Ian Shillington, M.D.
Rod Keller
Has this been posted before? From
http://www.our-home.org/ianshillington/myself.htm
"Hello, my name is Ian Shillington, and here is a little bit about myself:
I'm an herbalist who has an organization which manufactures herbal
remedies. The name of the company is Organic Solutions and our herbal
remedies and programs have been known to handle such things as cancer,
heart disease, diabetes, and intestinal disorders."
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Zinj
In article <6n7tn1$5...@netaxs.com>, rke...@netaxs.com says...
Geez.. can it cure dianetics too?!
America wants to know.
Zinj
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Zinj may or may not have said:
-> In article <6n7tn1$5...@netaxs.com>, rke...@netaxs.com says...
-> >
-> >Has this been posted before? From
-> >http://www.our-home.org/ianshillington/myself.htm
-> >
-> >"Hello, my name is Ian Shillington, and here is a little bit about
myself:
-> >I'm an herbalist who has an organization which manufactures herbal
-> >remedies. The name of the company is Organic Solutions and our herbal
-> >remedies and programs have been known to handle such things as cancer,
-> >heart disease, diabetes, and intestinal disorders."
-> >
-> >--
-> >Rod Keller / rke...@voicenet.com / Irresponsible Publisher
-> >Black Hat #1 / Expert of the Toilet / CWPD Mouthpiece
-> >The Lerma Apologist / Merchant of Chaos / Vision of Destruction
-> >Killer Rod / OSA Patsy / Quasi-Scieno / Mental Bully
->
-> Geez.. can it cure dianetics too?!
Nah, dianetics requires Psychiatric care.
-jcr
Deana Holmes
On 29 Jun 1998 11:27:29 GMT, rke...@netaxs.com (Rod Keller) wrote:
>Has this been posted before? From
>http://www.our-home.org/ianshillington/myself.htm
>
>"Hello, my name is Ian Shillington, and here is a little bit about myself:
>I'm an herbalist who has an organization which manufactures herbal
>remedies. The name of the company is Organic Solutions and our herbal
>remedies and programs have been known to handle such things as cancer,
>heart disease, diabetes, and intestinal disorders."
Is he actually a doctor? Nothing in this indicates a MD, but rather
alternative medicine.
Ian has been in CoS for a long time. Messiah or Madman details how a
17 year old Shillington went on a mission for LRH in 1967.
Ian also has this bad habit of coming to IRC channel #scientology (he
did it again yesterday as "Spiritu"), popping on, and then leaving.
(The first couple of times he did it, he failed to hide his real name,
but now he's gotten just a bit better.) I also believe he has hit my
web pages on more than one occasion.
Deana
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roger gonnet
Rod Keller wrote:
>
> Has this been posted before? From
> http://www.our-home.org/ianshillington/myself.htm
>
> "Hello, my name is Ian Shillington, and here is a little bit about myself:
> I'm an herbalist who has an organization which manufactures herbal
> remedies. The name of the company is Organic Solutions and our herbal
> remedies and programs have been known to handle such things as cancer,
> heart disease, diabetes, and intestinal disorders."
This is medical fraud. I've sent him a message that i'll sue
him before AMA for medical fraud.
Could someone give some publicity to this to AMA boys?
This "MD" does not deserve any confidence from his patients.
Roger
Rod Keller
roger gonnet (dictio...@hol.fr) wrote:
: Rod Keller wrote:
: > "Hello, my name is Ian Shillington, and here is a little bit about myself:
: > I'm an herbalist who has an organization which manufactures herbal
: > remedies. The name of the company is Organic Solutions and our herbal
: > remedies and programs have been known to handle such things as cancer,
: > heart disease, diabetes, and intestinal disorders."
:
: This is medical fraud. I've sent him a message that i'll sue
: him before AMA for medical fraud.
:
: Could someone give some publicity to this to AMA boys?
:
: This "MD" does not deserve any confidence from his patients.
I added the "M.D.", it's not from Ian's page. But I do think that
herbalists should refrain from claiming they can "handle" such diseases.
