Rathbun drops a bombshell !
Astrid
Quotes from Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney:
"The best evidence of that perjury is that in 2001 through 2003
Miscavige personally assigned me as Inspector General RTC – the second
highest ecclessiastical position in the religion – to coordinate Tom’s
divorce from Nicole and to serve as his auditor."
"Dozens of former Church members have turned to me livid about Tom’s
continuing public support for Miscavige. I have dissuaded each and
every one of them from attacking Tom publicly. I have also counseled
people who were abused by Tom personally – in matters that eerily
resemble the behavior of Miscavige – to give Tom the time to get
educated and do the right thing which I have convinced them he
ultimately will do."
The letter is on Marty's website, but I gave you the link at top to a
thread that has both letters. Wow, this is going to be big. Marty has
balls!
Nook Encranny
> http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/marty-rathbuns-letter-tom-cruises-attorney-51874/
>
> Quotes from Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney:
>
>
> "The best evidence of that perjury is that in 2001 through 2003
> highest ecclessiastical position in the religion � to coordinate Tom�s
> divorce from Nicole and to serve as his auditor."
Unanswered is this question: Did Marty coodinate with Bert to have
Nicole's telephone tapped by Anthony Pellicano. If he did, and Bert
told the FBI he didn't so such; then it seems Fields could still be
arrested for lying to the FBI?
Marty just might have Bert Fields over a barrel.
>
>
> "Dozens of former Church members have turned to me livid about Tom�s
> continuing public support for Miscavige. I have dissuaded each and
> every one of them from attacking Tom publicly. I have also counseled
> people who were abused by Tom personally � in matters that eerily
> resemble the behavior of Miscavige � to give Tom the time to get
BnThDnTh
> http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/marty-rathb...
>
> Quotes from Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney:
>
> "The best evidence of that perjury is that in 2001 through 2003
> Miscavige personally assigned me as Inspector General RTC – the second
> highest ecclessiastical position in the religion – to coordinate Tom’s
> divorce from Nicole and to serve as his auditor."
>
> "Dozens of former Church members have turned to me livid about Tom’s
> continuing public support for Miscavige. I have dissuaded each and
> every one of them from attacking Tom publicly. I have also counseled
> people who were abused by Tom personally – in matters that eerily
> resemble the behavior of Miscavige – to give Tom the time to get
> educated and do the right thing which I have convinced them he
> ultimately will do."
>
> The letter is on Marty's website, but I gave you the link at top to a
> thread that has both letters. Wow, this is going to be big. Marty has
> balls!
WHY on Earth isn't some law enforcement agency looking into these
allegations and bringing this criminal organization to trial?
phil scott
>
> - Show quoted text -
There are many reasons all of which Ive posted plenty of evidence on.
I wont repeat the
evidence here..
- The CIA uses the cult of scientology for its espionage activity
(Greek govt convicted scn/cia for that)
- The cult has extensive blackmail gathered on govt and private
company officials world wide.
- Scn fronts and associates are joint ventured in business with the
CIA. USBX bank (cult founded)
advertised on their web sites along with the CIA's Carlyle group
the joint venture agreement. Links
posted to this NG 2004 approx by Tom Klemsrud.
- The CIA has a long and hairy record of using cults for its brain
wash and drug tests.
Hubbard had many links with US, Army and Navy intelligence when he was
in the navy (disregard
the derogatory cover stories).
- Hubbard underwrote the Stanford research institute RV studies
sponsored by these intelligence
agencies dating from the 70's (Several of those Ingo Swann and
Pat Price toured the Scn orgs
at Hubbards bequest talking it up... 1974 sacramento Org, talked
with both of them)
Phil scott
Lawrence Toomajan
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On Aug 26, 3:09 pm, BnThDnTh <dbeenth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 26, 11:28 am, Astrid <Astrid7777...@yahoo.com> wrote:
{SNIP}
*Hubbard had many links with US, Army and Navy
*Phil scott
That's why he was thrown out of the navy most likely.
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Lawrence
Skipper
<b3d1684e-3882-45b9...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
phil scott <ph...@philscott.net> wrote:
> On Aug 26, 3:09�pm, BnThDnTh <dbeenth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 26, 11:28�am, Astrid <Astrid7777...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/marty-rathb...
> >
> > > Quotes from Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney:
> >
> > > "The best evidence of that perjury is that in 2001 through 2003
> > > Miscavige personally assigned me as Inspector General RTC � the second
> > > highest ecclessiastical position in the religion � to coordinate Tom�s
> > > divorce from Nicole and to serve as his auditor."
> >
> > > "Dozens of former Church members have turned to me livid about Tom�s
> > > continuing public support for Miscavige. I have dissuaded each and
> > > every one of them from attacking Tom publicly. I have also counseled
> > > people who were abused by Tom personally � in matters that eerily
> > > resemble the behavior of Miscavige � to give Tom the time to get
> > > educated and do the right thing which I have convinced them he
> > > ultimately will do."
> >
> > > The letter is on Marty's website, but I gave you the link at top to a
> > > thread that has both letters. Wow, this is going to be big. Marty has
> > > balls!
> >
> > WHY on Earth isn't some law enforcement agency looking into these
> > allegations and bringing this criminal organization to trial?- Hide quoted
> > text -
Because no one has filed charges in the proper jurisdictions within the
proper statutes of limitations. Very simple.
