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Did anybody of you read the below information on mindcontrol? It has
psychs written all over it. Mindcontrol and all related despicable
activities are the product of the SEGNPMSS (still existing German Nazi
psych mindcontroller secret service), who existed long before the
Nazis were created by them. My perception is that they formed as
organized crime ring and secret service around the 17th century and
consist in the hard core of German and Bavarian psychiatrists,
exactly, also called barbers before.

If the CIA would not be secretly German psych infiltrated they would
not engage in despicable mindcontrol and related experiments. The
activities that Mr. Victorian described have psychs written all over
them, including the creation of "religious cults". So, don't blame
Scientology on being a cult, your beloved psychs are the cult
creators.

And read the section below on implants. Contrary to others, I claim
that implanting goes centuries back, however, those that claim that
people are not implanted today are liars or live in a completely
unreal fairy tale world.

"Dr. Lilly once reminded the director of the National Institute for
Mental Health of an important dilemma: "Dr. Remond has demonstrated
that this method of stimulation of the brain can be applied to the
human without the help of a neurosurgeon. This means that anyone with
the proper apparatus can carry this out on a person covertly, with no
external signs that electrodes have been used on that person. If this
technique got into the hands of a security agency, they would have
control over a human being and be able to change his beliefs extremely
quickly, leaving little evidence of what they had done."[40] P. 151"

Imagine this in the hands of still secretly operating Nazi psychs. And
guess what, my fellow beings, it happened! They have the remote
control and the superior access to everybody's mind.

"J.G. Watkins[42] "induced a soldier to strike a superior officer by
suggesting that the officer was a Japanese soldier." He obtained from
a hypnotized WAC "information classified secret that she had
previously told him she would not reveal." Two subjects who were told
to throw sulphuric acid at a laboratory assistant (protected by glass)
complied with the hypnotist's commands.[43] P. Janet[44] asked a
deeply hypnotized female to commit several murders before a
distinguished group of judges, stabbing some victims with rubber
daggers and poisoning others with sugar tablets. The hypnotized
subject did all these without hesitation. P. 158, 160"

And here folks, you have the explanation of the psychiatric making of
the a suicide terrorist or pilot.

However, while reading it don't hate the USA. Psychiatry is German
sickness, just as the Nazis were/are German atrocity. If any country
will straighten psychs out, it will be the United States once it has
itself freed from German Nazi Psych mindcontrol and secret rulership.

Barbara Schwarz

Mind Controllers by Dr. Armen Victorian, a ten pages summary
The Secret Agenda

According to the Central Intelligence Agency's Fact Book,[1] the
United States has carried on foreign intelligence activities since the
days of George Washington, but only since World War II have they been
coordinated on a government-wide basis. Under the provisions of the
National Security Act of 1947, the NSC (National Security Council) and
the CIA were established. P. 1-4

Five months after the CIA's creation, the NSC held its first meeting.
James Forrestal, the Secretary of Defense, pushed for the CIA to begin
a ‘secret war' against the Soviets. Forrestal's initiative led to the
execution of psychological warfare operations (psy-ops) in Europe. It
was decided that the communist threat took priority over
constitutional rights. A Presidential Secret Order had the effect of
greatly increasing the CIA's powers. P. 7,8

The concept of running a secret ‘black' project was no longer novel.
In 1941, Roosevelt decided, without consulting Congress, that the US
should proceed with the utmost secrecy to develop an atomic bomb.
Secrecy shrouded the Manhattan Project (the atomic bomb program) to
the extent that Vice President Harry Truman knew nothing about it. The
project meant that by 1947, the government had already gained vast
experience in the initiation of secret operations. The existence of
‘black projects' funded by ‘black budgets' was withheld not only from
the public, but also from Congress for reasons of national security.
P. 8-10

In 1949, Congress enacted provisions permitting the Agency [CIA] to
use confidential fiscal and administrative procedures, and exempting
the CIA from many of the usual limitations on the expenditure of
federal funds. They exempted the CIA from having to disclose its
"functions, names, officials, titles, salaries, or number of personnel
employed." P. 4

One of the main areas to be investigated by the CIA was mind control.
Many other branches of the government took part in the study of this
area. Under the protection of ‘national security', these branches
embarked on a wide range of macabre programs, including assassination
squads, brain washing programs, civilian spying, drug trafficking,
illegal arms sales, fomenting civil wars, and toppling foreign
governments.[2] P. 10

The initial CIA mind control projects brought encouraging results. One
team was determined to create a 'truth serum'. A number of Nazi
chemical specialists (brought into the US via Operation
Paperclip)[3][4] began to work closely with the American secret
services. They worked from American laboratories, developing poison
and nerve gases, despite their active and known involvement in the
Holocaust. P. 11

1n 1977, an important MKULTRA administrator was taken before a Senate
hearing[5] to answer important questions about CIA mind control
projects. He revealed that the CIA had indeed funded a series of such
operations. The programs were code named MKULTRA, MKACTION, MKNAOMI,
ARTICHOKE, and BLUEBIRD, which involved people being used as guinea
pigs in mind experiments. Many subjects lost their sanity and at least
two people died. P. 11, 12

MKULTRA involved the use of drugs, sensory deprivation, religious
cults, microwaves, psychological conditioning, psychosurgery, brain
implants, and other areas of research. It consisted of 149
sub-projects plus another 33 closely related sub-projects, all funded
through the black budget. However, from the 1950s to 1962 most of the
original records, documents, and research papers were deliberately
destroyed. P. 13

The Senate's Church Committee did find some records during its
investigation in 1976. However it noted that the practice of MKULTRA
was "to maintain no records of the planning and approval of test
programs."[6] Miles Copeland, a former CIA officer of some rank, said,
"The congressional sub-committee which went into this got only the
barest glimpse."[7] P. 13, 18

Diligent use of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) in the US helps
to cast light on the advances that have been made in controlling the
way people think and act – and how it is possible to sap their will to
resist. The FOIA allows the most humble citizen to demand the
disclosure of documents, although inevitably some will be heavily
censored or not released at all. That is how much of the information
in this book has been pieced together. P. 5

It is, however, an incomplete picture. What the mind controllers were
and are doing may be only hinted at in a memo footnote or in the
memoirs of a retired researcher. Nevertheless, there is more than
enough here to show that secret new techniques are being exploited
that are no longer in the realm of science fiction. We must all be
aware of this threat so that those who wish to take liberties with
democracy and with our freedom to think are deterred. P. 6

Unethical Experimentation

The CIA's human behavior control program was chiefly motivated by
perceived Soviet, Chinese, and North Korean use of mind control
techniques. The CIA originated its first program in 1950 under the
name BLUEBIRD, which in 1951, after Canada and Britain had been
included, was changed to ARTICHOKE. MKULTRA officially began in 1953.
Technically it was closed in 1964, but some of its programs remained
active under MKSEARCH well into the 1970s. In 1973, tipped off about
forthcoming investigations, Richard Helms, then DCI [Director of
Central Intelligence], ordered the destruction of any MKULTRA records.
P. 17

Project BLUEBIRD was established with the objectives of discovering
means of conditioning personnel to prevent unauthorized extraction of
information from them, and investigating the possibility of obtaining
control of an individual by application of special interrogation
techniques. The Korean War – which started almost a year after the
beginning of Project BUUEBIRD – was influential. The return of
brainwashed POWs encouraged Western intelligence to delve even further
into mind control techniques. P. 53

Officially, MKULTRA was established on 13 April 1953, at Richard
Helms' suggestion[8] as "ultra sensitive work." The focal point of
MKULTRA was the use of humans as unwitting subjects [without their
knowledge]. The CIA sponsored numerous experiments of this kind.
Regardless of a report by the CIA's Inspector General in 1963
recommending the termination of testing on unwitting subjects, DCI
Richard Helms continued to advocate covert testing on the grounds that
"we are less capable of staying up with the Soviet advances in this
field." On the subject of moral issues, Helms commented, "we have no
answer to the moral issue."[9] P. 18, 69

In 1963 a CIA Inspector General's report on MKULTRA stated that the
program was "concerned with research and development of chemical,
biological, and radiological materials capable of employment in
clandestine operations to control human behavior" and that radiation
was one of the additional "avenues to control the human behavior."[10]
Sub-project 86 proposed "artificial means of establishing positive
identification" (known as covert marking) involving ionizing radiation
implanted or injected into predetermined sites in the human body.[11]
P. 18-21

The operational wing of MKULTRA, known as MKDELTA, had as its mission
to find out how to use chemical and biological weapon ingredients to
alter the human mind. In 1952, the CIA initiated yet another program
to produce biological weapons called Project MKNAOMI which developed
an array of deadly substances for the CIA.[12][13] p. 69

From 1950 until the 1970s, the CIA collaborated closely with the US
Army[14] whilst conducting LSD and other chemical tests on humans.
Experiments were conducted in which none of the volunteers gave their
‘informed consent' prior to receiving LSD. There was a deliberate
attempt to deny the volunteers any information that would have
permitted them to evaluate the dangers involved. According to the
testimony of Charles L. Shirley Jr., one of the volunteers, belief
amongst most of the volunteers was that if they declined to
participate in the tests, it would have put them in immediate disfavor
with their superiors. P. 20, 21, 32

Hallucinogenic-type drug experiments were also conducted by elements
of the US Army Intelligence community. Most of the related records
have been destroyed. A coordinated psychochemical drug project started
in November 1957. The plan was entitled ‘Material Testing Program EA
1279' and involved the use of LSD. Experiments were conducted on
groups of volunteers to evaluate their ability to lie whilst under the
influence of LSD. There were also ‘Memory Impairment Tests,' to assess
the effects LSD had on memory. Using various National Institute of
Mental Health hospitals and facilities, Dr. Harris Isabel ran an
Addiction Research Center using LSD and a host of unproven drugs.
Particularly appalling was Dr. Isabel's tendency to target black and
gay inmates for experimentation. P. 29, 30, 72

A field test plan called for use of LSD on foreign nationals overseas.
The Surgeon General[15] "offered no medical objections to the field
experimental plan." Subjects for the proposed field test were to be
non-volunteer, foreign nationals. It is clear that from the start to
finish the project violated Department of Defense and Department of
Army policies, as well as specific procedures set for chemical or
medical research. P. 33-36

In 1953, Dr. Frank Olsen, a scientist working for the CIA, was found
dead on the pavement outside a New York hotel. The CIA quickly
actioned a cover-up of the circumstances surrounding his death. The
whole case remained shrouded in mystery until 1975, when it was
finally revealed that Olsen had been one of many people unwittingly
given LSD. He had been part of the Agency's experiments with the drug,
and LSD had allegedly been a contributory factor in his suicide. The
Rockefeller Commission condemned the CIA's cover-up and granted Mrs.
Olsen an apology and $750,000. p. 67-70

Human Trials

The Nuremberg trials revealed the extent of Nazi Germany's mind
control experimentation on Jewish concentration camp prisoners, as
well as prisoners of war. As a result of the trials, 23 German doctors
were convicted, and an injunction was brought to the effect that
humans should never be used in such a fashion again. On the contrary,
such trials only served to attract the interest of the Western
intelligence agencies, inspiring them to research and develop methods
of controlling and altering the human mind. P.67

On 7 December 1993, Secretary of Energy Hazel O'Leary ordered her
department to open classified files covering projects that had
involved the use of human beings as guinea pigs since the war. A major
project [was] initiated to identify relevant documents. The index
itself runs to 150 pages. P. 41

In some instances victims were chosen from hospital patients. Between
1953 and 1957,[16] William Sweet and his associates at Massachusetts
General Hospital in Boston injected at least 11 terminally ill cancer
patients with uranium-235. In the 1940s, pregnant women were given
cocktails of radioactive material in order to study their effects on
the fetus. The Department of Health conducted tests that involved
feeding more than 800 pregnant women a cocktail laced with radioactive
iron isotope. All the records were destroyed in 1970. P. 42, 43

From December 1962 to April 1963, Harvard researchers, sponsored by
the US Public Health Service, fed radioactive iodide to 760 mentally
retarded children at the Wrentham State School. Some were as young as
one year old. Between 1963 and 1976, Carl Heller from the University
of Oregon exposed the testicles of 67 prisoners at Oregon State Prison
to ionizing radiation to test the effects of radiation on fertility.
The US government carried out radiation experiments in 33 veterans'
hospitals during the Cold War. The VA acknowledged in 1993 that
military patients in at least 14 facilities were victims of these
experiments. P. 45-47

Despite Secretary O'Leary's pledge to compensate the victims, a ruling
from the Supreme Court stated that even when someone's constitutional
rights are violated by Federal agencies, these agencies cannot be
liable for providing any compensation. "We would be creating a
potentially enormous financial burden for the federal government,"
Justice Clarence Thomas wrote for the court. P. 49

In 1950, the Air Force Cambridge Laboratory, using a B-17 bomber,
conducted four atmospheric tracking tests of radioactive emissions in
New Mexico. Communities living in the area were not informed of the
tests. It would have taken at least two weeks before the radioactivity
died down in the atmosphere. P. 46

Studies were also conducted on participants who apparently volunteered
to view a [nuclear] detonation at certain distances from ground zero.
In 1953, the military subjects were told to stand only 2,000 yards
from ground zero. Hundreds of thousands of civilians were within 50
miles of nuclear tests held in Nevada. P. 48

The British government, on 9 August 1971, unleashed one of its largest
deep interrogation experiments. Irish internees were made to stand
with hoods over their heads while electronic noise was played through
speakers or headphones. They were naked, half-starved, and abused.
Professor Robert Daly:[17][18] "Being awakened in the middle of the
night, being beaten, lied to, and insulted, was all part of the
‘unfreezing process' through which psychological defenses were broken
down, and terror and humiliation were induced. Hence, the
photographing in the nude, being forced to urinate while running, the
sadism and abuse. The aim of the treatment was to cause temporary
insanity, a severe psychological injury liable to having lasting
consequences." The unprecedented operations in Northern Ireland,
prompted Amnesty International and the European Court of Human Rights
to intervene. P. 58, 59

Psychic Research

In 1952, Andrija Puharich[19] presented a paper, An Evaluation of the
Possible Uses of ESP in Psychological Warfare, to a secret Pentagon
gathering. In 1953, he lectured the US Air Force researchers on
methods of increasing or decreasing telepathy. He mostly worked on
follow-up studies of Soviet experiments. He described biological
explanations and hypothetical possibilities for psi [psychic
abilities] and also underlined the effects of drugs, which were
consistent with the CIA's mind control programs and findings of that
era. P. 110,111

By 1970, US intelligence had become seriously interested in Soviet
research into parapsychology. The Soviets used a Czech neologism,
psychotronics, to describe their research. CIA analysts were afraid
the Soviets might win the psychotronic race. By coining the phrase
"Psychic Warfare Gap,' they convinced the NSC to take action. With
Congressional approval, they set out to research and examine the
nature of this threat.[20][21] The CIA adopted a twin-track approach.
Publicly, through continuous disinformation campaigns, they endeavored
to discredit psychic research. But secretly, they funded a series of
projects and programs over a sixteen-year period, on which they spent
over $20 million.[22] P.104-106

Soviet attempts to train their cosmonauts in telepathy initially
aroused the CIA's attention.[23] Their attempts were tested in March
1967, when a coded telepathic message was flashed from Moscow to
Leningrad. Four years later, Edgar Mitchell made a similar attempt in
the course of his flight with Apollo 14. Mitchell's attempt was based
on studies and findings of four years of research and study, funded by
the CIA, which started in 1970. p. 107

Stanford Research Institute (SRI) followed the Soviet research line
and duplicated experiments. SRI termed their telepathy work Remote
Viewing (RV). It was coined in 1971 by Ingo Swann at the American
Society for Psychical Research (ASPR). ASPR attempted to locate hidden
items using clairvoyant perception. They succeeded. Swann: "The human
possesses receptors for organizing information that exceed the limits
of the five senses. At least 17 senses have been identified by
biologists and neurologists."[24] P. 108–110

ASPR experiments using a ‘beacon' were not of much use for any
espionage remote viewing program. Swann developed map coordinates –
latitude and longitude – leading to the birth of Project SCANATE on 29
May 1973. When Ingo Swann made his first attempt at remote viewing a
site having only been given coordinates, he had startling results. He
described the features of the small French administered island of
Kerguelen in the Indian Ocean, including the layout of buildings and
what appeared to be a joint French-Soviet meteorological research
installation. He even drew a passable map of the island. P. 111, 112

Pat Price gave an equally detailed account of a site, given only a set
of map coordinates for the target. In a five-page commentary of his
remote viewing tour, Price started off 1,500 feet above the site and
went through a complex of buildings and underground storage areas. The
report described communication and computer equipment manned by Army
personnel, names on desks in the building, and even the labels on file
folders in a locked cabinet in one room.[25] He quoted code words and
named the site – Haystack – and the personnel stationed there. A
security officer present stated, "Hell, there's no security left." P.
112

In 1972, Harold Puthoff was involved in laser research at SRI.
Putoff[26] became persuaded that "war can almost always be traced to a
failure in intelligence, and that therefore, the strongest weapon for
peace is good intelligence." Puthoff's colleague, Russell Targ, who
had a long history of involvement in parapsychology, joined the team.
By 1975, Puthoff and Targ could report that: "The development of this
capability [RV] at SRI has evolved to the point where visiting CIA
personnel with no previous exposure to such concepts have performed
well under controlled laboratory conditions (that is, generated target
descriptions of sufficiently high quality to permit blind matching of
descriptions to targets by independent judges).[27] P. 132, 134

One of the most intriguing of the 55 SRI experiments[28] was "to
ascertain if remote sensing could extend to a very far distance. The
target chosen was the planet Jupiter. The date of the experiment 27
April 1973. In the course of this attempt, a ring around Jupiter was
discovered. The existence of the ring was confirmed in early 1979, six
years later. The 300-page report of this viewing was sent to a number
of scientific institutions, including NASA. P. 134, 135

Some of the results of RV experiments were startling. Between
1975/76,[29] Ingo Swann was asked to remote view Soviet submarines.
According to Swann, "all sorts of brass [were] sitting there. Puthoff
was on my left, and this two or three star general was on my right.
This was one of those ‘big tests' with witnesses, and the room was
filled. And so I was doing my remote viewing, and I came across
something. I stopped in my tracks. I looked at it and said, ‘Oh my
God.' I whispered over Hal's ear and said ‘Hal, I don't know what to
do. I think this submarine has shot down a UFO or the UFO fired on
her. What shall I do? Puthoff was as pale as anything. He looked at me
and whispered, ‘You do what you think you should do." So I sketched
out this picture of this UFO and this brass sitting on my right
grabbed it."….Three days later Puthoff got a call. The call said, "OK,
how much money do you want?"[30] P. 136, 137

