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Shadow Dancer

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May 27, 2002, 11:09:34 AM5/27/02
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The season of death is coming to an end, and an incredible rebirth is in the
works. Understanding of love will leap forward light-years. People will be
happy, and bountifully blessed.


blujuju

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May 27, 2002, 11:16:05 AM5/27/02
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"Shadow Dancer" <inso...@nospam.winterslight.org> wrote in message
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: The season of death is coming to an end, and an incredible rebirth is in

Actually, I've been feeling quite a lot of energy lately. Seems like
everything I touch turns out right with no problems, no hassles.. I've been
'in the zone' with everything I attempt. And, my creativity is trying to
return.
I don't know about understanding love or any of that, though. I *do* know
there's a lot of good stuff floating around. Maybe that's what I'm picking
up on.

/nik
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visualize world peace for an hour, imagine how serene and
quiet it would be until the looting started." ©

"The most beautiful thing
we can experience is the mysterious.
It is the source of all art and science.
He to whom this emotion is a stranger,
who can no longer pause to wonder
and stand rapt in awe,
is as good as dead; his eyes are closed.
Albert Einstein (1879-1955)


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The Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)

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May 27, 2002, 8:53:41 PM5/27/02
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"Shadow Dancer" <inso...@nospam.winterslight.org> wrote in message
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you can feel this, bitch.
the only thing ending is you

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mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar"
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Shadow Dancer

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May 27, 2002, 10:07:01 PM5/27/02
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"blujuju" <blu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Shadow Dancer" <inso...@nospam.winterslight.org> wrote in message
> news:O_rI8.53729$X9.19...@typhoon.kc.rr.com...
> : The season of death is coming to an end, and an incredible rebirth is in
> the
> : works. Understanding of love will leap forward light-years. People
will
> be
> : happy, and bountifully blessed.
>
> Actually, I've been feeling quite a lot of energy lately. Seems like
> everything I touch turns out right with no problems, no hassles.. I've
been
> 'in the zone' with everything I attempt. And, my creativity is trying to
> return.
> I don't know about understanding love or any of that, though. I *do* know
> there's a lot of good stuff floating around. Maybe that's what I'm picking
> up on.
>
> /nik

That's just another way of perceiving it. Then I'm right, it's not an
isolated thing.

For me, my music has returned, my desire to sing. Amongst other good
things.

Yee hah!!!! Time to celebrate!


hy

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May 27, 2002, 11:31:23 PM5/27/02
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not to discredit you or anything, but today, I saw this crow,
shriveled up, legs up in the air, and for some reason, it just felt
like such a horrible thing that I saw. Not because it was a dead crow,
but something else, very ominous.

hy

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May 27, 2002, 11:32:18 PM5/27/02
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blujuju wrote:

> Actually, I've been feeling quite a lot of energy lately. Seems like
> everything I touch turns out right with no problems, no hassles.. I've been
> 'in the zone' with everything I attempt. And, my creativity is trying to
> return.
> I don't know about understanding love or any of that, though. I *do* know
> there's a lot of good stuff floating around. Maybe that's what I'm picking
> up on.
>

Me too, I can't sleep at all, I am wiped from all my activity, yet
just too wired to sleep.

Last night, I dreamed I was fighting zombies.

Parse Tree

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May 27, 2002, 11:23:25 PM5/27/02
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"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF2FA42...@shaw.ca...

Was one of them ren?


Parse Tree

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May 27, 2002, 11:22:57 PM5/27/02
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"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF2FA0B...@shaw.ca...

Sorry. I farted.


hy

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May 27, 2002, 11:49:07 PM5/27/02
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No, but Tara from Buffy, was in it, and she sided with me in a fight.
Even though, she had a hard time doing it, going against her boss and
all. I like Tara, she will be missed.

Parse Tree

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May 28, 2002, 12:02:58 AM5/28/02
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"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF2FE33...@shaw.ca...

Yes. She will be. I was hoping that the finale would set up next seasons
villain (I was secretly hoping that it was going to be Willow). Now I don't
know what to expect. They need someone that rivals Glory though. She was
wicked cool.


hy

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May 28, 2002, 3:50:18 AM5/28/02
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You know, Tara would make a good ghost, or.. she could come back as an
awesome Glory type goddess, yes, that's what they should do. Very
powerful.

hy

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May 28, 2002, 3:55:02 AM5/28/02
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Gargoyle wrote:
>
> According to Sarah Michelle Gellar, next season they are returning to a
> lighter and more humorous side similar to the first couple of seasons. No
> mention of who or what the season's villain will be. It won't be Spike,
> though. Willow was hell cool in the season ender. Not even the Buffster was
> able beat her.
>


That's good, Buffy et all need a little bit of light time, like we all
do. She was down in the dumps too long, and now she has blossomed
again, time for her to have her spring and be a "summers" girl once
again.

hy

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May 28, 2002, 3:55:58 AM5/28/02
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Gargoyle wrote:
> You were just wrestling with Parse. hehehehe

maybe, but I got to fly and everything :) Oooh, and not just fly, but
hold up all the others I was saving from the zombies - so they could
get away too. heheh. Just have to find out who was on my right,
keeping the other side of the line up. :)

Das Uber Bitch

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May 28, 2002, 8:56:51 AM5/28/02
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That'd explain it. ;D Poor birdy.

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William Tucker

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May 28, 2002, 9:39:28 AM5/28/02
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"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF2FA42...@shaw.ca...

sitting and feeling
I wake, I relax balance en joy...I am centered and allowing
acting and acted upon, like a swimmer in the water

I walk to the garden I sit and feel
I work in the garden, I "let come to me" and sing
I take some food home and make some lunch
I relax balance enjoy
I communicate, I hold, I give


Wm

blujuju

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May 28, 2002, 11:48:20 AM5/28/02
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"Shadow Dancer" <inso...@nospam.winterslight.org> wrote in message
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: "blujuju" <blu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

: news:actiji$see2u$1...@ID-137257.news.dfncis.de...
: >
: > "Shadow Dancer" <inso...@nospam.winterslight.org> wrote in message
: > news:O_rI8.53729$X9.19...@typhoon.kc.rr.com...
: > : The season of death is coming to an end, and an incredible rebirth is
in
: > the
: > : works. Understanding of love will leap forward light-years. People
: will
: > be
: > : happy, and bountifully blessed.
: >
: > Actually, I've been feeling quite a lot of energy lately. Seems like
: > everything I touch turns out right with no problems, no hassles.. I've
: been
: > 'in the zone' with everything I attempt. And, my creativity is trying to
: > return.
: > I don't know about understanding love or any of that, though. I *do*
know
: > there's a lot of good stuff floating around. Maybe that's what I'm
picking
: > up on.
: >
: > /nik
:
: That's just another way of perceiving it. Then I'm right, it's not an
: isolated thing.

No.. even people who think magic is bullshit are feeling it.

: For me, my music has returned, my desire to sing. Amongst other good


: things.
:
: Yee hah!!!! Time to celebrate!

Oh indeed, it is! I've gotten 3 renderings done, with one that has a /lot/
of possibilities.. and I've totally freaked a couple of people out with the
way the wasps and other assorted stinging thingies respond to me when I talk
to them.. among other things that shall be left untalked about.


:
:


blujuju

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May 28, 2002, 11:50:34 AM5/28/02
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"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF2FA42...@shaw.ca...

I'm sleeping like a log.. but! Very early to bed and very early getting up.
Me.. who hadn't seen noon in 3 years.. up at 6am every day.

:
: Last night, I dreamed I was fighting zombies.

I read what you wrote about that. How cool a dream like that would be! I
barely ever remember what I dream about. My neighbor, who's a JW, has been
telling me about her dreams lately.. they're vivid and full of meaning that
she doesn't understand.


hy

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May 28, 2002, 2:56:37 PM5/28/02
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I had an all star cast in my dream last night. William DaFoe, Mila
Yokavich, and a bunch of other people. My brain is putting on horror
stories for me to watch, pretty good ones too. This one was a little
Dr Monroish and Resident Evilesk. I have no idea why I am seeing these
sorts of things, but I wish I would write them down or something.

hy

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May 28, 2002, 2:59:33 PM5/28/02
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blujuju wrote:
>
> "hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF2FA42...@shaw.ca...
> : blujuju wrote:
> :
> : > Actually, I've been feeling quite a lot of energy lately. Seems like
> : > everything I touch turns out right with no problems, no hassles.. I've
> been
> : > 'in the zone' with everything I attempt. And, my creativity is trying to
> : > return.
> : > I don't know about understanding love or any of that, though. I *do*
> know
> : > there's a lot of good stuff floating around. Maybe that's what I'm
> picking
> : > up on.
> : >
> :
> : Me too, I can't sleep at all, I am wiped from all my activity, yet
> : just too wired to sleep.
>
> I'm sleeping like a log.. but! Very early to bed and very early getting up.
> Me.. who hadn't seen noon in 3 years.. up at 6am every day.

For the last few months, I haven't been able to sleep past 5 or 6 or
7.. but now I am going to bed later and wired because I should have
been asleep, and I still wake up then, but I go back to sleep. Maybe I
should go to bed earlier, and experience that energy again.

Like you, I like sleeping in later and going to bed later, but the
quality of my sleep isn't making me rested when I do it (lately).

> : Last night, I dreamed I was fighting zombies.
>
> I read what you wrote about that. How cool a dream like that would be! I
> barely ever remember what I dream about. My neighbor, who's a JW, has been
> telling me about her dreams lately.. they're vivid and full of meaning that
> she doesn't understand.

Very cool. Do they mean anything to you at all, or are they messages
for her?

blujuju

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May 28, 2002, 3:55:23 PM5/28/02
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"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF3D395...@shaw.ca...

Try that. I usually just flow with this kind of thing. I find when I set
specific times for going to bed and getting up, things get out of wack with
me.

:
: Like you, I like sleeping in later and going to bed later, but the


: quality of my sleep isn't making me rested when I do it (lately).

Don't try to force it. Go with what feels right. You'll see a big
difference.

: > : Last night, I dreamed I was fighting zombies.


: >
: > I read what you wrote about that. How cool a dream like that would be! I
: > barely ever remember what I dream about. My neighbor, who's a JW, has
been
: > telling me about her dreams lately.. they're vivid and full of meaning
that
: > she doesn't understand.
:
: Very cool. Do they mean anything to you at all, or are they messages
: for her?

Nothing at all to me, but they're full of stuff about her family. I'm pretty
sure someone's trying to communicate with her.


Alexandra Ceelie

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May 28, 2002, 5:44:24 PM5/28/02
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On 5/28/02 3:41 AM, Gargoyle at ga...@pacbell.net wrote:

> According to Sarah Michelle Gellar, next season they are returning to a
> lighter and more humorous side similar to the first couple of seasons. No
> mention of who or what the season's villain will be. It won't be Spike,
> though. Willow was hell cool in the season ender. Not even the Buffster was
> able beat her.

What makes you think it won't be Spike? They set it up rather nicely for
him...didn't they?

Let's see... how did Spike word his request?

"Make me the way I was..." and "Give me what I need to defeat Buffy"

Of course it would be just like a demon to give him *exactly* what he asked
for... I thought it would be funny if he made Spike human...

Buffy said in the season finale that killing demons was one thing, but
killing a human would be murder...and that isn't what a slayer is all about.
Perhaps being human is just the edge Spike would need to defeat her.

Hmmmm...

Of course Will seemed just chill with the kill. I guess we'll see ;)

=^..^=
The NetKitten
Okay, I get it, you're Evil...
Alexandra Ceelie
http://talk.to/netkitten
ICQ: 1291198

William Tucker

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May 28, 2002, 6:24:32 PM5/28/02
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"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF3D2E5...@shaw.ca...

