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STATEMENT OF MARIA PIA GARDINI

I, Maria Pia Gardini declare as follows:

1. I am over the age of 18 years.

2. The statements herein are of my own personal knowledge and if called
upon as a witness, I can testify competently thereto.

3. My name is Maria Pia Gardini. I am an Italian citizen.

4. I became involved in Scientology through the Narconon program. My
daughter went into the program and at this time she gave me some books to read
about Scientology. After 8 months or so she finished her program and told me
she wanted to continue studying Scientology. My mother and I paid for her
auditing up to OT VII.

5. After she was on the OT levels, she convinced me to meet some of the
people in the Rome org. They convinced me to do the purification rundown and
to try auditing, so I bought one intensive of "book one" auditing.

6. I started the purification rundown: on the second day I blew (left
suddenly) the sauna. I was scared to death of being in the heat for four to
five hours. I was 49 years old and felt I would die. Members of the org came
to my home and convinced me to return and keep doing it. They said I was just
going through something and if I continued, I would get out of it. So, I
returned and finished the rundown. I quickly told them I was done, and I was
done.

7. I then started the auditing. My father was dead and I had always been
sad about his death. When I started auditing, my auditor was a very warm and
kind woman and we audited almost the whole 12 hours that I had purchased on my
father's death. I went through a lot of emotions talking about his death,
crying and laughing and at the end I did feel better.

8. I then decided to continue. I wanted to buy another intensive, but I
was regged to buy 10 intensives more of book one auditing. Meanwhile, they
also sold me an academy package so I could study to myself become an auditor.
Soon, I was getting auditing 3-4 hours a day and studying an additional several
hours a day.

9. When I attested the completion of book one, I was told I had to
continue to handle the many more areas of my life. I then bought all the
Scientology Grades auditing plus NED (New Era Dianetics.)

10. I started on the objectives. This was the first failure for me. Doing
a drill called "Op Pro by Dup" involving repetitive actions with a book and
bottle, I became so upset I threw the bottle at my auditor and tore up the book
used in the auditing. The auditor had to physically restrain me to keep me in
the room.

11. Before I had just done auditing where I had talked a lot, so of course
one will feel better talking about their problems. Now, this was something
different.

12. I ended up slapping the auditor and running from the room. I ran home
and that evening four staff members came to get me. They explained to me that
I had lost control and if I finished the auditing I would regain control. I
returned with them and finished the auditing.

13. I then audited the Grades 0-IV. I did not have any great achievements
during these. It was just sit there and listen and talk to the auditor. I
told the C/S that I didn't have any "wins" on this (I in fact told everyone
this), but they reminded me that I had had a lot of wins before on my book one
and the grades were just to stabilize me for my OT levels. They told me to
just continue.

14. Then, they tried to audit me on NED, but after all the hours of book
one I was desperate…I had already talked about everything! I became sick and
was interviewed by someone who said I had to do the CCRD. I had paid for 12 ½
hours of NED and audited for 25 minutes. When I tried to get the money back
for these unused hours they said no, I paid for the intensive and I had started
it. So that was the end of that money (about $2000.)

15. I then went to Rome and while I was there a "mission" arrived from CLO
Italy to recruit people into the Sea Organization (SO.) They wanted me to join
and worked very hard on me. I agreed and they gave me a contract for 1 billion
years.

16. In the mean time I had done the class IV internship. They now wanted
me to start in the SO, but I wanted to go attest to clear first. I bought CCRD
in Copenhagen AOSH and went to do it. I was told, because I was a Sea Org
member the room and board would be free. When I arrived, I was told "Free?
CLO Italy doesn't have any money on account here." I had to pay for myself.

17. They put me in a hotel that was owned by the church called "Nordland."
It was like a pigsty; so dirty. I found one room that was less dirty than the
others and did not have other people in it.

18. At this point I was now a class V auditor. It was terrible in
Copenhagen. I was given an auditor who was Swiss German who did not speak
Italian, but something similar. I started eligibility with him and the session
went on and on and on because I could not understand him. I was supposed to
stay there two weeks but was there two months. Then, I was told I had to buy
more intensives. I explained the language problem, so they switched auditors.
He spoke good Italian, so I finished eligibility in two hours then moved to the
CCRD. I then attested to clear.

19. Clear is supposed to be an expanded person. I did not feel this. I
really wanted badly to go back to Italy. When I did go back, I simply changed
suitcases and went to Milano to train for the Sea Org.

20. Now, I was put in the kitchen to cook for 70 staff members. This was
terrible. Then, they wanted me to wash dishes. I said no. I never have
washed dishes in my life. I had my car there so I left again. I went back
home for 2 days before they came and got me. This whole time my daughter was
progressing in Scientology. She was at Flag and I was afraid that they would
tell her I was misbehaving and she would be upset with me. So, I went back.
When I went back, they told me I was done with the first phase of my training.

21. I then told them I had to go back to Rome to close up the house. In
Rome, there was another mission to get people to do the OT levels in
Copenhagen. I bought a package for OT I-III. I wrote for permission to do
these levels instead of going to work. I received this permission and went to
Copenhagen to do my OT levels.

22. While I was doing my levels in Copenhagen, I was paying my own room and
board and then they asked me to start auditing their pcs.

23. I went onto OT I. It was bullshit. You walked around by yourself and
"spotted" things.

24. In the middle of it I went into a coffee shop…I expanded myself on
good coffee. After a couple of hours I went back and they asked me if I had
any wins. I said, "sure sure," so they sent me to attest to being done.

25. The next day I started doing OT II. On this you run dichotomies. You
have a long list of whole track implants like electric implants and talking
implants etc. You have to run down the track to run them out. It is solo
auditing and it is done by talking aloud to yourself.

26. When I went in session, I hade to spot a light and from there run the
implant. Then, I read my meter and ran back and forth the dichotomies of the
implant. While doing this I was in a place where thin dividers divided the
walls and you could hear other people running their implants. Also, the wall
was painted black and I couldn't see the light. I wrote the C/S and asked him
"Where is the light!"

