Just sayin'
Voltaire's Child
brought up an exchange I had with Tory (and this person was not mentioned
anywhere there) and derided me when I posted something on ESMB about how
deeply upset I was about some things- one of those weeks where it gets to be
Too Fucking Much. Ok, you know- she can do all that. It's the internetz. But
what I find particularly fucking ridiculous is that this person has, in the
past w or so months, at least twice, if not thrice told me to stop
commenting on some things.
This is deeply hypocritical. But it's saved from being outrageous because I
can tell that this person truly has no clue. So it then enters the realm of
the risible.
Now, I no longer do flame wars- though I never promised not to be blunt,
snarky, or bitchy. So this post is gonna stand alone. I will not be posting
a follow up.
I just felt like posting this, so I did. See, chica, I ain't gonna "STFU".
It's not happening. Better folk than you have tried.
C
Dennis L Erlich
>I'm thinking of someone who has jumped on Dennis Ehrlich,
Thanks for noticing, Fluff.
>Patty Pieniadz,
>brought up an exchange I had with Tory (and this person was not mentioned
>anywhere there) and derided me when I posted something on ESMB about how
>deeply upset I was about some things- one of those weeks where it gets to be
>Too Fucking Much. Ok, you know- she can do all that. It's the internetz. But
>what I find particularly fucking ridiculous is that this person has, in the
>past w or so months, at least twice, if not thrice told me to stop
>commenting on some things.
Yah, ESMB had become a place where controversy was tamped down by the
owner. Not really conducive to free speech.
>This is deeply hypocritical. But it's saved from being outrageous because I
>can tell that this person truly has no clue. So it then enters the realm of
>the risible.
I'm not rissing. The pathetic inability for that message board owner
to tolerate any controversy made it unusable for me.
>Now, I no longer do flame wars- though I never promised not to be blunt,
>snarky, or bitchy. So this post is gonna stand alone. I will not be posting
>a follow up.
I hear that ESMB is shutting down. What's the story with that? The
stick up Emma's ass become dislodged?
>I just felt like posting this, so I did. See, chica, I ain't gonna "STFU".
>It's not happening. Better folk than you have tried.
And failed, thankfully.
D
----------------
"At this point, if we could go back in time and get rid of the internet
altogether, I would be all for it." - Monica Pignotti, PhD (Nov 2009)
The Alien Krlll
> "Voltaire's Child"<Voltair...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking of someone who has jumped on Dennis Ehrlich,
>
> Thanks for noticing, Fluff.
>
>> Patty Pieniadz,
>> brought up an exchange I had with Tory (and this person was not mentioned
>> anywhere there) and derided me when I posted something on ESMB about how
>> deeply upset I was about some things- one of those weeks where it gets to be
>> Too Fucking Much. Ok, you know- she can do all that. It's the internetz. But
>> what I find particularly fucking ridiculous is that this person has, in the
>> past w or so months, at least twice, if not thrice told me to stop
>> commenting on some things.
>
> Yah, ESMB had become a place where controversy was tamped down by the
> owner. Not really conducive to free speech.
>
>> This is deeply hypocritical. But it's saved from being outrageous because I
>> can tell that this person truly has no clue. So it then enters the realm of
>> the risible.
>
> I'm not rissing. The pathetic inability for that message board owner
> to tolerate any controversy made it unusable for me.
She didn't want you on their calling people cocksuckers, lying sacks of
shit and your other anal-obsessive names. That's not controversy, it's
not free speech, not even IP crime; it is intimidation through
profanity, of which you are the champion, Reverend.
>
>> Now, I no longer do flame wars- though I never promised not to be blunt,
>> snarky, or bitchy. So this post is gonna stand alone. I will not be posting
>> a follow up.
>
> I hear that ESMB is shutting down. What's the story with that? The
> stick up Emma's ass become dislodged?
I knew you couldn't get through a posting without getting in a snipe at
someone using your ass obsession.
>
>> I just felt like posting this, so I did. See, chica, I ain't gonna "STFU".
>> It's not happening. Better folk than you have tried.
>
> And failed, thankfully.
>
> D
>
> ----------------
>
> "At this point, if we could go back in time and get rid of the internet
> altogether, I would be all for it." - Monica Pignotti, PhD (Nov 2009)
--
"In this leg of the anti-scientology relay race, Rev. Erlich grabs the
bogus copyrights baton and runs it into the stands, secretively selling
it back to the Scientologists for use as a club to pummel their victims.
