Judge Finds Onni Durst Lies Under Oath - BIG SURPRISE
Ford Greene
Deception To Confuse All At To Whom The Real Beast Is. The greedy woman
didn't care about her follower; Durst wanted her money.
An interesting side note is how Damian purged this from the usenet
discussion when I posted it before.
The following are excerpts from a hearing held on October 27, 1999 in
Oakland, California, in the conservatorship of an adult Moonie woman who
jumped out of car going 60 on the freeway after going through am inner
struggle whether Moon had lied to her about what to expect from Moonie life.
Christina Morrison (Seher) was is the car. The woman has been in a coma
ever since. When Onni Durst petitioned the court to be appointed
conservator over the woman and to be in charge of her money, as well as
guardian over her children, Durst lied to the court. The lie was that Durst
did not know how to reach any of the woman's relatives even though two of
them lived in the Bay Area. This is what the court said:
THE COURT: Mr. Greene, I have objections that have been filed on behalf of
[moonie woman's sister] to the petition for fees in the conservatorship.
. . .
THE COURT: Okay. I, at the beginning of this hearing, explained to Mr.
Goorjian what is troubling me about the petition for fees -- and I want to
say parenthetically, that I am not assessing any blame in this matter on Mr.
Goorjian; that I've looked at this purely in terms of what information Mr.
Goorjian has given by his client, Ms. Durst.
But as I stated earlier -- and Mr. Goorjian, I don't think you've
convinced me to the contrary -- I have real concerns about those statements
that Ms. Durst made in verified declarations that she -- and I'll quote it
from her declaration of, executed May 6th, 1999.
She said, "I was told by [Moonie woman] that both of her parents are
dead. I also believe that [Moonie woman] has siblings residing in China;
however, I do not know the names and addresses of those siblings."
And I'll be very honest with you. I have real problems with the
credibility of that statement. And I just cannot accept that statement,
based on all the other information that's been presented to me, which
includes the declaration of [moonie woman's daughter], the letters with the
return addresses of [moonie woman's sister] that have been presented, the
information that's been presented [moonie woman's brother] and the
information that's been presented by [moonie woman's sister].
And I understand the point that you're making that, regardless of
whether [moonie woman's sister] of Ms. Durst had presented the existence of
[moonie woman's sister] and [moonie woman's brother] to the Court, she
still would have gone ahead with the petition for guardianship. However, as
I've stated previously, if Ms. Durst had presented the information regarding
the existence of [moonie woman's sister] and [moonie woman's brother] in her
declarations, I certainly would be more inclined to grant fees in this
matter.
And as I said, I'm not faulting you. I'm faulting Ms. Durst for not
giving you information that I believe she knew, and I believe she was aware
of the existence of [moonie woman's sister] and [moonie woman's brother].
So -- the request for fees in both matters, for Mr. Goorjian's fees to be
paid out of the conservatorship estate, both of the guardianship matter and
the conservatorship matter, is denied. And the reason is, I've stated, that
I'm denying the request, is because I believe that Ms. Durst misrepresented
information to the Court regarding the existence of [moonie woman's sister]
and [moonie woman's brother] , and I believe it's her responsibility to pay
Mr. Goorjian's fees and not the conservator's responsibility.
I want to add, again, that if Ms. Durst had been more forthcoming with
the Court regarding the existence of [moonie woman's sister] and [moonie
woman's brother] and explained the issue of the estrangement and explained
the issue of their existence and why she was petitioning, I certainly would
be inclined to grant fees. But I don't think she was forthcoming with the
Court.
. . .
I understand that this is a difficult pill to swallow. However, when I
believe that someone is being less that forthright with the Court in a
verified declaration, I think that pill needs to be swallowed.
. . .
MR. GREENE: Your honor, I would just -- the argument that I would make
against you issuing that order [allowing reimbursement of a babysitter] is
that you have made a finding with respect to a lack of candor and
credibility.
THE COURT: I agree.
Tilman Hausherr
wrote in <sp1gum...@corp.supernews.com>:
>The following are excerpts from a hearing held on October 27, 1999 in
>Oakland, California, in the conservatorship of an adult Moonie woman who
>jumped out of car going 60 on the freeway after going through am inner
>struggle whether Moon had lied to her about what to expect from Moonie life.
>Christina Morrison (Seher) was is the car. The woman has been in a coma
>ever since. When Onni Durst petitioned the court to be appointed
>conservator over the woman and to be in charge of her money, as well as
>guardian over her children, Durst lied to the court. The lie was that Durst
>did not know how to reach any of the woman's relatives even though two of
>them lived in the Bay Area. This is what the court said:
I do not understand all, i.e. what this petition for fees is about.
And how is this going? Has the criminal cult succeeded getting a
conservatorship?