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> There are many reasons all of which Ive posted plenty of evidence on.
> I wont repeat the evidence here..
>
Phil, I have access to some pretty interesting people, and you're
really into black helicopter stuff here. You give the cult far more
credit than it deserves. If all that shit was true, they wouldn't have
the trouble they have in Germany and France, just as one example.
> - The CIA uses the cult of scientology for its espionage activity
> (Greek govt convicted scn/cia for that)
> - The cult has extensive blackmail gathered on govt and private
> company officials world wide.
> - Scn fronts and associates are joint ventured in business with the
> CIA. USBX bank (cult founded)
> advertised on their web sites along with the CIA's Carlyle group
> the joint venture agreement. Links
> posted to this NG 2004 approx by Tom Klemsrud.
> - The CIA has a long and hairy record of using cults for its brain
> wash and drug tests.
>
> Hubbard had many links with US, Army and Navy intelligence when he was
> in the navy (disregard the derogatory cover stories).
>
Oh, horseshit. I knew two guys who were with him in the hospital where
he supposedly used only his mind to recover from his wounds. They both
independently of each other conveyed to me that Elwrong was a
completely loony piece of shit that the doctors and patients couldn't
wait to get rid of.
> - Hubbard underwrote the Stanford research institute RV studies
> sponsored by these intelligence
> agencies dating from the 70's (Several of those Ingo Swann and
> Pat Price toured the Scn orgs
I don't think Ingo or Hal Puthoff would agree with you on the funding.
They're both still around, though Ed May is apparently gone, and Pat
Price has been dead for years and was pretty full of shit on his OT
powers crap, reminiscent of Crowley.
Hartley Patterson
> WHY on Earth isn't some law enforcement agency looking into these
> allegations and bringing this criminal organization to trial?
In France and Belgium they are.
A reliable source close to the FBI tells us that it believes it does not
have the budget to tackle the CoS. Unless the Federal government puts
pressure on it to do so, it won't until the CoS cash reserves have gone.
Then, we may assume, the FBI will be happy to administer last rites and
jail the perps.
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phil scott
> "phil scott" <p...@philscott.net> wrote in message
Lawrence... it is convienient to trash eltubbo for screwing up in the
navy... those records may or may not be whats called in the espionage
business a cover. was it? I HAVE NO FUCKING CLOOOOOOO.
Was Hubbard involved with US intelligence early on? Oh yes, the
links go way back ... I wont reguritate them here... has THIS BEEN
TRIED BEFORE GOD AND ALL THE FUCKING IN NATIONS WITH 500 BILLION
WITNESSS AND ****PROVED?
Duhhh.
Is there extensive evidence of CIA involvement and US intelligence
involvement with with the cult... Oh hell yes... its all over like
paint, books written on it, live witness writing more books ... and...
eye witnesses...moi for instancce.
grow the fuck up man
Phil scott
phil scott
> In article
> <b3d1684e-3882-45b9-8dc6-a0990b5de...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
Jointly, our remarks paint a more accurate picture than just what I
have.... or just
what you have....
there is ample evidence to support either pole of these notions the
actual facts are
in these ranges though....how skewed to either pole I doint know. If
I were to argue your
position Id say 'the CIA and US govt are well known for being half
nutz themselves and
have tried all sorts of dumb ass things"
On that point, ive seen it myself...at the Hanford Nuclear weapons
site... they bought a
magnetic water gismo...pure crap.. its comon.
**
In support of my view is the fact that the CIA is well known and
documented to work with every
single strip and perversion of humanity... including hooker in the LSD
experiements in SF during
the 60's and a wide range of cults.
with the e meter and a way to debrief scn members there is a perfect
espionage set up, the
person inside has no clue he is being debriefed for espionage
purposes...he or she just thinks
its auditing..(that strategy is common in scn.)... the CIA would be on
board with that.
and we know the joint deal with scn, SRI and the intelligence agencies
that funded the mess...hardly
a secret..many books on that and a lot of live witnesses.
Has the CIA made use of nut cases before? Yes they are record for
working with all sorts of people,
its comon i the news, Sadam Hussain for instance, many inside the
mob... they use whatever asset
they can to get inside information or to serve their interests.
thats how its done.
Would they use Hubbard? or Lil slappy... sure they would.
I was doing a job for a writer a while back..who had been asked by the
CIA to listen in a bit and report as she
was writing and interviewing abroad. that is wall to wall common.
Did the CIA respect eltubbo? I doubt it. That does not mean there
werre not links.
do you find it intereing that the cultie incubated USBX bank had
officially and on the record joint ventured with the CIA's Carlyle
group? duhh... you see thats true too.
Now why in hell would they do that? Could it be that the CIA funded
Oracle corp startup (its in their annual report) hired a batch of
scientologists, ex USGO staff.. running 'e republic' to distribute
and service their million dollar world class data base (hottest
espionage tool of all time).
Could it be that the CIA nor any others on the string needs it
pulled? oh yes...and its necessary for such
liasons to work.
none fo that changes the documented, live, in place, ongoing
facts.. Skip.
