Is The Christian Trinity A Form Of Polytheism?

[Immortalist]

Some Critics of Christianity have criticized the concept of the
Trinity as "soft_polytheism."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytheism#Christianity

Soft polytheism is a variety of polytheism in which adherents believe
in many Gods and Goddesses but consider them to be manifestations or
"aspects" of a single God (or God and Goddess) rather than completely
distinct entities. Soft polytheism may include varieties of monolatry,
henotheism or polytheist mythologies coupled with forms of pantheism
or panentheism.

"Soft polytheists" regard their multiplicity of gods as being
manifestations of either common entities, or representing different
aspects or facets of a single personal god, the latter also sometimes
known as "inclusive monotheists", as are many modern neofpagan groups.
[citation needed]

Ancient Egyptian religion in its later phase (New Kingdom) espoused
soft polytheism in the form of triads or triple Gods or Goddesses.
They believed that certain Gods were aspects of a great God. Amon was
an aspect of Ra and was usually known as Amon-Ra. The presence of
triple Gods such as Ptah-Sokar-Osiris, or "the Trinity", shows that
even though their Gods may have distinct personalities and traits,
they are considered to be aspects of another deity.[citation needed]
In Hinduism, the Smartha tradition can also be seen as a form of soft
polytheism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monistic-polytheism

[Jahnu]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 06:36:48 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
<reanima...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Some Critics of Christianity have criticized the concept of the
>Trinity as "soft_polytheism."

"The religion and philosophy of the Hebrews are those of a wilder and
ruder tribe, wanting the civility and intellectual refinements and
subtlety of Vedic culture." - Henry David Thoreau

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[Immortalist]

On May 18, 6:48 am, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 May 2013 06:36:48 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
>

> <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Some Critics of Christianity have criticized the concept of the
> >Trinity as "soft_polytheism."
>
> "The religion and philosophy of the Hebrews are those of a wilder and
> ruder tribe, wanting the civility and intellectual refinements and
> subtlety of Vedic culture."  - Henry David Thoreau
>

So the worth or truth of a religion depends not on some evidence but
only on how complex they are when compared to each other? Weak, you
lose already thought of that one, try again.

"The religion and philosophy of the Hebrews and Vedic culture are

those of a wilder and ruder tribe, wanting the civility and

intellectual refinements and subtlety of an Animistic nature culture."
 - Me Fucking You

Animism is the idea that souls or spirits exist not only in humans but
also in animals, plants, rocks, natural phenomena such as thunder,
geographic features such as mountains or rivers, or other entities of
the natural environment. Animism may further attribute souls to
abstract concepts such as words, true names or metaphors in mythology.
Animism is particularly widely found in the religions of indigenous
peoples, although it is also found in Shinto, and some forms of
Hinduism, Sikhism, Pantheism and Neopaganism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism

The term animism is derived from the Latin word anima meaning breath
or soul. The belief of animism is probably one of man's oldest
beliefs, with its origin most likely dating to the Paleolithic age.
From its earliest beginnings it was a belief that a soul or spirit
existed in every object, even if it was inanimate. In a future state
this soul or spirit would exist as part of an immaterial soul. The
spirit, therefore, was thought to be universal...

...It is insignificant how men and women gained the belief that a
spirit or soul resides in all objects it is historically evident that
they did. Trees and plants were worshiped as totems or because of
their usefulness and beauty. In many cultures certain trees and plants
have been feared. In some ancient cultures "trees were generally
regarded as maternal deities or forest spirits, to be respected even
when their lives were sacrificed for human use (pagan woodcutters
never felled a tree without first begging its forgiveness). Female
tree spirits live on in myth and folklore as dryads, the Greek version
of the tree-worshiping druid priestesses."

Plants and trees have been considered sacred by themselves because, as
some have thought, they are home to certain spirits. Both the soma
plant of India and the coca shrub of Peru are worshiped for the
intoxicating properties of the products made from them. Field crops,
thought to harbor spirits of infertility, has been honored by ancient
tribesmen and peasants throughout Europe. Traces of these cults can
still be found...

