Friendly Xenu, a couple things
t_shuffle
Second, the constant 'script kiddy' thing is quite insulting to some of our
new guests, and it's not entirely accurate, either.
Rekov
I would like to second this. Anon, as the second video correctly
explains, is a nebulous group, with people drifting in and out of
active membership. It is effectively a many armed monster, with each
arm blind to the actions of its other arms. i think that the second
video will do a lot to strengthen their image if it gets the same
publicity as the first one.
Quaoar
Umm, there are no links to support anything you wrote. Do you not know
how to embed an URL into your message?
Q
Zinj
thorazin...@gmail.com says...
> First of all, take a breath.
>
> Second, the constant 'script kiddy' thing is quite insulting to some of our
> new guests, and it's not entirely accurate, either.
The ones to whom it does not apply are those least likely to be insulted
:)
Zinj
--
Scientology may be the first 'religion' best comprehended by forensic
accountants.
John Dorsay
The DDOS is/was being carried out with programs such as "scidbomb"
and "longcat flooder".
If the script kiddies don't like being referred to as "script
kiddies", maybe they should stop acting like scrpt kiddies and shut
down their script kiddy software. Just a thought.
John
Friendly Xenu
> First of all, take a breath.
<laugh>
> Second, the constant 'script kiddy' thing is quite insulting to
> some of our new guests, and it's not entirely accurate, either.
Naw, there aren't any actual hackers among the Anonymous -- I
mean _think_ about what they're doing. Real hackers don't do that.
---
"Don't break your back scrubbing floors. Get yourself a nigger, that's
what they were born for." -- L. Ron Hubbard, in a letter to his 2nd wife
t_shuffle
"John Dorsay" <restim...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:479d5cb5$1...@news2.lightlink.com
I'm just saying that there is more to this than just the kids with the
scripts trying to knock down meaningless websites.
Some of them have obviously been spending some time reading and learning
from those that came before.
Ca1v...@gmail.com
There are actual hackers in the ranks there, I've seen some of the
work done. Some of these documents were taken and distributed off of
secure servers. I started with doing this "for the lulz", but now I
see that $cifaggotolgy is a really terrible cult that needs to be
brought down. The think about Anon is, they have the numbers
worldwide. I give credit to teh bearded one, he may not support our
methods, but he has been there in the trenches for a long time. That
is the beautiful thing about human beings. We can disseminate
knowledge to our future generations, something that no other animal on
earth can do. The DDoS attacks are just an attention getter, now, Anon
is becoming more organized, there is a 'irl raid' or protest, for Feb.
10th, the anniversary of the death of Lisa McPherson. These will be
worldwide protests. Handing out literature, carrying signs and
posters, educating the general public on this cult.
Although I do not take offense to being called a 'script kiddie' I do
take offense to the fact that some see us as uneducated dolts that
have no real interest and will slowly fade away. Now that I have seen
the evils of Scifaggotology, I will not lose interest. This is an evil
that needs to be purged.
Alert
> On Jan 27, 11:15 pm, fr...@skeptictank.org (Friendly Xenu) wrote:
>
> > "t_shuffle" <thorazineshuf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > First of all, take a breath.
>
> > <laugh>
>
> > > Second, the constant 'script kiddy' thing is quite insulting to
> > > some of our new guests, and it's not entirely accurate, either.
>
> > Naw, there aren't any actual hackers among the Anonymous -- I
> > mean _think_ about what they're doing. Real hackers don't do that.
>
> > ---
> > "Don't break your back scrubbing floors. Get yourself a nigger, that's
> > what they were born for." -- L. Ron Hubbard, in a letter to his 2nd wife
> There are actual hackers in the ranks there, I've seen some of the
> work done. Some of these documents were taken and distributed off of
> secure servers.
Like Torrents servers?
None of those documents "taken and disributed" documents werent
already in cyberspace.
> I started with doing this "for the lulz", but now I
> see that $cifaggotolgy is a really terrible cult
Still scratching at the surface are you
> that needs to be brought down.
Needs to be totally exposed all the way to governmental level. The
cult doesnt operate without its "friends" in all the right places.
> The think about Anon is, they have the numbers
> worldwide. I give credit to teh bearded one, he may not support our
> methods, but he has been there in the trenches for a long time. That
> is the beautiful thing about human beings. We can disseminate
> knowledge to our future generations, something that no other animal on
> earth can do.