Phil scott
>
>
>
> > at Hubbards bequest talking it up... 1974 sacramento Org, talked
> > with both of them)
>
> > Phil scott- Hide quoted text -
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"Hartley Patterson" <hpt...@daisy.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
in message
news:MPG.24ffdf1ad...@news.thundernews.com
> dbeen...@yahoo.com says:
>
>> WHY on Earth isn't some law enforcement agency looking
>> into these allegations and bringing this criminal
>> organization to trial?
>
> In France and Belgium they are.
>
> A reliable source close to the FBI tells us that it
> believes it does not have the budget to tackle the CoS.
> Unless the Federal government puts pressure on it to do
> so, it won't until the CoS cash reserves have gone. Then,
> we may assume, the FBI will be happy to administer last
> rites and jail the perps.
Well, what with us having no money and all, I'd say that's a fairly sound
plan.
Skipper
<9917a333-f351-46e3...@i18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
phil scott <ph...@philscott.net> wrote:
And a friend of mine tested a Tesla death ray for the government that
actually worked - particle beams. He's a reliable source, heavy
credentials, no reason to lie to me. It was mentioned in a show I
wrote, without mentioning his identity.
So what? And Michael Bayback's a jerk, too. But you make it seem like
they were hand in hand with the cult, and that to take on the cult is
to take on the CIA. Not so.
>
> Now why in hell would they do that? Could it be that the CIA funded
> Oracle corp startup (its in their annual report) hired a batch of
> scientologists, ex USGO staff.. running 'e republic' to distribute
> and service their million dollar world class data base (hottest
> espionage tool of all time).
Larry Ellison's a jerk, so I can believe he'd go for something like
that. The eRepublic people in Sacramento I know a number of them and I
don't think they're bright enough to do anything but cut and paste ops.
So what's your point?
What would be the giant super-duper world takeover aim of all this?
I don't think you've really thought this through.
phil scott
> "Hartley Patterson" <hptt...@daisy.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
> in messagenews:MPG.24ffdf1ad...@news.thundernews.com
>
> > dbeenth...@yahoo.com says:
>
> >> WHY on Earth isn't some law enforcement agency looking
> >> into these allegations and bringing this criminal
> >> organization to trial?
>
> > In France and Belgium they are.
>
> > A reliable source close to the FBI tells us that it
> > believes it does not have the budget to tackle the CoS.
> > Unless the Federal government puts pressure on it to do
> > so, it won't until the CoS cash reserves have gone. Then,
> > we may assume, the FBI will be happy to administer last
> > rites and jail the perps.
>
> Well, what with us having no money and all, I'd say that's a fairly sound
> plan.
in my situation with the Quigley hit on me from his desk at Oracle...I
had
warned them in advance that I knew the US wouldnt take action against
them, but that the EU nations would. and thats how it shook out as
German and France in particular took note... Oracle lost all of its
German and French offical govt installs ... they switched to SAP. a
massive
loss to Oracle corp... I havent been messed with at any significant
level since.
Oracle however is still in tight liason with the cult via "e
republic' its world
wide distributor for its million dollar a copy relational data base
(the tool commissioned
by the CIA (which funded Oracle for that development, its in their
annual report).
that data base can hack other databases, world wide, in hundreds of
different languages
and formats, and create detailed files ..with thousands of different
screens, then associate
those with others where they intersect.
it is ex USGO staff that founded and runs e republic... that story
by a sacramento
bee side paper posted to this NG in early 2000...(I was screened then
interviewed for the story)
Phil scott
phil scott
> In article
I have not said that, you have as you say, 'made it seem' to you at
least that
this is the case. Ive stated clearly what my views are regarding CIA
involvement.
though e republic run by ex USGO staff and one co-conspiritor in
the FBI charges
for espionage in 1977 hands distribution, and training for Oracle..a
CIA start up.
there is nothing simplistic about what goes on...and no one I know has
a full view
of it...but there are serious connections. thats just one of them.
Ive been listing for
years now.
>
>
>
> > Now why in hell would they do that? Could it be that the CIA funded
> > Oracle corp startup (its in their annual report) hired a batch of
> > scientologists, ex USGO staff.. running 'e republic' to distribute
> > and service their million dollar world class data base (hottest
> > espionage tool of all time).
>
> Larry Ellison's a jerk, so I can believe he'd go for something like
> that. The eRepublic people in Sacramento I know a number of them and I
> don't think they're bright enough to do anything but cut and paste ops.
whatever... they distribute Oracles relational data base, to
govts..its abiltiy and
purpose is to put together files on anyone or company in seconds world
wide.
that is simply a fact.... e republic run and founded by ex USGO
staff... duhhhh
connect da dots dooood.
>
> So what's your point?
that the cult is being protected in the US because it serves CIA
interests, and that
is because of the scientologys ability data mine its members...and
according to the
Greek, German and French govts acts as an arm of the CIA in their
countries.
that published in the EU press and posted to this NG a few hundred
times.
sorry.... thats just how it is......
>
> What would be the giant super-duper world takeover aim of all this?
you nutz or something bud? I am not asserting that..thats your spin.
Espionage though is valuable and the CIA is charged around the world
with
using american cults to penetrate those countries, scientology most
prominently.
thats what THEY say pal.... Im just reporting that. I do think the
reports
are accurate however, there is lot of collaborative evidence.
