Just as I predicted, May 10th shows teenagers losing interest
The Answer
of the teenagers known as "Anonymous". I let you all have you phony
little "epic win" posts, and now the truth comes out.
Now you see just how silly it all is, and what an unnecessary risk for
those poor youngsters to take. Already they have risked their futures
for a group more interested in "fun" than any real social change.
The church is turning the tides, because with diminished participation,
the entire world sees just how un-workable the mostly ignored protests are.
Turn your attention else where, so that you labors are more productive.
Stop wasting your time here.
john...@gmail.com
redco...@gmail.com
LOL
You are no Hulk Hogan.
False villany!
Thanks for the laugh
Jeff L
Pointless trolls should be killfiled.
Tom is at least somewhat interesting, which is why I tolerate him so
much (much to the chagrin of other regulars, I'm sure). But this one?
PLONK.
Sam Buckland
Nah, he's "The Answer".
Of course, "The Question" is, "Who is the stupidest fuck on the
entire planet?"
The Answer
Did you mean "fuck tard"? At least I come here with sensible realistic
information, presented in a polite calm manner.
I think you get to a state of such anger as you full recognise the
validity of my statements.
john...@gmail.com
Brand...@gmail.com
Yes, you came here in a calm and very polite way. That is very nice
of you.
Anonymous has created the ripple effect. It is just like throwing a
small rock into the pond. The rock really isn't that a big deal but
it caused an effect which is much greater than its own mass. There
are too many things going on right now to say they have had no
effect. The COS has had more negative attention now than ever.
Almost everyday there is a breaking story. Did Anonymous cause them
all? No, that would be impossible. But, it is hard to say that they
did nothing.
When growing up you are taught by parents and teachers that one
individual is all it takes to change something. The change is all
around us. It does not matter if it is ten strong or ten thousand
strong. Everyday little stones are being thrown into ponds all over
the world. Jason Begehe seems to be the effect of one of these
pebbles...
Fredric L. Rice
>I attempted to foreshadow the ultimate defeat due to the waning interest
>of the teenagers known as "Anonymous". I let you all have you phony
>little "epic win" posts, and now the truth comes out.
Fail.
---
Let's have Roland describe it for us
El Ron Crozo
"The Answer",
I disagree vehemently with you. The amount of people at
these protests is irrelevant, and you know it. As long as Scientology
is unable to contain all of these "SP's" that are on the sidewalks,
you know, I know, and the cult knows that its money flow is being
lost. You can't con John Q. Public with plastic lie detectors, er, e-
meters, if someone is there to present the other side. It's
fascinating to watch entire stress-tests carts pack up and leave at
the site of ONE protester. What does that tell you, "Answer"?
Tom Newton
The Answer <utlimat...@b101010.com> wrote:
Honest response from an "Anonymous" member:
But it's so much fun bugging those weird Scientologists!
You get to sit at home and eat junk food and watch TV and
play video games and post nasty things that you just copy
from somewhere.
And every once in a while you stand around on a sidewalk
and wave signs and eat junk food at the same time.
It's so EASY. Why should I have to do anything that takes
work and effort and concentration?
You aren't being FAIR!
endquote
Tom
--
The Truth will set you free:
http://www.sethcenter.com
El Ron Crozo
> On 2008-05-16, in <uj7Xj.67094$%15.64...@bignews7.bellsouth.net>
Yet "Tom Newton" doesn't even have any credible information to copy
from anywhere else. He makes it up. In fact, Tom's best defense
mechanism is to make threats of violence at people he doesn't agree
with. By the way, "Tom", I will report you for any further physical
threats you make toward me. Have a nice day.
t_shuffle
"Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@SkepticTank.Org> wrote in message
news:vbidnXCJuMPhj7DV...@posted.sonicnet
Epic fail. A thinly veiled attempt at begging folks to please quit
protesting in front of the orgs.
I love it when they show us what works.
Askren
> "Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@SkepticTank.Org> wrote in messagenews:vbidnXCJuMPhj7DV...@posted.sonicnet
>
>
> >>I attempted to foreshadow the ultimate defeat due to the
> >>waning interest of the teenagers known as "Anonymous". I
> >>let you all have you phony little "epic win" posts, and
> >>now the truth comes out.
>
> > Fail.
>
> > ---
> > Let's have Roland describe it for us
>
> Epic fail. A thinly veiled attempt at begging folks to please quit
> protesting in front of the orgs.
>
> I love it when they show us what works.
Um..Lower numbers. Can you say 'finals'? Probably 80% of those in any
form of school (including college) have finals at the end of the year.
You might remember this if you infact attended any yourself, instead
of Sea Org school or whatever brainwashing base your Scientologist
parents stuffed you in.
e-tard
There's also all the folks who have been taking part in near constant
mini-raids all over the country. A good number of those folks took the
day off, figuring that the monthly protests would go fine without them.
feministe
insanities to some, uh.
r
The Answer
> Pointless trolls should be killfiled.
