Xenu or Xemu? (free GIF!)
Dave Touretzky
As far as I can tell, the name "Xenu" (or "Xemu") appears only once in
Scientology's sacred scriptures: on the first page of OT III. It does not
appear anywhere else in the OT documents included in the Fishman
Declaration, or in the Vorlon edition of the FLAG NOTs Pack. The OT III
story is also referenced in RJ67 (Ron's Journal 67, a tape recording), but
Xe_u is not mentioned by name.
The data section of OT III is a handwritten document, and there is some
ambiguity about whether the third letter in Xe_u is an "n" or an "m". To
my eyes it looks like an "n", and we have seen many occurrences of "Xenu"
in print, such as Margery Wakefield's book "The Road to Xenu".
But Warren McShane, president of Religious Technology Center, whose job it
is to safeguard the secret scriptures, said "Xemu" when questioned about OT
III in the FACTNet trial. (Religious Technology Center v. F.A.C.T.Net,
Inc, et al., US District Court for the District of Colorado, civil action
no. 95-B-2143, proceedings before the Honorable John L. Kane on September
11, 1995.)
Robert Vaughn Young, who also testified that day, also said "Xemu",
according to the court transcript.
The only other place where I know Xe_u appears in print is the screenplay
for Revolt in the Stars, but I haven't found a copy of that yet. Robert
Vaughn Young says, in the FACTNet transcript, that the screenplay gives the
full name as something like "Xemu Etrawl".
So which is it: Xemu or Xenu? Here's a chance to judge for yourself. At
the conclusion of this message is a uuencoded GIF of the actual word
Hubbard scrawled in the sacred OT III document. Post your votes to ARS.
LEGAL DISCLAIMERS:
1. OT III is copyright by the Religious Technology Center. These pixels
are reproduced under the "fair use" provision of the US Copyright Code.
2. The name "Xenu" (or "Xemu") is not a trade secret, according to RTC's
president, Warren McShane.
3. Dennis who?
Okay, here goes...
begin 644 xenu.gif
<uuencoded_portion_removed>
LL*P-;T+)OQ$[9J:X%4<2U[P9H[%QPAT7PG'(Z(%,\LDHIZSRRBRW/$,"`#NR
`
end
Please forgive my posting this binary to a.r.s. Be sure to post your votes
on the Xenu/Xemu controversy so we can settle this issue.
-- Dave Touretzky, KoX (SP4++++): fearless NOTs Scholar extraordinaire.
Neal Hamel
On 16 Jan 1997 04:00:10 GMT, ds...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:
>So which is it: Xemu or Xenu? Here's a chance to judge for yourself. At
>the conclusion of this message is a uuencoded GIF of the actual word
>Hubbard scrawled in the sacred OT III document. Post your votes to ARS.
>
Well, Mr. Touretzky, you truly have done a service by letting us see
an actual scrawl from Lumpy Ron.
However, I vote 1/2 vote for Xemu and 1/2 vote for Xenu.
We musn't forget Lumpy Ron's actual words found in a Real Audio file
posted sometime ago by the legendary Grady Ward. On that tape Lumpy
Ron clearly says, "... Xenu, could be Xemu". My guess is there are
regional differences in pronunciation. (Since Lumpy Ron was talking
about an event that occurred "in this sector of the galaxy", we
talking about one hell of a region!)
-Neal H.
James Wood
On 16 Jan 1997 04:00:10 GMT, ds...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:
>So which is it: Xemu or Xenu? Here's a chance to judge for yourself. At
>the conclusion of this message is a uuencoded GIF of the actual word
>Hubbard scrawled in the sacred OT III document. Post your votes to ARS.
>
I vote for Xenu. It seems to me that, as it is written in script, for
it to be an "m" it would need one more upstroke. Xenu, I'm sure. Who
knows why McShane would want to mislead people though. Oh. He's a
Scientologist. Sorry. Now it makes sense.