>
> I don't think you've really thought this through.
duhhh... Ive been posting the hard core data for over 10 years here.
re my 'thinking' I am a consulting mechanical engineer with clients
in
major firms nation wide, and testified before the US congress for two
hours... I know what Im doing bud.
sorry, if you had even a faint clooo you wouldnt be raising such thin
objections
and spinning what IVe written as you ignore the hard core well
published
evidience.
Phil Scott
xenufrance
"Hartley Patterson" <hpt...@daisy.freeserve.co.uk> a �crit dans le message
de news: MPG.24ffdf1ad...@news.thundernews.com...
> dbeen...@yahoo.com says:
>
>> WHY on Earth isn't some law enforcement agency looking into these
>> allegations and bringing this criminal organization to trial?
>
> In France and Belgium they are.
>
> A reliable source close to the FBI tells us that it believes it does not
> have the budget to tackle the CoS. Unless the Federal government puts
> pressure on it to do so, it won't until the CoS cash reserves have gone.
> Then, we may assume, the FBI will be happy to administer last rites and
> jail the perps.
could be hard to obtain since the cult hid a large part of its assets in
estates...
r
Fredric L. Rice
>http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/marty-rathbuns-letter-tom-cruises-attorney-51874/
>Quotes from Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney:
Why believe anything that Rathbun says? The guy _is_ an insane cultist,
after all, and was a major crime boss in Scientology for many years.
Why believe people who have proven themselves to be lying sacks of
criminal assholes?
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Lawrence Toomajan
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> Astrid <Astrid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/marty-rathbuns-letter-tom-cruises-attorney-51874/
>>Quotes from Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney:
>
> Why believe anything that Rathbun says? The guy _is_ an insane cultist,
> after all, and was a major crime boss in Scientology for many years.
> Why believe people who have proven themselves to be lying sacks of
> criminal assholes?
>
That is what I think.
I was thinking about it on the way home.
If I was working at INT and he was my boss
he would have smacked the shit out of me because
my stats were down and then looked me up to
apologize after he blew the Sea Org?
I think that a lot of chics just think he has a big
dick or something and it hotter than Phil Scott
so that is why they like him.
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON for over 11 years!
one bone to pick with yah phil, re SRI RV stuff... Maureen took a
trip to the National archives in Beltsville Md, and got
a research pass, and started digging through the computer files... and
found 2" of paper - It was the actual protocols
used for the SRI RV trials... I went through every single page,
looking for anything scientological and guess what...
There was nothing in them that remotely resembled anything in
Slimotology or Diarretics..
ZIP, nada, NOTHING...
Nook Encranny
> In article
> <b3d1684e-3882-45b9...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
> phil scott <ph...@philscott.net> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 26, 3:09 pm, BnThDnTh <dbeenth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 26, 11:28 am, Astrid <Astrid7777...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/marty-rathb...
>>>> Quotes from Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney:
>>>> "The best evidence of that perjury is that in 2001 through 2003
>>>> highest ecclessiastical position in the religion � to coordinate Tom�s
>>>> divorce from Nicole and to serve as his auditor."
>>>> continuing public support for Miscavige. I have dissuaded each and
>>>> every one of them from attacking Tom publicly. I have also counseled
>>>> resemble the behavior of Miscavige � to give Tom the time to get
In 1995 the Washington Post had a "cults" website online. It
categorized the Unification Church and Scientology as "1950's CIA cults".
This site was later taken down.
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON for over 11 years!
> "Hartley Patterson" <hptt...@daisy.freeserve.co.uk> a écrit dans le message
> denews: MPG.24ffdf1ad3175589989__BEGIN_MASK_n#9g02mG7!__...__END_MASK_i?a63jfAD$z...@news.thundernews.com...
>
> > dbeenth...@yahoo.com says:
>
> >> WHY on Earth isn't some law enforcement agency looking into these
> >> allegations and bringing this criminal organization to trial?
>
> > In France and Belgium they are.
>
> > A reliable source close to the FBI tells us that it believes it does not
> > have the budget to tackle the CoS. Unless the Federal government puts
> > pressure on it to do so, it won't until the CoS cash reserves have gone.
> > Then, we may assume, the FBI will be happy to administer last rites and
> > jail the perps.
>
> could be hard to obtain since the cult hid a large part of its assets in
> estates...
>
> r
>
>
But I bet most of the "mortgages" are held by a Geneva Switzerland
based "Mortgage Company" corporation.. that just "happens" to be run
by OSA DSA NY John Carmichael's ex wife.
Which begs the question, if Scientology declared a 1/2 billion as CSI
assets bringing it onto the books of CST - supposedly declaring all
the money that was squirrelled away overseas... is the endless
property buying spree of David Miscavige's scam, merely a way to turn
the UNDECLARED assets that were not brought back into the country
(what they LIED under OATH to the IRS??) when CST got its tax
exemption, as inflated-by-slave-labor-renovation-mortgages on the
property?
Sounds like a good plan to me unless anyone noticed
Keywords "IRS, Tax Evasion, Money Laundering, Perjury, Scientology,
CST, Tax Exemption"
Skipper
<775d8b0e-5082-47b6...@i8g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
phil scott <ph...@philscott.net> wrote:
And I used to write for Freedom magazine including an 8-page spread
about the IRS, so what? Does that mean the IRS is scared of me?