27. The next day trying to audit, there was a circus behind the building
and I could hear the elephant. The next day I wrote I could not find the
light, but I did find the elephant.

28. In the end, I ran off three implants, said I could find no more and
asked to move on. I then attested to OT II. I also did the old clearing
course and OT II is this same thing manipulated around a bit.

29. Now, I start OT III. This is what I really wanted, what all of us
Scientologists wanted. It is the big mystery: the Wall of Fire.

30. I opened the course materials, read what was before me, and closed the
book. This was the wall of fire? I had already read this.

31. At this time, I was a huge science fiction fan. Now, I was racking my
brain about this story about Xenu and the battle with the loyal officers. I
had heard this story before but could not remember where. The story involves
an "evil galactic overlord" named Xenu who was captured 75 million years ago
and put into an electric trap, and you have these electric strips, like in the
department stores, and LRH tells you that beings (called thetans) were brought
to the planet earth back then and trapped with these electronic strips and put
into a volcano then blown up and they are now stuck all over people's bodies.
Now, I feel that I have a full population in my body! There were people in the
room passing out when reading this. I am not so impressionable.

32. That night when I went to bed I was wondering where are all these
beings (now called body thetans) in my body?

33. The day after studying about OT III, I started to audit it in my
bedroom in the Nordland hotel. You are supposed to talk to your body thetans
and make them go away from you. Each night I took my auditing folder to the
C/S, carrying it in a suitcase with a chain attached to my wrist. We had to do
this to ensure the confidentiality of the very secret materials.

34. When I did my first session, my needle was stuck. I got so angry that
the needle started to move. Then I said, "I found a body thetan," and started
to audit. I think I was auditing my rage.

35. I audited 100 hours on OT III. This was a lot; almost double what many
people audit, but I wanted to be certain that I had all of these body thetans
gone. The "End Phenomenon" of OT III is that all of your body thetans are now
gone. So, I was convinced all my body thetans were gone and I attested to
being finished with OT III.

36. Now, I said, I will go back to my post in Italy. No, I am told, I must
stay and do OT IV and V. I say I do not have the money in Copenhagen to pay
for these levels. That night, from 8:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. they regged me to
purchase these OT levels.

37. I finally called my mother to borrow money and she was very angry with
me, but she did send me the money. So, now I start OT IV.

38. What do I read in the OT IV materials? That I now have to handle "Body
Thetan Clusters. I said what? More BTs? I was told yes, now I am handling
drugs on the "whole track": all drugs I ever did and the drugs the body
thetans did. These body thetans, you see, were not gone after OT III because
they were "druggies." Ok, I said. Let's get rid of the druggie body thetans.

39. I did this level and attested that I was now free from druggie body
thetans.

40. Now, I go to do OT V. An auditor audits this. I get an HCOB to read
and what is in this HCOB? BT's and clusters! I say, "I don't have any more!"
and he says, "Yes you have. These BT's are sleeping and you have to wake them
up. Then you give them an identity and they will go away."

41. I now figured what the hell. I had done OT IV; let's do V. At this
time you have to make up things to keep yourself going.

42. So, the auditor command is "Look at your body (not with your eyes) and
locate a cluster." When the auditor gets a read he says, "Where is this?" I
say, "On the knee!" I then had to telepathically communicate with the BT and
ask it "What are you?" The BT says, "a banana." You tell the auditor "a
banana." Or it says, "a piece of paper" or whatever comes into your head and
the auditor says "Ok…tell him that is the item;" for example "The banana is the
item." I tell him the item is the banana and at that point the BT can blow or
he can stay there. If he doesn't blow on the "What" question you ask him "Who
are you?" You get all sorts of names here: Napoleon, Julius Caesar, John
Travolta, whoever! You tell all these to the auditor. He gets a read and
tells you which name is the right one. Then the BT will blow. These are the
only two commands.

43. I did this for 40 hours. Then, I attested to OT V.

44. While I had been auditing, there was a raid in Italy and all of the
organizations were closed. When I returned to Italy after OT V, the entire org
of Roma had moved into my apartment (they had called me in Copenhagen and asked
to move into my apartment.) I had instructed my building superintendent to let
them in but to not give them a key. They somehow got a key and made a copy
anyway. They were there all the time…the whole building was protesting.

45. So, when I returned, I made them leave. I found them another apartment
and paid for the first two months of rent. It took five days for a cleaning
company to clean my apartment, it was such a mess.

46. Now, I went to CLO in Milano to work. They were working in a hotel
because they had lost their building to the government. I wondered what the
hell I was doing there. I had no job to do. We had Int (International
Management) missions in to handle the problems while I was paying the hotel for
everyone in CLO. I figured I would go on to do OT VI and OT VII. One of my
seniors thought this would be good for me to do. At this moment, I was running
out of money. So, to do these levels I sold my apartment in Rome. My mother
was very, very angry with this. She told me I was crazy and they will ruin me.
She was right.

47. Now, I come to Flag. Again, I was supposed to get room and board
because I was a staff member. Bah. No room and board! I have again to pay
for myself.

48. I now go onto the OT VI course and what is there? BODY THETANS AND
CLUSTERS! The questions were the same two as on OT V. "What" and "Who." I
almost went nuts. When I protested I was told it was the same procedure but
the fact that I was doing it solo made it different and better. They told me
that body thetans were everywhere. The materials also explained that my body
was not a body at all, but a mass of BT clusters. If they were not there, my
body would be translucent.

49. I went into session on OT VI. At the end, I attested that I had
completed OT VI, not that I had no more BTs.

50. Now, I moved to OT VII. Now, the end phenomenon of this level is: NO
BT'S LEFT OF ANY KIND. NO SLEEPING BTS' NO DRUGGIE BT'S NOTHING. One thing I
audited on OT VII was suppressive BTs.

51. Sometimes, you have a BT that will blow only from your body to the
door, so you have to mock up a scissors to cut the string that is keeping them
attached to your body. Also, you have BTs in layers, so you have to mock up a
hand to brush them off.