The SRI remote viewers were studied by top physicists.[31] Ingo Swann
and Uri Geller surprised Nobel laureate Brian Josephson. Both of them
managed to deflect the needle on a chart recorder to such a degree
that Josephson suggested that physics needed to adopt a new paradigm
to incorporate hidden variables and universal intelligence. P. 114

In the early 80s, when it was at its peak, the RV program employed
seven full-time viewers supported by teams of administrative and
analytical personnel. Yet, the US military misled both Congress and
the media at the time of these experiments because of growing concern
for psychic security. The Pentagon's Advanced Research Project Agency
(ARPA) decided to evaluate Geller at SRI in 1972. Their evaluation was
negative and Geller was accused of fraud and using magic tricks.
However, their evaluation was deliberately flawed. For example,
instead of blindfolding Geller, as SRI had always done, he was asked
to cover his eyes with his hands. They then accused him of peeking.
SRI vehemently criticized ARPA's review and called it a debacle.[32]
Three months after ARPA's review, Jeon Jaroff published an article in
Time presenting Targ and Puthoff as sloppy researchers and Geller as a
fraud. P. 115, 116

Despite a campaign of disinformation by US military and intelligence,
the US House of Representatives in June 1981 released a 530-page
study[33] based on two years research. It stated: "In the area of
national defense, there are obvious implications of one's ability to
identify distant sites and affect sensitive instruments. A general
recognition of the degree of inter-connectiveness of minds could have
far-reaching social and political implications for this nation and the
world." Two years later, another report from the Congressional
Research Service echoed the same views. The report was entitled
Research into ‘Psi' Phenomena: Current Status and Trends of
Congressional Concern. P. 116

In July 1995 the CIA went public and declared its interest in Remote
Viewing.[34][35] As a result, much new information became available.
At that time, the CIA and US Department of Defense had a 22-year
operational track record in RV. The CIA was involved from 1973 to
1977, and the DOD from 1977 to 1995. In 1995, the CIA declassified and
released RV documents. P. 127

Electronic Implants

Jose Delgado's development of the Stimoceiver in the 1950s brought
intelligence agencies' ultimate dream of controlling human behavior
one step closer to reality. The Stimoceiver—a miniature electrode
capable of receiving and transmitting electronic signals by FM
radio—could be placed within an individual's cranium. And once in
place, an outside operator could manipulate the subject's responses.
Delgado demonstrated the potential of his Stimoceivers by wiring a
fully-grown bull. With the device in place, Delgado stepped into the
ring with the bull. The animal charged towards the experimenter – and
then suddenly stopped, just before it reached him. The powerful beast
had been stopped with the simple action of pushing a button on a small
box held in Delgado's hand.[36] P. 147

In 1966, Delgado asserted that his experiments[37] "support the
distasteful conclusion that motion, emotion and behavior can be
directed by electrical forces and that humans can be controlled like
robots by push buttons. P. 147

The records on Subproject 94, part of Project MKULTRA, dated 22
November 1961, describe the purpose: "Miniaturized stimulating
electrode implants in specific brain center areas will be utilized.
The feasibility of remote control of activities in several species of
animals has been demonstrated. The present investigations are directed
toward improvement of techniques and will provide precise mapping of
the useful brain centers. The ultimate objective of this research is
to provide an understanding of the mechanisms involved in the
directional control of animals and to provide practical systems
suitable for (deleted – ‘human'?) application." P. 149

A file released by the US Army dated 22 August 1975 is a demonstration
of how patients were used as guinea pigs for mind control studies.
Electrodes were inserted into parts of their brains, ostensibly
because it could help to heal them. P. 151

Robert G. Heath, of Tulane University, achieved great notoriety by
implanting 125 electrodes in his subjects, in an attempt to ‘cure'
homosexuality with ESB (electronic stimulation of the brain). He
discovered that he could control his patients by inducing fear,
arousal, hallucination, and pleasure.[38] John C. Lilly accomplished
similar effects using devices of his own invention during the 1950s.
Using ESB, monkeys continually stimulated themselves to orgasm at
three-minute intervals for sixteen hours a day.[39] P. 149, 150

Dr. Lilly once reminded the director of the National Institute for
Mental Health of an important dilemma: "Dr. Remond has demonstrated
that this method of stimulation of the brain can be applied to the
human without the help of a neurosurgeon. This means that anyone with
the proper apparatus can carry this out on a person covertly, with no
external signs that electrodes have been used on that person. If this
technique got into the hands of a security agency, they would have
control over a human being and be able to change his beliefs extremely
quickly, leaving little evidence of what they had done."[40] P. 151

Hypnosis

1954 was the height of Project ARTICHOKE's attempt to use hypnosis to
‘program' an assassin. The Agency [CIA] had discovered that "a
posthypnotic suggestion is believed to remain effective for several
months, and for years if periodically reinforced."[41] P. 155, 156

J.G. Watkins[42] "induced a soldier to strike a superior officer by
suggesting that the officer was a Japanese soldier." He obtained from
a hypnotized WAC "information classified secret that she had
previously told him she would not reveal." Two subjects who were told
to throw sulphuric acid at a laboratory assistant (protected by glass)
complied with the hypnotist's commands.[43] P. Janet[44] asked a
deeply hypnotized female to commit several murders before a
distinguished group of judges, stabbing some victims with rubber
daggers and poisoning others with sugar tablets. The hypnotized
subject did all these without hesitation. P. 158, 160

Remote hypnosis was also studied. One of the special projects that the
CIA has never officially admitted involved the use of a Stimoceiver to
induce a hypnotic state. The nasal cavity and the ear were generally
used for implantation. Former FBI agent, Arthur J. Ford, who left the
Bureau to become a journalist under the name of Lincoln Lawrence,[45]
was the first to reveal this in his 1965 book Were we Controlled? P.
161

According to a CIA source, a subject could also carry out orders for
his or her personal destruction. This was usually done at the
completion of a mission for which the subject was initially
programmed. If the subject becomes a liability, the ‘self-destruction'
mechanism could be triggered before completion of the main task. The
method would leave behind no clue for enemy investigators. P. 163

Non-lethal Weaponry and Waging War

From 1960 to 1965, the American Embassy in Moscow was targeted by a
mixture of electromagnetic waves and microwaves causing a wide range
of physical and mental illness among personnel serving there, which
culminated in the eventual death of the US Ambassador. The
electromagnetic waves beamed at the embassy were in the short ‘S' and
long ‘L' spectrum and had complex modulations, some of which were
random. P. 191, 192

In April 1976, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger sent the following
telegram to the US Embassy in Moscow: "Beginning in 1960, the Soviet
Union directed high frequency beams of radiation at the US Embassy in
Moscow which were calculated not to pick up intelligence, but cause
physiological effects on personnel. It has been verified that the
effects are not temporary. Definitely tied to such radiation and the
UHF/VHF electromagnetic waves are: (A) Cataracts, (B) Heart attacks,
(C) Malignancies, (D) Circulatory problems, and (E) Permanent
deterioration of the nervous system. In most cases, the after-effects
do not become evident until long after exposure – a decade or more."
P. 189, 191, 192

The former Soviet Union had a long history of psychic manipulation
programs using techniques such as psychotronics – the use of radiated
energy. At the 1978 SALT peace talks, the Russian President Brezhnev
suggested banning weapons "more frightful than the mind of man has
ever conceived." Although no public admission of this was made, the
Soviet's research was clearly worrying the US. And there was good
reason to be concerned. For example, in 1974, Kaznacheyev believed
that he had demonstrated death could be caused by beaming ultraviolet
rays from a distance.[46] In the same year, Pavlita, a Czech engineer,
showed he could kill insects at distance by using psychotronic
devices. Soviet scientists were able to kill goats at ranges beyond
one kilometer."[47] P. 189, 192, 193

Trying to play catch-up, the US Army and Navy embarked on intensive
research programs encompassing aspects of electromagnetics,
microwaves, radio transmissions, and so on. Most of these programs
were highly classified. Some sections which had not been initially
classified were reclassified in the late 1970s. Laws were introduced
to curtail any inquiries made by the public. University authorities
were banned from questioning the members of their own academic
fraternity engaged in such programs. Educational values and ethics
became irrelevant. The results of some of the experimental programs
were shocking.[48]

Extensive testing was conducted in the Army, Navy, Air Force, and CIA,
either through contractors or in their own laboratories. Contractors
provided non-volunteer human testers. Several military contracts
involved working in highly dangerous environments. Years later, a
flood of court cases brought by unwitting victims once more raised the
serious question: does the end justify the means? Several lives were
lost, yet no liability has ever been admitted by the establishments or
their contractors. The situation remains the same today.[49] P. 195

Since 1961, work by Frey and others has shown that microwave energy is
capable of producing tachycardia (speeding of the heartbeat) and
bradycardia (slowing of the heartbeat). A 1976 US State Department
report suggested it was possible to induce a heart attack in a person
from a distance with radar.[50] P. 162, 167

In 1973, Bawin et al.,[51] provided evidence that brain waves can be
inhibited or enhanced by low power VHF energy. Animal brainwave
patterns went from waking to comatose when Becker placed a magnetic
field at the right angle to the brainstem.[52] By 1974, SRI had
developed a computer system capable of reading a person's mind by
correlating the brain waves of subjects on an electroencephalograph
with specific commands.[53] The concept of mind-reading computers is
no longer science fiction. Neither is their use by Big Brotherly
governments. Major Edward Dames of Psi-Tech said in April 1995 on
NBC's The Other Side program: "The US government has an electronic
device which could implant thoughts in people." Dames would not
comment any further. P. 167, 170, 172

On 22 April 1993, the main evening news on BBC Television broadcast a
story on a new American development – a non-lethal weapon. David
Shukman, Defense Correspondent, interviewed US Army Colonel John B.
Alexander and Janet Morris, two of the main proponents of a concept of
disorientating an enemy and rendering them incapable of retaliating
without actually causing any obvious physical harm.[54] The main
person behind this concept was Col. Alexander. He spent part of his
career as a Commander of Green Berets Special Forces in Vietnam, and
currently holds the post of Director of Non-lethal Programs at Los
Alamos National Laboratories. P. 175, 179

In 1991, Janet Morris issued a number of papers[55] and the US Army
published a detailed draft report on ‘Operations Concept for Disabling
Measures.' Laboratories were "developing a high power, very low
frequency acoustic beam weapon" projecting non-penetrating, high
frequency acoustic bullets. According to one Morris paper, US Special
Operations Command already had a portable microwave weapon.[56] "US
Special Forces can cook internal organs."[57] ‘Infrasound' used
acoustic beams. Very low frequency (VLF) sound, or low frequency RF
modulations can cause nausea, vomiting and abdominal pains. "Some very
low frequency sound generators, in certain frequency ranges, can cause
the disruption of human organs and, at high power levels, can crumble
masonry."[58] P. 176, 178, 179

That such weapons have been used can be in little doubt. When the
deployment of Cruise missiles at American bases in the UK was at its
height, women peace campaigners staged a series of highly publicized
peaceful protests. In late 1985, the women living in the peace camps
at Greenham Common began to experience unusual patterns of illness,
ranging from severe headaches, drowsiness, menstrual bleeding after
the onset of menopause, to bouts of temporary paralysis and faulty
speech coordination. Electronics Today magazine carried out a number
of measurements, and in December 1985 published their report which
concluded: "Readings taken with a wide range of signal strength meters
showed marked increases in the background signal level near one of the
women's camps at a time when they claimed to be experiencing ill
effects." They noted that if the women created noise or a disturbance
near the fence, the signals rose sharply. P. 201

The evidence suggests that the technology to produce ‘voices in the
head' does exist. The Dept. of Defense acquired technology to alter
consciousness through various projects and programs. The abstract from
one program states: "A system for altering the states of human
consciousness involves the simultaneous application of multiple
stimuli, preferably sounds, having different frequencies and wave
forms."[59] From another: "Researchers have devised a variety of
systems for stimulating the brain to exhibit specific brain wave
rhythms and thereby alter the state of consciousness of the individual
subject."[60] Silent subliminal messages were "used throughout
Operation Desert Storm (Iraq) quite successfully."[61] P. 203, 204

Various types of apparatus have been tested and used to ‘inject'
intelligible sounds into the heads of human beings. Sound could also
be induced in someone's head by radiating the head with radio waves
including microwaves in the range of 100 to 10,000 MHz, that are
modulated with particular waveform. P. 204

The latest development in the technology of induced fear and mind
control is the cloning of the human EEG or brain waves of any targeted
victim, or indeed groups. With the use of powerful computers, segments
of human emotions which include anger, anxiety, sadness, fear,
embarrassment, jealousy, resentment, shame, and terror, have been
identified and isolated within the EEG signals as ‘emotion signature
clusters.' Their relevant frequencies and amplitudes have been
measured. Then the very frequency/amplitude cluster is synthesized and
stored on another computer. Each one of these negative emotions is
properly and separately tagged. They are then placed on the Silent
Sound carrier frequencies and could silently trigger the occurrence of
the same basic emotion in another human being. P. 205

The entire non-lethal weapon concept is literally a Pandora's Box of
unknown consequences. P. 179

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[1] Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Factbook on Intelligence,
available at http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/index.html.

[2] Final Report. Book 1, Foreign and Military Intelligence. Senate
Select Committee to Study Government Operations with Respect to
Intelligence Activities, 94th Congress, 2nd Session, 26 April 1976,
Special Report No. 94-755 (Better known as the Church Committee
Report). Also see Book 1, P. 406

[3] Hunt, L. Secret Agenda. The United States Government, Nazi
Scientists, and Project Paperclip, 1945 to 1990. New York: St.
Martin's Press

[4] Simpson, C. Blowback. The First Full Account of America's
Recruitment of Nazis, and the Disastrous Effect on Our Domestic and
Foreign Policy. New York: Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1988.

[5] Human Drug Testing by CIA, p 202. Joint Hearing, Before the Select
Committee on Health and Scientific Research of the Committee on Human
Resources, US Senate, 95th Congress, 1st Session, 3 August 1977. The
administrator was Sydney Gottlieb, head of TSD.

[6] Final Report. Book 1, Foreign and Military Intelligence. Senate
Select Committee to Study Government Operations with Respect to
Intelligence Activities, 94th Congress, 2nd Session, 26 April 1976,
Special Report No. 94-755 (Better known as the Church Committee
Report). Also see Book 1, p. 406

[7] Eringer, Robert. Secret Agent Man. Rolling Stone, 1985

[8] Memorandum from ADDP Helms to DCI Dulles, dated 3 April 1953, Tab
A, pp. 1-2

[9] Ibid. Church Committee Report, Book 1, p. 402

[10] CIA MORI ID 17748, pp. 1, 4. Report of the Inspection of
MKULTRA/TSD, 26 July 1963. Order this and other CIA mind control
documents direct from government at
www.WantToKnow.info/mindcontrol10pg#ciadocs.

[11] Chan MD, Wallace L. Memorandum for the Record: Establishing and
substantiating the ‘bona fides' of agent and/or staff personnel
through techniques and methods other than interrogation. Undated.

[12] Summary Report on CIA Investigation of MKNAOMI, Report Book I,
pp. 360-63. Also see Kennedy Subcommittee Hearings on Biological
Testing Involving Human Subjects by DOD, 1977

[13] Francis Gary Powers, the U-2 pilot captured by Soviet Union,
carried one such toxin concealed in a silver dollar, and did not use
it.

[14] Church Committee Report, book 1 p. 395, states that one of the
three principal functions of the Special Operations Division (SOD) of
the US Army Biological Center at Fort Detrick was to conduct
"biological research for the CIA." In early 1952, SOD agreed "to
assist CIA in developing, testing, and maintaining biological agents
delivery systems. By this agreement, CIA acquired the knowledge,
skill, and facilities of the Army to develop biological weapons suited
for the CIA's use." Church Committee Report, Book 1, p. 389. Many of
the early CIA LSD tests were conducted at Fort Detrick.

[15] USAINTC Letter to ACSI, DA. Subject: Staff Study: Material
Testing Program EA1279, dated 15 October 1959. (Includes a reference
to ACSI-SC letter, 27 July 1959, requesting study.)

[16] Mark, V.H., & Ervin, F.R. Violence and the Brain. New York:
Harper & Row, 1970

[17] Daly, Prof. Robert - expert in sensory deprivation. A graduate
from Dublin University, Rep. Of Ireland. Instructor in psychiatry at
the University of North Carolina. Later a lecturer at Edinburgh
University before taking post at the University College, Cork, Rep. Of
Ireland.

[18] Daly, Robert. Psychiatric After-effects of Irish Prisoners
Subjected to Ill-Treatment and Torture. New Scientist, 5, August 1976

[19] Puharich, A. The Sacred Mushroom, Garden City, New York:
Doubleday, 1959

[20] Among the half dozen senators supporting the program, were
Clairborne Pell [D-Rhode Island] and Robert C. Byrd [D-W. Virginia].
In the course of the program, C. Richard D'Amoto, Senator Byrd's staff
member, and an intelligence specialist, several times successfully
quashed DIA's effort to kill the RV program.

[21] A May 1992 Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) document, classified
Secret/NOFORN, still reflects the US intelligence community fears
about psychic research: "Photography and available open source
literature concerning the scope and thrust of the Chinese PS
[parapsychology] effort. Collection efforts are an attempt to update
DIA holdings and plug a 5-10 year intelligence gap in this area."

[22] British newspapers gave a variety of figures. The Sunday Times,
Dec.3 1995, quoted the figure $12 million, and Guardian, Sep. 30 1995,
quoted a figure of $11 million.

[23] Novel Biophysical Information Transfer Mechanist (NBIT), Final
Report. Jan. 14, 1975. Records released to author by the CIA.

[24] Swann, Ingo. Remote Viewing as One of Sidhis, January 10, 1996,
Internet. Also see Rivlin, Robert & Gravelle, Karen. The Expanding
World of Human Perception. New York: Simon and Schuster, 1984.

[25] Wilhelm, John L. Psychic Spying. Washington Post, Sunday
Magazine, Aug. 7, 1977

[26] Mumford Phd, Michael D., Rose, Phd, Andrew M., & Goslin, Phd,
David A. An Evaluation of Remote Viewing: Research and Applications.
Prepared by the American Institute of Research (AIR), Sep. 29, 1995.
Executive Summary; Research Evaluation. After the publication of this
report in Jan. 1996, Congress, with the DOD and CIA, halted further
funding for psychic research.

