If OSA believed in OTs...
barb
would be very careful about harrassing ex-members of the OT level. After
all, they have Powerzz. Power over MEST, power to fry cockroaches with a
thought, and certainly they'd have the power to toast some stupid cultie
lurking in the bushes outside their house. And they'd always KNOW,
wouldn't they, when someone was out there? So you couldn't sneak up on
them. And, once these people had acquired these powerzz, revoking their
paper wouldn't have any effect on them. Seems to me that, if the
Scientology Organization really believed in the crap they're selling,
they'd stay as far away as possible from OT ex-members. It looks like
even the organization itself doesn't take this shit very seriously.
--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC
http://members.cox.net/bwarr1
SqUiGgLeS
Sometimes I get the sense that these organizations,
and churches as well, are just a way for people to
acquire involvement from an inauthentic life.
Squiggles
--
... And so, without illusions and without hope, I shall carry on
until the day I disappear into the shadows I came out of
one day, an ephemeral and vain creature.
- Isabelle Eberhardt
LaserClam
> And, once these people had acquired these powerzz, revoking their
>paper wouldn't have any effect on them. Seems to me that, if the
>Scientology Organization really believed in the crap they're selling,
>they'd stay as far away as possible from OT ex-members. It looks like
>even the organization itself doesn't take this shit very seriously.
Have you noticed any one else who was selling crap?
Chip Gallo
ethics," his powerz would be seriously diminished. He also said that if the
$$ put on his account at Flag was obtained illegally, he would not get gains
from the services purchased with such funds.
Lamont also felt that some of his mind had been audited away and he had to
relearn some things. He has since died and I never asked if that feeling
persisted.
Chip Gallo
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Rev Norle Enturbulata
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SqUiGgLeS
What do you mean by crap? Some of the "legitimate" drugs
on the market are crap, e.g. VIAGRA - which gives you
an erection and leaves you libidinally limp.
Squiggles
Feisty
LaserClam <lase...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Put yer clothspin on for the next course, somatic psychoclam !
>
>
>
SqUiGgLeS
I'm just not in with the in-crowd.
Phineas Fogg
Sure, L. Ron Hubbard.
Phineas Fogg
Desert, 1990. Lamont played a great jazz piano.
Phineas
Chip Gallo <cga...@deleteThisCitlink.net> wrote in message
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barb
It's quite simple, really. People are told that, by practising
Scientology exercises, they can achieve a state of existance where they
regain all their sooper powerzz that humanity has lost/forgotten. This
includes power over MEST, which stands for Mass, Energy, Space and Time.
Now, if a person has power over these items, they are pretty much a
super-being, like Q on Star Trek NG. Would you mess with Q? I don't
think so! Now, you'd think that wielding sooper powerzz would be a skill
like riding a bicycle...not something you'd forget.
Therefore, harrassing an OT who has left the cult could, if OTs exist,
be very dangerous for the PIs and OSA goons assigned to intimidate the
OT, doncha think?
Phil Scott
My experience was that most anyone above dishwasher on the cult staff, thats
after 1975 or so ....held public scns (and any potential of their abilities) in
complete distain...unspoken of course. That always struck me funny, from 1973
forward....
From my experience, there was a sea change in the cult beginning around 1965
that literally obliterated any useful aspects of Elrons approach.
Here is a drill you can do yourself on 'remote influencing'....hahahahaha...
getting a bit spooky isnt it...
Here is the drill, objectively observable....go out walking with a friend in a
public place.
Then ask your friend to take note of anyone ahead of you that is wearing blue,
orange, or yellow, and any that turns around and tries to catch a glance at you,
but it has to be obvious. do this for an hour and chart the results. You
can mix in some other characteristics at random so the real item you are trying
to chart is not known to your friend.
Then without telling your friend, you do the drill again, this time you stare at
the back of the head of various persons in front of you with the intention that
they turn around and look at you. and replot the graph, to see if there is
any change.
After that if you like, tell your friend what you were up to... and both of you
do the drill, this time of course not blind...and notice if or if not a
proponderance of the people you target turn around and look at you.