52. I never went to my home to audit; I stayed at the Sand Castle and
audited for 8 months. When I wasn't auditing I studied to be a class IX
auditor and was auditing public pcs.

53. When I attested to OT VII, Captain Ron Norton called me. I was
validated as being a class IX auditor and OT VII completion. What the hell was
I going to do with it? They asked me to sign on to work at Flag and they would
send another auditor to Italy to replace me. I told them to call my senior.

54. In Italy they were still trying to open up the orgs. My senior did
agree, though I said I had to go back to Italy to finish up and prepare. I did
this.

55. When I arrived to start working at Flag, I was told that they would put
me in the Sand Castle hotel because there is no room at the Hacienda. The Sand
Castle was dirty and had unbelievable cockroaches.

56. They told me I had to pay 10% of what a public would pay, since it was
a public room. When they took me to the room there was no furniture, no bed
nothing. I complained but was told it was too late at night to do anything. I
was told to sleep in a chair. I said no, I just arrive after 10 hours of
travel. It was February 8 and cold. I ended up sleeping on the carpet.

57. The next day I refused to go to work unless I received a bed. They
then showed me a bed that had been outside in the garden; they were going to
throw it away. It was so dirty I would not put my dog on that mattress. It
had holes where rats had eaten it. I absolutely refused. I told them I would
start work on Monday. I went to the store and bought myself a bed, blankets,
chair and sheets. I had it all brought to the Sand Castle.

58. After one month, I was told they had a place in the Hacienda Gardens
for me. So, I put my stuff together and they took me to the Hacienda. When
they opened the door, I plugged my nose it stunk so badly. There were eight
beds one atop of the other. At this point I said take me to the captain.

59. I went to the Captain and told him I will not live like this. I want
to go back to Italy. He said no, we have a small apartment in the Hacienda
that we rent. We will give it to you for half price. I agreed to this and
paid $400 per month (this turned out to be full price.)

60. Now, I moved into this apartment. At the end of the first month, five
other people were sleeping in this apartment. They were putting staff members
in my paid for apartment. These people would eat my food and drink my water.
I returned to the captain.

61. I said enough is enough. You broke all your promises and I want to go
home. The captain told me to return to the Hacienda, wait three days and he
will come visit me and we will take care of this.

62. In the mean time, I called an area realtor and arranged to purchase a
condominium. By the time I met with the captain, I had my new home. At first,
he told me no, I couldn't stay off the base. I said it was this or nothing.
He told me to write a CSW, which I did, and he approved it. Thus, I had
special permission to live outside of sea org quarters.

63. So, I started to audit again. Then, there was a change of captains.
Ron Norton went to Gold and Debbie Cook became the captain. This was in 1988.
When Debbie Cook became captain, my real problems started.

64. First, she wanted me to move back to the Hacienda, or she insisted that
I share my condo with other staff members. I told her no to both. At this
time, I was almost every week the auditor with the most hours in the chair and
that year I won the worldwide highest auditing hours cup at the Auditors Day
celebration. At this point, I was a money making machine for them.

65. I was always on the chair auditing. In September of 1990 I received a
phone call from Italy saying my daughter was in the hospital in Pavia in Italy
and I had to go to her at once. I CSW'd to go see her and it was approved.

66. I returned to Italy and two months later, my daughter died: November
18, 1990. She was 29 years old and an OT VII.

67. A bit before I left, however, I asked the senior C/S, Kathy Webb, to
give me a program to audit my daughter because she was OT VII. This was to
help her physically. The answer was, with AIDS, she will die. What program do
you want? Give her a program to drop the body. Of course, I never did such a
process on her. You don't go to a sick person and say, "I give you a program
to drop your body."

68. Also in 1989 or 1990 they started releasing OT VIII. I was told to buy
a package on the Freewinds because this is the only place OT VIII was delivered
due to its extreme confidentiality. I bought a package, but then I went to
Italy because of my daughter.

69. Two days after my daughter's death, I took her to the cemetery to bury
her in our family mausoleum. On this day, I was recalled to Flag. My daughter
was not yet buried. Flag phoned me and spoke to my mother, who told them to
fuck off and leave me alone and forget my phone number. She was heavily
against Scientology.

70. When I spoke with them I told them my daughter had left a daughter of
11 years old, Camilla, and I could not leave immediately. The called me every
day, several times a day to get me to come back immediately. They called with
no regard to the 6-hour time difference between the USA and Italy. They would
call at 4:00 a.m. and wake up the whole house of grieving people to demand my
return.

71. On the 29th of November, 11 days after my daughter's death, I returned
to Flag. I left my granddaughter with her stepfather and my mother. When I
returned to Flag I was very angry and the staff at Flag were astonished at
this. They could not understand why I would be mad. I then went right back to
work, but I was not able to produce as well as I had before. Because of this,
they decided to send me to the ship to do my OT VIII.

72. The ship was in the Bahamas. I had to buy my own ticket to get there.
When I arrived, I also had to pay for my own room and board. I didn't want to
sleep in the staff berthing below decks, as it was extremely hot down there,
like 100 degrees. I could not do this. As soon as I arrived, instead of
starting my own program I was put to work auditing others on their sec check
for OT VII and OT VIII eligibility. I was very valuable to them as I could
audit in three languages: English, Italian, and French.

73. Soon after I arrived, Milt Wolf, one of the ship captains, and David
Light, a registrar, sat with me and regged me to buy books and materials. They
also sold me a gold OT bracelet that cost thousands of dollars. They sat with
me and would not let me go until I had bought and bought. I ended up buying an
extra suitcase to carry all the materials I had bought. Eventually, I arrived
in the course room to start OT VIII.

74. The OT VIII material was titled "Truth Revealed." When I opened the
materials and read the data, I went nuts. I couldn't believe what I was
reading. BODY THETANS!