Erlich takes the money and splits for Palm Springs, saying his actions
didn't harm anyone that he knows of" -Anonymous 2007
Voltaire's Child
"The Alien Krlll" <E...@Teegeeack.con> wrote in message
news:i4h72a$taa$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
I was there. He didn't post anything like that, plus HE'S the one who left.
C
Voltaire's Child
"Dennis L Erlich" <info...@informer.org> wrote in message
news:mppn669em1k6hvmcc...@4ax.com...
> "Voltaire's Child" <Voltair...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm thinking of someone who has jumped on Dennis Ehrlich,
>
> Thanks for noticing, Fluff.
>
>>Patty Pieniadz,
>>brought up an exchange I had with Tory (and this person was not mentioned
>>anywhere there) and derided me when I posted something on ESMB about how
>>deeply upset I was about some things- one of those weeks where it gets to
>>be
>>Too Fucking Much. Ok, you know- she can do all that. It's the internetz.
>>But
>>what I find particularly fucking ridiculous is that this person has, in
>>the
>>past w or so months, at least twice, if not thrice told me to stop
>>commenting on some things.
>
> Yah, ESMB had become a place where controversy was tamped down by the
> owner. Not really conducive to free speech.
Well, moderated fora can sometimes work but thing is you cannot please all
the people all the time.
And, for the record, on this thread, I was talking about Out of The dark who
has been jumping my shit lately, making value judgments left and right and
then telling ME not to interfere in things.
She wrote some truly stupid shit to me and the other night I was like, I've
had it with this person.
>
>>This is deeply hypocritical. But it's saved from being outrageous because
>>I
>>can tell that this person truly has no clue. So it then enters the realm
>>of
>>the risible.
>
> I'm not rissing. The pathetic inability for that message board owner
> to tolerate any controversy made it unusable for me.
Well, I think having a moderated forum is a tough tow to hoe. I think Emma
usually does fine except when she lets her personal feelings show...Then
that's when it gets less than ideal.
>
>>Now, I no longer do flame wars- though I never promised not to be blunt,
>>snarky, or bitchy. So this post is gonna stand alone. I will not be
>>posting
>>a follow up.
>
> I hear that ESMB is shutting down. What's the story with that? The
> stick up Emma's ass become dislodged?
I think Ems is moving on as some of the old guard critics you and I used to
know have done...sometimes a person just wants to go on with life and not so
much do the Scn criticism and stuff...
>
>>I just felt like posting this, so I did. See, chica, I ain't gonna "STFU".
>>It's not happening. Better folk than you have tried.
>
> And failed, thankfully.
>
Yeah, Out of the Dark REALLY doesn't like me. But she never really GOT me,
anyway. She tried to stir up shit between me and Tory (like I need more of
that bullshit), chided me on talking to another critic a certain way because
of his cred or chops or whatever, came in on a thread where I was having an
extremely rough time emotionally and LOL'd-- then tells me to STFU. This was
all within a couple months.
Very hypocritical. I've just about had it with her.
C
Dennis L Erlich
>I was there. He didn't post anything like that, plus HE'S the one who left.
Don't try to douse his hatred with facts, Fluff. It burns too hot,
fueled by alcohol.
Dennis L Erlich
> I think Emma
>usually does fine except when she lets her personal feelings show...Then
>that's when it gets less than ideal.
Because she is incapable of being an even-handed moderator in those
situations.
The Alien Krlll
No reference at all to Emma's ass -- like he did just two messages back
in this thread? No mention of other members asses? That's hard to
believe frankly. He just said:
*I hear that ESMB is shutting down. What's the story with that? The
stick up Emma's ass become dislodged?*
Claire, why do you think Dr. Cathleen Mann shut down a cult support
forum, just to keep Reverend Erlich off it? Here is some facts to douse
the Reverend witch:
" Dennis was the perfect bulldog --
attacking, ad hominen all the time, arrogant, and very vulgar and
sexist. I was glad to be rid of him. I am sorry Steve Hassan has
such a person as a friend, which shows me he has very poor judgment in
this area. Monica attempted to defend herself and Dennis was the
epitome of an angry, hateful person. I am so glad I don't have to
deal with him or Steve Hassan ever again."
Michael Reuss
>> "Voltaire's Child" <Voltair...@ymail.com> wrote:
Dennis, Claire! Two of my favorite all-time a.r.s posters. What's happening?