>
> Tom is at least somewhat interesting, which is why I tolerate him so
> much (much to the chagrin of other regulars, I'm sure). But this one?
>
> PLONK.
Jeff,
Tom comes here just for entertainment - and it seems this group is all
too willing to give him that. While you may disagree with what I say, I
am saying rational things, if you took the time to read what I say.
If it is truly your belief that any poster who dares to disagree with
the standard opinions, then I have to wonder why you bother to come here.
You can just go to enturbulation org, where any real disagreement is
forbidden. I don't say this to be mean, I say it because it is true.
I don't think that simple stating a contrary opinion is trolling.
HunterM...@gmail.com
Disagreement isn't forbidden on Enturbulation. It just so happens that
for a while, the people who went there to troll or post pro-
Scientology stuff
a.) Really had no reason to be there in the first place
b.) Did it really, really badly, and got suitably mocked for it.
hax...@gmail.com
> for a while, the people who went there to troll or post pro-
> Scientology stuff
>
I beg to differ on that point.
While "mild disagreement" is permitted among the regulars, criticism
is generally not permitted.
And I am not talking about pro-scion propaganda either.
On the other hand, it is their forum, so fine. I don't think anyone
ever said it was a un-biased or "fair" forum either. But the rules
are, stay in line with the "party" there - or you post will be froze
or re-directed to an insult page, and this simply true.
Not sure what your definition of trolling is, but even poorly done pro-
scion posts should be permitted. I can't say in particular, because I
haven't seen the posts.
You can see how on ARS, the best many can do here is crude name
calling.
barb
post, we can see how the cult really feels! Let me just....180 degrees
here...ah, here we go!
Anonymous has them running scared. They cannot imagine combining
something as serious as fighting a cult with caek and dancing. By
focusing on the latter, they're overlooking the former. It has them
worried shitless. "Un-workable" protests...sure. The world doesn't even
understand Scilon-speak, let along having a sense that we're having no
impact.
Also includes an admission that Scientology will fuck with you, your
folks, your dog, your future if you dare voice opposition. Unfortunately
for cu*t, protests are a dearly beloved element of our Bill of Rights,
and the "church" is wasting so much time, effort and money fighting us,
it's no wonder you get posts like these.
"Turn your attention else where (sic)" lol! You'd like that. No worries,
we will, in time. Once the Scientology problem is put to bed, that is.
Quit whining. You pulled this in. Just lie back and let the karma wash
over you. Take responsibility for it. Embrace it. It is your destiny.
Some day, we'll read about Scientology in history books. As the first
destructive entity in history to be taken down by netizens of the world.
It's OUR planet, bitch! And we're gonna clear it, one org at a time,
until Scientology can no longer prey on the ignorant, trusting members
of society who innocently blunder into its path while seeking something
else.
--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)
It's Poodlin' Time!
“I think that the protections that we enjoy for freedom of worship exist
so long as we don’t step over the line. When religious worship and
belief cross over into things like fraud, victimization of others and
the disruption of the political arena, that protection is no longer
appropriate.”
--Robert Goff
Professor Emeritus, UCSC
barb
Well, actually, no you didn't. You brought us silly postulates instead
of caek. I've glimpsed your fantasy world. It will never happen! We're
gonna ride this bronc to a standstill. Then sell it for dog food.
>
> I think you get to a state of such anger as you full recognise the
> validity of my statements.
Laughter isn't anger. Pity you feel it necessary to postulate your posts
having that kind of impact. Or any impact beyond mild, curious amusement
at clams and their confidence that imaginary realities can be made real
by wanting them to be.
barb
It tells me that they are fixated on numbers rather than their effect.
20 people can hand out three fliers.
Three people can hand out 500 fliers.
Which stat is more important? Why, the three people, of course! "Numbers
are down." Well yeah, duh...finals week for many. Mothers Day for others.
I like it when they ignore the real important stuff, like how many
people were given fliers, as opposed to the irrelevant statistic of how
many people were handing them out.
THIS. Is why they will lose. They're following the ramblings of a
drugged out con man, and we don't suffer that handicap.
barb
Yeah, we'll get right on it. After we're done here.
The Answer
> t_shuffle wrote:
>> "Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@SkepticTank.Org> wrote in message
>> news:vbidnXCJuMPhj7DV...@posted.sonicnet
>>> The Answer <utlimat...@b101010.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I attempted to foreshadow the ultimate defeat due to the
>>>> waning interest of the teenagers known as "Anonymous". I
>>>> let you all have you phony little "epic win" posts, and
>>>> now the truth comes out.
>>> Fail.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Let's have Roland describe it for us
>>
>> Epic fail. A thinly veiled attempt at begging folks to please quit
>> protesting in front of the orgs.
>>
>> I love it when they show us what works.
>>
> "Wouldn't you rather be saving whales, or solving world hunger?"
