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chuckbeatty77 @aol.com

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Jan 24, 2006, 3:19:04 AM1/24/06
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Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
And now he is laying very low.

Chuck Beatty
412-260-1170

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zeeorger

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Jan 24, 2006, 4:08:49 AM1/24/06
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auto...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Rumors are saying that you are a p$ych troll who suffers from insomnia,
> CB.
>
>

Auto, your boss just left, what will you do, what will you do, you Co$
troll you.

Be sure to save some of that $50/week allowance for a bus ride home.

Z

RolandRB

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Jan 24, 2006, 4:11:38 AM1/24/06
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They don't get that much, do they? If they do, it is five times more
than they are worth.

Muldoon

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Jan 24, 2006, 4:13:31 AM1/24/06
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Isn't Auto 2 self activated? An unpaid "volunteer."

zeeorger

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Jan 24, 2006, 4:37:01 AM1/24/06
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Nah, let me call his slave master, ...

Lynn Franey: to the white courtesy phone please.
Lynn Farney: to the white courtesy phone please.
...

Sorry M, have not heard from him in a while.

Z

wbarwell

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Jan 24, 2006, 5:15:20 AM1/24/06
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chuckbeatty77 @aol.com wrote:

One can stand only so much abuse and the realization that
as long as DM lives, life at the top in Scientology will
always be miserable, fruitless, dead end, numbing.
Another escape from Happyland.

Good luck on your new life, Marty.


--

It's all coming down! It's all coming down!
IT'S ALL COMING DOWN!
- Texas Chainsaw Massacre II


Cheerful Charlie

wbarwell

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AFFIDAVIT OF TONJA C. BURDEN



Copyright (C) 1980 Tonja Burden
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.


My name is Tonja Burden of Las Vegas, Nevada. I am 20 years old.
On or about March 3, 1973, when I was 13 years old, my father and mother
were recruited to join Scientology. I joined Scientology after being
recruited by Billy Kohn, and signed my Sea Organization contract for one
billion years on or about March 3, 1973.

Kohn stated that we would be placed on the staff in Las Vegas, live
in well furnished, private quarters, eat well and earn a substantial
amount of money with two days off per week. My father sold his Cadillac
and sports car, and we drove to Los Angeles with our recruiter.

Scientology placed me in the Cadet Organization, and my parents in
the American Saint Hill Organization (ASHO). The Cadet Organization,
headed by Dorothy Jefferson, at 811 Beacon Street, Los Angeles,
California, consisted of two three-story buildings that housed
approximately 400 children. The Cadet Organization was designed to
teach children about Scientology. My duties were to care, clean and
feed the children. Myself and another girl my age were the two oldest
children at the Cadet Organization. The living conditions were squalid.
Glass from broken windows lay strewn over the floors. Live electrical
wires were exposed in areas where young children played. We received
little food. On several occasions spoiled milk with maggots was served
to children. The maggots were removed by hand before the milk was
served. In addition to caring for the children, I cleaned toilets
daily. I wrote to L. Ron Hubbard explaining the conditions, but nothing
improved.

Children were not allowed to live with their parents. Scientology
permitted one visit every other week, and only for 45 minutes during
mealtime. My parents were placed at American Saint Hill Organization
and left Scientology in September 1973, when I was aboard the ship, the
Apollo.

One day a man arrived at the Cadet Organization from Flag. Flag
headquarters was on the Apollo. This man spoke of 'The Source,' L Ron
Hubbard. Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, needed 'messengers' and
others to work aboard his ship.

I left the Cadet Organization after approximately three months. I
was then sent to Folo, another Scientology base located at the Manor on
Franklin Street in Los Angeles, California. At Folo I was placed in the
Flag Readiness Unit (FRU). Chuck Pierce ran this unit. The program was
designed to conduct 'security checks' of individuals to ensure they were
appropriate subjects to work for L. Ron Hubbard aboard the Apollo.

During questioning they attempted to determine if I was connected
to any 'Suppressive Persons.' (A Suppressive Person is one hostile to
the Scientology cult.) I was given a personality test and an IQ test
and other tests. I participated in indoctrination (brainwashing) for
three months. Finally, I was approved and sent into Briefing.