Does he say he can cure cancer, or does he say only that he can handle
such things as cancer? Is there a difference?
--
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The Lerma Apologist / Merchant of Chaos / Vision of Destruction
JimDBB
>PRE>Subject: Re: Ian Shillington, M.D.
>From: rke...@netaxs.com (Rod Keller)
>Date: Mon, Jun 29, 1998 11:46 EDT
>I added the "M.D.", it's not from Ian's page. But I do think that
>herbalists should refrain from claiming they can "handle" such diseases.
>Does he say he can cure cancer, or does he say only that he can handle
>such things as cancer? Is there a difference?
"our herbal remedies and programs have been known to handle such things as
cancer, dibetes and intestinal disorders,"
'Known to handle such things as cancer' is scientology jargon. Shillington is
promoting at least two scams...scientology and herbal cures for cancer. who
do we report him to?
JimDBB
Tilman Hausherr
>Has this been posted before? From
>http://www.our-home.org/ianshillington/myself.htm
>
>"Hello, my name is Ian Shillington, and here is a little bit about myself:
>I'm an herbalist who has an organization which manufactures herbal
I wonder what became of his "limousine service".
But the absolute best is his success story. It is even dumber than the
one from Miss Holland:
Scientology has given me the gift of me. I know who
I am, what I am and where I'm going.
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Rebecca Hartong
Rod Keller wrote in message <6n7tn1$5...@netaxs.com>...
>Has this been posted before? From
>http://www.our-home.org/ianshillington/myself.htm
>
>"Hello, my name is Ian Shillington, and here is a little bit about myself:
>I'm an herbalist who has an organization which manufactures herbal
>remedies. The name of the company is Organic Solutions and our herbal
>remedies and programs have been known to handle such things as cancer,
>heart disease, diabetes, and intestinal disorders."
Isn't making this sort of unsubstantiated claim illegal in the US?
NoScieno
>
Hmm, nothing about his recent achievment of "Hubbard Qualified
Scientologist" a few months ago. Wonder why...
In fact, this page has very little "personalization" pasted onto it; less
than most others. Not even a picture. Why do they hide so?
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Peter Harding
On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Ted wrote:
> >"Hello, my name is Ian Shillington, and here is a little bit about myself:
> Gosh! He's a $cientologist *and* an herbalist *and* a doctor!? How
> many "practices" can he mix at one?
Well, that's peanuts to Ron! Of course, he was "fully professional in
twenty-nine fields!"
Bwahahahahaha
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"Rebecca Hartong" <har...@erols.com> wrote on Mon, Jun 29, 1998 13:58 in
Message-id: <6n8kq7$r...@enews2.newsguy.com>
<<Rod Keller wrote in message <6n7tn1$5...@netaxs.com>...
>Has this been posted before? From
>http://www.our-home.org/ianshillington/myself.htm
>
>"Hello, my name is Ian Shillington, and here is a little bit about myself:
>I'm an herbalist who has an organization which manufactures herbal
>remedies. The name of the company is Organic Solutions and our herbal
>remedies and programs have been known to handle such things as cancer,
>heart disease, diabetes, and intestinal disorders."
Isn't making this sort of unsubstantiated claim illegal in the US?>>
No it's not. notice that he does not say "cure", but says "handles" instead.
Under the recent congressional actions regarding the herb & supplement health
products, labeling and claims are very much wide open now. Prior to this
action, Ian's claims would have cost him dearly if reported to the Food & Drug
Administration (US FDA). Feel free to report this to the FDA and let them
intrepret his words against the law. However, I seriously doubt anything would
be done to discipline him for these claims. This is not very different than the
claims for and labeling of St. John's Wort (Rx herb for depression in Europe)
sold over the counter at health food stores in the US.
As for Ian's recent accomplishment-completing the HQS-this makes me suspect
that after all these years w/ little or no tech training, he's about to begin
preparations to do Solo-OTIII (Wall of fire). The HQS' minimal auditor training
is also one of the minimum accceptable tech training to proceed into the OT
levels.
BTW, I looked in the big books of board certified US doctors (MDs and ODs).