You might also read Col David Moorehouses book Psychic Warriors on his
experiences along those lines at Fort Benning.
Other issues are covered in a book called the Secret Life of Plants by Tompkins,
1972 or so... he relates NASA experiements with controlling deep space probes
instantaneously by using plants aboard the probes. He lists many simple
experiments anyone can do.
Sorry, thats just how it is.
Now did Hubbard later go totally nutz? it sure looks like it. Did he have
help? maybe. Did he need a lot of help... well maybe not.. he had a loopy
start with Col Snake Thompson and Jack Parsons and the OTO... it was a short
putt to nutz.
Did he have something? Do the experiments mentioned above for yourself, come to
your own conclusions.
Did the US intelligence people infiltrate the cult and scn owned businesses...?
well Major Bruce Rothwell came lying to me that he was retired and wanted to
work for me ( contracting and I was looking at realestate to develop).... he was
later discovered to be with US Army intelligence (an oxy moron... I know).
He spent all of his time grilling me about OT abilities that I didnt have...and
suggesting to me that there were invisible space alien landing bases in the
Hollywierd hills :) which for whatever reason, lack of time probably, I passed
on visiting. The US army you see, well I guess you know as an ex, is also
nuttier than a fruitcake,, and nasty too like Elrong.
Did the cult get a hord or ruthless pricks on board starting in the mid 60's and
beginning to dominate by the mid 70's... a group that drove the scientology
course room at ASHO (in LA) from over 250 students to 20 in six months? Oh
yes.
Were they US Intelligence operatives? damn if I know. but I do know they were
not all helpful and fun like the previous Elron fans...these were some seriously
up tight folks. I mean, white knuckles and all....Skip Herling PMAA at ASHO for
instance and MassivelyLardlyAssedBonnie Elliot PMAA flag for example. I mean
it was day and night and those course rooms got emptied of paying students fast.
A coincidence no doubt.
But it did happen.
and in this time frame the drills and much similar things as mentioned above
fell out of use...and in its place...guess what ...insane sci fi crap... that
produced a wave if grossly insane culties that you see running loose today and
running the place into complete oblivion looking for 'marcabs'... and guess
what, oddly enough becoming a world class intelligence and espionage operation
protected by the US govt.
dang dang dang... ahh wunder how theyat happened.
Thats my take on the mess...from the inside out... and from prior to all this
insanity, through the collapse an utter criminality of the operation.
Now, please note, who do we see in bed with the culties in business...dang ATG
is loaded with current and ex US intelligence people, and for what, some bogus
laundry ball type crap and nuclear waste clean up by Dr Who from china. odd
dont you think.
and guess who we see sitting next to the cults very own slime balls at
negotiation discussions...well we see top washington insider attorneys, Yingling
and short dick Feffer...sitting raigcht next to Mean Gene the Pimp Ingram, and
Elliott the Mafia attorney Ableson, and sandwiched on the other side by the
other top level IRS insider attorneys who founded the CST that controls the cult
totally :)
Man... if that aint a clue for a person then ahhh have a rreeeel good deal on a
bridge for them.
And who do we see buddie buddies with Reedie Boy slatkin, well we see Adnan
Khashoggi, cultie pal the poison gas and US military ...er over run
production... weapons dealer.
See?
Fascinating isn't it.
Phil Scott
So these overly imaginative folks and total nut case Jontooooo h below, while
now paranoid in the extreme, do present an interesting vapor trail.
From: <thet...@icehouse.net>
Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 11:34 AM
Subject: Scientology a National Security Threat?
...You see Bob, unaltered Scientology technology (what Virginia & Mike
McClaughry and myself are interested in) is considered by some to be a NATIONAL
SECURITY THREAT. Some people consider that the making of OTs (what Scientology
is REALLY about), is a NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT to be stopped at all costs.
THAT is what Department of Defense computers have to do with "Clearing
Technology". I believe that the DOD takes a very active interest in things
which are considered to be a NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT. Yes?