They sound sort of fun....I like William DaFoe....you should check out
"Streets of Fire," it's fun...good visuals...comic book like with good
music and stuff like that...

I used to use one of those little voice activated recorders by the side
of my bed so I could record without having to wake fully up
and pop out the cassesttes
and then listen later...surprising...I wonder where my recorder is
now...probably Texas

Don't know Dr. Monrish or Resident Evilesk...I like Dark City
or that one sort of french one with children being kidnapped
and kept in some undersea thing near some docks...is the cover
of it has like an old man with a fantastik machine strapped to his
head...."The Tin Drum" that was sort of freaky...Jean Cocteau made
some good movies too....I like some old Garbo stuff too...

Why the horror show films...what is your self trying to tell you?

Oh by the way I don't think people humour you I think they
most likely adore you...;-)

Wm

William Tucker

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May 28, 2002, 6:28:04 PM5/28/02
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multi B vitamins help to make sure that you don't get emotionally
depleted
calcium magnesium helps to sleep if taken an hour or so before
bed time...helps with women to keep their bones from leaching
as well...


> : > : Last night, I dreamed I was fighting zombies.
> : >
> : > I read what you wrote about that. How cool a dream like that would be!
I
> : > barely ever remember what I dream about. My neighbor, who's a JW, has
> been
> : > telling me about her dreams lately.. they're vivid and full of meaning
> that
> : > she doesn't understand.
> :
> : Very cool. Do they mean anything to you at all, or are they messages
> : for her?
>
> Nothing at all to me, but they're full of stuff about her family. I'm
pretty
> sure someone's trying to communicate with her.

I'd be interested in hearing if she's interested in sharing...or if hy
has some interesting B horror dreams that would be good....I keep
waking up too fast to remember mine...but I'll try.

Wm


hy

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May 28, 2002, 7:41:04 PM5/28/02
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In the end, didn't he give him what "Buffy deserved?" What about a bf,
with a soul?

hy

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May 28, 2002, 7:46:42 PM5/28/02
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Hey William, you are so correct with what you are thinking (or what I
am reading any ways)... some parts were under the sea, some children
were taken down, some murdered on the way, some altered and changed in
horrible ways, and the guys would steal minds.. lol, and the room
filled up with water ....it was weird, but it wasn't like dream weird,
it was very much like a full length movie, from start to finish, well
presented, good story line, etc. There was some stuff to do with head
and machines, and stuff I sort of want to write about first, in my
journal. Mila was crazy though, but she was one of the people altered.

I don't know what my mind is trying to present to me. I mean,
shouldn't it frighten me to see this sort of stuff?

I should try the tape thing out, it might be a lot easier.

blujuju

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May 28, 2002, 8:36:23 PM5/28/02
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"William Tucker" <wmft...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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:
: ----- Original Message -----

Good tips, Wm. Thank you.

:
:
: > : > : Last night, I dreamed I was fighting zombies.


: > : >
: > : > I read what you wrote about that. How cool a dream like that would
be!
: I
: > : > barely ever remember what I dream about. My neighbor, who's a JW,
has
: > been
: > : > telling me about her dreams lately.. they're vivid and full of
meaning
: > that
: > : > she doesn't understand.
: > :
: > : Very cool. Do they mean anything to you at all, or are they messages
: > : for her?
: >
: > Nothing at all to me, but they're full of stuff about her family. I'm
: pretty
: > sure someone's trying to communicate with her.
:
: I'd be interested in hearing if she's interested in sharing...or if hy
: has some interesting B horror dreams that would be good....I keep
: waking up too fast to remember mine...but I'll try.

I'll have to ask her. She's trusted me with them and they're not mine to
share.
It's so rare that I remember a dream.. I wish I could remember them.
Sometime, their shadow is with me all day.

: Wm
:
:


William Tucker

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May 28, 2002, 10:41:15 PM5/28/02
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"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF416E2...@shaw.ca...

this is the movie I was talking about...

The City of Lost Children (1995)

Synopsis:
Just off the coast of a dank, teeming harbor town, a horrible scientist
named Krank lives on a mist-shrouded rig. He is aging prematurely
because he lacks one vital function: the ability to dream. Krank's
henchmen, a community of Cyclops, kidnap children from town
and bring them to Krank so that he can harvest their dreams, invade
them, and make them his own. He's assisted in the laboratory by the
pint-sized Miss Bismuth; a disembodied brain known as Irvin; and
six identical Clones. When Denree, a voracious toddler, is kidnapped
by Krank's henchmen, he's pursued by One, a circus strongman who
has adopted Denree as his little brother. Along the way, One is captured
by Miette, a 9-year-old femme fatale and the leader of a gang of orphans
who've developed a criminally ingenious strategy for survival. Together
they embark on a harrowing adventure, finally confronting the evil Krank
to do battle on the level field of the subconscious: within the world of a
little boy's dream.

Wm

The Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)

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May 28, 2002, 11:09:57 PM5/28/02
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"Shadow Dancer" <inso...@nospam.winterslight.org> wrote in message
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heh heh

Shadow Dancer

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May 29, 2002, 2:48:03 AM5/29/02
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"The Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)" <the_wi...@yahoo.Xcom.X>
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Keep laughing, man. I sure am. As usual, your curse backfired ;p

~SD~


Cardinal Fang

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May 29, 2002, 3:01:14 AM5/29/02
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On Mon, 27 May 2002 15:09:34 GMT, "Shadow Dancer" <inso...@nospam.winterslight.org>
wrote:

>The season of death is coming to an end, and an incredible rebirth is in the
>works. Understanding of love will leap forward light-years. People will be
>happy, and bountifully blessed.

But only if everyone steps forward and makes a wish on Snookie's thang.
Otherwise, all of your are going to die of Ebola in the next six months.

Or so Snookie sez......the sinister chuckle could have meant just about anything.
So consider yourselves all forewarned.

Cardinal Fang ho...@earthlink.net
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Lead me not to temptation, I enjoy finding it myself.

Cardinal Fang

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May 29, 2002, 3:08:19 AM5/29/02
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And God said:

>Sorry. I farted.

The divine emergence of Parse Tree into the mortal plane has been revealed.

Cardinal Fang

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May 29, 2002, 3:11:29 AM5/29/02
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One of them was likely Shez. If Talesin can be believed.
But that would require a big leap of faith for just about anyone here

Cardinal Fang

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May 29, 2002, 3:12:27 AM5/29/02
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On Mon, 27 May 2002 20:31:23 -0700, hy <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote:

>Shadow Dancer wrote:
>>
>> The season of death is coming to an end, and an incredible rebirth is in the
>> works. Understanding of love will leap forward light-years. People will be
>> happy, and bountifully blessed.
>
>not to discredit you or anything, but today, I saw this crow,
>shriveled up, legs up in the air, and for some reason, it just felt
>like such a horrible thing that I saw. Not because it was a dead crow,
>but something else, very ominous.

Crow Jerky, anyone?

hy

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May 29, 2002, 3:26:30 AM5/29/02
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yes.

> a horrible scientist

yes

> named Krank lives

I don't know..


> on a mist-shrouded rig.

this is a possibility.

> He is aging prematurely
> because he lacks one vital function: the ability to dream. Krank's
> henchmen, a community of Cyclops,

he had helpers.

> kidnap children from town
> and bring them to Krank so that he can harvest their

yes..

> dreams, invade
> them, and make them his own.

I don't know if it was dreams, it had something to do with their
brains, and the activity in their brains.

> He's assisted in the laboratory by the
> pint-sized Miss Bismuth; a disembodied brain known as Irvin;

I remember someone talking, and looking around the room, then
realizing there was this small thing on the lab table, (beside a
mutant being sliced into as a demo to other adults, as to what sort of
"interesting and cool things they do - the parents not realizing that
this guys been operated on for show many times, and that his ear that
was being cut into to remove this thin object, was just surgically put
on, for the amputation to be done over and over again, for the curious
parents).. any ways, this small thing, on the table beside the amputee
(which was maybe a small brain), was talking, saying he had enough,
and wasn't going to help the doctor any more, and it was his last
time. And I am not sure if the doctor decided to kill it or not.


> and
> six identical Clones. When Denree, a voracious toddler, is kidnapped
> by Krank's henchmen, he's pursued by One, a circus strongman who
> has adopted Denree as his little brother. Along the way, One is captured
> by Miette, a 9-year-old femme fatale and the leader of a gang of orphans
> who've developed a criminally ingenious strategy for survival. Together
> they embark on a harrowing adventure, finally confronting the evil Krank
> to do battle on the level field of the subconscious: within the world of a
> little boy's dream.

I know that Mila was altered when she was young, so you keep seeing
her young her and her older her, going through transitions of being
young, and being sane, and going weird, and helping the bad people,
and learning and falling in love with a boy who was trying to be
captured, and trying to help him out. In the beginning of the dream,
she got me into trouble, when I was trying to help her (she was young
then). And when she was older, I saved her, when I pull her out of her
death trap...(sorry, William DaFoe, you just couldn't make it fast
enough)

but yes, the rest of it sounds similar too.

And I remember this horrible scene, where the man is taking a bunch of
people down to his lab or sub or what ever. He has his new batch of
children to be operated on. He is going to steal their brain stuff
from, and they are wondering how come so many children make such a
good recovery, and suddenly die. Any ways, they have the children that
will be worked on, lay in their beds, connected to the outside of the
elevator.

Well, some are connected to their bags of fluids and stuff, and when
the elevator drops, you see the ones who are connected are killed,
because they are still connected to the top, and are also being
dragged down to the bottom, by the elevator. And the doctor knew it
would happen and was so happy, and the people in the elevator were
horrified, but excepted his excuse at them being killed..

And I remember this man who stopped this from happening, and I could
feel it in part of my head and ears..that he had done something to
stop this from happening any more (ie he blew it up). which,
coincidentally, I just noticed, is what I have been complaining about
hurting all afternoon and night. However, I was ok, I think, because I
was safe away from all of this, yet still effected, and still seeing
everything, and very aware of all the happenings, and feeling it all.

hy

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May 29, 2002, 3:41:21 AM5/29/02
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hy wrote:
>
> William Tucker wrote:

oh ya, I forgot to say that he was stealing, what ever he was
stealing, for his self to use on himself.

Blackheart

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On Mon, 27 May 2002 15:09:34 GMT, "Shadow Dancer"
<inso...@nospam.winterslight.org> wrote:

>The season of death is coming to an end, and an incredible rebirth is in the
>works. Understanding of love will leap forward light-years. People will be
>happy, and bountifully blessed.

not until the middle east is shining like a glowstick at a rave...

Lush

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And did he have a little curly haired sidekick with a Canadian accent?

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> "hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF2FA42...@shaw.ca...
> > blujuju wrote:
> >
> > > Actually, I've been feeling quite a lot of energy lately. Seems like
> > > everything I touch turns out right with no problems, no hassles.. I've
> been
> > > 'in the zone' with everything I attempt. And, my creativity is trying to
> > > return.
> > > I don't know about understanding love or any of that, though. I *do*
> know
> > > there's a lot of good stuff floating around. Maybe that's what I'm
> picking
> > > up on.
> > >
> >
> > Me too, I can't sleep at all, I am wiped from all my activity, yet
> > just too wired to sleep.
> >
> > Last night, I dreamed I was fighting zombies.
>

William Tucker

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"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF48621...@shaw.ca...