>
> Yeah, we'll get right on it. After we're done here.
>
You make a large incorrect assumption. I am not affiliated with any
organization. I wish instead of assuming that anything even slight
critical is the work of some secret plot, you would believe that not
every critic see things the same way. I they don't hey MUST be the enemy.
In any event, the truth is that the protests are having a blowback
effect. They are garnishing sympathy and make it appear that bigoted
attacks are in progress. This help their cause.
So, as I have said it is a foolish waste of time. The mainstream media
is not even aware of it. The orgs are only mildly annoyed at the local
level.
These poor teenagers are ruining their future for nothing.
superbubba
> organization. I wish instead of assuming that anything even slight
> critical is the work of some secret plot, you would believe that not
> every critic see things the same way. I they don't hey MUST be the enemy.
The enemy? Who's enemy? I thought you were unaffiliated.
HunterM...@gmail.com
> barb wrote:
> > t_shuffle wrote:
> >> "Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@SkepticTank.Org> wrote in message
> >>news:vbidnXCJuMPhj7DV...@posted.sonicnet
Ruining their....future? So activism is not a one way ticket to a
lifetime of failure, whereas NOT doing what one thinks is right is the
way to go?
The Answer
Who said anything about activism? It's the silly, ineffective parades
that will get them in trouble, when they end up in jail for terrorism.
I'm NOT saying they are guilty of that, but you will see how things get
twisted around. They have the authorities bought and paid for.
Activism is to be encouraged.
Gregg Hagglund
<utlimat...@b101010.com> wrote:
>I attempted to foreshadow the ultimate defeat due to the waning interest
>of the teenagers known as "Anonymous". I let you all have you phony
>little "epic win" posts, and now the truth comes out.
>
>Now you see just how silly it all is, and what an unnecessary risk for
>those poor youngsters to take. Already they have risked their futures
>for a group more interested in "fun" than any real social change.
>
>The church is turning the tides, because with diminished participation,
>the entire world sees just how un-workable the mostly ignored protests are.
>
>Turn your attention else where, so that you labors are more productive.
>Stop wasting your time here.
>
ROFL.
Anonymous is not Scientology. Anonymous success is not wedded to
numbers attending Demonstrations. Only a Scientologist would apply
failed Hubbard tech to Anonymous attendance, consider that attendance
as 'Downstat' and therefore failing of ineffectual.
Wishful thinking on your part.
The Siege of Scientology has just begun in earnest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odddu3FI940
Here in Toronto, and in many other parts of the world, the ever
adaptable fluctuating ranks of Anonymous have adopted the OG tactic of
multiple small demos to inform the public and to make it clear to C0$
members and staff that the SPs are the real OTs.
Years ago 2 to 6 of us would picket the Org on a near weekly basis.
It hurt Org stats and caused a few defections.
Anonymous are doing Information Flyer Demos in Toronto almost
everyday. This has forced the Org to pull down its window blinds and
hide. The ORG has been effectively shut down for up to 50% of the
time for the last 3 weeks. Other cities are starting to adopt the same
tactics.
This is crushing the Org stats, causing defections of members and
recently the desertion of some SO from the Org.
Eventually DM is not going to keep funding all the many deadbeat money
losing Orgs that remain. Mark Headly has apparently observed that only
CW is making money. Other defectors have concurred with that info,
especially ex registrars.
It doesn't matter if it is 300 or 3 Anonymous Critics protesting
outside of an Org. The fact *anyone* who wants to do so is legally
able to protest and voice their criticism of C0$ Management Policies,
despite all of Scientology claims at omnipotence, demonstrates the C0$
is *not* all powerful and is based on Hubbards lies and
prevarications.
Tell me 'Answer', which of these are false:
Scientology Management does not always tell the truth;
Scientology Management has condoned, conducted and been
convicted of illegal,unethical and immoral activities;
Some Scientology Practices are dangerous to participants health,
either physical or mental or both;
Scientology Management and L.R. Hubbard lied about Hubbards life
history and accomplishments;
Despite the pseudo-scientific claims of Hubbard no Scientology or
Dianetic process has *ever* been clinically *proven* to work as
claimed.
I have been circulating the above, in one form or another
since 1999.
Were the above not true, then they would be defamations of
Corporate Scientology and we both know Co$ has the money and the
lawyers to force me to retract or cease to utter or print them.
But the above *are* true.
And the first four are enforced by *current* Co$ policies.
'Answer', you have no answers.
We all know the biggest fear of the C0$ is the loss of its illegally
acquired 501c3 status.
And that will happen sooner than later with Anonymous help.
It must be hard for you, knowing your fascist organization will
*never* clear the planet and you will *never* have the opportunity to
"dispose of quietly and without sorrow" ( LRH) all the SPs you hate so
much.
You have my pity.
Not my sympathy.
Just pity for a wretch caught in Hubbards Money Making Cult Machine.