Animism by Alan G. Hefner and Virgilio Guimaraes
http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/a/animism.htm

[duke]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 06:36:48 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist

<reanima...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Some Critics of Christianity have criticized the concept of the
>Trinity as "soft_polytheism."
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytheism#Christianity
>
>Soft polytheism is a variety of polytheism in which adherents believe
>in many Gods and Goddesses but consider them to be manifestations or
>"aspects" of a single God (or God and Goddess) rather than completely
>distinct entities.

There is one God almighty in 3 separate but equal persons.

The dukester, American - American

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[Jahnu]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 07:58:36 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
<reanima...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>So the worth or truth of a religion depends not on some evidence but
>only on how complex they are when compared to each other? Weak, you
>lose already thought of that one, try again.

<blah blah>

Krishna says:

My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)

This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)

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[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 06:36:48 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
<reanima...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Soft polytheism is a variety of polytheism in which adherents believe
>in many Gods and Goddesses but consider them to be manifestations or
>"aspects" of a single God (or God and Goddess) rather than completely
>distinct entities. Soft polytheism may include varieties of monolatry,
>henotheism or polytheist mythologies coupled with forms of pantheism
>or panentheism.

Don't forget the devil. In other religions that would also be a god.

But they're stuck with their "one and only" so they have to
rationalise Jesus and the devil as not being gods.

[Immortalist]

On May 18, 10:33 am, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 May 2013 07:58:36 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
>

> <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >So the worth or truth of a religion depends not on some evidence but
> >only on how complex they are when compared to each other? Weak, you
> >lose already thought of that one, try again.
>
> <blah blah>
>
> Krishna says:
>
> My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
> you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
> you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)
>
> This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
> secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
> perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
> religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)
>

Why should anyone believe any of that shit? Your not very good at
presenting an argument, try again but maybe bring something you can
support. Why do you believe it?

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>

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[Immortalist]

On May 18, 10:24 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 May 2013 06:36:48 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
>

> <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Some Critics of Christianity have criticized the concept of the
> >Trinity as "soft_polytheism."
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytheism#Christianity
>
> >Soft polytheism is a variety of polytheism in which adherents believe
> >in many Gods and Goddesses but consider them to be manifestations or
> >"aspects" of a single God (or God and Goddess) rather than completely
> >distinct entities.
>
> There is one God almighty in 3 separate but equal persons.
>

I guess that explain it all!

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[bil...@microsoft.com]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 19:33:29 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 18 May 2013 07:58:36 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
><reanima...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Krishna says:
>
>My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to

<snip pointless dribble and fairy tales>

seriously let me ask you do you think any of us in
alt.philosophy,alt.atheism Give a fuck what some keishna says? I mean
I read the three little pigs when I was a kid and snow white and
cinderella and all those other fairy tales but I never once picked up
the fairy tale that is krishna because it is fucking rediclous to put
it simply

[Immortalist]

On May 18, 2:42 pm, bil...@microsoft.com wrote:

It does have some redeeming qualities though, with the little blue
gigalo blowin a flute with all the chick following him. Bout as fake
as a Hollywood star!

[Jahnu]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 14:37:23 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
<reanima...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Why should anyone believe any of that shit?

Because it makes sense to listen to God, the Supreme Authority?

>Your not very good at
>presenting an argument, try again but maybe bring something you can
>support. Why do you believe it?

Because I know who God is, what His name is, where He lives, why and
how He created the world, who and what the soul is.

Krishna says:

Now hear, O son of Prtha, how by practicing yoga in full consciousness
of Me, with mind attached to Me, you can know Me in full, free from
doubt. (Bg 7.1)

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[Ken]

On May 19, 4:08 am, Jahnuts wrote this LOAD OF MINDLESS CRAP

> Because I know who God is, what His name is, where He lives...

U don't know shit, FOOL!