[27] Perceptual Augmentation Techniques [Classified Secret], Part One
– Executive Summary. Final Report Covering the Period Jan. 74 through
Feb. 75, H.E. Puthoff, and Russell Targ. Electronics and
Bioengineering Laboratory, SRI Project 3183. Approved by Earle Jones,
Director, Electronics and Bioengineering Lab., Bonner Cox, Executive
Director, Information Science and engineering Division. Records
released by the CIA, 1995

[28] Swann, Ingo. The 1973 Remote Viewing Probe of the Planet Jupiter.
Internet. December 12, 1995. Ms. Beverly Humphrey, a research
associate and statistical analyst, SRI Radio Physics Lab., prepared a
formal report on behalf of Puthoff and Targ. The report was 300 pages
long, and was widely distributed. Also, see Puthoff, H.E. and Targ,
Russell. Mind Reach. Delacorate Press/Eleanor/Friede, New York, 1977

[29] Russel Targ confirmed that some RV work was done on the Soviets'
submarines, but the result was never fed back to them due to the
classified nature of the relevant program. Telephone conversation with
Targ, April 23, 1996.

[30] Swann, Ingo. Interview on "Dreamland" transcribed Organization
(sic; literal transcription): University of Wisconsin, Dec. 12, 1996

[31] McRae, Ronald M. Mind Wars, New York: St. Martin Press, 1984, p.
78-79, and Brian Josephson speaking on the BBC World Service radio
program "The Unexplained, May 5, 1987.

[32] McRae, Ronald M. Mind Wars, New York: St. Martin Press, 1984, p.
82, 84

[33] US House of Representatives, June 1981, Survey of Science and
Technology Issues Present and Future, 530-pages

[34] While in letters of July 22 and November 27, 1992, the CIA had
previously denied the author having any documents on this subject, it
has now admitted to possessing over one hundred thousand pages of
records.

[35] Copies of these documents were sent to me in Aug. 1995

[36] Film footage in author's archive.

[37] Kreech, David. Controlling the Mind Controllers. THINK 32,
July/August 1966

[38] Scheflin, A.W., & Opten, Edward M. Mind Manipulators. New York:
Paddington Press, 1978 pp. 332, 337

[39] Lilly, p.90

[40] Lilly, p. 91

[41] Hypnosis in Intelligence - Technical Report (Confidential – CIA),
October 1966.

[42] Fisher, S. An Investigation of Alleged Conditioning Phenomena
Under Hypnosis. Journal of Clinical Experimental Hypnosis, 1955, 3,
pp. 71-103

[43] Rowland, L.W., Will Hypnotized Persons Try to Harm Themselves or
Others? Journal of Abnormal Social Psychology, 1939, 34, pp. 114-117

[44] Janet, P. Psychological Healing; A Historical and Clinical Study,
London: George Allen and Unwin, 1925

[45] Lawrence's real name was given to me by more than one source as
Arthur J. Ford.

[46] Kaznacheyev, V.P., et al. Apparent Information Transfer Between
Two Groups of Cells, Psychoenergetic System, Vol.1, Dec. 1974, and
Distant Intercellular Interactions in a System of Two Issue Cultures,
Psychoenergetic System, Vol. 1, no. 3, March 1976. John Alexander, the
founding father of the non-lethal weapon concept, also has a keen
interest in this subject. Several of his on the record conversations
with various American researchers, examining the possibilities of
inducing illness form a distance, are in my archives.

[47] Personal correspondence with an American biophysicist who
participated in an exchange program at the University of Prague in
1979. See details in The New Mental Battlefield. Military Review,
English Edition. December 1980

[48] The Naval Aerospace Medical Research Laboratory in Pensacola,
Florida, in the course of their tests carried out in Project SANGUINE,
in Clam Lake, discovered that exposure to the magnetic field component
in the SANGUINE antenna – within an ELF field of 45 to 74 Hz.-
produced stress identical to that induced by gross alcohol
consumption: Records released by the US Navy on Project SANGUINE to
the author. See also Becker, Robert. Cross Currents. Jeremy P.
Tarcher, Inc., Los Angeles, p. 202

[49] Victorian, Armen. The Killing of Robert Strom. Open Eye,No. 3,
1995. The Strom story was covered by CBS News Sixty Minutes, Strom vs.
Boeing, produced by David Aummel, March 5, 1989

[50] Microwave US-USSR, Vol VI, July-Dec. 1976 p. 4, Office of
Security, US Dept. of State.

[51] Bawin, S.M., Gavlas-Medici, R.J., & Adey, W.R. Effects of
Modulated VHF Fields on Specific Brain Rhythms in Cats. Brain
Research, Vol.58, 1973, pp. 365-384

[52] Telephone conversation with the author, May 1992

[53] Mind Reading Computer. Time, July 1, 1974, p. 67. See also
Rorvik, David M. As Man Becomes Machine. London: Sphere Books, 1979

[54] Letter dated April 2, 1993, to author from Mrs. Victoria
Alexander

[55] The USGSC has issued a wide variety of papers on the nonlethal
weapons concept. For example, In Search of Nonlethal Strategy,by Janet
Morris; Nonlethality: A Global Strategy- White Paper; Nonlethality
Briefing Supplement No. 1; and nonlethality in the Operational
Continuum.

[56] Taped conversation with Janet Morris, March 1, 1993

[57] Wall Street Journal, Jan. 4, 1993.

[58] Morris, Janet. In Search of a Non-lethal Strategy. USGCS, p. 14.

[59] Method and System for Altering Consciousness, Patent 5,289,438,
US Patent Office, Feb. 22, 1994.

[60] Method and System for Altering Consciousness, Patent 5,123,899,
US Patent Office, June 23 1992

[61] Letter from Edward Tilton, Dec. 13, 1996

Barbara Schwarz

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Can anybody confront that posting? Interesting is also that some
people claimed that remote viewing does not work. According to Armen
Victorian and FOIA CIA records, it did.

Barbara Schwarz

theonewhosha...@emailaccount.com (Guess who?) wrote in message news:<7a350238.0404...@posting.google.com>...

> a ?secret war' against the Soviets. Forrestal's initiative led to the

> execution of psychological warfare operations (psy-ops) in Europe. It
> was decided that the communist threat took priority over
> constitutional rights. A Presidential Secret Order had the effect of
> greatly increasing the CIA's powers. P. 7,8
>
>

> The concept of running a secret ?black' project was no longer novel.

> In 1941, Roosevelt decided, without consulting Congress, that the US
> should proceed with the utmost secrecy to develop an atomic bomb.
> Secrecy shrouded the Manhattan Project (the atomic bomb program) to
> the extent that Vice President Harry Truman knew nothing about it. The
> project meant that by 1947, the government had already gained vast
> experience in the initiation of secret operations. The existence of

> ?black projects' funded by ?black budgets' was withheld not only from

> the public, but also from Congress for reasons of national security.
> P. 8-10
>
>
> In 1949, Congress enacted provisions permitting the Agency [CIA] to
> use confidential fiscal and administrative procedures, and exempting
> the CIA from many of the usual limitations on the expenditure of
> federal funds. They exempted the CIA from having to disclose its
> "functions, names, officials, titles, salaries, or number of personnel
> employed." P. 4
>
>
> One of the main areas to be investigated by the CIA was mind control.
> Many other branches of the government took part in the study of this

> area. Under the protection of ?national security', these branches

> way people think and act ? and how it is possible to sap their will to

> techniques. The Korean War ? which started almost a year after the
> beginning of Project BUUEBIRD ? was influential. The return of

> ?informed consent' prior to receiving LSD. There was a deliberate

> attempt to deny the volunteers any information that would have
> permitted them to evaluate the dangers involved. According to the
> testimony of Charles L. Shirley Jr., one of the volunteers, belief
> amongst most of the volunteers was that if they declined to
> participate in the tests, it would have put them in immediate disfavor
> with their superiors. P. 20, 21, 32
>
>
> Hallucinogenic-type drug experiments were also conducted by elements
> of the US Army Intelligence community. Most of the related records
> have been destroyed. A coordinated psychochemical drug project started

> in November 1957. The plan was entitled ?Material Testing Program EA

> 1279' and involved the use of LSD. Experiments were conducted on
> groups of volunteers to evaluate their ability to lie whilst under the

> influence of LSD. There were also ?Memory Impairment Tests,' to assess

> ?unfreezing process' through which psychological defenses were broken

> biologists and neurologists."[24] P. 108?110
>
>
> ASPR experiments using a ?beacon' were not of much use for any
> espionage remote viewing program. Swann developed map coordinates ?
> latitude and longitude ? leading to the birth of Project SCANATE on 29

> May 1973. When Ingo Swann made his first attempt at remote viewing a
> site having only been given coordinates, he had startling results. He
> described the features of the small French administered island of
> Kerguelen in the Indian Ocean, including the layout of buildings and
> what appeared to be a joint French-Soviet meteorological research
> installation. He even drew a passable map of the island. P. 111, 112
>
>
> Pat Price gave an equally detailed account of a site, given only a set
> of map coordinates for the target. In a five-page commentary of his
> remote viewing tour, Price started off 1,500 feet above the site and
> went through a complex of buildings and underground storage areas. The
> report described communication and computer equipment manned by Army
> personnel, names on desks in the building, and even the labels on file
> folders in a locked cabinet in one room.[25] He quoted code words and

> named the site ? Haystack ? and the personnel stationed there. A

> security officer present stated, "Hell, there's no security left." P.
> 112
>
>
> In 1972, Harold Puthoff was involved in laser research at SRI.
> Putoff[26] became persuaded that "war can almost always be traced to a
> failure in intelligence, and that therefore, the strongest weapon for
> peace is good intelligence." Puthoff's colleague, Russell Targ, who
> had a long history of involvement in parapsychology, joined the team.
> By 1975, Puthoff and Targ could report that: "The development of this
> capability [RV] at SRI has evolved to the point where visiting CIA
> personnel with no previous exposure to such concepts have performed
> well under controlled laboratory conditions (that is, generated target
> descriptions of sufficiently high quality to permit blind matching of
> descriptions to targets by independent judges).[27] P. 132, 134
>
>
> One of the most intriguing of the 55 SRI experiments[28] was "to
> ascertain if remote sensing could extend to a very far distance. The
> target chosen was the planet Jupiter. The date of the experiment 27
> April 1973. In the course of this attempt, a ring around Jupiter was
> discovered. The existence of the ring was confirmed in early 1979, six
> years later. The 300-page report of this viewing was sent to a number
> of scientific institutions, including NASA. P. 134, 135
>
>
> Some of the results of RV experiments were startling. Between
> 1975/76,[29] Ingo Swann was asked to remote view Soviet submarines.
> According to Swann, "all sorts of brass [were] sitting there. Puthoff
> was on my left, and this two or three star general was on my right.

> This was one of those ?big tests' with witnesses, and the room was

> filled. And so I was doing my remote viewing, and I came across

> something. I stopped in my tracks. I looked at it and said, ?Oh my
> God.' I whispered over Hal's ear and said ?Hal, I don't know what to

> do. I think this submarine has shot down a UFO or the UFO fired on
> her. What shall I do? Puthoff was as pale as anything. He looked at me

> and whispered, ?You do what you think you should do." So I sketched

> out this picture of this UFO and this brass sitting on my right

> grabbed it."?.Three days later Puthoff got a call. The call said, "OK,

> Research into ?Psi' Phenomena: Current Status and Trends of

> Congressional Concern. P. 116
>
>
> In July 1995 the CIA went public and declared its interest in Remote
> Viewing.[34][35] As a result, much new information became available.
> At that time, the CIA and US Department of Defense had a 22-year
> operational track record in RV. The CIA was involved from 1973 to
> 1977, and the DOD from 1977 to 1995. In 1995, the CIA declassified and
> released RV documents. P. 127
>
>
> Electronic Implants
>
>
> Jose Delgado's development of the Stimoceiver in the 1950s brought
> intelligence agencies' ultimate dream of controlling human behavior

> one step closer to reality. The Stimoceiver?a miniature electrode

> capable of receiving and transmitting electronic signals by FM

> radio?could be placed within an individual's cranium. And once in

> place, an outside operator could manipulate the subject's responses.
> Delgado demonstrated the potential of his Stimoceivers by wiring a
> fully-grown bull. With the device in place, Delgado stepped into the

> ring with the bull. The animal charged towards the experimenter ? and

> then suddenly stopped, just before it reached him. The powerful beast
> had been stopped with the simple action of pushing a button on a small
> box held in Delgado's hand.[36] P. 147
>
>
> In 1966, Delgado asserted that his experiments[37] "support the
> distasteful conclusion that motion, emotion and behavior can be
> directed by electrical forces and that humans can be controlled like
> robots by push buttons. P. 147
>
>
> The records on Subproject 94, part of Project MKULTRA, dated 22
> November 1961, describe the purpose: "Miniaturized stimulating
> electrode implants in specific brain center areas will be utilized.
> The feasibility of remote control of activities in several species of
> animals has been demonstrated. The present investigations are directed
> toward improvement of techniques and will provide precise mapping of
> the useful brain centers. The ultimate objective of this research is
> to provide an understanding of the mechanisms involved in the
> directional control of animals and to provide practical systems

> suitable for (deleted ? ?human'?) application." P. 149

>
>
> A file released by the US Army dated 22 August 1975 is a demonstration
> of how patients were used as guinea pigs for mind control studies.
> Electrodes were inserted into parts of their brains, ostensibly
> because it could help to heal them. P. 151
>
>
> Robert G. Heath, of Tulane University, achieved great notoriety by

> implanting 125 electrodes in his subjects, in an attempt to ?cure'

> homosexuality with ESB (electronic stimulation of the brain). He
> discovered that he could control his patients by inducing fear,
> arousal, hallucination, and pleasure.[38] John C. Lilly accomplished
> similar effects using devices of his own invention during the 1950s.
> Using ESB, monkeys continually stimulated themselves to orgasm at
> three-minute intervals for sixteen hours a day.[39] P. 149, 150
>
>
> Dr. Lilly once reminded the director of the National Institute for
> Mental Health of an important dilemma: "Dr. Remond has demonstrated
> that this method of stimulation of the brain can be applied to the
> human without the help of a neurosurgeon. This means that anyone with
> the proper apparatus can carry this out on a person covertly, with no
> external signs that electrodes have been used on that person. If this
> technique got into the hands of a security agency, they would have
> control over a human being and be able to change his beliefs extremely
> quickly, leaving little evidence of what they had done."[40] P. 151
>
>
> Hypnosis
>
>
> 1954 was the height of Project ARTICHOKE's attempt to use hypnosis to

> ?program' an assassin. The Agency [CIA] had discovered that "a

> posthypnotic suggestion is believed to remain effective for several
> months, and for years if periodically reinforced."[41] P. 155, 156
>
>
> J.G. Watkins[42] "induced a soldier to strike a superior officer by
> suggesting that the officer was a Japanese soldier." He obtained from
> a hypnotized WAC "information classified secret that she had
> previously told him she would not reveal." Two subjects who were told
> to throw sulphuric acid at a laboratory assistant (protected by glass)
> complied with the hypnotist's commands.[43] P. Janet[44] asked a
> deeply hypnotized female to commit several murders before a
> distinguished group of judges, stabbing some victims with rubber
> daggers and poisoning others with sugar tablets. The hypnotized
> subject did all these without hesitation. P. 158, 160
>
>
> Remote hypnosis was also studied. One of the special projects that the
> CIA has never officially admitted involved the use of a Stimoceiver to
> induce a hypnotic state. The nasal cavity and the ear were generally
> used for implantation. Former FBI agent, Arthur J. Ford, who left the
> Bureau to become a journalist under the name of Lincoln Lawrence,[45]
> was the first to reveal this in his 1965 book Were we Controlled? P.
> 161
>
>
> According to a CIA source, a subject could also carry out orders for
> his or her personal destruction. This was usually done at the
> completion of a mission for which the subject was initially

> programmed. If the subject becomes a liability, the ?self-destruction'

> mechanism could be triggered before completion of the main task. The
> method would leave behind no clue for enemy investigators. P. 163
>
>
> Non-lethal Weaponry and Waging War
>
>
> From 1960 to 1965, the American Embassy in Moscow was targeted by a
> mixture of electromagnetic waves and microwaves causing a wide range
> of physical and mental illness among personnel serving there, which
> culminated in the eventual death of the US Ambassador. The

> electromagnetic waves beamed at the embassy were in the short ?S' and
> long ?L' spectrum and had complex modulations, some of which were

> random. P. 191, 192
>
>
> In April 1976, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger sent the following
> telegram to the US Embassy in Moscow: "Beginning in 1960, the Soviet
> Union directed high frequency beams of radiation at the US Embassy in
> Moscow which were calculated not to pick up intelligence, but cause
> physiological effects on personnel. It has been verified that the
> effects are not temporary. Definitely tied to such radiation and the
> UHF/VHF electromagnetic waves are: (A) Cataracts, (B) Heart attacks,
> (C) Malignancies, (D) Circulatory problems, and (E) Permanent
> deterioration of the nervous system. In most cases, the after-effects

> do not become evident until long after exposure ? a decade or more."