Joe Lisa died last year, hit man of sorts for USGO, left a couple of
kids behind including one still in high school. Was it a CIA hit?
Some of the Snow White guys like Greg Willardson got into computers
post-prison because they were felons and otherwise unemployable by
many.
You're assuming that anyone ex-USGO is still trying to clear the planet
for Elwrong or something.
> >
> > So what's your point?
>
> that the cult is being protected in the US because it serves CIA
> interests, and that
> is because of the scientologys ability data mine its members...and
> according to the
> Greek, German and French govts acts as an arm of the CIA in their
> countries.
>
> that published in the EU press and posted to this NG a few hundred
> times.
>
> sorry.... thats just how it is......
Then someone in the CIA better get fired because they're doing a LOUSY
job of protecting the cult in the U.S. because it's ALMOST DEAD.
>
> >
> > What would be the giant super-duper world takeover aim of all this?
>
> you nutz or something bud? I am not asserting that..thats your spin.
> Espionage though is valuable and the CIA is charged around the world
> with using american cults to penetrate those countries, scientology most
> prominently.
>
> thats what THEY say pal.... Im just reporting that. I do think the
> reports are accurate however, there is lot of collaborative evidence.
>
>
> >
> > I don't think you've really thought this through.
>
> duhhh... Ive been posting the hard core data for over 10 years here.
> re my 'thinking' I am a consulting mechanical engineer with clients
> in major firms nation wide, and testified before the US congress for two
> hours... I know what Im doing bud.
>
> sorry, if you had even a faint clooo you wouldnt be raising such thin
> objections and spinning what IVe written as you ignore the hard core well
> published evidience.
>
Phil, you don't have the slightest fucking clue what you're talking
about. You've been spouting the same shit for years about Carlyle
Group, CIA, OSA, blah blah, never any specific incident except you
having dinner with Jeff Quiros etc.
If it's such a big deal WRITE A FUCKING BOOK, you might get it
published. Go tell the guy at infowars.com about it and see if he
laughs at you, or not.
xenufrance
"Lermanet.com Exposing the CON for over 11 years!" <ale...@verizon.net> a
I agree more or ess to your explanation. It's more than evident , after
having scanned, OCRed and read and somewhat calculated most of the IRS
declarations that DM and other signatories of these documents have lied a
lot while establishing them. That could add to Marty's credibility if he
explained the details.
r
Eldon
> Astrid <Astrid7777...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/marty-rathb...
>
> Why believe anything that Rathbun says? The guy _is_ an insane cultist,
> after all, and was a major crime boss in Scientology for many years.
> Why believe people who have proven themselves to be lying sacks of
> criminal assholes?
I think he's in the process of waking up. If you listened to that
telephone conversation with some "Anonymous" named Jammes (it's linked
in the comments), he is now saying he knows all the dirt about
Hubbard, but there are some good pieces of tech in there. I'd say
he'll be more sorted out in a few months. At least he seems to be
headed in the right direction.
>
> ---
> Christianity is nothing more a deadly hate cult. Here's more evidence:http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/gospel-hate-arizona-pastor-st...
Hartley Patterson
> Why believe anything that Rathbun says? The guy _is_ an insane
cultist,
> after all, and was a major crime boss in Scientology for many years.
> Why believe people who have proven themselves to be lying sacks of
> criminal assholes?
Why believe any ex member Fred? Deciding what to believe based on what
you already believe, isn't that what cultists do? :-)
Anecdotal evidence is just that and no more. Proof comes with documents,
tapes and videos.
In that respect, the latest StP Times vs Miscavige spat was a lot of hot
air. The StP Times produced four apostates, the cult countered with
dozens of loyalists and Miscavige saying this was 'irrefutable proof'
that he was right. So the StP Times came up with fifteen more ex-
members. Right, good response dude, we got more liars than them...
I don't believe the CoS is a criminal cult because ex-members say it is.
My belief is based on the documented evidence.
Lawrence Toomajan
I like Marty.
I watched his whole interview.
He is the only Sea Org member I ever saw
that seemed like he was looking right at me in his
photos.
It is a sad thing, but the nicest people in the world
that one loves and appreciates the most are always
the ones that leave Scientology. They are the ones
you trust.
Fred is so hard core when it comes to Scientology, I expect
that is why he and I have never had a harsh word between us
all these years. He is like Roger Gonnet, always there when you
need him.
It would be nice to think that Marty is a real guy with something
more to say other than "David Miscavige" beats everybody up.
But, since Marty is such a big topic these days, I feel the same about
Amy Scobee. I think she has been nothing but a sweet understanding
girl that I trust since her first days in the Sea Org.
But just the two of them were hard line Scientologists up there at
the top of INT management. What did INT managment do to me
when I asked them why money was missing from my accounts?
They ignored me.
So like Valerie has said "I should care what they think".
Tigger
Sorry, but the CIA/Scientology conspiracy theory just doesn't make
sense. SHOW ME the EVIDENCE.
But if Phil and anyone else thinks it does,
contact some investigative reporters and lay your "evidence" at their
feet.