The Briefing process occurred on or about August 1973. In
briefing, Peter Cook instructed me to give specific answers to certain
questions that may be asked me by non-Scientologists. Basically,
briefing involved how to answer questions that I might encounter while
en route to the Apollo. Many of the things I was instructed to say were
not true. The location and operations aboard the Apollo remained
secret. I was told if a customs agent or other non-Scientologist asked
about my destination, I should respond I was 'in transit'.

Peter cook briefed me on my cover story. I was to tell people I
was 'in transit' to the Operation Transport Corporation (OTC), a
business management school on board ship. In briefing, Cook
demonstrated my 'in transit conduct' by using modeling clay. He would
construct a clay ship and clay people and simulate my interactions with
other people while 'in transit;' using this method, he ingrained the
standard responses.

I flew to New York after briefing and was met by Kevin Campbell.
Campbell worked in a building in New York and assisted in operating
RONY. RONY, I later learned, was a liaison point that received coded
Telex messages from the Apollo and relayed those coded messages via
Telex machines to other organizations ('orgs') in the United States and
other parts of the world. Aboard the ship I would see Mike Henderson
take Telex messages from the ship and go ashore to send those messages
to RONY in New York. On other occasions, Henderson would go ashore to
receive Telex messages from RONY, New York. I was privy to these
practices as L. Ron Hubbard's personal messenger.

Campbell placed me on a plane and instructed me to meet Chuck Adams
at my destination, Lisbon, Portugal. Adams met me at the airport in
Lisbon and informed me that the Apollo had set sail. Several hours
later, Adams discovered the ship's destination was the island of
Madeira. I was placed on a plane to Madrid, Spain and at Madrid
switched over to a flight that arrived on the island of Madeira.

Questioned by customs agents, I told them I was 'in transit.' I
located a taxi drive who drove me to the Apollo.

I saw the Apollo for the first time and was greatly disappointed by
its dilapidated condition. Once aboard, I was assigned a 'buddy' and
given two days to learn about the ship. The Apollo was one of five
ships operated by Scientology which Hubbard used to direct the worldwide
organizations. There were approximately 300 - 500 'Sea Org'
Scientologist aboard the Apollo. I was given a berth in the women's
dorm and placed in the Estates Project Force (EPF).

The EPF was designed to work on the individual to gauge how much
strain one could tolerate. I was told the EPF would transform me to an
'able-bodied seaman.'

In FPF, my day began at 6:00 am. I scrubbed clothes from 6:00 am
until 12:00 noon without breakfast or any breaks. The clothes were
scrubbed by hand in a bucket, and I was directed to rinse each article
in 13 separate buckets. Then I hung the clothes on the deck to dry.

After one-half hour lunch I was assigned to clean six cabins.
Cabins had to meet white glove inspection. This meant a white glove or
Q-tip was used to check corners and shelves of each cabin for dust. If
the cabins were not cleaned to white-glove perfection, I had to run a
lap around the boat before recleaning the room. A lap was equivalent to
about one-fifth of a mile. My day would end about 12:00 midnight.

On rainy days I ironed the clothes dry. This required ironing
during the evening hours and into the morning hours. On many occasions
I ironed through the night, finishing at 6:00 am. I then started
washing the next morning's clothing. On occasion I worked three or four
days without sleep. I fell asleep at the ironing board with a hot iron
in my hand. My senior, 'Doreen' Gilliam, 'caught' me sleeping and
yanked my head off the board. She ordered me to run laps and assigned
me a condition of 'Doubt.' A condition of 'Doubt' required 15 hours of
'amends work'. This additional work had to be performed during my sleep
and meal time. Until I completed my amends work, I was ordered not to
communicate with anyone. I ate lunch alone. Finally, I spoke up,
telling them I had enough. I was sent to the Commanding messenger, and
she assigned me one month in the galley, washing pots and pans. I
washed pots and pans for one month and went back into the EPF.

EPF was like prison. I had to say 'sir' to everyone and was
generally allowed 15 minutes for meals. They would not let me out of
the EPF until I proved myself. I was totally brainwashed to receive and
take orders. I was paid $2.90 per week for this work.

While in EPF I never heard from my parents, no phone calls or
letters. Aboard the ship, I received a Telex from Peter Albert, who was
the Continental Justice Chief, FOLO. The Telex informed me my father
had been declared an SP (Suppressive Person). They said he was a
'plant,' a spy within Scientology. I began crying and asked to leave,
telling them I could convince my father to return to Scientology.

