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Tommy

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Garry Scarff wrote:
>
> Rev. Jerry Falwell's reputed histrionics for the completely idiotic
> takes reign over the shenanigans of the Scientology cult, in calling for
> the death of the purple Tele-Tubby that Falwell claims is gay. (Funny,
> I have yet to see an episode of the Tele-Tubbies where they were engaged
> in a sexual orgy).

I dunno - that windmill sprays an aresol on them and after inhaling it,
they start dancing wildly, then fall to the ground and hallucinate..This
is obviously a subliminal approval of drug abuse.


>
> Does this mean that Barney, too, is a flaming queen?


Well, not exactly *flaming*...

Falwell was just on the Today show doing his backpedaling "I didn't
say that, my newspaper did, and anyway they were just quoting the
Times". He was trotting out the same exact script as last night, except
that when he got to the line "I haven't even seen Teletubbies, and I
doubt if you have either.." Katie Kouric cut him off with an acid "Yes
I have." He lurched to a stop - reminded me of a $cieno who just hit a
situation not covered in their script. After the gears in his head
ground for a moment, instead of acknowledging that he was talking to
someone who actually knew something about the subject, he just ground on
with his rehearsed lines.
Then they brought on the President of Itsy-Bitsy Entertainment, who
was having an ashma attack "over this nonsense". It got pretty nasty
from there........Falwell looks like he hadn't slept a wink, but still
managed to plug his website four times. I doubt he'll want to read the
email to it for the next week or so.
I was wondering why Katie didn't wonder out loud how little he
seemed to be able to control his own business's output (He used the same
arguments when confronted about a libelous videotape his "ministry"
sold - 'the clinton chronicles' - which alleged that Prez was involved
in cocaine trafficking and that he had Vince Foster murdered).

Tommy

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Dreamweasel

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>Does this mean that Barney, too, is a flaming queen?


Yes. And he promotes evolution.

:)

Dw

(apologies to LSwDL)

Dreamweasel

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>In article <36bb5...@news.netdirect.net.uk>, "Simon"
><si...@czech.ndirect.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Angelo Zgorelec wrote in message <79fj2b$lee$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>...
>> >>
>> >>Simon wrote in message <36ba0...@news.netdirect.net.uk>...
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>>>
>> >>>Should be committed more like.
>> >>
>> >>This is nice! Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> By all means answer me in the news group, just do not e-mail me EVER
>> >>
>> >> Note to abuse at global, I have now formally asked this person not to
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>> >> and you as their ISP could be held liable in aiding this harassment.
>> >
>> >> Simon
>> >
>> >I am shocked. The other day I entered into a discussion on this
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>> >and a person called Simon posted an insulting message to me, as above.
As I
>> >normally do not reply in the same vain, I just thanked him.
>>
>> On the goup and also to e-mail why?
>> >
>> >Today I received a totally unexpected e-mail and I feel it is
undeserved.
>> >Could somebody kindly explain to me what I was doing wrong?
>> >
>> >Angelo
>> >
>> >
>> Angelo
>>
>> I have you home phone number, does that give me the right to ring you for
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me
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>> Learn a little netiquet, rule 466/1/4 never repost e-mail onto a news
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>> Simon
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>A little bit dramatic and a wee bit of an over reaction, IMHO. Of course
>it's only MHO, but I'd say the over reaction was the larger offense,
>although escalation seems to be the order of the day in this thread. At
>least until my reasonable post. ;-) Let's keep punishment in line with
>offense when we play judge and jury, and let's play nice.
>

Over reaction? I simply asked this person not to contact me by e-mail
again. I posted that item to him and his ISP. The reson for posting to the
ISP was simple. I know of Angelo and his racist ways from
soc.culture.croatia. I therefore do not wish to get post from him. I also
know that unless I report him to his ISP he will be a right royal pain in
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Dreamweasel

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Shy David

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On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:55:43 -0800, Garry Scarff
<gar...@postoffice.pacbell.net> wrote:

>Rev. Jerry Falwell's reputed histrionics for the completely idiotic
>takes reign over the shenanigans of the Scientology cult, in calling for
>the death of the purple Tele-Tubby that Falwell claims is gay. (Funny,
>I have yet to see an episode of the Tele-Tubbies where they were engaged
>in a sexual orgy).

This morning I read a newspaper article about this absurdity---- Reuters
if I recall correctly. I am very happy that Falwell and his Satanic friends
act like that.

Another insane asshole is Marion "Pat" Robertson. He claims that "Tornados
following Clinton around." Robertson claims to believe that his god is
"punishing America" for Clinton's "crimes" by sending tornados.

>Does this mean that Barney, too, is a flaming queen?

Why, yes. :-)
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Unknown

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Yep! Falwell has definately made it over the proverbial edge.
Truly nuts but, comparing him to DM seems strange. After all DM is a
cadaver and Falwell is still kicking and screaming.

roxthefox1
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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:47:32 -0600, Tommy <Tommy_sp...@xs.net>
wrote:

>Garry Scarff wrote:
>>
>> Rev. Jerry Falwell's reputed histrionics for the completely idiotic
>> takes reign over the shenanigans of the Scientology cult, in calling for
>> the death of the purple Tele-Tubby that Falwell claims is gay. (Funny,
>> I have yet to see an episode of the Tele-Tubbies where they were engaged
>> in a sexual orgy).
>

>I dunno - that windmill sprays an aresol on them and after inhaling it,
>they start dancing wildly, then fall to the ground and hallucinate..This
>is obviously a subliminal approval of drug abuse.
>
>
>>

>> Does this mean that Barney, too, is a flaming queen?
>
>

>Well, not exactly *flaming*...
>
> Falwell was just on the Today show doing his backpedaling "I didn't
>say that, my newspaper did, and anyway they were just quoting the
>Times". He was trotting out the same exact script as last night, except
>that when he got to the line "I haven't even seen Teletubbies, and I
>doubt if you have either.." Katie Kouric cut him off with an acid "Yes
>I have." He lurched to a stop - reminded me of a $cieno who just hit a
>situation not covered in their script. After the gears in his head
>ground for a moment, instead of acknowledging that he was talking to
>someone who actually knew something about the subject, he just ground on
>with his rehearsed lines.
> Then they brought on the President of Itsy-Bitsy Entertainment, who
>was having an ashma attack "over this nonsense". It got pretty nasty
>from there........Falwell looks like he hadn't slept a wink, but still
>managed to plug his website four times. I doubt he'll want to read the
>email to it for the next week or so.
> I was wondering why Katie didn't wonder out loud how little he
>seemed to be able to control his own business's output (He used the same
>arguments when confronted about a libelous videotape his "ministry"
>sold - 'the clinton chronicles' - which alleged that Prez was involved
>in cocaine trafficking and that he had Vince Foster murdered).
>
> Tommy

When the chips are down the buffalo move on.

aluminumb

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>> Anon Guy wrote:
>> > Falwell Calls 'Teletubby' Gay

is this what the moment of zen was on the daily show, it showd one of those
things tickling the others ass with a feather on a stick while it was bent
over, and when the thing felt the feather it just stayed still and laughed.


I swear I saw this as true.

Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster

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Roxthefox1 wrote in article <36c328e7...@news.newsguy.com>...

> Yep! Falwell has definately made it over the proverbial edge.
> Truly nuts but, comparing him to DM seems strange. After all DM is a
> cadaver and Falwell is still kicking and screaming.

Hey! I thought R2-45 was only to exteriorize SPs, quietly, and without
sorrow. Isn't that from Hubbard's Secret Sacred Scripture?