If they laugh at you, you can always rush to Rush Lamebrain with your
"stories". Convince Mr. Bullshit there are Democrats involved and
you've hit pay "dirt". :o)
Tigger
banchukita
> "Hartley Patterson" <hptt...@daisy.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
> in messagenews:MPG.24ffdf1ad...@news.thundernews.com
>
>
> >> WHY on Earth isn't some law enforcement agency looking
> >> into these allegations and bringing this criminal
> >> organization to trial?
>
> > In France and Belgium they are.
>
> > A reliable source close to the FBI tells us that it
> > believes it does not have the budget to tackle the CoS.
> > Unless the Federal government puts pressure on it to do
> > so, it won't until the CoS cash reserves have gone. Then,
> > we may assume, the FBI will be happy to administer last
> > rites and jail the perps.
>
> Well, what with us having no money and all, I'd say that's a fairly sound
> plan.
Someone needs to think of all the property that would go back on the
tax rolls were it to be confiscated...
phil scott
>
> - Show quoted text -
Read Ingo Swanns book on the subject, is states that virtually all of
what they used was
what he (ingo) had intuited himself, but that two parts of what
Hubbard had were useful.
an axiom....for got the exact wording... 'space is the viewpoint of
dimension' or some such and
one other. (both imo when applied ruin its host along the lines
demonstrated in Pschic Warriors, forgot
the mans name a US army Col who was involved in the Armys remote
viewing project.
Also I was at the Sacramento Scientology COSMOD mission when Ingo
Swann and Pat Price did their tour,
books by Swann and others involved said there were several dozen
scientologists used in the
trials.. a lot of smoke re the success or not.. but they went on for
over 20 years.. for a reason.
So that is a significant level of involvement... but yes indeedie the
testing protocols would have
nothing at all to do with scientology.... card reading, seeing inside
the black box viewing, and other
more distant RV by coorinates, coordinate remote viewing etc..and
later RI, remote influencing... none
of that had or has anything in common with scientology or Hubbard
except that one Ive mentioned,
that Swann says was not a key aspect...
Phil Scott
phil scott
> Skipper wrote:
> > In article
> > <b3d1684e-3882-45b9-8dc6-a0990b5de...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> On Aug 26, 3:09 pm, BnThDnTh <dbeenth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On Aug 26, 11:28 am, Astrid <Astrid7777...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/marty-rathb...
> >>>> Quotes from Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney:
> >>>> "The best evidence of that perjury is that in 2001 through 2003
> >>>> highest ecclessiastical position in the religion – to coordinate Tom’s
> >>>> divorce from Nicole and to serve as his auditor."
> >>>> continuing public support for Miscavige. I have dissuaded each and
> >>>> every one of them from attacking Tom publicly. I have also counseled
> >>>> resemble the behavior of Miscavige – to give Tom the time to get
>
> - Show quoted text -
Now that is interesting.... Much of the EU nations have been
asserting that
since the 50's as well... sued in court and gotten convitions...in
greece for instance
scn org with top secret maps of the greek military bases in their
files.
thats recent too. about 8 years ago approx. translated excerpts
posted to
the NG.
Phil Scott
phil scott
> In article
No i doesnt. The IRS wouldnt hire your ass though to run some aspect
its
operation.
The CIA founded Oracle Corp DOES hire ex USGO staff founded e
republic
to run a major aspect of its operations.. their million dollar plus
relational data base
sales to states and other nations world wide... thats a major
connection and
it involves ex OSA staff one an indicted co-conspiritor in the US
espionage mess.
thats a tad different that the scenario you present re your articles
about the IRS.
>
> Joe Lisa died last year, hit man of sorts for USGO, left a couple of
> kids behind including one still in high school. Was it a CIA hit?
Doubtful... there is no direct set of links for one thing, and no
motive at
all for the CIA to hit Lisa... that would be connecting dots when
you
have only two or three... I wait intil I have a few dozen dots, in
black and
white, then I *begin connecting dots, when I gotts about 300 dozen
dots
connected and puzzle begins looking like a Rembrant...well then... I
begin drawing conclusions.
do not attempt to spin me as a nut case who connects two sketchy dots
and jumps to conclustions.
on a oposite tac...I see those who refuse to connect dots when there
are
dozens of glaring and notice that the obvious is being agressively
ignored.
thats always interesting.
>
> Some of the Snow White guys like Greg Willardson got into computers
> post-prison because they were felons and otherwise unemployable by
> many.
Yes indeedie..that is no doubt true... so the CIA founded Oracle corp
hires them to front
its highest end govt funded relational data base.. thet would be the
same govt that
sent his sorry ass to prison? now thats just amazin' ain't it?
Must be a cornicidennncceee.
>
> You're assuming that anyone ex-USGO is still trying to clear the planet
> for Elwrong or something.
No way in hell am I assuming that... clearing the planet is not and
never
was on anyone of these peoples agenda. ....
Skip you would do better not
to decide or assume that you know what Im thinking.... no wonder you
come
up with such rationale.
...., when Ive never even intimated
I held such notions.
Niether the CIA nor any other cult it is using, nor the criminal cult
is interested in 'clearing' anyone. they have both
known for decades that its bogus.
But they are hard wired in dozens of aspects in SEC filings as joint
ventured etc...sorry Skip
those are simple facts.... what conclusions do I draw from that... not
a lot...just that the
CIA is joint ventured with many aspect of the criminal cult for
decades......... duhh.
its all on the record as Ive been mentioning.