Dennis, when I left, you'd not been posting for quite a while. Glad to see
you're back and talking about 'stuff.' I hope you're doing well, and that
some of the vicious crap the cult put you through in family court is fading
into the background. Have your daughters blown, or your ex?
Claire, I hope you're well, too. Are you still in Seattle? What's your
latest?
I see realpch is still here, along with homer, Android Cat, John Dorsey. And
unfortunately ronbots, bs, and others, too.
Does Tori Christman post on a.r.s anymore? I see Jeff and some others are
still here. Tilmann, Warrior, etc, are those guys still around?
I've had a bit of change in my life. I won't go into it here, but now am
back living in Colorado, for the time being anyway. My mom recently passed
away from complications related to Alzheimer's disease. Which was sad and
merciful at the same time. If anyone wants some perspective on how the human
brain works, I would highly encourage them to visit a senior center or
health care facility that cares for Alzheimer's patients. It's not magic,
it's meat.
Some amazing Sci't stuff has happened over the past few years, eh? The Tom
Cruise stuff was particularly damaging to the cult, I think, even if they
keep trying to spin it as good. Mike Rinder blew! Who would have guessed
that? The news about Stacey Moxon committing suicide in the electrical vault
at Hemet was finally leaked. Katie Holmes now seems to be questioning her
ill-conceived marriage. Is Mary DeMoss out? Mark Bunker now is WiseBeard (a
grizzled veteran of the mid-90s Scientology war against the Internet). Then
too, there was the 'anonymous' flare-up, all fiery and hot-headed, but then
quickly moderating under the calming influence of some of you old timers
(which reminds me of early and then middling henri). So much of the
discussion about Scientology now happens in disparate blogs and other
pockets and corners, and maybe that's good.
Speaking of anonymous, I'm still not much in favor of opposing the cult
anonymously. I understand why people do it, but I think in an ideological
battle, you need to take your positions in a courageous, open, unafraid
manner. One's argument will then better impress the audience, IMO.
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realpch
>
> > "Dennis L Erlich" <info...@informer.org> wrote in message
> > news:uh0r66tr3k2r950f4...@4ax.com...
> >> "Voltaire's Child" <Voltair...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> Dennis, Claire! Two of my favorite all-time a.r.s posters. What's happening?
>
> Dennis, when I left, you'd not been posting for quite a while. Glad to see
> you're back and talking about 'stuff.' I hope you're doing well, and that
> some of the vicious crap the cult put you through in family court is fading
> into the background. Have your daughters blown, or your ex?
>
> Claire, I hope you're well, too. Are you still in Seattle? What's your
> latest?
>
> I see realpch is still here, along with homer, Android Cat, John Dorsey. And
> unfortunately ronbots, bs, and others, too.
>
> Does Tori Christman post on a.r.s anymore? I see Jeff and some others are
> still here. Tilmann, Warrior, etc, are those guys still around?
Occasionally she does, but not too often these days. Warrior comes in
with salient information from time to time.
> I've had a bit of change in my life. I won't go into it here, but now am
> back living in Colorado, for the time being anyway. My mom recently passed
> away from complications related to Alzheimer's disease. Which was sad and
> merciful at the same time. If anyone wants some perspective on how the human
> brain works, I would highly encourage them to visit a senior center or
> health care facility that cares for Alzheimer's patients. It's not magic,
> it's meat.
>
> Some amazing Sci't stuff has happened over the past few years, eh? The Tom
> Cruise stuff was particularly damaging to the cult, I think, even if they
> keep trying to spin it as good. Mike Rinder blew! Who would have guessed
> that? The news about Stacey Moxon committing suicide in the electrical vault
> at Hemet was finally leaked. Katie Holmes now seems to be questioning her
> ill-conceived marriage. Is Mary DeMoss out? Mark Bunker now is WiseBeard (a
> grizzled veteran of the mid-90s Scientology war against the Internet). Then
> too, there was the 'anonymous' flare-up, all fiery and hot-headed, but then
> quickly moderating under the calming influence of some of you old timers
> (which reminds me of early and then middling henri). So much of the
> discussion about Scientology now happens in disparate blogs and other
> pockets and corners, and maybe that's good.
I haven't seen persuasive evidence about Stacy Moxon. I remember when
people had heard that Marty Rathbun had died, so I've always got the
salt shaker handy. I don't know about Mary. She had a really strange
blog up which covered some romantic disappointment and other topics, but
it was deleted. I haven't seen any convincing evidence that she's out,
but then I just hang out in this backwater.