From http://www.scientologyintegrity.org/htmldocs/1970/eval_1975.htm
"4 January 1975
The Gerald Ford-appointed Rockefeller Commission is set up. The members
include John T. Connor, C. Douglas Dillon, Erwin N. Griswold, Lane Kirkland,
Lyman Lemnitzer, Ronald Reagan, and Edgar F. Shannon, Jr. The Commission is
supposed to examine the malfeasance of the intelligence agencies and make
recommendations about how they can be reorganized and reformed.
"George Bush: the Unauthorized Biography," a book by Webster G. Tarpley &
Anton Chaitkin, on the web at
<http://www.kmf.org/williams/bushbook/bush11.html>
Important Note:
This Congressional committee's final report reveals numerous PAST scandals
of the CIA--including MK-ULTRA, BLUEBIRD, and other mind-control experiment
programs--but has nothing whatsoever in it about the remote-viewing projects
that are being conducted by the CIA DURING THIS PERIOD. The major personnel
in those projects--Hal Puthoff, Pat Price, and Ingo Swann--are Scientology
OT's, all with "former" intelligence-agency backgrounds.
14 January 1975
At least six CIA reports and memos are written (all classified as SECRET)
from 14 January 1975--05 February 1975 regarding the success of the remote
viewing operations with Scientology OT VII Pat Price.
CIA memo: "AC/SE/DDO; Memorandum for C/D&E;
Subject: Perceptual Augmentation Testing; 14 January 1975 (SECRET)"
Note:
This memorandum is concerning a test of remote viewing set up with Pat Price
at Stanford Research Institute (SRI). Having been given operational data
such as exterior photographs and geographical coordinates, Price has
"visited" two foreign embassies--known to CIA audio teams who had made
entries several years previously.
In both cases, Price has correctly located the coderooms. He has produced
copious data, such as the location of interior doors and colors of marble
stairs and fireplaces that are accurate and specific. The operations officer
involved has concluded, "It is my considered opinion that this
technique--whatever it is--offers definite operational possibilities.
...Important Note:
This entry demonstrates conclusively that in addition to the Scientology OTs
Hal Puthoff, Ingo Swann, and Pat Price, the CIA now has AT LEAST FIVE
in-house remote-viewers, all CIA personnel, in the CIA'S Office of Technical
Services (OTS). All indications from earlier documents lead to the
conclusion that the CIA personnel are being trained (probably using Ingo
Swann's "co-ordinate remote viewing" techniques) by the Scientology
OTs--most likely Ingo Swann, whose whereabouts and activities are
unaccounted for from 15 c. August 1973 until he returns to SRI 15 c. October
1974...
23 c. June c. 1975
In the course of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) proceedings against the
Department of State and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), FCDC learns
that the NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY (NSA) has at least sixteen documents
concerning Scientology, FCDC and related organizations--despite NSA's claims
for months that they had no such
documents. Suddenly, confronted with details extracted by FCDC from the CIA,
the NSA "succeeds" in locating fifteen of those items "in warehouse
storage," and obtains a copy of the sixteenth from CIA. Then NSA takes legal
action to prevent release of the materials ON GROUNDS OF NATIONAL
SECURITY!...
4 December 1975
The Church of Scientology of California files a legal complaint seeking an
injunction against withholding of records in the below named FOIA case.
Church of Scientology v. UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE;
Note:
Part of the reason that has been given by the Department of Defense for
withholding FOIA-requested records from CSC is NATIONAL SECURITY...
The GO was also making FOIA lawsuits against NSA and CIA, which also
threatened disclosure of their infiltration of the church with their agents,
who did the OT levels and then conducted research into Psychic Warfare at
SRI.
Talk about a missed withhold!
Worse yet, they feared Scientology OTs being able to conduct Psychic Warfare
on them, such as psychic spying and psychic influencing. Thus they consider
Scientology a National Security threat.
They had to put a stop to two things:
1. The Guardian's Office
2. The Church making any OTs."
From: http://www.scientologyintegrity.org/htmldocs/1970/eval_1977.htm
"31 January 1977
FCDC files a suit, The Founding Church of Scientology v. Clarence Kelley, et
al., C.A. No. 77-0175 (D.D.C. January 31, 1977), alleging that it, as well
as the class it seeks to represent, has been the subject of a
government-wide conspiracy to destroy a religion.
