Enlightened Teachers - Quotations by Zen Master Rama, Dr. Frederick Lenz
Buddhist Monk
Lenz
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Enlightened beings are rare in the universe. They are the joker in the
deck. They are outside the circle.
Enlightened teachers are not logical. They don't function from levels
that are understandable to the human mind. They're not religious.
Religions form around them, usually after they've died.
Perpetual wakefulness doesn't mean you have all physical knowledge,
that you can speak all languages, that you can fix cars...that is a
storybook, Hollywood version of the enlightenment experience.
Sometimes beings come forth from that realmless realm. Light
incarnates and wanders around through the samsara, kind of looking at
itself in various countless forms. We call beings that come from that
realm "enlightened".
There are beings who come into this world, from time to time, not
simply with miraculous powers, which we call the siddhas, but with a
miraculous awareness that is so strong yet so subtle that anyone or
anything that touches that awareness is transformed forever.
An enlightened master is a perpetual source of the cosmic light because
his mind is always merged with nirvana.
The teacher is not a person; they're a field of energy. They're a
series of levels of attention. While they have a body and appear to be
there, they're not.
If you ever want to study acting you should be around an enlightened
person for a while, because all they do is play roles, since they no
longer have a self.
True teachers of enlightenment are hard to find. The popular ones, of
course, usually aren't enlightened because how could they be? They
just tell people what they want to hear.
Good teachers are not known for telling you what you want to hear, and
consequently they're rarely popular because they tend to offend people
on a regular basis by their mere presence on earth.
Human beings, when they encounter that which can't be understood, they
either run away from it, run towards it blindly, or just rationalize it
out of existence.
A real enlightened teacher is intense and they could care less what you
think about anything at any time since you are lost in illusions.
An enlightened teacher has personal power. Sitting and meditating with
an enlightened teacher in a meditation hall or at a power spot can
change you forever.
Human beings have illusions. The enlightened don't have illusions.
They see things as they are, and in that seeing, they see ecstasy and
joy. They see the play of life.
An enlightened person doesn't know it all. Enlightenment simply means
walking beyond this and all worlds into nirvana, which is beyond
knowledge and ignorance.
Even enlightened people think of themselves as beginners. They
probably think of themselves as beginners more than others do,
perpetual beginners who begin again each moment because their subject
is endless.
Imagine for a moment that you were God. Not God as a man or woman, but
God as the awareness of all life. To be that in physical form is to be
an enlightened person.
When you are enlightened, your physical body will still feel pain if
you get hurt, but you will not be overwhelmed even by extreme physical
pain, because your mind is filled with light, love and understanding.
Some souls attain enlightenment. No one knows why. You could say it
is individual inclination. I'm not convinced that's the case.
Most people who have been enlightened in previous incarnations normally
begin to regain their past-life enlightenment around the age of
twenty-nine, when their astrological Saturn return takes place.
In this whole world, there are actually very few people who study
meditation with an enlightened master. This is because there are not
very many enlightened masters on the entire earth.
If you are a student of an enlightened master, you can literally tap
into his aura, anywhere and at anytime. All you have to do is meditate
on your Buddhist master and the light will come into your mind.
A person who wants to progress more rapidly and wishes to overcome
unhappiness sooner, should try to find an enlightened master.
No one on this earth attains enlightenment anymore without an
enlightened master as a guide, unless that person was enlightened in
many previous incarnations.
Almost anyone can see the golden light in an enlightened master's aura
when the master meditates, unless, of course, the person is blocked up
psychically.
At times your entire body tingles with ecstasy as you feel the waves of
psychic energy that emanate from the master's aura touching your own
body.
Being a siddha master is indeed a great accomplishment, but it is not
the same as being enlightened. People confuse siddha masters, who have
the power to perform miracles, with enlightened masters who can enter
into samadhi.
It's nice if you love a liberated person, and you should, because they
love you. They're lovable. They're children playing in a very, very
unusual world filled with vortexes of dancing darkness and light.
If the teacher is truly enlightened, energy and light is always coming
forth from them. To be in their physical presence is a great boon, not
of the teacher but of that light which passes through them.
If you can develop a connection, what we call an inner connection with
the teacher, then it is not even necessary to be in the physical
presence of the teacher, although it will always be stronger..