Shillington is not listed.
Nuke
p/m
ska...@postoffice.pacbell.net
Rod Keller wrote:
> Has this been posted before? From
> http://www.our-home.org/ianshillington/myself.htm
>
> "Hello, my name is Ian Shillington, and here is a little bit about myself:
> I'm an herbalist who has an organization which manufactures herbal
> remedies. The name of the company is Organic Solutions and our herbal
> remedies and programs have been known to handle such things as cancer,
> heart disease, diabetes, and intestinal disorders."
Ian Shillington's office is at 512 Cleveland Street, #190, Clearwater, FL.
33755 (813-461-0292). It's in the same block as Scientology's Bank of
Clearwater property. According to the AMA manual on currently licensed
physicians in the U.S., Shillingtton is not a MD. Usually, herbologists have
a Naturopathic Physician or Chiropractic classification.
Garry Scarff
>
>
ska...@postoffice.pacbell.net
Rod Keller wrote:
> roger gonnet (dictio...@hol.fr) wrote:
> : Rod Keller wrote:
> : > "Hello, my name is Ian Shillington, and here is a little bit about myself:
> : > I'm an herbalist who has an organization which manufactures herbal
> : > remedies. The name of the company is Organic Solutions and our herbal
> : > remedies and programs have been known to handle such things as cancer,
> : > heart disease, diabetes, and intestinal disorders."
> :
> : This is medical fraud. I've sent him a message that i'll sue
> : him before AMA for medical fraud.
> :
> : Could someone give some publicity to this to AMA boys?
> :
> : This "MD" does not deserve any confidence from his patients.
>
> I added the "M.D.", it's not from Ian's page. But I do think that
> herbalists should refrain from claiming they can "handle" such diseases.
> Does he say he can cure cancer, or does he say only that he can handle
> such things as cancer? Is there a difference?
Absolutely. It's called marketing, Rod, and it's in the language of such claims
that so many scams are able to exist under the noses of fraud enforcement in this
country. How many restaurants do you know makes claim to having the World's Best
Coffee, Best Steak, Best Chili, etc?
ska...@postoffice.pacbell.net
Deana Holmes wrote:
> On 29 Jun 1998 11:27:29 GMT, rke...@netaxs.com (Rod Keller) wrote:
>
> >Has this been posted before? From
> >http://www.our-home.org/ianshillington/myself.htm
> >
> >"Hello, my name is Ian Shillington, and here is a little bit about myself:
> >I'm an herbalist who has an organization which manufactures herbal
> >remedies. The name of the company is Organic Solutions and our herbal
> >remedies and programs have been known to handle such things as cancer,
> >heart disease, diabetes, and intestinal disorders."
>
> Is he actually a doctor? Nothing in this indicates a MD, but rather
> alternative medicine.
>
Ian is not an MD. His office is at 512 Cleveland Street; #190, Clearwater,
33755. His phone# 813-461-0292. There is no MD office or clinic listed at
that building which has several other tenants. It's in the same block as
Scientology's Bank of Clearwater Bldng.
Garry
Warrior
In article <6n8cs4$o...@netaxs.com>, rke...@netaxs.com says...
>
>I added the "M.D.", it's not from Ian's page. But I do think that
>herbalists should refrain from claiming they can "handle" such diseases.
>Does he say he can cure cancer, or does he say only that he can handle
>such things as cancer? Is there a difference?
There is no difference.
Let me first say that I realize you are asking a question regarding
the use of "handle" in the context of herbal cures. I agree that one
should refrain from such claims. In my opinion, it is wrong to make
such an absolute claim; I believe it gives individuals a false hope
and unrealistic expectation. Even more importantly, it often results
in an individual wasting valuable time on a useless and unproven
"therapy", when time may be a critical concern. And my understanding
is that it is important to act swiftly when a cancer is diagnosed.
In Scientology, use of the word "handle" in the context of diseases
and illnesses, means "to cure", as in "to address and solve the cause of
a malady". In plain English, use of the word "handle" means "to dispose
of; to deal with; to treat; to solve". "Cure" means "to get rid of;
to restore to health; to remedy".