Defendants include the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the
Attorney General of the United States, the Director of the Central
Intelligence Agency, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Chief of the
National Central Bureau of the International Criminal Police Organization,
the Director of the National Security Agency, the Secretary of the Army, and
the Postmaster General of the Postal Service. The United States is also
named as a defendant...
2 June 1977
The United States District Court for the Central District of California,
Judge Warren J. Ferguson, issues a Summary Judgement for the UNITED STATES
DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY in Church of Scientology of California v. United
States Department of the Army, et al., No. CV-75-3056-F, granting the
Department of the Army the right to withhold documents and portions of
documents pertaining to Scientology and its founder, L. Ron Hubbard.
As in ALL the FOIA cases filed by Scientology organizations at the time, and
decided in favor of government agencies, part of the grounds for withholding
the documents is NATIONAL SECURITY.
2 June 1977
The United States District Court for the Central District of California,
Judge Warren J. Ferguson, issues a Summary Judgement for the UNITED STATES
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE in Church of Scientology [of California CSC)] v.
United States Department of Defense, No. CV-75-4072-F, granting the
Department of Defense and its co-defendants the right to withhold documents
and portions of documents pertaining to Scientology and its founder, L. Ron
Hubbard.
As in ALL the FOIA cases filed by Scientology organizations at the time, and
decided in favor of government agencies, part of the grounds for withholding
the documents is NATIONAL SECURITY."
From http://www.scientologyintegrity.org/htmldocs/1980/eval_1982_part1.htm
"Note:
The GO filed FOIA suits on the various Intelligence agencies - CIA, NSA,
etc.
The US Intelligence community defended the cases on the basis of NATIONAL
SECURITY. Judge Richey ruled in favor of the Intelligence community in each
case, agreeing that the church could not have the files on the grounds of
NATIONAL SECURITY.
When these FOIA cases were filed, Scientology OTs Hal Puthoff, Ingo Swann
and Pat Price are all being AGENTS for the CIA, NSA, etc. practicing and
teaching RemoteViewing, a euphemistic word for PSYCHIC SPYING and PSYCHIC
WARFARE.
Know what the NATIONAL SECURITY issue was?
REMOTE VIEWING AKA PSYCHIC WARFARE
Remember the plant caught by Mike McClaughry - Major Bruce Rothwell?
Rothwell said that Scientology was considered to be a NATIONAL SECURITY
THREAT because of the "remote viewing" research work at SRI. The US
Intelligence community feared that OTs could learn government secrets by
doing "psychic spying" AND that OTs could influence the guidance system on
nuclear weapons with their thought - also proven by experiments at SRI.
So, we have the data that the US Intelligence community considers
Scientology OTs to be a NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT because they figure OTs
could wage psychic warfare on them. So, the Global Enslavers and the US
Intelligence community both have a MOTIVE for preventing any OTs being
made."
Note to Bob Hummels: I hope I have answered your question regarding what DOD
computers have to do with "Clearing Technology".
SqUiGgLeS
>
> SqUiGgLeS wrote:
> >
> > I don't understand any of this; I guess
> > I'm just not in with the in-crowd.
> >
-------------------
> Therefore, harrassing an OT who has left the cult could, if OTs exist,
> be very dangerous for the PIs and OSA goons assigned to intimidate the
> OT, doncha think?
> --
> Barb
> Chaplain, ARSCC
> http://members.cox.net/bwarr1
You're being very obliging Barb; please excuse me --
what is an OT?
Squiggles
barb
Heh, sorry. I figured you'd have picked up some of the basics by now.
OT stands for Operating Thetan. This is what Scientology calls the
people who have paid thousands of dollars for courses that are supposed
to unleash your inner alien (thetan) complete with all privileges and
powerzz regained and intact.
I suppose being called an operating thetan is less offensive than the
term "sucker," which also applies.
SqUiGgLeS
>
> I suppose being called an operating thetan is less offensive than the
> term "sucker," which also applies.
> --
> Barb
> Chaplain, ARSCC
> http://members.cox.net/bwarr1
Oh. Must be a rich sucker, though. Pathetic.