> P. 189, 191, 192
>
>
> The former Soviet Union had a long history of psychic manipulation

> programs using techniques such as psychotronics ? the use of radiated

> story on a new American development ? a non-lethal weapon. David

> Shukman, Defense Correspondent, interviewed US Army Colonel John B.
> Alexander and Janet Morris, two of the main proponents of a concept of
> disorientating an enemy and rendering them incapable of retaliating
> without actually causing any obvious physical harm.[54] The main
> person behind this concept was Col. Alexander. He spent part of his
> career as a Commander of Green Berets Special Forces in Vietnam, and
> currently holds the post of Director of Non-lethal Programs at Los
> Alamos National Laboratories. P. 175, 179
>
>
> In 1991, Janet Morris issued a number of papers[55] and the US Army

> published a detailed draft report on ?Operations Concept for Disabling

> Measures.' Laboratories were "developing a high power, very low
> frequency acoustic beam weapon" projecting non-penetrating, high
> frequency acoustic bullets. According to one Morris paper, US Special
> Operations Command already had a portable microwave weapon.[56] "US

> Special Forces can cook internal organs."[57] ?Infrasound' used

> acoustic beams. Very low frequency (VLF) sound, or low frequency RF
> modulations can cause nausea, vomiting and abdominal pains. "Some very
> low frequency sound generators, in certain frequency ranges, can cause
> the disruption of human organs and, at high power levels, can crumble
> masonry."[58] P. 176, 178, 179
>
>
> That such weapons have been used can be in little doubt. When the
> deployment of Cruise missiles at American bases in the UK was at its
> height, women peace campaigners staged a series of highly publicized
> peaceful protests. In late 1985, the women living in the peace camps
> at Greenham Common began to experience unusual patterns of illness,
> ranging from severe headaches, drowsiness, menstrual bleeding after
> the onset of menopause, to bouts of temporary paralysis and faulty
> speech coordination. Electronics Today magazine carried out a number
> of measurements, and in December 1985 published their report which
> concluded: "Readings taken with a wide range of signal strength meters
> showed marked increases in the background signal level near one of the
> women's camps at a time when they claimed to be experiencing ill
> effects." They noted that if the women created noise or a disturbance
> near the fence, the signals rose sharply. P. 201
>
>

> The evidence suggests that the technology to produce ?voices in the

> head' does exist. The Dept. of Defense acquired technology to alter
> consciousness through various projects and programs. The abstract from
> one program states: "A system for altering the states of human
> consciousness involves the simultaneous application of multiple
> stimuli, preferably sounds, having different frequencies and wave
> forms."[59] From another: "Researchers have devised a variety of
> systems for stimulating the brain to exhibit specific brain wave
> rhythms and thereby alter the state of consciousness of the individual
> subject."[60] Silent subliminal messages were "used throughout
> Operation Desert Storm (Iraq) quite successfully."[61] P. 203, 204
>
>

> Various types of apparatus have been tested and used to ?inject'

> intelligible sounds into the heads of human beings. Sound could also
> be induced in someone's head by radiating the head with radio waves
> including microwaves in the range of 100 to 10,000 MHz, that are
> modulated with particular waveform. P. 204
>
>
> The latest development in the technology of induced fear and mind
> control is the cloning of the human EEG or brain waves of any targeted
> victim, or indeed groups. With the use of powerful computers, segments
> of human emotions which include anger, anxiety, sadness, fear,
> embarrassment, jealousy, resentment, shame, and terror, have been

> identified and isolated within the EEG signals as ?emotion signature

> substantiating the ?bona fides' of agent and/or staff personnel

> ? Executive Summary. Final Report Covering the Period Jan. 74 through

> [41] Hypnosis in Intelligence - Technical Report (Confidential ? CIA),

> in the SANGUINE antenna ? within an ELF field of 45 to 74 Hz.-

Kilolani

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Apr 9, 2004, 5:43:56 PM4/9/04

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"Barbara Schwarz" <Stilllov...@myway.com> wrote in message
news:bf456302.04040...@posting.google.com...

> Can anybody confront that posting? Interesting is also that some
> people claimed that remote viewing does not work. According to Armen
> Victorian and FOIA CIA records, it did.
>
> Barbara Schwarz

And you found it necessary to regurgitate the entire mess because...?

Barbara Schwarz

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Apr 10, 2004, 7:14:03 PM4/10/04

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"Kilolani" <star...@ATkilolaniDOT.net> wrote in message news:<wOEdc.3536$A_4...@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...

Because those guys run you, consciously and subconciously and the rest
of the world. That's why. It is a mighty good reason. I don't think
that Armen Victorian or Dr. Kilde got it all. But they found quite
something out about that and Armen Victorian documented the U.S.
involvement in the German Nazi psych mindcontrol.

Barbara Schwarz

Abraham Buckingham

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Apr 11, 2004, 1:35:23 PM4/11/04

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Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.0404...@posting.google.com>...

Barbara, why are you wasting your time on the internet then? COME SAVE
ME I'M BEING MIND CONTROLED.

Barbara Schwarz

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Apr 12, 2004, 6:52:20 PM4/12/04

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twizl...@hotmail.com (Abraham Buckingham) wrote in message news:<8c314ad3.0404...@posting.google.com>...

Everybody is, "Abe". The entire world has the implants and is
subconcously controlled in obedience, stupitidy, sickness, aging and
death. Could be all so wonderful without psychiatric mindcontrollers.

What do you want me to do? To cut the implants out of you? According
to Dr. Kilde they are real hard to find. That would hurt. No, the top
mindcontrollers must be busted, their system to talk in subconcious
mind of people, must be outlawed.

You have to convince the case officers to blow the whistle on the
system. They are in a trap too. Everybody is.

Barbara Schwarz

P.S. Postings with e-mail address Barbara...@emailaccount.com and
identities "Barbara_Schwarz", "the real Barbara Schwarz de Rothschild"
and "Truth Speaker 2" are not done by me. Neither are the postings
done with Barbara...@myway.com. I post with
Barbara...@myway.com. Those are forgeries of criminal, Aids
infected, gay lunatic Garry Lynn Scarff who is also a fanatical Dave
Touretzky defender. Scarff persecutes me from thread to thread often
using my name as identity for those crimes (!) and verbally assaults
me, threatens me, harasses me, sexually harasses me, tries to
intimidate me, libels, insults and lies about me. He also lied that he
spoke to a roomate of mine in the Utah mental health hospital. I never
was in that hospital, but he probably escaped from one. Scarff is
active member of the gay WeHo "church", that according to Scarff
applaudes Scarffs lawless behavior against me. An ex-WeHo member wrote
me that this "church" sanctions and promotes dishonorable behavior and
that he and his friends were raped and drugged by one of their active
members, and that one of their active members murdered others under
the guise of "drug overdose". The ex-WeHo wrote that the gay men make
sexual innuendo during sermon and "church" leadership doesn't see
what's wrong with that.

Frederic Rice, another fierce David Touretzky defender, posted also
with the stolen identity de Rothschild. He is as little a de
Rothschild as a dirty slimy and greasy punch bag is an impressive man.
He threatened governmental officials over the Internet, wants to
celebrate when both President Bush's are dead and has tips on his
website on how to kill bikers.

Barbara Graham Warr, self-proclaimed "caplain" of the A.R.S. newsgroup
and snakepit, another David Touretzky promoter, is a DUI offender and
pleaded guilty to possession and manufacturing of prohibited weapon
under California penal code. She congratulated the WeHo "congregation"
accepting Scarff's criminal behaviors against me. However, she posted
before that there is no God. She also posts with stolen identity de
Rothschild and with the stolen identity of the late L. Ron Hubbard . -
For more, click on the below links.

Still_lying_about_Marty

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Apr 13, 2004, 2:03:40 AM4/13/04

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Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.04040...@posting.google.com>...

> Can anybody confront that posting? Interesting is also that some
> people claimed that remote viewing does not work. According to Armen
> Victorian and FOIA CIA records, it did.

STOP STEALING MY IDENTITY!!!!

Dave Bird

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Apr 13, 2004, 7:48:21 AM4/13/04

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In article<19b9f902.04041...@posting.google.com>,

Still_lying_about_Marty <Barbara...@myway.com> writes:
>Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.040

>4071237....@posting.google.com>...

>> Can anybody confront that posting? Interesting is also that some
>> people claimed that remote viewing does not work. According to Armen
>> Victorian and FOIA CIA records, it did.
>
>STOP STEALING MY IDENTITY!!!!

GIVE HER BACK HER MARBLES!!!!! Or she'll thkweam and thwkeam
until she throws up.

--
FUCK THE SKULL OF HUBBARD, AND BUGGER THE DWARF HE RODE IN ON!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
8====3 (O 0) GROETEN --- PRINTZ XEMU EXTRAWL no real OT has
|n| (COMMANDER, FIFTH INVADER FORCE) ever existed
.................................................................
A society without a religion is like a maniac without a chainsaw.

Tarla

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Apr 13, 2004, 4:09:10 PM4/13/04

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On 12 Apr 2004 15:52:20 -0700, Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara
Schwarz) wrote:

>> Barbara, why are you wasting your time on the internet then? COME SAVE
>> ME I'M BEING MIND CONTROLED.
>
>
>
>Everybody is, "Abe". The entire world has the implants and is
>subconcously controlled in obedience, stupitidy, sickness, aging and
>death. Could be all so wonderful without psychiatric mindcontrollers.

When do they put in these implants?

>
>What do you want me to do? To cut the implants out of you? According
>to Dr. Kilde they are real hard to find. That would hurt. No, the top
>mindcontrollers must be busted, their system to talk in subconcious
>mind of people, must be outlawed.

So, how many of these mind controllers are there? And how many people
does each control?

>
>You have to convince the case officers to blow the whistle on the
>system. They are in a trap too. Everybody is.

Do the case officers know about the implants? How many of them are
there, do you think?
Tarla
****
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for
the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and
abhors is sinful and tyrannical."

--Thomas Jefferson

Barbara Schwarz

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Apr 13, 2004, 5:33:33 PM4/13/04

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Dave Bird <dave.xemu...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<saX5TMAF...@xemu.demon.co.uk>...

> In article<19b9f902.04041...@posting.google.com>,
> Still_lying_about_Marty <Barbara...@myway.com> writes:
> >Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.040
> >4071237....@posting.google.com>...
> >> Can anybody confront that posting? Interesting is also that some
> >> people claimed that remote viewing does not work. According to Armen
> >> Victorian and FOIA CIA records, it did.
> >
> >STOP STEALING MY IDENTITY!!!!
>
> GIVE HER BACK HER MARBLES!!!!! Or she'll thkweam and thwkeam
> until she throws up.

You don't like me to post that signature line, don't you, Dave Bird?
After all, attached is a link to a photo that shows you losing your
pants.

Too bad, Scarff, the identity stealer made me dig it out again.

Barbara Schwarz

P.S. Postings with e-mail address Barbara...@emailaccount.com and
identities "Barbara_Schwarz", "the real Barbara Schwarz de Rothschild"

and "Truth Speaker 2" are not done by me. I also don't post with ID
Still_lying_about_Marty. Those postings are forgeries of criminal,
Aids infected, gay lunatic Garry Lynn Scarff who is a fanatical Dave

Touretzky defender. Scarff persecutes me from thread to thread often
using my name as identity for those crimes (!) and verbally assaults
me, threatens me, harasses me, sexually harasses me, tries to
intimidate me, libels, insults and lies about me. He also lied that he
spoke to a roomate of mine in the Utah mental health hospital. I never
was in that hospital, but he probably escaped from one. Scarff is
active member of the gay WeHo "church", that according to Scarff
applaudes Scarffs lawless behavior against me. An ex-WeHo member wrote
me that this "church" sanctions and promotes dishonorable behavior and
that he and his friends were raped and drugged by one of their active
members, and that one of their active members murdered others under
the guise of "drug overdose". The ex-WeHo wrote that the gay men make

sexual innuendo during sermon and "church" leadership, as their
"Pastor" Terry Brewer, don't see what's wrong with that.

And below is a list of other anti-religious extremists, or psychiatric
trolls, how I call them.

Barbara Schwarz

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Apr 13, 2004, 7:18:50 PM4/13/04

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Dave Bird <dave.xemu...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<saX5TMAF...@xemu.demon.co.uk>...

> In article<19b9f902.04041...@posting.google.com>,
> Still_lying_about_Marty <Barbara...@myway.com> writes:
> >Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.040
> >4071237....@posting.google.com>...
> >> Can anybody confront that posting? Interesting is also that some
> >> people claimed that remote viewing does not work. According to Armen
> >> Victorian and FOIA CIA records, it did.
> >
> >STOP STEALING MY IDENTITY!!!!
>
> GIVE HER BACK HER MARBLES!!!!! Or she'll thkweam and thwkeam
> until she throws up.

Seems that David Bird was again intoxicated or is on psychiatric drugs
while posting it.

Get a life, David, and stop the religious persecution. Buy youself a
good pair of suspenders, take a bath, shave once in a while, find
yourself a good woman and marry her, quit working for the psychs and
get out of my hair. I don't like big men with unzipped pants hanging
in my locks.

Barbara Schwarz

copied from the www.religiousfreedomwatch.org

DAVID BIRD

United Kingdom resident, Dave Bird, is among the most prolific
anti-religious hate mongers on the internet. While claiming to be a
civil libertarian and defender of free speech, his actions - and
writings - are those of someone dedicated to destroying the rights of
others.

May 27, 1999
"You do not *NEED* freedom of religion. You do not *NEED* religion: it
is deranged shite. Everyone would be better without it."

For the truth about religion:
Buddhism, Christianity, Catholicism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism,
Scientology, What is Scientology?, Scientology Theology General

steff0remov...@s.netic.de

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Apr 13, 2004, 7:47:18 PM4/13/04

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theonewhosha...@emailaccount.com (Guess who?) wrote in

news:7a350238.0404...@posting.google.com:

> Did anybody of you read the below information on mindcontrol? It has
> psychs written all over it. Mindcontrol and all related despicable
> activities are the product of the SEGNPMSS (still existing German Nazi
> psych mindcontroller secret service), who existed long before the
> Nazis were created by them. My perception is that they formed as
> organized crime ring and secret service around the 17th century and
> consist in the hard core of German and Bavarian psychiatrists,
> exactly, also called barbers before.

Ooh-bop-,?!, no she know's it all! Just left she mentions my name, Adam
Weishaupt! Oops?

steff

snip

--
"Imagine a church If there ever was an apple, Hubbard was the worm.
so dangerous, you Es ist leichter, hinter einer Sache zu stehen,
must sign a release als vor ihr.
form before you can Only plain text emails are accepted.
receive its "spiritual
assistance.
This assistance might
involve holding you against
your will for an indefinite
period, isolating you from
friends and family, and denying
you access to appropriate medical
care. You will of course be billed
for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not, the release form
absolves your caretakers of all responsibility for your suffering and
death.

Welcome to the Church of Scientology."

Dr. Dave Touretzky
Peter Alexander

steff0remov...@s.netic.de

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Apr 13, 2004, 7:53:35 PM4/13/04

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Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in

news:bf456302.04040...@posting.google.com:

> Can anybody confront that posting? Interesting is also that some
> people claimed that remote viewing does not work. According to Armen
> Victorian and FOIA CIA records, it did.
>
> Barbara Schwarz

Babsie, why don't you mock up someone to talk about it? Like Kestrel?

You know, if you would be someone else, I would even talk about it.
There are interesting and well known aspects to it.
But I cannot afford to feed your agenda. You do not sound concerned at all.
Upset, yes, on pressure, yes, but concerned?
What would you fear?
So what would it be? To gently pull the sheep out of your hair, and put
them on the way to happiness?

steff0remov...@s.netic.de

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Apr 13, 2004, 7:55:41 PM4/13/04

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twizl...@hotmail.com (Abraham Buckingham) wrote in

news:8c314ad3.0404...@posting.google.com:

She looks quite sweet, doesn't she? Ei? Ei? Ooooh, Babsie, I'm fainting, ..
The SP's...

steff

steff0remov...@s.netic.de

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Apr 13, 2004, 7:58:11 PM4/13/04

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Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in

news:bf456302.04041...@posting.google.com:

Babsie, noo, it's luuve, that saves te worlt... Babsiieh.... Oh, myyh,
thi SP's...

steff

>No, the top
> mindcontrollers must be busted, their system to talk in subconcious
> mind of people, must be outlawed.
>
> You have to convince the case officers to blow the whistle on the
> system. They are in a trap too. Everybody is.
>
>
> Barbara Schwarz
>
>

snip

Still_lying_about_Marty

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Apr 14, 2004, 12:46:06 AM4/14/04

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Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.04041...@posting.google.com>...

> Dave Bird <dave.xemu...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<saX5TMAF...@xemu.demon.co.uk>...
> > In article<19b9f902.04041...@posting.google.com>,
> > Still_lying_about_Marty <Barbara...@myway.com> writes:
> > >Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.040
> > >4071237....@posting.google.com>...
> > >> Can anybody confront that posting? Interesting is also that some
> > >> people claimed that remote viewing does not work. According to Armen
> > >> Victorian and FOIA CIA records, it did.
> > >
> > >STOP STEALING MY IDENTITY!!!!
> >
> > GIVE HER BACK HER MARBLES!!!!! Or she'll thkweam and thwkeam
> > until she throws up.
>
> You don't like me to post that signature line, don't you, Dave Bird?
> After all, attached is a link to a photo that shows you losing your
> pants.
>
> Too bad, Scarff, the identity stealer made me dig it out again.

For more informsation on this delusional psychopath, go to:

http://support4hope.com/schizophrenia/schizophrenia_symptoms1.htm#LIST3

P.S. Postings with e-mail addresses
BarbaraSchwar...@wahoo.com,
Martyisir...@emailaccount.com, Stilllov...@myway.com,
Barbara...@excite.com and Martyisir...@emailaccount.com are
not done by me, but maybe they are. It depends if I've remembered to
take my 22 pills that the psychiatrists at the Utah State Hospital
said I have to take if I am to remain sane and lucid.

Other e-mail accounts presumably, but not always, but just maybe are
terrible forgeries of criminal, RolAids infected, gay lunatic Garry
Lynn Scarff who is really an imposter portrayed by singer Britney
Spears, who is also my granddaughter but she doesn't know it yet, a
fanatical Madonna defender. Britney Scarff..I mean...Garry Lynn
Spears...I mean..oh forget it, you know
who I'm talking about..I think..maybe..where's those damn
drugs...procreates with me from thread to thread often using my names
as phony identity for those crimes I committed before I was committed
to the mental institution for the criminally insane for going
bonkers(!)and verbally assaults me, threatens me, harasses me,
sexually harasses me even when Britney Scarff knows I only give really
lousy blowjobs to skid row drunks as a free community service, tries
to imitate, blabbels, insults and lies with me.

She also lied that she spokes to a former lesbian roomate of mine in
the Utah
mental health hospital where I was forcibly incarcerated in 1995-2000.
I never was in that hospital as a sane person, but maybeI was and I
forgot, but she probably escaped from one belonging to Justin
Timberlake. I'm gonna slap that Cameron Dias for stealing my Justin.

Britney Lee Rotschild Scarff is active member of the gay WeHo rodeo,
that according to the shameless Britney Scarff applaudes her lawful
behaviors against me, I thinkest, but I'm not sure. I forgot where I
put my pills. Did you see them? (!) An ex-WeHoHoHoHoHo rodeo dismember
writed me that this gay rodeo sanctions and promotes dishonorable
behavior with bulls and calfs and
milk cows she and his friends were raped and drugged by one of their
active bulls posing as a lesbian matador, and that none of their
active dismembers murdered brothers under the disguise of "drug
overdoses" like the ones I always had before being arrested and
locked up in the mental institutions, and served them up for dinner at
the local restaurants.