> Speaking of anonymous, I'm still not much in favor of opposing the cult
> anonymously. I understand why people do it, but I think in an ideological
> battle, you need to take your positions in a courageous, open, unafraid
> manner. One's argument will then better impress the audience, IMO.
>
> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ne...@netfront.net ---
They have run into all the problems which one would expect from taking
that stance. But the masks do look good.
;-)
Peach
--
Extra! Extra! Read All About It!
Save some dough, save some grief:
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.scientology-lies.com
Voltaire's Child
> "Voltaire's Child" <Voltair...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think Emma
>>usually does fine except when she lets her personal feelings show...Then
>>that's when it gets less than ideal.
>
> Because she is incapable of being an even-handed moderator in those
> situations.
>
Could be. But I really don't know if it's easy for anyone in those
circumstances. I know where you're coming from- believe me. But it may not
be such a cakewalk for Ems in many respects. In fact, I rather think it's
not.
But, in any event, yer aces with me, kid!
:-)
C
Dennis L Erlich
>I really don't know if it's easy for anyone in those
>circumstances. I know where you're coming from- believe me. But it may not
>be such a cakewalk for Ems in many respects. In fact, I rather think it's
>not.
It's not easy and it's not supposed to be. But if you are going to
moderate a forum full of ex cultists, you better be able to rise above
your own prejudices.
Voltaire's Child
"Michael Reuss" <honor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:i4k6dm$a9c$1...@adenine.netfront.net...
>
>> "Dennis L Erlich" <info...@informer.org> wrote in message
>> news:uh0r66tr3k2r950f4...@4ax.com...
>>> "Voltaire's Child" <Voltair...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> Dennis, Claire! Two of my favorite all-time a.r.s posters. What's
> happening?
>
> Dennis, when I left, you'd not been posting for quite a while. Glad to see
> you're back and talking about 'stuff.' I hope you're doing well, and that
> some of the vicious crap the cult put you through in family court is
> fading into the background. Have your daughters blown, or your ex?
>
> Claire, I hope you're well, too. Are you still in Seattle? What's your
> latest?
Oh, gosh, there's so much going on. I own a small forum now- scnforum.org.
In November I announced that I no longer considered myself to be a Scn'ist.
I'd realized I was more into the label than in anything else, and I thought
"is that really what I want to be doing?" I made an announcement on a number
of fora. I still have a lot of FZ friends and the board I own is one I
inherited from Geir Isene- a Norwegian OTVIII who left the cult and publicly
published his Doubt formula about how fucked up CofS is. The board is pro
tech which kind of confuses some people who've seen my announcement, but,
well, I never was one to be all one way and not t'other.
Yep, still in Seattle. Very busy with work, working out, going out for flag
football this Autumn, all that good stuff.
Did some picketing, took some footage of Seattle Ideal Org Grand Opening
with DM there. I wasn't supposed to be able to get that close but I found a
way and I got DM right on film. I shot about 90% of the footage. A couple
times I got kind of bored and turned off the camera. I'm new to editing and
doing vids so the editing is extremely choppy. But ok mebbe for a first
attempt. It's on my google channel claireswazey.
>
> I see realpch is still here, along with homer, Android Cat, John Dorsey.
> And unfortunately ronbots, bs, and others, too.
Yes, but a lot of people we used to talk to no longer post at all. It's a
shame but I guess usenet is no longer anywhere near as popular as it used to
be.
>
> Does Tori Christman post on a.r.s anymore? I see Jeff and some others are
> still here. Tilmann, Warrior, etc, are those guys still around?
I see Tory around. She posted on my announcement thread last November- a bit
of a derail from her. She's mainly on OCMB and ESMB.
Haven't seen Tilman in a while. Did exchange some friendly back channel
communicationwith Warrior. I talk to some of my other original ars friends
from time to time back channel.
>
> I've had a bit of change in my life. I won't go into it here, but now am
> back living in Colorado, for the time being anyway. My mom recently passed
> away from complications related to Alzheimer's disease.
I am so very sorry. That's very tough to lose a parent. My heart goes out to
you.
>Which was sad and merciful at the same time.
I know what you mean.
> If anyone wants some perspective on how the human brain works, I would
> highly encourage them to visit a senior center or health care facility
> that cares for Alzheimer's patients. It's not magic, it's meat.