>LEGAL DISCLAIMERS:
>
>1. OT III is copyright by the Religious Technology Center. These pixels
>are reproduced under the "fair use" provision of the US Copyright Code.
>2. The name "Xenu" (or "Xemu") is not a trade secret, according to RTC's
>president, Warren McShane.
>3. Dennis who?
>
heh.
ted
ds...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:
>As far as I can tell, the name "Xenu" (or "Xemu") appears only once in
>Scientology's sacred scriptures: on the first page of OT III. It does not
>appear anywhere else in the OT documents included in the Fishman
>Declaration, or in the Vorlon edition of the FLAG NOTs Pack. The OT III
>story is also referenced in RJ67 (Ron's Journal 67, a tape recording), but
>Xe_u is not mentioned by name.
... snipped for brevity ...
>So which is it: Xemu or Xenu? Here's a chance to judge for yourself. At
>the conclusion of this message is a uuencoded GIF of the actual word
>Hubbard scrawled in the sacred OT III document. Post your votes to ARS.
>
>LEGAL DISCLAIMERS:
>
>1. OT III is copyright by the Religious Technology Center. These pixels
>are reproduced under the "fair use" provision of the US Copyright Code.
>2. The name "Xenu" (or "Xemu") is not a trade secret, according to RTC's
>president, Warren McShane.
>3. Dennis who?
>
>Okay, here goes...
>
How 'bout that Agent99 stops quoting when it hits a binary
section?
I don't see a problem posting a binary to ARS, just this
once. I've been waiting for a bunch of Grady's .pdf files
to show up in ABS, but only the announcements propogate this
far.
My vote? "XENU", of course. "Xemu" sounds like some loud
fashion accessory to a polynesian dress.
Ted.
Ex Mudder
ds...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:
That, at least, in an "n"
Ex Mudder: http://www.best.com/~dkeith
If your mail to me bounces, its probably because Xenu was in it
"In the marketplace of ideas that is the Internet, a lawsuit
is generally considered the last refuge of the incompetent"
Hud Nordin
In article <32de1cd1.700884@news> aa...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (James Wood) writes:
>I vote for Xenu. It seems to me that, as it is written in script, for
>it to be an "m" it would need one more upstroke. Xenu, I'm sure.
I concur. If I granted that the two-hump squiggle yielded the "m" of
"Xemu," I could not imagine how Hubbard would have written "Xenu" --
with a single hump?
There's never a good graphologist around when you need one. What do his
other em's and en's look like?
>Who knows why McShane would want to mislead people though.
Whoever happens to be using the Kobrin account can't seem to transmit
the word "Xenu" as anything but "XXXX." Could "Xemu" be McShane's way
of orally avoiding "Xenu"?
Has the Kobrin-committee ever X'd-out "Xemu"? Would she orally avoid Xenu?
If her job demanded it, would she do him with a single hump? Or two? More?
--
Hud Nordin <h...@netcom.com> Silicon Valley / The City of Sunnyvale / California
Emerald
Dave Touretzky <ds...@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:
> As far as I can tell, the name "Xenu" (or "Xemu") appears only once in
> Scientology's sacred scriptures: on the first page of OT III. It does not
> appear anywhere else in the OT documents included in the Fishman
> Declaration, or in the Vorlon edition of the FLAG NOTs Pack. The OT III
> story is also referenced in RJ67 (Ron's Journal 67, a tape recording), but
> Xe_u is not mentioned by name.
> The data section of OT III is a handwritten document, and there is some
> ambiguity about whether the third letter in Xe_u is an "n" or an "m". To
> my eyes it looks like an "n", and we have seen many occurrences of "Xenu"
> in print, such as Margery Wakefield's book "The Road to Xenu".