>
>
>
> > > So what's your point?
>
> > that the cult is being protected in the US because it serves CIA
> > interests, and that
> > is because of the scientologys ability data mine its members...and
> > according to the
> > Greek, German and French govts acts as an arm of the CIA in their
> > countries.
>
> > that published in the EU press and posted to this NG a few hundred
> > times.
>
> > sorry.... thats just how it is......
>
> Then someone in the CIA better get fired because they're doing a LOUSY
> job of protecting the cult in the U.S. because it's ALMOST DEAD.
The CIA has been involved with a wider range of people, see in
publicity photo's
together and recieveing CIA funding who are now dead or missing...Bin
Laden. and
Sadam Hussien...and a wide range of South American dictators, and in
Romania
and around the world... in many cases no doubt taken out by the CIA
themselves.
The CIA is in bed with many cults, thats known all over the EU...its
in books, its
a comon tactic... scientology made a prize winner in that regard....
as it has
gone totally beserk no doubt the CIA has no interest in supporting it.
However...in the mid 90's and even early in the 2000's our US state
dept
offered scientology support in various prosecutions against
it...France and
Spain for example...those details posted many times to the NG at the
time.
why? imo the cult was still useful as an espionage tool.... it no
longer is however.
It may still be useful as a money laundering and espionage asset
though...like
hookers paid and used by the CIA...useful and joint ventured.. none
of that
entails respect though.
Im surprised that such a literate person as yourself hasnt noticed.
***
beyond all that are the CIA' range of other full time or part time
assets..
they dont need any of this advertized so attempt to supress it, though
its
a bit way too late for that ever since the Quigley hit on me from
offices
at Oracle corp, a few blocks from the huge Oracle campus in Rockliin
calif.
Phil Scott
> > > What would be the giant super-duper world takeover aim of all this?
>
> > you nutz or something bud? I am not asserting that..thats your spin.
> > Espionage though is valuable and the CIA is charged around the world
>
> ...
>
> read more »- Hide quoted text -
phil scott
> Sorry, but the CIA/Scientology conspiracy theory just doesn't make
> sense. SHOW ME the EVIDENCE.
THERE IS NO CIA/ SCIENTOLOGY CONSPIRACY...NONE, ZIP ..NADA.
I have never ever said there was, and am asserting here that there is
not.
There is bountiful documented evidence, that neither the CIA nor the
cult
as EVER tried to hide...that they are doing business together...Ive
listed
those a dozen times and they have been posted a dozen times and have
been documented in press reports from around the world.
again..THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY...for there to be a conspiracy it must
be SECRET. the USBX/ Carlyle group JV is in the SEC filings and
both posted it
to their web sites at the time....= NO CONSPIRACY...none, zip...nada.
Same with the SRI remote viewing experiments...all that, all the
funding from the CIA
and US intelligence was public never hidden, nor was the involvement
of dozens
of scientologists... = NO conspriracy.
duuhhhhhhh.
However there are dozens of hard wired connections... and the cult IS
used in CIA ops
according to many EU nations, and the Greek govt....= NO
conspiracy. thats simply
what the CIA does for this country, intelligence gathering in any way
it can.
is that clear? I hope that helps.
>
> But if Phil and anyone else thinks it does,
> contact some investigative reporters and lay your "evidence" at their
> feet.
There have been many articles on that issue, I was interviewed for the
one done
by a sacramento bee reporter in late 1999... about e republic and
Oracle etc.
NONE OF THAT IS ILLEGAL...not one minisclue fragment of that is
illegal...not a
bit of it is prosecutable...and further.. SHOULD NOT BE
PROSECUTED...this is what
the CIA does, we need them to do that...it uses any tactic it can go
gather intelligence and
do its operations world wide.... it is well known to use american
cults for that, including
but not limited to the criminal cult of scientology.
does that clarify yer thinking a bit Tigger.... I AM NOT, AND NEVER
HAVE ASSERTED A
CONSPIRACY HERE.
I DO assert that secret deals are made all the time in both legitimate
and illigitimate business,
when those involves illegal activities...it IS a conspiracy...what the
CIA is doing with the cult is
NOT illegal when it comes to intelligence gathering.
what it might be involved with re money laundering and drug running
(from page news for months they
admitted to it btw) to fund 'the contra's' was illegal.
>
> If they laugh at you, you can always rush to Rush Lamebrain with your
> "stories". Convince Mr. Bullshit there are Democrats involved and
> you've hit pay "dirt". :o)
Insults in lieu of noticing the actual issues do not look good on you
Tigger.
Phil Scott
I
>
> Tigger
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON for over 11 years!
> Astrid <Astrid7777...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/marty-rathb...
>
> Why believe anything that Rathbun says? The guy _is_ an insane cultist,
> after all, and was a major crime boss in Scientology for many years.
> Why believe people who have proven themselves to be lying sacks of
> criminal assholes?
>
> ---
He is on the first steps of 8 now 10 steps out of Scientology.
BECAUSE he is such a high profile member, he gets a great deal of
emotional traction...
IMO he might do the MOST damage to scientology by staying on the
first few steps out of Scientology.