Any connections to real life? Is there an interpretation or are you seeing
something that is literal? What are your feelings have you done a dream
interpretation with anyone? Elevators can be seen as a medium for
traversing fields of conciousness. Buildings as the self. I've been
working with the concept that in a sense we are "murdered children"
in the sense that in order to fit into an "adult world" we murder our
innocence and dreams...subvert them/repress them. I could go on,
what do you think?

Peter Pan comes to mind here

Wm


hy

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William Tucker wrote:
>
> "hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF48621...@shaw.ca...
> > hy wrote:
> > >
> > > William Tucker wrote:
> >
> > oh ya, I forgot to say that he was stealing, what ever he was
> > stealing, for his self to use on himself.
>
> Any connections to real life?

no, it just seemed like a movie that was playing next door or
something. although, when i wrote it out to you, I could make
correlation's, of course, but I can do that with anything.


> Is there an interpretation or are you seeing
> something that is literal? What are your feelings have you done a dream
> interpretation with anyone?


you sort of.. it was just fresh that day/night, that I told you.

> Elevators can be seen as a medium for
> traversing fields of conciousness.

ya, I know, or the different worlds. my place, was in a tower, in the
water.. high up under water? lol.. must have been a very deep ocean. I
was conscious of my little tiny room, with a mirror and a few shells,
and a small window, barred, that I was thinking about escaping
through, if I needed to, after the explosion. One of the shells is
what "my father" took from my room, that gave him the idea as to how
to blow the place up.

> Buildings as the self. I've been
> working with the concept that in a sense we are "murdered children"
> in the sense that in order to fit into an "adult world" we murder our
> innocence and dreams...subvert them/repress them. I could go on,
> what do you think?

I sort of could maybe see that as well, the young Mila, twisted by the
scary doctor, yet escapes, and works through it, falls in love, etc.



> Peter Pan comes to mind here
>
> Wm

Peter Pan, seems so much less barbaric. :)
This was a very dark dream, dark colours, dark nights (when we were on
the surface), except of course, my tiny light coloured, well light
room.. lol.. I would say it was in the sunlight, but under water, so,
you know, it was all light colours and stuff.

hy

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Gargoyle wrote:

>
> On Tue, 28 May 2002 17:44:24 -0400, Alexandra Ceelie
> <netk...@netzero.net> wrote:
>
> >On 5/28/02 3:41 AM, Gargoyle at ga...@pacbell.net wrote:
> >
> >> According to Sarah Michelle Gellar, next season they are returning to a
> >> lighter and more humorous side similar to the first couple of seasons. No
> >> mention of who or what the season's villain will be. It won't be Spike,
> >> though. Willow was hell cool in the season ender. Not even the Buffster was
> >> able beat her.
> >
> >What makes you think it won't be Spike? They set it up rather nicely for
> >him...didn't they?
>
> Not to be the enemy. No. Spike was given his soul back. That would mean one
> of two things... he's either going to be another vampire with a soul or,
> more likely, he'll be completely human.... all for the love of the Slayer.

>
> >Let's see... how did Spike word his request?
> >
> >"Make me the way I was..." and "Give me what I need to defeat Buffy"
>
> He said... "I want to you to return me to my former self." Former... being
> the key word. Former... as in before he became a vampire. Former... as in
> having a soul. He didn't say ... "... to defeat Buffy." He said, "... to
> give her what she deserves." In this case, someone to love. She loves
> Spikes. She just won't allow herself to because he was a vampire. Now,
> he'll return as human, or as a vampire with a soul but without the curse,
> and they will have a relationship of some kind. That seems to be the
> direction.

>
> >Of course it would be just like a demon to give him *exactly* what he asked
> >for... I thought it would be funny if he made Spike human...
>
> But, that is what Spike asked for. They just did it in such a way as to
> make it look like he just wanted the chip out of his head. Think about it.

>
> >Buffy said in the season finale that killing demons was one thing, but
> >killing a human would be murder...and that isn't what a slayer is all about.
> >Perhaps being human is just the edge Spike would need to defeat her.
>
> Hmmmm, now that is an idea. Only one problem with it. Spike could already
> kill her since he became immune to the chip where she was concerned. No, I
> think he intends to show Buffy just how much he loves her... by giving up
> his own immortality as a vampire. And, hoping, that with a soul, she will
> admit her love for him. But, as you say below, we'll see next season when
> the show returns. It should be good.

I think that the outcome was a surprise to Spike. Yes, he wanted
Buffy, but he couldn't have her love, the way he was, and he had
enough of the way he was treated by her, and upset at what he was
becoming. So he went the Monster guy, to get help in turning back to
his bad ass self. However, he was not specific enough in what he
asked, and the Monster gave Spike what Spike truly wanted in his heart
of hearts, and it was a big surprise for Spike, as it will be for
Buffy, and will take some getting used to or working out, or fighting,
or something.

I think Spike got what his inner wants where instead of his little
wants. The Ruach or Neschamah, compared to the Nephesch. (And even
through the help of Nuit, perhaps)..

Spike was put under pressure, and like the bitter olive put under
pressure, the oil (of connecting) was released. This oil is the soul,
that is under the surface. The surface is squeezed to release the holy
place, or that place which shines from within.

Therefore, his love for Buffy, emerged, once the dross out the outer,
was scoured away.

hy

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Gargoyle wrote:

> Hmmmm, now that is an idea. Only one problem with it. Spike could already
> kill her since he became immune to the chip where she was concerned. No, I
> think he intends to show Buffy just how much he loves her... by giving up
> his own immortality as a vampire. And, hoping, that with a soul, she will
> admit her love for him. But, as you say below, we'll see next season when
> the show returns. It should be good.

Was it that he became immune to her, or that she had changed in coming
back, meaning the chip allows him to hurt her because of this change.

The Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)

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>

> I'll have to ask her. She's trusted me with them and they're not mine to
> share.

for the gods' sake, we are talking about DREAMS not her underwear

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"blujuju" <blu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF2FA42...@shaw.ca...
> : blujuju wrote:
> :
> : > Actually, I've been feeling quite a lot of energy lately. Seems like
> : > everything I touch turns out right with no problems, no hassles.. I've
> been
> : > 'in the zone' with everything I attempt. And, my creativity is trying
to
> : > return.
> : > I don't know about understanding love or any of that, though. I *do*
> know
> : > there's a lot of good stuff floating around. Maybe that's what I'm
> picking
> : > up on.
> : >
> :
> : Me too, I can't sleep at all, I am wiped from all my activity, yet
> : just too wired to sleep.
>
> I'm sleeping like a log.. but! Very early to bed and very early getting
up.
> Me.. who hadn't seen noon in 3 years.. up at 6am every day.
>
> :
> : Last night, I dreamed I was fighting zombies.

>
> I read what you wrote about that. How cool a dream like that would be! I
> barely ever remember what I dream about. My neighbor, who's a JW, has been
> telling me about her dreams lately.. they're vivid and full of meaning
that
> she doesn't understand.

sounds like Suzanne watching the Cartoon Channel

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> "hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF2FA0B...@shaw.ca...

> > Shadow Dancer wrote:
> > >
> > > The season of death is coming to an end, and an incredible rebirth is
in
> the
> > > works. Understanding of love will leap forward light-years. People
> will be
> > > happy, and bountifully blessed.
> >
> > not to discredit you or anything, but today, I saw this crow,
> > shriveled up, legs up in the air, and for some reason, it just felt
> > like such a horrible thing that I saw. Not because it was a dead crow,
> > but something else, very ominous.
>
> Sorry. I farted.

my attorney has instructed me to remind you that fart jokes are solely the
domain of The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm). the making of fart jokes without
the express written permission of said Bad Boy is strictly illegal and will
result in the forfeiture of your soul as well as all of your ST:TNG trading
cards.
this will be your only warning

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>
>> Oh indeed, it is! I've gotten 3 renderings done, with one that has a
/lot/
> of possibilities

you make soap?

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what curse, Shadowstumbler?

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"The Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)" <the_wi...@yahoo.Xcom.X>
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I didn't think you'd notice.

Note: I still lay claim to any and all jokes pertaining to menstruation.


William Tucker

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"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF54168...@shaw.ca...

> William Tucker wrote:
> >
> > "hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:3CF48621...@shaw.ca...
> > > hy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > William Tucker wrote:
> > >
> > > oh ya, I forgot to say that he was stealing, what ever he was
> > > stealing, for his self to use on himself.
> >
> > Any connections to real life?
>
> no, it just seemed like a movie that was playing next door or
> something. although, when i wrote it out to you, I could make
> correlation's, of course, but I can do that with anything.

I wonder if it was a parallel reality


> > Is there an interpretation or are you seeing
> > something that is literal? What are your feelings have you done a dream
> > interpretation with anyone?
>
>
> you sort of.. it was just fresh that day/night, that I told you.
>
> > Elevators can be seen as a medium for
> > traversing fields of conciousness.
>
> ya, I know, or the different worlds. my place, was in a tower, in the
> water.. high up under water? lol.. must have been a very deep ocean.

water is of course emotion..the stuff of self


> I
> was conscious of my little tiny room, with a mirror and a few shells,

it's too bad you don't have a book of Sulamith Wulfing's drawings,
lot of imagery with mermaids and figures under water...her pictures
and colors are very much the stuff of insight into energy and
metamorphis...the cover of her book shows a little girl with a
chest sized butterfly on her heart and it says "the first butterfly."
the undersea is a rite of passage of some sort...one of my favorite is of
her lying in a dragons mouth surrounded by flame it's called "the big
friend," another shows an old person hunched and crouching with a
cape that looks like an old brown leaf reaching out to a young person
covered in light who is bending over to see them...it's called
"transformation"
drawings are equisite...water color mixed with pen and ink...lumionous

> and a small window, barred, that I was thinking about escaping
> through, if I needed to, after the explosion. One of the shells is
> what "my father" took from my room, that gave him the idea as to how
> to blow the place up.

interesting...what happened after you blew it up, how does your
father figure in your dream...who played your father...what did
you feel about him...how do you feel about that person...

>
> > Buildings as the self. I've been
> > working with the concept that in a sense we are "murdered children"
> > in the sense that in order to fit into an "adult world" we murder our
> > innocence and dreams...subvert them/repress them. I could go on,
> > what do you think?
>
> I sort of could maybe see that as well, the young Mila, twisted by the
> scary doctor

could you talk about this? In dreams they say that the people
are parts of ourself....is this the case here or was this like a
teaching dream....or just a vision of something going on?

> yet escapes, and works through it, falls in love, etc.

does that parallel your life at all?

> > Peter Pan comes to mind here

Peter Pan is the unadulterated child who is a grownup,
someone who has made it through the labyrinth with
spirit of self intact....still joyous and still able to go to
both worlds, but more happy in a world dedicated to
that innocence and magick that makes seeing a spring
flower an event in a young childs life...


> > Wm
>
> Peter Pan, seems so much less barbaric. :)

can you talk about the barbaric ness at all? Barbaric in the sense of
roughness, lack of feeling, actions, gruffness?

> This was a very dark dream, dark colours, dark nights (when we were on
> the surface)

the theme that darkness played here?

> except of course, my tiny light coloured, well light
> room.. lol.. I would say it was in the sunlight, but under water, so,
> you know, it was all light colours and stuff.

things in the room...colors specifically..any objects...

Wm


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"Parse Tree" <pars...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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then those shall be YOUR jokes
period

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"The Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)" <the_wi...@yahoo.Xcom.X>
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Your pun is in violation of the agreement.

I will continue with the fart jokes, because you will not honour the treaty.


William Tucker

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sent this once...apparently the matrix ate it...

