I had contacted my daughter through myspace, and had been having a good
dialogue with her for a while. I think I mentioned something about it
before I decided to shut up to protect that connection.
There's nothing to protect any more. I believe her "comm line" to me was
discovered. She deleted her myspace profile, and wrote me a letter of
disconnection. I was afraid this might happen, should our communication be
exposed, but I refused to hide and not send presents on a birthday. I think
it was more important that she find out that she had a father out there who
really cared about her than whether or not the line was intact: it's not
useful if it's just "good roads, good weather", it's not real.
So, while she said she hadn't been discovered, I think that is not true.
She said that she was "cutting off contact" in order to prevent herself from
having a secret, or from upsetting her mother with the knowledge that she
was in contact with me.
I acknowledged this letter (which she had asked me not to do, but I find
that silly, and evidence that she was being coached, although she claimed
otherwise), and told her I respect her decision, which I do, but that I'd be
here for her should she change her mind.
And so there it is: it could be as simple as an angry kid acting
emotionally on her birthday, but I think it's likely it's a lot more
insidious than that, and that this is "ethics" in action. Very upsetting,
but in the end, I think it's another foot-bullet for the Church.
Hi.
My thinking is there is nothing more that you can do other than keeping
your options and communications open. I cannot fathom what it must be
like to have a son or daughter disconnect, but try to avoid anything
except acceptance of both your daughter and her situation. She must
know that you are there for her. Keep your faith, as I think you have.
Work every opportunity to communicate by letter, phone, telegram, sky
writing, personal appearance (if you know where your daughter resides),
flowers, presents, etc. Given the current situation, she just might bolt
(the new word for 'blow').
Know that it is a federal offense for a party to prevent delivery of
mail to the addressee. Send a letter or letters asking for confirmation
of delivery in her own hand, delivered with a return receipt. The return
receipt will verify delivery at a location, and her response, if any,
will confirm her location.
Q
I would only make child support payments if I was certain they
wouldn't end up in the CULTS pockets, which of course they will.
It is sickening that this collection of CULT maggots would get you
to disconnect from family and still try to suck money from families
that are just trying deperatly to remain in contact.
ONE DAY YOU WILL PAY FOR YOU CRIMES, $CIENTOLOGY
And yes, I made child support payments when I knew where to make them. My
ex may consider it some sort of trump card to nail me with non-payment, but
the truth is I can pay all back-owed child-support on-demand. The problem
with that, is, she'd have to go through the courts. By doing so, she'd
announce that she'd moved outside the range of our divorce agreement, and
failed to live up to her requirements to provide visitation for over ten
years.
Money is not the issue here, and never was.
The Church of Scientology considers my children assets, and me a liability,
or actually, a full-blooded enemy. My ex-wife and I had our own personal
issues, and our marriage may have dissolved in the face of those, anyway,
but in this regard she is certainly acting as nothing more than a pawn in
their game: provide them with off-spring, find a wealthy mate, and get that
mate to contribute his income to their enterprise.
My daughter has a lot of heart. In her disconnection letter, she said some
pretty cold, heartless things, but I believe she was acting in order to
prevent perceived harm to her mother. Denial of Bridge is still the
Church's biggest threat to their fold. When a person is "connected to a
known suppressive", they are declared PTS (when it is in the interest of the
Church to do so), which effectively bars their progress "up the Bridge". My
daughter put it as "stress" on her mother, because she knows I speak the
psychology language (and perhaps has been taught to understand that I don't
speak scientologese, or don't understand it: more likely, she was coached
not to use it, because it would tip the Church's hand in the matter).
Really, the worst of it was that she essentially said I was never important
to her in the first place, so hurting me wasn't important to her if it saved
her mother some stress.
I believe that these chickens will come home to roost for the Church, one
day, and that my daughter will want to know her father.
The world is a hard, cold place, though. It could be many years before the
truth is completely manifest to my daughter. And part of the truth is that
our relationship was cut in pieces by this Church, and I allowed that to
happen. So it doesn't all play in my favor.
I was a fool, and am inheriting a fool's due. I am very sad. I love this
girl, and haven't seen her since she was four years old. I will always
treasure the correspondence we did have.