Dede Riesdorf, the 'Super Cargo' of our 'org', would not permit me
to leave. I explained I wanted to leave and reunite with my mom and
dad, but she would not permit this. She told me to 'disconnect' from my
parents because my parents were SP's. Disconnection meant no more
communication with my parents. They told me my parents would not make
it in the world, but that I would make it in the world.

Tony Armstrong, the commanding officer, assigned me a 'condition of
Doubt' and ordered me back on the EPF. She said since I wished to leave
I had to return to the EPF. I was automatically assigned 15 'hours of
amends' due to the 'condition of Doubt.' I returned to the 6:00 am -
midnight schedule, again, occasionally working twenty-four hours a day.
Approximately one month after, I was reassigned to 'Training Routines'
(TR).

During the Training Routines, myself and two other practiced
carrying messages to LRH. We had to listen to a message, repeat it in
the same tone, and practice salutes.

'Ghosting' was on-the-job training where I learned how to serve
LRH. I followed another messenger around and observed her carry his
hat, light his cigarettes, carry his ashtray, and prepare his
toiletries. Eventually, I performed those duties.

As his servant I would sit outside his room and help him out of bed
when he called 'messenger.' I responded by assisting him out of bed,
lighting his cigarette, running his shower, preparing his toiletries and
helping him dress. After that I ran to his office to check it, hoping
it passed white glove inspection. He frequently exploded if he found
dust or dirt or smelled soap in his clothes. That is why we used 13
buckets to rinse.

I then would set up LRH's auditing room; he audited himself. Then
I prepared a snack for him. LRH would go into auditing for several
hours. Later, I delivered messages to LRH. I carried messages between
Hubbard and the Telex machines on the Apollo, which were connected to
Scientology Organizations on land. The messages were also sent via
Telex to RONY when someone went ashore.

While on the Apollo, I observed numerous punishments meted out for
many minor infractions or mistakes made in connection with Hubbard's
very strict and bizarre policies. On a number of occasions, I saw
people placed in the 'chain lockers' of the boat on direct orders of
Hubbard. These lockers were small, smelly holes, covered by grates
where the chain for the anchor was stored. I saw one boy held in there
for 30 nights, crying and begging to be released. He was only allowed
out to clean the bilges where the sewer and refuse of the ship
collected. I believe his 'crimes' were taking or using a musical
instrument, I believe a flute, of someone else without permission. I
also saw a young boy and a young girl thrown in the chain lockers at
separate times because of romantic involvements they had with other
people. Hubbard fanatically prohibited involvement between the sexes,
or out-2D, as it is called in Scientoloy. Married persons were allowed
to see each other but it was strictly controlled.

LRH told me he was selling the ship and moving to a land base. The
boat was sold sometime during October 1975. Approximately 500 people
moved to Daytona Beach. We rented several hotels in Daytona. After
several months we moved to the Fort Harrison in Clearwater. At first,
LRH called it the United Churches. I heard LRH scheme this cover. He
said we would be called United Churches, although no other real churches
were involved. Finally, Mayor Cazares discovered that United Churches
was a cover name for Scientology.

I discovered this scheme by reading public relations office papers.
These papers were prepared by the public relations office, and the
papers explained the United Church front. A public relations officer
was a person who dealt with the public.

At Fort Harrison, security guards were stationed outside to prevent
people from 'blowing'. To 'blow' meant to leave Scientology. People
were not allowed to just leave Scientology. Approximately 30 to 40
people tried to escape. These people were caught and placed in the RPF
(Rehabilitation Project Force). The RPF was a Scientology
'concentration camp', where people who were 'security threats' were kept
under guard. The RPF at Fort Harrison was in a storage area.

Some people were allowed to 'leave' after being 'security checked',
searched, and after having their Scientology-related books and materials
confiscated, even if they had paid for them. These people also had to
sign documents pertaining to their 'crimes' and sign various documents
prepared by the Guardian's Office, the 'GO'. The GO was the secret
police arm of Scientology.

