The idiotic "tech" of Truthseeker.
Michael Pattinson
A: Looking at the effect of "Truthseeker's" (Troughslurper,
Toothsqueaker, Turdsneaker, etc) spamming of a.r.s. it can only be that
OSA has set up the op to push real news of Scientology's scam off the
front page.
Q: Why would he both criticize Scientology and be an OSA operative?
A: I believe that the "tech" on this is that OSA regards a.r.s. as a
kind of "circuit", a kind of automated response mechanism, and LRH tech
on "blowing circuits" is to do what the circuit is doing or saying till
it just gets "duplicated" and stops. So TS spams vanilla criticism in
volume hoping it will stop ex-members posting.
Q: Is it effective?
A: No it isn't. Ex members are living people, not dead-forever just
because they left Scientology. They are not automated circuits. So TS's
"Tech' doesn't work, as has been abundantly shown. it just makes
Scientology look even more stupid. If Truthseeker gets OSA/Qual
cramming on this op he should re-read the P/L "Gluts PR". he is feeding
the fire of protest on a.r.s. not quenching it.
RolandRB
Michael Pattinson schrieb:
As somebody pointed out, this is known as a Yellow Op. It is where the
Church third-parties itself in a way that it is so overwhelming and
inane that people encountering it in high volume will assume all
criticism of the Church is done by nutcases and is all without
foundation.
What Truth Seeker is doing makes pefect sense, once you understand
that.
David Nebenzahl
As do your (and the O.P.'s) explanations of what Turdspeaker is doing. I
hope you'll keep this up periodically to assist in neutralizing this "tech".
--
Pierre, mon ami. Jetez encore un Scientologiste
dans le baquet d'acide.
- from a posting in alt.religion.scientology titled
"France recommends dissolving Scientologists"
Nelson W.Staffer
> RolandRB spake thus:
>
>> Michael Pattinson schrieb:
>>
THE TECH ALWAYS WROKS!!! BUT TRUTH SEEKER HAS NO TECH sO HIS POSTINGS
ONLY WORK IF YOU READ HIM, SO DON'T READ TURD SLURPER!!!! He just wants
to demonstrate that the TECH does not work, but it always works. And
would Truth Seeker in fact use L.RON HUBBARD'S TECH from THE CHRUCH OF
SCIENTLOGOY it would wrok of course.
THE TECH is the greatest inveniton of any person ever. There is nothing
beyond that TECH because if one uses it, it always works and one can
never fail anymore if one uses the TECH.
YOU CAN LEARN THE THEC TOO just ask oyur next ORG. Special spring offer:
ONLY 200 to LEARN THE TECH of L.RON HUBBARD AND IT IS FREE!!! (The 200
is only a donation for the homeless and the sick).
Nel
(Michael Pattinson here is a message form ME. Next time ask BY before
you post nonsense. Don't go overboard all the time, BILLY says you
really sucked with that and I have to do the wrok than, to keep things
straight for the f***wards and wog-nuts reading this newsgroup. You
Englishmen should stop celebrating the brithday of your Queen if that
causes those dumbwits all the time. Really.)
--
Hello my name is Nelson
I am a scientologist. In Los Angeles.
Sea Org (lifetime staffer, 1978-)
Flag June 1977-Jul 1989 (TTC, Sup, Word Clearer, D of T, etc.)
Int Base 1981-1980 (Routing Forms Pjt)
Snr HCO Int in the FB in LA 1987-898
Re-Training (Int and LA)
In Training Org, LA MA NY (Sec Checker Sup)
LRH Tech Research and Comps, CMO Int, EXT Tr HCOB (Sept 90 - 99)
Int RPF Ext Int staff(Feb-Mar 96)
PAC RPF RPF + (Hubard Qualified Auditior) (Mar-May 97)
Int Training Org (May-Sept) (Admin Supv)
INCOMMS Sep 96-Sept 03 (Routing Forms Pjtrlh)
INCOMM IRS (LRH qualified) Sept (Computer Room LA & Int)
ASI May 92-Dec05 ASCCII C++ java - dedrug(Computer Room, In-Training Esto)
Decks Int clear Ext + *** (Ron) (Dec 05-Jun 06)
Int RPF RPFFED(Jun 06-Nov 2000)
PAC RPF (Nov 2000-Mar2004)
OT 1 1969 (Aplo Ron)
Ot 7 2004 (DM audited: M auditor B)
Clear
Join SO and network to old Sea Org friends or
media call me! At any ORG ask for Nelson from time to time,
if you don't care they know that you have read ars that is,
and I will network anyone to Ron and M.Rinder, scientologist.
