Onward Christian Soldiers?

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Jeff Jacobsen

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May 3, 2001, 4:30:29 PM5/3/01
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Does anyone know what was on the 6th and 7th floors of the Fort
Harrison Hotel back at this time?


"Scientology church gives county spending records", by Susan Denley,
St. Petersburg Times, 4/27/78

The Church of Scientology has given Pinellas County their records
showing how the church spends its money, but those records are being
kept confidential under a court protective order.
The records were turned over to county attorneys Monday in
preparation for a civil trial that begins today to determine whether
the church's Clearwater property should be tax-exempt.
The property in question in the lawsuit - which deals specifically
with 1976 taxes - is the former Fort Harrison Hotel and the former
Bank of Clearwater building, both in downtown Clearwater. Since
moving its headquarters to Clearwater in 1975, the church has used the
former bank building as offices and classrooms and the hotel primarily
as offices and living quarters for staff and for visitors seeking
religious training, Scientology spokesmen say.
But Pinellas Property Appraiser Ronald J. Schultz has contended
that during 1976, portions of the property were used for profit-making
purposes and that although financial data provided by the church has
been "inconsistent and incomplete," it indicates the property "may
have been used for a profit-making venture."
Last September, a tax specialist hired by the county to arbitrate
tax disputes found that the church had not provided enough information
to determine whether it is truly nonprofit and that there are
indications that the organization levies substantial charges for its
religious activities.
Earlier this month, Circuit Judge Harry W. Fogle ruled that the
Scientologists must provide information on how church funds are spent.
But he rejected a county request for names of donors to the church.
The 1976 taxes levied on the property amount to about $50,000.
Taxes for 1977, which are being contested in a separate suit, amount
to $54,622.
The Scientologists also have applied for an exemption from 1978
property taxes. Two of Shultz's assistants Wednesday made a
short-notice inspection of the church's Clearwater facilities to see
whether the buildings are used for religious purposes.
Although church officials labeled the inspection visit
"harassment," they led Schultz Administrative Assistant Sam
McClelland, Exemption Director Helen Braun and a St. Petersburg Times
reporter on a tour of most of the former hotel's 11 floors.
The visitors saw:
· A full-fledged movie studio, used to produce training films
for church counselors, said spokeswoman Kathy Heard.
· A group of Scientologists in a "chapel" singing "Onward
Christian Soldiers."
· Neatly kept, hotel-style rooms - residences for counselors and
students, said Mrs. Heard. Each was equipped with an "E-meter," an
electronic device wired to tin cans. The E-meter, said to measure
emotional states, is a church "artifact" used to aid counseling, she
said.

The sixth and seventh floors of the former hotel were not included
in the tour. Mrs. Heard said the room son the those floors were in
use for church counseling.
Mrs. Heard and Nancy Reitze visited Assistant County Atty. James
Helinger Jr. earlier Wednesday to tell him of a Scientology victory
earlier this week in a tax case in Los Angeles.
"We thought we should really share our legal victory with you," Ms.
Heard told Helinger. She said the church had been "harassed" in the
California case, but won after a six-year battle.
Church spokesmen have often accused Helinger, chief lawyer on the
case, of malice.
"I don't want you to think I'm operating under any bad faith," he
told Ms. Heard and Ms. Reitze Wednesday. "But our statutes require us
to look at financial information. If I wasn't doing that, I wouldn't
be doing my job."

Nevada Smith

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May 3, 2001, 6:34:05 PM5/3/01
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On Thu, 03 May 2001 16:30:29 -0400, Jeff Jacobsen
<jeffja...@lisatrust.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know what was on the 6th and 7th floors of the Fort
> Harrison Hotel back at this time?

According to ex-RPFers, the seventh floor was for sane prisoners,
and the eighth floor was for PTS prisoners.


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john brownlee

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May 3, 2001, 6:56:05 PM5/3/01
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Two of Shultz's assistants Wednesday made a

>short-notice inspection of the church's Clearwater facilities to see
>whether the buildings are used for religious purposes.

The visitors saw:

>· A group of Scientologists in a "chapel" singing "Onward
>Christian Soldiers."

Evidently the short-notice was not short enough(!)

John Brownlee


Ixbalam

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May 3, 2001, 8:05:50 PM5/3/01
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In article <8tf3ftsi23149b4nm...@4ax.com>, Jeff Jacobsen
<jeffja...@lisatrust.net> wrote:

> The visitors saw:
[..snip..]


> · A group of Scientologists in a "chapel" singing "Onward
> Christian Soldiers."

I can see it now. "Everybody get your asses in the chapel and start
acting religious!"

--
Michael J. Rider, aka Ixbalam http://i.am/ixbalam

"I was asked, 'Are they evil or are they stupid?'
and I said, 'The best I can tell, they're both.'"
-Charles C. Thompson II

Chris Leithiser

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May 3, 2001, 8:13:52 PM5/3/01
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Ixbalam wrote:
>
> In article <8tf3ftsi23149b4nm...@4ax.com>, Jeff Jacobsen
> <jeffja...@lisatrust.net> wrote:
>
> > The visitors saw:
> [..snip..]
> > · A group of Scientologists in a "chapel" singing "Onward
> > Christian Soldiers."
>
> I can see it now. "Everybody get your asses in the chapel and start
> acting religious!"
>
I bet it was the same verse of "Onguard Christmas So's Yers" over and
over again. Nobody there would know the second one.