At Fort Harrison I remained LRH's personal messenger. I observed
LRH control the operation of Scientology in the various 'orgs' worldwide
from Fort Harrison. I coded and decoded messages to and directly from
Hubbard. Hubbard used approximately 15 codes at this time to conceal
his operations, programs and policies, which he disseminated worldwide.
I personally delivered messages concerning Operation Snowhite, Operation
Freakout, Operation Goldmine, and other Scientology secret and illegal
operations. I also filed these operations in Hubbard's personal filing
cabinet, and later in filing cabinets of the GO.

All Telex communications were processed through his messengers.
These Telexes were coded and sent to: Los Angeles, United States
Guardian's Office, Folo, RONY, Africa, Henning Heldt, Arthur Maren, Jane
Kember and other individuals and locations. Telexes were sent to all
Guardian Offices worldwide. One Telex from LRH questioned Mayor
Cazares' educational background. He discovered this information through
a private investigator.

LRH declared people Suppressive Persons if they escaped from
Scientology. He sent Telexes to the Guardian's Office listing the SP's.
I have seen names of people declared SP's by LRH.

In February, 1976 Hubbard left for New York. I performed the same
)duties of coding and decoding messages for the Guardian's Office. I
received many messages from Hubbard. When Hubbard was in La Qunita,
California, I continued to code and decode messages from Hubbard to the
Guardian's Office seven days a week until August 1977.

In August 1977 I refused to perform a certain order and was sent to
the galley, where I performed menial labor until I emotionally broke
apart and was sent to the Rehabilitation Project Force (RPF) on the
direct orders of Hubbard.

In the RPF you were labeled 'treasonous' and force to work 18 hours
a day, 7 days a week, and oftentimes received only 'rice and beans' and
water. During this time I personally observed a person chained to pipes
in the boiler room in the Fort Harrison building for a period of weeks.
In the RPF I saw people screaming and crying during the constant
'auditing' on the E-meter. The E-meter is a lie detector used during
auditing. RPF prisoners were forced to undergo 'auditing' in order to
'audit out' their evil purposes against Hubbard and Scientology. I
cried virtually the whole time I was in the RPF.

Finally, in November 1977 I decided I had to escape. At
approximately 4:30 a.m. I stole the keys from a guard who was sleeping
at the door to the storage area where we slept. I crawled through an
air duct on my stomach, where I observed the telephone in the lobby. I
saw no one, ran to the telephone, and called my father and told him of
the situation. He told me he would send my uncle to come and get me and
take me to Fort Lauderdale. I convinced the officers in the RPF that my
uncle was a VIP for the Miami Dolphins (which was not true), and that if
they refused his request to visit, that might cause bad public
relations. Finally, with my uncle's assistance, I escaped and flew back
to Las Vegas.

Approximately two weeks after I returned to Las Vegas, two of
Hubbards's agents came to my house and told me that Hubbard wanted to
see me. I told them I would never return. They then asked if I would
go for a cup of coffee with them. After a short while I agreed to have
coffee. I got in the car, in the front seat, and sat between the two
agents. After driving a few minutes, I noticed we were driving to the
highway, and I asked where we were going. They told me I was being
taken to Los Angeles to see Hubbard.

In Los Angeles I was locked in a room and forced to undergo a
'security check' on the E-meter. I was very scared and crying, and told
them I had a family reunion to go to during the Holidays. I told them I
had relatives on the police department in Las Vegas, and that I would
come back after the Holidays. I convinced them to release me, and I
returned home by bus. For weeks after I arrived home, they constantly
called me to find out when I would return. I said Never!

I was in Scientology from the age of 13 to the age of 18. I
received at some times approximately $2.50 a week pay, and at other
times approximately $17.50 a week. I received no education, and in fact
phony classrooms were set up in Florida to demonstrate to educational
officials of Clearwater from knowing we were living and sleeping on the
floor in hallways and storage areas, sometimes without mattresses.

The Organization currently has approximately $800.00 of my personal
property. When I demanded it be returned to me, they sent me a bill for
the amount of $58,000, which I returned to them, and they thereafter
sent me a 'corrected' bill for $36,005.70, which I have attached to this
statement.

In December 1979, after a class action suit was brought by former
members of Scientology, I received an 'Amnesty Proclamation', which I
have also attached. It is possible that some former members of
Scientology may be deceived by this Amnesty and return to Scientology.
I feel frightened for them because I know what it is like inside
Scientology. I just hope the public learns what Hubbard is really
doing.