If the cult isnt fought on every front, it *will* continue. There is
media in australia that IS NOT manipulated by scientology like Channel
9 is.
> The DDoS attacks are just an attention getter, now, Anon
> is becoming more organized, there is a 'irl raid' or protest, for Feb.
> 10th, the anniversary of the death of Lisa McPherson. These will be
> worldwide protests. Handing out literature, carrying signs and
> posters, educating the general public on this cult.
Have copies of the "Lisa Clause"
> Although I do not take offense to being called a 'script kiddie' I do
> take offense to the fact that some see us as uneducated dolts that
> have no real interest and will slowly fade away. Now that I have seen
> the evils of Scifaggotology, I will not lose interest. This is an evil
> that needs to be purged.
Why do you call it scifaggotology?
Ca1v...@gmail.com
> On Jan 28, 4:46 pm, Ca1vi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 27, 11:15 pm, fr...@skeptictank.org (Friendly Xenu) wrote:
>
> > > "t_shuffle" <thorazineshuf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > First of all, take a breath.
>
> > > <laugh>
>
> > > > Second, the constant 'script kiddy' thing is quite insulting to
> > > > some of our new guests, and it's not entirely accurate, either.
>
> > > Naw, there aren't any actual hackers among the Anonymous -- I
> > > mean _think_ about what they're doing. Real hackers don't do that.
>
> > > ---
> > > "Don't break your back scrubbing floors. Get yourself a nigger, that's
> > > what they were born for." -- L. Ron Hubbard, in a letter to his 2nd wife
> > There are actual hackers in the ranks there, I've seen some of the
> > work done. Some of these documents were taken and distributed off of
> > secure servers.
>
> Like Torrents servers?
> None of those documents "taken and disributed" documents werent
> already in cyberspace.
>
> > I started with doing this "for the lulz", but now I
> > see that $cifaggotolgy is a really terrible cult
> Still scratching at the surface are you
I've read quite a bit in the past, this is the first time I've
actually devoted some real attention to it. I'd say beyond scratching
the surface. I've read up on Operation Snow White and some of the
others. $cifags harassing and destroying critics, manipulating media
and politicians. Admittedly, I do not know as much as some of the
others here that have been in the cult.
> > that needs to be brought down.
>
> Needs to be totally exposed all the way to governmental level. The
> cult doesnt operate without its "friends" in all the right places.
That doesn't keep it from needing to be brought completely down. I
have no problem with religion. I feel that anyone should practice it
in the way they choose, but RTC is a cancer.
>
> > The think about Anon is, they have the numbers
> > worldwide. I give credit to teh bearded one, he may not support our
> > methods, but he has been there in the trenches for a long time. That
> > is the beautiful thing about human beings. We can disseminate
> > knowledge to our future generations, something that no other animal on
> > earth can do.
>
> If the cult isnt fought on every front, it *will* continue. There is
> media in australia that IS NOT manipulated by scientology like Channel
> 9 is.
The cult is being fought, in the way that we know how. The newest
video a more media friendly message, as friendly as Anon can be. We
can only go so far, although a snail mail (knowing that most
politicians aren't very tech savvy) campaign is being discussed and
organized, and an email campaign, trying to get the taz exempt status
removed, there are multiple things in the works, but we need the
wisdom of those who have done this sort of thing before. The pickets
will help in getting the knowledge out there, to the masses, who view
scientology as a harmless, weird cult.
>
> > The DDoS attacks are just an attention getter, now, Anon
> > is becoming more organized, there is a 'irl raid' or protest, for Feb.
> > 10th, the anniversary of the death of Lisa McPherson. These will be
> > worldwide protests. Handing out literature, carrying signs and
> > posters, educating the general public on this cult.
>
> Have copies of the "Lisa Clause"
I don't know of that pamphlet, mostly what has been discussed is in
another thread here:
"* "If it weren't for RTC, you'd be OT by now".
* "RTC is downstat. Apply the condition or suffer the
consequences."
* "No one has the right to sell you Scientology. It belongs to the
entire human race".
* "It's time to make a choice. RTC, or your next endless trillions
of years."
* "PR can't hide the Truth anymore. RTC is destroying
Scientology."
These messages will appeal to the common believer. Hopefully. At least
it will maybe put a chink in their armor, doubt is a wonderful weapon.