StveJ

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May 3, 2001, 11:34:39 PM5/3/01
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>Subject: Re: Onward Christian Soldiers?
>From: Chris Leithiser clei...@bc.cc.ca.us
>Date: Thu, May 3, 2001 5:13 PM
>Message-id: <3AF1F440...@bc.cc.ca.us>

>
>Ixbalam wrote:
>>
>> In article <8tf3ftsi23149b4nm...@4ax.com>, Jeff Jacobsen
>> <jeffja...@lisatrust.net> wrote:
>>
>> > The visitors saw:
>> [..snip..]
>> > · A group of Scientologists in a "chapel" singing "Onward
>> > Christian Soldiers."
>I bet it was the same verse of "Onguard Christmas So's Yers" over and
>over again. Nobody there would know the second one.
>
Certainly better at their jobs than the horrible jobs you guys pretend to do as
critics.

Then the cult did this, and their spawn did that, and the culties did
that, then a cult cult here and a cult cult there...oh, and they smell
and they like money and when they want something they call
the government that they control...

It must piss you a.r.s. fools off to no end that the only things interesting to
post here is blatantly bigoted gossip from the tabloids and Old Old Old news.
All commented on by your very own convicted Hate Crime zealot.

Don't let your compulsions steal the best year of your life.

Steve
-----------
As Ron's Amigo said about a.r.s.:
You've come to the right place, however, if:
...
4) You're stupid enough to buy into the idea that Scientology is an evil
criminal cult out to take over the world, and you're ready to be a foot soldier
in someone else's delusion.
 
5) You are frustrated because you have destructive impulses you can barely
control and think you may find in ARS a forum where you can vent without being
considered insane.
...

Thomas J Best

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May 4, 2001, 3:01:19 AM5/4/01
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StveJ <st...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010503233439...@ng-ch1.aol.com...

Now, that was a very revealing missive, StVej! You're *really*
miffed, aren't you? What's the matter, didn't *you* get a chunk
of the Slatkin moolah? Did they leave you out of the loop?
*They* get to roll in more money than you'll see in the whole
of your billion-year contract, and all *you* get is *this* shitty job
of being laughed at continually in public. Is that it? Imagine! A
wannabe superbeing, helpless as always! HahahahahaHA!

tam


barb

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May 4, 2001, 9:04:44 AM5/4/01
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Heh, I can hear it now..."Quick, everybody to the chapel! The inspectors
are coming! Now, what hymn do we all know?"
Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war...
LA LA LA LA LAAAA LA, LA LA LAAAA LALA....
--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC
http://members.home.net/bwarr1/index.htm (this site is down right now.)
http://www.geocities.com/bwarr_2000/ mirror site

"Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now
every century, Scientology does weird and stupid things
to damage its own reputation."
-Steve Zadarnowski

"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"


Scientology:
Do you want to save the world?
Then eat this booger.
--Hud Nordin

GS1100

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May 4, 2001, 9:31:37 AM5/4/01
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In article <3AF2A8EC...@home.com>, bwa...@home.com says...

>
>john brownlee wrote:
>>
>> Two of Shultz's assistants Wednesday made a
>>
>> >short-notice inspection of the church's Clearwater facilities to see
>> >whether the buildings are used for religious purposes.
>> The visitors saw:
>>
>> >· A group of Scientologists in a "chapel" singing "Onward
>> >Christian Soldiers."
>>
>> Evidently the short-notice was not short enough(!)
>>
>> John Brownlee
>
>Heh, I can hear it now..."Quick, everybody to the chapel! The inspectors
>are coming! Now, what hymn do we all know?"
>Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war...
>LA LA LA LA LAAAA LA, LA LA LAAAA LALA....
>--

Ya wanna bet that they just sang the first verse over and over 'cause that's
all they knew? Woulda been fun to stay for a couple of hours to see how long
they could keep it up....

demy...@freedom.net

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May 4, 2001, 2:30:41 PM5/4/01
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On Fri, 04 May 2001 06:04:44 -0700, barb <bwa...@home.com> wrote:

>john brownlee wrote:
>>
>> Two of Shultz's assistants Wednesday made a
>>
>> >short-notice inspection of the church's Clearwater facilities to see
>> >whether the buildings are used for religious purposes.
>> The visitors saw:
>>
>> >· A group of Scientologists in a "chapel" singing "Onward
>> >Christian Soldiers."
>>
>> Evidently the short-notice was not short enough(!)
>>
>> John Brownlee
>
>Heh, I can hear it now..."Quick, everybody to the chapel! The inspectors
>are coming! Now, what hymn do we all know?"
>Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war...
>LA LA LA LA LAAAA LA, LA LA LAAAA LALA....

Christian? "Onward R6 Soldiers"?


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