Gregg Hagglund SP7
TorontoSP
WHM
MMM
barb
their community.
THAT is activism! Dancing and caek are just side benefits. Apparently
you are so distracted by the fun, you don't even see what we're doing
here. Muahahahaha....that's been our plan all along...
"Oh, look! A shiny thing!"
HunterM...@gmail.com
My my. So now for showing up to protest, I'm a terrorist? Well,
Scientology DID call us cyber-terrorists when we began, so I GUESS
everything they say must be rooted in infallible fact and therefor the
truth.
But wait. You're NOT saying Anon is guilty of that? Well, you're
implying SOMEONE is. And if it's not me, and it's not you (oh
unaffiliated one), and it's not the public, it must be....the church.
Now, freedom of assembly gives us the right to hold these 'silly,
ineffective parades." That's infallible fact. Yes? Ok. NEVER has Anon
advocated violence, and we have ALWAYS been in contact with the police
to maintain our peaceful protests stay just that. Now let's
see...German Anons had eggs thrown at them. A PI in Los Angeles was
discovered to be carrying a loaded gun. Protesters have been followed
to their homes. At a mini-raid, a friend of mine had a bottle of water
poured on his camera by a man in a Dianetics shirt, who sprinted away.
False 911 calls have been made against us (ZOMFG ACID BUCKET!!1). This
is just THIS MONTH. Now, Anonymous is going to be somehow jailed for
these things? I think not.
hu...@mailinator.com
> I attempted to foreshadow the ultimate defeat due to the waning interest
> of the teenagers known as "Anonymous". I let you all have you phony
> little "epic win" posts, and now the truth comes out.
>
> those poor youngsters to take. Already they have risked their futures
> for a group more interested in "fun" than any real social change.
>
> The church is turning the tides, because with diminished participation,
> the entire world sees just how un-workable the mostly ignored protests are.
>
> Turn your attention else where, so that you labors are more productive.
> Stop wasting your time here.
Numbers may be down at a number of protests and up at others, doesn't
matter. What matters is the goal of the protest. If the goal of the
protest is to merely discourage the general public from visiting a
scientology building, a large number is not needed. If the goal is to
interact with the public, a large crowd of protesters is actually
detrimental. If the goal is to make TV news, then a large crowd may
be necessary.
The number of protests per month, and the number of public contacts
are probably better measuring sticks of the success of Anonymous, than
the total number of protesters per month.
k
"The Answer" <utlimat...@b101010.com> wrote in message
news:uj7Xj.67094$%15.6...@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>I attempted to foreshadow the ultimate defeat due to the waning interest of
>the teenagers known as "Anonymous". I let you all have you phony little
>"epic win" posts, and now the truth comes out.
>
> Now you see just how silly it all is, and what an unnecessary risk for
> those poor youngsters to take. Already they have risked their futures for
> a group more interested in "fun" than any real social change.
>
> The church is turning the tides, because with diminished participation,
> the entire world sees just how un-workable the mostly ignored protests
> are.
>
> Turn your attention else where, so that you labors are more productive.
> Stop wasting your time here.
>
>
Shows alot of us have finals/course work to do, thats about all.
an...@anon.penet.fi
<utlimat...@b101010.com> wrote:
>I attempted to foreshadow the ultimate defeat due to the waning interest
>of the teenagers known as "Anonymous". I let you all have you phony
>little "epic win" posts, and now the truth comes out.
>
>Now you see just how silly it all is, and what an unnecessary risk for
>those poor youngsters to take. Already they have risked their futures
>for a group more interested in "fun" than any real social change.
>
>The church is turning the tides, because with diminished participation,
>the entire world sees just how un-workable the mostly ignored protests are.
>
>Turn your attention else where, so that you labors are more productive.
>Stop wasting your time here.
>
Looks likes someone's butthurt, I'll call the Waaaaaaambulance!
Everything is proceeding according to plan.
You have no chance to survive. Make your time.
--
No good deed will go unpunished
Jommy Cross
wrote in msg <kvfXj.67298$%15.5...@bignews7.bellsouth.net>:
<snip>
>While you may disagree with what I say, I
>am saying rational things, if you took the time to read what I say.
>
>If it is truly your belief that any poster who dares to disagree with
>the standard opinions, then I have to wonder why you bother to come here.
I took the time to read what you say in the second paragraph. You're not
saying rational things there.
Ever yours in fandom,
Jommy Cross
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The Answer
> I took the time to read what you say in the second paragraph. You're not
> saying rational things there.
>
Ok, I suppose rational is a matter of your point of view. The point is I
am not calling names, accusing every one of lying, or of being a forger.
So I don't see why you consider this trolling. I have my ideas which
differ from yours, but I did not come here being rude or outrageous in
my mannerisms.
I foresee the June activities dropping to new lows, as I said the
teenagers have become bored.
"Finals" is a very shallow excuse, as I am sure they could have taken a
few hours break if they cared.
