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My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.

After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
stories.

This post is my "short story". I have written up more of my stories
in Scn and will post them soon.

I became involved with Scn in 1973 at the Narconon program in New
London, Connecticut. I was 18 years old at the time. I had been
accepted to the University of Connecticut but I dropped out and joined
the VISTA volunteers, which was a sort of a Peace Corps program for
the impoverished areas of the US.

I became a heavy drug user and came to a point in my life where I
realized I had to handle my drug problem. That decision led me to
Narconon and then directly to Scientology.

At that time (1973) NN didn't hide the Scn connection. It was quite
open and the Narconon Course packs were the actual HCOB's and PL's and
not the glossy Narconon packs that you see today. The Narconon
Objectives Course was called the HQS Course or the Hubbard Qualified
Scientologist Course when I joined up in 1973.

After a few years I became the ED of Narconon Connecticut (NN CT) and
then was recruited into the Boston Guardians Office (GO) in 1979. I
held the post of Dir of Rehab, Social Coordination Boston, and ran the
Narconons, Applied Scholastics and Schools (Apple and then Delphi) in
the New England area.

I left the GO in 1981 to have a family. I did not want to raise
children while on Church staff and year or so after I left the GO it
was disbanded for being a "suppressive group".

I stayed off lines for several years but then eventually found my way
back and was recruited as an "OSA volunteer". At first I did overt
data collection for OSA Boston and then after a while I was involved
in more "covert" activities such as infiltrating a "squirrel group",
stealing trash and other OSA "ops". I did this kind of volunteer OSA
work for approximately 14 years on and off and will be writing more
detailed accounts of my activities as an OSA volunteer.

It's nothing I am proud of, it's just information that I think should
be made known.

I don't remember what it was that got me interested in reading
critical sites but one day I just jumped in and started reading. After
a while I came to realize that current C of S was not the same C of S
that I joined in 1973. I decided that I would no longer support the C
of S and slowly drifted away.

In Sept, 2003, Maureen O'Keefe, a woman that I recruited into Scn and
one of my closest friends showed up at my home unannounced and
uninvited. Maureen was the Invest Dir for OSA Boston and she brought
along a woman named Kathy True, from OSA Int. They arrived on a
Saturday night around 9:00.

When they arrived I had already fallen asleep on the couch while
watching TV and so their knocking at my front door startled me. I
invited them in, after all Maureen was a good friend and her mother
lives only a few towns away from me so it sort of made sense that she
might drop in to see me, but it was strange that she hadn't called
first.

It didn't take long for me to find out that it was not a friendly
uninvited drop by. They were there on official business and accused
me of sending out OT III data from my yahoo account to a Scn mailing
list.

I told them no way, this was not possible, and that I would never do
such a thing. I was told that if they could just have access to my
computer they could clear this entire matter up. I realized they
expected me to just let them have access with no questions because if
you are a good Scientologist, and you were innocent of any "crimes"
you would not hesitate to do what OSA wanted you to do.

My computer was located in my bedroom and at that moment my husband
was asleep in bed and there was no way I was going to have them go in
there and start looking around and disturbing my husband. I don't
know about you, but I don't like people in my bedroom. And I knew my
husband wouldn't appreciate it.

Kathy True told me that they had a computer expert look at the email
and he concluded that the OT III information definitely was sent from
my account. Of course they brought no proof of this.

I told them someone must of hacked into my account and done this and
that I would close the account and inform hotmail of what was going
on.

I refused them access to my computer not only because it would have
disturbed my husband, but also because this whole caper stunk and I
knew they were lying but I couldn't figure out why. I had worked for
OSA long enough to know that they were running some kind of crazy con
on me and I was a bit upset that they were not forthcoming with the
real reason why they were there. Maureen O'Keefe knew me and knew I
would never mail out OT III data but she sat there and lied to my
face. It scared the hell out of me that a woman that I loved and
trusted for so many years would do this to a friend.

Maureen O'Keefe, the woman I recruited into Scn, the godmother to my
son, the woman that was a bridesmaid in my wedding, this same woman
who called herself my friend was in my home and lying to me and
running some kind of OSA op on me. Why?

Finally I told them I was tired and they got me to agree that they
could discuss this further with me on the next day.

Maureen and Kathy showed up the next day but ran into the problem of
it being Sunday and the only thing that happens on a Sunday afternoon
in the fall/winter in the Pieniadz house is eating, drinking and
watching football and/or watching UConn basketball. I forgot that I
had invited friends over to watch with us and so Maureen and Kathy
walked in on a little football party and seemed none to pleased.

Maureen and Kathy wanted to talk to me privately but I explained to
them that I told my friends about the problem of my hotmail account
being hacked into and that confidential data sent out from it and so
they could freely discuss the matter with my friends (Wogs) in the
room.