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Chris Owen

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In article <36C2DF...@xs.net>, Tommy <Tommy_sp...@xs.net>
writes

>Garry Scarff wrote:
>>
>> Rev. Jerry Falwell's reputed histrionics for the completely idiotic
>> takes reign over the shenanigans of the Scientology cult, in calling for
>> the death of the purple Tele-Tubby that Falwell claims is gay. (Funny,
>> I have yet to see an episode of the Tele-Tubbies where they were engaged
>> in a sexual orgy).
>
>I dunno - that windmill sprays an aresol on them and after inhaling it,
>they start dancing wildly, then fall to the ground and hallucinate..This
>is obviously a subliminal approval of drug abuse.

There's a Teletubby episode where a giant letter "e" drops out of the
sky and hits a Teletubby on the head. Wonder what this refers to?

Then again, British childrens' programs have *always* been distinctly
strange - anyone remember The Magic Roundabout or Chorlton And The
Wheelies?

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Alan Barclay

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In article <UEE3zDAc...@lutefisk.demon.co.uk>,

Chris Owen <chr...@lutefisk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Then again, British childrens' programs have *always* been distinctly
>strange - anyone remember The Magic Roundabout or Chorlton And The
>Wheelies?

To be fair, Magic Roundabout was a French production, with only the vocals
added by the BBC.

Chorlton and the Wheelies we can't blame on anyone else :-)

Rebecca Hartong

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Tommy wrote in message <36C2DF...@xs.net>...

[re Tinky Winky being a gay icon-- it's because of his big red purse, not
because he's purple!]

> Then they brought on the President of Itsy-Bitsy Entertainment, who
>was having an ashma attack "over this nonsense". It got pretty nasty
>from there........

It *is* nonsense. There are many perfectly valid reasons for criticizing
TeleTubbies-- and none of them have anything to do with the "sexuality" of a
large, purple felt alien with an antenna on top of "his" head who has no
discernable primary or secondary sex traits whatsoever. For example:
Teletubbies was designed for children as young as one year old. How healthy
is it for parents to prop their infants in front of the television as though
this show were a replacement for (or even a meaningful addition to) actual
human-to-human contact? Teletubbies speak in a mangled sort of "baby-talk."
Is hearing this sort of thing on a regular basis damaging to the language
development of young children? And then there's the hugely profitable
product spin-off from the show. Are parents giving serious consideration to
the idea of instilling "brand recognition" in their infants?

I could go on and on. I'll spare you. ;-)

Unknown

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Wow! I get it now. This is a new improved implant station, right?

What'll they think of next.

Could this be the result of Hubbards latest research. Let's ask Koos.

Koos, are you there?

roxy
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Hartley Patterson

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Feb 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/12/99
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Alan Barclay wrote:

> To be fair, Magic Roundabout was a French production, with only the vocals
> added by the BBC.

Wierder than that. Magic Roundabout was indeed made in France, and
originally shown on French TV with of course a French script. Eric
Thompson (sic?) who didn't speak a word of French made up his own script
to read based on the characters' actions.

But then the puns in the Asterix comics are a lot funnier in English
than they are in French.

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Enzo Piccone

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Chris Owen wrote:

> In article <36C2DF...@xs.net>, Tommy <Tommy_sp...@xs.net>
> writes
> >Garry Scarff wrote:
> >>
> >> Rev. Jerry Falwell's reputed histrionics for the completely idiotic
> >> takes reign over the shenanigans of the Scientology cult, in calling for
> >> the death of the purple Tele-Tubby that Falwell claims is gay. (Funny,
> >> I have yet to see an episode of the Tele-Tubbies where they were engaged
> >> in a sexual orgy).
> >
> >I dunno - that windmill sprays an aresol on them and after inhaling it,
> >they start dancing wildly, then fall to the ground and hallucinate..This
> >is obviously a subliminal approval of drug abuse.
>
> There's a Teletubby episode where a giant letter "e" drops out of the
> sky and hits a Teletubby on the head. Wonder what this refers to?

If it's an Italian ~e~, it could have been any one of mine.

> Then again, British childrens' programs have *always* been distinctly
> strange - anyone remember The Magic Roundabout or Chorlton And The
> Wheelies?

Or Bill and Ben, The Flowerpot Men?

E
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Dave Bird

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In article <79vkbd$e...@enews2.newsguy.com>, Rebecca Hartong
<har...@erols.com> writes

>
>Tommy wrote in message <36C2DF...@xs.net>...
>
>[re Tinky Winky being a gay icon-- it's because of his big red purse, not
>because he's purple!]
>
>> Then they brought on the President of Itsy-Bitsy Entertainment, who
>>was having an ashma attack "over this nonsense". It got pretty nasty
>>from there........
>
>It *is* nonsense. There are many perfectly valid reasons for criticizing
>TeleTubbies-- and none of them have anything to do with the "sexuality" of a
>large, purple felt alien with an antenna on top of "his" head who has no
>discernable primary or secondary sex traits whatsoever. For example:
>Teletubbies was designed for children as young as one year old.

Sheesh, you think this should replace the Jihad to Exterminate Barney
the Purple Dinosaur as the next big thing?

I don't see much wrong with Tellytubbies: it is a babyish program
accurately aimed at very young toddlers. "Barney" is appalling because
it aims at 7--10 year olds and tries to infantilise them into babyish
conformist behaviour (versus something like Sesame Street which is
really good at showing how to face real problems and resolve them).


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David Brower

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> Sheesh, you think this should replace the Jihad to Exterminate Barney
> the Purple Dinosaur as the next big thing?

> I don't see much wrong with Tellytubbies: it is a babyish program
> accurately aimed at very young toddlers. "Barney" is appalling because
> it aims at 7--10 year olds and tries to infantilise them into babyish
> conformist behaviour (versus something like Sesame Street which is
> really good at showing how to face real problems and resolve them).

Geez, I have lived through Barney, five generations of Power Rangers,
Beetleborgs, Teletubbies, etc., etc., with 3, 5, 7, and 10 year old
kids. One thing that I am quite certain about is that Barney is
targeted at 3-6 year olds, and the charm is wearing pretty thin at 5.
The 7 and 10 year olds *despise* Barney, probably more than adults do.

We all love the Teletubbies, though. Guess we're not Falwell Folk.

As someone told me the other day:

"It's clear that the purple Teletubby is queer and that the red one is
Communist. I'm not so sure about the green and yellow ones, but I think:

o The green one is some kind of spotted-owl-kissing tree-hugger.

o The yellow one is a Vietnam-era draft dodger."

There you have it,

-dB

Jamie

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Agreed, Garry.

The thing that I find interesting is how Jerry Falwall's little college
thing is called "Liberty University."

Let me set up an impossible scenario, just for the hell of it. Imagine if
some fascist Congressman (and I don't think there's anyone in the US
Congress that truly fits that description... but we're close on a few of
them) managed to push a law through that effectively ended the First
Amendment right to Freedom of Religion, such that all non-Judeo-Christians
were to be forcibly converted to Southern Baptism or something like that.
What would Jerry Falwell and/or Pat Robertson say about it? I can't help
but think that they'd both be mysteriouly silent, despite all of their
professed concern about Freedom of Religion. I don't think they'd raise a
cry if Muslim churches were being demolished to make way for Christian
bookstores, or if Hindu temples were being levelled to provide extra
parking for the J Falwell Heterosexuality Re-education Centers.

I believe that the names "Liberty University" and "Freedom Village" (or
whatever the hell Robertson's thing is) are kind of sick jokes. Kind of
like that thing the Nazis put above the gates of the concentration camps
that translates to "work brings freedom." Freedom and Liberty are the exact
opposite of Falwell & Robertson are interested in, which is obvious to
anyone who's ever paid any attention to what either one of them has ever
said or written.

Okay, that's enough out of me.