SqUiGgLeS
>
> LRH said, "Misery loves company and that is why we twin in the RPF for
> auditing. The marks are so tired, scared, hungry, and lonesome they
> will do anything to not be assigned to the chain locker and so forth.
> If that isn't enough they also see me Power Tripping and Overboarding
> like a fool so they hope against hope they will someday be in a
> position where they can assign similar fates to those unfortunate
> enough to be in their grasp. BTW, I stole this idea from fraternity
> hazing when I was a senior in nuclear physics at Georgetown and so
> forth."
Impressive :-)
barb
Well, it's more sad than pathetic, really. You know, I've met some swell
people who used to be OTs. I like them a lot. But, there is a sadness
about them, because they now know that all those years were wasted in
pursuit of a con-man's dream. It's not the money they regret as much as
the years they wasted wearing silly fake Navy uniforms and marching in
lock-step to save the planet. However, I think they'd all agree that
they've been taken, ripped off, and wish they'd caught on to the scam
sooner.
SqUiGgLeS
> >
> Well, it's more sad than pathetic, really. You know, I've met some swell
> people who used to be OTs. I like them a lot. But, there is a sadness
> about them, because they now know that all those years were wasted in
> pursuit of a con-man's dream. It's not the money they regret as much as
> the years they wasted wearing silly fake Navy uniforms and marching in
> lock-step to save the planet. However, I think they'd all agree that
> they've been taken, ripped off, and wish they'd caught on to the scam
> sooner.
> --
> Barb
> Chaplain, ARSCC
> http://members.cox.net/bwarr1
Yes, and humiliating. I think I've been in situations
like that. When you wake up, it's as if you find yourself
in a public place with no clothes on, only it's not a dream
but a realization of your past few years in such a place.
Squiggles
Kevin G! Brady
we would practice? I have seen and experienced gains from the tech that
make me think you have no idea at all of what you are talking about. It is
about being free from your own restrictions, and allowing yourself to live
your dreams, and to have a more causative role in the content of your
dreams. And about restoring your drive to attain those dreams. As a being
comes uptone, it's goals may alter in the direction of creativity and
validation of other life forms- this is not the direction of the Church of
Scientology. 'Nuff said.
The White Ranger of Marcab
Keeper of the Threads
OMITTED AGENT 013
kgb/Kevin G. Brady/rockslam/journeyman
tabula_...@hotmail.com
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Kevin G! Brady
man! Dammit! Hip Hip Hooray, motherfucker!
--
The White Ranger of Marcab
Keeper of the Threads
OMITTED AGENT 013
kgb/Kevin G. Brady/rockslam/journeyman
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"Phineas Fogg" <noc...@idontthinkso.net> wrote in message
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Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>Look here, tinkerbell, if we didn't really, really
>believe, why do you think we would practice?
Few Scientologists actually believe the shit that their leaders sell
them, though. They make excuses to themselves as to why there are no
OTs and no magical powers and why their leaders are all criminals.
The remaining cultists stick with it either because they're rooking
newbies for a quick buck before the newbies twigg, else they honestly
think that all the lies and deceptions and frauds are countered by
the vague notion that the crime syndicate is some how helping to save
humanity at the same time.
Cognitive dissonance causes much of Scientology's suicides.
-- Insane nut rant at http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice
"Commodore Rimjob" is available at http://crimjob.tripod.com
Why did the Scientologist cross the road? - mimus
To slug Bob Minton. - Shydavid (See http://www.BobMinton.ORG/
"Hey Ratfink Asshole Arnie..." -- boobook...@webtv.net (Tigger)
Kevin G! Brady
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> Xenu allowed "Kevin G! Brady" <tabula_...@hotmail.com> to write:
>
> >Look here, tinkerbell, if we didn't really, really
> >believe, why do you think we would practice?
>
> Few Scientologists actually believe the shit that their leaders sell
> them, though.
It is totally irrelevant what they believe! What is relevant is whether or
not they get auditing and trained to the point where they can solo. That is
the religion. Not beliefs about friendly neighboring Galactic Overlords.