There is always a certain amount of 'transmission loss.' You can have
a power generator and if the power is going on 100 miles away, even
with very efficient cable there could be a certain amount of loss.
If you become very close to your teacher, if you do well in your
meditation, a deep emotional bond will develop between both of you over
a period of time. You can be thousands of miles away from your teacher
and find that induction is always taking place. That's the ideal.
If you respect your teacher, you do better. Respect is only good
because it will help you. Real liberated people, what can you do for
them? They've got everything. They are everything. They don't need
to be worshipped or adored.
Even to the sage who's doing Sahaja Samadhi, the great guru, I'd say:
"Hey buddy, you know, I like the robes and everything, but remember,
you're only touching infinity. And if you claim to be doing more, I
think you're pretty much in the senses and the body and the mind
because infinity is endless."
While people who are enlightened are worthy of respect, to put them on
a pedestal is a mistake. To undervalue them is also a mistake.
The more advanced the teacher, the better for you. The fifth degree
black belt is so expert that they will understand that you're a
beginner and throw you perfectly so that no harm will befall you.
If a spiritual teacher says something that doesn't make sense to you,
you should always listen to yourself and not the teacher. A little
common sense would end all cults.
Many people claim to be liberated...it's an endless list! According to
"moi", as Ms. Piggy would say, there are currently, on this earth, 12
beings who are self-realized. Eleven are men, one is a woman. Most of
them are in the Far East, most of them you've never heard of and
probably never will.
The abuse of power manifests with phony spiritual teachers and phony
gurus who tell you how to run your life and what to wear and what to
eat, all that sort of stuff. They abuse. People don't realize that,
listen to them and ruin their lives.
Phony gurus make themselves objects of adoration and worship. Real
spiritual teachers aren't interested in adoration and worship. They
like respect only because they realize respect will help the student.
Once in while a teacher may make a recommendation, it is usually after
going through the basic Socratic method of trying to get people to
figure it out themselves. A good teacher challenges your mind, your
intellect, and your spirit.
An esoteric or enlightened teacher of Buddhism is someone who has the
ability to transfer power to another individual. A real empowerment is
not just a ceremony.
Liberated souls are a rare commodity in this world. They are no
better; it's just you, a little later, in the next act or in the next
play.
I think only a person who's studied WITH someone for many years is in a
position to voice a true opinion about a particular teacher.
When you find a teacher, you devote your time and energy to what they
believe in. You surrender not them but to the infinite, which operates
through them.
A real liberated teacher never asks for a commitment from a student.
That's absurd, a person wants to be there and they want to learn
everything they can.
There is deception. People who think they are enlightened and it's
just ego.
There are phony teachers who profess all kinds of things, and I think
you will figure out real fast who they are. They just don't feel
right.
It's a good idea to be in the physical presence of the enlightened
teacher because it's not physical. You can hear the ocean from quite a
ways away, but if you're standing right in front of it, it's easier.
Sometimes when you are with an enlightened teacher, you will feel both
pleasant and unpleasant things magnified. That happens when you
meditate with someone who goes into very strong states of altered
consciousness.
Enlightened teachers can do certain miracles, but they are not really
miracles. They just know how to use energy on other levels of
consciousness. A miracle is in the eye of the beholder, as is all of
life.
When you sit with an enlightened teacher physically, the teacher moves
in and out of different states of mind. That is how you learn to do it
yourself.
Is it important to have an enlightened teacher? No. Yes. If you are
an absolute beginner, it really doesn't matter that much, to tell you
the truth.
The later stages of the enlightenment process are trickier, and it is
really essential to have a teacher then. You need correction,
direction, and most of all you need a master's auric empowerment.
Most teachers are not enlightened. Very few are. That doesn't mean
they are not great teachers.
The ultimate horror movie for a really un-illuminated being is an
enlightened person. They are scared of others seeing what they are all
about and what they really do. They are scared of truth.
When you meditate with an enlightened teacher, you will feel something
from them. They just dissolve completely, absorption in nirvana, where
they don't even have physical contact with this world anymore.
An enlightened person is not in touch with all the ten thousand states
of mind simultaneously always. It would be very hard to go shopping
let alone drive the car.
An enlightened person is someone who shifts from one plateau of
knowledge to another.
There is obstruction. Enlightenment is not very popular in this world.
History tells us that enlightened teachers who made themselves largely
available to human beings had problems.