Maureen proceeded tell me that the problem was all solved! All I had
to do was give them my computer and then they would put in a PO
(purchase order) for me to have a brand new computer. These two girls
must have thought I just fell off the turnip truck. I am going to
give them my brand new computer and THEN they will get a PO approved?
Right, sure! The chances of them getting a PO approved for a brand
new computer for someone they suspect is sending out OT III materials
is about triple zero. None, nada, no way, forget about it.

I told them NO WAY it wasn't going to happen and they both were a bit
miffed at my refusal to their brilliant idea. I invited them to stay,
have lunch and watch the football game but they declined.

I noticed a few months later that I stopped getting Scn magazines and
Scn junk mail, and thought it was weird but figured they were mad a me
and this was how they were letting me know.

Nine months later I got my official SP declare in the mail and just
for good measure they declared my husband as well. I'll get it posted
as soon as I figure out how.


I have to say I was rather ambivalent when I got that declare. I was
sort of curious as to what it was all about but I had no interest in
querying it or getting copies of these KR's that were never sent to me
and that might explain what exactly my "crimes" were.

It proved my point that my friend Maureen was lying to me because the
declare said nothing about sending out OT III data but instead accused
me of passing on information to critics.

I was actually relieved when I received that declare because I would
never have to answer up or explain why I wasn't following one of the
many Scn's rules of life. I was free to pursue whatever interests I
wanted to and was no longer restricted in looking and learning in
life. I was free of them and was happy that I would not have to deal
with them ever again.

Then a few days before Christmas 2004, Maureen O'Keefe showed up at my
work. Yes, I work in donut shop!

I am an OT III that works in a donut shop. I spent all of my adult
life in Scn and after 30 years of being with them the only skill I had
was being a Scio and working in a Scio company. The only thing
available to me was minimum wage because I had no real prior
experience in anything else.

So I took the job of working in the donut shop with my mom and we have
lots of fun. That photo of on the Scn website (Religious Freedom
Watch) was taken on what is known as "wacky Wednesday". That was a
day that we had a great time and everyone at work dressed up kind of
wacky. So of course, in true Scn style, one of Scn's PI's or
"volunteers" came to my work that day and took the picture. Scn has a
very perverted sense of "fun". Only they would use something theta
like a bunch of women having fun and dressing up funny, and using it
to belittle that person.

But just recently the local paper did a feature article on me and mom.
I'll also post that article as soon as I figure how to do that.

I think OSA thought that it might embarrass me to work in a place like
that but it doesn't. I love that job and have a great deal of fun
there. I know hundreds of people from working there. I can't go
anywhere in town without seeing 4 or 5 people I know and we say hi or
stop and chat. It was never like that when I was in Scn. I work with
wogs now and we all get along and we even do things together outside
of work. I don't have to worry about stats or conditions or fake
status levels.

Maureen O'Keefe showing up at work right before Christmas kind of
surprised me. I was curious as to why she was there and realized she
must have gotten some sort of special OK to speak with me now that I
was a declared SP.

Maureen took me out to lunch (Dutch treat, of course) and we chit
chatted about friends and family and then Maureen asked me why I
thought she was there. I told her I thought that she must be here
because she cared about me and want to talk me into doing my A to E.

She was seemed a bit surprised by my answer and said, "well actually,
no, that would be nice, but I am here to tell you that we know you are
posting to the internet as Cerridwen and that we can't have you do
that". She did not wait for a reply but instead just started what
appeared to be a scripted talk about how she knows that I might have
disagreements but she knows that I loved Scn as much as she does and
she can't understand why I am doing this and if I continued posting to
ars that she would be forced to apply the PL on handling critics.

We talked for about 2 and a half hours and when I asked what proof she
had to say that I was posting, she said that it was done through a
process of elimination, whatever that means.

I didn't bring in up at the time but it occurred to me that Cerridwen
posts reports on the C of S events and I haven't been to an event in
years and OSA knows that because they keep lists of who attends.

Maureen was trying to "pull strings" to find out when and why I became
disaffected. She said something about having spent a lot of time with
my folders and putting together a time track of me but she still just
couldn't figure it out.

Well of course she couldn't figure it out. Maureen O'Keefe is a very
indoctrinated Scientologists and couldn't figure her way out of a
paper bag without Hubbard telling her how.

It finally came down to Maureen saying. "If you don't stop posting,
we will apply the policy on handling critics". I told her if she did
apply those policies against me I would forgive her.

A few days after our lunch together, Maureen called my house and left a
message for my husband Bobby. Bobby has no interest in talking with
Maureen or any one from the Church as he had already left the Church
years before me.

We had a family conference with my son Derek and decided that we would
just write a letter of disconnection to Maureen and the C of S and
tell her to just leave us alone. The day after I sent the letter of
disconnection, they put up a webpage about me on Religious Freedom
Watch.