The first step is the biggest one of all... the rest will follow in
time... they usually do, some folks just take longer than others.
http://www.Lermanet.com/cos/8steps.html
Fredric L. Rice
>"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
>news:_4Gdnf7jNo1PmQvX...@posted.sonicnet...
>> Astrid <Astrid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/marty-rathbuns-letter-tom-cruises-attorney-51874/
>>>Quotes from Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney:
>> Why believe anything that Rathbun says? The guy _is_ an insane cultist,
>> after all, and was a major crime boss in Scientology for many years.
>> Why believe people who have proven themselves to be lying sacks of
>> criminal assholes?
> Fred, That is what I think. I was thinking about it on the way home.
> If I was working at INT and he was my boss he would have smacked the
> shit out of me because my stats were down and then looked me up to
> apologize after he blew the Sea Org?
Unlikely, just because someone stopped rooking and swindling money
out of people and stopped violating people's civil rights does not
mean the person is a good guy now. That he's complaining about how
_he_ was abused and being rooked by those above him doesn't mean a
thing other than he was one of them, no different.
Fredric L. Rice
>On Aug 27, 6:04=A0am, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>> Astrid <Astrid7777...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/marty-rathb...
>> >Quotes from Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney:
>> Why believe anything that Rathbun says? The guy _is_ an insane cultist,
>> after all, and was a major crime boss in Scientology for many years.
>> Why believe people who have proven themselves to be lying sacks of
>> criminal assholes?
> I think he's in the process of waking up. If you listened to that
> telephone conversation with some "Anonymous" named Jammes (it's linked
> in the comments), he is now saying he knows all the dirt about
> Hubbard, but there are some good pieces of tech in there. I'd say
> he'll be more sorted out in a few months. At least he seems to be
> headed in the right direction.
If he swaps over to the FreeZone or Ron's Org, that would be a big
boost for the FreeZoners. I would like to see that happen. }:-}
---
Christianity is nothing more a deadly hate cult. Here's more evidence:
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/gospel-hate-arizona-pastor-steve-and
Astrid
<ale...@verizon.net> wrote:
> http://www.Lermanet.com/cos/8steps.html
Incidentally, I like your 10 steps a lot. They are unique to
Scientology, and I think probably very true for many ex-
Scientologists.
About most damage, with his focus on Miscavige, and all his direct
experience probably right. There are enough excellent critics like
yourself who have articulated the entire scam, yet weren't positioned
in the cult like Marty, (Cruise auditor, Miscavige bud, IRS deal
insider, McPherson catastrophe, OSA dog) and now with the timing, and
internet+video in place, it's Marty time.
I hope he read your 10 steps anyway, just to glimpse his future.
Fredric L. Rice
>fr...@skeptictank.org says:
>> Why believe anything that Rathbun says? The guy _is_ an insane
>> cultist, after all, and was a major crime boss in Scientology
>> for many years. Why believe people who have proven themselves
>> to be lying sacks of criminal assholes?
> Why believe any ex member Fred? Deciding what to believe based
> on what you already believe, isn't that what cultists do? :-)
It seems to me that people are granted provisional belief and
provisional respect until it is exhibited that people no longer
deserve either. Mr. Rathbun wasn't to be believed, trusted, or
respected for decades and yet now suddenly just because he's
complaining about how poorly Scientology treated him, that's no
cause to even provisionally believe anything he says, it seems
to me.
He lost the right to belief long ago and I think that he needs
to re-earn provisional belief and respect before anything he
says should be accepted. He's also not been expressing much
remorse at what he did to reduce other people's bank accounts.
> Anecdotal evidence is just that and no more. Proof comes
> with documents, tapes and videos.
And with acts of contrition. He could join the ranks of Anonymous
at monthly protests, he could post some indication that he's
sorry what he did to others who fell for the frauds and scams
that he sold them. Everything I've read from him so far has been
complaints about what Scientology did to him, how he was swindled
and such, but he was a major crook himself.
> I don't believe the CoS is a criminal cult because ex-members
> say it is. My belief is based on the documented evidence.
Exactly, that's science. }:-}
Lawrence Toomajan
> "Lawrence Toomajan" <thed...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
>>news:_4Gdnf7jNo1PmQvX...@posted.sonicnet...
>>> Astrid <Astrid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/marty-rathbuns-letter-tom-cruises-attorney-51874/
>>>>Quotes from Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney:
>>> Why believe anything that Rathbun says? The guy _is_ an insane cultist,
>>> after all, and was a major crime boss in Scientology for many years.
>>> Why believe people who have proven themselves to be lying sacks of
>>> criminal assholes?
>> Fred, That is what I think. I was thinking about it on the way home.
>> If I was working at INT and he was my boss he would have smacked the
>> shit out of me because my stats were down and then looked me up to
>> apologize after he blew the Sea Org?
>
> Unlikely, just because someone stopped rooking and swindling money
> out of people and stopped violating people's civil rights does not
> mean the person is a good guy now. That he's complaining about how
> _he_ was abused and being rooked by those above him doesn't mean a
> thing other than he was one of them, no different.
>
I worry about that, because have you seen his picture
when he was in the Sea Org? The one with David
Miscavige here:
http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2008/08/23/sea_org_members.jpg
He doesn't look too bad, but Jeff Hawkins is the one that looks
like his face is swollen or something, if that's him standing in front
of him.