Insofar as Hubbard wrote that perhaps 70% of diseases were psycho-
somatic in origin (including cancer), the belief held by Hubbard and
Scientologists is that auditing "handles" (cures) illnesses.
Nevertheless, one seldom hears Scientologists claim that auditing
_cures_ diseases. Instead, the standard term usually used is "handle",
but it means the same thing. If one studies Hubbard's HCO Bulletins,
it will be found that he was careful (for the most part) to avoid using
the term "cure". But there are many exceptions to this, not necessarily
in the HCOBs, but in other books such as _DMSMH_. In practice, use of the
term "handle" does mean "to cure", since Hubbard teaches that auditing
addresses the cause of illnesses and diseases, and thereby causes them to
vanish. I say this out of my own understanding of the subject of Dianetics
and Scientology, as well as out of my *experience*. My own wife, Victoria,
now deceased, was told that "NOTs" would "handle" her diabetes! (Incidentally,
I noticed that one of the Scientologists who told her that (an "FSM" named
Carrie Alkins) now has a "Scientologists On-Line" page.
I have no idea what Ian Shillington bases his claim upon, but I
would hazard a guess that he believes cancer can be eliminated through
a nutritional approach, i.e., taking herbs.
Hubbard defined "handle" in HCOB 15 January 1970 Issue II "Handling
With Auditing" as: [to] "finish off, complete, end cycle on. Service and
handling are the same thing. When you give service, you handle. Part of
handling cases is handle N-O-W! One way or another, one gets the preclear
handled."
In HCO PL 4 May 1968 "Handling Situations", Hubbard wrote that
"handle it" means "finish it off so that is the end of it". In Flag Order
3195 of 3 July 1972, written by Hubbard, he says "Anything fully handled
needs no further care or attention from anyone."
I thought you may be interested in some Hubbard definitions of "sickness",
so I will give them here. He opined that sickness is:
"the result of engram chains in restimulation" - ref: HCOB 16 August
1969 "Handling Illness In Scientology"
"is a covert effort to die" - ref: Saint Hill Special Briefing Course
Tape 40, 6108C16 "Unknown - Cyclic Aspects of Goals"
"invalidation of a terminal" - ref: Saint Hill Special Briefing Course
Tape 46, 6108C29 "Basics of Auditing"
Warrior
See http://www.xenu.net and http://www.entheta.net
David VanHorn
>"Our numbers grow larger every year. In Dunedin, Clearwater and Largo
>alone there are over 4,000 Scientologists. This number grows by the
>hundreds each year, and I'd like to point out that we are an electorate
>that does vote.
Political activity from a 503(c) non-profit????
Mark Dallara
til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) wrote:
>In <6n7tn1$5...@netaxs.com>, rke...@netaxs.com (Rod Keller) wrote:
>
>>Has this been posted before? From
>>http://www.our-home.org/ianshillington/myself.htm
>>
>>"Hello, my name is Ian Shillington, and here is a little bit about myself:
>>I'm an herbalist who has an organization which manufactures herbal
>
>I wonder what became of his "limousine service".
Good question! Tilman obviously remembers the letter that The Shill wrote
to the SP Times, and forwarded to the Clearwater city commission:
***REPOST:
Subject: $cn letters to Clw: Ian the Shill
From: mdal...@kcii.com (Mark Dallara)Date: 1998/01/03
Message-ID: <34b57b1b...@news.eskimo.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.scientology,fl.general,fl.politics,alt.scientology.scam.scam.scam
*snip*
[BEGIN QUOTE]
"Dear Commissioner [Karen] Seel,
"Attached is a letter I sent to the Editor of the SP Times. It seems that
bigotry and hate are alive and well in Clearwater. Please help to stop
it. Thank you.
"Sincerely,
Ian Shillington
CEO Quality Limousine"
"Letter to the Editor SP Times 12/9/97
"Dear Sir,
"It never ceases to amaze me how bigoted a person, a group of people, or
an organization can be. I am astounded over the recent garbage your paper
has been printing about my church, the Church of Scientology. The
articles are full of innuendo, bias, and downright false and misleading
statements. This endless tirade of harassment is getting stale and I have
heard from several of my non Scientology friends who state they are
getting sick of it as well.