Enlightened people live in very charged states of attention, with a
tremendous power circuiting through them.
Many enlightened persons are never very well known. Many are
reclusive. They live in little villages in India or up in the high
Himalayas in Tibet. Some have no students at all. Some have a few.
Once in a while an enlightened teacher goes out into the world and
spreads the dharma. They attract some attention, and it is a great
spectacle to see who and why and what is drawn.
Nonphysical beings are drawn to enlightened beings. Some come to aid
them in there work; some come to interfere. Some just come to watch.
Enlightenment is rare in this world.
The enlightened being can look through states of mind, but they are
also outside of them.
The teacher will be moving through thousands of states of mind and
sometimes beyond mind. While you are with the teacher, be sensitive to
that. Without being flaky and devotional, develop respect for the
teacher, just as the teacher respects you.
Hold a positive thought of an enlightened person in your mind. When
that thought touches their aura, it comes back quickly with a positive
lift. You will go up.
If you have done your homework, then the slightest motion from the
teacher can cause you to spin into hundreds of different states of
mind. That can only happen for the prepared individual.
An enlightened person has real power and when they think a good
thought, the tremendous power of attention causes their students to
actually lift up into those states. It brings a power into their
lives.
People who are enlightened in previous lifetimes have a certain degree
of difficulty in regaining their enlightenment. Sometimes it comes in
childhood. Sometimes it takes many years to reintegrate the
personality structure that they gained when they first entered into
this world.
An enlightened teacher has so much power that when they meditate, a
tremendous aura builds up around them. The aura will open up your aura
and increase it. You will move into a higher plane of knowledge. You
will gain a new view of the world.
An enlightened teacher is able to put a tremendous amount of power
through a person who seeks knowledge and escalates the evolution of the
individual.
The person who helps you is the person who aids you in becoming
independent and strong. Good teachers don't answer your questions,
they ask you questions.
Only the completely enlightened are beyond winning and losing. Yet,
strangely enough, they had to win to get to the point of being beyond
winning and losing.
An enlightened person lives in the world, passes through the ten
thousand states of mind, but they are not bound by them. They can go
beyond perception.
It is important to monitor your mind constantly as it is to sit down
and practice meditation. This is particularly important if you are
studying with an enlightened teacher, because you are absorbing
tremendous power from the teacher.
People come to a teacher to learn self-discovery. A teacher who just
wants to keep you on a string forever, the god-guru concept, a teacher
like that is very abusive. Those people are actually usually taking
their students energy.
If you meditate with a teacher who is enlightened, you can ride with
them into stages of mind that are perhaps not available to you at this
time.
The role of the teacher is to make sure that the practice is pure. By
guiding the student, you make sure that they are really going into the
planes of light and not fooling themselves.
A teacher can show you the ways. But no one can do it for you. You
have to take what you learn from them and go out and live it. You have
to change your life.
I think it is best to let the experience you have with a teacher direct
itself Instead of trying to make the experience into what you might
like it to be, leave it alone!
It is incumbent upon the student to go to the teacher to learn.
An enlightened teacher teaches you how to gain power. They give you
power. They teach you how to shape it so that it becomes an instrument
of beauty and not an instrument of unhappiness.
The teaching process is lengthy because there are many, many states of
mind to go through. And in each state of mind there is a different
aggregate of self to be explored.
Most teachers of self-discovery have two types of students. They have
students they deal with in a more exoteric way than the esoteric
students. Esoteric truths are presented to usually a smaller group of
students.
With a teacher it is necessary to be sensitive to their directions;
most of the time they won't say much. You have to be still and silent
to understand.
You must discriminate between those who claim to help you and only want
to manipulate you and those who are free, who never manipulate.
It is not the responsibility of the enlightened teacher to bring the
student to enlightenment. That may be true in the classroom, but in
the world of enlightenment you have to find it, enter into it.
A teacher is really invaluable. A teacher will instruct you in how to
stabilize your energy field, increase it, and decrease the loss of
energy in your life and how to be balanced, wise, and funny.
An enlightened being comes into the world because they can help. They
are off the wheel. They will experience different states of mind.
They will suffer. They will know joy. But ultimately, they are free
of all that.
To see someone manifest all the astral lights, to be surrounded by
light, to have light emanating from their body, pulsing waves of gold
light - this is the miracle of enlightenment.