Well, brains ~are~ meat, for sure.
>
> Some amazing Sci't stuff has happened over the past few years, eh? The Tom
> Cruise stuff was particularly damaging to the cult, I think, even if they
> keep trying to spin it as good. Mike Rinder blew! Who would have guessed
> that? The news about Stacey Moxon committing suicide in the electrical
> vault at Hemet was finally leaked. Katie Holmes now seems to be
> questioning her ill-conceived marriage. Is Mary DeMoss out?
Now that was an interesting one. Mary seemed to leave, created a blog, was
posting a lot of implied dissent but so carefully walking the line. Really
attractive articulate woman. But she didn't want to get into too much cult
discussion when people would post on the blog. Later, she went back. But
there's NO WAY she doesn't know it's a big problem- a huge series of
problems and abuses. I read her blog, I know that she knows.
>Mark Bunker now is WiseBeard (a grizzled veteran of the mid-90s Scientology
>war against the Internet). Then too, there was the 'anonymous' flare-up,
>all fiery and hot-headed, but then quickly moderating under the calming
>influence of some of you old timers (which reminds me of early and then
>middling henri). So much of the discussion about Scientology now happens in
>disparate blogs and other pockets and corners, and maybe that's good.
Sure.
>
> Speaking of anonymous, I'm still not much in favor of opposing the cult
> anonymously. I understand why people do it, but I think in an ideological
> battle, you need to take your positions in a courageous, open, unafraid
> manner. One's argument will then better impress the audience, IMO.
Right. You and I were always out front with our identities. But I have had
the chance to meet and even in a couple cases make friends with some Anons.
Very nice people.
I guess different people have to approach it in their own individual ways.
Me? I'm too out there to ever be or have been anonymous, even when the cult
was hassling me about posting here (and I was posting FRIENDLY- to CofS-
type stuff. Idiots.)
A helluva lot of things have been happening...with me, the critic's scene,
all kinds of stuff. Feel free to drop me a line if you'd ever like to.
Again, I am truly sorry for your loss though I certainly understand that it
was a mercy in some respects. But she was your Mom and this kind of thing is
never ever easy.
Hugs,
Claire
Voltaire's Child
> "Voltaire's Child" <Voltair...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>>I really don't know if it's easy for anyone in those
>>circumstances. I know where you're coming from- believe me. But it may not
>>be such a cakewalk for Ems in many respects. In fact, I rather think it's
>>not.
>
> It's not easy and it's not supposed to be. But if you are going to
> moderate a forum full of ex cultists, you better be able to rise above
> your own prejudices.
>
Gotcha. I can't say that she and I really are on the same sheet of music in
many respects. There was a time when I'd not have said that, though.
I hope that she has fun and enjoys all her future endeavors after she leaves
ESMB and hands it off or whatever she ends up doing with it. I do wish her
the best and smile reminiscently thinking of the friendship she and I used
to have.
C
Zobicus
> Voltaire's Child wrote, On 8/18/2010 11:41 PM:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "The Alien Krlll" <E...@Teegeeack.con> wrote in message
> >news:i4h72a$taa$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> Dennis L Erlich wrote, On 8/18/2010 9:15 AM:
>
> " Dennis was the perfect bulldog --
> attacking, ad hominen all the time, arrogant, and very vulgar and
> sexist. I was glad to be rid of him. I am sorry Steve Hassan has
> such a person as a friend, which shows me he has very poor judgment in
> this area. Monica attempted to defend herself and Dennis was the
> epitome of an angry, hateful person. I am so glad I don't have to
> deal with him or Steve Hassan ever again."
>
> --
> "In this leg of the anti-scientology relay race, Rev. Erlich grabs the
> bogus copyrights baton and runs it into the stands, secretively selling
> it back to the Scientologists for use as a club to pummel their victims.
> Erlich takes the money and splits for Palm Springs, saying his actions
> didn't harm anyone that he knows of" -Anonymous 2007
Hypothetical: Let's say a survey was taken around the entire world,
with everyone participating, and 100% of the votes were that people
agreed with everything you said about Mr. Erlich.
What would you do then? What would you post about?
The Alien Krlll
The Rutgers Attorney Robert W. Clark, formerly of York, PA. aka "henri",
"Henry", "ptsc", on the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology. The
favorite posting would be the one in which Clark calls Tilman Hausherr a
"nazi cocksucker" for questioning Reverend Erlich about the details
concerning the Reverend's secret monetary settlement with the Church of
Scientology; and, what he actually agreed to in the settlement documents.