The facts, of which I have personal knowledge, set forth in the
foregoing affidavit are true. Facts of which I do not have personal
knowledge, I believe to be true based on my best information and belief.
The dates stated herein cover many years and represent my best memory,
but I am not precisely certain of their accuracy.

Signed under the pain and penalties of perjury this day of January
25, 1980.

Tonja C. Burden of Las Vegas, Nevada

Eldonbraun

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Jan 24, 2006, 5:35:27 AM1/24/06
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wbarwell wrote:
> chuckbeatty77 @aol.com wrote:
>
> > Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> > had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> > about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
> > And now he is laying very low.
> >
> > Chuck Beatty
> > 412-260-1170
>
> One can stand only so much abuse and the realization that
> as long as DM lives, life at the top in Scientology will
> always be miserable, fruitless, dead end, numbing.
> Another escape from Happyland.
>
> Good luck on your new life, Marty.

Indeed, Marty. And one of these days, after you've licked your wounds,
if it dawns on you how badly you were used and abused -- not to mention
required to transmit DM's sadistic BS down the pecking order -- call
Chuck, or get in touch with Arnie Lerma or Tory. There are many who
sympathize and will lend a discreet ear.

banchukita

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Jan 24, 2006, 6:00:09 AM1/24/06
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Thanks for posting this, Chuck.

I am concerned for this guy's health, as we all should be. His
inner-circle status made him privy to intimate personal knowledge of DM
and the overall fraud, and I'm sure his disappearance would be
considered a threat.

Do you think they maybe pulled some PIs off other posts and are
desperately looking for Mr. Rathbun?

(Did he go to Bugravia with his pockets full of artillery and bribe the
police?)

Or maybe they found him. And that's why no one has said they've heard
from him?

Now, where's Warren?


-maggie, human being

RolandRB

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Jan 24, 2006, 7:54:11 AM1/24/06
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chuckbeatty77 @aol.com wrote:
> Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.

He must have overts against the Church of Scientology. That is the only
reason a staff member blows.

> And now he is laying very low.

To avoid the "experienced assassins", perhaps.

"When you move off a point of power, pay all your obligations on the
nail, empower all your friends completely and move off with your
pockets full of artillery, potential blackmail on every erstwhile
rival, unlimited funds in your private account and the addresses of
experienced assassins and go live in Bulgravia and bribe the police." -
L. Ron Hubbard, The Responsibility of Leaders, HCO PL 12 Feb 1967.

Larry T.

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Jan 24, 2006, 8:46:09 AM1/24/06
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"chuckbeatty77 @aol.com" <chuckb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1138090744.6...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Thanks Chuck for this report. It would be nice to have more information
about Marty Rathbun too. That is surprising that a high up executive like
that it seems almost overnight departs the church. Some hefty things must be
aloft in the C of S these days.

I may give you a call one day just to say hello if nothing else and "Good
Roads Fair Weather". But for now, thanks for reporting about Marty Rathbun.

--
http://mysite.verizon.net/toomajan
Larry


Heffer

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Jan 24, 2006, 9:21:15 AM1/24/06
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On 24 Jan 2006 00:19:04 -0800, "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
<chuckb...@aol.com> wrote:

>Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
>had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
>about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
>And now he is laying very low.

He's got a lot he could say to the authorities about Scientology's
perversion of justice in a few court cases.

---
Heffer, OSA Lackey, H-Group
#315905 on the Dorian List
Regurgitating Propagandist

RolandRB

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Jan 24, 2006, 9:28:04 AM1/24/06
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Heffer wrote:
> On 24 Jan 2006 00:19:04 -0800, "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
> <chuckb...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> >had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> >about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
> >And now he is laying very low.
>
> He's got a lot he could say to the authorities about Scientology's
> perversion of justice in a few court cases.

That's if the "experienced assassins" don't get to him first, as per
Church policy.

Dave Touretzky

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Jan 24, 2006, 10:22:50 AM1/24/06
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In article <1138090744.6...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,

chuckbeatty77 @aol.com <chuckb...@aol.com> wrote:
>Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
>had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
>about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
>And now he is laying very low.

Well, as we know, there are several Marty Rathbuns. I believe Henson
still has two or three in vats out at Alcor. So it won't be a problem
to defrost one and fill the vacancy.