Garry Scarff wrote:

> Rev. Jerry Falwell's reputed histrionics for the completely idiotic
> takes reign over the shenanigans of the Scientology cult, in calling for
> the death of the purple Tele-Tubby that Falwell claims is gay. (Funny,
> I have yet to see an episode of the Tele-Tubbies where they were engaged
> in a sexual orgy).
>

Jamie

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In article <a9Xw2.1459$Pv5....@newse1.midsouth.rr.com>, "beth thomas"
<epth...@midsouth.rr.com> writes:

>
>I too hated to hear about what happened, but I will admit to LOVING the
>Italian Tomato Sauce and the Foccacia in the "Frugal Gourmet Cook Three
>Ancient Cuisines". I make these all the time and usually get requests for
>the recipes...
>Still gives me the willies to look at his face on the cover, though. I
>mean, he had ELMO on his show, for Pete's sake!
>Beth
>

and what IS your point, Beth? you care to share some facts about the Frug that
the rest of us are not privy to?
Alan

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people, you might better stay home."
--James Michener

Remove "FinnFan" to send mail.

Jamie

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Chris Owen

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In article <91877152...@elaine.drink.com>, Alan Barclay
<gor...@elaine.drink.com> writes
>>Then again, British childrens' programs have *always* been distinctly
>>strange - anyone remember The Magic Roundabout or Chorlton And The
>>Wheelies?
>
>To be fair, Magic Roundabout was a French production, with only the vocals
>added by the BBC.

Nope, the scripts were written from scratch by the immortal Brian Cant;
I gather the original French Magic Roundabout was rather boring...

Dave Bird

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In article <Y9JktAAr...@lutefisk.demon.co.uk>, Chris Owen
<chr...@lutefisk.demon.co.uk> writes

>>>Then again, British childrens' programs have *always* been distinctly
>>>strange - anyone remember The Magic Roundabout or Chorlton And The
>>>Wheelies?
>>
>>To be fair, Magic Roundabout was a French production, with only the vocals
>>added by the BBC.
>
>Nope, the scripts were written from scratch by the immortal Brian Cant;
>I gather the original French Magic Roundabout was rather boring...

You're not really in disagreement: AFAIK, what we see in a British
Magic Roundabout episode is exactly the same sequence of pictures
as in a French episode i.e. it was not entirely remade. Then English
dialogue was added from scratch (not translated).

Nick Andrew

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>This morning I read a newspaper article about this absurdity---- Reuters
>if I recall correctly. I am very happy that Falwell and his Satanic friends
>act like that.

It has nothing on the ridiculous program of which I caught the tail
on teevee tonight .. "When Cars Attack", an American fantasy-umentory
which had people claiming that cars have emotions due to the liquids
they contain (primarily the petrol, it seems).

The claim ... cars are vindictive and will crash whenever possible.

Their "proof" for all this was to show footage of various high-speed
accidents, such as you find in motor racing (and cycle racing).

They showed some high speed boat racing accidents and observed that
in each case the driver fell off the front of the boat. They
claimed this as acceleration, the boat _pushing_ the occupant
out in front. Any moron could see that the boat itself was
decelerating and the driver, not wearing a seatbelt, was naturally
carried by momentum forward relative to the boat.

The absolutely funniest thing though, was at the end of the program
there flashed up a disclaimer screen, for not more than two seconds.
I was able to read only a portion of it, but the portion that I
read said basically that the whole program was bullshit...!

Nick.
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In article <36C49204...@usa.net>, Jamie
<jshandler.SP...@usa.net> wrote:

> Let me set up an impossible scenario, just for the hell of it. Imagine if
> some fascist Congressman (and I don't think there's anyone in the US
> Congress that truly fits that description... but we're close on a few of
> them) managed to push a law through that effectively ended the First
> Amendment right to Freedom of Religion, such that all non-Judeo-Christians
> were to be forcibly converted to Southern Baptism or something like that.

One named, say, Nehemiah Scudder?

You've just described the premise of "If This Goes On..." by Robert
Heinlein, which is about the revolution to overthrow an American religious
dictatorship. It's a novella, but is usually in print, I just can't
remember the title of the anthology.

> I believe that the names "Liberty University" and "Freedom Village" (or
> whatever the hell Robertson's thing is) are kind of sick jokes. Kind of
> like that thing the Nazis put above the gates of the concentration camps
> that translates to "work brings freedom."

"Pravda" is Russian for "Truth".

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>You've just described the premise of "If This Goes On..." by Robert
>Heinlein, which is about the revolution to overthrow an American religious
>dictatorship. It's a novella, but is usually in print, I just can't
>remember the title of the anthology.

Is this the same story as his novel "Revolt in 2100"?

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Gary

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Jamie <jshandler.SP...@usa.net> wrote in message
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>Agreed, Garry.
>
>The thing that I find interesting is how Jerry Falwall's little college
>thing is called "Liberty University."
>
>Let me set up an impossible scenario, just for the hell of it. Imagine if
>some fascist Congressman (and I don't think there's anyone in the US
>Congress that truly fits that description... but we're close on a few of
>them) managed to push a law through that effectively ended the First
>Amendment right to Freedom of Religion,
---SNIP---

Hi Jamie,
With respect to Falwell... I can say this... he may believe, and he has the
right to believe his religion is the religion of god... this is the right to
freedom of religion. He has the right to value his religion over all others,
and has the right to believe it would save souls of people who worshiped his
god. Even to the point of being a zealot.

I disagree with him on many issues, though that is my right from a similar
if not identical source as his right to his beliefs. I understand you
believe differently, and thats great too. As to claims about fascist
Congressmen... first to change the freedom of religion requires a change in
the constitution, which would require a 2/3's vote in both houses and
approval by 2/3's of state legislatures... not likely to happen on any of
the Bill of Rights.

The danger to the Bill of Rights generally doesn't come in my opinion from
the right, but from the left... many self rightgeous left people seek to
limit the right to assemble, to speak out on issues, and to enjoy generally
freedoms which used to be taken for granted by most americans.

Confining my discussion to the Teletubbies, Po used to say fadit fadit
fadit... which was Cantoneese for faster faster faster... some misheard this
as faggot faggot faggot... and complained vehemently. Po's voice has been
silenced by PBS in america regarding this utterance. With no notice by
virtually anyone.

This goes on in a broader sense in other issues in life... but those issues
are beyond the scope of Teletubbies. I would finally note, the 700 Club
documented several proclamations by various gay groups and newspapers
regarding Tinky Winky being gay. Somehow only when a religious white male
makes a statement in his low circulation newsletter and internet site
cautioning parents about Tinky Winky all heck breaks loose. Why is it that
the left seems to rally around to tear down a statement by a white male
which really is no different from many similar statements made by the left
itself?

To the extent you vest Rev. Falwell as being more important than homosexual
magazines/newspapers/columnists, I believe you do a disservice to yourself
and to the Teletubbies. Somehow what Rev. Falwell thinks is more important
than what many others have thought... and Falwells writing about it is to be
denounced... however others who have written about Tinky Winky being gay
aren't similarly denounced.

The article at www.falwell.com is very tame, and contains much less
nastiness than the newsgroups have generally attributed to it. He also seems
to have trouble with South Park... while I have found most peoples read ins
to Teletubbies fascinating... as so many seem to see what they want/fear
most in them... I find the fear of someone such as Falwell who is not main
stream Christian, and hasn't been for many years almost as odd. Does a
really over the hill marginal right wing Christian cleric really stir so
much fear and hate in you? Do you really feel good being so upset about it?
The man is nominal at best in most Christian circles. His opinions and the
opinions of many gay groups about the sexuality or meaning of the symbols
Tinky Winky wears/uses are in my opinion wrong. I believe Falwell is just as
misguided as those who read homosexuality and homosexual symbolism into
Tinky Winky.

Now can we discuss more important things... have you seen the new Teletubbie
Nursery Rhyme video? Do you think it'll rocket to the top of the charts as
the first two have?

Regards and hugs
Gary

Bernie

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On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:25:08 +0000 Hartley Patterson
<hpt...@REMOVE.ME.vossnet.co.uk> wrote:

>But then the puns in the Asterix comics are a lot funnier in English
>than they are in French.