If you sit with an enlightened teacher and silent your mind as they go
into nirvana, suchness, the pure power of their aura will bring you on
a journey into the world of perfection.
Miracles have a purpose. Miracles help people believe in
enlightenment. The real miracle is the transformation of consciousness
from limitation and pain to enlightenment and ecstasy.
No one can bring you into higher states of attention permanently. I
can take an individual and i can change their awareness. That's
easy. But how long will it last?
There are some teachers who just perform miracles. They can manifest
things from the other world into this world. They have siddha powers.
They are not necessarily enlightened.
There is no such thing as a miracle. A miracle is just what somebody
else doesn't understand. If we went back into the Stone Age and we lit
a match, they'd say, "Ahh miracla, miracla!"
We need a new imprinting. We need the imprinting of enlightenment.
That comes through our association with a higher being. So classically
what occurs is that one meets a teacher.
The teacher will have a certain imprint, and each teacher imprints
differently. Ultimately the imprint of the teacher is a limitation
that you will have to overcome in your final stages of
self-realization.
One aspect of enlightenment is dealing with the different dimensional
planes. In order to pass into other dimensions you need to understand
what is out there. A teacher of knowledge and power explains how to
deal with these other worlds and universes.
A true master has developed, in their inner practices and studies,
certain powers. These powers are sometimes of the miraculous nature,
the transmission of attention.
Some people see teachers and they associate the feelings of the other
students who are present with the teacher. They psychically connect
with all those hundreds of minds and they don't key to the teacher at
all.
If you are going to focus on a teacher, you have to be focused on the
teacher and not peripheral vibrations that might be around them or it
will totally screw up your meditation.
We hear wonderful stories about some masters who can walk on water and
do all kinds of great things. But the real power of the teacher is to
transmit power and knowledge directly to an individual.
You become a monk and you practice and the teacher tells you what to
do. If you find that you have a resistance to that, and the resistance
is strong, it just means you're not interested. Why put yourself
through some sort of torture. It means you weren't that interested.
Only listen to the observations of the enlightened because everyone
else is self-centered, egocentric and bound by the net of desire.
If you run into a Buddha, then that energy field, the "rad" level is so
high, it's incalculable. Their effect on an individual is for many,
many, many, many, many, many lifetimes.
To deal with someone from other infinites is problematic at times, to
deal with a true master of all the realms of the yogas. We call them
someone with the seven seals of enlightenment, meaning that their
gradated perception has past through all the realms.
The role of the Buddhist teacher is to explain your options and to show
you what creates karma. All our discussions are basically karmic until
you're fully engaged in samadhi.
The teacher will perform miracles. Not just to delight and amuse
people, but showing them that miraculous occurrences indicate that
there is something more.
You have to begin to develop a repertory of jokes, multi-plane
spiritual jokes, the sort of things the Zen masters tell each other
when they're asleep. These are the secret teachings.
As a teacher you just look at someone and you transmit to them what
they need to know. Not simply a thought form, but you transmit an
awareness level.
Enlightened teachers get all sorts of assignments. Sometimes we end up
in the higher astral; sometimes we end up in the realm of pure spirit;
sometimes we end up in the desire realms. Sometimes we go down to the
lower astral to teach, you don't really teach there, you just sort of
are, because everybody is confused.
If what you seek is freedom, the only person who can teach you
anything, the only person who can help you is someone who's already
done it, who knows the way. No one else can do a damn thing for you
but slow you down.
It's ridiculous if you ask me. I don't know what any of us are doing
here. But we're a tribe, a network, cruising the galaxy. We have
offices in every loka, in every part of existence. I suppose you make
that out to be a unique situation. We're Unique! No, I don't think
so. We're enlightenment.
Very few people become enlightened in any given lifetime. On the
planet earth their might be a dozen who are fully enlightened and
several thousand who live in enlightened states of mind.
Becoming enlightened is not special, but it's unusual.
If it's real enlightenment...you're dealing with someone who's broken
through every rule, every barrier, every do and do not, and they've
reached an apex of consciousness. They've broken through all the
conditioning, all the timidity. They don't buy into any program.
A teacher is there to laugh at you because you have such a high opinion
of yourself that you need to be laughed at. You need to sense how
small we all are.