[Immortalist]

On May 19, 4:08 am, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 May 2013 14:37:23 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
>

> <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Why should anyone believe any of that shit?
>
> Because it makes sense to listen to God, the Supreme Authority?
>

Why does it make sense to do so?

> >Your not very good at
> >presenting an argument, try again but maybe bring something you can
> >support. Why do you believe it?
>
> Because I know who God is, what His name is, where He lives, why and
> how He created the world, who and what the soul is.
>

You have not provided any convincing evidence that you know the god
nor have you provided any evidence at all in support of your theory of
gods.

An important form of the Argument from Religious Experience focuses on
the issue of mysticism — it might be called the Argument from
Professional Religious Experience. What is claimed is that,
throughout time, in various cultures and places, there have existed
particular individuals who have somehow had direct, personal
experiences with God.

Like the general Argument from Religious Experiences, it is claimed
that these experiences should be given the same credence as other
experiential claims and should not be rejected out of hand. But unlike
the general argument, it is observed that mystics spend a lot of time
working on understanding and reaching God — they are professionals, in
a sense, and their observations and conclusions should be treated like
those of other professionals.

How should we respond to this argument? The first thing to note is
that, as with general religious experiences reported by others, there
is a tremendous amount of variety in the reports by religious mystics
over the millennia. Not only are the reports from different religions
mutually incompatible, but not even all the reports in a single
religious tradition are compatible.

This embarrassment of riches is an Achilles’ Heel of the Argument from
Religious Experiences, including mystical reports. If they can’t all
be true, how do we differentiate the incorrect reports from the
correct reports? How can any one mystic give us a good reason to
accept his or her claims over and above the claims made by others?

Another problem with these mystical claims is how the mystical
experiences themselves originated. It is unclear how the religious
experiences of an “average” person originate, but they are not so
intense and spectacular as to require an unusual explanation. Mystical
experiences, however, need a bit more digging.

Fortunately, the mystics themselves often provide the answer because
even though the reports from mystics vary greatly, the road they take
is shared much more closely. The usual recipe for these experiences is
some sort of deprivation — going without food, water, and often sleep,
sitting in the heat of a desert or sweat lodge, isolation from human
contact, the repetition of chants or prayer, and even the use of
drugs.

All of this is unusual — they are not the sorts of things that a
normal person does over the course of a normal life. Is it really so
surprising that going through extremely unusual physical experiences
will produce unusual effects in the brain? Deprivation of food, water,
sleep and human contact will, over time, result in hallucinations.
When you add in certain drugs, visions are even more likely.

Because hallucinations happen in your brain, they are naturally
informed by what you know, what you believe, and what you expect. To
put it another way, when you are looking to have visions, and actually
prepare your brain for them, then you are likely to find just what you
were expecting.

Dr. Michael Persinger in Canada can produce mystical visions in people
with a mechanical device and what people see is heavily influenced
even just by the sort of things he has in his office. When he plays
music with an Eastern theme, people tend to have Buddhist-type
visions. When he hangs crucifixes in the room and plays Christian
chants, people have Christian-type visions.

Because there are possible physical and natural explanations for these
mystical experiences, and because they can actually be produced at
will in very natural ways, it becomes incumbent upon the supporter of
mysticism to help us differentiate between the naturally induced
experiences and those which allegedly have a supernatural origin.

One curious issue with the claim that mystics’ experiences of God
provide good reasons to believe that God really exists is the question
of just how a person can claim to recognize God. What arguments or
evidence, without resorting to question begging, can a person use to
claim that whatever they experienced is necessarily that of the god
they believe in?

Perceptual recognition is something which can merit skepticism even in
mundane matters we encounter in everyday life. Consider how easy it
can be to make an error in recognition when it comes to the voices or
faces or writing styles of people we know very well — but how would we
“know” the voice or face or speaking style of “god”?

Michael Martin offers the example of someone claiming to have spoken
on the phone with a person who seemed to be the strongest man of
County Cork. How on earth could such an identification be made merely
on the basis of a voice? Perhaps if the person was an expert on Irish
accents at least a small part of the claim could be justified — but
only a very small part.