I doubt it. Can you give some examples?

Bernie
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blue-spotted faq caviller. Skripted scienobot.
Cult rah-rah.

Dave Christian

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In article <Gjgx2.153$292....@news.ntplx.net>,
gd...@no.spam.please.usa.net says...

> The danger to the Bill of Rights generally doesn't come in my opinion from
> the right, but from the left... many self rightgeous left people seek to
> limit the right to assemble, to speak out on issues, and to enjoy generally
> freedoms which used to be taken for granted by most americans.

I have to disagree strongly, Gary.

From your comments, it would appear that you are focusing primarily on
abortion, and all the side issues associated with it (i.e., the FACE
ruling, the recent web-site ruling, etc.).

When you take a look at what the right is looking to do, the Bill of
Rights needs protecting.

Groups like the American Family Association are focused solely on
limiting what you and I can watch, read, and listen to. While censorship
is something that the government does, the AFA is in the "suppression"
business and is a clear threat to the 1st amendment.

Regarding abortion, how much more intrusive into a person's life can
government get than telling a woman what she can and cannot do with
her own body?

The right is big on flag burning, as if burning a flag is equivalent to
destroying the American way of life. It is a Pandora's box of 1st
Amendment issues.

Day after day, the right is interjecting itself in trying to change
what people have access to or how it is interpretted. The Last
Temptation of Christ, Madonna's "Sex" book, "Ellen," and now this
whole Teletubbie lunacy are only a few examples of how the right would
like to control and limit what we can see and read.

The Bill of Rights is under attack from the far right and needs
protection from them.

I recognize that you are focused on abortion as a core issue and so
are a lot of other people on both sides. But don't let your tunnel
vision on that blind you to the dangers coming from the right with
regard to our rights. Especially their continuing onslaught on the
1st Amendment.

--
Dave Christian

To email me, change my domain name to what's right.
You're smart, you figure it out.

Gary

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Dave Christian <ANTIdave...@ANTImindspringSPAM.EDU> wrote in message

>From your comments, it would appear that you are focusing primarily on
>abortion, and all the side issues associated with it (i.e., the FACE
>ruling, the recent web-site ruling, etc.).
>
>When you take a look at what the right is looking to do, the Bill of
>Rights needs protecting.

Err Dave, I did not introduce abortion rights or FACE into this. I will say
however that the left is as zealous as anyone on the right about
denying/granting rights they disapprove/approve of. The distinction to me is
one of orientation, not zealousness, not validity. Both are dangers... that
the right is recognized as dangerous, is assumed generally these days...
that the left is equally dangerous... and the loss of rights equally of
concern goes without much notice... I attribute this mostly to the leanings
of the popular media. I did speak about PBS muting Po on this board... if
you wish to address this, I will be happy to discuss it with you... if you
wish to speak directly about Falwells statements regarding Teletubbies...
lets talk... if you wish to pontificate about the virtue of the left and the
horror of the right, please find another newsgroup:-)

>Groups like the American Family Association are focused solely on
>limiting what you and I can watch, read, and listen to. While censorship
>is something that the government does, the AFA is in the "suppression"
>business and is a clear threat to the 1st amendment.

PBS has already limited what my child may watch. I am not 100% certain,
however it appears Po has been muted. You ignore the left being largely or
exclusively in control of childrens television, and of PBS generally.
Similarly you ignore the administration which is to the left and has been
for quite a few years. The "suppression" of ideas which goes on at PBS is
probably well underreported. To the extent it affects the Teletubbies, I
think it's relevent for discussion here. If you want to discuss the White
Houses suppression of the Lisa Myers story and how NBC functions as an
extension for the White House Press Office... well maybe alt.druge or some
such would make you happier...

>Regarding abortion, how much more intrusive into a person's life can
>government get than telling a woman what she can and cannot do with
>her own body?

I really don't see why abortion is being introduced by you into the
Teletubbie forum? However I will mention, we are prevented from driving
without seat belts, are limited in our ability to smoke, drink, drive and
generally limited in many respects to what we may do with our bodies.
Without going into a large abortion debate, the status of the unborn as a
person or not a person protected by the 14th amendment seemed to be the
deciding factor in both Roe and Bolton. If the Supreme Court, or should
Congress and the President should recognize those unborn as citizens or
persons protected by the 14th amenment, the right to personal privacy (which
is not explicitly granted in the Constitution with respect to abortion)
would of course fall. I do not see however this as relevent to a discussion
of Teletubbies, do you? Nor if you haven't noticed, have I picked a side.

>The right is big on flag burning, as if burning a flag is equivalent to
>destroying the American way of life. It is a Pandora's box of 1st
>Amendment issues.

I oppose any limit to prevent expression, unless the expression endangers
other persons. I support restrictions on yelling fire in a theatre... other
than that I am very big on permitting expressions even those I detest. Those
who are so zealous anti Christian and anti Falwell scare me just as much as
Falwell.. in some cases more... as their zealousness and poorly thought out
expressions vs Falwells demonstrate more of a mantra resemblent of earlier
dictatorships this century.

>Day after day, the right is interjecting itself in trying to change
>what people have access to or how it is interpretted. The Last
>Temptation of Christ, Madonna's "Sex" book, "Ellen," and now this
>whole Teletubbie lunacy are only a few examples of how the right would
>like to control and limit what we can see and read.

The right is reacting in virtually every incident you cited to the left, yet
I do not see you complaining about the left? Personally I do not wish to
take sides on this... it isn't relevent to Teletubbies. The right generally
has in my opinion been far less successful in forcing censorship and
limiting freedoms vs the left.

>The Bill of Rights is under attack from the far right and needs
>protection from them.

Its under attack from both the left and right, and the left has had a better
track record of defeating funamental rights. No side is blameless... however
the left fails to recognize the danger of some of the precidents they
establish.

>I recognize that you are focused on abortion as a core issue and so
>are a lot of other people on both sides. But don't let your tunnel
>vision on that blind you to the dangers coming from the right with
>regard to our rights. Especially their continuing onslaught on the
>1st Amendment.

Dave,
I did not introduce abortion into this debate, I do not think its relevent.
Your claim that I'm focused on what you have introduced and spent quite some
time on seems to me a metaphor for the problem with the left in this
country... you introduce something, get some reaction and then blame those
who react as the cause.

Please... take it easy... the Teletubbies are for non aborted, non aborting
audiences primarilly (fortunately most kids 1-5 don't have to take on such
weighty issues). Introduction of such issues to this board I think makes it
a tougher board to be in than it should be... I have countered your post as
pleasently and neutrally as I believe is reasonable... but please... take
your discussions elsewhere:-)

Hugs
Gary


Gary

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>They're too busy clinging to ridiculous notions like
>Brand being the best big man in the country, Langdon being the "best pure
>shooter" in the country, and Laettner being better than Lew Alcindor.

Yeah, huh huh, and that stupid idea that Duke could possibly be the best team
in the nation.


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d@ve
"If the Church and the devil went to law, the devil would win for all the
lawyers and attorneys would be on his side."-Jonathan Swift


Gary

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Gary

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Gary <gd...@no.spam.please.usa.net> wrote in message
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>Yeah, huh huh, and that stupid idea that Duke could possibly be the best
team
>in the nation.
>
>
>http://members.tripod.com/~dnc999/index1.html
>d@ve
>"If the Church and the devil went to law, the devil would win for all the
>lawyers and attorneys would be on his side."-Jonathan Swift

Dave or whatever your name is,
Please, this sort of harassment doesn't belong anywhere, certainly not in
the alt.tv.teletubbies newsgroup. You may not appreciate my posts, which is
fine, but masquarading as me with junk in hopes of having my statements
killed won't work either, it may require me to change my handle if it
continues unabated, but it won't stop my posts.

To anyone wondering what is going on, this person is using my handle and my
return email and posting junk, not from me... you can determine the origin
by looking at the newsgroup headers. This is one of the sad methods employed
by people who really cannot debate on substance anything meaningful.