> But Warren McShane, president of Religious Technology Center, whose job it
> is to safeguard the secret scriptures, said "Xemu" when questioned about OT
> III in the FACTNet trial. (Religious Technology Center v. F.A.C.T.Net,
> Inc, et al., US District Court for the District of Colorado, civil action
> no. 95-B-2143, proceedings before the Honorable John L. Kane on September
> 11, 1995.)
> Robert Vaughn Young, who also testified that day, also said "Xemu",
> according to the court transcript.
> The only other place where I know Xe_u appears in print is the screenplay
> for Revolt in the Stars, but I haven't found a copy of that yet. Robert
> Vaughn Young says, in the FACTNet transcript, that the screenplay gives the
> full name as something like "Xemu Etrawl".
You've overlooked one other mention of Xenu/Xemu.
In the Class VIII Course, Lecture #10, "Assists", Hubbard says:
[...] they had elected a fellow by the name of Xenu, could be
spelled Xemu, to the supreme 'rulah' and they were about to
unelect him. And he took the last moments he had in office to
really 'goof the floof'.
I haven't heard the tape & can't say whether this is an accurate
transcript. But I believe this is one of the documents Dennis Erlich
is being sued over, which would suggest that Co$ accepts it as
authentic.
> So which is it: Xemu or Xenu? Here's a chance to judge for yourself. At
> the conclusion of this message is a uuencoded GIF of the actual word
> Hubbard scrawled in the sacred OT III document. Post your votes to ARS.
Xenu rules!
--
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Charles Pflanze
com>
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
In a previous article, smok...@ix.netcom.com (Neal Hamel) says:
>On 16 Jan 1997 04:00:10 GMT, ds...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:
>>the conclusion of this message is a uuencoded GIF of the actual word
>>Hubbard scrawled in the sacred OT III document. Post your votes to ARS.
That's a good way to vocally demonstrate the presence of bullshit.
Oregon Ghost
In article <5bk94a$q...@casaba.srv.cs.cmu.edu>, ds...@cs.cmu.edu says...
>
>But Warren McShane, president of Religious Technology Center, whose job it
>is to safeguard the secret scriptures, said "Xemu" when questioned about OT
>III in the FACTNet trial. (Religious Technology Center v. F.A.C.T.Net,
>Inc, et al., US District Court for the District of Colorado, civil action
>no. 95-B-2143, proceedings before the Honorable John L. Kane on September
>11, 1995.)
>
>Robert Vaughn Young, who also testified that day, also said "Xemu",
>according to the court transcript.
>
How about this... It could be Xenu is the real name. But CO$ memebers are
forbidden from speaking it. Like the name for God in the jewish faith can
not be openly mentioned.. So the CO$ made xeMu.. you can say it all you want
XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU
XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU
XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU
XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU
XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU
XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU
XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU
I'll stick to the original myself :)
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James Wood
On Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:24:20 GMT, h...@netcom.com (Hud Nordin) wrote:
>Whoever happens to be using the Kobrin account can't seem to transmit
>the word "Xenu" as anything but "XXXX." Could "Xemu" be McShane's way
>of orally avoiding "Xenu"?
I was wondering that in IRC the other night. Someone (I don't log
anything) perhaps Dave Touretzky, commented that no one had ever used
Xemu, to their knowledge, so no one had ever had the opportunity to
see if HKK would censor it. I was also wondering if it was a way of
orally avoiding Xenu. XXXX will cut it in text, but it falls somewhat
short in conversation...
James
Martin Hunt
In article <5bk94a$q...@casaba.srv.cs.cmu.edu>,
ds...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:
}
}So which is it: Xemu or Xenu? Here's a chance to judge for yourself. At
}the conclusion of this message is a uuencoded GIF of the actual word
}Hubbard scrawled in the sacred OT III document. Post your votes to ARS.
Xenu with an N. It's more euphonic, anyway. :-)
Seriously, if you want to acertain the fact, you have to run ten
gifs by us with other examples of the en/em sequence starting a
word or after a stop like a Z of X (without connectors).