But as for the one who's gone missing... I don't think DM has the
balls to assassinate anybody. He's no LRH; not by a long shot. So
he'll probably try to bribe the guy to lay low, or at least agree to
leave him alone if he keeps away from the press and promises not to
write his memoirs.

But for all we know, he could already be living in Chuck's basement,
pounding out his life story on an old IBM PC.

-- Dave Touretzky: "Based on the works of L. Ron Hubbard, naturally."
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets

Zinj

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Jan 24, 2006, 10:26:09 AM1/24/06
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In article <43d6464a$1...@news2.lightlink.com>, d...@cs.cmu.edu says...

<snip>



> But for all we know, he could already be living in Chuck's basement,
> pounding out his life story on an old IBM PC.
>
> -- Dave Touretzky: "Based on the works of L. Ron Hubbard, naturally."
> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets

Or in the Freezone hammering it out on a Kaypro :)

Zinj
--
Katie came for the Tom; not for the Ron
It's always bait and switch.

Rev. David Rice, Esq.

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Jan 24, 2006, 10:26:57 AM1/24/06
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On 24 Jan 2006 00:19:04 -0800, "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
<chuckb...@aol.com> wrote:

> Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
> And now he is laying very low.

Hiding in fear of his life I suspect.

> Chuck Beatty
> 412-260-1170

---
http://lastliberal.org / I support privatization of religion.
Free random & sequential signature changer http://holysmoke.org/sig
"Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby."

barb

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Jan 24, 2006, 11:28:02 AM1/24/06
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chuckbeatty77 @aol.com wrote:

Whoa...that's huge, if true! How low can he go?

--
--Bar Baba 'limbOT'
Chaplain,ARSCC
xenu...@netscape.net

"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release
form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance."
This assistance might involve holding you against your
will for an indefinite period, isolating you from
friends and family, and denying you access to
appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed
for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not,
the release form absolves your caretakers of all
responsibility for your suffering and death.

Welcome to the Church of Scientology."

--Dr. Dave Touretzky
Peter Alexander

Rev. David Rice, Esq.

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Jan 24, 2006, 11:36:46 AM1/24/06
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:28:02 -0800, barb <xenu...@netscape.net>
wrote:

> chuckbeatty77 @aol.com wrote:

> > Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> > had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> > about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
> > And now he is laying very low.
> >
> > Chuck Beatty
> > 412-260-1170

> Whoa...that's huge, if true! How low can he go?

But DM will insist Rathbun was only the janitor.

> --
> --Bar Baba 'limbOT'
> Chaplain,ARSCC
> xenu...@netscape.net
>
> "Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release
> form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance."
> This assistance might involve holding you against your
> will for an indefinite period, isolating you from
> friends and family, and denying you access to
> appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed
> for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not,
> the release form absolves your caretakers of all
> responsibility for your suffering and death.
>
> Welcome to the Church of Scientology."
>
> --Dr. Dave Touretzky
> Peter Alexander
>

---

Rev. Norle Enturbulata

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"barb" <xenu...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> chuckbeatty77 @aol.com wrote:
>
>> Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
>> had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
>> about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
>> And now he is laying very low.
>>
>> Chuck Beatty
>> 412-260-1170
>>
> Whoa...that's huge, if true! How low can he go?

Hi folks, and welcome to this week's Scieno Limbo!

Today, in his effort to walk under the 'known' limbo bar level of the great
L. Ron Hubbard (hip, hip, hooray! says the audience), here comes... Davey
Mixcabbage! (audience cheers)

Oh, crap. The bar's only low enough now for Tom Cruise to pass under, and a
few disowned children of Sea Org members!

Zinj

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Jan 24, 2006, 12:37:24 PM1/24/06
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In article <43d6...@news2.lightlink.com>, deser...@ho-tmail.com
says...

> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:28:02 -0800, barb <xenu...@netscape.net>
> wrote:
>
> > chuckbeatty77 @aol.com wrote:
>
> > > Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> > > had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> > > about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
> > > And now he is laying very low.
> > >
> > > Chuck Beatty
> > > 412-260-1170
>
> > Whoa...that's huge, if true! How low can he go?
>
> But DM will insist Rathbun was only the janitor.

Considering the proportion of Scientology that is pure trash, the post
of 'janitor' is ultimately powerful.