interesting websites:
http://www.ron-hubbard.org
www.truthabouthubbard.org
Magoo
"RolandRB" <rolan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1145776369....@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Yup........and I tried to say that, in so many words, years ago, and
was told, "You think everyone is OSA". No, I do not, but I sure
as hell can smell an OSA rat from a mile away, and this jerk
is running exactly the OSA programs!
Distract
Degrade
Divide
He's a 100% Floormat, and has now shown the world what Scientology will do
for you, and how far people "in" get from
their real purposes they joined for.
Is this ~honestly~ why you got into Scientology, TS?
Tory/Magoo~
>
Michael Pattinson
Muldoon
Michael Pattinson
David Nebenzahl
"op" is adaptible, because check out these recent subject headings:
o The best way to handle the church "Trolls" on this newsgroup is to
ignore them
o What you have to realize about the OSA trolls on this newsgroup 64
He's reading what the critics post and incorporating it in his stuff.
Interesting.
zeeorger
> You need to start a seperate file on "mikkiblack" or are they the same
> "person"?
Yea, and "Lily Firered" and several others ... they appear to be
the same staff, with a high turnover rate. And they are still using
the same old cheap-ass spam-bot program with a continuously
updated "payload" (as if that would make any difference).
The most pityful aspect of all this is that It looks like OSA
is STILL trying to "handle" ARS. These clueless out-ethics
idiots still think that there is a PR battle to be "won" on ARS -
If only they could apply THE 100% Standard Tech Formula,
but they keep sending in more staff as cannon fodder - the
cyber equivalent of carrion food.
I wish Lynn Farney would get a Clue. It was never a "PR
battle" to be "won" - its has always been about exposing the
true out-ethics nature of the leadership of the CoS, including
LRH.
As long as OSA keeps fighting a dirty hardball "PR battle"
they will keep loosing the "exposure battle" - every time !
All it talkes is for someone to open a new comm line. Time
Magazine to Rolling Stone. From Ron Jr in Penthouse to
"Hi ! My name is Zenu and I think scienotology sucks ..."
If the CoS wants to "handle" ARS to a win - they should
first clean up their own act. Not keep saying "that was a
long time ago" - Clean up your act ! Then (and only then)
they could say "that was a long time ago AND we no longer
do that" and have that BE a credible statement of fact.
In my opinion, it can not be done anymore. The cedibility
and ethics of the CoS is THAT low. Way too many lies ...
Z
barbz
But, Zee...they DO say, "that was a long time ago and we don't do that
any more!"
Unfortunately, they don't do it any less...
--
--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC
xenu...@netscape.net
"Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now
every century, Scientology does weird and stupid things
to damage its own reputation."
-Steve Zadarnowski
"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
"$cientology sees the world this way: One man with a picket sign:
terrorism. Five thousand people dead in a deliberate inferno: business
opportunity.
$cientology oozes _under_ terrorists to hide."
-Chris Leithiser
zeeorger
I was being a "hate filled religious bigot" - I get all serious and
upset at the pure insult of it, of having to turn such unworthy
cannon fodder opponets into cybernet carrion.
I just can't fathom the mental density required to keeping the
Truth Seeker persona up and running. TS is DAd and then they
go and create a fan for TS called "Lily" - OSA is treating this
as a soap opera.
Keep up the good work Lynn Farney, you are soooooo clever.
Z
Muldoon
For the sake of completeness, "Truth Seeker" also uses "Chess Master."
(barf...)
Muldoon
And, besides,"Truth Seeker"/"Chess Master" and "Lily"/"Brick"/to hard
to handle/Nelson staffer," there is a third player, "coffee."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_frm/thread/55d86fb36fbda465
banchukita
David Nebenzahl wrote:
> Hey, has anyone else noticed Turdseeper's recent mutations? I guess that
> "op" is adaptible, because check out these recent subject headings:
>
> o The best way to handle the church "Trolls" on this newsgroup is to
> ignore them
>
> o What you have to realize about the OSA trolls on this newsgroup 64
>
> He's reading what the critics post and incorporating it in his stuff.