"Many of these friends as well as the business community down town are
very well aware of our continuing contributions to the community in the
form of:
1. Beautification of Down Town.
2. The opening of the Pinellas Trail.
3. Winter Wonderland.
4. Foster Children's Christmas Party.Etc.
"In 1993 an appellate court, the 11th Circuit Court handed down a decision
clearly denouncing this twenty year effort on the part of Rita Garvey, Sid
Klein and a few other city officials for violating the rights of
Scientologists. The court further stated that these attacks were
discriminatory, and an assault on our constitutional rights. It is
obvious that today they are still operating from the same viewpoint, and
so is your paper. I am outraged by your paper's support of these bigots
and of your efforts to keep the pot stirred up. Your editorials remind me
of the hate propaganda so fondly used by Hitler and his regime to
discredit the Jews, the Blacks, and many others.
"Get this straight! We are here to stay! We will never give up. Never!
Never! Never!
"Our numbers grow larger every year. In Dunedin, Clearwater and Largo
alone there are over 4,000 Scientologists. This number grows by the
hundreds each year, and I'd like to point out that we are an electorate
that does vote.
"It is not too late for you to get your act together and stop this media
persecution of my faith.
"Sincerely,
Ian Shillington Stop the Lies! ! !
CEO Quality Limousine Co. ---- --- ----- - -"
[END QUOTE]
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roger gonnet
> : > I'm an herbalist who has an organization which manufactures herbal
> : > remedies and programs have been known to handle such things as cancer,
> : > heart disease, diabetes, and intestinal disorders."
> : This is medical fraud. I've sent him a message that i'll sue
> : him before AMA for medical fraud.
> :
> : Could someone give some publicity to this to AMA boys?
> :
> : This "MD" does not deserve any confidence from his patients.
>
> herbalists should refrain from claiming they can "handle" such diseases.
> Does he say he can cure cancer, or does he say only that he can handle
> such things as cancer? Is there a difference?
The difference would not make difference in France; i don't
know what legal people have invented in US...
Roger
Wulfen
On 29 Jun 1998 18:24:37 -0700, Warrior <war...@entheta.net> wrote:
(HUGE SNIP)
> I thought you may be interested in some Hubbard definitions of "sickness",
>so I will give them here. He opined that sickness is:
>
> "the result of engram chains in restimulation" - ref: HCOB 16 August
> 1969 "Handling Illness In Scientology"
>
> "is a covert effort to die" - ref: Saint Hill Special Briefing Course
> Tape 40, 6108C16 "Unknown - Cyclic Aspects of Goals"
Does this mean that Hubbard thought that a person's illness was an
attempt on the part of that person to die? (And, this being
Scientology, be reincarnated?)
> "invalidation of a terminal" - ref: Saint Hill Special Briefing Course
> Tape 46, 6108C29 "Basics of Auditing"
>
>Warrior
>See http://www.xenu.net and http://www.entheta.net
----------------------------------------------------------------
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-- http://www.total.net/~wulfen/scn --
"Science is a method, not an ideology."
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Realpch
>Rod Keller / rke...@voicenet.com / Irresponsible Publisher
>Black Hat #1 / Expert of the Toilet / CWPD Mouthpiece
>The Lerma Apologist / Merchant of Chaos / Vision of Destruction
>Killer Rod / OSA Patsy / Quasi-Scieno / Mental Bully
rod i hadn't noticed your wonderful signature before. it is quite impressive!
pch
roger gonnet
Wulfen wrote:
>
> On 29 Jun 1998 18:24:37 -0700, Warrior <war...@entheta.net> wrote:
>
> (HUGE SNIP)
>
> > I thought you may be interested in some Hubbard definitions of "sickness",
> >so I will give them here. He opined that sickness is:
> >
> > "the result of engram chains in restimulation" - ref: HCOB 16 August
> > 1969 "Handling Illness In Scientology"
> >
> > "is a covert effort to die" - ref: Saint Hill Special Briefing Course
> > Tape 40, 6108C16 "Unknown - Cyclic Aspects of Goals"
>
> Does this mean that Hubbard thought that a person's illness was an
> attempt on the part of that person to die? (And, this being
> Scientology, be reincarnated?)