It fucking sucks. No doubt about it. So, tonight is about tequila and
tears. But as I have done before, I will do now: pick up the pieces,
continue to improve my own situation, and be there for my children should
they ever need me, while continuing to lead my own life.
Although a part of me just wants to go on Oprah, at this point. Bring it
all out. The guilt of letting it all happen, the truth of the manipulation,
the ugly mess that continues to profit the Church of Scientology at my own
personal loss, and the loss of those I cherish most in this universe.
Too hot a potatoe, though, I think, for Oprah. After all, she's still
pretty smoochie with Tom Cruise and John Travolta, and my story is too
convoluted and riddle with my own guilt: it's not cut and dry, like the
books on her list.
"Quaoar" <qua...@marcabfleet.com> wrote in message
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Coward.
"Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
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Kevin,
I am so sorry to hear this. You have my condolences.
-blackdove
Hi we've not met on the boards before. Welcome back. I'm so sorry that
it's under these circumstances. I can't imagine what it must be like
for you. I wish you every fortune in recovering your daughter. This
whole practice of disconnection is sickening, I can't imagine why it
would be encouraged in any civilised society.
I'm so sorry (but not surprised) to hear that the evil cult has
intervened in your newfound relationship with your daughter. It's
disgusting.
If she is still a minor, I guess there might be some legal recourse if
you wanted to pursue that messy, circuitous route. Probably not worth
it.
But life is a two-way street. She can request that you not respond or
contact her. But she can't stop you from reaching out to her. The
sooner she realizes how she has been manipulated, the better off she
will be.
Much as i respect your Freezone attempts to strain out the baby from
the bathwater, this baby is in danger of going down the drain, and I
gotta be honest with you about that. Rescue her if you can.
First child surport and child visition are two different things in the
eyes of the law. One can't be used to deny the other. If she has
moved from the area agreed to in the divorce settlement then run don't
walk to the court. Have a judge ask scientology where she is and hold
her and maybe scientology in contemp if they don't.
Nroman, whoever you are this week. I hope you don't have kids
because your post shows you are not fit to be a person much less a
parent.
jerald
That would be awesome! Oprah's smoochiefest with cult Judas Goats like
TC and JT will never, ever result in them having to field the hard
questions. But while that fatuous bitch coos over victims of similar
tragedies, she's herding the gullible and trusting toward the ol
Scientology "Not OK Corral."
It'd be splendid to have the group in question unveiled on camera.
Oprah would probably never have TC or JT on again. Elronically, they'd
probably disconnect from her yap fest, I mean, talk show.
--
--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC
http://members.cox.net/bwarr1/index.htm
"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
Kevin, we haven't always seen eye to eye, but I do think you write
pretty well -- good enough to put your story into a brief space and
send to a newspaper editor or two as a guest editorial.
You've got a first-person viewpoint that would make for an interesting
and informative read.
-maggie, human being
With Scientology it is always about money, and being ready to suck it up
from any imaginable source.
--
ciao,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
Such a typical OSA scientologist response. Without any knowledge
whatsoever about this case or the persons involved, these brainwashed
and thereby brainless idiots just shake one kind of filth and lies after the
other out of their sleeves without even blinking. FRIGGING BRAIN-
DISTURBED RONDROIDS!!!
WARNING: This is what happens to you if or when you join the insane
cult of Scientology, so stay the hell away from it!
It's so entertaining to watch you stupid clambots make lame attacks like
this. Oh, sure, you're SO concerned about the children of others!
How's YOUR homelife, anonyclam?
Do you even have one, or is it 8 up in a room for you?
LOL...hard to imagine anyone would be lame enough to choose that over a
real life. Run along, clambot. Don't you have a planet to clear? ROTFL,
you nasty, vicious, stupid git! You are karma incarnate. Do you really
like being controlled 24/7?
What's that like, anyway?
--
--
Barb "rice n' beans ain't all that it seems..."
I agree on the writing. Keep telling your story. Get it out there.
I'm sorry to hear this has happened. It's a heartbreaking situation.
Good luck.
