RITVIK is nonsense!
Premananda Das
Sorry guys, but the so-called Ritvik initiation process advocated by
Krishnakant Desai and PADA etc., has never been nor is a valid form of
initiation in the Gaudiya Vaishnava Sampradaya. Where is the "Ritvik
initiation" process mentioned by Sadhu, Guru and Shastra. Give me quotes
from all these three in support of of your "ritvik-vada"; if you can´t,
please get serious and accept the valid process of initiation, namely diksha
from a physically present Guru.
Premananda Dasa
s80...@student.uq.edu.au
KrishnaKant Desai, who was barely out of his nappies when Srila Prabhupada
was giving the instructions that all his disciples have to become a guru,
is just a mundane logician who applied the concept illogically. If you
have read The Final Order (which infact is the first order by the ritvik
rascals!), you will encounter selective quotes with no scriptural
backings. What more, ritviks like Harinam say Srila Prabhupada wrote the
books for all but his letters for ISKCON! Funny ritviks.
I am sorry your question will never be answered with Vaishnava etiquette,
cause your question has no answer! There are no scriptural quotes to
support the ritvik nonsense! So ritviks like Gauridas (in his
correspondence with me) say that Srila Prabhupada could introduce foreign
stuff cause no one did what he had done. Isn't that ridiculous of him to
say so when in fact Srila Prabhupada said an acarya never adds but
presents the scriptures AS IT IS, with consideration for the time, place
and circumstances?
All sum up to say that ritviks talk nonsense, are nonsense and the right
place for writings like The Final Order is the rubbish dump.
And KrishnaKant Desai, an envious fellow, should seriously consider the
great disservice he is doing to Srila Prabhupada. I know he can counter my
points with his foolish and dirty logics based on selection, criticism and
sarcasm. But let's not be pissed by him, instead lets piss him off!
I might sound non-Vaishnava but to quote Gauridas: " Somebodies
got to do the dirty work or it will never end."
Please continue your service to your guru without influence from these
ritvik rascals and their nonsense talk.
Hari Bol.
Sundeep Sharma
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M. Tandy
> Where is the "Ritvik
> initiation" process mentioned by Sadhu, Guru and Shastra. Give me quotes
> from all these three in support of of your "ritvik-vada"; if you can´t,
> please get serious and accept the valid process of initiation, namely diksha
> from a physically present Guru.
Harinama months ago, but all he could do was waffle, stall for time,
and add even more subjective interpretations to those already existing at
the foundation of ritvig-vAda.
MT
Harinam
Srila Prabhupada's ritvik representative of the acarya system is based
on the definition of actual diksa:
"Diksa actually means initiating a disciple with transcendental
knowledge by which he becomes
freed from all material contamination." (Caitanya Caritamrta Madhya
4.111 purport)
"Diksa is the process by which one can awaken his transcendental
knowledge and vanquish all reactions caused by sinful activity. A person
expert in the study of the revealed scriptures knows this process as
diksa." Srila Jiva Goswami - Bhakti-sandarbha (283) C.C. Madhya 108
purport
Your definition seems to be simply "throwing a banana in a fire" which
benefits no one.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Premananda Das wrote:
Hare Krishna!
Sorry guys, but the so-called Ritvik initiation process advocated by
Krishnakant Desai and PADA etc., has never been nor is a valid form of
initiation in the Gaudiya Vaishnava Sampradaya. Where is the "Ritvik
initiation" process mentioned by Sadhu, Guru and Shastra. Give me quotes
from all these three in support of of your "ritvik-vada"; if you can´t,
please get serious and accept the valid process of initiation, namely
diksha
from a physically present Guru.
Premananda Dasa
M. Tandy
>
> Srila Prabhupada's ritvik representative of the acarya system
THIS is the postulation you should defend with guru/sAdhu/zAstra;
we already know the hackneyed pleas you've made in Prabhupada's name.
MT
s80...@student.uq.edu.au
> Your definition seems to be simply "throwing a banana in a fire" which
> benefits no one.