I currently suffer from several autoimmune diseases that I am working
hard on getting under control and getting myself healthier. I finally
started doing something about these diseases once I left the church
and rid myself of my agreement with Scn's viewpoint on the medical
profession and that all illness stems only from ptsness and spiritual
problems. I finally got rid of the false information that I truly
believed in . That false information assisted in me neglecting my
health for a very long time thinking Scn tech (the OT levels) would
handle it.

And as far as all my "finance crimes" -- I swear I was just following
LRH finance policy!;)

I figure any critic with one of those disgusting pages already knows
that they are filled with half truths and lies. I'm not going to even
bother to explain the real truth behind them. I don't really care what
they say about me. They are only words and lying words at that. They
have no power over me any more.

I have a lot more to report on and give my permission for this and my
other stories to be webbed by critics of Scientology.


Patty Pieniadz


Howard

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Top post:

Dear Patty

An interesting account - thankyou.

cheers

Howard
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Zinj

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In article <46m73cF...@individual.net>, ppienia...@gmail.com
says...

Congratulations Patty, and welcome aboard. It'll be great to hear more
of your story.

Zinj
--
You Can Lead a Clam to Reason; but You Can't Make Him Think

Pieniadz Whale Watching Tours

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Phil Scott

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Superb write up Patty. Its reports like these, human,
factual, plane spoken, and not elaborated that make it very
clear what is going with scientology, and how they operate.

Your accounts of how the USGO and OSA work, and how your long
time friends lied to your face gives additional insight into
the insidious nature of this cult.

You are well spoken, obviously intelligent, with a life...
this shows and its in contrast to the cult tactics and
operations.


I myself would appreciate anything you can add about how
deeply scn has infiltrated government and corporations ...

from what I can gather lately that is ramping up steeply, but
kept carefully under wraps with the ops drilled not to use any
scn language, references or connections... but so far these
have always included one very direct but casually mentioned
scientology connection... an example would be 'delphi or
apple school etc' not use of the scn name..but enough to
trigger a reaction from someone critical to scn that would
know about the connection. These people Ive run into lately,
one called me on a professional deal so it could have been a
set up, the other I met by accident in a situation that
wouldnt have been a set up.


It is also just GREAT to hear that your coming out onto ARS is
because of the cult ops against Chuck Beaty..he is doing a
world class job...

combined thats going to break this mess wide open, especially
as investigators continue to put 2 and 2 together as they did
with Reed Slatkin, on the larger real estate/ bank and money
laundering frauds.


www.lermanet.com
www.slatkifraud.com
www.digl-watch.com
www.torymagoo.org

Phil Scott

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Kim Palmer

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Thank you for taking the time to share your story and posting
it here for all to share. Congrats on finding your way out and
beyond the insanity that is COS. I look forward to more stories
from you,.

Kim P

Ed

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Patty PIeniadz wrote:
>
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
> After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> stories.
>
> This post is my "short story". I have written up more of my stories
> in Scn and will post them soon.
>

{rest snipped]

Thanks for coming out and I'm looking forward to more of your
story. Best of luck in your endeavors. It looks like you have a whole
town there to back you up if OSA tries anything nasty.

BTW, how do you pronounce the name Pieniadz?

Ed

Michael Greenberg

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Mar 1, 2006, 3:01:46 PM3/1/06
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Thanks for being there and all you've done over the years.


Michael Greenberg

Chip Gallo

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Patty Pieniadz

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"Zinj" <zinj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.ffffffffb...@news.day.sbcglobal.net...
> Congratulations Patty, and welcome aboard. It'll be great to hear more
> of your story.


Thanks Zinj!

There's lots more to come!

Patty Pieniadz

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"Phil Scott" <phil...@philscott.net> wrote in message
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>
> Superb write up Patty. Its reports like these, human, factual, plane
> spoken, and not elaborated that make it very clear what is going with
> scientology, and how they operate.
>
> Your accounts of how the USGO and OSA work, and how your long time friends
> lied to your face gives additional insight into the insidious nature of
> this cult.
>
> You are well spoken, obviously intelligent, with a life... this shows and
> its in contrast to the cult tactics and operations.

Thanks Phil, That's very nice of you to say that.


>
>
> I myself would appreciate anything you can add about how deeply scn has
> infiltrated government and corporations ...

What I know will be posted in my stories. I haven't been active
in Scn for a few years so I'm not really up to date with what is
currently going on in regard to infiltration of gov't and corporations.

>
> >
> It is also just GREAT to hear that your coming out onto ARS is because of
> the cult ops against Chuck Beaty..he is doing a world class job...

Chuck is simply awesome.

Patty


Patty Pieniadz

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"Howard" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Top post:
>
> Dear Patty
>
> An interesting account - thankyou.
>
> cheers


You're welcome :-)

Patty


Patty Pieniadz

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"Ed" <met...@aol.com> wrote in message news:4405F834...@aol.com...

Thanks Ed,

Yes,I'm pretty well known around town and have lots of wog friends these
days
and most of them know all about my Scn past and have been educated as to
OSA's dumb games.