Humankind has no idea what existence is, at this stage. They're all
dreaming, they're all asleep....Once in a great while a fully awakened
one is here, observes everybody is sleeping and leaves, quietly.
A teacher is someone who has taken their mind much further than you
have. They've gone into the void further. They've seen the luminous
realities. No one has seen them all...but they've seen more than you
have and they understand the trap of self-reflection.
If your awareness was strong enough, you could change the fate of a
whole world without ever leaving your room.
I can go shopping and pick up some Bounty Towels, the three pack, I can
go home and open those up and look at them and see more infinity than
in the Buddha's best meditation. If I can't do that, that means I'm
wrapped by the Buddha's best meditation.
You see a very advanced master who's got a girlfriend, who listens to
rock and roll, who thinks about things that are very earthly. The
advanced course has to with coming back to everything that you had to
reject in the beginning and seeing it as a far greater infiniteness
than everything that you've attained.
Most people think that an enlightened Buddhist Teacher is a fireman;
His job is to put the fire out so that you can live in your home
safely. But seeker beware! A fully enlightened Buddhist teacher is an
arsonist! His job is to set your spirit on fire...by feeding the
flames of your soul with love.
You may not need a teacher or you may be drawn to one - everything is
individual. But the main thing you need to do is meditate and learn to
stop your thoughts and enter into the ocean of infinite awareness. You
will be directed from there.
- Zen Master Rama
Thank you in advance for your religious tolerance.
puma
What a Zen master was this guy that he did not know simple things about
Buddhism yet.
You can not be a Buddhist Monk either as to believe such bullies...
With compassion,
Puma
jazzym...@yahoo.com
Do you have any specific criticisms, or are you just filled with a lot
of hot air? As a matter of fact, many Buddhist monks believe and
follow these teachings very closely. Why not? It is Buddhism.
As to your comment that someone is a bully, no one has bullied you to
read the post or believe anything about it.
On many occasions you have made vague, nasty comments about Rama's
teachings, and then signed your post "With compassion". What
hypocrisy! Just be honest and sign your posts "With as much confused
hate as possible".
Jazzy
Curly H. Wade
Oh Boy previous incarnations and spirits and souls!!!!!!!!
[past lives]
AN III.15: Rathakara (Pacetana) Sutta - The Chariot Maker
The Buddha recalls a previous lifetime during which he was a
chariot-maker:
http://accesstoinsight.org/canon/sutta/anguttara/an-03-015-tb0.html
[spirits]
"A householder who observes conduct in accordance with the Dhamma
...might reappear in the company of the gods of the Four Kings!'
it is possible that on the dissolution of the body, after death, he may
do so."
- Buddha Saleyyaka Sutta
[souls?]
"Is there a self?" or "Is there not a self?"
these questions being outside ones domain
and leading the contemplative to vexation [ie, Puma, with compassion]
rather than release from suffering
(Ananda Sutta, SN, 5:44, 10).
Puma: (With Compassion)
What a Zen master was this guy
that he did not know simple things about
Buddhism yet.
To be attached to a certain view
and to look down upon others' views as inferior,
this the wise men call a fetter.
- Buddha
Puma: (With Compassion)
You can not be a Buddhist Monk either as to believe such bullies...
In a controversy the instant we feel anger
we have already ceased striving for the truth,
and have begun striving for ourselves.
- Buddha
Puma:
"With compassion"
In most cases, energy is lost in little games of manipulation, in
little struggles of will, in the attempts to possess others, to wrap
them up, to delude them, to shine them on.
puma
You have to learn if you do not know or if you mix it with Hinduism:
To quote the Buddhist scholar Walpola Rahula: "Buddhism stands unique
in the history of human thought in denying the existence of such a
Soul, Self, or Atman. According to the teaching of the Buddha, the idea
of self is an imaginary, false belief that has no corresponding
reality, and it produces harmful thoughts of 'me' and 'mine'...It is
the source of all the troubles in the world..." [Walpola Rahula, WHAT
THE BUDDHA TAUGHT, Grove Press, 1959, p. 51.]
For the Buddhist there is no "individual enduring personality that is
reincarnated, nor even an individual soul in anything like the Western
sense." [Sanford, SOUL JOURNEY, p. 68.]
If you really knew what Buddhism is this is it....
With compassion,
Puma
puma
he did not belong any Traditional Zen sect.. Lenz was a cult leader he
was not a Zen master nor a Buddhist Monk he actually trying to mix
Buddhism with Hinduism thats is why he was talking about Reincarnation.