Message has been deleted

Zinj

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Jan 24, 2006, 2:04:55 PM1/24/06
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In article <68sct1pj9rsl68jdc...@4ax.com>, root@127.1
says...
> In <43d63620....@news2.lightlink.com>, hef...@scientologylies.com

> (Heffer) wrote:
>
> >On 24 Jan 2006 00:19:04 -0800, "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
> ><chuckb...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> >>had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> >>about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
> >>And now he is laying very low.
> >
> >He's got a lot he could say to the authorities about Scientology's
> >perversion of justice in a few court cases.
>
> But only if granted immunity, seeing how he was a participant and all.

Sure. Give him immunity, provided he provides full and accurate
information. Probably even more important for him will be protection
from Barbara Schwarz.

Zinj
--
Scientology: Come for the placebo; stay for the mind fuck.

Rev. Norle Enturbulata

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Jan 24, 2006, 2:44:31 PM1/24/06
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<root@127.1> wrote in message
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>>On 24 Jan 2006 00:19:04 -0800, "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
>><chuckb...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
>>>had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
>>>about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
>>>And now he is laying very low.
>>
>>He's got a lot he could say to the authorities about Scientology's
>>perversion of justice in a few court cases.
>
> But only if granted immunity, seeing how he was a participant and all.

Marty's got a choice between continuing to be a hiding weasel living in
fear, or a brave man.

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*
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*
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Jan 24, 2006, 4:33:17 PM1/24/06
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:30:08 -0800, auto2629 wrote:

> Rumors are saying that you are a p$ych troll who suffers from insomnia,
> CB.

Rumors are also saying that I am a sexually repressed homosexual still
living in my mothers basement. But lets stick to the facts here.

>
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> "I made a web site to inform others about my concerns. It is not
> unbiased or objective, and it never claimed it was." --
> Andreas Heldal-Lund (arrested Andreas Heldal-Lund, associate to
> convicted terrorist Lars Gule and owner of hate website Clambake)
> -- Heldal-Lund is a member of the Heathen Society of Norway, a hate
> group dedicated to the destruction of all organized religion,
> particularly Christianity.
>
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> "My money comes mostly from the US government, not corporations. So if
> we raise taxes and hike the NSF and NIH and DARPA budgets, that would
> be to my benefit...I am already overpaid." --David Stuart Touretzky
> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Barbara Schwarz

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Jan 24, 2006, 5:19:30 PM1/24/06
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Chuck, that can't be the original Marty Rathbun. He never would blow.
Just like I never would blow. Marty is the man who changes conditions
to make them better. He doesn't run off. He stays till whatever needs
handling is handled. There is no instablity in him. He makes a decision
and sticks to it. Period.

It it is true that a Marty blew, than it is not the Marty who I know.
Moreover, the original Marty is highly intelligent, educated and
trained. Why would be work in a mill? Nothing against working in a mill
but it would be a waste of his abilities.

Either your info is not true, Chuck, or it is about another Marty.
Please post who provided you with the information, because I would love
more information on Mark or Marty Rathbun.

It is also completely unclear why the other Marty has to "lay low". The
orgs already discovered that he blew, if he blew. What is the "laying
low" about?


Barbara Schwarz
--
http://www.thunderstar.net/~Schwarz/
(I am concerned about Dave Touretzky's actitivies.)

Other interesting websites:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/
(About Valerie Emanuel, "Eru Avatar"-suspect, who says she is insane.
Eru stalks, defames and abuses me.)
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/emanuelv1.html
http://www.alarmgermany.org/
http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/sitemap.htm
http://www.cchr.org
http://www.datafilter.com/mc
http://www.freespeechstore.com/
http://www.amatterofjustice.org/amoj/00index.cfm

Barbara Schwarz

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Jan 24, 2006, 5:22:50 PM1/24/06
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chuckbeatty77 @aol.com wrote:
> Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
> And now he is laying very low.
>
> Chuck Beatty
> 412-260-1170


chuckbeatty77 @aol.com wrote:
> Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
> And now he is laying very low.
>
> Chuck Beatty
> 412-260-1170

Here is a P.S. The 1991 affidavit that Mark C. Rathbun wrote was
recently posted.
Why would a man with his intelligence, education, knowledge and skills
work in a mill?