Beth
I am saddened to hear this but glad you got to have contact with her
for the time you had. The door may seem to be closed shut but it's not
locked. She knows you love her. That cannot be erased. Don't give up
hope in getting back your rights as her father. Kids want to know that
their parents tried their best and never gave up on the situation. Be
patient and get yourself back on track with your rights and moral
obligations with your kids. There is help out there. Try these links
and resources:
Local Organizations
Fathers' Rights & Equality Exchange, 701 Welch Rd #323, Palo Alto, CA
94304 (415) 853-6877
National Organizations
American Coalition of Fathers and Children
Dave Roberts, President. Dianna Thompson, Director. 22365 El Toro
Road, No. 335, Lake Forest, CA 92630. (800)978-3237 or (949)859-7000.
FAX (949)859-1514. http://www.acfc.org. ACFCM...@aol.com. Advocacy
oriented. Primary focus is education and policy formation. 82
affiliates in 17 states. Provides 173-page Shared Parenting Tool Kit.
Dads Against Discrimination
Victor Smith, Director. PO Box 8525, Portland, OR 97207.
(503)222-1111. FAX (503)222-1111. http://www.dadsusa.com.
da...@dadsusa.com. Fee-based attorney consultations, attorney
referrals, legal pleadings, legal clinic, support group.
National Coalition of Free Men
Tom Willliamson, President. (516)476-7633. http://www.ncfm.org.
nc...@ncfm.org. Primarily advocacy group. Attorney referrals for Long
Island, NY and Manhattan.
National Congress for Fathers and Children
Larry Hellmann, President. 9454 Wilshire Blvd., Los Angeles, CA.
(800)733-3237. (760)758-9557. http://www.ncfc.net/ncfc .
nc...@ncfc.net . National service and advocacy organization with many
affiliates.
FYI, here is the earlier thread/post you wrote regarding 'Operation
Reunion'
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/822e07a0b76bc156
Best wishes,
Mary
Here are a few more good links:
'His Side with Glenn Sacks' examines men's and fathers' issues which
have been neglected if not completely ignored by the mainstream media.
With passion, humor, warmth, and one of radio's most distinctive
voices, Glenn lays out his case in defense of men and fathers.
http//www.hisside.com/
American Coalition for Fathers and Children
http://www.acfc.org/
Mary
Kevin Brady, does not pay his child support, admits it
Keith Henson, currently incarcerated
Nice crew
Bring them home for dinner
Introduce them to mom and dad
www.payyourchildsupportyoudeadbeatdadkevinbrady.org
--
--
Barb
I would rather break bread with any of them then an anonymous coward who
posts garbage in an attempt to defame people who have the intestinal
fortitude to stand up to a cult that preaches and practices enforced
disconnection and destroys families.
You are a weak,lilly livered,pestilential coward hiding behind the
skirts of your leader.
Kim P
And all of these nasty posters expect us to *want* a planet based on
their world view. Right.
Ray.
--
"I started thinking, and I got carried away"
- Dan Garvin, former scientologist
"We simply do as [L. Ron Hubbard] says"
- Dennis Clarke, scientologist
Where DO they keep coming up with this "drug addict" shit? I could pass
any test, which is more than you could say about Hubbard. Of course it's
libel, but it doesn't matter a lot to me what a bunch of strangers on
the web say or think about me. You know what Hollywood thinks of
publicity...any is good. Still, it sure would be sweet to spend 5
minutes with these nasty anonyclams face-to-face, just to watch the
urine stain spread when they realize who they're confronting. :)
>>
>> Kevin Brady, does not pay his child support, admits it
>>
>> Keith Henson, currently incarcerated
>> Nice crew
>>
>> Bring them home for dinner
>> Introduce them to mom and dad
>>
>
> I would rather break bread with any of them then an anonymous coward who
> posts garbage in an attempt to defame people who have the intestinal
> fortitude to stand up to a cult that preaches and practices enforced
> disconnection and destroys families.
>
> You are a weak,lilly livered,pestilential coward hiding behind the
> skirts of your leader.
>
> Kim P
--
--
Barb
Although I've chastised you quite harshly in the past, I am deeply sorry
to hear about this, Kevin.
Clams like you are truely near sighted, if not totally blind.