75. Basically on OT VIII you run processes from the "History of Man" book,
right down to clams. You have to go down the track to clam, figure out an
overt, then locate a BT (not cluster; you communicate telepathically and figure
out the overt, write it down and ask the BT with the meter: "Is it yours?"
"Is it mine?" When you get a read, you indicate who's it is and get an FN and
move on. This is the truth revealed.

76. On all levels above OT III when you audit you always ask if the read is
the person's or the BT's read.

77. I was so upset with OT VIII that I talked to the supervisor. She told
me to just do it and I will be amazed at the wins I will have getting rid of
overts off all the BTs from the whole track. I wanted to get out of there but
there I was in the middle of the ocean. I was furious! I was just ordering
BTs on a sec check (Scientology Security Check.)

78. The night I attested to OT VIII, I went ashore with some friends to see
the casino in Nassau. Guess who was gambling there? David Miscavige, Guillame
Leserve and Ray Mithoff. Isn't gambling an overt in Scientology? When I saw
this, I was ready to leave Scientology. Between the gambling and the OT VIII,
it was like garbage. I wanted to leave, but this was very difficult.

79. When I was finished, (this was December 1990) I returned to Flag. Now,
I was trying to figure out how to leave Scientology. The occasion came in
October 1991 when I received a call that my mother was in hospital and very,
very sick. Now, I could return to Italy.

80. I CSW'd to leave. My CSW was NOT approved. I went to the Captain to
talk to her and she told me no, it was not important that my mother was dying.
It was only a body. I must stay at Flag and produce for Scientology.

81. I again CSW'd to leave. Instead of giving it to the Captain, I gave it
to my DofP (Director of Processing) for OT eligibility. Then, I went to my
condo, packed my suitcase, went to the airport, bought a ticket and went to
Italy.

82. I thought I would be declared a blow, but after four days in Italy I
received, by fax, the CSW I had written. It was approved. My mother died
December 11, 1991.

83. On the 21st of December, Flag started regging me for the money I was
inheriting from my mother's death. Please see my other affidavit for the
completion of this story.

I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States of
America and the state of Florida that the foregoing is true and correct.

Executed in Grosetto, Italy this 14th day of February 2001

Maria Pia Gardini

mimus

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Stacy Brooks <stacy...@lisatrust.net> wrote:

>STATEMENT OF MARIA PIA GARDINI
>
>I, Maria Pia Gardini declare as follows:

<snippet:>

>55. When I arrived to start working at Flag, I was told that they would put
>me in the Sand Castle hotel because there is no room at the Hacienda. The Sand
>Castle was dirty and had unbelievable cockroaches.

Undoubtedly the infamous palmetto lobsters, invariably impressive to
newcomers.

(Great expose all down the list of the frauds and "boiler room"
tactics of Co$.)

--
.sigzip*

Mike O'Connor

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Mar 3, 2001, 12:35:30 AM3/3/01
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In article <63a0at8bpkclps1j2...@4ax.com>,
Stacy Brooks <stacy...@lisatrust.net> wrote:

> 10. I started on the objectives. This was the first failure for me.
> Doing a drill called "Op Pro by Dup" involving repetitive actions
> with a book and bottle, I became so upset I threw the bottle at my
> auditor and tore up the book used in the auditing. The auditor had
> to physically restrain me to keep me in the room.


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The lowest level of auditing in Scientology consists of what are called
the "objective processes." These are often programmed for a newcomer to
Scientology after he has completed the introductory course. The stated
purpose of these drills is "to get the preclear more in touch with his
environment (reality)." The hypnotic content of these drills, however,
could indicate that they were conceived to do just the opposite.

One of the most frequently used of the "objectives" is a process called
"Opening Procedure by Duplication," or, more familiarly, "OP Pro by
Dup." In this process the preclear is taken into a room in which two
objects are placed, usually on a table, several feet away from each
other, so that the preclear has to walk to get from one to the other.

The commands of this drill are:

"Go over to the book."
"Look at it."
"Pick it up."
"What is its color"
"What is its temperature?"
"What is its weight?"
"Put it down in exactly the same place."
"Go over to the ashtray."
"Look at it."
"Pick it up."
"What is its color?"
"What is its temperature?"
"What is its weight?"
"Put it down in exactly the same place."
"Go over to the book..."
Etc.

This drill may be done for several hours at a time, "until the preclear
can do it without delay, without protest, without apathy, but with
cheerfulness."

-- Marjorie Wakefield
"Understanding Scientology"
<http://www.entheta.net/entheta/books/us/us-06.html>

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

--
SCIENTOLOGY IS SECRETLY A UFO CULT
ASK THEM ABOUT XENU

Mike O'Connor <http://www.leptonicsystems.com/>

Ted Mayett

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>STATEMENT OF MARIA PIA GARDINI
>

Maria, for 6 of years of reading, I have learned more from this right
now. thank you. You are quite brave.


Roland

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Mar 3, 2001, 2:47:34 AM3/3/01
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If you are a Scientologist reading this newsgroup and you only have time
to read one post every ten years then I hope you read this part one of
Maria's Declaration.

And in ten years time read part two.

Roland

--
"I notice that we all believe that Venus has a methane atmosphere and
is unlivable. I almost got run down by a freight locomotive the other
day -- didn't look very uncivilized to me." - L. Ron Hubbard,
"Between Lives Implants" lecture, SHSBC #317. 23 July 1963.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/Venusloc.ram

ptsc

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This immediately goes down into the list of best affidavits ever.

ptsc

Dave Bird

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In article<63a0at8bpkclps1j2...@4ax.com>, Stacy Brooks
<stacy...@lisatrust.net> writes:
>STATEMENT OF MARIA PIA GARDINI
>
>I, Maria Pia Gardini declare as follows:
>
>1. I am over the age of 18 years.
>
>2. The statements herein are of my own personal knowledge and if called
>upon as a witness, I can testify competently thereto.
>
>3. My name is Maria Pia Gardini. I am an Italian citizen.
>
>4. I became involved in Scientology through the Narconon program. My
>daughter went into the program and at this time she gave me some books to read
>about Scientology. After 8 months or so she finished her program and told me
>she wanted to continue studying Scientology. My mother and I paid for her
>auditing up to OT VII.