These same problems occur with the claims made that someone has spoken
with God or even just “experienced” God. This claim cannot be taken at
face value: we need to know what part of this experience justifies the
conclusion that it involved “God” — with all of the qualities and
attributes alleged for this god, like omniscience, omnipotence,
omnibenevolence, etc. — and not an experience of something else, even
if it is another supernatural being.

A traditional question based upon this dilemma is, “Are you so sure
that you can’t be fooled and it wasn’t Satan who spoke to you?” You
don’t have to be a believer in God or Satan to recognize the
importance of such a question. The point is, no one has offered a
sound basis for differentiating between an experience of “god” and of
something else entirely.

http://atheism.about.com/od/argumentsforgod/a/mysticism.htm

And the general argument from religious experience
http://atheism.about.com/od/argumentsforgod/a/religexperience.htm

> Krishna says:
>

Like a weirdo

[Jahnu]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 07:33:24 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
<reanima...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Why does it make sense to do so?

Because only an absolute, omnicient being can give us reality as it

is.

>You have not provided any convincing evidence that you know the god
>nor have you provided any evidence at all in support of your theory of
>gods.

What you find convincing is completely irrelevant.

<blah blah>

The original disease of the living entities inhabiting the material
world lies in their urge to enjoy the body and mind. From a spiritual
point of view it is considered a disease because in its healthy
condition the soul is meant to be enjoyed by Lord Krishna. The soul is
an eternal part of the Totality of all things - Krishna. When the soul
functions in harmony with the Whole it is complete. It is when the
soul does not take part in the Whole, when it acts with itself as
center, that discord arises. It is much like a symphony orchestra -
when all the instruments are in tune and play in harmony with each
other, the sound produced is pleasing to the ear, but as soon as one
instrument deviates from the tune, everything is spoiled.

In describing how we as individuals are meant to serve Krishna, Srila
Prabhupada often used the analogy of a hand being part of the body,
and is meant to serve it in that capacity. If the hand somehow becomes
lame or crippled it disturbs the whole body. The soul's original
position is to be enjoyed by Krishna, but in its diseased condition it
desires to enjoy separately from Krishna. This is like a hand that
desires to enjoy separately from the body. If the hand one day decides
it has had enough of always serving the body by putting food in the
stomach, and instead decides to chew the food itself or throw it on
the ground, the end result is that it will wither and die.

The medicine to cure this disease is bhakti yoga, or devotional
service. Through bhakti the soul can regain its lost original position
as being enjoyed by Krishna. The paradox of devotional service lies in
that we wish to enjoy. In fact, this desire is so strong that it
becomes the driving factor for all our activities. But if we really
want to enjoy we first have to give up the desire for selfish
enjoyment and surrender to Krishna's enjoyment. Therein lies the
paradox. To become truly happy we have to give up the desire to become
happy by material methods. In being enjoyed by Krishna we will
experience a higher satisfaction than that which we can experience by
satisfying the body's senses. Thus, the real thing -- spiritual
satisfaction -- comes from satisfying Krishna.

Spiritual enjoyment means being enjoyed by Krishna and material
enjoyment means trying to enjoy through the senses. Thus material
enjoyment is dependent on externl circumstance -- bodily and mental --
and will cease when disease, old age, or death appear. On the other
hand, spiritual enjoyment is totally independent from such external,
bodily circumstances.

The only condition, the only price we have to pay, is to surrender to
Krishna's service. Service to Krishna can be rendered completely
independent of external circumstances like wealth, education, social
position, bodily beauty, fame etc.

Material enjoyment is indirect because it is experienced through the
senses. Such enjoyment has a beginning and an end and consequently
will always end in misery, because the soul requires eternal
satisfaction. This demand for unending enjoyment can only be fulfilled
by serving Krishna and surrendering to His enjoyment. Only in this way
can the soul experience direct pleasure. Anyone can have access to
such direct, spiritual satisfaction simply by uttering Krishna's name.
It is a very simple process especially designed for this disturbed age
of a Kali. Simply chant Hare Krishna Hare Krisha Krishna Krishna Hare
Hare / Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare and be happy.
Satisfaction is guaranteed.