Tilman
--
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til...@berlin.snafu.de http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/faq-you/moonies.txt
"I do not know about outside world"
(wife of Washington Times president to a reporter)
Ford Greene
Tilman Hausherr <til...@berlin.snafu.de> wrote in message
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Sunny
did. I suspect that her motive is to care for this woman who gave her
life to Unificationism and see to it that her children would be raised
in the same environment, values, morals and religion that the mother
would desire. I do wonder where the father/husband is. Mrs. Durst, in
her mind, is acting in the capacity of God Parent in this case,
desireing to protect the children and the woman who is in a coma. But
she shouldn't have lied. The truth probably would have accomplished
more.
I do not suggest anyone use Heavenly Deception in a court of law. If
your neighbor is wearing a new hat which you really hate, you have my
permission to use heavenly deception, setting your own personal taste
aside, in telling her she looks lovely today. But when it comes down
to a situation like this, either use complete honesty or say you cannot
answer and plead the 5th.
Not even a saint like Oni Durst isn't immune from making a bad
decision. Unificationists are human, not robots.
Sunny (~`~)
In article <sp1gum...@corp.supernews.com>,
"Ford Greene" <fgr...@wenet.net> wrote:
> Following the Beast Who Is Her Master Onni Durst Practices Heavenly
> Deception To Confuse All At To Whom The Real Beast Is. The greedy
woman
> didn't care about her follower; Durst wanted her money.
>
> An interesting side note is how Damian purged this from the usenet
> discussion when I posted it before.
>
> The following are excerpts from a hearing held on October 27, 1999 in
> Oakland, California, in the conservatorship of an adult Moonie woman
who
> jumped out of car going 60 on the freeway after going through am inner
> struggle whether Moon had lied to her about what to expect from
Moonie life.
> Christina Morrison (Seher) was is the car. The woman has been in a
coma
> ever since. When Onni Durst petitioned the court to be appointed
> conservator over the woman and to be in charge of her money, as well
as
> guardian over her children, Durst lied to the court. The lie was
that Durst
> did not know how to reach any of the woman's relatives even though
two of
> them lived in the Bay Area. This is what the court said:
>
--
Sunny (~,~)
"Grab your coat and get your hat....leave your worries on the door
step. Just direct your feet to the SUNNY side of the street."
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Before you buy.
Bill Taylor
> Mrs. Durst shouldn't have lied if she actually did.
Your messiah obviously disagrees with you.
> The judge felt she did.
The facts seem to be in.
> I suspect that her motive is to care for this woman who gave her
> life to Unificationism and see to it that her children would be raised
> in the same environment, values, morals and religion that the mother
> would desire. I do wonder where the father/husband is. Mrs. Durst, in
> her mind, is acting in the capacity of God Parent in this case,
> desireing to protect the children and the woman who is in a coma. But
> she shouldn't have lied. The truth probably would have accomplished
> more.
There are many religions, in fact all but one that I know of, which
advocate telling the truth. Perhaps you see the value in aligning with
one of them some day.
> I do not suggest anyone use Heavenly Deception in a court of law.
Why should one use a heavenly mandated practice only in narrow areas?
Moon uses it to proclaim himself the messiah.
> If
> your neighbor is wearing a new hat which you really hate, you have my
> permission to use heavenly deception, setting your own personal taste
> aside, in telling her she looks lovely today.
This example is a subjective assessment. Issues such as adultery can
only be resolved when dealt with truthfully.
> But when it comes down
> to a situation like this, either use complete honesty or say you cannot
> answer and plead the 5th.
Like the adultery issue. Refuse to talk. I disagree, but I see the
rational.
> Not even a saint like Oni Durst isn't immune from making a bad
> decision. Unificationists are human, not robots.
She just got caught. She followed her faith and got caught.
> Sunny (~`~)
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glenn...@my-deja.com
Sunny (~,~) <sunny...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Mrs. Durst shouldn't have lied if she actually did. The judge felt she
> did. I suspect that her motive is to care for this woman who gave her
> life to Unificationism and see to it that her children would be raised
> in the same environment, values, morals and religion that the mother
> would desire. I do wonder where the father/husband is. Mrs. Durst, in
> her mind, is acting in the capacity of God Parent in this case,
> desireing to protect the children and the woman who is in a coma. But
> she shouldn't have lied. The truth probably would have accomplished
> more.
>
Perhaps, dear sister Sunny, you'd be willing to go to jail and pay the
fine on behalf of the sainted Mrs. Durst, since you seem so willing to
rationalize her actions as somehow erring for the greater good. This is,
I believe, the first time you've acknowledged the imaginary moral ground
you stand upon. I see that as a glimmer of hope you'll find more secure
footing some day. Though I'm not holding my breath.