The ex-WeHoHoHoHo rodeoists wrote that the gay cows and lesbian bulls
make sexual noises (like baaaaa...baaaaaa.)during rodeo shows and in
their semens and "rodeo" and the breedership doesn't see what's wrong
with that.

Condoleeza Rice, another fierce Madonna defender, posted also with the
stolen identity of Wally the Walrus. He is as little a Wally the
Walrus as a watery and oily otter is an impressive chipmunk. She
threatened imaginary governmental officials over the Internet, wants
to celebrate when both President Bush's dogs are dead and has some
really neat tips on his website on how to kill bakers. Now, what was I
talking about. And where did I put those damned drugs?

Barbara Billingsley, self-proclaimed "chaplain" of the Leave It To
Beaver newsgroup and snakespit, another Madonna promoter, is a Wally &
Beaver offender and pleaded guilty to possession and manufacturing of
prohibited "Meet my Beaver" T-shirts and underwears under California
penis code. She congratulated the gay WeHoHoHoHoHo rodeo accepting
Britney Lee Rothschild Scarff's subliminaland imaginary behaviors
against me and my imaginary husbands which I always visit when I take
the pretty pink and blue
pills my prison psychiatrists give me to be a real person. They say I
am
very sick and delusional but they are all German Nazi secret service
agents in disguise with rusty ear implants. But, she posted before
that there is no God before me..or something like that...I don't
really remember because I can't find my god damn pills my damn
psychotrists said I have to take to stay insane and putrid. She also
pisses with stolen identity Ronald McDonald, the Teeth Fairy, Snow
White, and with the stolen identity of the late criminal cult
leader and terrible liar and my husband L. Ron Hubbard, or Tom Cruise,
I forgot because I can't find my damn pills.

Barbara Schwarz

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Apr 14, 2004, 6:08:03 PM4/14/04

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steff0remov...@s.netic.de wrote in message news:<Xns94CB137922CAEoh...@216.65.98.77>...

> Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in
> news:bf456302.04040...@posting.google.com:
>
> > Can anybody confront that posting? Interesting is also that some
> > people claimed that remote viewing does not work. According to Armen
> > Victorian and FOIA CIA records, it did.
> >
> > Barbara Schwarz
>
> Babsie, why don't you mock up someone to talk about it? Like Kestrel?

I think Kestrel is a real person, concerned about psychiatric crimes.
He is certainly not me, so I have not mocked him up.

I am tired to read and respond to your intoxicated posts, Stefan.
Exchange posts with Garry Scarff. You too deserve each other.

Barbara Schwarz

P.S. Postings with e-mail address Barbara...@emailaccount.com and
identities "Barbara_Schwarz", "the real Barbara Schwarz de Rothschild"
and "Truth Speaker 2" are not done by me. I also don't post with ID

Still_lying_about_Marty.Those postings are forgeries of criminal, Aids

infected, gay lunatic Garry Lynn Scarff who is a fanatical Dave

Touretzky defender. Scarff is nobody on his own. I believe there is
something like the gay Mafia, and Sacrff belongs it it. He would sell
grandmother to be me. Scarff persecutes me from thread to thread often

using my name as identity for those crimes (!) and verbally assaults
me, threatens me, harasses me, sexually harasses me, tries to

intimidate me, libels, insults and lies about me. He also posts with
Dicktop Stud and Papa Boner. He furthermore lied that he spoke to a
roomate of mine in the Utah mental health hospital. I never was in
that hospital, but he probably escaped from one. It is also striking
that especially the worst and most lawless guys, as Scarff, promote
junk science psychiatry.

Scarff is active member of the gay WeHo "church", that according to

Scarff applaudes Scarffs lawless behavior against me. An ex-WeHo

member wrote me that this "church" sanctions and promotes dishonorable
behavior and that he and his friends were raped and drugged by one of
their active members, and that one of their active members murdered

others under the guise of "drug overdose". The ex-WeHo wrote that the
gay men make sexual innuendo during sermon and "church" leadership, as

their "Pastor" Terry Brewer, don't see what's wrong with that.

Barbara Schwarz

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Tarla <tarla...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message news:<42io709bclp5bg0ii...@4ax.com>...

> On 12 Apr 2004 15:52:20 -0700, Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara
> Schwarz) wrote:
>
> >> Barbara, why are you wasting your time on the internet then? COME SAVE
> >> ME I'M BEING MIND CONTROLED.
> >
> >
> >
> >Everybody is, "Abe". The entire world has the implants and is
> >subconcously controlled in obedience, stupitidy, sickness, aging and
> >death. Could be all so wonderful without psychiatric mindcontrollers.
>
> When do they put in these implants?

I bet you know that better than I do. However, for the records, older
school kids implant younger school kids and attach them to a system
from which not all know that still existing Nazi psychs run the show
and keep them all stupid.

> >
> >What do you want me to do? To cut the implants out of you? According
> >to Dr. Kilde they are real hard to find. That would hurt. No, the top
> >mindcontrollers must be busted, their system to talk in subconcious
> >mind of people, must be outlawed.
>
> So, how many of these mind controllers are there?

Lol. You really made me laugh now, Tarla. Have to wipe a tear out of
my eye. I have not counted them. They don't allow that.

> And how many people
> does each control?

The hard core probably are several thousands. The control goes down
like in a pyramid. On top are the case officer with most power and
then it goes down to the bit less influential mindcontrollers, etc. I
think they have a huge psych team trying to stop me, mislead me and
ruining my life, Tarla, they are very occupied with me since I blew
the whistle on their existance, but I think the average person has a
mindcontroller who probably runs a handful street agents. Most work is
done by computers. All thoughts are recorded in them. It is real easy
to run most people as they obey to their codes and agree being run.
They don't know that they are just being controlled.

> >
> >You have to convince the case officers to blow the whistle on the
> >system. They are in a trap too. Everybody is.
>
> Do the case officers know about the implants? How many of them are
> there, do you think?

Implants or case officers? Of course the case officers know about the
implants. They run their street agents through those. However,
according to Dr. Kilde, it is also possible to run people without any
implants now. She might be right. But implants is the sure bet that
somebody thinks and does what they want. It is a bad world and you are
not safe in NZ either.

Barbara Schwarz

Tarla

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Apr 14, 2004, 8:32:07 PM4/14/04

to

On 14 Apr 2004 15:18:06 -0700, Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara
Schwarz) wrote:

>> When do they put in these implants?
>
>I bet you know that better than I do. However, for the records, older
>school kids implant younger school kids and attach them to a system
>from which not all know that still existing Nazi psychs run the show
>and keep them all stupid.

I am seriously curious about this, Barbara. I've told you repeatedly
that I don't know any German psychs or have a case worker or anything
like that. Don't you think that if I'm being mind controlled that I
have a right to know how it happened and how it works?

How do kids implant each other? I don't remember having this done or
doing it to anyone else, but then, I went to a very small school.

>> So, how many of these mind controllers are there?
>Lol. You really made me laugh now, Tarla. Have to wipe a tear out of
>my eye. I have not counted them. They don't allow that.

I was asking for your best guess.

>
>> And how many people
>> does each control?
>
>The hard core probably are several thousands. The control goes down
>like in a pyramid. On top are the case officer with most power and
>then it goes down to the bit less influential mindcontrollers, etc. I
>think they have a huge psych team trying to stop me, mislead me and
>ruining my life, Tarla, they are very occupied with me since I blew
>the whistle on their existance, but I think the average person has a
>mindcontroller who probably runs a handful street agents. Most work is
>done by computers. All thoughts are recorded in them. It is real easy
>to run most people as they obey to their codes and agree being run.
>They don't know that they are just being controlled.

So, basically, the lower level guys aren't aware of what they're
doing, they just handle data and maintain the system, is that it? Only
a few thousand or so actually know what's going on. Is this a
worldwide thing or just in Europe and North America?

>
>> >
>> >You have to convince the case officers to blow the whistle on the
>> >system. They are in a trap too. Everybody is.
>>
>> Do the case officers know about the implants? How many of them are
>> there, do you think?
>
>Implants or case officers? Of course the case officers know about the
>implants. They run their street agents through those. However,
>according to Dr. Kilde, it is also possible to run people without any
>implants now. She might be right. But implants is the sure bet that
>somebody thinks and does what they want. It is a bad world and you are
>not safe in NZ either.

This is why I am asking you about this.
Tarla
****
"The wicked thing about both the little and the great
'collective faiths', prehistoric and historic, is that
they all, without exception, pretend to hold encompassed
in their ritualized mythologies all of the truth ever
to be known.

--Joseph Campbell

Zinj

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In article <cllr70psnrpflgk9f...@4ax.com>,
tarla...@xtra.co.nz says...

> I am seriously curious about this, Barbara. I've told you repeatedly
> that I don't know any German psychs or have a case worker or anything
> like that. Don't you think that if I'm being mind controlled that I
> have a right to know how it happened and how it works?

To cut to the chase; The Still Existing German Nazi Secret Psych Police
(henseforth to be known as 'SMEGMASS') implanted a receiver unit in your
ear at birth (currently known as a 'Nazi Earplant') and yes, you may
have a *right* to know, but you will need to read Self Analysis by
Hubbard to regain your memory of it.

At best.

Back when Barbara liked me more, she suggested that my own Nazi Earplant
was rusty, and that therefore I could recognize her as the single living
person on Teegeeack closest to Hubbard in his methodology.

Nanu.. wir Alle machen eine kleine Dummheit manchmal.

Zinj
--
You can lead a Clam to Reason, but you Can't Make him Think

steff0remov...@s.netic.de

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Apr 14, 2004, 9:16:32 PM4/14/04

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Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in

news:bf456302.04041...@posting.google.com:

> steff0remov...@s.netic.de wrote in message
> news:<Xns94CB137922CAEoh...@216.65.98.77>...
>> Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in
>> news:bf456302.04040...@posting.google.com:
>>
>> > Can anybody confront that posting? Interesting is also that some
>> > people claimed that remote viewing does not work. According to
>> > Armen Victorian and FOIA CIA records, it did.
>> >
>> > Barbara Schwarz
>>
>> Babsie, why don't you mock up someone to talk about it? Like Kestrel?
>
> I think Kestrel is a real person, concerned about psychiatric crimes.
> He is certainly not me, so I have not mocked him up.
>
> I am tired to read and respond to your intoxicated posts, Stefan.

You choose them anyway, the ones you do. And the percentage of direct
answers is below some 20% within any post. One question I repeated twice
is, how many Scientology books do you own.
Why don't you just admit, it isn't one, as you didn't have the money to
restock in America? You could have my full library, this is all the rows,
plus early tapes, two dozen other books, mint condition. I'd make you a
special price.

steff

> Exchange posts with Garry Scarff. You too deserve each other.
>
> Barbara Schwarz

Dicktop_Stud

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Apr 15, 2004, 12:53:55 AM4/15/04

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Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.04041...@posting.google.com>...

> Tarla <tarla...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message news:<42io709bclp5bg0ii...@4ax.com>...

> > On 12 Apr 2004 15:52:20 -0700, Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara
> > Schwarz) wrote:
> >
> > >> Barbara, why are you wasting your time on the internet then? COME SAVE
> > >> ME I'M BEING MIND CONTROLED.>
> > >
> > >Everybody is, "Abe". The entire world has the implants and is
> > >subconcously controlled in obedience, stupitidy, sickness, aging and
> > >death. Could be all so wonderful without psychiatric mindcontrollers.

Yeah, right, sicko!! Forget to take your pretty pink and blue pills, today?

> >
> > When do they put in these implants?
>
> I bet you know that better than I do. However, for the records, older
> school kids implant younger school kids and attach them to a system
> from which not all know that still existing Nazi psychs run the show
> and keep them all stupid.

Right. And when you you make this all up...when you were overdosing on your meds?

> > >
> > >What do you want me to do? To cut the implants out of you? According
> > >to Dr. Kilde they are real hard to find. That would hurt. No, the top
> > >mindcontrollers must be busted, their system to talk in subconcious
> > >mind of people, must be outlawed.
> >
> > So, how many of these mind controllers are there?
> Lol. You really made me laugh now, Tarla. Have to wipe a tear out of
> my eye. I have not counted them. They don't allow that.
>
> > And how many people
> > does each control?
>
> The hard core probably are several thousands. The control goes down
> like in a pyramid. On top are the case officer with most power and
> then it goes down to the bit less influential mindcontrollers, etc. I
> think they have a huge psych team trying to stop me, mislead me and
> ruining my life, Tarla, they are very occupied with me since I blew
> the whistle on their existance, but I think the average person has a
> mindcontroller who probably runs a handful street agents. Most work is
> done by computers. All thoughts are recorded in them. It is real easy
> to run most people as they obey to their codes and agree being run.
> They don't know that they are just being controlled.

Translated: delusional bullshit from a hyper-psychotic.

Dicktop_Stud

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Apr 15, 2004, 1:08:48 AM4/15/04

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Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.04041...@posting.google.com>...

> steff0remov...@s.netic.de wrote in message news:<Xns94CB137922CAEoh...@216.65.98.77>...

> > Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in
> > news:bf456302.04040...@posting.google.com:
> >
> > > Can anybody confront that posting? Interesting is also that some
> > > people claimed that remote viewing does not work. According to Armen
> > > Victorian and FOIA CIA records, it did.
> > >
> > > Barbara Schwarz
> >
> > Babsie, why don't you mock up someone to talk about it? Like Kestrel?
>
> I think Kestrel is a real person, concerned about psychiatric crimes.
> He is certainly not me, so I have not mocked him up.
>
> I am tired to read and respond to your intoxicated posts, Stefan.
> Exchange posts with Garry Scarff. You too deserve each other.

<yawn> The last time I noticed someone like you this mentally
unstable, they were wearing drool bibs and strapped to chairs.

You need to be re-institutionalized, Psycho Queen.

Barbara Schwarz

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Apr 15, 2004, 7:07:23 PM4/15/04

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steff0remov...@s.netic.de wrote in message news:<Xns94CC2189A6D91oh...@216.65.98.77>...

> Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in
> news:bf456302.04041...@posting.google.com:
>
> > steff0remov...@s.netic.de wrote in message
> > news:<Xns94CB137922CAEoh...@216.65.98.77>...
> >> Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in
> >> news:bf456302.04040...@posting.google.com:
> >>
> >> > Can anybody confront that posting? Interesting is also that some
> >> > people claimed that remote viewing does not work. According to
> >> > Armen Victorian and FOIA CIA records, it did.
> >> >
> >> > Barbara Schwarz
> >>
> >> Babsie, why don't you mock up someone to talk about it? Like Kestrel?
> >
> > I think Kestrel is a real person, concerned about psychiatric crimes.
> > He is certainly not me, so I have not mocked him up.
> >
> > I am tired to read and respond to your intoxicated posts, Stefan.
>
> You choose them anyway, the ones you do. And the percentage of direct
> answers is below some 20% within any post. One question I repeated twice
> is, how many Scientology books do you own.

What do you care? Why don't you ask the SEGNPMSS? They spy on me all
day and night, those sick psychs!

> Why don't you just admit, it isn't one, as you didn't have the money to
> restock in America?

I am a fugitive. I had to run from German psychs as they want to steal
my liberty, steal my freedom of speech and want to send me in the
beyond with their inhumane treatments. I can't pay an entire library.
The SLC library has lots of SCN books however, and I am here almost
every day.

You could have my full library, this is all the rows,
> plus early tapes, two dozen other books, mint condition. I'd make you a
> special price.

I don't make business with intoxicated, religious persecutor-Lutherans
and psychiatric trolls.

Barbara Schwarz

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Apr 15, 2004, 8:49:57 PM4/15/04

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steff0remov...@s.netic.de wrote in message news:<Xns94CB126802941oh...@216.65.98.77>...

> theonewhosha...@emailaccount.com (Guess who?) wrote in
> news:7a350238.0404...@posting.google.com:
>
> > Did anybody of you read the below information on mindcontrol? It has
> > psychs written all over it. Mindcontrol and all related despicable
> > activities are the product of the SEGNPMSS (still existing German Nazi
> > psych mindcontroller secret service), who existed long before the
> > Nazis were created by them. My perception is that they formed as
> > organized crime ring and secret service around the 17th century and
> > consist in the hard core of German and Bavarian psychiatrists,
> > exactly, also called barbers before.
>
> Ooh-bop-,?!, no she know's it all! Just left she mentions my name, Adam
> Weishaupt! Oops?
>
> steff

You bet I know it all. As also this:
Al-Zawahiri looks like a psych to me. His case officer certainly is a
full blown German Nazi psych! Putting Bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri, Atta,
and the other remote controlled and hypnotized robots up to their
atrocities was German secret service product, a product of the
SEGNPMSS. Bet on it.

One of the instructors of one of the flight schools, in which Atta
took his flight lessons said that he said he would be German. She said
what was stiking about him was that he was so robotic.
People back in his home country did not describe him as robotic.
German psychs hypnotized him (and the other Sept. 11 terrorists) and
made them to a zombie. They have the technology to do that and they do
it. I saw it in German psych institutions. (Scariest places on earth!)

Moreover, those orientals took over the German hatred against the Jews
and Americans. It is Nazi hatred all over because the Nazi psychs are
still alive and at it, they just hide now behind the middle eastern
people, and they are not getting how they are being used.

Barbara Schwarz

AYMAN AL-ZAWAHIRI: Osama Bin Laden's chief advisor and doctor is a
former
psychiatrist and surgeon, convicted of terrorism in Egypt and
sentenced to
death in absentia. Al-Zawahiri studied behavior, psychology and
pharmacology as
part of his medical degree at Cairo University. His father was a
pharmacologist. According to Vincent Cannistraro, former top CIA
counterterrorist official, "Zawahiri is the guy-he's the operational
commander...number one, on the right hand side of Osama." In terms of
policy,
he says, "it's Zawahiri. He believes that violence is purifying…and he
believes he should determine who the enemies are. He kills innocent
people." In
1996, he was considered the most credible threat and a highly lethal
terrorist
who could strike against the U.S. A warning issued at the time
specified
suicide bombing as the likely form of attack. According to Islamic
lawyer,
Muntasir Zayat, Dr. al-Zawahiri is to Bin Laden "what the brain is to
the
body." Dr. al-Zawahiri "was able to reshape Bin Laden's thinking and
mentality
and turn him from merely a supporter of the Afghan Jihad to a believer
in and
exporter of the Jihad's ideology," the lawyer said. On September 25,
2001,
Interpol issued an arrest warrant for Dr. al-Zawahiri in response to
the
terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.
>

Dicktop_Stud

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Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.04041...@posting.google.com>...