>
> BTW, how do you pronounce the name Pieniadz?

It's pronounced Pee-nee-adz. It's Polish and is my husband's name.

My maiden name was Moher.


Patty


Patty Pieniadz

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"Pieniadz Whale Watching Tours" <thra...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
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LOL!

That was fast.

Just in case you missed it. My best friend was Maureen O'keefe, Invest Dir
of OSA
Boston.

Seen here:

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/mirror/xenu.ca/pickets/photos/1998-09-19-deepwog/n/020.jpg

and here:

http://www.pewid.ch/img/boston2.gif

Patty


Patty Pieniadz

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"Michael Greenberg" <micha...@mac.com> wrote in message
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Hi Michael,

Thanks and I've only just begun!

Patty
>

>


Patty Pieniadz

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"Kim Palmer" <yduzit...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
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>
> Thank you for taking the time to share your story and posting
> it here for all to share. Congrats on finding your way out and
> beyond the insanity that is COS. I look forward to more stories
> from you,.
>

Thanks for your kind welcome Kim,

There's lots more to come!

Patty


Ball of Fluff

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Patty PIeniadz wrote:
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
> After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> stories.
>
> This post is my "short story". I have written up more of my stories
> in Scn and will post them soon.
>


I look forward to them.

You are obviously a courageous and decent person and glad to see you
posting here.

Claire

Howard

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Oh and btw, welcome to ars.

Howard
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Michael Pattinson

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Bravo Patty !!!

Wonderful to see your stories posted so well here!

I would be interested in the OSA ops that you know about...

:))

Love

Michael Pattinson
karethian at msn dot com

Michael Greenberg

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What I meant was.... thanks for being a scientologist for so many years
and finally coming out..
Welcome..


MIchael Greenberg
> >
>
> >

Susan

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Welcome Patty!

Congratulations on your freedom from the insidious cult of scientology!

Thanks for sharing your well written story.

I'm looking forward to more of them.

Susan

Patty Pieniadz

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Chip Gallo wrote:

>>
>
> Hi Patty! What has motivated you to talk about your secret agent
> duties more openly? Please remember to shred private stuff and
> monitor your credit (but you knew that ...).
>
> Thanks,
> Chip Gallo


Chuck Beatty was my inspiration. He's been asking for Ex SO to come forward
(I'm not EX so) and he's been asking if anyone has information on OSA
activities
that could be recorded for historial purposes.

OSA has been viciously been attacking Chuck and he has been standing up to
them
and letting them know that he's not afraid of them. I figured it was time
for me to do the same.


Patty


Patty Pieniadz

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Thanks Claire,

You too are courageous and decent and I am very happy to be here with you.

Patty


Patty Pieniadz

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No problem, that's kind of what I thought you meant!

Patty
>
>
> MIchael Greenberg


Patty Pieniadz

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Michael Pattinson wrote:
> Bravo Patty !!!
>
> Wonderful to see your stories posted so well here!
>
> I would be interested in the OSA ops that you know about...


I aim to please!

I will be posting what I have written up so far and then as things shake
loose from
my memory, I'm sure I will have more things to tell you.


Patty


Patty Pieniadz

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Mar 1, 2006, 4:18:21 PM3/1/06
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Susan wrote:
> Welcome Patty!
>
> Congratulations on your freedom from the insidious cult of
> scientology!
> Thanks for sharing your well written story.
>
> I'm looking forward to more of them.
>
> Susan


Keep your eyes on ars, I have a few good ones that you might find
interesting.

And thanks for the welcome.

Patty


Zinj

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In article <G9KYRNSU3877...@reece.net.au>,
thra...@reece.net.au says...

> You are nothing but a beached whale, Patty Pieniadz.
>

And you are the 'Church' of Scientology; and religiousfreedomwatch is
the 'Church' of Scientology, although it's too ashamed to put its name
to it. Or to you, which means they are also too ashamed of you.

moontaco

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Hi Patty. Sorry for top-posting but I wanted to make my post easily
accessible.

I have to admit, I am (relatively) late thanking you for your post
because when I first saw it I thought it was another CoS attempt to
smear Cerridwen, so I ignored it. I just found out what it really was a
fewminutes ago when I saw it reposted on on the Operation Clambake
message board. I'm glad I finally read it, and I look forward to
reading your other messages.

I'll join everyone else in welcoming you to ARS. I also wanted to tell
you that my first job ever was at Dunkin' Donuts and I had alot of fun
there (even though my boss was a pain in the ass). I worked the counter
and occasionally even got to "finish" donuts. (I don't know if you call
it that, but it's adding topping and fillings to the donuts.)

Nice to meet you.

Beth (aka moontaco)


Patty PIeniadz wrote:
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
> After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> stories.
>
> This post is my "short story". I have written up more of my stories
> in Scn and will post them soon.
>

goo...@draemr.com

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Hi Patty,

I too want to thank you and encourage you for coming *out* under your
own name to reveal your own personal knowledge about the "church" of
scientology.