> Interesting.
>
>
I wonder if s/he's really reading it, or if it's some kind of bot like
the sporgeries?
'Cause you know anyone who really read critical information would just
get all spinny...
-maggie, human being
banchukita
zeeorger wrote:
> thought...@gmail.com wrote:
> > You need to start a seperate file on "mikkiblack" or are they the same
> > "person"?
>
> Yea, and "Lily Firered" and several others ... they appear to be
> the same staff, with a high turnover rate. And they are still using
> the same old cheap-ass spam-bot program with a continuously
> updated "payload" (as if that would make any difference).
Hey...when that online poll about Tom Cruise was reported to be spiked
recently, where about a dozen computers in all were responsible for
14,000 happy votes for Tom, were they maybe the same computers? Was
there a dip in the a.r.s. action during the time the poll was active?
Same staff with high turnover...does that mean the same nick is shared
by more than one staffer, or that staffers have to take frequent breaks
from posting because they get all spinny reading a.r.s.?
-maggie, human being
Muldoon
The above in the "mockery" band of "crazy."
One of the "tricks" here is that Truth Seeker and/or Lily recommend
"truthabouthubbard.org" which is "over the top kooky," as though
Scientology Inc. needs to be exaggerated or distorted to look bizarre.
Apparently, there are several ideas at work, amongst them, "garbage in,
garbage out." Fill up (any data bank) with "garbage."
Then when someone walks into a Scientology Org, having been
contaminated by the Internet, it will be possible to say. "It's
garbage," "unreliable," "false," etc.
And also, "controlled criticism," where the _expectancy_ that there
must be some "criticism" is recognized (such as on a NG), and
Scientology Inc. - preemptively - "fills the vacuum" of that expectancy
with its own "safe" prepackaged "criticism."
Also, another construct, "M. Rinder" (not the actual person, Mike
Rinder), for a time, was posting the above URLs and calling Truth
Seeker an "SP.")
Clever, clever, clever!!!
Someone is going to have to catalogue all these gimmicks.
Below is an informative URL, re. Scientology Inc.'s history of messing
with NGs, etc.
zeeorger
> zeeorger wrote:
> > thought...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > You need to start a seperate file on "mikkiblack" or are they the same
> > > "person"?
> >
> > Yea, and "Lily Firered" and several others ... they appear to be
> > the same staff, with a high turnover rate. And they are still using
> > the same old cheap-ass spam-bot program with a continuously
> > updated "payload" (as if that would make any difference).
>
> Hey...when that online poll about Tom Cruise was reported to be spiked
> recently, where about a dozen computers in all were responsible for
> 14,000 happy votes for Tom, were they maybe the same computers? Was
> there a dip in the a.r.s. action during the time the poll was active?
>
> Same staff with high turnover...does that mean the same nick is
shared
> by more than one staffer, or that staffers have to take frequent
breaks
> from posting because they get all spinny reading a.r.s.?
Yes, both.
The original TS ("mouthpice for Droian") built up a series of articles
and then did low level spam by re-cycling his old posts. This TS was
ineffective because he was not very productive and could be ignored.
Then the operations crew changed, a much meaner bunch of low
lifes were brought in. "Space Traveler" was put out to pasture.
The new TS would interact with ARS and then start using a
spam-bot program to re-post his old articles. The interaction
with this TS started with Muldon and several other regulars
calling TS on his true colors. The operation falls apart as
the posts from TS go into heavy round the clock spamming
runs and is finally exposed as TS goes ISP hopping.
Evidence suggests that the staff member assigned to interact
with ARS as TS was burned out or replaced by the time "Chess
Master" appears. The posts from TS introducing "Chess Master"
were classic Scientology staff "non-E" formulas. The replacements
were some badly hatted staff. "Lily Firered" pops up as Thruth
Seeker's girlfriend, she is too much of a dingbat to be credible.
The current TS operator does not interact with ARS. The whole
operation is run by robots that run the spam-bot program. Per
policy "robotism" is a sign that other-determinism is at work.