"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF54168...@shaw.ca...


> William Tucker wrote:
> >
> > "hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:3CF48621...@shaw.ca...
> > > hy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > William Tucker wrote:
> > >
> > > oh ya, I forgot to say that he was stealing, what ever he was
> > > stealing, for his self to use on himself.
> >
> > Any connections to real life?
>
> no, it just seemed like a movie that was playing next door or
> something. although, when i wrote it out to you, I could make
> correlation's, of course, but I can do that with anything.

I wonder if it was a parallel reality


> > Is there an interpretation or are you seeing
> > something that is literal? What are your feelings have you done a dream
> > interpretation with anyone?
>
>
> you sort of.. it was just fresh that day/night, that I told you.
>
> > Elevators can be seen as a medium for
> > traversing fields of conciousness.
>
> ya, I know, or the different worlds. my place, was in a tower, in the
> water.. high up under water? lol.. must have been a very deep ocean.

water is of course emotion..the stuff of self


> I
> was conscious of my little tiny room, with a mirror and a few shells,

it's too bad you don't have a book of Sulamith Wulfing's drawings,


lot of imagery with mermaids and figures under water...her pictures
and colors are very much the stuff of insight into energy and
metamorphis...the cover of her book shows a little girl with a
chest sized butterfly on her heart and it says "the first butterfly."
the undersea is a rite of passage of some sort...one of my favorite is of
her lying in a dragons mouth surrounded by flame it's called "the big
friend," another shows an old person hunched and crouching with a
cape that looks like an old brown leaf reaching out to a young person
covered in light who is bending over to see them...it's called
"transformation"
drawings are equisite...water color mixed with pen and ink...lumionous

> and a small window, barred, that I was thinking about escaping


> through, if I needed to, after the explosion. One of the shells is
> what "my father" took from my room, that gave him the idea as to how
> to blow the place up.

interesting...what happened after you blew it up, how does your


father figure in your dream...who played your father...what did
you feel about him...how do you feel about that person...

>


> > Buildings as the self. I've been
> > working with the concept that in a sense we are "murdered children"
> > in the sense that in order to fit into an "adult world" we murder our
> > innocence and dreams...subvert them/repress them. I could go on,
> > what do you think?
>
> I sort of could maybe see that as well, the young Mila, twisted by the

> scary doctor

could you talk about this? In dreams they say that the people
are parts of ourself....is this the case here or was this like a
teaching dream....or just a vision of something going on?

> yet escapes, and works through it, falls in love, etc.

does that parallel your life at all?

> > Peter Pan comes to mind here

Peter Pan is the unadulterated child who is a grownup,


someone who has made it through the labyrinth with
spirit of self intact....still joyous and still able to go to
both worlds, but more happy in a world dedicated to
that innocence and magick that makes seeing a spring
flower an event in a young childs life...

> > Wm
>
> Peter Pan, seems so much less barbaric. :)

can you talk about the barbaric ness at all? Barbaric in the sense of


roughness, lack of feeling, actions, gruffness?

> This was a very dark dream, dark colours, dark nights (when we were on
> the surface)

the theme that darkness played here?

> except of course, my tiny light coloured, well light


> room.. lol.. I would say it was in the sunlight, but under water, so,
> you know, it was all light colours and stuff.

things in the room...colors specifically..any objects...

Wm


hy

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William Tucker wrote:
>
> "hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF54168...@shaw.ca...
> > William Tucker wrote:
> > >
> > > "hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:3CF48621...@shaw.ca...
> > > > hy wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > William Tucker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > oh ya, I forgot to say that he was stealing, what ever he was
> > > > stealing, for his self to use on himself.
> > >
> > > Any connections to real life?
> >
> > no, it just seemed like a movie that was playing next door or
> > something. although, when i wrote it out to you, I could make
> > correlation's, of course, but I can do that with anything.
>
> I wonder if it was a parallel reality

I don't know. I did a tarot reading, and it said that I was
restricting the feminine part of me. Actually, I am not happy with
what the tarot is saying right now. I wish I would have not consulted
it, almost. I mean, I want to make it better, but I just don't know
what to do.


> > > Is there an interpretation or are you seeing
> > > something that is literal? What are your feelings have you done a dream
> > > interpretation with anyone?
> >
> >
> > you sort of.. it was just fresh that day/night, that I told you.
> >
> > > Elevators can be seen as a medium for
> > > traversing fields of conciousness.
> >
> > ya, I know, or the different worlds. my place, was in a tower, in the
> > water.. high up under water? lol.. must have been a very deep ocean.
>
> water is of course emotion..the stuff of self

I don't know what to reply here. Yes, I am very emotional, and yes,
this could be part of my inner self, I know that is what dreams are
for, I just don't get the connections right now.


> > I
> > was conscious of my little tiny room, with a mirror and a few shells,
>
> it's too bad you don't have a book of Sulamith Wulfing's drawings,
> lot of imagery with mermaids and figures under water...her pictures
> and colors are very much the stuff of insight into energy and
> metamorphis...the cover of her book shows a little girl with a
> chest sized butterfly on her heart and it says "the first butterfly."
> the undersea is a rite of passage of some sort...one of my favorite is of
> her lying in a dragons mouth surrounded by flame it's called "the big
> friend," another shows an old person hunched and crouching with a
> cape that looks like an old brown leaf reaching out to a young person
> covered in light who is bending over to see them...it's called
> "transformation"
> drawings are equisite...water color mixed with pen and ink...lumionous

does my writing remind you of these picture?


> > and a small window, barred, that I was thinking about escaping
> > through, if I needed to, after the explosion. One of the shells is
> > what "my father" took from my room, that gave him the idea as to how
> > to blow the place up.
>
> interesting...what happened after you blew it up, how does your
> father figure in your dream...who played your father...what did
> you feel about him...how do you feel about that person...

he took the shell, and went to go and solve the problem. I was talking
with a few others, when I realized my head was starting to ache, and i
could hear something in my ear, and I realized that it had been
solved, as did the other man who was with me, a sort of general type,
and I saw the horror on his face, as he prepared to run. I ran up the
stairs as well, back to my room, and shut the door, as the water
rushed up the stairs, I saw a few people in the stair ways, I thought
to save them, but didn't think that I should, however, I opened up the
door, and saved Mila, by pulling her in, and shutting the door, just
as the water was taking over the rest of the stair case up to my
place. It did take over William. There was a thought that if I had to,
i could escape from my window, but I didn't have to do this.

It isn't my real life father, that I can tell, I can't see his face
now. He is thin, but not skinny, darkish hair, I feel comfortable, I
don't feel like I have been close to him for a long time - like maybe
I have been where I have been, isolated. I feel curious, but no
emotions that would make me feel worried, or upset or anything, I feel
neutral maybe. I wonder why he is looking over my stuff, maybe. And I
see him select the shell, so I select one as well, but I don't
remember what I do with it. I have no idea what his plans are, but I
am intrigued with why he took what he did, and why he was enlightened
by it, and took it off with him, to where ever he was going. I am an
adult through all of this dream.


> > > Buildings as the self. I've been
> > > working with the concept that in a sense we are "murdered children"
> > > in the sense that in order to fit into an "adult world" we murder our
> > > innocence and dreams...subvert them/repress them. I could go on,
> > > what do you think?
> >
> > I sort of could maybe see that as well, the young Mila, twisted by the
> > scary doctor
>
> could you talk about this? In dreams they say that the people
> are parts of ourself....is this the case here or was this like a
> teaching dream....or just a vision of something going on?

I don't know, I told you my dream, and then I didn't get any weird
dreams last night, I just felt relief, perhaps because I paid
attention. I do know, that I think Mila is a cool person, she looks
neat, sounds neat, has a neat style. Maybe I am her, I don't really
know. I am at a table, with family, and she is serving me in a
restaurant, and I talk to her, because she needs help, then, I go
outside with her, and I know I am helping her, when she jumps on me,
and starts screaming, so it looks like I am doing something bad to her
when I am not.

Then later, I am hiding way above and I see her come to look for this
boy, who I think was taken by the doctor. She is worried, and I think
she goes to look for him.

Then, later, I see her in the end as I save her. As the doctors
facility is being blown up. I don't know why or how she gets there, I
might even think I was the boy at that middle part of the dream, able
to see all of this.

I sort of wondered if it was just for entertainment purposes, or
filtering out the debris of the days events. But I didn't have these
sorts of worries or anything, that I know about really. Maybe I am
blind to all of this, stuff, I mean my tarot readings are very dark
and disillusioned and untrusting.



> > yet escapes, and works through it, falls in love, etc.
>
> does that parallel your life at all?

I don't know. I mean, I don't think that I had a very happy childhood,
life was tragic for me. Lots of stuff going on that hurt. Sure, I can
see my self in this dream, but it doesn't mean it was me.


> > > Peter Pan comes to mind here
>
> Peter Pan is the unadulterated child who is a grownup,
> someone who has made it through the labyrinth with
> spirit of self intact....still joyous and still able to go to
> both worlds, but more happy in a world dedicated to
> that innocence and magick that makes seeing a spring
> flower an event in a young childs life...

I can't really say I was upset in this dream, a few things disturbed
me, but my life wasn't bad.

> > > Wm
> >
> > Peter Pan, seems so much less barbaric. :)
>
> can you talk about the barbaric ness at all? Barbaric in the sense of
> roughness, lack of feeling, actions, gruffness?

well, mutilation, the colours, the stealing of children's brains.. lol
the only thing that wasn't dark, was my room in the tower. I know the
others in my dream felt a lot, were disturbed and dark as well. There
was violence, everything like that. Does that paint the picture, I am
not sure that I am helping here.


> > This was a very dark dream, dark colours, dark nights (when we were on
> > the surface)
>
> the theme that darkness played here?

the darkness was from the doctor and his workings, from the deep
underwater place, that was the center of this trouble.



> > except of course, my tiny light coloured, well light
> > room.. lol.. I would say it was in the sunlight, but under water, so,
> > you know, it was all light colours and stuff.
>
> things in the room...colors specifically..any objects...

shells. and always, always, I don't understand why, a bathroom. It is
there almost any time I have dreams of spiritually dying, or seeing
through the veil. It used to bother me, but that bathroom has sort of
cleared up, and now it is in my clean well lit tower.

I think I always felt watched from the toilet, growing up. It is
silly, but the thing used to freak me out. I also used to think that
it was like a portal for my grandparents that were dead, to watch me
from.

but my bathroom now, which used to have all these open doors that
wouldn't stay closed and that led to many rooms with many others, is
now in its own place, in my own room. The room has a way to be sealed,
it has a door which I control - and one door only - which shuts and
locks, and is safe. I also have a bed I think, and a wash basin, and a
mirror. My belongings, such as shells sit on this counter above the
basin. And sand, I think, light or white sand, a little of it. I also
have another way out, the small window, with bars, even though I can't
figure in my waking moments, how bars would let me out, or be
effective if I was under water, from keeping me from drowning. I guess
I can breath no problem here.

The room is very small, as I said, it is the tip of a tower, and safe.
Clean, white, well ordered. There might be a tint of blue, but no
other real colours that would shock, only calm pastels, but I am not
even aware of yellow pastels or anything, even that is dramatic. The
sky outside is blue like water, or sky. And I see the sunshine, maybe,
or light in the water or sky, lights my room up, so I have no need for
other lighting.

Even though, what blows up below, effects others in the tower, it does
not effect me.

Electric Walrus

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Is it to late to claim checking the sock drawer for invisible purple
bunnies with a metal detector jokes?

BTW, a real sceptic checks all the drawers.