There is something very powerful and rewarding about standing up as
yourself, testifying as to what you know to be true despite what slings
and arrows may come.

It communicates. It comes across so powerfully.

And by contrast to the "PR" "acceptable truths" "shore stories" and
"positioning" of those who still are under the sway of the "church", it
reveals these as the "church's" cynical posturings and manipulative
lying they are.

Michael Leonard Tilse

Patty Pieniadz

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"moontaco" <moont...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141249933.5...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> Hi Patty. Sorry for top-posting but I wanted to make my post easily
> accessible.
>
> I have to admit, I am (relatively) late thanking you for your post
> because when I first saw it I thought it was another CoS attempt to
> smear Cerridwen, so I ignored it. I just found out what it really was a
> fewminutes ago when I saw it reposted on on the Operation Clambake
> message board. I'm glad I finally read it, and I look forward to
> reading your other messages.
>
> I'll join everyone else in welcoming you to ARS. I also wanted to tell
> you that my first job ever was at Dunkin' Donuts and I had alot of fun
> there (even though my boss was a pain in the ass). I worked the counter
> and occasionally even got to "finish" donuts. (I don't know if you call
> it that, but it's adding topping and fillings to the donuts.)
>
> Nice to meet you.
>
> Beth (aka moontaco)
>
It's very nice to meet you Beth.


I love working at Dunkin D. It's the first time I have ever worked with
wogs
and boy they are a fun bunch of people.

I'll see if I can dig up that article that the local paper did on me and
mom.

Patty


moontaco

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I see you posted it. Cool! It's next on my list. :-)

Beth

bb

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Of course you know I love you. :)

Is good to know you. :)

bb

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Hartley Patterson

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Patty PIeniadz ppienia...@gmail.com:

>
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
> After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> stories.

And thank you for doing so. I was surprised when you were 'revealed' to be
Cerridwen since my impression was that that individual was covering her
tracks better, and your story seems to add to the mystery. Perhaps someone
higher up the food chain than your ex-friend is convinced and no one is
going to contradict that person.

Anyway, it's good to hear that becoming an evil enemy of the cult by proxy
hasn't upset you.

--
Alt.Religion.Scientology FAQ
http://www.daisy.freeserve.co.uk/faq.htm

Muldoon

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Patty PIeniadz wrote:
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.

-snip-

> Patty Pieniadz

Welcome!

And thank you for the wonderful postings so far. Already, you have
helped many.

Phineas Fogg

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Dear Patty,

Thank you for this wonderful post, very informative.


Take care,

Phineas Fogg

"Patty PIeniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:46m73cF...@individual.net...


>
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>

> After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> stories.
>

Larry T.

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"Phineas Fogg" <nice...@ifyoucangetit.com> wrote in message
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Lying is a Scientology sacrament.

--
http://mysite.verizon.net/toomajan
Larry


Famous...@artlover.com

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Patty PIeniadz wrote:
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I

You are also Cerridwen, you fabricate stories, and you violate the
privacy of Scientologists by posting longs lists with their names in
hostile newsgroup as this to harass them.

I don't believe your victim story at all.

One day you might get sued.

http://www.parishioners.org/extremists/pieniadzp01.html

barbz

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Famous...@artlover.com wrote:

Hehehehe...you culties are funny when you're riled. Or "enturbulated,"
as Ron liked to put it.

--
--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC
xenu...@netscape.net

"Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now
every century, Scientology does weird and stupid things
to damage its own reputation."
-Steve Zadarnowski

"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"

"$cientology sees the world this way: One man with a picket sign:
terrorism. Five thousand people dead in a deliberate inferno: business
opportunity.

$cientology oozes _under_ terrorists to hide."
-Chris Leithiser

Phil Scott

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"Patty Pieniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:46mf2tF...@individual.net...
>
> "Phil Scott" <phil...@philscott.net> wrote in message
> news:du4rmb$eov$1...@news.tdl.com...
>>
>> Superb write up Patty. Its reports like these, human,
>> factual, plane spoken, and not elaborated that make it very
>> clear what is going with scientology, and how they operate.
>>
>> Your accounts of how the USGO and OSA work, and how your
>> long time friends lied to your face gives additional
>> insight into the insidious nature of this cult.
>>
>> You are well spoken, obviously intelligent, with a life...
>> this shows and its in contrast to the cult tactics and
>> operations.
>
> Thanks Phil, That's very nice of you to say that.
>
>
>>
>>
>> I myself would appreciate anything you can add about how
>> deeply scn has infiltrated government and corporations ...
>
> What I know will be posted in my stories. I haven't been
> active
> in Scn for a few years so I'm not really up to date with
> what is
> currently going on in regard to infiltration of gov't and
> corporations.
>
>
>
>>
>> >
>> It is also just GREAT to hear that your coming out onto ARS
>> is because of the cult ops against Chuck Beaty..he is doing
>> a world class job...
>
> Chuck is simply awesome.