Sigh

Gary

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small roaster,Spoon one can cream of mushroom soup over top. Sprinkle 1
pkg. dry onion soup mix over top. Cover and bake at 350 for about 1-11/4
hours.To make a bit more special,add a canof sliced mushrooms before
adding soups.


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Oops - should have read further along - found the recipe so please ignore my
first post asking for it.

Vikki Martin wrote:

> I missed the original post or whatever and would love this recipe if someone
> wouldn't mind sending it to me. Thanks.
> Vikki
>
> beth thomas wrote:
>
> > Oh..Stouffers....got those *gourmet* kids!!..mine wouldn't touch it either!
> > The 3 year old said, "That is not macaroni! There is no blue box!"
> > Horrified them both that it was not orange and that it had bread crumbs on
> > top.
> > I am raising heathens =;-) Beth
> >
> > Marjorie Peskin wrote in message <36C350D5...@netscape.com>...
> > >
> > >
> > >"C.L. Gifford" wrote:
> > >>
> > >
> > >Well, I made it too, following the recipe exactly. It is the Mac and
> > >Cheese to end all mac and cheese recipes...for adults. My kids didn't
> > >love it. They ate it, but give them Stouffers anyday. Or the recipe
> > >from the old Joy of Cooking.
> > >

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Gary

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> We are going to make "Fluffed Rock Lobsters". It
>came out very good last time. Anyone needs a recipe, let me know. It's
>on the web.
>

I'd like that recipe, please!
Thanks.
--Mary


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Joseph P. Slater wrote:
>
> Robert Williams wrote in message <7a2abg$t5$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>...
> >
> >Joseph P. Slater wrote in message ...
> >>
> >>Robert Williams wrote in message <7a1p8p$dec$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>...
> >>>
> >>>No. I could be all those things(apart from limey) if i was an american.
> >>>Thank god i am not.
> >>>
> >>>Rob
> >>>
> >>
> >>Yes, thank god, indeed.
> >
> >If i was, well i don't think the person i am now would like the person i
> >would be if i was american.
> >
> >Rob
>
> Yes, that's true. The person you are now would be extremely jealous of that
> person and the culture that he lived in. You would then proceed to attack
> the person you would be while hiding behind a paper-thin act of superiority.
> There, there Rob, I feel your pain. Let it go. It's not like your from
> France or whatever hell-hole Devin was "born" in.

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MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

Title: Brownie Cakes in a Jar
Categories: Cakes
Yield: 1 Servings

2 Canning jars;wide mouth
1 c All-purpose flour
1 c Sugar
1/2 ts Baking soda
1/4 ts Ground cinnamon (optional)
1/3 c Butter;or Margarine
1/4 c -Water
3 tb Unsweetened cocoa powder
1/4 c Buttermilk
1 Egg; beaten
1/2 ts Vanilla extract
1/4 c Walnuts; finely chopped

Here's one you can start out with, it makes 2 jars. Every recipe
technique is the same, just different ingredients.. Sterilize, two
1-pint straight-sided wide-mouth canning jars (specifically made for
canning jams and jellies) lids and rings by boiling for 10 minutes
(keep the lids and rings in the hot water until ready to use); set
aside. In a small bowl stir together flour, sugar, baking soda and
cinnamon, if desired. Set aside. In a medium saucepan combine butter
or margarine, water and cocoa powder; heat and stir until butter or
margarine is melted and mixture is well blended. Remove from heat;
stir in flour mixture. Add buttermilk, egg and vanilla; beat by hand
until smooth. Stir in nuts. Pour mixture into the prepared canning
jars; place jars onto a cookie sheet. Preheat oven to 325-degrees.
Bake for 35-40 minutes or until a pick inserted deep into each cake
comes out clean. Remove cakes from the oven, one at a time. Place a
lid, then a ring onto the jars and screw down tightly. USE HEAVY-DUTY
MITTS, the jars ARE HOT!!

Place jars onto your counter to cool. You'll hear a "plinking" sound.
If you miss the sound, wait until the cakes are cool and press on the
lids, they shouldn't move at all, that means they've sealed.

Store cakes in a cool, dark place. They should last up to a year--I
don't know, they've never lasted that long around here! If you'd like
to decorate them, place a wad of cotton in the center of each lid,
then place a piece of decorative cloth, about 3-inches larger in
circumference than the lid, (cut with pinking shears) on top of the
cotton. Screw the ring back on (by this time the rings can be removed
as the lids should be sealed).

Use your imagination when decorating--a hot glue gun works wonders
(dried flowers, ribbon, etc). These make WONDERFUL Christmas gifts.

From: Joan Mershon Date: 06 Jan 94

MMMMM

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

Title: Pumpkin Spice Cake in Jars
Categories: Cakes, Desserts
Yield: 1 Servings

1 c Seedless raisins
1 c Walnuts
2 c All-purpose flour
2 ts Baking soda
1/4 ts Baking powder
1/2 ts Salt
2 ts Ground cloves
2 ts Ground cinnamon
1 ts Ground ginger
4 lg Eggs
2 c Granulated sugar
1 c Salad oil
- (use fresh oil only)
16 oz Cn pumpkin (not pie filling)

Preheat oven to 325-degrees.

Sterilize 8 Ball Quilted Crystal (#14400-81400) jam/jelly canning
jars, lids and rings by boiling them for 15 minutes. Remove the jars
and allow them to air-dry on your countertop; leave the lids and
rings in the water until you're ready to use them. Once the jars are
cool enough to handle, grease the insides with shortening (DO NOT use
butter, margarine, PAM or Baker's Secret).

Coarsely chop the raisins and walnuts; set aside. I used my mini
chopper and did them in batches.

Sift together the flour, baking soda, baking powder, salt, cloves,
cinnamon and ginger in a lg bowl. Add raisins and walnuts; toss to
lightly combine; set aside.

In another large bowl, beat eggs at high speed until thick and
yellow (2-3 minutes). Gradually beat in the sugar until thick and
light. At low speed, beat in the oil and pumpkin; blend well.
Gradually stir in the flour mixture until well blended. Divide batter
among the 8 canning jars (should be slightly less than 1/2 full).
Wipe the sides of the jar off in case you slop or it'll burn (mine
did -- didn't wipe them down). Place jars on a cookie sheet or
they'll tip over.

Bake in preheated 325-degree oven for about 40 minutes or until
toothpick inserted into center of cakes (deep) and comes out clean.
Move the jars around in the oven while they're baking so they bake
evenly.

When cakes test done, remove them one-by-one (use HEAVY DUTY mitts);
place a HOT lid, then a ring on and screw down tightly. Place jars
onto your countertop to cool completely.

Linda/BDT Burbank, CA (USA)
Posted in COOKING by: Sandee Eveland 8/31/93 From: Jean Cody

MMMMM

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Title: Canned Apple Cake Jar Cake
Categories: Cakes, Preserving
Yield: 8 Servings

2/3 c Shortening
1/2 ts Baking powder
3 1/3 c Sugar
2 ts Baking soda
4 Eggs
1 1/2 ts Salt
2 c Applesauce
1 ts Cinnamon (ground)
3 1/3 c Flour
1 ts Cloves (ground)
1 c Raisins
1/2 c Pecans (chopped)

Yield: 8 servings

Grease 8 WIDE-MOUTH pint canning jars with melted shortening. Use a
brush and avoid getting grease on the jar rims. Cream shortening and
sugar. Beat in eggs and applesauce. Sift together the dry
ingredients and blend them into the applesauce mixture. Add the
raisins and nuts and divide the batter evenly between 8 widemouth
pint jars. The jars will be more than half full. Bake open jars
about 60 minutes in an oven at 325 degrees. When done, quickly remove
one hot jar at a time and clean its sealing edge. Immediately apply
and firmly tighten a two-piece wide-mouth canning lid. The lid will
form a vacuum seal as the jar cools. Jars of cooled bread may be
stored on the pantry shelf with other canned foods or may be placed
in a freezer. The bread is safe to eat as long as jars remain vacuum
sealed and free of mold growth.