Still, it looks like an n to me.
--
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mysterious death of Lisa McPherson in Clearwater, FLA.
Anti-Cult
On 16 Jan 1997 04:00:10 GMT.
ds...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky).
From: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon.
Wrote on the subject: Xenu or Xemu? (free GIF!):
>So which is it: Xemu or Xenu? Here's a chance to judge for yourself. At
>the conclusion of this message is a uuencoded GIF of the actual word
>Hubbard scrawled in the sacred OT III document. Post your votes to ARS.
Without doubt, it's Xenu. I vote for Xenu.
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The only place where LRH actually speaks the name is on a Class 8 tape
called "Assists". It is quite unmistakeably pronounced "Xemu".
James Wood
>>
>The only place where LRH actually speaks the name is on a Class 8 tape
>called "Assists". It is quite unmistakeably pronounced "Xemu".
>
Which makes me curious then as to why the word "Xenu" is censored out
by HKK in documents that have been posted on ars. I wonder if "Xemu"
would cause the same response.
James
starshadow
h...@netcom.com (Hud Nordin) wrote:
>Has the Kobrin-committee ever X'd-out "Xemu"? Would she orally avoid Xenu?
>If her job demanded it, would she do him with a single hump? Or two? More?
>--
>Hud Nordin <h...@netcom.com> Silicon Valley / The City of Sunnyvale / California
ROTFLFOMCASTC!
I have all kinds of graphic mental pictures after reading this....
I vote for Xenu....
Bright Blessings,
Starshadow star...@aa.net
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Perry Scott
Dave Touretzky (ds...@cs.cmu.edu) wrote:
: So which is it: Xemu or Xenu? Here's a chance to judge for yourself. At
: the conclusion of this message is a uuencoded GIF of the actual word
: Hubbard scrawled in the sacred OT III document. Post your votes to ARS.
I looked at the rest of the handwritten OT3 on the Scholar's Page.
"Xenu" without a doubt.
Perry Scott
Co$ Escapee
Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine
In article <32df7a7d.3512978@news>, James Wood
<aa...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> writes
>On Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:24:20 GMT, h...@netcom.com (Hud Nordin) wrote:
>
>>Whoever happens to be using the Kobrin account can't seem to transmit
>>the word "Xenu" as anything but "XXXX." Could "Xemu" be McShane's way
>>of orally avoiding "Xenu"?
>
>
>I was wondering that in IRC the other night. Someone (I don't log
>anything) perhaps Dave Touretzky, commented that no one had ever used
>Xemu, to their knowledge, so no one had ever had the opportunity to
>see if HKK would censor it.
On the contrary, my accountname has been "Xemu" since autumn 95.
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On 16 Jan 1997 04:00:10 GMT, ds...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:
(snip)
>So which is it: Xemu or Xenu? Here's a chance to judge for yourself. At
>the conclusion of this message is a uuencoded GIF of the actual word
>Hubbard scrawled in the sacred OT III document. Post your votes to ARS.
>
(snip)
I think it is pretty clearly Xenu.
I'd be more confident if I saw other handwriting samples known to be
his, which I guess would rule out the signature on the copyright
transfer document :-)
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xemu
Rasta Robert
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from ds...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky)
in alt.religion.scientology:
Been looking at some more examples of Hubbard's handwiting on the w3
and this certainly looks like a 'n'.
RR --//->
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If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell!
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/LRH-bio/lrhpaper.htm
Valsview
The original OT 3 was in LRHs handwriting. In those days everyone was
familiar with his writing, and we all read it and pronounced it Xemu. He
wrote his M's upside down, but if you examine them and theN's you will see
the difference. Later in the seventies less people saw him around or got
handwritten notes, so familiarity with his writing deteriorated and people
were reading the xeroxed OT3 instructions as Xenu. This escalated until
the media were using it too. Listen to Class 8 tape 10.