That's why the bulk of the materials in scientology are about how the mind
works, and methods of controlling it, fine tuning it, rather than being at
the mercy of it every time the environment causes it to crash.
> They make excuses to themselves as to why there are no
> OTs and no magical powers and why their leaders are all criminals.
I don't know that there are not any OTs. I don't know any who have
demonstrated any "powerz", but the measure of an OT is not is "powerz", it
is the degree that he determines the activity in his environment, which can
be seen by how closely his products align with his stated intentions. Is
what he says he wants to do what he does? Is the result of his activity
what he estimated it would be? Does it result in the actualization of his
intent?
Of course, he cannot totally control the universe we are sharing, because
we are exerting control of it as well, whether we are aware of it, or not.
It is HIS universe he has total control over- his postulates, the identity
he wears, the activities he engages in. Controlling the universe beyond the
boundary of his own mind is the game, and can only be done to the degree
that one does not encounter counter-intention of a magnitude great enough to
create problems. The trick is, you aren't the only one capable of
intending.
What happens when an infinitely powerful force collides with an infinite
number of infinitely powerful forces?
> The remaining cultists stick with it either because they're rooking
> newbies for a quick buck before the newbies twigg, else they honestly
> think that all the lies and deceptions and frauds are countered by
> the vague notion that the crime syndicate is some how helping to save
> humanity at the same time.
>
> Cognitive dissonance causes much of Scientology's suicides.
The organization is composed of people, chief, and does not exist in a
vacuum. Scientologists are not the only "players" in the game, they are
just the new kids on the block. There's a lot of existing interests in the
world that may have decided to head the fledgling scio orgs off at the pass,
prior to them coming into their own. However, controlling those orgs does
not control people of a free mind, nor does it stop them from using their
understanding to really keep scientology working.
kgb
Michael Reuss
> So you couldn't sneak up on
> them. And, once these people had acquired these powerzz, revoking their
> paper wouldn't have any effect on them.
Wrong. This little gotcha is covered under the axiom "if it's not
written, it's not true."
The revocation of certificates ritualistically "unwrites" that which had
been previously written. And once it's unwritten, it's no longer true.
Poof! Your OwE tEe SoopeR pOWeRZ vanish.
Conveniently for the cult, however, the freeloader debt still exists...
> Seems to me that, if the
> Scientology Organization really believed in the crap they're selling,
> they'd stay as far away as possible from OT ex-members. It looks like
> even the organization itself doesn't take this shit very seriously.
I think this is basically true. But it's kind of like observing bawling
sad "Christians" at a funeral, sad because the deceased is gone. If one
really believed in a life-after death, and that their loved-one is now
in Heaven, wouldn't one be happy at their death? Wouldn't Christian
funerals be events where lots of happy people did back flips?
But I begin to digress.
The pre-brainwashed memory of what shit smells like is still there
inside the minds of Scientologists. They're just suppressing it.
We need to let them all know that it's just fine if they smell shit
(especially the shit that's being flung from above, by their cult
"seniors") and say "hey, this isn't rose petals, it's shit!"
Michael Reuss
Honorary Kid
barb
>
> Look here, tinkerbell, if we didn't really, really believe, why do you think
> we would practice? I have seen and experienced gains from the tech that
> make me think you have no idea at all of what you are talking about. It is
> about being free from your own restrictions, and allowing yourself to live
> your dreams, and to have a more causative role in the content of your
> dreams. And about restoring your drive to attain those dreams. As a being
> comes uptone, it's goals may alter in the direction of creativity and
> validation of other life forms- this is not the direction of the Church of
> Scientology. 'Nuff said.
>
> The White Ranger of Marcab
> Keeper of the Threads
> OMITTED AGENT 013
> kgb/Kevin G. Brady/rockslam/journeyman
> tabula_...@hotmail.com
"Tinkerbell?"
While it's quite obvious that some people think there is some benefit in
parts of "the tech," most of them seem able to separate the beneficial
from the ludicrous.