--
electric walrus

William Tucker

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my insights, my feelings on the dream are formed
by the thought "if it were my dream"
I'm not doing direct interpretation...just things to think about

"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF5B014...@shaw.ca...


> William Tucker wrote:
> >
> > "hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:3CF54168...@shaw.ca...
> > > William Tucker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3CF48621...@shaw.ca...
> > > > > hy wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Tucker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > oh ya, I forgot to say that he was stealing, what ever he was
> > > > > stealing, for his self to use on himself.
> > > >
> > > > Any connections to real life?
> > >
> > > no, it just seemed like a movie that was playing next door or
> > > something. although, when i wrote it out to you, I could make
> > > correlation's, of course, but I can do that with anything.
> >
> > I wonder if it was a parallel reality
>
> I don't know. I did a tarot reading, and it said that I was
> restricting the feminine part of me. Actually, I am not happy with
> what the tarot is saying right now. I wish I would have not consulted
> it, almost. I mean, I want to make it better, but I just don't know
> what to do.

does the reading feel correct? Sometimes I'll do three or four
on the different aspects so that I really understand instead of
being stuck in a conclusion....understanding leads to relief..as
with any darkness is a possibility for growth or healing...and
the cards can be addressed with that in mind...germination must
be done in darkness....

the rythm of healing is expansion/contraction and working with
that allowing the contraction as being just as necessary as the
expansion...a resting place...going to the well deep inside


> > > > Is there an interpretation or are you seeing
> > > > something that is literal? What are your feelings have you done a
dream
> > > > interpretation with anyone?
> > >
> > >
> > > you sort of.. it was just fresh that day/night, that I told you.
> > >
> > > > Elevators can be seen as a medium for
> > > > traversing fields of conciousness.
> > >
> > > ya, I know, or the different worlds. my place, was in a tower, in the
> > > water.. high up under water? lol.. must have been a very deep ocean.
> >
> > water is of course emotion..the stuff of self
>
> I don't know what to reply here. Yes, I am very emotional, and yes,
> this could be part of my inner self, I know that is what dreams are
> for, I just don't get the connections right now.

usually, that much water symbolizes the unconcious, or dream world,
and when I can't get the connection I want,
I back off until I have the resources
to devote to it or feel compelled to....as you said dreams have many
levels


> > > I
> > > was conscious of my little tiny room, with a mirror and a few shells,
> >
> > it's too bad you don't have a book of Sulamith Wulfing's drawings,
> > lot of imagery with mermaids and figures under water...her pictures
> > and colors are very much the stuff of insight into energy and
> > metamorphis...the cover of her book shows a little girl with a
> > chest sized butterfly on her heart and it says "the first butterfly."
> > the undersea is a rite of passage of some sort...one of my favorite is
of
> > her lying in a dragons mouth surrounded by flame it's called "the big
> > friend," another shows an old person hunched and crouching with a
> > cape that looks like an old brown leaf reaching out to a young person
> > covered in light who is bending over to see them...it's called
> > "transformation"
> > drawings are equisite...water color mixed with pen and ink...lumionous


> does my writing remind you of these picture?

your room and your reference to the images....there is one picture
where a woman is lying in bed with the water in her room up to
the level of her head, with only her face peaking through like
a person floating on thier back....a mermaid/sea angel is next
to her face as she is sleeping holding her with her cheek next to
the sleeping woman...she appears to be healing her...that's what
came up when I started reading your dream...that image and also
I don't fully understand the pictures in the book...but I've seen them
before...my guides show me those themes sometimes...they seem
to be related to the feminine though...or growth in the feminine...
like I think the lady in the picture had had her son die and was
overwhelmed and the mermaid/sea angel had helped her to learn
to swim/survive in the flood of emotions....a helper...that is what
came to me....my insights, my feelings on it are as formed by the
thought "if it were my dream"
I'm not doing direct interpretation...just things to think about

<snip>

> but my bathroom now, which used to have all these open doors that
> wouldn't stay closed and that led to many rooms with many others, is
> now in its own place, in my own room. The room has a way to be sealed,
> it has a door which I control - and one door only - which shuts and
> locks, and is safe.

what a bathroom means to me is sexuality and relieif...something
that is private but necessary, someplace where I can be my self,
the door is closed and I let it all out..


>I also have a bed I think, and a wash basin, and a
> mirror. My belongings, such as shells sit on this counter above the
> basin. And sand, I think, light or white sand, a little of it. I also
> have another way out, the small window, with bars, even though I can't
> figure in my waking moments, how bars would let me out, or be
> effective if I was under water, from keeping me from drowning. I guess
> I can breath no problem here.

good

> The room is very small, as I said, it is the tip of a tower, and safe.
> Clean, white, well ordered. There might be a tint of blue, but no
> other real colours that would shock, only calm pastels, but I am not
> even aware of yellow pastels or anything, even that is dramatic. The
> sky outside is blue like water, or sky. And I see the sunshine, maybe,
> or light in the water or sky, lights my room up, so I have no need for
> other lighting.
>
> Even though, what blows up below, effects others in the tower, it does
> not effect me.

I have a tendancy to rise above...some things must be dealt with
at a personal level/physical level...be sure that you stay healthy
with all of the things going on in your life....thank you...

Wm

Parse Tree

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> "Parse Tree" <pars...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Your pun is in violation of the agreement.
> >
> > I will continue with the fart jokes, because you will not honour the
treaty.
>
> Is it to late to claim checking the sock drawer for invisible purple
> bunnies with a metal detector jokes?

Where do you live that your bunnies are made of or contain metal?

> BTW, a real sceptic checks all the drawers.

Just like we check every orifice...


hy

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Gargoyle wrote:
> I disagree, Hy. Spike got exactly what he went there to get. His soul. To
> become his "former" self. For that, he had to pass a series of tests. After
> all, it was his soul that was at stake. I suggested this to Gman the week
> of the previous episode, where Spike went to the Demon and made his demands
> known. The next episode (season ender) I was proven right. Spike never said
> anything about killing Buffy, or fighting Buffy, or drinking her blood. He
> said he wanted to give her what she deserved. And, that was a man to love.

:)Despite our differences in opinion. It will be very interesting to
see the next years shows. I can see your point, but I can't remember
the exact wording, so all I can say is how I felt about the issue at
that time.

hy

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Gargoyle wrote:

> Actually, it was he coming back. Something was ever so slightly out of
> whack that it allowed him to fight her, but nobody else human. So, if he
> wanted to kill her, he certainly had plenty of opportunities. The chip in
> his head had no bearing on that. He didn't have to go to some demon to be
> returned to his evil ways so he could kill Buffy. He went to that demon so
> Buffy would return his love.

I actually do think that Spike was changing, just the fact that he was
able to love Buffy, and care for Dawn showed this.

The fact that you would even say/see "He went to that demon so Buffy
would return his love." means that you have something sweet in you.
ick hey? :)

hy

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William Tucker wrote:
>
> my insights, my feelings on the dream are formed
> by the thought "if it were my dream"
> I'm not doing direct interpretation...just things to think about

:) Thank you though.

> does the reading feel correct?

no, not really, it surprised me, and bothered me, and I thought, wow,
am I that blind, or is the reading way off (especially since I have
not really trusted that manner of tarot spread and reading for a
while)?
After talking to you about this, I did another reading, with a
different spread and a different deck, it showed the same sort of
cards, but more of a getting over these sort of influences, rather
then having them effect me. So that was much better. Not sure if it
was because I talked to you about it, and you helped me realize
something to get me over it (which I think is shown in the spread, a
bit), or that I took a different meaning in the cards then what I
should have (i.e., I was using the dark dreary cards, and didn't ask
for details on the individual cards, so didn't get that sort of answer
that I probably should have.)
Probably the the resolution comes from both answers, although the
fact that the second spread mentions these cards, means that these
influences had to be a part of my life. However, I think they were
more in terms of not very positive influences, i.e., people around me
at the time, that I was allowing to influence me. And I already sort
of knew that, and was bothered by it.

> Sometimes I'll do three or four
> on the different aspects so that I really understand instead of
> being stuck in a conclusion....understanding leads to relief..as
> with any darkness is a possibility for growth or healing...and
> the cards can be addressed with that in mind...germination must
> be done in darkness....

what do you mean by the "different aspects?"
and, germinate, I think they did, in my case, so that they actually
did influence me. If only because I did the reading, and not because I
was supposed to capture any energies from my dream and make it part of
my waking life.

> the rythm of healing is expansion/contraction and working with
> that allowing the contraction as being just as necessary as the
> expansion...a resting place...going to the well deep inside

Yes, I do think it was part healing.



> usually, that much water symbolizes the unconcious, or dream world,
> and when I can't get the connection I want,
> I back off until I have the resources
> to devote to it or feel compelled to....as you said dreams have many
> levels

I haven't been bothered since, by weird dreams like this, since
talking to you, so perhaps you asking, brought to my attention
something I needed to see more, then just as a (my dream being like a)
tv show in passing.



> > does my writing remind you of these picture?
>
> your room and your reference to the images....there is one picture
> where a woman is lying in bed with the water in her room up to
> the level of her head, with only her face peaking through like
> a person floating on thier back....a mermaid/sea angel is next
> to her face as she is sleeping holding her with her cheek next to
> the sleeping woman...she appears to be healing her...that's what
> came up when I started reading your dream...that image and also
> I don't fully understand the pictures in the book...but I've seen them
> before...my guides show me those themes sometimes...they seem
> to be related to the feminine though...or growth in the feminine...
> like I think the lady in the picture had had her son die and was
> overwhelmed and the mermaid/sea angel had helped her to learn
> to swim/survive in the flood of emotions....a helper...that is what
> came to me....my insights, my feelings on it are as formed by the
> thought "if it were my dream"
> I'm not doing direct interpretation...just things to think about

yes, well many of my tarot reading lately, as well as my dreams (i.e.,
suffering a stroke on the left side of my body) very much symbolize me
not allowing the feminine aspects to come through. I just don't really
know how to let them come through. I had some idea emerge tonight,
from my past, I will try it out, but how does one allow more feminine
aspects to flow through them? Perhaps work with a certain Goddess?


> what a bathroom means to me is sexuality and relieif...something
> that is private but necessary, someplace where I can be my self,
> the door is closed and I let it all out..

I realized after talking to you last night, that when I was a kid, I
didn't have privacy in my bed room. However, I did have use of a
bathroom that no one else used. So I would lock myself in there for a
few hours and read, wash my face, just get the privacy that I felt
that I needed some times. I had a chair in there, large trees and
other plants. Solitude, away from others, and I could also turn the
tap on, to drown out other noises, outside.



> I have a tendancy to rise above...some things must be dealt with
> at a personal level/physical level...be sure that you stay healthy
> with all of the things going on in your life....thank you...

thank you, william.

The Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)

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what pun?

> I will continue with the fart jokes, because you will not honour the
treaty.
>

then it shall be war
now stop ragging me

--


Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)

http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft

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"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF5B014...@shaw.ca...

>> I don't know. I did a tarot reading, and it said that I was
> restricting the feminine part of me.

Maybe your underwear is too tight

blujuju

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: "blujuju" <blu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

Hy's dream?

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: news:ad17q7$tftmr$1...@ID-137257.news.dfncis.de...
: >
:
: > I'll have to ask her. She's trusted me with them and they're not mine to
: > share.
:
: for the gods' sake, we are talking about DREAMS not her underwear
:

Could be she's dreaming about underwear... ;)

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: >
: >> Oh indeed, it is! I've gotten 3 renderings done, with one that has a
: /lot/
: > of possibilities
:
: you make soap?