>
> > Although I do not take offense to being called a 'script kiddie' I do
> > take offense to the fact that some see us as uneducated dolts that
> > have no real interest and will slowly fade away. Now that I have seen
> > the evils of Scifaggotology, I will not lose interest. This is an evil
> > that needs to be purged.
>
> Why do you call it scifaggotology?
Because it's a faggoty bunch of retarded faggots.
Ca1v...@gmail.com
Sorry, forgot the link for the downloads, I believe reading on here
that others have confirmed that these are new.
anothers...@hotmail.com
After Lisa McPherson died during an enforced "Introspection Rundown,"
the organization of scientology decided to require anyone applying for
any services at Flag (Clearwater, Florida) to sign a waiver. From an
article by Dr. David S. Touretzky and Peter Alexander on the Lisa
Clause (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Scientology/ReleaseForms/archive/
razor-article-2003.html):
"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release form before
you can receive its "spiritual assistance." This assistance might
involve holding you against your will for an indefinite period,
isolating you from friends and family, and denying you access to
appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed for this
treatment - assuming you survive it. If not, the release form absolves
your caretakers of all responsibility for your suffering and death.
Welcome to the Church of Scientology."
Further reading: The Lisa McPherson Clause:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Scientology/ReleaseForms/Introspection.html
this link has a scanned copy lower down in the page (after the
explanation of what it is and how it came about).
Plain text of the clause is here: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeta/scn/scans/Introspection-Release.html
It's pretty thorough in signing your rights away, although most
believe it would not hold up in court -- it is explicit that you
refuse any treatment but those available from within scientology and
that you could be subject to the "introspective rundown) -- among
other things, this means that you could be isolated from friends and
family against your will at the whim of your case handler or
"spiritual advisor").
Another good thing you should know about is the Scientology "Code of
Honor." The 12th item on this list is: NEVER FEAR TO HURT ANOTHER IN
A JUST CAUSE.
This could be interpreted many ways.
I think this item could be the reason that the page devoted to the
code of honor on scientology.org has been removed (this had to have
happened in the last couple of days):http://www.scientology.org/p_jpg/
wis/wiseng/33/33-hon.htm
However, you can still pruchase a plaque engraved with it here (no
picture though): http://www.scientology.org/html/en_US/istore/item/index.html?minisite=10041§ion=10331&item=218
Here is a link that contains the code of honor, hosted on a critic's
site: http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien285.html
There are other items in the code of honor that are rather
interesting. Here it is in its entirety:
Scientology's Code of Honor
-Never desert a comrade in need, in danger or in trouble.
-Never withdraw allegiance once granted.
-Never desert a group to which you owe your support.
-Never disparage yourself or minimize your strength of power.
-Never need praise, approval or sympathy.
-Never compromise with your own reality.
-Never permit your affinity to be alloyed.
-Do not give or receive communication unless you yourself desire it.
-Your self-determinism and your honor are more important than your
immediate life.
-Your integrity to yourself is more important than your body.
-Never regret yesterday. Life is in you today, and you can make your
tomorrow.
-Never fear to hurt another in a just cause.
-Don't desire to be liked or admired.
-Be your own adviser, keep your own counsel and select your own
decisions.
-Be true to your own goals.
shader
> Sorry, forgot the link for the downloads, I believe reading on here
> that others have confirmed that these are new.
>
> http://thepiratebay.org/search/scientology/0/99/0
only new things i've seen are the 2007 basics event DVD rip (which was
already leaked as FLV some time ago), and photos of the OCA line training
manual
the rest is only new to those new to anti-scn
Zinj
01.iinet.net.au>, no...@nowhere.org says...
I wanna see the background material for OSA ops over the past 20 years.
Naturally, they won't be available until the 'Church' is raided, and
most will be sealed as evidence for some time, but, that will be
enlightening.
It's a shame that 'freedom of information' doesn't apply to multi-
billion-dollar-UFO Cults....
Friendly Xenu
>"John Dorsay" <restim...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> If the script kiddies don't like being referred to as
>> "script kiddies", maybe they should stop acting like
>> scrpt kiddies and shut down their script kiddy software. Just a thought.
>I'm just saying that there is more to this than just the kids with the
>scripts trying to knock down meaningless websites.
I admit that you are correct. I was mistaken to claim that it was
only script kiddies involved. As of yet I haven't seen any indication
that actual hackers are involved, but I see some serious, dedicated
efforts among the Anonymous to do much more than scriptie attacks.