Yes, it is.
He also asserted somewhere that sex urge was based on death
urge as well, the person wanting to make bodies before
losing his own.
Roger
Rod Keller
Realpch (rea...@aol.com) wrote:
: >Rod Keller / rke...@voicenet.com / Irresponsible Publisher
All are names I have been called on this newsgroup. I'm particularly proud
of Irresponsible Publisher, as it comes from David Mayo. I suppose I
should keep track of the others, but the Stu Sjouwermans and David
Bonnells of the world fade from memory eventually.
--
Chris Owen
In article <35987be...@news.total.net>, Wulfen
<Wul...@SPAMOFF.Total.net> writes
>On 29 Jun 1998 18:24:37 -0700, Warrior <war...@entheta.net> wrote:
>
>(HUGE SNIP)
>
>> I thought you may be interested in some Hubbard definitions of "sickness",
>>so I will give them here. He opined that sickness is:
>>
>> "the result of engram chains in restimulation" - ref: HCOB 16 August
>> 1969 "Handling Illness In Scientology"
>>
>> "is a covert effort to die" - ref: Saint Hill Special Briefing Course
>> Tape 40, 6108C16 "Unknown - Cyclic Aspects of Goals"
>
>Does this mean that Hubbard thought that a person's illness was an
>attempt on the part of that person to die? (And, this being
>Scientology, be reincarnated?)
Yes.
I've posted before how it's likely that Scientology believes that Lisa
McPherson, as a fully "at cause" Scientologist, deliberately chose to
die. That could explain in part why they're so reluctant to accept any
responsibility for her death.
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Steve A
On 29 Jun 1998 21:30:21 GMT, nukew...@aol.com (NUKEWASTER) wrote:
> be done to discipline him for these claims. This is not very different than the
> claims for and labeling of St. John's Wort (Rx herb for depression in Europe)
> sold over the counter at health food stores in the US.
I can't speak for Europe as a whole, but I am unaware of St. John's
Wort (which I believe contains some form of naturally-produced MAOI)
being available on prescription here in the UK.
It is, however, being sold in health food shops (so not on
prescription) as capsules, as at about a week ago. I had not noticed
it prior to that, but I do not generally frequent health-food shops
regularly.
--
Practicing medicine without a licence? You decide:
"Step Four - Cures for Illness
You will now find BTs and clusters being cures for illnesses
of the body part. Handle all such BTs and clusters by blowing
them off. "Cures for Illness" will then cease to read.
[NOTS 34, Fair Use excerpt]
Steve A, SP4, GGBC, KBM, Unsalvageable PTS/SP #12.
<SARCASM>I am a Scientologist</SARCASM>
clei...@bc.cc.ca.us
Steve A wrote:
> On 29 Jun 1998 21:30:21 GMT, nukew...@aol.com (NUKEWASTER) wrote:
>
> > be done to discipline him for these claims. This is not very different than the
> > claims for and labeling of St. John's Wort (Rx herb for depression in Europe)
> > sold over the counter at health food stores in the US.
>
> I can't speak for Europe as a whole, but I am unaware of St. John's
> Wort (which I believe contains some form of naturally-produced MAOI)
> being available on prescription here in the UK.
>
> It is, however, being sold in health food shops (so not on
> prescription) as capsules, as at about a week ago. I had not noticed
> it prior to that, but I do not generally frequent health-food shops
> regularly.
>
> --
Actually, I believe that the MAOI theory (supported by one researcher) has been
discarded in favor of a synergistic effect between the very weak MAOI and an
SSRI-like effect. Ordinarily the two are not combined in artificial antidepressants
due to the possibility of hypertensive crisis..