Then I'd probably go after others paid to ruin anti-scientology forums.
Claire Swazey
> >> in this thread? No mention of other members asses? That's hard to
> >> believe frankly. Hejustsaid:
>
> >> *I hear that ESMB is shutting down. What's the story with that? The
> >> stick up Emma's ass become dislodged?*
>
> >> Claire, why do you think Dr. Cathleen Mann shut down a cult support
I want my fuckin' money!
C
Michael Reuss
>> "Michael Reuss" <honor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Claire, I hope you're well, too. Are you still in Seattle? What's your
>> latest?
> Oh, gosh, there's so much going on. I own a small forum now- scnforum.org.
> In November I announced that I no longer considered myself to be a Scn'ist.
> I'd realized I was more into the label than in anything else, and I thought
> "is that really what I want to be doing?" I made an announcement on a number
> of fora. I still have a lot of FZ friends and the board I own is one I
> inherited from Geir Isene- a Norwegian OTVIII who left the cult and publicly
> published his Doubt formula about how fucked up CofS is. The board is pro
> tech which kind of confuses some people who've seen my announcement, but,
> well, I never was one to be all one way and not t'other.
I checked it out... not bad! As you can imagine, I'm still not
pro-tech. But to have a place to hold on to that part of it while
divorcing oneself from the cult is, well, great!
>Yep, still in Seattle. Very busy with work, working out, going out for flag
>football this Autumn, all that good stuff.
You go, girl!
>Did some picketing, took some footage of Seattle Ideal Org Grand Opening
>with DM there. I wasn't supposed to be able to get that close but I found a
>way and I got DM right on film. I shot about 90% of the footage. A couple
>times I got kind of bored and turned off the camera. I'm new to editing and
>doing vids so the editing is extremely choppy. But ok mebbe for a first
>attempt. It's on my google channel claireswazey.
Wow, fluffy girl picketing! I'll try to check your video out soon.
> ... a lot of people we used to talk to no longer post at all. It's a
>shame but I guess usenet is no longer anywhere near as popular as it used to
>be.
A backwater.... a.r.s has become a backwater... I have comcast as my
ISP, and they don't even run an NNTP server anymore. I sort of
stumbled onto this freenet feed.
> I see Tory around. She posted on my announcement thread last November- a bit
> of a derail from her. She's mainly on OCMB and ESMB.
> Haven't seen Tilman in a while. Did exchange some friendly back channel
> communicationwith Warrior. I talk to some of my other original ars friends
> from time to time back channel.
Warrior answered my "reconnecting" post. Hey you crazy SP, how you
doing?
> I am so very sorry. That's very tough to lose a parent. My heart goes out to
> you.
Thank you for ther kind words.
>> If anyone wants some perspective on how the human brain works, I would
>> highly encourage them to visit a senior center or health care facility
>> that cares for Alzheimer's patients. It's not magic, it's meat.
> Well, brains ~are~ meat, for sure.
But let's wait a little bit before we really get into it, okay? ;-)
>> Speaking of anonymous, I'm still not much in favor of opposing the cult
>> anonymously. I understand why people do it, but I think in an ideological
>> battle, you need to take your positions in a courageous, open, unafraid
>> manner. One's argument will then better impress the audience, IMO.
> Right. You and I were always out front with our identities. But I have had
> the chance to meet and even in a couple cases make friends with some Anons.
> Very nice people.
> I guess different people have to approach it in their own individual ways.
> Me? I'm too out there to ever be or have been anonymous, even when the cult
> was hassling me about posting here (and I was posting FRIENDLY- to CofS-
> type stuff. Idiots.)
> A helluva lot of things have been happening...with me, the critic's scene,
> all kinds of stuff. Feel free to drop me a line if you'd ever like to.
Llife marches on, doesn't it? I'd certainly enjoy a more private
conversation with you. There's lots of stuff going on with me, too.
Voltaire's Child
>> <Voltair...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>> "Michael Reuss" <honor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> Claire, I hope you're well, too. Are you still in Seattle? What's your
>>> latest?
>
>> Oh, gosh, there's so much going on. I own a small forum now-
>> scnforum.org.
>
>> In November I announced that I no longer considered myself to be a
>> Scn'ist.