Nope.

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"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF72FB6...@shaw.ca...
> William Tucker wrote:

<snip>

first I clear myself of the current times energies, dance, breathe,
get neutral...then I connect with the deck

hy:


> what do you mean by the "different aspects?"
> and, germinate, I think they did, in my case, so that they actually
> did influence me. If only because I did the reading, and not because I
> was supposed to capture any energies from my dream and make it part of
> my waking life.

then I throw the cards

remaining neutral I look at them

If I don't feel comfortable with the information I say

"is this what you mean?"

and do it again

I have a conversation in regard to the original spread...

as you said the original spread comes through again if
it was a real thing....I can throw 10 hands and 8 of them
will contain some of the original cards and the same basic
energy with different emphasis...it's like trying to explain
to a friend that is caught in fear that they need to address
something....only this time the friend is myself....I look for
an explanation that leads me to a useful conclusion...

what do I need to do to avoid this?
what do I need to adjust to compensate for this?
am I understanding what you are trying to say here?
is there an alternate path to take I am not seeing at this time?
is there a part of this I am not interpreting correctly?
what do you mean by the tower followed by the sun?
is this a necessary thing that I am going through?

it's sort of like realizing that the lines on your hand can
be changed....at that point you cease being afraid of finding
"bad things" and realize that these things can be changed...
a weakness in a life line at age 38 becomes a dietary change
that strengthens the life line starting at 32 which results in
healing the life line at 38....a sign on the life line that indicates
injury from driving a car at age 45 means that I don't drive
a car when I'm tired or stressed without paying more attention
or avoiding it if it's not necessary, I make sure I have good
tires and good brakes

Wm:


> > the rythm of healing is expansion/contraction and working with
> > that allowing the contraction as being just as necessary as the
> > expansion...a resting place...going to the well deep inside

learning not to avoid being down, means learning how to work
with natural rythyms.....entering into the pain means you can
eat it....going into it and becoming it and then becoming you again...
coming out the other side having digested rather than avoiding...
it's like the soreness you get from exercising...if you rest...stretch
do things that make you comfortable and address the healing that
needs to take place to let your muscles grow...then you'll have a
beautiful flexible body....if you don't do those things you will get
tightness, lack of flexibility...smaller muscles that can't carry you or
with stand more exertion..

<snip>

Wm


William Tucker

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"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF72FB6...@shaw.ca...
> William Tucker wrote:


Wm:


> > my insights, my feelings on the dream are formed
> > by the thought "if it were my dream"
> > I'm not doing direct interpretation...just things to think about

hy:


> > > does my writing remind you of these picture?

Wm:


> > your room and your reference to the images....there is one picture
> > where a woman is lying in bed with the water in her room up to
> > the level of her head, with only her face peaking through like
> > a person floating on thier back....a mermaid/sea angel is next
> > to her face as she is sleeping holding her with her cheek next to
> > the sleeping woman...she appears to be healing her...that's what
> > came up when I started reading your dream...that image and also
> > I don't fully understand the pictures in the book...but I've seen them
> > before...my guides show me those themes sometimes...they seem
> > to be related to the feminine though...or growth in the feminine...
> > like I think the lady in the picture had had her son die and was
> > overwhelmed and the mermaid/sea angel had helped her to learn
> > to swim/survive in the flood of emotions....a helper...that is what
> > came to me....my insights, my feelings on it are as formed by the
> > thought "if it were my dream"
> > I'm not doing direct interpretation...just things to think about


hy:


> yes, well many of my tarot reading lately, as well as my dreams (i.e.,
> suffering a stroke on the left side of my body) very much symbolize me
> not allowing the feminine aspects to come through. I just don't really
> know how to let them come through. I had some idea emerge tonight,
> from my past, I will try it out, but how does one allow more feminine
> aspects to flow through them? Perhaps work with a certain Goddess?

I have a Green Tara that I meditate
on...no thinking, no interpretation,
just gazing...and toning....

I sit on a blue-green zafu

another thing that came up to me is from my
Faeries Oracles book about a card called

She of the Cruach:

begin:
This is the Great Goddess, the named mother of all,
and the godesesses aer attributes or aspects of her.
Her cup, the Cruach, overflows with bounty for all.
She is the yin energy of the universe --- nurturing,
compassionate and wise. she gives form and brings
into manifestation the will adn the force of He of the
Firey Sword. His is the intention the action, and hers
is the Cruach holding all the worlds within her being.

One Oracle group member saw the Crucach as a
great bowl, like a scrying tool for seeing pst, present,
or future potential, but filled with energy instead of
water. Within it he saw a tower with a moon above it,
a farmhouse, and many other bits and pieces of our
world. He felt that if you dropped something in the
water, these things would scatter out to become reality ---
archetypes manifesting every where...he said, "She
is the woman who dreams, and her dreams are the
world and all that is in them."

She of the Cruach is the holder of all of our Sorrows
and all of our Joys. Her Cruach, miraculous chalice,
is teh womb of birth and the cauldron of rebirth, the
chalice of healing, the container holding the
germinating seed. She is eh body, the soul-shrine
that holds the spirit and keeps it from being lost
or dissapated in a formless fog. She is pattern
and form in the abstract and the specific. Within
her we take form to move on to the next phase
of our being.

All of the Universe, each individual Particle,
every Being
is Cherished by Her.

end...She of the Cruach


I think some of the ladies here probably know a few
things....

When I work with someone that is blocked from their
feminine energies I wear Jasmine in my hair....and hold
them with my gaze in compassionate attention....rose
is also good....I don't have my flower essence books
here...there are feminine toning herbs, scented baths,
herbal sleeping bundles...rose bowls...like
that...flowers are the feminine manifest...or you
could do some really hard work like play with
a kitten or a puppy....


I also notice what my left side is doing,
my hand, my face....but I work with
balance....I also ask for specific
help on specific matters from guidance...


Wm

hy

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Gargoyle wrote:

This post reminds me of the song... "can you feel it, there talkin
about us, tellin lies, no that's no surprise.." or how ever it goes.
:)

Alexandra Ceelie

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> I didn't say *I* would have done that, just that Spike did that. Besides,
> I've been saying since the beginning of Time, I'm the very embodiment of
> all that is sweet, innocent, beautiful, lovely, and fluffy! hehehehe

::lickkkkkkkkkk::

Hmmm... definitely not a dessert goyle. Too salty.
Main corpse, maybe.

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"The Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)" wrote:
>
> "hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF5B014...@shaw.ca...
> >> I don't know. I did a tarot reading, and it said that I was
> > restricting the feminine part of me.
>
> Maybe your underwear is too tight

:) I laughed, but later today, my left eye actually erupted.. so, I
think this is serious.

hy

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William Tucker wrote:

> I have a conversation in regard to the original spread...

> what do I need to do to avoid this?


> what do I need to adjust to compensate for this?
> am I understanding what you are trying to say here?
> is there an alternate path to take I am not seeing at this time?
> is there a part of this I am not interpreting correctly?
> what do you mean by the tower followed by the sun?
> is this a necessary thing that I am going through?

I do this as well, usually, if I have prepared in a way to my liking,
first.

I think this post will do well for others in arw. Thank you.

hy

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I am working on this now, I will try to meditate on scents of jasmine,
and actually I have a pot of jasmine perfume. I have meditated, since
I read this first, on similar ideas, and feelings. I felt and looked
different to myself. And then later I suffered an injury to my left
side. I thought I was making progress, so why then, the injury. I do
not know.

William Tucker

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"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF89F3B...@shaw.ca...
> William Tucker wrote:
> >


Wm:


> > When I work with someone that is blocked from their
> > feminine energies I wear Jasmine in my hair....and hold
> > them with my gaze in compassionate attention....rose
> > is also good....I don't have my flower essence books
> > here...there are feminine toning herbs, scented baths,
> > herbal sleeping bundles...rose bowls...like
> > that...flowers are the feminine manifest...or you
> > could do some really hard work like play with
> > a kitten or a puppy....
> >
> > I also notice what my left side is doing,
> > my hand, my face....but I work with
> > balance....I also ask for specific
> > help on specific matters from guidance...
> >
> > Wm

hy:


> I am working on this now, I will try to meditate on scents of jasmine,
> and actually I have a pot of jasmine perfume. I have meditated, since
> I read this first, on similar ideas, and feelings. I felt and looked
> different to myself. And then later I suffered an injury to my left
> side. I thought I was making progress, so why then, the injury. I do
> not know.


sometimes things happen to us because we are connected....

the left eye is spirit eye, the right eye "getting things done
in this world"

in a sense the left is the feeling aspect
the right the will or manifesting aspect

when my left eye hurts...something I am doing or someone
else is doing is injuring my spirit perspective

when my right eye hurts...something I am doing or someone
else is doing is hurting my manifestive perspective


I focus on the pain....and try to work through it like the cards
and move towards correcting it...when I am doing the right
thing then the pain or injury or path heals...


when a person is sensitive enough to notice these kinds
of things that sensitivity gives them a vulnerability,
and a
strength...opening to what needs to be done to move
back into balance is a strength...sometimes what needs
to be done can make a person uncomfortable
...change is always uncomfortable
until you learn to live as change...directing from a core
of (allow and manifest)


I work on maintaining balance not blaming,
if one wants to move forward then one must
work from their being and move things back
into balance


Wm


William Tucker

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"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF89F3B...@shaw.ca...

> I am working on this now, I will try to meditate on scents of jasmine,
> and actually I have a pot of jasmine perfume. I have meditated, since
> I read this first, on similar ideas, and feelings. I felt and looked
> different to myself. And then later I suffered an injury to my left
> side. I thought I was making progress, so why then, the injury. I do
> not know.

what was the injury and what are the surrounding relating circumstances
if you can talk about it....what do those areas relating to your injury
mean to you in your life....like dream analysis


Wm


hy

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I keep getting some sort of dream either about myself - being injured
on the left (for example, suffering a stroke on the left side), or "my
mother" and I am looking to see how she was hurt, why, and trying to
find the source and stop her from being hurt.

I went to the dr, he doesn't know what happened. My left eyeball is
not red or itchy, or sore, but it is uncomfortable, because the
eyeball material has erupted, possibly from pressure from underneath
causing a blister, is what the dr said. There is no liquids coming out
of it, or anything, its not infected, it just looks like I have big
piece of plastic stuck to my eye. But he says there is nothing in it.
It is a bit blurry, but not as much as you would think for something
like this to happen. Maybe I got a chemical in it or something, or its
from swimming.

Back to "my mother" I was wondering, alchemically, about the spirit
and the soul, and the apparent movement of people towards attaining a
higher self, and was wondering if this injures "the mother" in any
way, and if so, is this really supposed to happen then? And if so, for
all people? Or do we just misunderstand. For me, I believed that we
had to unify the mother and father within us.

Is it something coming from me, or happening around me, I don't know.

William Tucker

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"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF9162F...@shaw.ca...

> William Tucker wrote:
> >
> > "hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:3CF89F3B...@shaw.ca...
> > > I am working on this now, I will try to meditate on scents of jasmine,
> > > and actually I have a pot of jasmine perfume. I have meditated, since
> > > I read this first, on similar ideas, and feelings. I felt and looked
> > > different to myself. And then later I suffered an injury to my left
> > > side. I thought I was making progress, so why then, the injury. I do
> > > not know.