Since I happen to have a bottle handy (for doping the office water-cooler when I run
out of Prozac) I note the directions on the label read "As a dietary supplement, take
1 tablet daily with a meal. For maximum benefits, take in conjunction with a healthy
lifestyle and dietary plan."
"Research from Europe [I've seen some of that, actual double-blind studies and
everything, imagine that] indicates that Hypericin...St John's Wort active principle
constituent...plays a role in mood enhancement and maintainging a healthy, positive
mental outlook." No mention of "handling" any medical conditions, and in fact it
says "This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent disease."
Very big in Germany, I understa...say, wait a minute...now it all becomes clear:
Keep out the $cientologists who are actually trying to help people (and at only
$300,000US) and hook everyone on a product made from a weed that grows naturally.
Why, those mercenary bastards!
NoScieno
In article <rkmDkUAB...@lutefisk.demon.co.uk>,
chr...@lutefisk.demon.co.uk says...
> >> "is a covert effort to die" - ref: Saint Hill Special Briefing Course
> >> Tape 40, 6108C16 "Unknown - Cyclic Aspects of Goals"
> >
> >Does this mean that Hubbard thought that a person's illness was an
> >attempt on the part of that person to die? (And, this being
> >Scientology, be reincarnated?)
>
> Yes.
>
> I've posted before how it's likely that Scientology believes that Lisa
> McPherson, as a fully "at cause" Scientologist, deliberately chose to
> die. That could explain in part why they're so reluctant to accept any
> responsibility for her death.
Friggin' marvelous, ain't it? "Being reasonable" is suppressive, and
rationalizing your head off is being "on Source." Blow the Intro RD and
we'll hunt you down and drag you back. We'd rather have you dead than
incapable.... What?!? you're dead? Loser. Failure. Suppressive.
"Our people were helping her in every possible way,
and if you look at those notes you will see very
clearly that those people were heroes -- *they*
were taking abuse, *they* were being attacked
and so forth -- they *loved* her. And the
people who are saying these things
HATED HER GUTS ...."
--- Heber Stench on CBS _Public Eye_
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In article <3597B251...@hol.fr>, roger gonnet writes:
>> "Hello, my name is Ian Shillington, and here is a little bit about myself:
>> I'm an herbalist who has an organization which manufactures herbal
>> remedies. The name of the company is Organic Solutions and our herbal
>> remedies and programs have been known to handle such things as cancer,
>> heart disease, diabetes, and intestinal disorders."
>
>This is medical fraud. I've sent him a message that i'll sue
>him before AMA for medical fraud.
"have been known to........."
Does this mean that, to prove he is not making unlawful false
claims, he must provide at least one case history where it
has "handled" each ailment listed?
In article <6n8kq7$r...@enews2.newsguy.com>, Rebecca Hartong writes:
>Isn't making this sort of unsubstantiated claim illegal in the US?
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ste...@castlsys.demon.co.uk (Steve A) wrote on Wed, Jul 1, 1998 03:05 in
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<<On 29 Jun 1998 21:30:21 GMT, nukew...@aol.com (NUKEWASTER) wrote:
> be done to discipline him for these claims. This is not very different than
the
> claims for and labeling of St. John's Wort (Rx herb for depression in Europe)
> sold over the counter at health food stores in the US.
I can't speak for Europe as a whole, but I am unaware of St. John's
Wort (which I believe contains some form of naturally-produced MAOI)
being available on prescription here in the UK.
It is, however, being sold in health food shops (so not on
prescription) as capsules, as at about a week ago. I had not noticed
it prior to that, but I do not generally frequent health-food shops
regularly.>>
Thanks for the information re: the UK, Steve A. Let me correct my
generalization--St. Johns Wort in standardized form is available only by a
doctor's prescription in Germany.
You surely know how "degraded beings always generalize" -"They" said" "everyone
knows" and all those other scientological dead giveaways to our
suppressiveness. Hehehe, I must have been feeling more suppressive than usual
when I wrote that original reply post.
Meanwhile, the main thrust remains the same...Shillington can be reported to
the US FDA, but under current US labeling laws for "supplements", he is likely
just on the legal edge of permissible claims.
Nuke
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