All that I have said has come to pass.
anon7571
"The Answer" <utlimat...@b101010.com> wrote in message
news:kvfXj.67298$%15.5...@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
I can't find any actual statistics about all these claims. Apparently
enturbulation.org has stopped posting its own stats beyong the protest of
March, so no data about April and May.
Askren
> "The Answer" <utlimateans...@b101010.com> wrote in message
No, data for may was released. No one's suggesting numbers aren't
down.
HOWEVER, Anon has something up it's sleeve that is going to change the
face of this whole game.
the Over 9000 Man March will be the turning point.
jerald
>
> All that I have said has come to pass.
Of course it has. Like most movements this one seems to have slowed a
bit. But then like most movements there will be hundreds if not
thousands who will stay and fight on. And everyone who attended a
picket will tell those they know about the very evil actions of
scientology.
And lets remember scientology has a history of not letting people be
and they can fire this right back up and if they do stay true to their
history they will do just that.
All in all this movement has done more harm to scientology than any
other in the past and its not over yet. So sure, tell us what you
think. But why not come along for the ride and help instead. Theres
a lot more road to travel and more of us than ever to keep you
company.
jerald
Skipper
<3859dfbf-9fef-4cac...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
jerald <jerald...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I wish people would lose this "big bad $cientology strikes back"
bullshit. It's shadows.
They've lost in court everywhere. When Norman Taylor, who is now a
"lemon law" lawyer in So. Cal., was on staff and being their lawyer,
they lost every case.
They are bleeding money and celebrities to the point that I'm surprised
they can even afford to not sell their buildings. They have NO
meaningful favorable publicity anywhere in the world. They are an
almost dead beast. A beast cornered is vicious, but at this point it's
last Satanic chants for this evil cult.
Askren
> In article
> <3859dfbf-9fef-4cac-b181-67f6dc7eb...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Actually, they ARE selling their buildings. =)
The Answer
> Tell me 'Answer', which of these are false:
>
> Scientology Management does not always tell the truth;
> Scientology Management has condoned, conducted and been
> convicted of illegal,unethical and immoral activities;
True - as per LRH policy
> Some Scientology Practices are dangerous to participants health,
> either physical or mental or both;
True - There have been cases of death - perhaps more than will ever be know.
> Scientology Management and L.R. Hubbard lied about Hubbards life
> history and accomplishments;
True - The SF org admitted this to me, and they have cleansed most of
their material of the out right lies.
> Despite the pseudo-scientific claims of Hubbard no Scientology or
> Dianetic process has *ever* been clinically *proven* to work as
> claimed.
True - The only "proof" they offer is a "study" done by the mythical
"Hubbard Foundation" in the 50's
> 'Answer', you have no answers.
>
> We all know the biggest fear of the C0$ is the loss of its illegally
> acquired 501c3 status.
As much as I wish this could happen, it is a "long shot".
> And that will happen sooner than later with Anonymous help.
>
> It must be hard for you, knowing your fascist organization will
> *never* clear the planet and you will *never* have the opportunity to
> "dispose of quietly and without sorrow" ( LRH) all the SPs you hate so
> much.
>
*Please* point out where, in any of my posts, I said anything that ever
approved of this organization. Did you read what I said? Or did you jump
to a conclusion and go off on a rant?
As I said, you don't seem to have much tolerance for disagreement about
how this should be done. What seems to work in on area, could have the
complete opposite effect in another.
While your post did not seem to be in accordance with what I have said,
it was at least devoid of curse words.
Many of the teenagers in this movement don't seem to understand that
just calling others "fuck-tards" works against the cause.
That mocking them only deprecates the cause.
That a calm and friendly presentation of the proven facts, as opposed to
speculation, it the way to convince others.
That marching around saying "You Suck" as works against the cause.
Again, I have no affiliation or liking of this group.
Askren
But you see, the public doesn't have time for lengthy discussions and
indepth investigations on their own part. They have time for flyers,
short quips and sound bytes they can agree with. "Scientology is a
Cult" is almost always supported here in NYC by anyone who just reads
it.
That said, online, I never use insults in a conversation, because it's
pointless. I may insult the Cult of Scientology, but that's because
it's not a person to be offended, and has no say. It would, if any
spokesperson or Scientologist came forwards to actually have the
conversation, but they don't. Only ever "pro-Scientologists" who claim
to be non-members.
What grinds my gears is people like Tom who don't KNOW what an
intelligent conversation is, and just say "It's all lies." and then
throw in personal insults and attacks for no reason.
Honestly, I don't know you, but reading this last post, I can see that
you CAN actually take the time to read a post and respond. I just wish
it happened more often.
The Answer
That is one of the most sensible posts I have seen in quite some time.
I am not ignorant of the organizations actions over the last 50 years. I
know all to well.