>> I'd realized I was more into the label than in anything else, and I
>> thought
>> "is that really what I want to be doing?" I made an announcement on a
>> number
>> of fora. I still have a lot of FZ friends and the board I own is one I
>> inherited from Geir Isene- a Norwegian OTVIII who left the cult and
>> publicly
>> published his Doubt formula about how fucked up CofS is. The board is pro
>> tech which kind of confuses some people who've seen my announcement, but,
>> well, I never was one to be all one way and not t'other.
>
> I checked it out... not bad! As you can imagine, I'm still not
> pro-tech. But to have a place to hold on to that part of it while
> divorcing oneself from the cult is, well, great!
Right. I just want people to do what THEY want to do.
>
>>Yep, still in Seattle. Very busy with work, working out, going out for
>>flag
>>football this Autumn, all that good stuff.
>
> You go, girl!
Yeah, I gotta learn how to play flag football. Fortunately John (although
not being interested in most sports apart from boxing and gymnastics) knows
how to play- he was telling me about it - amidst a bit of eye rolling. So
I'm going to get him to show me. Flag football starts late September.
>
>>Did some picketing, took some footage of Seattle Ideal Org Grand Opening
>>with DM there. I wasn't supposed to be able to get that close but I found
>>a
>>way and I got DM right on film. I shot about 90% of the footage. A couple
>>times I got kind of bored and turned off the camera. I'm new to editing
>>and
>>doing vids so the editing is extremely choppy. But ok mebbe for a first
>>attempt. It's on my google channel claireswazey.
>
> Wow, fluffy girl picketing! I'll try to check your video out soon.
Yep. With that one, I was just filming,mostly. And in Boston on Memorial Day
weekend, I marched with the Boston anons. Fun!
>
>> ... a lot of people we used to talk to no longer post at all. It's a
>>shame but I guess usenet is no longer anywhere near as popular as it used
>>to
>>be.
>
> A backwater.... a.r.s has become a backwater... I have comcast as my
> ISP, and they don't even run an NNTP server anymore. I sort of
> stumbled onto this freenet feed.
Exactly. Comcast out here hasn't offered newsgroup service in years. I use a
paid service.
>
>> I see Tory around. She posted on my announcement thread last November- a
>> bit
>> of a derail from her. She's mainly on OCMB and ESMB.
>> Haven't seen Tilman in a while. Did exchange some friendly back channel
>> communicationwith Warrior. I talk to some of my other original ars
>> friends
>> from time to time back channel.
>
> Warrior answered my "reconnecting" post. Hey you crazy SP, how you
> doing?
It's good to reconnect.
>
>> I am so very sorry. That's very tough to lose a parent. My heart goes out
>> to
>> you.
>
> Thank you for ther kind words.
Well, my folks got sick and died- 7 months apart- that year when I was in
TN. (the same year I was expelled). It was tough even though not at all
unexpected.
I know how it can be- the emotional issues and also the actual physical type
stuff.
>
>>> If anyone wants some perspective on how the human brain works, I would
>>> highly encourage them to visit a senior center or health care facility
>>> that cares for Alzheimer's patients. It's not magic, it's meat.
>
>> Well, brains ~are~ meat, for sure.
>
> But let's wait a little bit before we really get into it, okay? ;-)
Sure.
>
>>> Speaking of anonymous, I'm still not much in favor of opposing the cult
>>> anonymously. I understand why people do it, but I think in an
>>> ideological
>>> battle, you need to take your positions in a courageous, open, unafraid
>>> manner. One's argument will then better impress the audience, IMO.
>
>> Right. You and I were always out front with our identities. But I have
>> had
>> the chance to meet and even in a couple cases make friends with some
>> Anons.
>> Very nice people.
>> I guess different people have to approach it in their own individual
>> ways.
>> Me? I'm too out there to ever be or have been anonymous, even when the
>> cult
>> was hassling me about posting here (and I was posting FRIENDLY- to CofS-
>> type stuff. Idiots.)
>
>> A helluva lot of things have been happening...with me, the critic's
>> scene,
>> all kinds of stuff. Feel free to drop me a line if you'd ever like to.
>
> Llife marches on, doesn't it? I'd certainly enjoy a more private
> conversation with you. There's lots of stuff going on with me, too.
>
>
>
Well, we'll have to do that sometime in the very near future. You're always
most welcome.
C
Warrior
>
>Warrior answered my "reconnecting" post. Hey you crazy SP, how you
>doing?