Adding what Chuck is doing, and what you and others just
coming out are doing, its a little more than awesome. This
mess is unraveling and there will be no way to ravel it back
again.

Posting publicly as you are doing will be good protection for
you... every stab in the back the cos tries will be
documented....

it is my view that they have a lot more to loose by expose
than any of us realize, and it is this that accounts for the
insane levels of ruthlessness. I dont think its saving the
planet at this point.

Many ex scn executives have testified that the insiders at the
top had never believed in L Rongs baloney. I saw that even as
public at flag... these people in some areas were callous on
the issue.


Phil Scott

>
> Patty
>


cultxpt

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Mar 1, 2006, 8:37:14 PM3/1/06
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In my few dealings with Maureen in Clearwater, she at least was
rational enough to talk to, unlike many of the other 'handlers' we had.
In fact, Maureen explained to me why the L's are named that and what
class levels entail. All in all she is one of the nicer Scientologists
that I've met. That's not to say she doesn't do creepy things, just
that I found her at least somewhat accessible.

wbarwell

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Patty PIeniadz wrote:

>
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
> After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> stories.

> -----------------

I don't think any sane person takes their silly hate pages seriously.
This is all pretty weird, its obviously deeply indoctrinated
people inside scientology do not think like the rest of us.

The sad part is, they have obviously galled you enough to speak out which
means they pulled this all in on themselves. They mocked
up enemies and committed overts to make sure they get hit back.
Apparently they can't even apply Hubbard tech correctly.

Anyway, thanks for speaking out and telling us this,
though it is the sort of tale told a million times.
We got tired of it all, left and now are declared by
an angry cult.

Had tehy left you alone, not put up a page
on their hate site, it all would have long been
over.

Now they seemingly have gone to a lot of trouble
for nothing.

--

"If I saw a man beating a tied up horse, I could
not prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong."
- Mark Twain

Cheerful Charlie

Phil Scott

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<Famous...@artlover.com> wrote in message

snip

> One day you might get sued.
>

http://www.parishioners.borg/extremists/ criminal cult.html

Hey! That link is all screwed up.... now look, anon cult
person. it is the cult of scientologists going to prison like
clockwork and molesting the kiddies etc... not those who
expose you people without even the courage to post with your
own name/

Now here is a link that woiks
www.lermanet.com

Impressive, no?
Say hi to Davie for me... whatta guy/

Phil Scott


wbarwell

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Pieniadz Whale Watching Tours wrote:


Here you have it, Stupidology at its best.

ewsnead

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"Patty PIeniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:46m73cF...@individual.net...


>
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
> After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> stories.

> After a few years I became the ED of Narconon Connecticut (NN CT) and
> then was recruited into the Boston Guardians Office (GO) in 1979. I
> held the post of Dir of Rehab, Social Coordination Boston, and ran the
> Narconons, Applied Scholastics and Schools (Apple and then Delphi) in
> the New England area.

Patty, sorry to snip so much of your fascinating saga, but I have a few
questions.

When you arrived at the Boston ORG was it still located on Beacon St just a
short stroll west of Kenmore Square or had it by then relocated to the Back
Bay?

Were Jerome Wilson and Connie Mumas (SP?) still at the ORG. I heard several
years ago that they eventually married and that Wilson climbed the
Scientology career ladder from ORG Registrar to OSA operative. If you are at
all familiar with them, what actually became of Wilson and Connie.

Who was the chief Ethics officer of the Boston ORG at the time of your
arrival?

Thanks for reading. Hope that you respond.

--
ewsnead

We accumulate our opinions at an age when our understanding is at its
weakest. - George Christoph Lichtenberg

http://www.xenu.net
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.lermanet.com
http://www.scientomogy.info/index.html#NEW
http://firstdistributorsnz.com/scien...south-park.htm
http://www.torymagoo.org
http://www.xenutv.com

and (drum roll)
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9363363/inside_scientology

Ed

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Hey... there's no earthly reason to make the word "org" ALL
CAPS. They don't do it in Scn.

Ed

realpch

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Ball of Fluff wrote:
>
> Patty PIeniadz wrote:
> > My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> > on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
> >
> > After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> > his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> > stories.
> >
> > This post is my "short story". I have written up more of my stories
> > in Scn and will post them soon.
> >
>
> I look forward to them.
>
> You are obviously a courageous and decent person and glad to see you
> posting here.
>
> Claire

It's a real treat, isn't it? Wow.

Peach

ewsnead

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"Ed" <met...@aol.com> wrote in message news:44065BB7...@aol.com...

:-)

By capitalizing *ORG* I can enhance the inherent ugliness of this lone
syllable that signifies significant hives of Scientology activity and
thereby enhance the inherent ugliness of Scientology itself.