In Buddhism there is no reincarnation There is actually REBIRTH. But
Rebirth is not a personal rebirth... So it takes to be a real Budhist
to realize these facts..A cult leader can not be a ZEN MASTER.and a
meater does not take barbiters And see the article below to know him
better:
(guru) Research our free archive of 2 million free full-text articles.
Skeptical Inquirer Skeptical Inquirer; 7/1/1998; Szimhart, Joe
Controversial guru Frederick Lenz III, also known as 'Rama,' died from
drug overdose on Easter Sunday, Apr 14, 1998. Lenz's first foray into
the New Age movement began in the 1970s as Atmananda, a recruiter for
Indian guru Sri Chinmoy. As Rama, he formed his own cult, Lakshmi, in
the early 1980s. The New Age practitioner also claimed to be one of 12
enlightened beings who practice non-traditional Zen Buddhism. He became
reclusive when the media reported on complaints of sex and drug abuse
from his former students. Prior to his death, Lenz was reported to be
suffering from liver cancer.
On April 14, 1998, headlines in the New York area papers announced that
Frederick Lenz, the controversial guru known as Rama, was dead. His
body was pulled by police from Conscience Bay in twenty feet of water
behind his mansion on Long Island. Lenz apparently died on Easter
Sunday after allegedly taking "150 phenobarbital tablets."
Police found an incoherent woman identified by police as model "Brin
Lacy," 33, of Manhattan, inside the $2 million mansion soon after
midnight on April 13. Lacy reportedly said she saw Lenz fall in the bay
and float away on his back on Easter morning while they were out on a
floating pier sixty feet from shore. The model was reported as "being
all bruised up" when the police found her. Toxicology reports could
take as long as two months. Lenz's three terriers were also drugged,
according to the New York Post report on April 16.
I learned from a reliable source that Lenz was suffering from painful
liver cancer, which may account for his use of "pain pills." There are
some strange parallels to the Heavens Gate mass suicide last year: The
leader, Marshall Applewhite, also overdosed on barbiturates around
Easter Sunday, and he also suffered from cancer.
In 1983 Frederick Lenz III declared to his devotees that he was "Rama,"
an incarnation of a Hindu deity. For the decade prior to that Lenz had
been Atmananda, his name as a recruiter for the controversial Indian
guru, Sri Chinmoy. Lenz broke with Chinmoy to start his own cult in the
early eighties - a group then called Lakshmi after the Hindu goddess of
wealth. By design nearly all of Lenz's "students" entered the computer
programming field and nearly all of them were young, bright seekers
with a college education.
Lenz attracted national attention in the mid-eighties through slick
full-page ads promoting his "free" seminars in New Age magazines. He
claimed to be one of "twelve" enlightened beings living then. The
number shrunk to three or four by the early nineties, but he would not
name the others. As many as a thousand would attend to learn his
idiosyncratic brand of Zen Buddhism.
Controversy soon attended him as former students complained of mind
control, sex, and drug abuse when the guru offered them private
sessions. National media criticism from Newsweek, A Current Affair, New
Age Journal and many other sources in the late eighties caused Lenz to
become more reclusive and paranoid. Lenz also upped the "tuition" for
full-time students to thousands of dollars a month by the late
eighties. Many dozens paid that and more to afford Lenz a lavish
lifestyle. His devoted students believed that Rama was their psychic
protector as well as the reason they were making money - he encouraged
them to believe they owed it to him.
Lenz wrote and published several books, including an early one on
reincarnation that he dedicated to Sri Chinmoy. Lately, he was known
for two autobiographic fantasies, Surfing the Himalayas (1995) and
Snowboarding to Nirvana (1997), both published by St. Martin's Press.
(I reviewed both novels for SKEPTICAL INQUIRER). At this writing it is
unknown what his devotees might do; they have been silent for weeks.
Some experts fear that members will contemplate suicide. Dateline NBC
ran an in-depth expose of Lenz as a "cult leader" in August of 1996.
The show indicated how deeply Lenz influenced the hopes and dreams of
his devotees.
puma
I have criticism don`t you see? But regret that you can not see it. Or
you take it wrong!
Non of the real Budhist monks believe these thinks as there is no
beliefs in Budhism...Thats what makes Buddhism different from the
others...