This is one of the most significant things on ARS recently, along
with the confirmation of asbestos on the Freewinds; and both of them
via the Lisa Trust. Very well done!


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(@ (@ before she was a virgin." GROUCHO MARX
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Ted Mayett

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Doesn't it Though.

Now my main pages, Pickets and Racism, do not apply to this.
But for any web site that mentions or discusses the OT Levels, well
this has got to be the best explanation ever. Easy to read and covers
it all. It needs to be webbed at a thousand sites.


Ted Mayett

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>STATEMENT OF MARIA PIA GARDINI

>68. Also in 1989 or 1990 they started releasing OT VIII.

This is what I mean, how could Mitch Talevi have done something called
New OT VIII in 1989, when OT VIII was just realeased at that time?


Ted Mayett

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>STATEMENT OF MARIA PIA GARDINI
>

I've read and read and read about the OT Levels, all kinds of stuff,
and never understood them until now. In fact, I'll never be able to
look at a scientology OT the same way again, I just have to hope I
don't burst out in laughter. I know this isn't funny, but on the
other hand it is funny.

I'm snipping this down to make it a comedy. And to someone who
doesn't know about scientology, about the abuse, the grief, the
deaths, about things like this. To someone who knew nothing at all,
this would be hilarious.


>
>23. I went onto OT I. It was bullshit. You walked around by yourself and
>"spotted" things.

>25. The next day I started doing OT II. On this you run dichotomies. You


>have a long list of whole track implants like electric implants and talking
>implants etc. You have to run down the track to run them out. It is solo
>auditing and it is done by talking aloud to yourself.
>

>29. Now, I start OT III. This is what I really wanted, what all of us


>Scientologists wanted. It is the big mystery: the Wall of Fire.
>

>31. At this time, I was a huge science fiction fan. Now, I was racking my


>brain about this story about Xenu and the battle with the loyal officers. I
>had heard this story before but could not remember where. The story involves
>an "evil galactic overlord" named Xenu who was captured 75 million years ago
>and put into an electric trap, and you have these electric strips, like in the
>department stores, and LRH tells you that beings (called thetans) were brought
>to the planet earth back then and trapped with these electronic strips and put
>into a volcano then blown up and they are now stuck all over people's bodies.
>Now, I feel that I have a full population in my body! There were people in the
>room passing out when reading this. I am not so impressionable.
>
>32. That night when I went to bed I was wondering where are all these
>beings (now called body thetans) in my body?
>

>35. I audited 100 hours on OT III. This was a lot; almost double what many


>people audit, but I wanted to be certain that I had all of these body thetans
>gone. The "End Phenomenon" of OT III is that all of your body thetans are now
>gone. So, I was convinced all my body thetans were gone and I attested to
>being finished with OT III.
>

>37. I finally called my mother to borrow money and she was very angry with

>


>48. I now go onto the OT VI course and what is there? BODY THETANS AND
>CLUSTERS! The questions were the same two as on OT V. "What" and "Who." I
>almost went nuts. When I protested I was told it was the same procedure but
>the fact that I was doing it solo made it different and better. They told me
>that body thetans were everywhere. The materials also explained that my body
>was not a body at all, but a mass of BT clusters. If they were not there, my
>body would be translucent.
>
>49. I went into session on OT VI. At the end, I attested that I had
>completed OT VI, not that I had no more BTs.
>
>50. Now, I moved to OT VII. Now, the end phenomenon of this level is: NO
>BT'S LEFT OF ANY KIND. NO SLEEPING BTS' NO DRUGGIE BT'S NOTHING. One thing I
>audited on OT VII was suppressive BTs.
>
>51. Sometimes, you have a BT that will blow only from your body to the
>door, so you have to mock up a scissors to cut the string that is keeping them
>attached to your body. Also, you have BTs in layers, so you have to mock up a
>hand to brush them off.
>

>74. The OT VIII material was titled "Truth Revealed." When I opened the

Perry Scott

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Stacy Brooks <stacy...@lisatrust.net> wrote:
: STATEMENT OF MARIA PIA GARDINI

:
: I, Maria Pia Gardini declare as follows:

: 10. I started on the objectives. This was the first failure for me. Doing


: a drill called "Op Pro by Dup" involving repetitive actions with a book and
: bottle, I became so upset I threw the bottle at my auditor and tore up the book
: used in the auditing. The auditor had to physically restrain me to keep me in
: the room.

Sounds to me like she had the proper cognition!

--
Perry Scott
Co$ Escapee

Perry Scott

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Mar 3, 2001, 10:57:10 PM3/3/01
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Stacy Brooks <stacy...@lisatrust.net> wrote:
: STATEMENT OF MARIA PIA GARDINI

: 23. I went onto OT I. It was bullshit. You walked around by yourself and
: "spotted" things.

Sounds like she had the EP of OT1 !

: 24. In the middle of it I went into a coffee shop…I expanded myself on


: good coffee. After a couple of hours I went back and they asked me if I had
: any wins. I said, "sure sure," so they sent me to attest to being done.

Good coffee beats bad auditine any day.

That's it! You've had a "cog". You are OatTee 1. That and a dollar
will get you another cup of coffee.

Perry Scott

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Mar 3, 2001, 11:16:10 PM3/3/01
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ptsc <pt...@my-deja.com> wrote:

: ptsc

Agreed. This is a 1st-person summary of Grades, Clear, NOTs, everything!
I'm webbing this on my "Scientology Doctrine" page.