Doing just fine, as always. Write and tell me what you've been up
to.
Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
"Scientology: it's about deception."
http://warrior.xenu.ca
Dennis L Erlich
>Dennis, Claire! Two of my favorite all-time a.r.s posters. What's happening?
Dood! LTNS! Let's see if I can give you a short virgin.
>Dennis, when I left, you'd not been posting for quite a while.
I quit posting to ars for quite a few years. But I stayed in touch
with friends on IRC almost daily since then. That's Undernet channel
#altreligionscientology in case you want to drop in.
For a while I tried posting to a couple of moderated fora. Then I
came back to ars just before the nony's got going.
>Glad to see you're back and talking about 'stuff.'
I'm not the fade-away type.
>I hope you're doing well, and that
>some of the vicious crap the cult put you through in family court is fading
>into the background.
I'm doing great. Happily married and mostly enjoying life.
>Have your daughters blown, or your ex?
Far as I know my kids are not involved in the cult now. The ex was
only involved enough at that point to let them finance her scieno
lawyer to come after me in San Diego Family Court concurrently with
their copyright case against me in San Jose Federal Court.
>I've had a bit of change in my life. I won't go into it here, but now am
>back living in Colorado, for the time being anyway. My mom recently passed
>away from complications related to Alzheimer's disease. Which was sad and
>merciful at the same time. If anyone wants some perspective on how the human
>brain works, I would highly encourage them to visit a senior center or
>health care facility that cares for Alzheimer's patients. It's not magic,
>it's meat.
Sorry to hear of your loss. I take care of my 93 y/o mom. She still
remembers who I am but she has trouble with what day it is.
>Some amazing Sci't stuff has happened over the past few years, eh? The Tom
>Cruise stuff was particularly damaging to the cult, I think, even if they
>keep trying to spin it as good.
There's no way or attempt to spin it as good.
But Elrong was smarter than McScabbage. He wanted the cult to stay
under the radar until it was powerful enough to take over the govt.
Poodleboy wanted to mainstream the cult. It's a case of be careful
what you wish for.
>Mike Rinder blew! Who would have guessed
>that?
<raises hand> Sinking ship, dood. Been sinking for years.
>The news about Stacey Moxon committing suicide in the electrical vault
>at Hemet was finally leaked. Katie Holmes now seems to be questioning her
>ill-conceived marriage. Is Mary DeMoss out? Mark Bunker now is WiseBeard (a
>grizzled veteran of the mid-90s Scientology war against the Internet). Then
>too, there was the 'anonymous' flare-up, all fiery and hot-headed, but then
>quickly moderating under the calming influence of some of you old timers
>(which reminds me of early and then middling henri).
He was an excitable lad. But he's past the bar and is recovering from
Law School brainmash.
>So much of the
>discussion about Scientology now happens in disparate blogs and other
>pockets and corners, and maybe that's good.
News still breaks here.
>Speaking of anonymous, I'm still not much in favor of opposing the cult
>anonymously.
I never have wanted to be anonymous. But the nonys are a force and
part of that power comes from their anonymity.
>I understand why people do it, but I think in an ideological
>battle, you need to take your positions in a courageous, open, unafraid
>manner. One's argument will then better impress the audience, IMO.
Yes, opposition to oppression can and should take many forms.
The Alien Krlll
> I'm not the fade-away type.
To bad for us. You're more of a betrayer for money, and secret
settlement kind of a vulgar kapo traitor.
banchukita
> > "Dennis L Erlich" <infor...@informer.org> wrote in message
> >news:uh0r66tr3k2r950f4...@4ax.com...
hi, honorary kid. i still owe you a grouper sandwich :D
good to read you here.
-maggie, human being
Voltaire's Child
"banchukita" <banch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eb15ed54-5bb7-49d2...@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> hi, honorary kid. i still owe you a grouper sandwich :D
> good to read you here.
Not to derail anything, but hugs to you, Maggie.
C
Michael Reuss
> hi, honorary kid. i still owe you a grouper sandwich :D
> good to read you here.
> -maggie, human being
Hi Maggie, that's right, you DO owe me a grouper sandwich! M-m-m-m-m. Not sure
when I'll be able to collect, but anyway, I hope you and your family are well.
Ps. Bingo Bus is still one of my favorite songs! ;-)
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banchukita
Hugs back at ya, Claire.
All's good here, Michael. That made me smile. :D