> steff0remov...@s.netic.de wrote in message news:<Xns94CC2189A6D91oh...@216.65.98.77>...

> > Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in
> > news:bf456302.04041...@posting.google.com:
> > >

> > > I am tired to read and respond to your intoxicated posts, Stefan.
> >
> > You choose them anyway, the ones you do. And the percentage of direct
> > answers is below some 20% within any post. One question I repeated twice
> > is, how many Scientology books do you own.
>
> What do you care? Why don't you ask the SEGNPMSS? They spy on me all
> day and night, those sick psychs!

You're overdosing on the medication again, Babble.

>
> > Why don't you just admit, it isn't one, as you didn't have the money to
> > restock in America?
>
> I am a fugitive. I had to run from German psychs as they want to steal
> my liberty, steal my freedom of speech and want to send me in the
> beyond with their inhumane treatments.

LOL! The only thing you're running from is a reality check.

>
> You could have my full library, this is all the rows,
> > plus early tapes, two dozen other books, mint condition. I'd make you a
> > special price.
>
> I don't make business with intoxicated, religious persecutor-Lutherans
> and psychiatric trolls.

Excuses, excuses. <yawn>

Still_lying_about_Marty

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Apr 18, 2004, 3:58:38 AM4/18/04

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Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.04041...@posting.google.com>...

> steff0remov...@s.netic.de wrote in message news:<Xns94CC2189A6D91oh...@216.65.98.77>...
> > Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in
> > news:bf456302.04041...@posting.google.com:
>

> I am a fugitive. I had to run from German psychs as they want to steal
> my liberty, steal my freedom of speech and want to send me in the
> beyond with their inhumane treatments.

LIAR.

I can't pay an entire library.
> The SLC library has lots of SCN books however, and I am here almost
> every day.

WE KNOW. YOU DRESS IN BLACK. YOU'RE BEING WATCHED.

>
> You could have my full library, this is all the rows,
> > plus early tapes, two dozen other books, mint condition. I'd make you a
> > special price.
>
> I don't make business with intoxicated, religious persecutor-Lutherans
> and psychiatric trolls.

You should know about psychiatric trolls, criminal liar. You spent
over 5 years in a psychiatric state hospital.

Barbara Schwarz

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Apr 19, 2004, 12:04:42 PM4/19/04

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Barbara...@myway.com (Still_lying_about_Marty) wrote in message news:<19b9f902.04041...@posting.google.com>...

I wonder how much Dave Touretzky is involved in Scarff's criminal
acts. Scarff was his spokesman before, during the time when I received
the porn harassment letter from Touretzky. Back then, Scarff lied that
the porn bill would be a forgery, and he even made up an employee
"Adrien" of the shop, with whom he allegedly discussed that and other
matters, till one day the shop owner posted that he has no employee
with that name. Scarff lies constantly. If a person would get a wart
for each lie he did during a lifetime, you would not see no Scarff
anymore, just a huge mountain, as high as the Mount Everest, all with
disgusting wiggling red liar warts!

Remember that, Garry Scarff goes regularly to "church", his gay pick
up bar, in which Terry Brewer is a "pastor". I informed Brewer before
about the criminal wrongdoing of Scarff, but Brewer did nothing to
correct Scarff. According to Scarff they laugh about the criminal acts
that Scarff commits against me. Brewer ignored my complaints about
lawless Scarff, which also raises the question what kind of
"religious" man he is.

The authorities really should investigate Brewer and his joint. Former
members of that "church" said that the place is "toxic", and I got
e-mails saying that men were raped in there.

No wonder above the law and perverted Scarff feels well going in that
"church". He has AIDS too. Wonder how many people he already infected
with the virus.

And it would be also interesting to know how deep David Touretzky is
involved having Scarff work for him stealing my identity, violating my
privacy, harasssing me and forging postings in my name.

Barbara Schwarz

steff0remov...@s.netic.de

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Apr 19, 2004, 8:33:33 PM4/19/04

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You are talking plain labeling and slaundering bullshit again, BS, you
never got a porn harrassment letter from Mr. Touretzky. That is *one of
your severe dellusions.

steff

snip

Still_lying_about_Marty

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steff0remov...@s.netic.de wrote in message news:<Xns94D11A441A5E8oh...@216.65.98.77>...

It's not delusional at all, steff. I allowed some Scientologists to
use me and my name to make a phony billing from a fetish store receipt
I found in a dumpster and forged David Touretsky's name on it and had
it mailed to me and other critics. It worked. It got me lots of
attention which I need to make me feel worthwhile to post here.

It's great therapy. It's helped me to lay back on all the anti-schizo
meds that my psychiatrist said I have to take to keep me sane.

Barbara Schwarz
Apartment 401
335 East Broadway
Salt Lake City, UT 84111

SpywareJack

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Apr 20, 2004, 10:16:57 AM4/20/04

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I am with you all the way Barbara

"Barbara Schwarz" <Stilllov...@myway.com> wrote in message

news:bf456302.04041...@posting.google.com...

steff0remov...@s.netic.de

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Apr 20, 2004, 10:27:05 AM4/20/04

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Barbara...@myway.com (Still_lying_about_Marty) wrote in
news:19b9f902.04042...@posting.google.com:

If this then was something like your Product Zero on the junkfreighter
OSA, it's about time to come out of non-ex. How about picking up DM's
junkbucket, eating it all in front of NBC and declairing, you're so
powerful, because you use Hubbard-Tech?

>It got me lots of
> attention which I need to make me feel worthwhile to post here.

See?

>
> It's great therapy. It's helped me to lay back on all the anti-schizo
> meds that my psychiatrist said I have to take to keep me sane.

Well done. They're all SEG-, Barbara, what's that spelling again, well,
you know anyway, don't you.

>
> Barbara Schwarz
> Apartment 401
> 335 East Broadway
> Salt Lake City, UT 84111
>

One of these days, a beige 8 door Limo will gently come to a halt -
,,
one can see an indexfinger pointing..,
and you'll have to move..
,,
out of your chair, to the window,..,
closing it, because the Limo has no G-Kat..
Ha!!!!!
See what I mean? You have no clue, what comes next;-)
Ha again!!!!
Me either!
But the others know, that BS is painting a sign at the moment, because
the weather is nice, and she wants to make new pictures, to prove how
wonderful Hubbard tech works.

steff

Barbara Schwarz

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Apr 20, 2004, 1:37:24 PM4/20/04

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steff0remov...@s.netic.de wrote in message news:<Xns94D11A441A5E8oh...@216.65.98.77>...

Yeah, right, Stefan Gandow. Did I ever tell you that it felt really
good resigning from the Lutheran Church? Kidnapping American Jew and
Scientologist and trying to make a Lutheran did not work in my case,
Stefan. :) I bet your brother Thomas, the "pastor" is the same kind of
suppressive nerd and religious persecutor as you are. Fine, fine
family. You will all rott in hell for your evil deeds.

Does your brother run a similar "church" like Terry Brewer, Garry
Scarff's joint? Your brother houses fugitive from justice, Garry
Armstrong, who knows who and what else is crawling around in that
"church" of his.

Anyway, Stefan, it is odd that Dave Touretzky himself is active with
illegal means to remove my "severe delusions", his sexual harassment,
his porn mail to me, from the web. Whenever I have that webbed, he and
his lawless friends come and tear it down. What an example of free
speech. By claiming that I libel Touretzky by posting the truth about
the porn and bomb instruction guy, you are libeling me, Herr Lutheran
and worker for the devil/psychiatry.

Tell me that, Stefan, rotten Lutheran monster, how does the porn and
the bomb instructions get on the website of your holy Touretzky? Who
else than he put it there? One of my delusions again, you psychiatric
troll bastard?

By the way, Stefan, you, Tilman Hausherr, and also some other German
suppressive geeks and psychiatry trolls hate the USA, but oddly not
Touretzky. So, home come you guys promote that guy? Because he is in
his heart and activities a German?

You sometimes post so intoxicated, Stefan, that I think you gulp down
all the Lutheran "holy" glycol wine that your bro has under his altar.

Barbara Schwarz

----------------------
This is the website that Touretzky and his friend hi-jack on a regular
basis from the net:

WARNING
To parents of students at Carnegie Mellon University
If you are the parent of a student who attends Carnegie Mellon
University, this notice is posted to help you.

David Touretzky is a research scientist at Carnegie Mellon University.
He teaches some of your children. He claims to be an "educator." For
this reason you should be made aware of the kind of person he is.

David Touretzky owns a website (hosted by the university) that
publishes instructions on how to build bombs. One of these bomb
instructions encourages people to throw these bombs into police cars.
This website is a mirror of an illegal site that was removed by the
FBI after its original creator was arrested. David Touretzky says he
created the mirror as a matter of "free speech." He claims no
responsibility for what his students or other children surfing the net
might do with these instructions. Neither does Carnegie Mellon
University. They allow Touretzky to use the University's computer
server to post this website, on your tax dollar or your tuition fees.
They also appear to have no care for its dangerous content and the
students who might feel encouraged to use them out of false admiration
for their "teacher."

This is not an innocent lack of judgment by Touretzky for, as they
say, where there is smoke there is fire, and Touretzky is involved in
other dangerous and perverted activities. In private and during his
work time he associates with extremists on the internet who attack and
harass religions and ethnic groups. Some of these extremists post
death threats against the people they harass. Touretzky regularly
associates with these people and he supports and encourages their
activities.

Touretzky has perversions that the parents of the students he teaches
should be informed about. He is a customer of sex shops and purchases
sexual implements. The invoice posted on this website as evidence of
this activity shows that Touretzky uses his University office phone
number for this sex shop to contact him. You can compare the phone
number listed in the invoice - 412 268-7561- with the phone number
listed in the university directory which goes to David Touretzky,
www.ri.cmu.edu/people/touretzky_david.htm. You can also find this
connection by searching in Google for "412 268-7561" and "Touretzky".

I had challenged some members of an extremist group on the internet of
which Touretzky is a part but had not really paid much attention to
him. Then I received the evidence presented here, likely by Touretzky
himself as some strange form of harassment. Touretzky supports people
who sexually harass women as can be seen on his website. He also has
pornographic photographs on his website - right there for children to
see - in which he disgraces property belonging to a religion. At that
point I began to research what kind of man Touretzky is and openly
challenged him about his dangerous activities on the internet.

Why would Touretzky encourage extremists and provide instructions on
how to build explosives if he does not have some secret perverted wish
to see others blown to pieces? Why would a teacher of impressionable
students be involved in this? Most important, why does the University
knowingly allow this man to use their server to post information that
is against the law and encourages terrorism? Perhaps for the same
reason they allow Touretzky to use his office phone to order sex toys.
They obviously do not care about their students or the kind of people
who are teaching them or about what their students are being taught.

As an example here are some of the extremists Touretzky calls his
friends:

Robert Clark was arrested in 1990 for hacking into Los Alamos National
Laboratory and has posted bomb threats on the internet.

Zenon Panoussis is hosting websites containing bomb-making
instructions and was a member of the Anti-Olympic Committee which
supported bombings to sabotage the 2004 Olympics. He was arrested in
1999 for verbally assaulting a police officer.

David Rice suggested in a posting to kill members of the FBI.

Frederic Rice has threatened governmental officials over the Internet.
He also hosts a site where he gives tips on how to kill bikers.

Andreas Heldal-Lund hosts a website with a message board that contains
death threats.

Arnie Lerma is a supporter of the Neo Nazis movement founded by Willis
Carto and is on the Board of Policy of Liberty Lobby, an anti-semitic
organization founded by Carto. He is also associated with the Utopian
Anarchist Party, that promotes the overthrowing of the U.S.
government, the killing of police officers and their website teaches
how to build bombs. Lerma is close to William White, spokesperson of
UAP who was arrested and convicted of battery and carrying a concealed
weapons.

These are the people that Touretzky associates with, people who
encourage terrorism. Touretzky's website also encourages terrorism no
matter his claims of innocence and "free speech". He knows that there
are people out there that want to know how to make explosives and who
will use them against innocent victims. Even if he claims no
responsibility, he is totally responsible for whatever he puts in
people's heads and the terrible results. Same for the Carnegie Mellon
University that sponsors this man and who lets him use facilities that
are sponsored by tax payers money.

Carnegie Mellon University is playing a dangerous game allowing David
Touretzky to continue to work at their university. How can a man with
such a warped mind be allowed to shape the minds of young students?

What if one of these kids uses the bomb instructions that Touretzky
put on the web to harm others?

Do you parents want to wait to find out how tragic the result will be
and if your child will be involved?

I encourage you to start asking questions now. Call the University and
speak to the Dean of Carnegie Mellon or the President (Dr. Jared L
Cohon) or contact the Board of Trustees. Let them know how you feel
about this so-called "educator" being allowed to teach your children.

Do not wait for another tragedy.

Act now!

Barbara Schwarz

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> I am with you all the way Barbara

Glad to hear that, Jack.

Barbara Schwarz

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You know exactly that it is Garry Scarff who steals my identity,
forges postings in my name, and posts my address over and over again
to violate my privacy, endanger my security, but you deliberately do
as he would be me. In other words, Stefan Lutheran garbage-man, you
are not better than Scarff and what you are guilty of is conspiracy
with Scarff.

You seem really cozy with Scarff. Do you also approve of his "pastor"
Terry Brewer who knows about Scarff's criminal activities but does not
want to talk him into becomming something better? Is that the same
kind of spiritual ethics that your bother applies in his "church".

Barbara Schwarz

P.S. Postings with e-mail address Barbara...@emailaccount.com and
identities "Barbara_Schwarz", "the real Barbara Schwarz de Rothschild"
and "Truth Speaker 2" are not done by me. I also don't post with ID
Still_lying_about_Marty.Those postings are forgeries of criminal, Aids
infected, gay lunatic Garry Lynn Scarff who is a fanatical Dave
Touretzky defender. Scarff is nobody on his own. I believe there is

something like the gay Mafia, and Scarff belongs it it. He would sell

grandmother to be me. Scarff persecutes me from thread to thread often
using my name as identity for those crimes (!) and verbally assaults
me, threatens me, harasses me, sexually harasses me, tries to
intimidate me, libels, insults and lies about me. He also posts with
Dicktop Stud and Papa Boner. He furthermore lied that he spoke to a
roomate of mine in the Utah mental health hospital. I never was in
that hospital, but he probably escaped from one. It is also striking
that especially the worst and most lawless guys, as Scarff, promote
junk science psychiatry.

Scarff also posts against my wishes over and over my home address on
the web as he wants to violate my privacy and wants me to become a
victim of crime.

Scarff is active member of the gay WeHo "church", that according to

Scarff applaudes Scarff's lawless behavior against me. An ex-WeHo

Dicktop_Stud

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Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.04042...@posting.google.com>...

Poor baby. Must be really hard for you to be despised by your own
family, hae no friends or anyone's shoulder to cry on......

You could always kill yourself....

steff0remov...@s.netic.de

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Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in

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O-o-opsh, Barbara,- tha - that wasn't you?
I'm so sorry, Barbara, no, you are right. Now, I am not a Lutheran, who
would be garbage, did I get that right?, oops again, I am 1.1, right, no,
you did not say every Lutheran is a garbage-man, but rather, that I am a
garbage-man and Lutheran, now I got it, right?
Did you take the garbage now, btw?
Possibly not too bad at DM's, no used condomes for example, cause' he has
no dick. Didn't know that? Adolf Hitler had one ball, DM has no dick, the
stigma of Fate (god's scrap paper).
DM masturbates around his neck, that looks real funny, and ejaculates out
of his mouth!
One day, he'll have his last one.
Hei, Babsie, now, you're de woman, that's your task, isn't it? You were
never clear on that subject, who're the star infiltrators?
Is top management good at the moment, are they complying?

>
> You seem really cozy with Scarff. Do you also approve of his "pastor"
> Terry Brewer who knows about Scarff's criminal activities

Barbara, dearest, I prefer an honest criminal any day against a robotic
slimeball of bigotry, who never switched on his own brain. That's the
current definition of Scieno-cultie.
Hubbard himself did say interesting things about criminals.
Was'nt there one in POW, and then.. co-action, ethics, criminals.., I
also think there was something in the SHSBC, no?
You know, someone who needs books to know what's right or wrong is a
danger to society, and should be incarcerated. Sigh. That's, what they
are;-)
If an OSA garbage-man orders a WOG destroyed, he has no idea of right or
wrong. Moreover, Hubbard cancels all ethics rules concerning right or
wrong at the upper echelons.
Didn't you know that?

>but does not
> want to talk him into becomming something better?

Barbara, many love you here for your naivity paired with enthusiasm
paired with endurance paired with intelligence. You seem to be soo honest
at times, but of course you are lieing all the time! It starts with the
lie, that you would be someone without Hubbard.
Now, if I would ever have to rely on you, would I rely on you or Hubbard?

>Is that the same
> kind of spiritual ethics that your bother applies in his "church".

Babsie I now anyway, that this is a posting that Garry did in your name,
I believe the other one was true. You would never be so mean and tell
third parties here, that I am a brother of Thomas Gandow. Other, than to
make it very clear, if brother, then only in spirit, maybe.

steff

>
>
>
> Barbara Schwarz

snip

--
"Imagine a church If there ever was an apple, Hubbard was the worm.
so dangerous, you Es ist leichter, hinter einer Sache zu stehen,
must sign a release als vor ihr.
form before you can Only plain text emails are accepted.
receive its "spiritual
assistance.
This assistance might
involve holding you against
your will for an indefinite
period, isolating you from
friends and family, and denying
you access to appropriate medical
care. You will of course be billed
for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not, the release form
absolves your caretakers of all responsibility for your suffering and
death.

Welcome to the Church of Scientology."

Dr. Dave Touretzky
Peter Alexander

Some sites to visit:

http://www.lermanet.com
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.com
http://home.snafu.de/tilman
http://www.holysmoke.org
http://www.apologeticsindex.org
http://www.cultnews.com
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/
http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sp/FLA.html
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.torymagoo.org
http://www.altreligionscientology.org/
http://www.lisamcpherson.com/
http://www.operatingthetan.com/
http://www.skeptictank.org/
http://www.ronthenut.org/
http://www.tr-l.org/
http://www.fairgamed.org/
http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~atman/factnet/
http://www.scientologywatch.org
http://www.xenu-city.net/
http://www.alter-is.com
http://www.suburbia.com.au/~fun/scn
http://www.slatkinfraud.com/
http://sf.irk.ru/www/
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2144.html
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2145.html
http://LisaClause.org
http://www.antisectes.net

steff0remov...@s.netic.de

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Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in

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Haha, Barbara, you are a Rondroid, do you think, that is something even to
compare in quality? You already threw your live away, just noone could
reach you since to tell you!