I keep myself awake late into the night improvising new strategies to drag
Scientology through the mud. It's fun.

--

chuckbeatty77 @aol.com

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Patty PIeniadz wrote:
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
snip

Hi Patty,

I'll bet I know some people you know. I helped train a bunch of Boston
Org execs in the late 70's early 80's. Nick Petrunti, Ron Savello,
Michele (Savello), Andy and Lisa Cowenhoven, Paul and Jean Disher, and
some public like Charlie McCarthy. My first wife used to be in Dept 1
of HCO in Boston Org, back in the early 70's, Ann Halbom, married and
forget her married name.

I completely agree about working with real people, lots of them, daily.
I sell newspapers, door to door. For me, its like I finally got a
real look at life, working with the wide public daily. I just had no
idea about life and people until this door to door salesman job. I
think getting to know people in the raw in life, is just the best
reindoctrination after my own 27 years in the isolated bubble of the
Sea Org. I love talking to people at their homes daily. It's just
such an eye-opener.

I estimate I've talked to about 10-15 thousand people in the last 1 1/2
years, going door to door.

I would love to hear more about how OSA volunteers work, and your take
on the official church today and the trends you think in the OSA stuff,
whether it's lightening up, or what.

I am so pollyanna about things, I just can't imagine that official
Scientology will not inevitably slowly change from its worst policies
that cause so much public backlash.

So many people are declared SP, wrongly. Thousands and thousands of
wrong SP declares.

The only sane handling is an unconditional amnesty, and start over, and
NOT declare people anymore. The LRH reference I found they could use,
would be the "About Rhodesia" tape.

I'd give you a big hug if I could! Thanks for coming out!

Best, Chuck Beatty

Magoo

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"Patty PIeniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:46m73cF...@individual.net...
>
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
> After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> stories.

wooo hooooooooooo! Thanks, Patty, and welcome!


>
> This post is my "short story". I have written up more of my stories
> in Scn and will post them soon.

:)


>
> I became involved with Scn in 1973 at the Narconon program in New
> London, Connecticut. I was 18 years old at the time. I had been
> accepted to the University of Connecticut but I dropped out and joined
> the VISTA volunteers, which was a sort of a Peace Corps program for
> the impoverished areas of the US.
>
> I became a heavy drug user and came to a point in my life where I
> realized I had to handle my drug problem. That decision led me to
> Narconon and then directly to Scientology.
>
> At that time (1973) NN didn't hide the Scn connection. It was quite
> open and the Narconon Course packs were the actual HCOB's and PL's and
> not the glossy Narconon packs that you see today. The Narconon
> Objectives Course was called the HQS Course or the Hubbard Qualified
> Scientologist Course when I joined up in 1973.
>

> After a few years I became the ED of Narconon Connecticut (NN CT) and
> then was recruited into the Boston Guardians Office (GO) in 1979. I
> held the post of Dir of Rehab, Social Coordination Boston, and ran the
> Narconons, Applied Scholastics and Schools (Apple and then Delphi) in
> the New England area.
>

> Patty Pieniadz

Congratulations on your coming out! I can't wait to hear more,
and just get to know you more. Thanks for sharing with us......
It's a wild ride, and way worth it :)

My best,
Tory/Magoo~
>
>
>


realpch

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The people associated with that website should be embarrassed at how
transparent are their elitist attitudes towards other people's
employment. I recall that Stacey Brooks was accused of being a former
cocktail waitress. Greg Hagglund was a newspaper deliveryman. Egads! So
if the world went to the Scientologists instead of the dogs as it
currently is doing, who the heck would be left to bring the martinis,
deliver the newspapers, or pour the coffee and serve the donuts? Would a
massive section of the population have to be put on the RPF to handle
these tasks?

Really, it's a delicate operation to endeavor to insult someone
indirectly without insulting lots of other people in the process.

Peach

Tilman Hausherr

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On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:22:23 -0500, "Patty PIeniadz"
<ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I am an OT III that works in a donut shop.

:-)

Some day, Mike Rinder will also work in a donut shop.

And who knows, maybe Warren McShane already does.

Tilman

PS: Welcome to ars!

--
Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP5.55] Entheta * Enturbulation * Entertainment
http://www.xenu.de

Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.

Find broken links on your web site: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html
The Xenu bookstore: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/bookstore.html

Dave Touretzky

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In article <4406084D...@aol.com>, realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>So if the world went to the Scientologists instead of the dogs as it
>currently is doing, who the heck would be left to bring the martinis,
>deliver the newspapers, or pour the coffee and serve the donuts?

I get similar guff from Amway cultists who send me hate mail for my
anti-Amway site. They look down their noses at anyone holding a
"job", working for a "boss" instead of themselves.

I ask them: is that what you tell the teachers who educate your children?
Or the nurses in the hospital who care for you when you're sick? Or
the folks who rush to your house in the middle of the night when you call
for an ambulance or a firetruck?