I participated in the anti-war movement, and we had some very grand
marches to be sure - bit to little or no effect. Now I am not saying
that this is an identical situation, and certainly a daily presence at
major orgs could have an effect, but please don't assume that marching
is going to have a huge effect. History shows otherwise.
However, mocking rude actions are not effective. I would not advise
someone who wanted to know the truth to go to the enturbulation site, as
it comes of just as I have said - a bunch of *silly*, *rude* teenagers.
I truly do not means that as an insult - it is just an honest observation.
I am sure that comment will net me a few of "fuck-tard" responses, and
this is accepted. All I can say is - attempt to find a typical main
stream person and show them that site - and you will see what I mean.
That is how it comes off. And to some degree this is reflected in the
marches as well - not constructive or beneficial.
While most of the marchers are not this way, the few that are will be
the ones that get noticed.
So perhaps it would be wise to cancel them. If you can't do it
effectively, then don't do it.
e-tard
If you understood anything about Enturbulation.org or Anonymous, you'd
know that once the horde is released, there's no stopping them. Trying
to stop anything once it's in motion is like trying to herd cats; they
will not accept your direction and will wander in any direction they
choose.The protests will go on no matter how ineffective you feel they
are, or how much you dislike their tone or attitude.
Nice try though.
Tom Newton
The Answer <utlimat...@b101010.com> wrote:
<snip>
> I am not ignorant of the organizations actions over the last 50
> years. I know all to well.
>
> I participated in the anti-war movement, and we had some very
> grand marches to be sure - bit to little or no effect. Now I am
> not saying that this is an identical situation, and certainly a
> daily presence at major orgs could have an effect, but please
> don't assume that marching is going to have a huge effect.
> History shows otherwise.
>
> However, mocking rude actions are not effective. I would not
> advise someone who wanted to know the truth to go to the
> enturbulation site, as it comes of just as I have said - a
> bunch of *silly*, *rude* teenagers. I truly do not means that
> as an insult - it is just an honest observation.
>
> I am sure that comment will net me a few of "fuck-tard"
> responses, and this is accepted. All I can say is - attempt
> to find a typical main stream person and show them that site
> - and you will see what I mean. That is how it comes off. And
> to some degree this is reflected in the marches as well - not
> constructive or beneficial.
>
> While most of the marchers are not this way, the few that are
> will be the ones that get noticed.
>
> So perhaps it would be wise to cancel them. If you can't do it
> effectively, then don't do it.
You are so right. "Anonymous" is its own worst enemy.
They should be cultivating the only thing that will ever allow
them to be effective, which is credibility, yet they do just the
opposite.
But then, I do not think they want to seriously harm the Church
of Scientology.
Who would they hate then?
The Church of Scientology is a safe target for these bigots.
There aren't many others around.
These vicious criminals are still doing their thing only because
the Church of Scientology is _not_ what they say it is.
If they attacked an organizations of the same size that
actually _was_ a "crime cult", a dozen of them would have
serious 'accidents' in no time at all and the rest would find
something else to do in a hurry.
Even I know how to arrange that (or rather, I know people who know
people who do) and I'm not and have never been a member of a "crime cult".
I was a businessman and there's a lot hardball played behind the
scenes of the ordinary business world that the public never hears
about.
Tom
--
The Truth will set you free:
http://www.sethcenter.com
pooky621a
> On 2008-05-17, in <ugHXj.35526$7a.6...@bignews1.bellsouth.net>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Tom if you ever actually responded to questions or to counter
arguments, you may be taken seriously.
You don't.
You aren't.
You are a troll in every sense of the word.
You are fail.
Jeff L
> Tom if you ever actually responded to questions or to counter
> arguments, you may be taken seriously.
>
> You don't.
>
> You aren't.
>
> You are a troll in every sense of the word.
>
> You are fail.
This is like telling a stump that it is a stump in every sense of the
word. It's obvious to everyone, but the stump doesn't give a shit.
The Answer
> The Answer wrote:
>> I attempted to foreshadow the ultimate defeat due to the waning
>> interest of the teenagers known as "Anonymous". I let you all have you
>> phony little "epic win" posts, and now the truth comes out.
>>
>> Now you see just how silly it all is, and what an unnecessary risk for
>> those poor youngsters to take. Already they have risked their futures
>> for a group more interested in "fun" than any real social change.
>>
>> The church is turning the tides, because with diminished
>> participation, the entire world sees just how un-workable the mostly
>> ignored protests are.
>>
>> Turn your attention else where, so that you labors are more
>> productive. Stop wasting your time here.
>>
>>
> post, we can see how the cult really feels! Let me just....180 degrees
> here...ah, here we go!
>
> Anonymous has them running scared. They cannot imagine combining
> something as serious as fighting a cult with caek and dancing. By
> focusing on the latter, they're overlooking the former. It has them
> worried shitless. "Un-workable" protests...sure. The world doesn't even
> understand Scilon-speak, let along having a sense that we're having no
> impact.