>I bet your brother Thomas, the "pastor" is the same kind of
> suppressive nerd and religious persecutor as you are. Fine, fine
> family. You will all rott in hell for your evil deeds.

Ha!!
You read my posting for Mr. TruthSeeker, the Non-Person!
That's good! Do you like TruthSeeker? So from Zombie to Zombie? Breakfast
at the graveyard?

>
> Does your brother run a similar "church" like Terry Brewer, Garry
> Scarff's joint? Your brother houses fugitive from justice, Garry
> Armstrong, who knows who and what else is crawling around in that
> "church" of his.

Maybe your sister?

>
> Anyway, Stefan, it is odd that Dave Touretzky himself is active with
> illegal means to remove my "severe delusions", his sexual harassment,
> his porn mail to me, from the web. Whenever I have that webbed, he and
> his lawless friends come and tear it down. What an example of free
> speech.

If I would call you a Scieno-whore or an OSA-pig, and you'd stop to have
that webbed, would this be taking down free speech?

>By claiming that I libel Touretzky by posting the truth about
> the porn and bomb instruction guy, you are libeling me, Herr Lutheran
> and worker for the devil/psychiatry.

No. Because you do since half a year deliberately distort and put out of
context some miniscule expressions of a person, in order to black PR the
person. Because you cannot grasp a person's intend, does not give you the
right to libel the person.

>
> Tell me that, Stefan, rotten Lutheran monster,

Now that sounds cosy;-) I am not wrotten, Babsie, Kruppstahl, you know;-)
Say it loud! S!..S!!.., - E!..E!!.., -G!..,..G!!..,- Err, Babsie, help me,
how does it go further? Or we could ask Bush, he knows how to spell
Kruppstahl. His family dealt with it, preparing WW2.

>how does the porn and
> the bomb instructions get on the website of your holy Touretzky? Who
> else than he put it there? One of my delusions again, you psychiatric
> troll bastard?

No, Babsie, but you cannot keep cause and effect apart.
It's not bomb instructions, that make a violent society, but the people
using it..
I told you before, but you did not read it, or did not understand it.
It is tabus, that signify an imbalanced and insane society.
Did you know, that Canada carries much more weapons per head than America,
but a minimal fracture of the number of homicides done with those?

>
> By the way, Stefan, you, Tilman Hausherr, and also some other German
> suppressive geeks and psychiatry trolls hate the USA, but oddly not
> Touretzky. So, home come you guys promote that guy? Because he is in
> his heart and activities a German?

Now that you know it almost all, yes, sigh, I have to admit it, he's the
head of, - Say it loud!!!..,..- S!!....

>
> You sometimes post so intoxicated, Stefan, that I think you gulp down
> all the Lutheran "holy" glycol wine that your bro has under his altar.

It's a funny Puppenstubenwelt you're painting, Barbara.
I hope, not too many of young and naive Scientology victims are demolating
their livers by intoxication with overdoses of certain vitamines at the
moment while on their purification into a live of enslavery for Mr.
Hubbard.

steff

snip

> Barbara Schwarz
>

--
"Imagine a church If there ever was an apple, Hubbard was the worm.
so dangerous, you Es ist leichter, hinter einer Sache zu stehen,
must sign a release als vor ihr.
form before you can Only plain text emails are accepted.
receive its "spiritual
assistance.
This assistance might
involve holding you against
your will for an indefinite
period, isolating you from
friends and family, and denying
you access to appropriate medical
care. You will of course be billed
for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not, the release form
absolves your caretakers of all responsibility for your suffering and
death.

Welcome to the Church of Scientology."

Dr. Dave Touretzky
Peter Alexander

Some sites to visit:

steff0remov...@s.netic.de

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Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in

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> "SpywareJack" <Got...@lurk.net> wrote in message
> news:<rhahc.519$54...@dentist.cableinet.net>...
>> I am with you all the way Barbara
>
> Glad to hear that, Jack.
>

Is he OSA, or something? Voice from the off, to go ahead with libeling
and slandering, disguised as free speech?
Or is he putting you on?
Ah, now I know! It's Marthy the clergies rat, but he's married, and you
know...

steff

segsnip

>> >
>> > Barbara Schwarz
>

--
"Imagine a church If there ever was an apple, Hubbard was the worm.
so dangerous, you Es ist leichter, hinter einer Sache zu stehen,
must sign a release als vor ihr.
form before you can Only plain text emails are accepted.
receive its "spiritual
assistance.
This assistance might
involve holding you against
your will for an indefinite
period, isolating you from
friends and family, and denying
you access to appropriate medical
care. You will of course be billed
for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not, the release form
absolves your caretakers of all responsibility for your suffering and
death.

Welcome to the Church of Scientology."

Dr. Dave Touretzky
Peter Alexander

Some sites to visit:

Barbara Schwarz

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steff0remov...@s.netic.de wrote in message news:<Xns94D2C040713Coh...@216.65.98.77>...

Ron certainly did not. Secret SEGNPMSS activities are not Ron's
activities. Ethics is of upmost importance for Scientologists. And do
you know what? Being ethical feels good, makes happy and gives
self-respect. (Not that you know anything about it.) Did you ever read
the policy "Clean hands make a happy life?"

>
> >but does not
> > want to talk him into becomming something better?
>
> Barbara, many love you here for your naivity paired with enthusiasm
> paired with endurance paired with intelligence. You seem to be soo honest
> at times, but of course you are lieing all the time!

I am not lying. I hate lies. They have short legs and don't feel good.
You are too drunk to get it that I speak the truth and to see who I am
really are.

> It starts with the
> lie, that you would be someone without Hubbard.

Lol. I never said this. I don't even understand what that means.

> Now, if I would ever have to rely on you, would I rely on you or Hubbard?

I rely on myself, but Ron helped me tremendously with his research.

>
> >Is that the same
> > kind of spiritual ethics that your bother applies in his "church".
>
> Babsie I now anyway, that this is a posting that Garry did in your name,
> I believe the other one was true. You would never be so mean and tell
> third parties here, that I am a brother of Thomas Gandow. Other, than to
> make it very clear, if brother, then only in spirit, maybe.

Go to hell Stefan, and take your bro with you.

Barbara Schwarz
>

steff0remov...@s.netic.de

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같같

Moreover, Hubbard cancels all ethics rules concerning right
>> or wrong at the upper echelons.
>> Didn't you know that?
>
> Ron certainly did not.

Oh yes he did. And I'll most probably give you reference on that, after
I'd been in the mood to look. Also, I think, I've seen something in the
sunshine rundown. Which was a compilation mostly of known stuff anyway,
so ..

>Secret SEGNPMSS activities are not Ron's
> activities.

Nope. What can be seen is called shore stories and PR campains.
And he was indeed too clever to lead an important one, err, GO game of
the year by himself, he preferred to let his wife go to jail for that.

>Ethics is of upmost importance for Scientologists.

Yes, Babsie, in the lower echelons. Believe me.
In the upper ones, you decide which lifeform you socialize with. And if
it's not the one that writes KR's, and your'e in power..;-)

>And do
> you know what? Being ethical feels good, makes happy and gives
> self-respect.

Yes. Thanks god, I knew that before I joined Scientology.;-)

>(Not that you know anything about it.) Did you ever read
> the policy "Clean hands make a happy life?"

Babsie, dearest, I once even was patron of a way to happiness campaign;-)
Your ex-husband should know;-)

Oh, and I once knew a gentle woman in the SO, that thaught me that
saying. She was really specially into that saying. She had been had a
nice swift swosh right over from the christian delegation into the soft
skills of Scientology. I thaught her then as well, when I literally
scrubbed the floor with a teethbrush around our area for four hours. I
had clean hands then too. It did move her, too much for OT3 actually;-),
and we never needed to talk about my beliefs again;-)
She is now a happy grandma at oursites.org, who is a normal working
housewife, and, wait, just been there, she is lieing!
She says, she's been in Scientology for 30 years, but it's more than
forty! Yeah, one is lieing not updating one's site, maintenance, yeah.
She's lieing. She's at this very moment giving false data, no doubt. I
don't think, she is aware of it. Or is she? Does she care? Does she
think, it is not possible, to update this apparatus?
And most all of them she was in the SO! She was fighting for parent's
hours, had been cheated and left by her husband, and took it like a lamb.
I remember well her expression.
Brave, brave. I wish her all the best. Oh, and I bet, she is *not a
normal working housewife, but still SO. Bet?
So, what's normal about a wife being in a house that's SO? Only she
knows. Mysteries of communication and imagination.

>
>>
>> >but does not
>> > want to talk him into becomming something better?
>>
>> Barbara, many love you here for your naivity paired with enthusiasm
>> paired with endurance paired with intelligence. You seem to be soo
>> honest at times, but of course you are lieing all the time!
>
> I am not lying. I hate lies. They have short legs and don't feel good.

They should see a doctor then. Hubbard?

> You are too drunk to get it that I speak the truth and to see who I am
> really are.

Still no see, just a glimpse;-) Err, your german shimmers through;-)

>
>> It starts with the
>> lie, that you would be someone without Hubbard.
>
> Lol. I never said this. I don't even understand what that means.

No lol here, if you really don't understand that, Babsie. But no grief
either. I have my emotions like others have dinner or breakfast;-)

>
>> Now, if I would ever have to rely on you, would I rely on you or
>> Hubbard?
>
> I rely on myself, but Ron helped me tremendously with his research.

Hm, hm, hm...Err, to find yourself? (Nice phrasing, Babsie, help me, say
yes!)

>>
>> >Is that the same
>> > kind of spiritual ethics that your bother applies in his "church".
>>
>> Babsie I now anyway, that this is a posting that Garry did in your
>> name, I believe the other one was true. You would never be so mean
>> and tell third parties here, that I am a brother of Thomas Gandow.
>> Other, than to make it very clear, if brother, then only in spirit,
>> maybe.
>
> Go to hell Stefan, and take your bro with you.

Ok, and you can stay and your bra too;-)

But,- ah, wait. First let's go to 같같 in this posting! I ask you for
your opinion on that. Care to comment?

steff

>
> Barbara Schwarz

Rodi

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Apr 21, 2004, 9:29:49 PM4/21/04

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Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.0404...@posting.google.com>...

> he says, "it's Zawahiri. He believes that violence is purifying?and he

> believes he should determine who the enemies are. He kills innocent
> people." In
> 1996, he was considered the most credible threat and a highly lethal
> terrorist
> who could strike against the U.S. A warning issued at the time
> specified
> suicide bombing as the likely form of attack. According to Islamic
> lawyer,
> Muntasir Zayat, Dr. al-Zawahiri is to Bin Laden "what the brain is to
> the
> body." Dr. al-Zawahiri "was able to reshape Bin Laden's thinking and
> mentality
> and turn him from merely a supporter of the Afghan Jihad to a believer
> in and
> exporter of the Jihad's ideology," the lawyer said. On September 25,
> 2001,
> Interpol issued an arrest warrant for Dr. al-Zawahiri in response to
> the
> terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.
> >

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Quotes about Scientology
What Judges Say About Scientology
Quotes from judges and others about Scientology

Justice Anderson, Supreme Court of Victoria, Australia:
"Scientology is evil; its techniques are evil; its practice is a
serious threat to the community, medically, morally, and socially; and
its adherents are sadly deluded and often mentally ill... (Scientology
is) the world's largest organization of unqualified persons engaged in
the practice of dangerous techniques which masquerade as mental
therapy".

Kenneth Robinson, British Minister of Health:
"The government is satisfied that Scientology is socially harmful. It
alienates members of families from each other and attributes squalid
and disgraceful motives to all who oppose it; its authoritarian
principles and practice are a potential menace to the personality and
well being of those so deluded as to become followers; above all, its
methods can be a serious danger to the health of those who submit to
them... There is no power under existing law to prohibit the practice
of Scientology; but the government has concluded that it is so
objectionable that it would be right to take all steps within its
power to curb its growth".

Justice Latey, ruling in the High Court of London:
"Scientology is both immoral and socially obnoxious...It is corrupt
sinister and dangerous. It is corrupt because it is based on lies and
deceit and has its real objective money and power for Mr. Hubbard...
It is sinister because it indulges in infamous practices both to its
adherents who do not toe the line unquestionably and to those who
criticize it or oppose it.
It is dangerous because it is out to capture people and to
indoctrinate and brainwash them so they become the unquestioning
captives and tools of the cult, withdrawn from ordinary thought,
living, and relationships with others".

Judge Breckenridge, Los Angeles Superior Court:
"[The court record is] replete with evidence [that Scientology] is
nothing in reality but a vast enterprise to extract the maximum amount
of money from its adepts by pseudo scientific theories...
and to exercise a kind of blackmail against persons who do not wish to
continue with their sect....
The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this
bizarre combination seems to be a reflection of its founder, L.Ron
Hubbard".

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Paul Breckenridge, June 1984, in the
Gerry Armstrong case:
"In addition to violating and abusing its own members' civil rights,
the organization over the years with its 'fair game' doctrine has
harassed and abused those persons not in the church whom it perceives
as enemies".

California Supreme Court, United States v. Lee [455 U.S. 252,257,258
(1982)*/:
"When a person is subjected to coercive persuasion [as in Scientology]
without his knowledge or consent ...[he may] develop serious and
sometimes irreversible physical and psychiatric disorders, up to and
including schizophrenia, self-mutilation, and suicide".

Lord Denning:
"...capable of such danger that the public interest demands that
people should know what is going on".

Judge Constandia Angelaki:
"It is an organization with medical, social and ethical practices that
are dangerous and harmful,"
"It claims to act freely so as to draw members who subsequently
undergo ... brainwashing by dictated ways of thinking that limit
reaction capabilities".

Supreme Court of Victoria, Australia, Justice Brookings, 1982:
" ...the teaching of Scientology and the practice of Scientology will
result in the commission of many offenses and may well result in the
commission of many others".

Have a nice day...

Roberto Diaz • RODI
rod...@yahoo.com
http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/

Anonymouse Unbeknownst

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Will you please keep this Scientology shit out of al;t.flame.psychiatry?

You guys already have your own newsgroup. Please respect other peoples'
right to the same.

"Rodi" <rod...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1ed87747.04042...@posting.google.com...

Barbara Schwarz

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rod...@yahoo.com (Rodi) wrote in message news:<1ed87747.04042...@posting.google.com>...

What is the matter with you, Rodi? Why do you cite judges whose IQ
drops to room temperature when they put their robes on? (I really like
that commentary of Ken Schram, as there is a lot of truth in that
observation.)

What have the statments of biased judges to do with this thread,
except that judges are mindcontrolled like the the rest of the
population?

Read here what judges are up to. Go to the Yahoo groups, AMOJ, click
on the postings of Themis. He provides the link where you can read the
stories in full:

Ken Schram Commentary:

A Sad Day For 'Justice'

SEATTLE -

It's why people are so cynical.

It's why many of us are left feeling that justice is too easily
manipulated by weasels masquerading as lawyers, and undermined by
judges whose IQ's drop to room temperature once they put their robes
on.

Edward Stokes.

He claims to have molested over 200 children.

He's been convicted of sex crimes in three states; was serving a life
sentence in California.

Now he's free.

He's free because his last victim committed suicide.

His lawyer argued that suicide kept Stokes from being able to confront
his accuser in court.

The appeals courts judge nodded like the bobble-headed jurist he is,
and cut him loose.

Edward Stokes, who once stated that he seeks out the weak and
unsuspecting as his victims, is now thought to be living in Tukwila.

Free to prey. Free to stalk. Free to molest and rape again.

A boy's death is used to set the rapist free, and traps the rest of us
in a world with him walking in it.

This nation has more laws then it knows what to do with, but justice
remains only an occasional byproduct.

It leaves us feeling helpless and afraid.