NOTE: The lady who contributed this recipe to the magazine noted that
she had some of this cake that is one year old and is still
delicious. I have personally made this and have several jars that are
still good over 5 months later. I plan to save one jar from my
original batch and see how long it will keep. (Nancy)

SOURCE:Countryside and Small Stock Journal, Vol. 77, #1, Jan/Feb,
1993. Contributed by Elaine White Typed for you by Nancy Coleman
From: Nancy Coleman From: Mate...@picard.Ml.Wpafb.Af.Mil (

MMMMM

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Title: Gingerbread Baked in Jars
Categories: Cakes
Yield: 5 Servings

2 1/4 c Flour (all-purpose)
3/4 c Sugar
1 ts Baking soda
1/2 ts Baking powder
1/4 ts Salt
2 ts Ginger (ground)
1 ts Cinnamon (ground)
1/2 ts Cloves (ground)
3/4 c Margarine (softened)
3/4 c Water
1/2 c Molasses

Preheat oven to 325-degrees (NO higher).

Sterilize 5 (12 oz) Ball Quilted Crystal (#14400-81400) jam/jelly
canning jars, lids and rings by boiling them for 15 minutes. Remove
the jars from the water and allow them to air-dry on your counter
top; leave the lids and rings in the hot water until you're ready to
use them.

Once the jars are cool enough to handle, use a pastry brush to grease
them with shortening (DO NOT use butter, margarine, PAM or Baker's
Secret); set aside.

In a large bowl, combine flour, sugar, baking soda, baking powder,
salt, ginger, cinnamon and cloves. Stir in margarine, water and
molasses until well blended. Divide batter among the 5 jars (they
should be about 1/2 full). Place jars onto a cookie sheet or they'll
tip over.

Bake in preheated 325-degree oven for 35 minutes or until cake tester
inserted in center comes out clean. Move the jars around in the oven
while they're baking, so they'll bake evenly.

Have your HOT lids ready. Using HEAVY-DUTY MITTS (the jars ARE HOT!)
Take one jar at a time from the oven and place a lid on, then the
ring. Tightly screw on lids--do it FAST because the lid gets REAL
hot! Allow jars to cool on your countertop.

Once the jars are cool, decorate with round pieces of cloth. Unscrew
the ring (the lid should be sealed by now) and place a few cotton
balls or a wad of batting on top of the lid (makes it poof-y on top),
then a piece of cloth (about 3" larger than the lid) on top and screw
the ring back on. Decorate as desired. I used pinking shears to cut
the cloth rounds out, otherwise some material will start to unravel.
A hot glue gun is INVALUABLE--glue on dried flowers, bows, ribbons,
etc.

Posted in COOKING by: Sandee Eveland 8/31/93

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Title: Applesauce Cake in a Jar
Categories: Cakes, Gifts, Fruits
Yield: 12 Servings


~JUDIE HICKS (PWHD10A) 2 2/3 c Sugar 2/3 c Shortening 2 c
Applesauce 2/3 c Water 3 1/3 c Flour 1/2 ts Baking pwdr 1 ts Baking
soda 4 Eggs 1 ts Cinnamon 1 1/2 ts
Salt 2/3 c Nuts; (optional) 1 ts Ground cloves

Sometime ago there was a request for baking cakes in a mason jar.
Here is recipe I found in "Tightwad Gazette;" 12/92, Issue 31. Cream
together shortening and sugar. Beat in eggs, applesauce and water.
Sift flour, baking powder, soda, salt and spices, and add to mixture.
Stir in nuts. Pour into well-greased pint jars, ones with wide mouths
and no necks. Fill 1/2 full. Bake at 325 for 45 minutes. Wipe jars
clean, put canning lid and ring on and screw tight. Jars seal as they
cool. Decorate tops of jars with material and ribbon. Store in
cupboard. This recipe makes 12-14 pint jars. According to Rhonda of
Moore, Oklahoma this cake "tastes great and will last sealed for one
year."

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Title: Jar Cakes
Categories: Cakes, Desserts
Yield: 1 Servings

1 ea Information

Ever baked cakes in canning jars? It's neat! ANY quick bread-type
cake can be baked in canning jars.

I usually bake one jar first -- you have to know how high the batter
rises. I usually fill ONE jar 1/2 full then bake it to see how high it
rises, then go from there. You don't want the cake to come out of the
top of the jar, only to within 1/4 to 1/2 inch from the lip of the
jar. Write it down on your recipe (how far you filled the jars)! Once
you've established how high the cake rises, you can go from there.
The first time around is a bit tricky because you won't know how many
jars you'll need. MOST of the recipes I've tried I end up using
around 8. Sterilize as many jars as you think you'll need and go from
there. Make sure your LIDS are new, the rings don't have to be As the
jars do seal, the cakes are as moist as the day you put them into the
jars--sometimes MORESO.

The baking times will vary -- the moistness of each cake recipe will
determine the time. MOST of the recipes I've tried bake in 35-40
minutes. Start checking the cakes at 25- 30 minutes and go from there.

YES, the cakes DO slide easily out of the jars IF you use the jars
I've listed. They're Ball 12-oz Quilted Crystal Canning Jars
(#14400-81400). They can be found at most grocery stores (at least
here in California) next to the pectin and other canning supplies.
Also, I've seen the 12 oz straight-sided (plain) jars (# ?) at Smart
& Final. The plain jars work fine too but they're not as pretty and
you have to make your own labels--the jars I use come with decorative
labels. One IMPORTANT tip--get your jars NOW! Once summer's over with
they're very hard to find. Also, when you can, ask for the jars back,
they're NOT cheap. Most folks don't mind returning them though, they
usually want refills! <G>

There will be a little condensation on the lids and some in the
jars so when you seal them it's trapped inside. Don't worry about
getting the water off of the lids before placing them onto the jars,
the added moisture doesn't hurt the cakes in the slightest. Quick
bread-type cakes work best, I've found that lighter cakes tend to
fall when the jars seal.

I'm trying to address every question that's been asked of me
before, I HOPE I've done that. If I've missed anything or if anyone
has any questions, don't hesitate to ask. These make WONDERFUL
Christmas gifts and you cn start NOW! Single friends really
appreciate these because each jar makes enough for one or two people.
I'll post the recipes I've made in my next notes. Try them, they're
FUN and delicious to boot! Be right back with a few more tips...

Several folks have asked me how long the cakes can be safely
stored...I'm not sure. The longest I've been able to keep them
(without getting eaten) is 6 months. The jars DO seal, just like any
canned good. You don't have to refrigerate the jars, just keep them
in a COOL, dark, dry place. I've only had 6 jars go bad on me and
that was my fault...put them in a cupboard that got too hot and the
seals broke. I now check the jars at least once a week by pushing
down on the lid (in the middle); if the lid moves up and down, that
means the seal has broken. If you've checked the jars frequently,
more than likely they're safe to eat; otherwise, toss the cake. I've
been making cakes in canning jars for over 3 years and haven't
poisoned anyone so far. :) If you give the jars away, be sure to
tell the person to check the jar periodically (if they plan on
storing it for any length of time).

Not only are the cakes tasty, they're very pretty to decorate. A
hot glue gun is INVALUABLE! You cn glue on dried flowers, ribbons,
dough-art ...you name it, it can be glued onto the lid, ring and side
of the jar. I usually cut out a piece of cloth (about 3 inches larger
in circumference than the lid), using pinking shears (so the cloth
doesn't unravel), place a wad of cotton or batting in the center of
the lid (take the ring off -- the jar lid should be sealed by now),
then place the piece of cloth on top and replace the ring. Decorate
to your heart's desire!