That tends to wipe the smirks off their faces.

-- Dave Touretzky: "Ambots, Quixtards, and clams, oh my!"
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Amway

gavinoidda

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Patty PIeniadz wrote:
> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I

I am Gavino Idda, I fabricate stories, and I violate the privacy of
Scientology's critics by webbing lies and half-truths on the Church of
Scientology sponsored web site
http://www.parishioners.org/lies&half-truths. Hi Tina Phllips! Hi Joel Phillips!

One day I might get sued. Make that, One day I will get sued.

If you're a Scientologist in good standing reading this, route yourself to
Ethics immediately. But don't mention me by name.

Gavino Idda, OSA Int
Internet Terrorist


Maureen O'Keefe

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On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, "Patty PIeniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote:

>My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
>on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>
>After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
>his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
>stories.
>

>This post is my "short story". I have written up more of my stories
>in Scn and will post them soon.
>

>Patty Pieniadz

I KNEW you were going to do this some day. I JUST KNEW IT!

Maureen O'Keefe
OSA Boston


roger gonnet

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"Patty PIeniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
46m73cF...@individual.net...

Hello Patty!

wellcome on board, to imitate the awfully dead-wrong Hubbard the flubbard.

Indeed, we had some views of you as the bad girl who's in the big list of worse
enemies of the scam cult.

Your story is very interesting. I wish you the best for your health job and
everything.

And yes, your story looks true and fits very well to what the cult says and does
to those who dare to tell the truth!

Have a great time,

thanks for you being there, --


Roger Gonnet

Opposant à la scientologie depuis 23 ans
Opposing scientology crime cult since 23 Years

www.antisectes.net

http://scientologie.fraude.free.fr

http://ccdh.critique.free.fr

http://narconon.critique.free.fr

www.xenufrance.net

tél (33)[0]4 26 81 00 96
>
>

David Miscavige

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On Thu, 02 Mar 2006, Tilman Hausherr <tilman...@snafu.de> wrote:

>On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:22:23 -0500, "Patty PIeniadz"
><ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I am an OT III that works in a donut shop.
>
> :-)
>
>Some day, Mike Rinder will also work in a donut shop.
>
>And who knows, maybe Warren McShane already does.

I will never work in a donut shop. Prisons don't have donut shops.

DM

"There is none more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they
are free!" Goethe.


Ku...@anon.lcs.mit.edu

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If you had replaced yourself and turned over your hat, we would have left
you alone. :^)

Kurt Weiland, OSA Int

On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, "Patty PIeniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote:

Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam

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Patty PIeniadz skrev:

> My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.

> ned up in 1973.
>
<snip of bandwith concerns>

Thank you so much for an interesting and touching story. You are so
wellcome to the world of "wogs" ( I guess you already know that) I hope
you get the best possible professional help and adequate therapy for
your autimmune problems.

Ulf Brettstam, MD
and ( Oh My) Senior Psychiatrist

andyhoare

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Mar 2, 2006, 6:24:29 AM3/2/06
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Hey Patty!

You were such an inspiration to us OSA volunteers in Toronto. We're all
sorry to see you go.

But maybe some day we'll see you on the other side of ... the trash.

Andy Hoare, OSA Int Volunteer


On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, "Patty PIeniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote:

>My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
>on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
>

Eldonbraun

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Magoo wrote:
> "Patty PIeniadz" <ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46m73cF...@individual.net...
> >
> > My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
> > on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.
> >
> > After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
> > his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
> > stories.
>
> wooo hooooooooooo! Thanks, Patty, and welcome!

Tory, Patty and Chuck:

One thing y'all should realize, word clear ;-) and fully understand is
this: The duration and depth of your involvement in Scientology is
directly proportionate to your ability to expose it now that you're
out. To put it another way, your stories are far more valuable in
forwarding the emancipation of cult slaves than what others like myself
have to say. It's an Uncle Tom's Cabin sorta thing, you know. It gets
people riled.

Patty, I just LOVED that bit about your "best friend" showing up at
your house on a Saturday night demanding immediate access to your
computer. At some point, LRH surely must have issued a policy stating
that a primie condition of Scientology membership is granting a
permanent, unconditional search warrant of said member's residence and
personal property, including brain cells. The Lisa Clause followed, but
I'm sure there's an early PL to that effect waiting to be discovered in
the "archives" of DM's imagination.

They know how dangerous you are -- ideologically, you are WAY
dangerous. That's precisely why you scare them so much. Keep up the
good work. It is a moral imperative.

BigBeard

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"wbarwell" <wbar...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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> Pieniadz Whale Watching Tours wrote:
>
>
> Here you have it, Stupidology at its best.
>

You mean they don't run the Whale Watching Tours out to the far
side of Block Island from the City Pier in New London any more???
Shuckens!!!

BigBeard
Katana ko chi, SPsoo