Dale Carnegie and Scientology any direct relationship?
Mathias Sabbagh
so i want to ask if someone knows about a connection between Dale Carnegie
and Scientology.
Cheers,
Mathias
ptsc
<mathias...@t-online.de> wrote:
>Somebody gave me a book from the author named above. I am a bit suspicious
>so i want to ask if someone knows about a connection between Dale Carnegie
>and Scientology.
Not remotely, except that Hubbard may have stolen some stuff from Dale Carnegie.
It's strange you even mention that name in connection with a completely insane
and criminal cult. This is about the only time I can think of Dale Carnegie as
having been mentioned in connection with the criminally convicted cult of
Scientology:
'THE LOTTICKS LOST THEIR SON, Noah, who
jumped from a Manhattan hotel clutching $171,
virtually the only money he had not yet
turned over to Scientology. His parents
blame the church and would like to sue but
are frightened by the organization's
reputation for ruthlessness.
'His death inspired his father Edward, a
physician, to start his own investigation of
the church. 'We thought Scientology was
something like Dale Carnegie," Lottick says.
"I now believe it is a school for pychopaths.
Their so-called therapies are manipulations.
They take the best and brightest people and
destroy them."'
'It was too late. "From Noah's friends
at Dianetics" read the card that accompanied
a bouquet of flowers at Lottick's funeral.
Yet, no Scientology staff member bothered to
show up.'"
(The crime cult of Scientology sued for libel for these paragraphs. They lost
on these paragraphs and every other "libel" they sued over.)
From the Time magazine article
"Scientology: The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power"
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishman/time-behar.html
Feisty
Mathias Sabbagh <mathias...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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> Somebody gave me a book from the author named above. I am a bit suspicious
> so i want to ask if someone knows about a connection between Dale Carnegie
> and Scientology.
If there's a sales method in the book about "making someone feel inadequate,"
(or something like that) in order to make a person feel like they really need
what's being sold, then that is probably a similarity of many a writing by Hubbard.
Creating the "need" for people to stay in $cientology is constant m.o.
at every level.
The reward for "buying into" all of the courses, positions and titles are "wins,"
which are derived from good statistics, (money or more people recruited).
Wins themself are used for more reinforcement of members loyalty and often
published in the internal magazines or publications. Mostly, the people listed
are for what courses they have completed (that's money in), what position they may hold,
(reinforcing a sense of importance for the cause) and ultimately for showing others how
much money they have given for the $cientology "cause."
Please feel free to share passages or statements from that book if you think they are
relevant.
Feisty
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mathias
>
>
michael pattinson
*************
To my knowledge, no connection
Hubbard criticized Carnegie as inefficient.
M.
********************
Zinj
kare...@aol.com says...
Certainly 'How to win friends and influence people', like many other
things stood godfather to Scientology. Hubbard was an equal opportunity
plagiarizer.
There's a nice site on HTWFAIP at:
http://www.westegg.com/unmaintained/carnegie/win-friends.html
Zinj
John C. Randolph
Feisty wrote:
>
> Mathias Sabbagh <mathias...@t-online.de> wrote in message
> news:a0co85$v4b$01$1...@news.t-online.com...
> > Somebody gave me a book from the author named above. I am a bit suspicious
> > so i want to ask if someone knows about a connection between Dale Carnegie
> > and Scientology.
>
> If there's a sales method in the book about "making someone feel inadequate,"
> (or something like that) in order to make a person feel like they really need
> what's being sold, then that is probably a similarity of many a writing by Hubbard.
Dale Carnegie never stooped to that kind of vicious manipulation. His
classic book, "How to Win Friends and Influence People" is all about
empathazing with the other person.
-cjr
Feisty
John C. Randolph <j...@idiom.com> wrote in message news:3C2AD72D...@idiom.com...
Oh yeah, now I remember. The book that tells you to always remember
someones name. That was probably o.k.
I must have been thinking of some other individual who's aim was to
be to the "overly critical" point so that someone really needed whatever
you needed them to have.
Feisty
>
> -cjr