The classic CoS cure for robotism is to send the staff to the
RPF (go figure).
There is some hope the "interactive TS" operator went into doubt
and that he will recover by actually starting to think.
Z
Muldoon
Per Standard LRH covert Intelligence Tech, there are to be multiple
channels, or avenues, of attack, overt and covert, but mostly covert -
or disguised - and these, combined, are done, over time, to win a "war
of attrition."
There are many variations.
Any "suitable guise" has a list of do's and don'ts, that define what it
is, can do, will appear to be, can say, etc.
In Truth Seeker's case, while brief bits of pre-written "Vanilla
criticism" can be recycled again and again, there can be NO mention of
certain items - one such item would be any BOOKs, that are critical of
Hubbard/Scn. Neither these book, nor their authors may be mentioned.
Truth Seeker was "probed" on this, a while back, and freaked out.
Muldoon
I think the freak out occurred on post #2 from Truth Seeker, on this
thread:
zeeorger
> Muldoon wrote:
> > zeeorger wrote:
> > > banchukita wrote:
> > > > zeeorger wrote:
> > > > > thought...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > You need to start a seperate file on "mikkiblack" or are they the same
> > > > > > "person"?
> > > > >
> >
> > Any "suitable guise" has a list of do's and don'ts, that define what it
> > is, can do, will appear to be, can say, etc.
> >
> > In Truth Seeker's case, while brief bits of pre-written "Vanilla
> > criticism" can be recycled again and again, there can be NO mention of
> > certain items - one such item would be any BOOKs, that are critical of
> > Hubbard/Scn. Neither these book, nor their authors may be mentioned.
> >
> > Truth Seeker was "probed" on this, a while back, and freaked out.
>
> I think the freak out occurred on post #2 from Truth Seeker, on this
> thread:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_frm/thread/52cee9f6ded8f845?q=truth+seeker%2C+books&
Yup, the "I can kill with a though" delusion running into a severe
reality
adjustment. Mental foot-bullet - ouch ouch ouch.
I would LOVE to meet up with the "interactive TS" version someday, have
a good laugh at the whole thing.
Z
Larry T.
news:1146059499.2...@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
other people keep mentioning Truth Seeker but with my kill file in place
there isn't any sign of anyone by the name of Truth Seeker, or Stu Miller or
Barbara Schwarz or a couple of others who have made it into the blocked list
since yesterday.
--
http://mysite.verizon.net/toomajan
Larry
banchukita
zeeorger wrote:
> Muldoon wrote:
> > Muldoon wrote:
> > > zeeorger wrote:
> > > > banchukita wrote:
> > > > > zeeorger wrote:
> > > > > > thought...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > You need to start a seperate file on "mikkiblack" or are they the same
> > > > > > > "person"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ....
> > >
> > > Any "suitable guise" has a list of do's and don'ts, that define what it
> > > is, can do, will appear to be, can say, etc.
> > >
> > > In Truth Seeker's case, while brief bits of pre-written "Vanilla
> > > criticism" can be recycled again and again, there can be NO mention of
> > > certain items - one such item would be any BOOKs, that are critical of
> > > Hubbard/Scn. Neither these book, nor their authors may be mentioned.
> > >
> > > Truth Seeker was "probed" on this, a while back, and freaked out.
> >
> > I think the freak out occurred on post #2 from Truth Seeker, on this
> > thread:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_frm/thread/52cee9f6ded8f845?q=truth+seeker%2C+books&
>
Wow! Sounds like someone was sliding down the Tone Scale like it was a
water park ride!
> Yup, the "I can kill with a though" delusion running into a severe
> reality
> adjustment. Mental foot-bullet - ouch ouch ouch.
>
> I would LOVE to meet up with the "interactive TS" version someday, have
>
> a good laugh at the whole thing.
>
> Z
True that! I do hope someday they can laugh at the whole thing. Seems
unfair that right now we can laugh, but they can't. But hey, it's a
choice thing.
Thanks, Muldoon and Z, I've been trying so hard to not pay attention to
TS that I missed all this!
-maggie, human being
Muldoon
More info on "Truth Seeker" as a variation of "Operation Yellow":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/802040351145d2b8