Wm:


> > what was the injury and what are the surrounding relating circumstances
> > if you can talk about it....what do those areas relating to your injury
> > mean to you in your life....like dream analysis

hy:


> I keep getting some sort of dream either about myself - being injured
> on the left (for example, suffering a stroke on the left side), or "my
> mother" and I am looking to see how she was hurt, why, and trying to
> find the source and stop her from being hurt.

in reality:
you can affect your dream stuff by working within
reality,
the clue in this case

stroke

how do you feel about gingko?
how do you feel about bilberry?
does anyone near to you smoke?
how do you feel about garlic?

and
don't try and identify who or why
initially...just work with it

....it may not be your stroke....or anyone in your family....
it may be someone that you are connected to energetically,
someone that is attracted to or related to you karmically

I went to work on some
people that needed "orange" and felt compelled to drink a can
of orange juice uncut with water before I did...later it worked
out well...I'll get an image to take some selenium and come
into contact with someone that has heart issues....I'll take it
twice more and then the urge/message stops...celery too...
celery contains germanium...which the part of the heart that
does/iniates the heart beat has something like 100 times
more germanium in the muscle there than any other
muscle....not having enough germanium causes arrythmia...


in symbolic/dream terms:

stroke to me means"impairment"

or the stroke of a rod in punishment...

or a stroke of good luck

in general terms to me,
femininity is receptivness and or nurturing

it doen't have to mean it is your receptivity
or in any way related to your real mother


hy:


> I went to the dr, he doesn't know what happened. My left eyeball is
> not red or itchy, or sore, but it is uncomfortable, because the
> eyeball material has erupted, possibly from pressure from underneath
> causing a blister, is what the dr said. There is no liquids coming out
> of it, or anything, its not infected, it just looks like I have big
> piece of plastic stuck to my eye. But he says there is nothing in it.
> It is a bit blurry, but not as much as you would think for something
> like this to happen. Maybe I got a chemical in it or something, or its
> from swimming.

could be a reaction....

suggestion, go through the process of "understanding" it
in a non-judgemental way

first dance/move, clear yourself, smudge,
get some music that helps
you to remember who you are...


if it were me I would sit down, and feel of it
without touching it while being aware of my
entire body....while Iwas touching it with
_my attention_ I would see what comes
up for me, herbs, food, places, people,
names, images...and note them

I would then ask my guidance which of these things were
pertinent, while maintaining my own systems of does this
seem/sound/feel/could be true or correct....what do I need
here....is it to add/change/eliminate that I need to do, what
combination of that to the things that are affecting this do
I need to go...is this and injury to concern my self with or
is my course being altered so I'll be someplace and take
care of something.....and so on...

hy:


> Back to "my mother" I was wondering, alchemically, about the spirit
> and the soul, and the apparent movement of people towards attaining a
> higher self, and was wondering if this injures "the mother" in any
> way, and if so, is this really supposed to happen then?

I think actually using things to positively affect the ecology
of the world are useful....man kind is part of that ecology
but it certainly wasn't set up that man kind should be like
the total inconsiderate consumer....so any time you use
higher power to subjugate...something squeaks and emitts
crap energy...which someone has to clean up...usually the
more sensitive types..

there are ways of working with this....

the mother is not injured if she is included in the equation...like
femininity is not injured if women when being competitive don't
"act like men," if they bring something more to the table than
rule by power over....if they bring in the
mentallity of "power with" then we all gain just like when you
blend wines for a smoother flavor when there is too much
tannin or whatever....when things run smoothly

> And if so, for all people?

The tone of the world belongs to all beings, those who
are affected the most can have the most effect because
they can see the "shape of the wind," a true being of the
world makes contact with "all beings" and includes them
selves in this and then works with "the tone of the world"
not by controlling but by singing......emenating....

> Or do we just misunderstand.

everyone has a piece of the puzzle....I don't know, I do
as best I can and talk to other people to make sure that
I'm not on some head trip...and make sure that it is
"for the highest good of all life forms," andthat I am
included in that wish/desire/manifestation

it seems that most people that are at a higher ability
level tend to act rather than confer/consult...I have some
issues about what I perceive of as that lack of
responsibility...not a lot of people post openly
about this stuff

> For me, I believed that we
> had to unify the mother and father within us.

everyone has an ida and a pingala and so on


Had to I don't know about, unifying the mother
and father seems to be an evolutionary thing,
growth takes place, apparently it's been talked about
having been done since before history started being kept...

Thunderbird/Prometheus and so on

what is supposed to happen, what is happening and
how it's "supposed" to happen is sort of up to all of
us....we all work at the level that we are at...and I
guess we affect and are affected by...and that is
our feedback...the point is not to take something
as having meaning out of context.....

hy:


> Is it something coming from me,
or happening around me, I don't know.

doing the work that I outlined above related to
your injury should provide that information and
then act on it while being linked with your work and
you'll get verification by a change in feelings...so
you can stop/switch/modulate as you need to

Wm

hy

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William Tucker wrote:

I was just meditating on this, while you were writing to me. Because
of your last post, I remembered, actually, having a dream the night
before last, where one of my friends in the dream, asked me "what
happened to your eye, who hurt you", at first, I sort of shrugged, and
he sort of was upset that I couldn't tell him, or wouldn't. And then
we talked about it, and that is when we went to look for who was
hurting the archetypal mother. (before that in my dream, I was looking
for who was hurting my mother).

It is some bald guy, heh.. and of course, it had water in the dream, I
was washed down this swift river, (from a lake with mines in it).. and
I swear I was almost dead before I got washed up at the feat of where
the bad guy and his gang were hanging out waiting for us to wash up.
But he wasn't bad to me or anything, I think he was amused. I don't
remember the ending. (of course).

> in reality:
> you can affect your dream stuff by working within
> reality,
> the clue in this case

I am trying you know...



> stroke
>
> how do you feel about gingko?
> how do you feel about bilberry?
> does anyone near to you smoke?
> how do you feel about garlic?

the guy downstairs, smokes all the time, and I am waking up with it
constantly, it comes through the window, and when that's closed, it
comes through my vents. Haven't smelled it in the last 2 days though.

ginkgo.. not sure, bilberry, i have been drinking blueberry, knew i
needed it for my eyes. It worked.

garlic.. well, I don't mind the taste, but I think I am sensitive to
it. I like it in small amounts.


> and
> don't try and identify who or why
> initially...just work with it

I am trying, but, I can't seem to sense my eye. Doesn't feel like it
is part of me.

> ....it may not be your stroke....or anyone in your family....
> it may be someone that you are connected to energetically,
> someone that is attracted to or related to you karmically

I told a few people already, in my dream, I saw an owl, but not my
usual owl.. so I walked to the window, and i saw lightning strike the
electrical power.. and the power line fell to the ground thrashing.
and i wasn't sure if the lightning or the live wire, through me across
the room to hit the wall...
but.. i thought it was me, and sort of like it was a fake owl, who
made me go to the window to be hurt. I don't know.



> I went to work on some
> people that needed "orange" and felt compelled to drink a can
> of orange juice uncut with water before I did...later it worked
> out well...I'll get an image to take some selenium and come
> into contact with someone that has heart issues....I'll take it
> twice more and then the urge/message stops...celery too...
> celery contains germanium...which the part of the heart that
> does/iniates the heart beat has something like 100 times
> more germanium in the muscle there than any other
> muscle....not having enough germanium causes arrythmia...

I haven't really felt anything weird cravings lately. except for
chocolate chips :) which is not usually my normal craving.


> in symbolic/dream terms:
>
> stroke to me means"impairment"
>
> or the stroke of a rod in punishment...
>
> or a stroke of good luck



> in general terms to me,
> femininity is receptivness and or nurturing
>
> it doen't have to mean it is your receptivity
> or in any way related to your real mother

there seems to be a lot of stuff going on in my dreams lately.. so
something is going on.


> suggestion, go through the process of "understanding" it
> in a non-judgemental way
>
> first dance/move, clear yourself, smudge,
> get some music that helps
> you to remember who you are...

I have been listening to music, and meditating to it, and remembering.
I haven't smudged, I will in a few hours though, thank you for
reminding me. I have been working on clearing me and my energy.

> if it were me I would sit down, and feel of it
> without touching it while being aware of my
> entire body....while Iwas touching it with
> _my attention_ I would see what comes
> up for me, herbs, food, places, people,
> names, images...and note them

I felt you, for a brief moment, like a little spark in my chest, but
that might be because you were writing here. And besides that, I felt,
like I had already done my work yesterday, and it wasn't going to show
me any more today. the lights didn't go on, you know? Then I
remembered about the dream, and my friend. But I have lost contact
with him, I don't know where he is, its been a year now. He was
protecting me.

> I would then ask my guidance which of these things were
> pertinent, while maintaining my own systems of does this
> seem/sound/feel/could be true or correct....what do I need
> here....is it to add/change/eliminate that I need to do, what
> combination of that to the things that are affecting this do
> I need to go...is this and injury to concern my self with or
> is my course being altered so I'll be someplace and take
> care of something.....and so on...

yes, I will work some more and ask.



> hy:
> > Back to "my mother" I was wondering, alchemically, about the spirit
> > and the soul, and the apparent movement of people towards attaining a
> > higher self, and was wondering if this injures "the mother" in any
> > way, and if so, is this really supposed to happen then?
>
> I think actually using things to positively affect the ecology
> of the world are useful....man kind is part of that ecology
> but it certainly wasn't set up that man kind should be like
> the total inconsiderate consumer....so any time you use
> higher power to subjugate...something squeaks and emitts
> crap energy...which someone has to clean up...usually the
> more sensitive types..
>
> there are ways of working with this....
>
> the mother is not injured if she is included in the equation...like
> femininity is not injured if women when being competitive don't
> "act like men," if they bring something more to the table than
> rule by power over....if they bring in the
> mentallity of "power with" then we all gain just like when you
> blend wines for a smoother flavor when there is too much
> tannin or whatever....when things run smoothly

yes, thank you, I feel the same way, but had forgotten, until you
stated this. (the last 3 paragraphs).
tannin that word seems important.



> > And if so, for all people?
>
> The tone of the world belongs to all beings, those who
> are affected the most can have the most effect because
> they can see the "shape of the wind," a true being of the
> world makes contact with "all beings" and includes them
> selves in this and then works with "the tone of the world"
> not by controlling but by singing......emenating....

I understand what you mean. I am not a true being of the wind, because
I have lack of faith, I have questions and ideals rest heavily on my
shoulders. Actions are always a harsh thing for me to take.

I am too heavy, my spirit is no longer free.


> > Or do we just misunderstand.
>
> everyone has a piece of the puzzle....I don't know, I do
> as best I can and talk to other people to make sure that
> I'm not on some head trip...and make sure that it is
> "for the highest good of all life forms," andthat I am
> included in that wish/desire/manifestation

I do this as well, but a lot of people don't wish to exchange these
ideas.

> it seems that most people that are at a higher ability
> level tend to act rather than confer/consult...I have some
> issues about what I perceive of as that lack of
> responsibility...not a lot of people post openly
> about this stuff

what does this mean about me?



> > For me, I believed that we
> > had to unify the mother and father within us.
>
> everyone has an ida and a pingala and so on

when I first read this the word pingala was underlined.. lol

ooh, I just looked it up. Actually, my nerve bundle- the pingala is
visible on the outside of my nose, and gets weird things going on, if
I activate it.
ok..I am out, to get my eye checked again, and will be back later.
thank you for the help, the push, etc. :)

William Tucker

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just a short one...


"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF93832...@shaw.ca...

be careful with he made me/she made me....if someone
is working against you it will be there...don't look for it,
someone could just be unevolved and talking trash with
no purpose behind it and still have an effect on you....
like being distracted while you're driving...there is a
world of difference between enevolved shit spewers and
malignant force the main one being concious intent...