Lying must comes very easily to Onni after so many years. It was the
entire modus operandi in Oakland, and the secret of its success. In many
ways Onni was far more successful that SMM in creating a movement in
America. The Oakland "family," as all good Moonies know, was really a
cult within a cult. For years and years, while other church centers
struggled to gain even one member, the Oakland church, in its many
disguises (it was Creative Community Project when I joined in '75), was
wildly successful at attracting and recruiting hoards of young,
idealistic members. Most of whom were fed unawares like innocent lambs
into the gaping maw of the MFT meat grinder.
And it was all based on "heavenly deception." SMM's name was never
mentioned; his picture never displayed publicly. Calling DP by its name
was discouraged and never done in front of guests. Direct questions from
newcomers never received direct responses. People who "knew too much"
were invited to leave. Only the young and gullible and naive were wanted.
To illustrate how complete this deception was, I thought Dr. Durst was
the messiah at the conclusion of my first 7-day workshop up in Boonville.
For THREE weeks no one said anything to discourage this view. Instead, I
just got knowing winks and nods from the "older" members. When Jennifer
Morrison finally broached the topic of SMM, I was flabbergasted. I'd
never heard the man's name before in my life, and I was so "negged out" I
nearly left.
But you know, by that time the indoctrination was full-blown and I
managed to "overcome Satan" (resist the urge to leave). But just for good
measure, my "spiritual father" had the audacity to tell me that if I
left, I'd probably be killed in an accident. Or Satan would attack my
family. Yes, he really said those things, and with great conviction. He
scared me to death. When you're only 21 and suddenly have your head full
of God and Satan, "heavenly deception" like that is extremely powerful.
And it wasn't an aberration. It was SOP--standard operating procedure.
Now, it has been argued that SMM did not approve of Onni's methods and
after a decade or so (gee, why he'd wait so long?) he decided to rope her
in by bringing her and the good doctor to New York. I don't buy for a
second that SMM didn't approve. I was there, and as I recall it, the
Dursts came to New York with a mandate to duplicate the success of the
Oakland model. And I believe they did. The workshops I attended in the
Catskills were carbon-copies of Boonville, just in a different location.
Most of Onni's most trusted lieutenants were there, doing exactly what
they had done in California, and once they got acclimated to the East
Coast, it was business as usual. Suddenly the New York church was gaining
members in droves. Even I managed to bring in a spiritual child or two.
One other thing about Onni, she was more secretive than SMM and every bit
as inaccessible to all except her closest aides. In the four or five
months I was in Oakland, I only saw her once. She was so mysterious and
aloof (unlike her goofball husband, who seemed to be everywhere), I
wasn't even sure what she looked like. No one ever spoke about SMM. It
was ALWAYS Onni this and Onni that. Onni, Onni, Onni. It was a cult of
personality and she was it. The Morrison "triplets," with their folksy
American ways, gave her credibility.
One time we got word that Onni was coming over to the center (Washington
St.) and you'd have thought Jesus Christ himself was on the way. You
never saw such a beehive of anticipation and activity, cleaning and
cleaning and cleaning. Older members spoke of her in the most reverential
and awestruck tones, as if she was some sort of divine being who could
levitate her way across the Bay. I was impressed. Exactly as scripted. Of
course Onni didn't come and had never intended to come. It was just part
of her elaborate power trip. Exactly as scripted.
Am I surprised Onni lied in a court of law? Hell no. She's probably
couldn't help it. What would have surprised me is if she had told the
truth. Now THAT would have been a revelation.
Glenn
Ford Greene
I left the Oakland "church" in late July 1975. Did you and I ever meet? I
can personally confirm everything you say except as to the east coast stuff
because I stayed on the west coast. You recollection is spot-on.
Ford Greene
<glenn...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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"Ford Greene" <fgr...@wenet.net> wrote:
> Glenn:
>
> I left the Oakland "church" in late July 1975. Did you and I ever meet? I
> can personally confirm everything you say except as to the east coast stuff
> because I stayed on the west coast. You recollection is spot-on.
>
> Ford Greene
>
Ford,
We just missed each other. I joined in Oakland in August '75.
nbo...@yahoo.com
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Enrico Confetti
The way I escaped was interesting. One day the flower van dropped me off in a section of San Francisco where a large Buddhist Monastery was. It just so happened I knew the Abbot and the monks in the Monastery, so I walked through the doors of the temple with my flower bucket, offered my flowers to the three large Buddha statues, found myself a meditation cushion (it was meditation time when I arrived), curled up into half lotus position and stayed for about a month. The team leader had no idea what happened to me. Interestingly, I wanted nothing to do with Christianity before meeting up with the Moonies, but afterward I became interested in the Bible, and a few years later trusted Jesus as my Lord and became a Christian, so the Unification Church was actually kind of a stepping stone for me from Buddhism to Christ except their ideas about God and Jesus were all wrong. My life has been a struggle since then in many ways, it has not been easy, but I trust in the Lord. God bless you.