If a man takes Barbiters and seduces his students and trys to show
himself as a Zen master,although he has no realtion into any real ZEN
Sect, but he himself tries to make it,what do you think he is doing?
To me he is bulliying even worst than that!!!
If compassion is not hypocrasy, then I am saying the truth. if people
are saying palavras
that are not real words,then they have no compassion.
I am honest that is why iam trying to deal with all the cheaters here.
if you have checked my previous posters you will see that I am against
to all sort of sharlatans and cheaters...If some one is confused it
can`t be puma...
puma wants people hear the truth thats it Jazzymike.
I definitely know that we all need compassion, but compassion does not
mean to cover the wrong doings...
With compassion,
Puma
Curly H. Wade
Skeptical Inquirer Skeptical Inquirer; 7/1/1998; Szimhart, Joe
Joe Szimhart
Kidnapper of women for CAN (With Compassion)
Dharma expert for Puma (With Compassion):
http://www.cesnur.org/2001/CAN/appendix_A.htm
http://www.cultawarenessnetwork.org/Lies_Behind_Bigotry/
Puma: (With Compassion)
Frederic Lenz was not a Zen master.
The talks by Dr. Lenz [Rama] provide refreshing and excellent reading
material for western Zen students. They inspire new students to
practice zazen and older students to deepen their practice. - Dennis
Genpo Merzel, Roshi - Kanzeon Zen Center, Gerry Shishin Wick, Rohsi -
Great Mountain Zen Center
Meditation practice (zazen) has remained as the one form that has
transcended time and cultural boundaries. Dr. Frederick P. Lenz [Rama]
is one pioneer who introduced American modes of practice while focusing
on the fundemental Practice of zazen. - Dennis Genpo Merzel, Roshi -
Kanzeon Zen Center, Gerry Shishin Wick, Rohsi - Great Mountain Zen
Center
Puma: (With Compassion)
Lenz was a cult leader
Zen is not a religion.
There is no room for a cult.
There is no dependence on a teacher.
There is only learning how to use your own mind
and making it strong.
- Zen Master Rama
Puma: (With Compassion)
Lenz was not a Zen master nor a Buddhist Monk he actually trying to mix
Buddhism with Hinduism
To be attached to a certain view
and to look down upon others' views as inferior,
this the wise men call a fetter.
- Buddha
Puma: (With Compassion)
For the Buddhist there is no "individual enduring personality
"Is there a self?" or
"Is there not a self?"
these questions being outside ones domain
and leading the contemplative to vexation [Puma (With Compassion)]
rather than release from suffering
(Ananda Sutta, SN, 5:44, 10)
Puma: (With Compassion)
In Buddhism there is no reincarnation There is actually REBIRTH.
If anyone says,
that the Tathagata sets forth a Teaching,
he really slanders Buddha
and is unable to explain what I teach.
As to any Truth-declaring system,
Truth is undeclarable.
- Buddha
Puma: (With Compassion)
A cult leader can not be a ZEN MASTER
I really don't believe that I am the leader of a cult.
It's funny what has happened in United States.
Every new movement or group of people
who seek to explore awareness
is considered a cult.
jazzym...@yahoo.com
Rama, Dr. Frederick Lenz, taught many forms of Buddhism and
Self-Discovery in his career of nearly 28 years teaching all around the
world. Over 100,00 people attended his seminars over the years and
many of these people, myself included, have seen their lives
immeasurably improved.
Rama's mastery and seamless knowledge of many forms of Buddhism is
evidenced by his extensive books and CD's which can be located at:
http://www.fredericklenzfoundation.org/StoreFront.aspx. To people new
to Buddhism I highly recommend his entertaining and informative:
Surfing the Himalayas. You can check out (for free) some of what Rama
taught on www.ramaquotes.com.
In your posts you have stated that Rama does not know about Buddhism
because he uses the word "reincarnation" rather than "rebirth".
In English, there is no difference in meaning. Perhaps in Sanskrit or
Pali, which use a more precise spiritual terminology, the words used
may imply a philosophical difference, but not in English, and certainly
not to a Western audience.