XxxMisterEarlxxx

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Birgitta birg...@boberg.nu wrote:

>It is amazing how well this story reflects the core of the scn
>mentality.
>
>The scios are playing on all strings to make a person feel guilty for
>having money, and they are using the "help and responsibility
>buttons" in a person to suck it all out.
>
>This behaviour is a natural law in C of $ and to question it is of
>course suppressive.
>
>Bid

Good point.I too got that they were pushing the "guilt button".
I think the only data given on the source of Ms.Gardini's money was a family
business.If she grew up wealthy without having to work hard for all her
money,so much the better for making her feel guilty.I think that's certainly
true of the money she inherited at one point.
And the fact that so many of her fellow Scientologists couldn't afford
services (gee,I wonder why not?) would be obvious to any Scieno with money and
half a heart.Note that the heaviest regging was for "help" for Italian
Scienos,a "3rd Dynamic" group she obviously had affinity for.
I'd be willing to bet that she had many friends in Scn. who were poor as
church mice.(No play on words intended).She saw the dumpy,roach-infested
quarters that Sea Org members were crammed into.She was a Sea Org member who
was ~allowed to live off-base in her own condo~! Why? Because they knew there
would be more money coming,including an inheritance.
They knew their mark and her weaknesses.
Maybe the above will help some people understand a little more about how the
process works.
On another point,the dollar amounts here are truly staggering to the average
Joe or Jo trying to pay their bills.
But is it any less disgusting if the Registrars From Hell do it to someone
with a modest income,modest home,modest life savings, modest inheritance?
One more thing,for anyone who didn't pick up on it.Notice how Maria writes
several times "It was a Wednesday afternoon" or "On Thursday morning",etc?
What's that all about? Stats,baby,~stats~.Statistics.Thursday at 2 p.m. is
when all stats are counted in the CO$,and is the focus of all the pressure that
comes down on every staff member.But there is really only one stat that matters
in $cientology--"GI."
Gross Income.
And remember,Ethics is only applied to staff members that aren't producing.LRH
said so.

l.l.lipshitz

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Stacy Brooks (stacy...@lisatrust.net) sez:
| STATEMENT OF MARIA PIA GARDINI

[...]


| 48. I now go onto the OT VI course and what is there? BODY THETANS AND
| CLUSTERS! The questions were the same two as on OT V. "What" and "Who." I
| almost went nuts. When I protested I was told it was the same procedure but
| the fact that I was doing it solo made it different and better. They told me
| that body thetans were everywhere. The materials also explained that my body
| was not a body at all, but a mass of BT clusters. If they were not there, my
| body would be translucent.

[...]

translucent?? i've never head this before. (it
certainly gives a whole new meaning to 'going
clear':)

if this is truly what scn teaches, it raises some
interesting issues.

obviously, there has never been --not david
miscavige nor heber jentsch, or even lrh himself--
a successful scnist because you can still see them.

this is proof (tho we all know this) that there
are still ot levels yet to be released, because
the levels so far have not produced a translucent
scnist.

can i pick up the bt's that have blown from nicole
kidman? i much prefer the way her composite body
looks to my own.


-elle

-------------=[ l.l.lipshitz * elk...@min.net ]=-------------

oh, i'll bet you don't know what the number 8 really is.
it's a bag of money sitting on a bag of money. -lrh

Hud Nordin

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Mar 4, 2001, 5:44:26 PM3/4/01
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In article <slrn9a5cq3...@min.net>,
l.l.lipshitz <elk...@min.net> wrote:

> translucent?? i've never head this before. (it
> certainly gives a whole new meaning to 'going
> clear':)
>
> if this is truly what scn teaches, it raises some
> interesting issues.
>
> obviously, there has never been --not david
> miscavige nor heber jentsch, or even lrh himself--
> a successful scnist because you can still see them.
>
> this is proof (tho we all know this) that there
> are still ot levels yet to be released, because
> the levels so far have not produced a translucent
> scnist.

Come on, elle. You're not using the mind you gave yourself, back
when you were a god. Our body-thetan-infested eyes can't see the
translucence of operating thetans. Only an OT can perceive the
translucence of another OT.

Just watch a bunch of OTs some time. They are always running into
each other.

What to your or my eyes looks like transparent clumsiness, is in fact
the OTs' way of saying to each other: "I acknowledge your translucence."

--
Hud Nordin <h...@pobox.com> Silicon Valley

barb

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One more thing; she utterly refused to do certain things. No dishes, no
scut-work, period. (we share this trait, but I get by without butlers)
Anyway, there was a line she would not cross, and they knew it. When she
said she was moving off-post, I think her handlers knew well that, if
they didn't bend the rules a little, they'd lose her for good.

Here's a woman who reluctantly gave her money to the cult, yet stood
firm on certain other issues. It's a very interesting story of power
plays within the "church" of Scientology!
--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC
http://members.home.net/bwarr1/index.htm (this site is down right now.)
http://www.geocities.com/bwarr_2000/ mirror site

"Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now
every century, Scientology does weird and stupid things
to damage its own reputation."
-Steve Zadarnowski

"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"

Mike O'Connor

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In article <slrn9a5cq3...@min.net>,
elk...@min.net (l.l.lipshitz) wrote:


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

webbed at:
http://www.ezlink.com/~perry/CoS/Theology/dndoc.htm
(probably at lisatrust.net, too.)


From: Stacy Brooks <stacy...@mciworld.com>
Subject: My perspective on auditing
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:09:24 -0400
Organization:
The Lisa McPherson Trust
33 North Fort Harrison Avenue
Clearwater, Florida 33755
Telephone: (727) 467-9335
Fax: (727) 467-9345
Message-ID: <fhupmsk6kh1jtoovc...@4ax.com>

[...]

Then you begin OT 7, Audited NOTs. On this level you sit in an auditing
room all alone, holding both cans in one hand, locating BTs by meter
read, and auditing your BTs on the NOTs commands, "What are you?" and
"Who are you?" just as I described above, until they blow. The way you
know when a BT has blown, by the way, is that your needle starts to
float on the dial, signifying that there is nothing there any more. You
will continue to find BTs and audit them until your body begins to look
translucent, signifying that all of your BTs are gone.