There are probably a few more tips I've forgotten...if anyone has
any questions, don't hesitate to ask. Don't limit yourself to the
recipes I've given you...ANY quick-bread type cake cn be baked in
canning jars. Lighter cakes tend to fall once the jar seals.

Be right back with the first recipe...

Linda/BDT Burbank, CA (USA)
Posted in COOKING by: Sandee Eveland 8/31/93 From: Jean Cody ~--

From: Val...@nbnet.Nb.Ca (Valerie)

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Title: Applesauce Cake Baked in a Jar
Categories: Cakes, Desserts
Yield: 1 Servings

2/3 c Shortening
2 2/3 c Sugar
4 Eggs
2 c Applesauce
2/3 c Water
3 1/3 c All-purpose flour sifted
1/2 ts Baking powder
2 ts Baking soda
1 1/2 ts Salt
1 ts Cinnamon
2 ts Ground cloves
2/3 c Nuts, chopped (optional)

Preheat oven to 325-degrees.

Sterilize 5 straight-sided Ball Quilted Crystal (#14400- 81400)

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canning jars, lids and rings by boiling them for 15 minutes. Keep the
lids and rings in the water until you're ready to use them. Remove
the jars from the water and place them on a clean dish towel to
air-dry (up, not upside down). When the jars are cool enough to
handle, grease the insides with shortening (DO NOT use butter,
margarine, PAM or Baker's Secret); set aside.

Sift together the flour, baking powder, baking soda, salt, cinnamon
and cloves; set aside.

Cream together the shortening and sugar. Beat in the eggs, one at a
time until the mixture is light and fluffy. Add the applesauce and
water. Blend the dry ingredients into the applesauce mixture. Fold in
the nuts.; set aside. Fill well greased jars half full. Place the
jars onto a cookie sheet or they'll tip over.

Bake for 35 minutes or until a cake tester comes out clean. like you
would any canned goods.

The method for making the cakes is the same -- no matter which
recipe you use. The only difference will be the ingredients (of
course), the amount of jars needed and the baking times- -that's all,
everything else is the same. Don't limit yourself to the recipes I'm
giving you -- use your favorite quick-bread recipe. I plan on trying
the Carrot Cake recipe I posted.

Linda/BDT Burbank, CA (USA)
Posted in COOKING by: Sandee Eveland 8/31/93 From: Jean Cody ~--

The following information is from another version (original poster
not on file):

Place jars onto a cookie sheet or they'll fall over. Bake in a
preheated 325-degree oven for 35-40 minutes or until a pick inserted
deep into the center of each cake comes out clean. Remove jars from
the oven, one-at-a-time (use HEAVY-DUTY MITTS, the jars ARE HOT!);
place a lid, then a ring on top and screw down tightly.

Place jars onto your counter top to cool. You'll know when the jars
have sealed, you'll hear a "plinking" sound. If you missed the sound,
test them by pressing down on the lids once the jars have
cooled--they shouldn't move at all.

Store jars in a cool, dry place. They should keep for about a year.
I've only been able to keep them for a few weeks, they don't last
that long around here. They're wonderful for last minute gifts,
especially for single friends.

From: Val...@nbnet.Nb.Ca (Valerie)

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Title: Jar Cake
Categories: Cakes, Desserts
Yield: 6 Servings

6 Half-pint straight sided
Jelly jars w/metal rings
2 c Plain flour
1 ts Baking soda
1/2 ts Salt
3/4 c Sugar
1/2 c Butter
2 Eggs
1 ts Vanilla
1 c Buttermilk
1 10oz. jar Maraschino
Cherries drained and
Chopped (approx. 1 cup)
1 c Chopped pecans

Directions:
: Grease jelly jars. Mix together flour, salt, and soda. In large
bowl beat sugar, butter, eggs, and vanilla on medium speed until
light and fluffy. Add flour mixture and buttermilk alternately to
butter mixture beating just till blended after each addition. Fold in
nuts and cherries. Pour about 2/3 cup batter into each jar. Cover
with foil. Place jars on rack in large pot with 1 in. simmering
water. Cover and steam about 30 min. or till a toothpick in center
comes out clean. Cool cake in jars 10 min. Remove cake from jars,
cool completely. Wash jars; replace cakes. Spread tops of cakes with
white icing. Secure the metal rings to jars.

Hope this answers your question. These unique little cakes would be
nice gifts to neighbors, teachers, and friends during the holidays.
The tops of the frosted cakes could be decorated to suite the
occasion.

This recipe comes from Better Homes and Gardens Creative Cake
Decorating (pg. 61).

From: Val...@nbnet.Nb.Ca (Valerie)

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Title: Mason Jar Cakes
Categories: Preserving, Cakes, Holidays
Yield: 4 Servings

Pumpkin "Cake-in-a-Jar"
(Bill Segui)
2/3 c Shortening
2 2/3 c Sugar

4 eggs 2 c pumpkin - fresh pureed (or canned)
2/3 c water
3 1/3 c flour
1/2 tsp baking powder
1 1/2 tsp salt 1 tsp cloves - ground
1/2 tsp allspice 1 tsp cinnamon 2 tsp baking soda
1 c walnuts - chopped 8 pint jars - wide mouth w/lids and
rings for sealing 8 wax paper circles cut to fit inside jars

Preheat oven to 325 degrees. Grease the canning jars.

Cream shortening and sugar together, adding sugar slowly. Beat in
eggs, pumpkin and water. Set aside.

Sift together flour, baking powder, salt, ground cloves, allspice,
cinnamon and baking soda. Add to pumpkin mixture and stir well. Stir
in nuts.

Pour batter into jars, filling half-full. Place jars on cookie sheet.
Bake upright about 45 minutes. (Cake will rise and pull away from
sides of jar.) When done, remove one jar at a time from oven. While
still warm, place wax paper circle on the top end of the cake. Wipe
sealing edge of jar. Place lid on jar and close tightly with ring.
Turn jar upside down. (Cake will loosen at this time.) Repeat with
other jars. Leave jars upside down until sealed. (Jar is sealed if
lid remains flat when pressed in center.)

To serve: Open jar, slide a knife around inside of the jar to loosen
the cake, and remove the cake from the jar. Warm cake in the oven if
desired. Slice and serve with whipped cream.

This dessert treat is baked and presented in a wide-mouth canning jar.
Because the jar is sealed, the cake keeps indefinitely. It can be
made well ahead of the holidays.

Applesauce Cake Baked in a Jar (Oven Method) (Joan Johnson)

2-2/3 c shortening
2-2/3 c sugar 4 eggs
2 c applesauce
2/3 c water
3 1/3 c all-purpo From: Val...@nbnet.Nb.Ca (Valerie)

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Title: Apple Cake in a Jar
Categories: Cakes
Yield: 1 Servings

2/3 c Shortening
1 1/2 ts Salt
2 2/3 c Sugar
3 c Flour
4 Eggs
2/3 c Water
1 ts Cinnamon
3 c Apples, Grated
2 ts Baking Soda
2/3 c Raisins
1/2 ts Baking Powder
2/3 c Chopped Nuts