And that's what makes us cynical.

http://www.komotv.com/stories/30810.htm

COLORADO

GOP criticizes group's push to impeach judge . . . House Republican
leaders say key lawmakers are being strong-armed by a prominent
conservative group to agree to advance the impeachment of a judge
before they've heard the case against him. . . . Republicans said
Focus on the Family, a Christian ministry based in Colorado Springs,
has been calling members of the House Judiciary Committee to ask if
they will vote to move the resolution to impeach Denver District Judge
John Coughlin to the House floor. If they don't commit, Focus has told
legislators they will publicly ask members to inundate them with phone
calls, Republicans said. . . . House Speaker Lola Spradley said she
and other leaders have asked members not to discuss the proceedings
before hearing testimony. The impeachment is scheduled to be heard
Thursday. FULL STORY

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GEORGIA
High Court Removes Cherokee Judge . . . Move Stems From Justice's
Failure to Disclose . . . A Cherokee County judge has been removed
from the bench for offenses he committed while serving in the military
and which he failed to disclose when he became a candidate for the
office. . . . The unanimous decision announced Monday by the Georgia
Supreme Court against Charles T. Robertson II, chief judge of Cherokee
County's magistrate court, tracks the recommendation of the Judicial
Qualifications Commission. . . . Robertson, who earned a law degree in
1993, was elected to his position in 2000. As a candidate for the job,
he was required to sign an affidavit swearing he had never been
convicted of a felony. . . . But in 1979 following a general court
martial, Robertson -- then serving in the U.S. Army under the name
Charles Sexton -- was convicted of larceny for wrongfully selling an
infrared guided missile tracker and a guided missile remote control
test. He was fined and given a reduction in rank. FULL STORY

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ILLINOIS

Criticism of court leads to ban on Atlanta law firm . . A Madison
County judge apparently was deeply offended by comments from former
U.S. Attorney General Griffin Bell. . . . Madison County Circuit Judge
Nicholas G. Byron on Friday barred anyone representing the law firm of
former U.S. Attorney General Griffin Bell from his courtroom in
Edwardsville, according to attorneys there Friday. . . . On Wednesday,
at a forum at the Washington University School of Law, Bell called for
a U.S. Department of Justice investigation of the Madison County
circuit court. Bell in particular directed criticism at the way
lawsuits alleging harm from asbestos are handled, claiming that
defendants' constitutional rights are being violated. . . . FULL STORY

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MASSACHUSETTS
Lawmaker to seek to have pro-gay marriage judges removed . . . A group
that opposes gay marriage has enlisted the help of a state legislator
in a long-shot attempt to remove the four justices of the state's high
court who ruled that banning gay marriage is unconstitutional, unless
they reverse their decision. . . Rep. Emile J. Goguen, D-Fitchburg,
told The Boston Globe that he planned to file the legislation on
Tuesday, even though he is the measure's only sponsor. He sees the
"bill of address" as a way to pressure members of the Supreme Judicial
Court to reconsider their 4-3 decision, or risk removal from the
bench. FULL STORY

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MONTANA
Candidate: Judge should be ousted from office . . . The district judge
who declared unconstitutional Montana's system of funding schools
should be removed from office through impeachment or recall, a
Republican candidate for governor said Tuesday. . . . Ken Miller, a
former state senator from Laurel, said Judge Jeffrey Sherlock of
Helena exceeded his authority in concluding the Legislature does not
provide enough state aid to schools. . . . "He's trying to legislate
from the bench," Miller said in an interview. "If he wants to
legislate, he should run for the Legislature." . . . Regardless of
whether he wins the governor's race, Miller said, he will pursue
efforts to remove Sherlock. . . . Sherlock voiced no concern for
Miller's threat and questioned the legal grounds on which the
candidate thinks a judge can be removed from the bench. FULL STORY

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NEW JERSEY
Governor taps Hispanic for highest court . . . Ex-U.S. attorney and
casino lawyer would fill gap when Verniero leaves . . . Moving to
place a Hispanic on the New Jersey Supreme Court for the first time,
Gov. James E. McGreevey announced yesterday he will nominate Roberto
A. Rivera-Soto, an experienced trial lawyer and partner in a prominent
Philadelphia firm, to join the court in September. . . . Rivera-Soto,
a former federal prosecutor who also spent 10 years representing an
Atlantic City casino, would succeed Justice Peter Verniero, who
announced last fall he will leave the bench at the end of August. FULL
STORY

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NEW JERSEY
Judges Who Won't Judge . . . It is fashionable with certain judges to
refuse to involve themselves in discovery disputes of any nature. In
courtrooms throughout the state, judges tell lawyers poised to argue
such motions that they refuse to "waste their time" with disagreements
that they think should be resolved between the adversaries themselves.
Judges often tell lawyers to go to another place in the courthouse to
thrash out their differences. The alternative, counsel are told, is to
wait until all other motions are heard as punishment for bothering the
court with what it feels is distasteful. Indeed, some judges boast
with pride about their so-called behavior modifying techniques to
discourage their involvement in discovery issues. . . . In the trudge
through litigation, few circumstances test the professional mettle of
lawyers more than the discovery process. It is during discovery that
lawyers make critical tactical decisions - how much information to ask
for and how little to give, how timely to be or how dilatory, how
clear or how obfuscatory. Essentially, lawyers have an ongoing
internal debate - to be a facilitator or obstructionist? . . . There
are competing pressures on lawyers driving this debate. For the
selfish lawyer, contention has its economic reward - billable time.
Cooperation and negotiation are less time consuming than motion
practice and are, therefore, less remunerative. Some lawyers conceive
their role as their client's "mouthpiece" - the client wants
"hardball" litigation and, providing there is a legal and ethical
basis to engage in such a stratagem and the client is willing to pay,
these lawyers follow their client's instructions. Some adversaries
have personality clashes that have nothing to do with the merits of
the case where a discovery battle is the symptom bearer. . . . The
perception by some judges that a discovery dispute is per se ill
conceived and likely to represent the obstinacy of lawyers is a
disservice to the profession and reflects poorly on the court. If,
indeed, the dispute is ill conceived, a judge's disdain, reflected in
inaction, rewards the unreasonable antagonist. The Court Rules provide
sufficient remedies for the court to sanction a lawyer who
overreaches. When a judge refuses to adjudicate a discovery motion
that at least one party believes is meritorious because of some
paternalistic notion that the lawyer participants are being children,
he or she simply becomes part of the purported playgroup.
http://www.law.com/jsp/nj/pubarticleNJ.jsp?id=1082131858480

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NY Judge Faces Grand Jury Probe . . . Brooklyn District Attorney
Charles J. Hynes has convened a grand jury to examine whether Justice
Michael J. Garson committed crimes while handling the financial
affairs of his 92-year-old aunt. . . A lawyer for Civil Court Judge
Robin Garson yesterday confirmed that she had received a subpoena to
testify before a grand jury today.

The lawyer, Michael S. Washor, said he has not been told the subject
and scope of the investigation. He said his sense is that the
questioning will explore Justice Michael Garson's handling of his aunt
Sarah Gershenoff's finances. . . . FULL STORY

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VIRGINIA
Judge in tight spot showed independence . . . Judges in Virginia are
elected by the members of the General Assembly and as a matter of
custom must enjoy the support of their local lawmakers to remain on
the bench. . . . Occasionally, situations arise in which a judge's job
security competes with the need for judicial independence. . . . A
circuit court judge in western Tidewater was forced to walk this fine
line recently and navigated it with with admirable grace and
integrity. . . . On March 14, Del. J. Paul Councill Jr., D-Franklin,
phoned Judge Rodham T. Delk Jr. to vouch for the honesty of the
manager of a farmer's market in Courtland, who was seeking to have a
$70,000 jury judgment against him dismissed. The judgment was for
failure to pay a farmer for vegetables delivered. . . . The market
manager, Bobby L. Flippen, was a longtime friend of Councill. Judicial
ethics prohibit a judge from communicating with a legislator
concerning a pending case. FULL STORY

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Judges on Little-Known Court Paid for Life

By LARRY MARGASAK, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Judges on a little-known federal court that decides
claims against the government are appointed for 15 years, but collect
their full six-figure salaries for a lifetime for a workload that
averaged fewer than two trials each in one recent year.

U.S. Court of Federal Claims jurists turn their fixed terms into
lifetime jobs by remaining as senior judges. Currently, the federal
claims court has 16 active judges and 13 in senior status.

A few of the senior judges handle a full workload. Some handle at
least 25 percent of their former caseload. Others have an empty
docket. All are paid $158,100 a year, the same as full-time federal
judges.

The congressionally approved arrangement for the claims judges —
described as a "charmed existence" by one legal expert — is gaining
scrutiny. Two Democratic senators have prepared a bill to abolish the
court, with its budget of $14.4 million. FULL STORY

Dave Bird

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In article<ZZFhc.31441$kc2.4...@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Anonymouse

Unbeknownst <anony...@unbeknownst.com> writes:
>Will you please keep this Scientology shit out of al;t.flame.psychiatry?

I'm afraid Barbara Shwartz is a lunatic who leaks out all over
the place. She will not be told anything. We've tried advising
her to chop her head off, take her chlorpromazine, etc,
but none of it works.

--
FUCK THE SKULL OF HUBBARD, AND BUGGER THE DWARF HE RODE IN ON!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
8====3 (O 0) GROETEN --- PRINTZ XEMU EXTRAWL no real OT has
|n| (COMMANDER, FIFTH INVADER FORCE) ever existed
.................................................................
A society without a religion is like a maniac without a chainsaw.

Still_lying_about_Marty

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"Anonymouse Unbeknownst" <anony...@unbeknownst.com> wrote in message news:<ZZFhc.31441$kc2.4...@nnrp1.uunet.ca>...

> Will you please keep this Scientology shit out of al;t.flame.psychiatry?
>
> You guys already have your own newsgroup. Please respect other peoples'
> right to the same.

Fuck you. I am very psychotic and I own the newsgroup, so duck off.

Rodi

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Apr 28, 2004, 9:40:34 PM4/28/04

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rod...@yahoo.com (Rodi) wrote in message news:<1ed87747.04042...@posting.google.com>...

Roberto Diaz • RODI
rod...@yahoo.com
http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/

Scientology a way of death • Cienciología un camino de muerte
.
"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man,
but the end thereof are the ways of death". Proverbs 16:25.
.
"Hay camino que parece derecho al hombre,
Pero su fín es camino de muerte". Proverbios 16:25.
.
THE FILES OF RODI • ENGLISH
http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/#ENGLISH
All the truth about Dianetics and Scientology
Help and information for victims and investigators
.
"Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness,
but rather expose them". Ephesians 5:11 • NIV
.
LOS ARCHIVOS DE RODI • ESPAÑOL
http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/#ENGLISH
Toda la verdad sobre Dianética y Cienciología
Ayuda e información para víctimas e investigadores
.
"No tengan nada que ver con las obras infructuosas de la oscuridad,
sino más bién denúncienlas". Efesios 5:11 • NVI

Have a nice day
Rodi

Rodi

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Apr 28, 2004, 9:50:12 PM4/28/04

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> rod...@yahoo.com (Rodi) wrote in message news:<1ed87747.04042...@posting.google.com>...

Roberto Diaz • RODI
rod...@yahoo.com
http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/

Scientology a way of death • Cienciología un camino de muerte

.
"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man,
but the end thereof are the ways of death". Proverbs 16:25.
.
"Hay camino que parece derecho al hombre,
Pero su fín es camino de muerte". Proverbios 16:25.
.
THE FILES OF RODI • ENGLISH
http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/#ENGLISH
All the truth about Dianetics and Scientology
Help and information for victims and investigators
.
"Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness,
but rather expose them". Ephesians 5:11 • NIV
.
LOS ARCHIVOS DE RODI • ESPAÑOL
http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/#ENGLISH
Toda la verdad sobre Dianética y Cienciología
Ayuda e información para víctimas e investigadores
.
"No tengan nada que ver con las obras infructuosas de la oscuridad,
sino más bién denúncienlas". Efesios 5:11 • NVI

have a nice day
Rodi

Anonymouse Unbeknownst

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Apr 28, 2004, 10:08:02 PM4/28/04

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Take the Scientology shit somewhere else, please.

"Rodi" <rod...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1ed87747.04042...@posting.google.com...

Barbara Schwarz

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Apr 29, 2004, 4:42:25 PM4/29/04

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Barbara...@myway.com (Still_lying_about_Marty) wrote in message news:<19b9f902.04042...@posting.google.com>...

What kind of "pastor" is Terry Brewer? What kind of church is that in
which members make sexual innuendo during sermon? What kind of church
has drag queens and is accused of serial rape? What kind of pastor
does not want to correct Garry Scarff, a forger, stealer of
identities, privacy violator, cyber stalker, sexual and other
harasser?

What does WEHO "church" mean anyway? Does that mean we are
prostitutes?

Garry Scarff is active member of the gay WeHo "church", that according

Dave Bird

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Apr 29, 2004, 6:05:15 PM4/29/04

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In article<bf456302.04042...@posting.google.com>, Barbara

Schwarz <Stilllov...@myway.com> writes:
>Barbara...@myway.com (Still_lying_about_Marty) wrote in message news:<19b9f

>902.0404222...@posting.google.com>...

>> "Anonymouse Unbeknownst" <anony...@unbeknownst.com> wrote in message
>news:<ZZFhc.31441$kc2.4...@nnrp1.uunet.ca>...
>> > Will you please keep this Scientology shit out of al;t.flame.psychiatry?
>> >
>> > You guys already have your own newsgroup. Please respect other peoples'
>> > right to the same.
>>
>> Fuck you. I am very psychotic and I own the newsgroup, so duck off.
>

>What kind of "pasta" is Terry Brewer?

Rigatone.

Dicktop_Stud

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Apr 30, 2004, 11:08:55 AM4/30/04

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Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.04042...@posting.google.com>...

> Barbara...@myway.com (Still_lying_about_Marty) wrote in message news:<19b9f902.04042...@posting.google.com>...
> > "Anonymouse Unbeknownst" <anony...@unbeknownst.com> wrote in message news:<ZZFhc.31441$kc2.4...@nnrp1.uunet.ca>...
> > > Will you please keep this Scientology shit out of al;t.flame.psychiatry?
> > >
> > > You guys already have your own newsgroup. Please respect other peoples'
> > > right to the same.
> >
> > Fuck you. I am very psychotic and I own the newsgroup, so duck off.

>
> What kind of "pastor" is Terry Brewer? What kind of church is that in
> which members make sexual innuendo during sermon? What kind of church
> has drag queens and is accused of serial rape? What kind of pastor
> does not want to correct Garry Scarff, a forger, stealer of
> identities, privacy violator, cyber stalker, sexual and other
> harasser?

<yawn>

>
> What does WEHO "church" mean anyway? Does that mean we are
> prostitutes?

If the shoe fits, PsychoHo, wear it.

>
> Garry Scarff is active member of the gay WeHo "church", that according
> to Scarff applaudes Scarff's lawless behavior against me. An ex-WeHo
> member wrote me that this "church" sanctions and promotes dishonorable
> behavior and that he and his friends were raped and drugged by one of
> their active members, and that one of their active members murdered
> others under the guise of "drug overdose". The ex-WeHo wrote that the
> gay men make sexual innuendo during sermon and "church" leadership, as
> their "Pastor" Terry Brewer, don't see what's wrong with that.

And this comes from the psychotic ho whose claims of a submarine base
submerged under Salt Lake. LOL!!!

>
> Postings with e-mail address Barbara...@emailaccount.com and
> identities "Barbara_Schwarz", "the real Barbara Schwarz de Rothschild"
> and "Truth Speaker 2" are not done by me. I also don't post with ID
> Still_lying_about_Marty.Those postings are forgeries of criminal, Aids
> infected, gay lunatic Garry Lynn Scarff who is a fanatical Dave
> Touretzky defender. Scarff is nobody on his own. I believe there is
> something like the gay Mafia, and Scarff belongs it it. He would sell
> grandmother to be me. Scarff persecutes me from thread to thread often
> using my name as identity for those crimes (!) and verbally assaults
> me, threatens me, harasses me, sexually harasses me, tries to
> intimidate me, libels, insults and lies about me. He also posts with
> Dicktop Stud and Papa Boner. He furthermore lied that he spoke to a
> roomate of mine in the Utah mental health hospital. I never was in
> that hospital, but he probably escaped from one. It is also striking
> that especially the worst and most lawless guys, as Scarff, promote
> junk science psychiatry.
>
> Scarff also posts against my wishes over and over my home address on
> the web as he wants to violate my privacy and wants me to become a
> victim of crime.

Forget to take your pills again, PsychoHo?

Rodi

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May 5, 2004, 4:31:18 PM5/5/04

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Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.04042...@posting.google.com>...

> rod...@yahoo.com (Rodi) wrote in message news:<1ed87747.04042...@posting.google.com>...

Roberto Diaz - RODI
rod...@yahoo.com
http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/

Scientology a way of death - Cienciología un camino de muerte

.
"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man,
but the end thereof are the ways of death". Proverbs 16:25.
.
"Hay camino que parece derecho al hombre,
Pero su fín es camino de muerte". Proverbios 16:25.
.

THE FILES OF RODI - ENGLISH
http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/

All the truth about Dianetics and Scientology
Help and information for victims and investigators
.
"Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness,
but rather expose them". Ephesians 5:11 • NIV
.

LOS ARCHIVOS DE RODI - ESPAÑOL
http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/

Toda la verdad sobre Dianética y Cienciología
Ayuda e información para víctimas e investigadores
.
"No tengan nada que ver con las obras infructuosas de la oscuridad,

sino más bién denúncienlas". Efesios 5:11 - NVI

Have a nice day :-)

Saludos,
Roberto Diaz - RODI
rod...@yahoo.com
http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/

********************************************************************

Anonymouse Unbeknownst

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May 5, 2004, 6:02:27 PM5/5/04

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Please take the Scientology shit out of alt.flame.psychiatry.

Ralph Kramden

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May 5, 2004, 6:12:24 PM5/5/04

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Anonymouse Unbeknownst seems to have said:

>Please take the Scientology shit out of alt.flame.psychiatry.
>

As soon as you get rid of all the psych crap in alt.religion.scientology.

Anonymouse Unbeknownst

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May 5, 2004, 6:18:41 PM5/5/04

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It ain't mine, dude.

"Ralph Kramden" <ralph....@charter.net> wrote in message
news:oipi90p45iqki59f0...@4ax.com...

Samantha BeanHead

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May 5, 2004, 9:13:16 PM5/5/04

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Fools!!
Can't you see that a race of aliens called The Thetans has invaded the
planet and is trying to subdue us all!
B Schwarz is one of their primary infected PR drones.
These surely are The End Times. The future of the Earth is at stake
and all you care about is a few posts landing in the wrong place...
You probably need psychiatric help...

Faxhor

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May 5, 2004, 9:34:55 PM5/5/04

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rod...@yahoo.com (Rodi) wrote in message news:<1ed87747.04050...@posting.google.com>...

> All the truth about Dianetics and Scientology

Your website is biased and DOES NOT contain all the truth about
Dianetics and Scientology. It contains SOME of the negative articles
that are OLD with reference to judgements which are OLD.

I suggest you come up to date and add some of the NEW truth about
Dianetics and Scientology.

You are obviously a Christian "Judge not and you shall not be judged"

Faxhor

Fluffy

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May 5, 2004, 9:16:04 PM5/5/04

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"Samantha BeanHead" <sa...@tjade2003.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:sq3j905gcm9kgttev...@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 5 May 2004 18:18:41 -0400, "Anonymouse Unbeknownst"
> <anony...@unbeknownst.com> wrote:
>
> >It ain't mine, dude.
> >
> >"Ralph Kramden" <ralph....@charter.net> wrote in message
> >news:oipi90p45iqki59f0...@4ax.com...
> >> Anonymouse Unbeknownst seems to have said:
> >>
> >> >Please take the Scientology shit out of alt.flame.psychiatry.
> >> >
> >>
> >> As soon as you get rid of all the psych crap in
alt.religion.scientology.
> >
>
> Fools!!
> Can't you see that a race of aliens called The Thetans has invaded the
> planet and is trying to subdue us all!

"Thetan" is the Scn word for "spirit" or "soul".

(the more familiar you are with the basic terms- and "thetan"is one of the
most common words in Scn- the more amusing your parodies may be...)

C

Anonymouse Unbeknownst

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please keep this crap out of alt.flame.psychiatry.

"Faxhor" <fax...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Rodi

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May 7, 2004, 9:43:00 PM5/7/04

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Roberto Diaz - RODI
rod...@yahoo.com
http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/

Scientology a way of death - Cienciología un camino de muerte
.
"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man,
but the end thereof are the ways of death". Proverbs 16:25.
.
"Hay camino que parece derecho al hombre,
Pero su fín es camino de muerte". Proverbios 16:25.
.
THE FILES OF RODI - ENGLISH
http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/

All the truth about Dianetics and Scientology

Help and information for victims and investigators
.
"Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness,

but rather expose them". Ephesians 5:11 - NIV

Rodi

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May 7, 2004, 9:52:16 PM5/7/04

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