Kevin Brady is a victim of religious discrimination. Because he is NOT
a scientologist, his children are being kept away from him, despite a
court order allowing him visitation and notification of residence. He
stated that his correspondence is returned and that he has the child
support monies and that no one is asking for them. He is NOT a Dead
Beat Dad; he's a Suppressed Dad and the suppressor is the Church of
Scientology and it's policy of Disconnection which his ex-wife is
indoctrinated by.
"No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy,
family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and
reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law
against such interference or attacks.» - Article 12 of the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights "
http://www.xenu-directory.net/practices/disconnection1.html
Kevin is not alone.
Father Fights for Children from Scientologist Ex-Wife
Scientology's policy of "disconnection" forbids Scientology members to
have ...
>From F.A.C.T.Net, Inc. (Fight Against Coercive Tactics Network
www.factnet.org/Scientology/custody.html
Rolling Stone (Feb. 2006): "Inside Scientology" by Janet Reitman
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9363363/inside_scientology
Saying goodbye to the father he never knew
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070617/LIFE/706170310/1018/OPINION
Maybe it was because you were hiding behind the woodpile while your
accomplice tried to poison the lizards.
Zinj
--
You Can Lead a Clam to Reason; but You Can't Make Him Think
Whatever, I'm sure meeting you wasn't exactly what I'd call a pleasure.
How about you grow some balls and tell me who you are and when we met?
No?
Figures.
Where's hiding on the tone scale, you gutless wuss?
>Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> We have met before, Barbara Graham. You were shifty.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>You aren't that stuffed shirt who was swanning around at Tory's party,
>are you?
>Or maybe you're the beady-eyed OT with the evil look who attended our
>talk to the San Diego Sceptic Society?
>Or perhaps you're Pamela Lichtenwalner?
>
>Whatever, I'm sure meeting you wasn't exactly what I'd call a pleasure.
>How about you grow some balls and tell me who you are and when we met?
>
>No?
>
>Figures.
>Where's hiding on the tone scale, you gutless wuss?
>
>--
Sten-Arne and I were discussing that earlier. It's -8.0 on the tone
scale. Shortly after we discussed it, he went into hiding. (After
publicly disconnecting from me.)
Anyhow, it sounds as though you attend some really interesting
parties. Have fun with that.
-- Jonathon
"Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
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> another link
>
> www.payyourchildsupportyoudeadbeatdadkevinbrady.org
>
>
"Out_Of_The_Dark" <xscilen...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
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"t_shuffle" <thorazin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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She is a free thinker. I will respect her wish not to be communicated to.
This all happened around her birthday, and I expected some trouble. I think
she's smart enough to see that my sending her presents is not threatening or
evil. :)
"Eldon" <Eldo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Kevin,
>
> I'm so sorry (but not surprised) to hear that the evil cult has
> intervened in your newfound relationship with your daughter. It's
> disgusting.
>
> If she is still a minor, I guess there might be some legal recourse if
> you wanted to pursue that messy, circuitous route. Probably not worth
> it.
>
> But life is a two-way street. She can request that you not respond or
> contact her. But she can't stop you from reaching out to her. The
> sooner she realizes how she has been manipulated, the better off she
> will be.
>
> Much as i respect your Freezone attempts to strain out the baby from
> the bathwater, this baby is in danger of going down the drain, and I
> gotta be honest with you about that. Rescue her if you can.
"Sten-Arne" <ze...@zerpe.ath.cx> wrote in message
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> On 13 Juli, 05:39, "Kevin Brady" <gomorr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, I tapered off in use, and hadn't been disclosing something to this
>> group, for stategerie reasons.
>>
>>
>
> I'm so sorry to hear it went into another disconnection Kevin. It's so
> crazy when any cult or group, force their members to disconnect. It's
> just one more testament, that they're afraid of the truth, and have to
> protect their members from that which they claim to offer in the first
> place.
>
> Illogical, crazy, insane...
>
> Sten-Arne
>
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> In article <4696...@news2.lightlink.com>,
> Hang in there kevin.
>
> Karma rules.
>
> And you have other connections than letters....
>
> Alex
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"Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
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> You should be making sure your daughter has adequate money available to
> take care of her basic needs, rather than getting drunk on tequila,
> using foul language, and feeling sorry for yourself. You can start by
> getting that child support money to your daughter.
>
I agree that you should write more about this and I hope you do.
We will meet again.