By now you know that the entire physical universe is composed of BTs.
You know that the reason it is so important to get everyone on the
planet into Scientology and on the Bridge to Total Freedom is that it
will take every single person auditing all day long, every day, for
many, many years, to audit out all the body thetans that compose the
physical universe. You now share the most important secret of all,
because only now that you are on OT 7 do you know that the true goal of
Scientology is to make the physical universe disappear.

And that is why nothing can stand in the way of Scientology's forward
expansion. That is why anyone who tries to stop Scientology must be
ruthlessly moved out of the way. Truly, it is a matter of the greatest
good for the greatest number of dynamics! How can we be concerned about
the fate of one individual critic, or one individual Suppressive
Person, when the fate of the entire Universe is at stake?

Now when you read Keeping Scientology Working you truly understand what
LRH meant when he said: "The whole agonized future of this planet,
every man, woman and child on it, and your own destiny for the next
endless trillions of years depend on what you do here and now with and
in Scientology."

Now it is perfectly clear to you why LRH set up the Guardian's Office,
now known as the Office of Special Affairs, and said "The goal of the
Department is to bring the government and hostile philosophies or
societies into a state of complete compliance with the goals of
Scientology. This is done by high level ability to control and in its
absence by low level ability to overwhelm. Introvert such agencies.
Control such agencies. Scientology is the only game on Earth where
everybody wins. There is no overt [meaning crime] in bringing good
order."

This is what goes on in the mind of a high-level Scientologist.

[...]

Perry Scott

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l.l.lipshitz <elk...@min.net> wrote:

: Stacy Brooks (stacy...@lisatrust.net) sez:
: | STATEMENT OF MARIA PIA GARDINI
:
: [...]
: | 48. I now go onto the OT VI course and what is there? BODY THETANS AND
: | CLUSTERS! The questions were the same two as on OT V. "What" and "Who." I
: | almost went nuts. When I protested I was told it was the same procedure but
: | the fact that I was doing it solo made it different and better. They told me
: | that body thetans were everywhere. The materials also explained that my body
: | was not a body at all, but a mass of BT clusters. If they were not there, my
: | body would be translucent.
: [...]
:
: translucent?? i've never head this before. (it
: certainly gives a whole new meaning to 'going
: clear':)
:
: -elle

Perhaps "translucent" is the Italian-to-English translation.
"transparent" occurs several times in the NOTs.

From NED for OTs Series 27:

The ideal scene: A_transparent_body_which_does_not_interfere_with_the
sight_of_the_thetan_and_is_free_from_unwanted_sensations,_pains,_or
pressures. The primary error a thetan makes is mistaking these
BT/cluster masses for the body or mistaking another's pictures as his
own.

From NED for OTs Series 15:

This "solidity" he perceives as the body is composed of BTs and
clusters. The body becomes transparent to an OT to the degree he
clears this up. It is a "body" built of thetans -

From NED for OTs Series 17:

The Pre-OT may
comment that his actual body or walls or objects look flimsy or
transparent and this is actual OT or exterior perception, and become
aware that he is perceiving BTs and clusters where the body looks or
feels solid.

<fair use commentary for Ava>

I also recall an "EP for NOTs" (but my Reactive Mind is still
getting in the way) that says something about the OT "perceiving
his body as transparent" and "feeling very much himself." However,
I cannot find the reference.

At any rate, it's quite clear that Body Thetans are what make
up our bodies. Also, according to Hubbard (on another thread
on a.r.s.), the power[sic] of a thetan is "one kiloton light-year
per microsecond". I am not making this up. So, NOTs auditing is
rather hazardous indeed with all these high-energy Body Thetans
buzzing away from the OatTea's body until it becomes transparent.

Hubbard elsewhere states the weight of a thetan, which suggests that
these transparent bodies may indeed be what's left after all the
Body Thetans bug out.

</fair use commentary for Ava>


Perry Scott
Co$ Escapee

Ted Mayett

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On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 21:27:32 GMT, elk...@min.net (l.l.lipshitz) wrote:

>Stacy Brooks (stacy...@lisatrust.net) sez:
> | STATEMENT OF MARIA PIA GARDINI
>
>[...]
> | 48. I now go onto the OT VI course and what is there? BODY THETANS AND
> | CLUSTERS! The questions were the same two as on OT V. "What" and "Who." I
> | almost went nuts. When I protested I was told it was the same procedure but
> | the fact that I was doing it solo made it different and better. They told me
> | that body thetans were everywhere. The materials also explained that my body
> | was not a body at all, but a mass of BT clusters. If they were not there, my
> | body would be translucent.
>[...]
>
> translucent?? i've never head this before. (it
> certainly gives a whole new meaning to 'going
> clear':)
>
> if this is truly what scn teaches, it raises some
> interesting issues.
>
> obviously, there has never been --not david
> miscavige nor heber jentsch, or even lrh himself--
> a successful scnist because you can still see them.
>

Well maybe you and Koos can see Hubbard....

l.l.lipshitz

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Hud Nordin (h...@panix.com) sez:
| In article <slrn9a5cq3...@min.net>,
| l.l.lipshitz <elk...@min.net> wrote:
|
| > translucent?? i've never head this before. (it
| > certainly gives a whole new meaning to 'going
| > clear':)
| >
| > if this is truly what scn teaches, it raises some
| > interesting issues.
| >
| > obviously, there has never been --not david
| > miscavige nor heber jentsch, or even lrh himself--
| > a successful scnist because you can still see them.
| >
| > this is proof (tho we all know this) that there
| > are still ot levels yet to be released, because
| > the levels so far have not produced a translucent
| > scnist.
|
| Come on, elle. You're not using the mind you gave yourself, back
| when you were a god.

well, see, i was probably only a demi-god and gave
myself only a demi-brain.


|Our body-thetan-infested eyes can't see the
| translucence of operating thetans. Only an OT can perceive the
| translucence of another OT.

y'know, i was thinking about this. if we bt-infested
folks can't see translucent ot's, then there may
very well be successful scnists out there. how would
we know? we've never seen them!


| Just watch a bunch of OTs some time. They are always running into
| each other.
|
| What to your or my eyes looks like transparent clumsiness, is in fact
| the OTs' way of saying to each other: "I acknowledge your translucence."

ok, ok, now i'm catching on. ot's can appear
translucent to themselves and other ot's, because
they are perceiving their ot bodies with ot eyes.
we of the bt-infested crowd, still using our bt-
infested eyes, see them as normal solid beings.
got it.

then it would be simple for one ot to pick another
ot out of a lineup, right?

do ot's have secret greetings for when they pass
each other on the street and recognize one of their
own kind?