[duke]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 14:41:37 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
<reanima...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On May 18, 10:24 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 06:36:48 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
>>
>> <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >Some Critics of Christianity have criticized the concept of the
>> >Trinity as "soft_polytheism."
>>
>> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytheism#Christianity
>>
>> >Soft polytheism is a variety of polytheism in which adherents believe
>> >in many Gods and Goddesses but consider them to be manifestations or
>> >"aspects" of a single God (or God and Goddess) rather than completely
>> >distinct entities.
>>
>> There is one God almighty in 3 separate but equal persons.
>>
>
>I guess that explain it all!
>
>http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/p480x480/58087_284571611679033_1584951311_n.jpg

It's evidence that there is more than one person.

[Jahnu]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 17:13:48 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>It's evidence that there is more than one person.

Krishna says:

Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire
from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized
souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth.
(Bg. 4.34)

Having obtained real knowledge from a self-realized soul, you will
never fall again into such illusion, for by this knowledge you will
see that all living beings are but part of the Supreme, or, in other
words, that they are Mine. (Bg. 4.35)

Even if you are considered to be the most sinful of all sinners, when
you are situated in the boat of transcendental knowledge you will be
able to cross over the ocean of miseries. (Bg. 4.36)

As a blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the fire
of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities. (Bg.
4.37)

In this world, there is nothing so sublime and pure as transcendental
knowledge. Such knowledge is the mature fruit of all mysticism. And
one who has become accomplished in the practice of devotional service
enjoys this knowledge within himself in due course of time. (Bg. 4.38)

A faithful man who is dedicated to transcendental knowledge and who
subdues his senses is eligible to achieve such knowledge, and having
achieved it he quickly attains the supreme spiritual peace. (Bg. 4.39)

But ignorant and faithless persons who doubt the revealed scriptures
do not attain God consciousness; they fall down. For the doubting soul
there is happiness neither in this world nor in the next. (Bg. 4.40)

[kni...@baawa.com]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 06:07:16 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:


>Krishna says:
>
>Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire
>from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized
>souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth.
>(Bg. 4.34)

Utter bullshit. Brainwash nonsense.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

[duke]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 06:07:16 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 22 May 2013 17:13:48 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>It's evidence that there is more than one person.
>
>Krishna says:

NOt a thing.

[Jahnu]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 17:44:14 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

<NOt a thing.>

One attains the human form of life after transmigrating through
8,400,000 species by the process of gradual evolution. That human life
is spoiled for those conceited fools who do not take shelter of the
lotus feet of Govinda.

--Brahma-vaivarta Purana

[duke]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 05:48:20 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 24 May 2013 17:44:14 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
><NOt a thing.>
>
>One attains the human form of life after transmigrating through
>8,400,000 species by the process of gradual evolution.

Who's on first?

>That human life
>is spoiled for those conceited fools who do not take shelter of the
>lotus feet of Govinda.

[Jahnu]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 12:03:35 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>Who's on first?

The gradual evolution of consciousness goes from fish, plants,
insects, reptiles, birds, animals, humans, demigods.

The sages says:

Then, in the beginning of Kali-yuga, the Lord will appear as Lord
Buddha, the son of A�jan�, in the province of Gaya, just for the
purpose of deluding those who are envious of the faithful theist.
(SB 1.3.24)

[bil...@microsoft.com]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 20:15:28 +0200, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 25 May 2013 12:03:35 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

oh man not this guy again and his gay ass art

>
>Have a look at my art -
>

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>http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9V- Sudder on GAY street
>http://youtu.be/DC5OHr- - Jahnava is GAY
>http://youtu.be/y9KqLPCW - Krishnart is the MOST GAY

[Jahnu]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 01:31:00 -0500, bil...@microsoft.com wrote:

>oh man not this guy again and his gay ass art

You don't have to be embarrassed, you can tell me if you are gay, it's
ok :)

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