Few would argue the fact that sometimes, merely talking things over with
an attentive partner can be helpful. Many would challenge the more
absurd claims Hubbard made. The state of Clear, for one. OT Powerzz<tm>
for another. There is simply no proof that a plain old hominid
monkey-man can achieve power over MEST, or even remember what color tie
Ron was wearing. Ron had all his supposed Clears throw away their
glasses into a basket. 10 minutes later, the poor schmucks were all down
there groping for their eyewear. If OT powers existed
1. Heber wouldn't be wearing glasses
2. Kirstie Alley wouldn't be a fat, whiney loser
3. Tom Cruise wouldn't be wearing invisible braces
4. John Travolta wouldn't need all those airplanes to fly
5. Greta von Sustern wouldn't have had to go under the knife to fix her
droopy lids.
How much proof do you need?
SqUiGgLeS
...............
>
> > Seems to me that, if the
> > Scientology Organization really believed in the crap they're selling,
> > they'd stay as far away as possible from OT ex-members. It looks like
> > even the organization itself doesn't take this shit very seriously.
>
> I think this is basically true. But it's kind of like observing bawling
> sad "Christians" at a funeral, sad because the deceased is gone. If one
> really believed in a life-after death, and that their loved-one is now
> in Heaven, wouldn't one be happy at their death? Wouldn't Christian
> funerals be events where lots of happy people did back flips?
>
> But I begin to digress.
>
> The pre-brainwashed memory of what shit smells like is still there
> inside the minds of Scientologists. They're just suppressing it.
>
> We need to let them all know that it's just fine if they smell shit
> (especially the shit that's being flung from above, by their cult
> "seniors") and say "hey, this isn't rose petals, it's shit!"
>
> Michael Reuss
> Honorary Kid
Hee - you're funny; well about belief and faith and all that,
I suggest you read William James on it. Ron Hubbard or anyone
who "invents" a religion, must have some insight into human
nature though. I have never met anyone who is in a state of
"faith" or "adoration" or "belief" or "ecstacy" or any of those
devotional attachments to a religious figure, for a very long
time. Most religious people I know just go to Church on Sundays,
or get together for charity events, or just get together for
social interaction on designated religious holidays. In that
sense all religions are cults, and their true meaning rests in
social cohesion, not the surrender of the self to a greater
entitity in the unviverse. And that's probably why so many
wars are based on religious differences too.
The difference between new religions and old ones, is
cultural and historical establishment. Hubbard probably thought
it was ripe time for a new one - no matter what the deities,
if people are ready Xenu would do. He was wrong of course.
Squiggles
Zorrosblade.........Z
That's an incorrect assumption as *what* and *who* is considered OT to
scientologists, by *what* OT comprises as an 'operating condition'
through LRH outline, not just the final PowerzzZ of OT believed to spring
forth from that worked into 'condition'. To scientologists, OT is a state
given meaning through scientology parameters of what OT is, not being a
*stand-alone* power outside of LRH meaning, which NEVER counters
scientology as a prerequisite to being called 'OT'. If you break the scn
mold of what's considered OT behavior, such as becoming an
ex-scientologist who may have at one time done the OT levels, your no
longer considered 'OT', just a former false attestation claiming to have
been one, as your countering scientology by being an ex-scientologist.
Basically, ANY countering of scientology by an ex-scientologist equates
to NOT ever having been an OT even if having done the OT levels, period.
It comes down to; "if you've ever done the OT levels AND are one of us as
to what we expect of an OT, (agree), your considered OT vis-a-vis
expected behavior. If you've ever done the OT levels and are now an
ex-scientologist (disagree), your a 'fake' false attestation who's
*out-ethics* pts at best and never was OT". It's that idiotic an
evaluation for comparisons to their way of thinking.
OT powerzz as a pretense to exist through the OT levels conforms to ALL
of scientology for meaning: a mental construct by way of a three way
scientology juncture 'box' for singular compliance;; (1.ETHICS 2.TECH AND
3. ADMIN/JUSTICE), where all three converge towards a central command
center for expected 'compliance' in thinking and behavior, not trying to
appear as such through 'personal cognition' dressing. That three way
triangulation of reinforced milieu induction is designed for each one
point to reinforce the other two at any given time, for an over-all three
way reinforcing construct-loop pretending spiritual 'freedoms' if only
'duplicating' each of those three points correctly. OT PowerZzZ pretends
to be only possible if one 'allows' themselves to go through this
triangulated process of *ethics/tech and admin* induction first, to then
get onto the OT levels *when invited*.