<snip>

seeing doesn't require faith...faith comes from recieving
support on the path


> I have questions and ideals rest heavily on my shoulders.

do the thing of paying attention while you take action,
just moving your cup on a table can give you answers...
ask for the answer/explanation and if ask if you understand
what is being said...

> Actions are always a harsh thing for me to take

take partial actions...work up to a full one

> I am too heavy, my spirit is no longer free.

take a poop, ;-)


> > > Or do we just misunderstand.
> >
> > everyone has a piece of the puzzle....I don't know, I do
> > as best I can and talk to other people to make sure that
> > I'm not on some head trip...and make sure that it is
> > "for the highest good of all life forms," andthat I am
> > included in that wish/desire/manifestation
>
> I do this as well, but a lot of people don't wish to exchange these
> ideas.
>
> > it seems that most people that are at a higher ability
> > level tend to act rather than confer/consult...I have some
> > issues about what I perceive of as that lack of
> > responsibility...not a lot of people post openly
> > about this stuff
>
> what does this mean about me?

nothing, was talking about others that display
knowledge and don't share insight but maneuver
for position...old world thinking...
got to sell/got to own/got to get position...

hy

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William Tucker wrote:
> be careful with he made me/she made me....if someone
> is working against you it will be there...don't look for it,
> someone could just be unevolved and talking trash with
> no purpose behind it and still have an effect on you....
> like being distracted while you're driving...there is a
> world of difference between enevolved shit spewers and
> malignant force the main one being concious intent...

I know hey, it is a trap. That's sort of where I think I am, maybe
that angel of hell is holding me right now, ready for me to realize
what I am doing, so that I can emerge from the hells. I didn't really
have any emotional stock in all of this, you know? But it kept going
on for so long, that it was starting to really irritate me, and I
think my whole eye thing is what sort of made me feel like "help me,
what do I need to do to realize what is going on". And that is when I
started to worry. And you are right, it did have an effect on me. Not
a huge one, but enough to make me write here about it, and ask for
help.

So above all, thank you for your help, when I needed it. It is hard to
help on the net, because you have all those weirdo's just goofing
around, for the fun of it, asking for help. So I really mean it when I
say, thank you for taking the time to talk this out with me.

> > > The tone of the world belongs to all beings, those who
> > > are affected the most can have the most effect because
> > > they can see the "shape of the wind," a true being of the
> > > world makes contact with "all beings" and includes them
> > > selves in this and then works with "the tone of the world"
> > > not by controlling but by singing......emenating....
> >
> > I understand what you mean. I am not a true being of the wind, because
> > I have lack of faith
>
> seeing doesn't require faith...faith comes from recieving
> support on the path

no but lack of faith colours what you see.


> > I have questions and ideals rest heavily on my shoulders.
>
> do the thing of paying attention while you take action,
> just moving your cup on a table can give you answers...
> ask for the answer/explanation and if ask if you understand
> what is being said...

> > Actions are always a harsh thing for me to take
>
> take partial actions...work up to a full one
>
> > I am too heavy, my spirit is no longer free.
>
> take a poop, ;-)

oh man, you used that word with me. I hate that word. grr, gross.. and
you used it spiritually too. ick.. I knew if I unbanned that word, it
would haunt me. :P
but you are right, release baggage, I deserved that.

Alexandra Ceelie

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"Gargoyle" <ga...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:346FD73F6E4ADD63.FC28C763...@lp.airnews.net...

> On Fri, 31 May 2002 19:30:22 -0400, "Alexandra Ceelie"
> <netk...@netzero.net> wrote:
>
> >"Gargoyle" <ga...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> >news:533C0248668D1091.CA1490AB...@lp.airnews.net...
> >> I didn't say *I* would have done that, just that Spike did that.
Besides,
> >> I've been saying since the beginning of Time, I'm the very embodiment
of
> >> all that is sweet, innocent, beautiful, lovely, and fluffy! hehehehe
> >
> >::lickkkkkkkkkk::
> >
> >Hmmm... definitely not a dessert goyle. Too salty.
> >Main corpse, maybe.
>
> Hmmmph! I make for the perfect dessert! hehehehe


Only if you saying you want to come at the end of the meal...

::purrs::


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> "The Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)" <the_wi...@yahoo.Xcom.X>
> wrote in message news:6mdJ8.9930$gb1.4...@twister.kc.rr.com...
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> : > I'll have to ask her. She's trusted me with them and they're not mine
to
> : > share.
> :
> : for the gods' sake, we are talking about DREAMS not her underwear
> :
>
> Could be she's dreaming about underwear... ;)

that would be a shorts subject

The Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)

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"William Tucker" <wmft...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF72FB6...@shaw.ca...
> > William Tucker wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> first I clear myself of the current times energies, dance, breathe,
> get neutral...then I connect with the deck

sounds like a drunken sailor

The Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)

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"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3CF88795...@shaw.ca...

your underwear is DEFINITELY too tight

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blujuju

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"The Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)" <the_wi...@yahoo.Xcom.X>
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: "blujuju" <blu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

: news:ad7u2l$ube1o$1...@ID-137257.news.dfncis.de...
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: > "The Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)"
<the_wi...@yahoo.Xcom.X>
: > wrote in message news:6mdJ8.9930$gb1.4...@twister.kc.rr.com...
: > :
: > : "blujuju" <blu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > : news:ad17q7$tftmr$1...@ID-137257.news.dfncis.de...
: > : >
: > :
: > : > I'll have to ask her. She's trusted me with them and they're not
mine
: to
: > : > share.
: > :
: > : for the gods' sake, we are talking about DREAMS not her underwear
: > :
: >
: > Could be she's dreaming about underwear... ;)
:
: that would be a shorts subject

In brief, yes.


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hy

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Jun 3, 2002, 4:40:15 AM6/3/02
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Hey William, I think I got it. It was me, I am the one who did all of
this in a repetitive loop. It all makes sense now.

vanda

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On Mon, 27 May 2002 15:09:34 GMT, "Shadow Dancer"
<inso...@nospam.winterslight.org> wrote:

>The season of death is coming to an end, and an incredible rebirth is in the
>works. Understanding of love will leap forward light-years. People will be
>happy, and bountifully blessed.
>

Yes, I feel it.
I posted about it a while back. (a week or two).
Everything is wonderful for me right now and I think it is getting
better.

Oh, SD, btw, what I said wasn't a threat. I was just trying to
protect someone.
I will say I don't feel you were responsible.
But what I do feel is that there is something restricting you, perhaps
by your own unconscious choice, which is hurting you.

Das Uber Bitch

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You are such a mindless tool. I hope fOt ruins you, sincerely I do.

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Lush

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Repose, or?

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> Only....... I never lie. Except when I sleep, that is. hehehehehe
>
> Gargoyle >;)-~~~~~~
>
> Death is the Gargoyle.
> "From Here, everything is past, including the future."


The Talesin

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Jun 12, 2002, 7:50:13 AM6/12/02
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Can you feel the weird energy that has suddenly come over this group?
Something bad happened to someone, didn't it?

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Jani

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Jun 12, 2002, 9:24:30 AM6/12/02
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And who would you like that 'someone' to be, David?

Jani

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Shadow Dancer

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"Jani" <ja...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> And who would you like that 'someone' to be, David?
>
> Jani
>
> "The Talesin" <the_wi...@yahoo.XcomX.> wrote in message
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> > Can you feel the weird energy that has suddenly come over this group?
> > Something bad happened to someone, didn't it?

I think he farted sideways and got a cheap thrill out of it.


blujuju

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"The Talesin" <the_wi...@yahoo.XcomX.> wrote in message
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: Can you feel the weird energy that has suddenly come over this group?

: Something bad happened to someone, didn't it?

This group is a chrysalis.
What'll it turn into?
Hmmm...

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Jun 12, 2002, 9:30:32 PM6/12/02
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Jani wrote:
> And who would you like that 'someone' to be, David?
>

You, but that hope is now dashed.

FrostOwl

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Jun 12, 2002, 10:18:58 PM6/12/02
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Maybe it's because I came back.

In article <VzGN8.2977$2e2....@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, The Talesin
<the_wi...@yahoo.XcomX.> wrote:

> Can you feel the weird energy that has suddenly come over this group?
> Something bad happened to someone, didn't it?
>
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I ride all alone and can't see ... the road to nowhere anymore
And shadows whispers are calling me ... to forbidden forest by the shore
And there she fell deep in the night ... one breath away from heaven's light
And she said -- don't cry for me because I'll be
Riding the wind forever free (B. Lawless)

As the grass dances in the breeze,
And the crickets begin to chirp
Just as the sun begins to melt into the earth,
My goddess approaches
Her auburn hair flowing
blowing
dancing along with each blade of grass. (FrostOwl)

Parse Tree

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Jun 12, 2002, 10:55:13 PM6/12/02
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"The Talesin" <the_wi...@yahoo.XcomX.> wrote in message
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> Can you feel the weird energy that has suddenly come over this group?
> Something bad happened to someone, didn't it?

I can't believe I didn't notice this message.

Yes, I felt it too.

Alexandra Ceelie

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Jun 13, 2002, 1:43:08 PM6/13/02
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Where's your girlfriend?


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Zephera MorningStar

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Jun 13, 2002, 3:02:53 PM6/13/02
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FrostOwl wrote:

>Maybe it's because I came back.

Oh!!!!!!! My Gods!!!!!!!! Frost!!! Zephy gives you a big welcome
back hug and smooch...

hy

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Jun 13, 2002, 4:51:43 PM6/13/02
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It's the return to feminine.

Our bodies, learned how to understand and feel, our distances had to
increase, to be rid the intensity, so that we could learn from a
distance. Our senses overpowering us even with this distance, so that
we felt separated and nothing, after our attention had waned from
these learning's. This learning, our masculine.

Now, suddenly, we take that distance and we diminish its source. We
learn no longer from afar, but from up close. We touch, we feel, we
are aware and conscious. Our divine selves, we now feel, as a part of
us. Our heart centers now encompass our sphere of consciousness, and
yet our feet still touch the ground on which we walk on.

Knowledge and feeling and understanding, flow from head to foot and
beyond. All energy centers working now, and the creative juices
working, wanting to burst.

Now we have both feminine and masculine inside of us, embodied by us,
microcosmically, and our macrocosmic feminine and masculine also in
line, at once, in this instant. This is a gift, as well as an
accomplishment of long hard and sometimes dry or fun work. Enjoy this
gift, for right at this moment it is complete.

Jani

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You shouldn't put so much faith in hope.

Jani

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Parse Tree

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Jun 13, 2002, 7:59:23 PM6/13/02
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"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3D0905DF...@shaw.ca...

I can't believe I just realized that you're a scientologist now. Usually I
can pick it up earlier.


The Talesin

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hy wrote:
> Parse Tree wrote:
>>
>> "The Talesin" <the_wi...@yahoo.XcomX.> wrote in message
>> news:VzGN8.2977$2e2....@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>> Can you feel the weird energy that has suddenly come over this
>>> group? Something bad happened to someone, didn't it?
>>
>> I can't believe I didn't notice this message.
>>
>> Yes, I felt it too.
>
> It's the return to feminine.

If you are going to KF me I don't want you responding on my threads or
changing the subject.
And you are full of shit.


Parse, please respond to this post if you be so kind.

FrostOwl

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Jun 13, 2002, 11:29:45 PM6/13/02
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Thanks Zephy! Feathers & smooches back to ya. 8^}

I don't know how much posting I'll actually do, since I'm still busier
than a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest, but I should be
tossing in my 2 cents here and there.

FrostOwl

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