much to do with
Islam itself. I am not, however, very educated on this particular subject.
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Ahriman
idt2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > Islam is a religion of peace, love and tolerance....
> > No religion is about those things. The best thing to do would
> > be to bet rid of religions and their gods altogether.
> Yeah, like that Mahatma Gandhi guy, he was really violent.
Did he need to be religious to be non-violent?
> And those Quakers, they're worse than the Mafia.
Do they need to be religious to be non-violent?
> Don't be fooled by all those Jehovah's witnesses that died in the Third
Reich claiming to be pacifists. Sure ?> they died rather than kill others,
but that was just a trick.
No, in their case it was a rare case of evolution in action.
> Then there's that Dalai Lama guy. We all know he's just biding his time
until he strikes.
Does he have to be religious to be non-violent?
> Or that Mother Theresa lady, you have to watch those nuns feeding starving
lepers.
Did she have to be religious in order to be charitable?
Let's redress the balance.
The SS were a lovely bunch of christians. Their bring-a-bake nights were
legendary.
The Inquisition were noted for their position on religious tolerance.
The Crusaders were legendary for the just way they treated the men, women
and children of Jerusalem after they besieged it.
The IRA are widely respected for their attitude towards other christians.
Osama bin Laden is really just a big softy.
Ahriman
Moi Aussi
In my own response on this discussion thread ("Moi
Aussi", Tuesday, September 25, 2001), one line appears
to have been deleted unintentionally from my text.
To set the record straight, herewith is the missing
line as an insert:
... [A]s every school child in our neighbouring
countries should be learning, the right to this
free choice is ensconced in the American Bill of
Rights in the U. S. Constitution, [and in the
Canadian Charter of Rights and] Freedoms.
Quan Yin
Vancouver, B. C.
Canada
Mr. Ben
>> What does law have to do with peace love and tolerance?
>
>He had no love or tolerance for the law so he chose to break
>it.
One doesn't have to love or tolerate the law. Sometimes the law prevents
people from loving and/or tolerating one another. In that case, it
shouldn't just be broken, it should be smashed!
>> Also, though many such as you and I do NOT need organizied religion,
>> there are still many who need it for the same reason it came into being:
>> to explain things that we either can't explain ourselves, or can't
>> comprehend the explanations given to us. I say that there needs to be
>> an organization that nurtures free thought and choice when it comes to
>> religion. A system of teaching about ALL philosophies on religion (that
>> does include atheism) equally, as the interests of the student dictate.
>> I reiterate: many people need something to put their faith, some others
>> do not.
>
>I don't think anyone needs that stuff. All you have to do is
>teach kids how to think for themselves. Now kids are being
>taught what to think instead of how to think. Most people are
>not morons that need to be told what to think and do. If
>someone doesn't understand something, explain it to them
>instead of just saying a god wanted it that way. You and I and
>not special people that think better than anyone else.
I'll agree with that.
"All religions make me wanna throw up / all religions make me ill!" - Dead
Kennedys
>> and btw: BR FOREVER, I can't wait for Process of Belief!
>
>?
Bad Religion. They're a good band, check them out.
David Vorous
>
> >> What does law have to do with peace love and tolerance?
> >
> >He had no love or tolerance for the law so he chose to break
> >it.
>
> One doesn't have to love or tolerate the law. Sometimes the law prevents
> people from loving and/or tolerating one another. In that case, it
> shouldn't just be broken, it should be smashed!
Religions more than any law prevent people from loving and/or
tolerating one another. Imagine there is no heaven......
Mr. Ben
David Vorous wrote in message <3BC0E653...@thellamaranch.com>...
>
> Imagine there is no heaven......
Hippy.
Morten Galåsen
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<snip>
Well, the most important thing is if you checked out Bad Religion as Ben
told you to.
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Morten
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"Vi har Norges beste supportere, og da er det viktig at stadion står i
stil" - Arne Erlandsen
David Vorous
So.
David Vorous
>
> "David Vorous" <da...@thellamaranch.com> skrev i melding
> news:3BC0E653...@thellamaranch.com...
> <snip>
>
> Well, the most important thing is if you checked out Bad Religion as Ben
> told you to.
No. But I'm listening to Praetorius right now.
Mr. Ben
David Vorous wrote in message <3BC22301...@thellamaranch.com>...
>"Mr. Ben" wrote:
>>
>> David Vorous wrote in message <3BC0E653...@thellamaranch.com>...
>> >
>> > Imagine there is no heaven......
>>
>> Hippy.
>
>So.
Well not really. At least you didn't go "everybody's talkin' bout
bagism"...