So yeah, if I fucked off too badly, I absolutely apologize to anyone
I might have offended for calling everyone involved script kiddies.
Friendly Xenu
> I started with doing this "for the lulz", but now I see that
> $cifaggotolgy is a really terrible cult that needs to be
> brought down.
Excellent, Calvin26. I really appeciate the effort that some of The
Anonymous are doing to examine carefully the underlying core issues.
I expect that once lulz is accomplished, it will be time to move on
for most Anons but if I may, I would like to ask your opinion about
something.
Did you get any feeling for the possibility that any of the Anonymous
or others who have reciently become more aware of Scientology and its
abuses might possibly stick around for any reasonable period of time?
The reason I ask is because if you look at the long-time ARSCC people,
we're all fairly old timers -- in our 40's and 50's, and in Keith
Henson's case, I think in our 60's.
I am FUCKINGLY ENCOURAGED by seeing younger people taking an active (if
not entirely legal) stance against Scientology's abuses, and I have some
hope that young blood might join us god damned old farts for a while.
The young hackers, crackers, whackers, lulzers get to take over a world
that old fuckers like me have screwed up so fucking badly that I
personallty am ashamed of what we've done, and I have to admit that
even though I oppose attacks against Scientology's web servers, I am
GREATLY encouraged and happy to see young people are aware of this
Scientology problem.
Friendly Xenu
> I give credit to teh bearded one, he may not support our
> methods, but he has been there in the trenches for a long time.
<smile> I love Mark Bunker. I met him in Clearwater, Florida one
year during the annual Lisa McPherson memorial protest, and Mark was
always one of themore thoughtful, _thinking_ critics on the scene.
barb
Google is your friend. Lisa Clause:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Scientology/ReleaseForms/Introspection.html
>
>
> "* "If it weren't for RTC, you'd be OT by now".
> * "RTC is downstat. Apply the condition or suffer the
> consequences."
> * "No one has the right to sell you Scientology. It belongs to the
> entire human race".
> * "It's time to make a choice. RTC, or your next endless trillions
> of years."
> * "PR can't hide the Truth anymore. RTC is destroying
> Scientology."
>
> These messages will appeal to the common believer. Hopefully. At least
> it will maybe put a chink in their armor, doubt is a wonderful weapon.
>>> Although I do not take offense to being called a 'script kiddie' I do
>>> take offense to the fact that some see us as uneducated dolts that
>>> have no real interest and will slowly fade away. Now that I have seen
>>> the evils of Scifaggotology, I will not lose interest. This is an evil
>>> that needs to be purged.
>> Why do you call it scifaggotology?
>
> Because it's a faggoty bunch of retarded faggots.
>
--
barb
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Beth
> > Why do you call it scifaggotology?
>
> Because it's a faggoty bunch of retarded faggots.
Why take the time to explain yourself thoughtfully and helpfully, then
go and erase your credibility with that kind of shit?
Beth
eddieVroom
> Naw, there aren't any actual hackers among the Anonymous -- I
> mean _think_ about what they're doing. Real hackers don't do that.
IMO, a "real" hacker would do the deed quietly, repetitively and cover
his tracks well -- then sit tight a few years to decouple his actions
from the results. Or at least let the statute of limitations run out.
But that's just *my* way of thinking.
--
the Tortured Spark - a Light in the Dark
the Mystical RevvedErrand Doktor eddieVroom
Northern Lights Motor Lodge
Knights of the Visible Wank-L
He only comes out when I drink my Djinn...
eddieVroom
> Why do you call it scifaggotology?
That just seems to be the nicknaming convention in play with Anon.
Everyone and everything is "fag" -- $cifag, SPfag, Amerifag, Eurofag,
etc. Kind of like adding "-O" to everyones name.
wheat...@googlemail.com
(which would seem a bit counter to the name but hey, you meet a lot of
people at uni) to stick it through till the job is done. In reference
to the 'faggotry' comment, again it's just a sub-culture thing from
anon. like the use of people here to refer to the cult with a $. It
might appear immature or stupid but it's just the way that we throw
words around. A lot like how various cultures have different ways of
talking about things.