>
> Also includes an admission that Scientology will fuck with you, your
> folks, your dog, your future if you dare voice opposition. Unfortunately
> for cu*t, protests are a dearly beloved element of our Bill of Rights,
> and the "church" is wasting so much time, effort and money fighting us,
> it's no wonder you get posts like these.
>
> "Turn your attention else where (sic)" lol! You'd like that. No worries,
> we will, in time. Once the Scientology problem is put to bed, that is.
>
> Quit whining. You pulled this in. Just lie back and let the karma wash
> over you. Take responsibility for it. Embrace it. It is your destiny.
>
> Some day, we'll read about Scientology in history books. As the first
> destructive entity in history to be taken down by netizens of the world.
>
> It's OUR planet, bitch! And we're gonna clear it, one org at a time,
> until Scientology can no longer prey on the ignorant, trusting members
> of society who innocently blunder into its path while seeking something
> else.
As for "running scared" this is situation normal for this organization.
LRH was paranoid, perhaps psychopathicly so. In fact, the truth is this
has mainly lead most of their problems. It is the cause of fair game and
disconnection.
So I don't think that "running scared" is any *great* accomplishment.
This is a 50 year old tradition - even since LRH's lost Dianetics (it
went belly up and he sold it)
Your going to have to do better than that.
The Answer
HA HA HA HA - Oh, my little e-tard, I can see your a not a student of
history.
I am not bragging, or saying it was the right thing to do, but when we
decided to protest, we did not hide behind other's IP's and bring down a
web site. We took over the entire campus, not hiding behind masks.
We faced real bullets, we went to real jail and some of us go shot and
died. Some of us went to court and served hard time for out beliefs.
We didn't have some mindless cult members observing us, we had the FBI,
CIA, the national guard and the local police. Yet we had to courage to
stand up for our beliefs despite the REAL dangers that we faced.
No, rather than hiding we stood up, and let it be know who we were.
So when you teenagers find the courage to stop hiding, and stand up for
what you claim to believe in, then come back with your *big* talk.
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata, DTS, OD
I can see you're not a student of spelling.
> I am not bragging, or saying it was the right thing to do, but when we
> decided to protest, we did not hide behind other's IP's and bring down a
> web site. We took over the entire campus, not hiding behind masks.
And when you say "we" how bout some specifics? Were you some kind of
protester in the 1960s then? Took over an entire campus? Which one?
> We faced real bullets, we went to real jail and some of us go shot and
> died.
Where? When?
> Some of us went to court and served hard time for out beliefs.
Freudian slip? "out beliefs"? You must have secretly wanted to type "out
ethics", mmm?
> We didn't have some mindless cult members observing us, we had the FBI,
> CIA, the national guard and the local police. Yet we had to courage to
> stand up for our beliefs despite the REAL dangers that we faced.
In an as yet unknown place or time. Let's be specific when you bray on
about participating in something, m'kay?
> No, rather than hiding we stood up, and let it be know who we were.
When? Are you now hiding behind a past 40 years behind us, much like
Scientology likes to claim big numbers from hopefully-unverifiable
locations? Be specific.
> So when you teenagers find the courage to stop hiding, and stand up for
> what you claim to believe in, then come back with your *big* talk.
Hah, you buy the cult line about Anonymous being a bunch of young hacker
types. No surprise there, it's just publicly silly of you to deny reality
so often, and with such fervor.
If there were ONE "OT" we wouldn't be here, or in front of the "orgs" every
month. This newsgroup would never have existed.
Not a big student of history, are you?
--
SP Goodman
The Usually Right "Reverend" Norle Enturbulata DDT, DTS
*
http://www.flickr.com/photos/enturbulata
http://www.youtube.com/user/Enturbulata
http://tinyurl.com/yre7c6
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.com
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.scientology-kills.org
*
* " You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way
you can control anybody is to lie to them."
* -- L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"
*
* "...Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her
crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes
exist...."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, "Critics of Scientology", November 5, 1967
*
* "Rather than give psychotics such treatment it would be far kinder to kill
them immediately and completely..."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, "Science of Survival", p117
john...@gmail.com
it is so off the wall, I can't resist.
First of all, I have to say "Are your finger broke" or "you forgot how
to google"?
I suspect you know better, but anyway I'll play along.
Try "student protests vietnam" or "Kent state".
As I said, in the long run we were pretty foolish, because in the end it
amounted to nothing. The Iraq war shows what a waste it was.
However, we had the guts to face what ever it took. And we were not just
worried about somebody perhaps killing our cat and calling our boss, or
filing some trumped up trespassing charges. Compared to what we and the
civil rights protesters faced, the cultists are nothing.
Then you can go back to before that to the civil rights protests, where
white teenagers rode the freedom buses and got the crap beat out of
them, and the black people that got lynched for protesting.
They didn't have to hide. They were proud to take what they had to. They
faced insurmountable odds with bravery.