Unfortunately the article you quoted is filled with so many outright
lies, slander, and half-truths, that there is no real way to address it
in a short post. Like Padma-Sambhava, Rama was controversial at times
because his teachings did not follow a strict dogmatic line, and his
behavior did not necessarily follow conventional morality. However,
his intent to help people interested in light and spirituality was
unbending and that was demonstrated by the integrity of all of his
actions during the 14 years (until the end of his life) that I studied
with him.
Jazzy
maitr...@aol.com
For how many minutes
have you claimed to be a
Spiritual aspirant for?
Get real,
you seem to be legendary
In your own mind.
The simple book that you cited is very basic,
after 2500 years since the Buddha's death,
Why did you cite such a limited work?
Buddha's original works
are available
without commentary
by your posing author
If you had any insight
you would have illustrated it
By now.
I will however compliment you on
your being as empty as your parents
Apparently were.
Chenrezig / Avalokiteshvara:
The Embodiment of Compassion
The Sadhana of Chenrezig is open
to anyone who feels inspired to practice it
-- unlike most of the Tibetan Buddhist practices,
which require prior initiation
by a lama (meditation master).
Padmasambhava 747A.D:
"When the iron eagle flies
and horses run on wheels,
the Tibetan people will be
scattered over the earth
and the Dharma will go
to the land of the red man."
Hopi Prophecy: "When the iron bird flies,
the red-robed people of the East
who have lost their land will appear,
and the two brothers
from across the great ocean
will be reunited."
Tilopa:"The practice of Mantra and Paramita,
Instruction in the Sutras and Precepts,
And teaching from the Schools and Scriptures
will not bring
Realization of the Innate Truth.
For if the mind when filled with some desire
Should seek a goal, it only hides the Light." Namaste'
puma
Please kindly note that I am not a spiritual aspirant, I do not follow
any religion at all...
I have my own Spiritual outfit...I have made it myself alone...My own
DHARMA belongs to me.
Only, I care about the TRUTH... If there is no soul In Buddhism, it
should not be disturbed at all. If the rebirth is not a reincarnation,
it should be said so that everybody should hear it.
Shortly, I am after the TRUTH.
With compassion,
lilashi
'Most people think that an enlightened Buddhist Teacher is a fireman;
His job is to put the fire out so that you can live in your home
safely. But seeker beware! A fully enlightened Buddhist teacher is an
arsonist! His job is to set your spirit on fire...by feeding the
flames of your soul with love. '
lilashi
His job is to put the fire out so that you can live in your home
safely. But seeker beware! A fully enlightened Buddhist teacher is an
arsonist! His job is to set your spirit on fire...by feeding the
flames of your soul with love. '
This part and many other parts in previous post which the post above
belongs are full of ignorance and arrogance to the human kind...To come
to this google group and reflect the consciousness and enlightenment
with the words like that is a loss for humanity...The sutras are not
there for the ignorant , selfish arrogant beings who calls themself a
master .Budhism are misunderstood because complicated and selfish
egoistic minds which reflects the basic truth...Truth is not
complicated ...Truth brings compassion , power and simplicity
(consequently simple responsability ) instead of chaos arrogance and
abuse...
Being conscious is to be awre of every situation.There are no levels we
are not in the army and neither in another religious discipline! Please
do not manipulate the budhist way of look with another discipline !
Middle path discipline is not a mirror of chaos that this privious
post of zen master rama tries to describes its never going to be and
post modern excuse for the killers at all.( being killer in every
aspect of life!)
lilashi
lilashi yazdi:
> 'Most people think that an enlightened Buddhist Teacher is a fireman;
> His job is to put the fire out so that you can live in your home
> safely. But seeker beware! A fully enlightened Buddhist teacher is an
>
> arsonist! His job is to set your spirit on fire...by feeding the
> flames of your soul with love. '
>
> This part and many other parts in previous post which the post above
> belongs are full of ignorance and arrogance to the human kind...To come
> to this google group and reflect the consciousness and enlightenment
> with the words like that is a loss for humanity...The sutras are not
> there for the ignorant , selfish arrogant beings who calls themself a
> master .Budhism are misunderstood because complicated and selfish
> egoistic minds which reflects the basic truth...Truth is not
> complicated ...Truth brings compassion , power and simplicity
> (consequently simple responsability ) instead of chaos arrogance and
> abuse...
> are not in the army and neither in another religious discipline! Please
> do not manipulate the budhist way of look with another discipline !
>
> Middle path discipline is not a mirror of chaos that this privious