MIX THE INGREDIENTS TOGETHER IN THE ORDER GIVEN. STERILIZE 7 TO 9 WIDE
MOUTH PINT JARS AND LIDS. GREASE THEM WITH SHORTNING. FILL THE JARS
HALF FULL AND BAKE ON THE MIDDLE WIRE WIRE RACK IN THE OVEN. BAKE FOR
45 MINUTES AT 325 DEGREES. AS SOON AS THE CAKE IS DONE, REMOVE THE
BOTTLES FROM THE OVEN ONE AT A TIME. WIPE THE RIM OF THE BOTTLE CLEAN
WITH CLOTH ANDPUT ON THE HOT STERILIZED LIDS. SCREW DOWN THE BANDS
AND LET COOL. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT USE SMALL MOUTH JARS. DO NOT ADD ANY
OTHER INGREDIENTS. AS THE CAKE COOLS IN THE SEALED JAR, IT WILL PULL
AWAY FROM THE SIDES OF THE JAR AND COME OUT EASILY WHEN READY TO
SERVE. SLICE AND SERVE WITH LEMON SAUCE. LEMON SAUCE 2 TBLS.
CORNSTARCH 2 TBLS. BUTTER 1/2 CUP SUGAR 4 1/2 TSP. FINELY GRATED
LEMON RIND PINCH OF SALT 2 TBLS LEMON JUICE 1 CUP BOILING WATER IN A
PAN, THOROUGHLY STIR TOGETHER THE CORN STARCH, SUGAR, AND SALT.
GRADUALLY STIR IN THE BOILING WATER, STIRRING CONSTANTLY TO KEEP IT
SMOOTH. CONTINUE STIRRING AND COOK OVER MODERATE HEAT UNTIL BOILING.
BOIL GENTLY FOR ABOUT 20 MINUTES. REMOVE FROM HEAT, ADD BUTTER,
LEMON RIND AND JUICE. STIR THOROUGHLY. SERVE HOT OVER APPLE CAKE IN A
JAR. MAKES ABOUT 1 1/4 CUPS. THIS SAUCE IS THICKER AND MORE TART THAN
THE USUAL LEMON SAUCE.

From file CAKES01.ZIP

From: "William J. Scherer" <bspro@space

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Title: Butterscotch Brownies Mix in a Jar
Categories: Cakes, Gifts
Yield: 1 Jar


1/2 cup firmly packed flaked coconut
3/4 cup chopped pecans 2 cups firmly packed brown sugar
2 cup flour mixed with
1 1/2 Tbsp baking powder and
1/4 tsp salt

Layer ingredients in order given in a 1 quart wide mouth canning jar.
Press each layer firmly in place before adding the next ingredient.
Directions given to recipient: Empty jar into large mixing bowl, use
your hands to thoroughly mix. Add 1-1/2 sticks soft butter, 2 eggs
slightly beaten and 2 tsp vanilla (optional).Mix until completely
blended Spread into a sprayed 9" x 13" metal pan Bake 375 for 25
minutes. Cool 15 minutes in baking pan. Trim 1/2" from each edge of
brownies (discard this later--it is overcooked) Cut brownies into 1
1/2" squares. Cool completely in pan. Makes 2 dozen brownies

From: Val...@nbnet.Nb.Ca (Valerie)

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Michelle Matinez wrote in message
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Any body have any good recipes for amish jar cakes. Your help is
greatly appreciated.

slurpee

Gary

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In article <19990213092542...@ng-ch1.aol.com>, mscha...@aol.com
says...
> One rose garden not mentioned yet is the one at The Arboritum in
> Arcadia. It's rather small, formal, but many will recognise it from old
> Hollywood movies. It's been around a long time, and an effort is being made to
> restore it. There are some older roses still there, some giant old climbers
> devouring structures, and they're adding companion plants and a few Austins to
> replace dying plants.
> Petrose is probably right in having the best garden at his house. But
> then, everyone is a rosarian in Pasadena (or thinks they are ;-)). If you just
> drive around, you will find the most lovely gardens in front yards and in front
> of many public buildings, beside parking lots, highway islands, etc. It really
> is Rose City.
> Mara
>
>
The reason the Arboretum roses were not mentioned was the last time I saw it
the companion plants (weeds) had just about overgrown the roses. The best
public garden in the area is still the Wrigley Rose Garden in Pasadena. Best
private garden is Petrose's. Ours is bigger but not exhibiting anymore may
not have diseases under as good a control as Pet has. I only spray a few
times a year. There is another excellent private garden in Long Beach, check
the PSWD web site for location and tel number. True that Pasadena does have
a lot of gardens. For a street that has many rose gardens check Huntington
Drive between Garfield and San Gabriel Blvd. where it goes through Alhambra
and San Marino. The center divider has a rose garden at each signal. Each
garden is a different variety and think all are floribundas. Makes waiting
at the signals a bit easier. I have heard that the roses were originally
donated to the city of San Marino by residents that wanted the roses in the
center divider at the signals. They are well kept.

Bill in Alhambra
Visit the Pacific Rose Society Web site at:
http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/vines/8760/
and the Pacific SouthWest District site at:
http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/vines/8754/
My site at:
http://www.mindspring.com/~whillman/
or
http://www.home.att.net/~whillman/
7:43:43 am 2/13/1999
Webmaster

Gary

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OmegaMan69 wrote >...

>And Clinton won! Ha ha, take that Republicans. Slick Willie
>wiggles his way out of another one. If Ronald Reagan was the
>Teflon (tm) President, Slick Willie is the Jello (c) President.


So you take pleasure, maybe even pride, in the Senate giving the holder of
the office of President the right to commit perjury, obstruct justice,
practice sexual harassment that would have resulted in punishment of any
other person in any other position of power in this nation? You laugh and
celebrate this? I find it extremely disheartening. I make no secret that I
am a conservative politically, but I am not a missionary. I don't care
whether others are liberal or conservative, or somewhere in between, I did
think we could all agree that having a President who clearly committed
crimes others are in prison for was a bad thing. I thought he should go. Its
simply sad that we have sunk this low.

...but, this isn't football talk.....


Gary

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Is there any other kinda of scampi *but* shrimp?? I mean seriously.. scampi
*means* shrimp.. not chicken.. not anything else. I think the Olive Garden is
advertising for "chicken scampi" and well.. you know how authentic *that* place
is!
Goomba
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
amanda wrote:

> Subj: RE: Scampi
> Date: 95-03-09 16:11:43 EST
> From: Mrarchway
> To: Sheila BB
>
> Rather than select for you, I thought I would just throw them all at you and
> let you decide.
>
>
>
> CHICKEN SCAMPI
>
> 1 1/2 CUPS CHICKEN, RAW, CUT INTO BITE-SIZE PIECES
> 1/4 LB BUTTER, CLARIFIED
> 1 1/4 TSP GARLIC, CHOPPED
> 2 TBSP LEMON JUICE
> 1/4 CUP WHITE WINE
>
> In a frying pan, place the clarified butter, and heat until
> it starts to sizzle. Dump in the chicken, and stir so that
> the pieces do not stick together. Once the chicken has lost
> the look of being uncooked, add the garlic. Stir so that the
> flavor penetrates all the meat. Continue to cook at medium
> heat for about six minutes, until the chicken starts to
> brown. Once the chicken is lightly browned, add the wine so
> the alcohol can cook off (about 1 minute). Finally, just
> before serving, add the lemon juice. One final stir and it
> can be served. Sprinkle with a little bit of parsley, and
> garnish with one or two lemon wedges.
>
> CLARIFIED BUTTER
> Melt the desired amount of butter, either sweet or salted, in
> a saucepan. When butter has completely melted (VERY low
> heat), pour into a bowl. Chill until thoroughly cold and
> solidified. Remove the hard butter from the bowl. There
> will be a liquid residue at the bottom. Discard this. What
> you have left is clarified butter.
>
> Serving suggestion
>
> This dish may be served with french fries, or a baked potato,
> plus your choice of green vegetable. Garlic bread on the
> side will make this a spectacular meal, and it doesn't take
> very much time to prepare.
>
> ALTERNATE RECIPE
>
> Seafood lovers may prefer to make Shrimp Scampi. Same
> recipe, except you substitute peeled, deveined shrimp for the
> chicken.
>
> LONNIE YAEGER SR. wrote in message
> <542-36C4...@newsd-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
>
> LONNIE YAEGER SR. STOCKBRIDGE GA.


Gary

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>
>Anyone remember anymore?

Aye, aye aye aye
I am the Frito Bandito
I love Frito Corn Chips
I love them , I do

(Can't remember the rest....)


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