If you are that scared, then do what you must, but don't come off with
crap like "once the horde is released, there's no stopping them. ..."
thats just silly talk. Because the truth is none of you are that
committed to the cause.
And why should you be? The civil rights movement and the anti war
movement were much bigger issues of much greater importance. I mean lets
be honest, that is a true statement.
Also, you were raised in a different way. Your parents were way over
protective, so I can understand the fear you have, but it is sad that
you are so cowed. I only wish you could take these examples of true
commitment.
If they day comes that I do attend a protest, you can be sure I will be
willing to give them my name and address and say "take you best shot".
For one thing, I have nothing to hide, and would relish the chance to
take them on.
And until that day comes when you can all do that, you have not
accomplished much, because at this point you are the ones running
scared, probably from a phantom menace.
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata, DTS, OD
<john...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vFNXj.11228$Xv3...@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
Kindly let us all know why it's silly, or off-the-wall. I happen to know a
number of people who were beat up in Chicago '68, as well as Kent State. So
I asked the poster using the moniker "The Answer" to be specific. He/she
wasn't really posting anything but vague reference points to a possible
participation in some event involving the police and gunfire. Not words
like "Kent State" or "Chicago", hm?
So how's it "silly" or "off the wall" to ask for some less-vague information
from "The Answer"? Should I be treating the poster like some kind of devine
oracle, then?
Jommy Cross
wrote in msg <BMCXj.10925$Xv3....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>:
>
>> I took the time to read what you say in the second paragraph. You're not
>> saying rational things there.
>>
>Jommy,
>
>Ok, I suppose rational is a matter of your point of view. The point is I
>am not calling names, accusing every one of lying, or of being a forger.
You didn't read what you'd written, as I quoted it. It made no sense to
anyone.
>
>So I don't see why you consider this trolling.
Where did I say it was?
> I have my ideas which
>differ from yours, but I did not come here being rude or outrageous in
>my mannerisms.
Your ideas include announcing the death of anonymous protests against Co$
and falsely announcing a date change in an attempt to bolster your
prediction.
<7NnTj.28493$DY1....@bignews5.bellsouth.net>
<iVNUj.797$255...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>
So, you think making false announcements about public events isn't rude or
outrageous behavior?
>
>I foresee the June activities dropping to new lows, as I said the
>teenagers have become bored.
Your last prediction was way off. Numbers were down, but your prediction
was "big failure".
>
>"Finals" is a very shallow excuse, as I am sure they could have taken a
>few hours break if they cared.
>
>All that I have said has come to pass.
You mean the date was changed? Bullshit it was.
smith....@yahoo.com
know a
number of people who were beat up in Chicago '68, as well as Kent
State. So
I asked the poster using the moniker "The Answer" to be specific. He/
she
wasn't really posting anything but vague reference points to a
possible
participation in some event involving the police and gunfire. Not
words
like "Kent State" or "Chicago", hm?"
Rev,
I think he made his point. Regardless of what you believe or what side
you are on, what he said is true as far as the protests in the 60's.
Why would one specific indecent from that era make it true or not
true? I don't see what point you are making in this respect?
Fredric L. Rice
>t_shuffle wrote:
>> Epic fail. A thinly veiled attempt at begging folks to please quit
>> protesting in front of the orgs.
>> I love it when they show us what works.
>"Wouldn't you rather be saving whales, or solving world hunger?"
>Yeah, we'll get right on it. After we're done here.
When I was in the anti-fascism protests in Los Angeles, I walked
past a bunch of dazzled Scientology customers who had no idea what
was going on. When they found out that twenty or thirty thousand
people were protesting against the Bush regime's war crimes, the
Scientology customers tried to sell us books "to end war." The
irony compelled laughter.
---
Christian terrorism is far worse than Islamic terrorism
hax...@gmail.com
Christian terrorism ?
obscene dog
<utlimat...@b101010.com> wrote:
>So, as I have said it is a foolish waste of time. The mainstream media
>is not even aware of it. The orgs are only mildly annoyed at the local
>level.
>
>These poor teenagers are ruining their future for nothing.
If the (b)orgs are "only mildly annoyed" why on earth would the
futures of these poor teenagers be ruined?
Are you saying the Cult would declare these poor teenagers SP and Fair
Game and ruin their futures because they were "mildly annoyed"?
I think you are a lying sack of crap who can't get his story straight.
--
Don't get in front of me.
What the... Oh, shi-
hax...@gmail.com
Game and ruin their futures because they were "mildly annoyed"?
Well you never know what those crazies would do.
The Answer
Thats my point.
obscene dog
Liar.
You don't want the "poor teenagers" to stop protesting because their
welfare is paramount to you. You just want them to stop protesting.
Well, that may happen eventually but in the meantime, you and the Cult
will have to put up with it.
<cock pocket Newton>
That is an ORDER and you WILL live with it.
</cock pocket Newton>
obscene dog
Catholic schools run by nuns.