Any *ex-scientologist* is equated as *anti-scientology* to programmed
scientologists, unless the ex is thought to be 'salvageable', meaning,
reprogrammable into ethics/tech and admin triangulated thought reform.
For those ex's considered unsalvageable towards this end, their
considered *anti-scientology* to the extreme, and not even near OT, even
if they were given at one time an OT 8 certificate of completion. So of
course scientologists wouldn't be afraid of ex-OT-scientologists with OT
PoWerZzZz. Hell, to them, ex-scientology-OT's never were OT in the first
place, and they were RIGHT! Their just leaving themselves out of the
equation for duped convenience to keep the oT RoDeo ShoW rolling along.
YEEE HAAA, bring up the curtain!!!!!
Z-blade
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roger gonnet
"barb" <bwa...@cox.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
3CE1287F...@cox.net...
> You'd think that, if Scientologists really believed in the OT crap, they
> would be very careful about harrassing ex-members of the OT level.
Guess what? They are careful. They fear the SPsOTs (wdne as both).
roger gonnet
"LaserClam" <lase...@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
20020514120327...@mb-mm.aol.com...
yes, scientology says that more than 500 groups of ex-scienos selling
scientology are selling crap.
LC, you'd be better formed to listen and read what you have to, and be more
intellligent (auditing should have helped!!) when answering. More than 500
groups of ex-scios are selling the scn's crap!!
roger
>
>
>
roger gonnet
"Chip Gallo" <cga...@deleteThisCitlink.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
ue2e1os...@corp.supernews.com...
> Lamont Johnson (one of the first NOTS comps) told us that if he was "out
> ethics," his powerz would be seriously diminished. He also said that if
the
> $$ put on his account at Flag was obtained illegally, he would not get
gains
> from the services purchased with such funds.
>
> Lamont also felt that some of his mind had been audited away and he had to
> relearn some things. He has since died and I never asked if that feeling
> persisted.
Here is the main proof: see that short image:
http://home.worldnet./fr/gonnet/head.htm
which says:
SAY BYE BYE TO THE INSIDE OF YOUR HEAD
roger
SqUiGgLeS
>
> >The difference between new religions and old ones, is
> >cultural and historical establishment. Hubbard probably thought
> >it was ripe time for a new one - no matter what the deities,
> >if people are ready Xenu would do.
>
> >He was wrong of course.
>
> shod over his followers dying with an estate worth at least
> $400,000,000 and probably much more.
> Sure, he died as the scum bag incarnate but, that too was exactly what
> he wanted to be.
You guys are more informed about the extent of the influence
and power of this organization. As the common man on the street,
I don't really hear *that* much about the Church of Scientology;
certainly not television, the barometer of public knowledge, does
not talk about it or make fun of it or have sit coms, or soaps;
granted there have been a couple of Hollywood movies with oblique
reference.
> The United States Navy would not bow down to him and in fact made
> light of him so he made his own navy and ruled it with an iron fist.
> He envied all those who could do in this world so he created his own
> galaxies and planets where he was the champion race car driver, the
> brilliant musician, or the dashing explorer.
> His failures in aviation, (he never made it past glider pilot 2nd
> class) made him hate that vocation so much he had his own son killed
> rather than allow him a chance to outstrip the old man and actually
> become a pilot.
He sounds like a villain from a James Bond flick - I will have
to read the numerous sites you guys have written - have already
checked out Tillman's and Bird's, there are many. Does sound
like a kook, no doubt about it; but is this passed on to present
generations of Hubbarites?
Oh yes, I wanted to ask if you think the Illuminati are competitive -
now there's a *cult*.
Zinj
says...
Neither can hold a candle to Trystero, but hey, Scientology has the
advantage of being fictional only in its tech and abuses, not its
existence.
Zinj
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