>
So should he engage in writing on mundane things all the non-ritviks are
used to? Say yes and create a joke.
RITVIKS WILL NEVER RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TRUTH TRIUMPHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RITVIKS ARE NONSENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
s80...@student.uq.edu.au
remarks, offend using vulgar words, and quote selectively, thereby
distorting the meaning.
RITVIKS WILL NEVER RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sundeep Sharma
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On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, M. Tandy wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Harinam wrote:
> >
Jahnu
<har...@ilhawaii.net>,wrote:
>Hare Krishna,
>
>Srila Prabhupada's ritvik representative of the acarya system is based
>on the definition of actual diksa:
You are still hallucinating.
Here is what Srila Prabhupada says about diksa:
"God is called caittya-guru, the spiritual master within the heart.
And the physical spiritual master is God's mercy. If God sees that you
are sincere, He will give you a spiritual master who can give you
protection. He will help you from within and without, without in the
physical form of spiritual master, and within as the spiritual master
within the heart." (Room Conversation, Rome, 23 May, 1974)
"Krsna, He is within our heart. Hrdy antah sthah. Therefore, as soon
as we become a little inclined towards Krsna, then from within our
heart He gives us favorable instruction so that we can gradually make
progress, gradually. Krsna is the first spiritual master, and when we
become more interested, then we have to go to a physical spiritual
master. That is enjoined in the next verse. Tad viddhi pranipatena
pariprasnena sevaya, upadeksyanti te jnanam jnaninas tattva- darsinah.
"Nobody can become a medical practitioner simply by purchasing book
from the market and reading at home. That is not possible. You have to
admit yourself in a medical college and undergo training and practical
examination, so many things. Simply by purchasing book, it is not
possible. Similarly, if you want to learn Bhagavad-gita or any
transcendental subject matter, here is the instruction by Lord Krsna
Himself. Lord Krsna Himself, because He is the speaker of this
Bhagavad-gita, He says that tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena
sevaya.
"You must go to a person where you can surrender yourself. That means
you have to check, 'Who is the real person who can give me instruction
on Bhagavad-gita or any Vedic literature, or any scripture, right?'
And not that, to search out a person as a, whimsically. No. You have
to search out a person very serious that, who is actually in the
knowledge of the thing. Otherwise why you shall surrender? No. There
is no necessity of surrender. But here it is said clearly that 'You
have to surrender to a person.' That means you have to find out such
a person where you can voluntarily surrender. Without finding, your
mission will not be fulfilled.
"Not only surrender, not blindly surrender. You must be able to
inquire. Pariprasna. The next qualification is pariprasna. Pariprasna
means inquiry. Without inquiry, you cannot make advance."
(SP's lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, New York, 14 August, 1966)
Pretty clear, eh Mr. Harinam?
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mayesvara w-roberts
I am seeking information about the background of Krishnkanta Desai, the individual who copied the "The Final Order"
Where was he born/raised? Does he have siblings? What city does he reside in? How was he raised, Hindu, Christian, other? Did he ever participate in ISKCON? Was he ever favorable to ISKCON? Where did he get his Krishna Consciousness training from? What is his formal education. How well did he do in elementary, college, & postgraduate schooling? (Grade Point Average?) Did he engage in any after school activities like competitive sports, chess club, debate team etc? Does anyone have photos of him they are willing to send to me? Who does he currently work for? How does he earn his income? Has he ever been in trouble with the law? Who are his closest friends? Has he wronged, betrayed or intentionally treated anyone dishonorably? If so who are those individuals.
Considering how aggressively promoted the Final Order is, I though it would be a fair inquiry to find out more about the man who has dedicated his life to promoting it. Please share this inquiry with anyone you know who might be able to help establish a clear profile about Krishnkanta. He has become a public figure and therefore the pubic has a right to know more about this influential individual. . How many believe his only motive is to "…restore ISKCON to it's former glory?"
If anyone has information, about him or can point me to a place where it is available please share it with me anyway you prefer. My email address is: mdjagdasa @ gmail.com