As to the script kiddie comments: There are a lot of anon of various
technical and none technical skills. Some of the information that is
being churned out, be it the images or the fliers, are of a top
quality. A personal favourite is http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/renjamin/120150556079.jpg
Then there are other Anon who do appear to know a lot about code and
such and can bosh up pretty good code on the fly for doing various
things (not always for ruining things, once there was a code that was
produced in a matter of minutes to solve a complex mathematical
problem)
anothers...@hotmail.com
<wheaths...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I'm sticking around and I'm encouraging a lot of the anon that I know
> (which would seem a bit counter to the name but hey, you meet a lot of
> people at uni) to stick it through till the job is done. In reference
> to the 'faggotry' comment, again it's just a sub-culture thing from
> anon. like the use of people here to refer to the cult with a $. It
> might appear immature or stupid but it's just the way that we throw
> words around. A lot like how various cultures have different ways of
> talking about things.
>
> As to the script kiddie comments: There are a lot of anon of various
> technical and none technical skills. Some of the information that is
> being churned out, be it the images or the fliers, are of a top
> Then there are other Anon who do appear to know a lot about code and
> such and can bosh up pretty good code on the fly for doing various
> things (not always for ruining things, once there was a code that was
> produced in a matter of minutes to solve a complex mathematical
> problem)
Effective poster/handout!
Ca1v...@gmail.com
Sorry I didn't reply earlier, sleep is necessity.
I think this will bring a lot of younger folks into the fold so to
speak. I myself cannot participate in any of the illegal things that
Anon is doing, nor will I. I have too much to lose at this point in my
life. Legal things I can and will do. Such as protesting and
picketing. The one thing I that this has at least done, is show a lot
of people the evil that is $cifaggotology.
wheat...@googlemail.com
I wouldn't ask you to do anything else. I haven't engaged in anything
illegal either and shall be doing my utmost to avoid anything of that
nature. I expect the Ddos to slow down soon as Anon changes gears.
John Dorsay
Excellent!
Wise Beard Man has described things the culties might do while you
picket, but I don't think he mentioned one thing they might do
afterwards.
Since the act of protesting the cult labels you as "criminals" in
their eyes, the culties might embark on a mission to indentify you
so they can "find your ruin". If you don't wear masks, they will
probably photograph you. If you do wear masks, they will probably
follow you when you complete your picket so that they can photograph
you when you do eventually remove the masks, or record the license
number of the vehicle you leave in, or gather other information to
help them to determine who you are.
Sometimes the cult will expend considerable resources to do this, at
which time (if they succeed) they will attempt to intimidate you
with vaguely menacing "We know where you live and we know your
crimes" type messages. You might not be able to maintain anonymity
indefinitely if you choose to face the cult IRL.
ars has seen much bandwidth devoted to the pros and cons of
anonymity in ones relationship with the cult. The best argument I
have seen in favor is that the cult devotes some of its finite
resources to discovering the identities of anonymous critics. If
you don't care if the cult identifies you, then this is a Good
Thing. If you do care, then you should know that the cult might
work very hard to try to figure out who you are, and might succeed.
Of course, some of the cult's investigators can be pretty inept,
and just watching them do their thing can be entertaining in itself.
John
eddieVroom
> As to the script kiddie comments: There are a lot of anon of various
> technical and none technical skills. Some of the information that is
> being churned out, be it the images or the fliers, are of a top
> quality. A personal favourite is http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/renjamin/120150556079.jpg
> Then there are other Anon who do appear to know a lot about code and
> such and can bosh up pretty good code on the fly for doing various
> things (not always for ruining things, once there was a code that was
> produced in a matter of minutes to solve a complex mathematical
> problem)
Some of those "kiddies" appear to be current and ex- Military. Signal
Intel. Surveillance. Psyop. Etc.
But by all means, keep the "Teen Loner on Daddy's Computer" meme
alive... ;)
Hartley Patterson
> Second, the constant 'script kiddy' thing is quite insulting to some of our
> new guests, and it's not entirely accurate, either.
I've been reading the looong Something Awful thread on this affair, and
'script kiddies' is one of the wind up phrases Goons use for Anonymous.
That's the point, it's a ritual insult like NOOBS and not meant to be
accurate.
--
Hartley Patterson
http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk
http://news-from-bree.blogspot.com
Hartley Patterson
> The reason I ask is because if you look at the long-time ARSCC people,
> we're all fairly old timers -- in our 40's and 50's, and in Keith
> Henson's case, I think in our 60's.
Me too, turned 60 this week. On the plus side, in five years I become a
full time Suppressive Person, in the unfortunate circumstance that the
cult is still here.