Message has been deleted

Dave Bird

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In article<ta65rg6...@corp.supernews.com>, Perry Scott

<pe...@ez0.ezlink.com> writes:
>l.l.lipshitz <elk...@min.net> wrote:
>: Stacy Brooks (stacy...@lisatrust.net) sez:
>: | STATEMENT OF MARIA PIA GARDINI
>:
>: [...]

>: |48. I now go onto the OT VI course and what is there? BODY
>: |THETANS AND CLUSTERS! The questions were the same two as
>: |on OT V. "What" and "Who." I almost went nuts. When I
>: |protested I was told it was the same procedure but the fact
>: |that I was doing it solo made it different and better. They
>: |told me that body thetans were everywhere. The materials also
>: |explained that my body was not a body at all, but a mass of
>: |BT clusters. If they were not there, my
>: | body would be translucent.
>: [...]
>:
>: translucent?? i've never head this before. (it
>: certainly gives a whole new meaning to 'going
>: clear':)
>:
>: -elle
>
>Perhaps "translucent" is the Italian-to-English translation.
>"transparent" occurs several times in the NOTs.

"Transparent" is correct. ("Translucent" = light can pass through it,
but the light is often diffused and spread out; "Transparent" = one
can see an image through it, as through glass). I have seen this
before several times.

>
>From NED for OTs Series 27:
>The ideal scene: A_transparent_body_which_does_not_interfere_with_the
>sight_of_the_thetan_and_is_free_from_unwanted_sensations,_pains,_or
>pressures. The primary error a thetan makes is mistaking these
>BT/cluster masses for the body or mistaking another's pictures as his
>own.

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Ted Mayett

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>38. What do I read in the OT IV materials? That I now have to handle "Body
>Thetan Clusters. I said what? More BTs? I was told yes, now I am handling
>drugs on the "whole track": all drugs I ever did and the drugs the body
>thetans did. These body thetans, you see, were not gone after OT III because
>they were "druggies." Ok, I said. Let's get rid of the druggie body thetans.
>

Oh my, all my witty ideas for a post are suddenly shattered. Suddenly
I understand something. The head monkey here at the big org,
Mary Gay, is a Natural OT IV. All these years I couldn't remember
her number, and now it comes back to me.

So what happened, what got rid of the wit (for the moment)...

What she did was to do OT III, and like Maria here she was shocked to
learn there are more BT's after having to Attest to having no more
BT's. My theory is that Mary handled this by cogniting that she is a
Natural #4. To support this is the fact that she has been a #4 for as
long as I can remember.

I won't be laughing at Mary if I cross her path anywhere, I won't be
laughing at any scientology ot's in fact, it would be cruel to do so.
This is very sad.

From the movie American Beauty:
"Never underestimate the power of denial."

Bob Willish

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Mar 8, 2001, 1:46:02 AM3/8/01
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On Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:10:32 -0500, Stacy Brooks
<stacy...@lisatrust.net> wrote:

(trimmed)

> 36. Now, I said, I will go back to my post in Italy. No, I am told, I must
> stay and do OT IV and V. I say I do not have the money in Copenhagen to pay
> for these levels. That night, from 8:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. they regged me to
> purchase these OT levels.

This is the same sleep deprivation technique used by the Viet Cong and
the Red Chinese.

Try http://xenu.net

William Barwell

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In article <k2r1at446ra6rfhcp...@4ax.com>,

Sighhhhhh.

It does confirm all the tales of Flag, the sea org, OTVIII,
clams and everything.

Clams!


Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope of Houston
Slack!

Paul Matulef

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Mar 31, 2001, 10:31:02 AM3/31/01
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The sad part is that for a million and a half dollars,
and a staff willing to work for room and board that
one could set up an auditing center, charge say, $50 an hour
and produce 10 times the number of successful auditing hours
than flag.

Ted Mayett

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On 30 Mar 2001 23:13:13 -0600, wbar...@starbase.neosoft.com (William
Barwell) wrote:


>Sighhhhhh.
>
>It does confirm all the tales of Flag, the sea org, OTVIII,
>clams and everything.
>

Well I never really understood those ot levels, never bothered to
read them, they sure are tough reading. Anyway, it was impressive how
she laid them out, the Levels, and what they addressed.

Maria's Declaration here gives us even more power over the average
member. It is now easier to introvert an OT lower than OT8.
You get one at level 3,4,5,6 or 7 and you can tell them precisely what
BT's they will audit next, even though they have already attested to
ridding themselves of all BT's. Should I find myself picketing again
I will carry parts of this Declaration with me, and recite from it.
It is legal, no copyright violations, and it will send them running if
they act stupidly.


Tommy

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Apr 1, 2001, 9:36:53 AM4/1/01
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Paul Matulef wrote:
>
> The sad part is that for a million and a half dollars,
> and a staff willing to work for room and board that
> one could set up an auditing center, charge say, $50 an hour
> and produce 10 times the number of successful auditing hours
> than flag.
>


But then who would pay for the lawyers, limos, and golf courses?

Tommy
--
"... it brings into focus more than anything else the refusal by the
defendants to live by the law -- their apparently intractable conviction
that they are somehow above the law. This is illustrated by Mrs.
Hubbard's statement on the witness stand that she and her codefendants,
including these two defendants, felt they could do to others whatever
they perceived, however erroneously, others were doing to them."

-- Sentencing Memorandum in US v. Kember and Budlong;
Criminal No. 78-401(2)&(3)

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