Well, it is heartbreaking, but I'm not so dramatic as to think it's
world-ending. And, again, I'm not really convinced that she's asleep, or
hypnotized, or any of that stuff.
Instead, she's been living with her mother for many years, and her mother
had been leaning on scientology (I'm not sure if she still is, but it seems
like the practices stuck, whether she's in tight with an org or not) for
support. Her mom got her through a lot of tough times, I'm sure, and has
always been there for her. I, on the other hand (no matter what I might
have LIKED to be the case), was not. So, in the end, she felt like she was
keeping secrets from the one person in the world who had always been there
for her, and causing stress in her life by communicating with me. It caught
up to her. I think it is likely that this email was inspired by the Church,
but I can't prove it.
I think she'll come around, as time goes by, but nothing can replace the
time lost: I'll never be the father to her that I wanted to be, or that she
really needed, whether she knows it or not. So she's clinging to what she
does have, and warding me off to prevent any possibility of the boat
rocking: as she said, it's not worth it to her. And, unbelievable as it
might sound, I can understand. She lives in a nice house, goes to a good
school, and has a happy life with her friends. What can I possibly be to
her other than a shadow over her sunny day? I think I can be something
else, but why would she risk it?
I'd love to be able to provide the poster-boy for "abused by Church", such
that I could be useful in a PR war, but a lot of it is my own damned fault.
I'm just glad she and I got some reconnection, before the window shut.
She'll always remember it, and in the future, she'll always remember that I
didn't force her to do anything or rock her boat. That might count for
something down the road. Or it might not.
:)
"Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
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A threat? You are an anonymous coward. Is this what you call saving the
planet? Is this what you dreamed of doing when you first joined up?
Shame on you and your leaders - this type of behaviour is beyond childish.
Kim P
Oh, duh. Precoffee question, never mind.
Doesn't matter WHO it's addressing, you see. It's one of those
"SOMEONE YOU TRUST IS ONE OF US" thingies. LOL...yes, yes, it all makes
sense now that I've been encaffeinated.
It could be talking to anyone. And someone is gonna think, "Some friend
doesn't like me? They misspelled my name? I was at a meeting?"
All general scattershot, hoping to hit the side of a barn. Heh.
Dontcha love the clammies' attempts at psychological warfare?
I mean, they're just so darn good at it! <G>
Evil little creature. You're a poor excuse for a human being. Don't
you realise that the behavior you're demonstrating is against the
"ethics" of your cult, as well as moral decency in the social world?
Actually I'm glad you're here. With people like you around, the
lurkers and undecided people who may come across these threads will
see the true face of Scientology. You're showing them exactly why
critics exist.
That's right, this piece of OSA slime is welcome to stay around
with more filth, lies and 'Fair Game' harassment coming straight
from the mouth of the Dirty Tricks Department of Scientology.
This smear campaign against anyone, who does not fall for
the scam and money machine cult, speak out against it, is part
of being a scientologist. Well, who wants to join the Evil and
Black Church of Scientology?
Have a good day, bigot.
But, look! It's not a smear campaign against *anyone!*
Note the generalization, the fact that it's not really addressing anyone
in particular.
Your job, should you decide to accept it, is to assume that this general
attack on nobody specific is directed at *you.*
Crude, and not very good, but I guess it could work on someone who
doesn't quite get how the Scientology mindfuck operates.
"Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
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They will probably conveniently forget to mention Scientology on it,
too. But, anyone with a good Magic Marker can help them with that! ;)
>
> "Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
> news:6e415889c4e43699...@dizum.com...
>> I have selected three pictures for the next warning poster. It will be
>> put up in your neighborhood. I will include scans of your criminal
>> record.
>>
>> Have a good day, bigot.
>>
>
>
"Brought to you by the good cultists at the Church of Scientology and the
Anonymous coward using the pseudonymn Nomen Nescio"
"barb" <xenu...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Heh...then we'll know who this anonymous boogeyclam is addressing, won't we?
Boogeyclam. Heh.
I think they "know" that, if they do it right, it will work. There's
that miniscule chance that synchronicity will smile upon them at the
right time, place and person, and someone they consider an enemy will
pause for a nanosecond before continuing on about their daily business.
Big win! Hoop hoop hooraw for Ron!