Barbara Schwarz

olih...@yahoo.com

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Jan 24, 2006, 5:23:36 PM1/24/06
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Barbara, just out of curiosity, are you a member of the Church of
Scientology in good standing? I mean, is there an org that you belong
to, where you attend services, continue in your studies? I heard that
the the "church" kicked you out; but you say that isn't true. All I
want to do is understand you when you say that you, "would never blow."

Barbara Schwarz

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Jan 24, 2006, 5:26:58 PM1/24/06
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wbarwell wrote:
> chuckbeatty77 @aol.com wrote:
>
> > Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> > had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> > about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
> > And now he is laying very low.
> >
> > Chuck Beatty
> > 412-260-1170
>
> One can stand only so much abuse and the realization that
> as long as DM lives, life at the top in Scientology will
> always be miserable, fruitless, dead end, numbing.
> Another escape from Happyland.
>
> Good luck on your new life, Marty.

You can bad your entheta soul on it, Willy, that the real Marty Rathbun
NEVER will join you fanatical anti-religious extremists and p$ych
trolls, NEVER!

Barbara Schwarz

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Jan 24, 2006, 5:27:41 PM1/24/06
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wbarwell wrote:
> chuckbeatty77 @aol.com wrote:
>
> > Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> > had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> > about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
> > And now he is laying very low.
> >
> > Chuck Beatty
> > 412-260-1170
>
> One can stand only so much abuse and the realization that
> as long as DM lives, life at the top in Scientology will
> always be miserable, fruitless, dead end, numbing.
> Another escape from Happyland.
>
> Good luck on your new life, Marty.

You can bet your own entheta thetan on it, Willy, that the real Marty

Barbara Schwarz

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Jan 24, 2006, 5:31:35 PM1/24/06
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Eldonbraun wrote:
> wbarwell wrote:
> > chuckbeatty77 @aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> > > had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> > > about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
> > > And now he is laying very low.
> > >
> > > Chuck Beatty
> > > 412-260-1170
> >
> > One can stand only so much abuse and the realization that
> > as long as DM lives, life at the top in Scientology will
> > always be miserable, fruitless, dead end, numbing.
> > Another escape from Happyland.
> >
> > Good luck on your new life, Marty.
>
> Indeed, Marty. And one of these days, after you've licked your wounds,

He is no animal. You are one.

> if it dawns on you how badly you were used and abused --

Marty doesn't allow anybody to abuse and use him. It is not his
tonelevel.

> not to mention
> required to transmit DM's sadistic BS down the pecking order -- call
> Chuck, or get in touch with Arnie Lerma or Tory.

Marty is remarkably intelligent and Chuck, Arnie and Tory are not. Why
would he call stupid and suppressive people?

>There are many who
> sympathize and will lend a discreet ear.

The real Marty despises people who are friends with Nazis. (Google
Arnie Lerma and Willis Carto.)

Barbara Schwarz

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Jan 24, 2006, 5:38:14 PM1/24/06
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banchukita wrote:
> chuckbeatty77 @aol.com wrote:
> > Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> > had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> > about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
> > And now he is laying very low.
> >
> > Chuck Beatty
> > 412-260-1170
>
> Thanks for posting this, Chuck.
>
> I am concerned for this guy's health, as we all should be.

Nobody is as concerned about him as I am. Being in Scientology or even
having blown does not endanger anybody's health but what if the real
Marty was indeed framed and is wrongfully incarcerated with wardens,
inmate and p$ychs torturing him?

>His
> inner-circle status made him privy to intimate personal knowledge of DM
> and the overall fraud, and I'm sure his disappearance would be
> considered a threat.
>
> Do you think they maybe pulled some PIs off other posts and are
> desperately looking for Mr. Rathbun?

Didn't Chuck post that one of the Marty's is in Colorado taking care of
family business?
A IRS guy once wrote me that there is indeed a Marty C. Rathbun in
Colorado, as if the C of S would not know that, if that person was one
of the Marty's that were/are in Scientology.

>
> (Did he go to Bugravia with his pockets full of artillery and bribe the
> police?)

I think that is what you have in your pockets and what you do when you
see police, Maggie.


>
> Or maybe they found him. And that's why no one has said they've heard
> from him?

You are not helping, Maggie. For a human being, you are pretty
uneffective.
>
> Now, where's Warren?

I have the feeling he doesn't want you to know.

Barbara Schwarz

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Jan 24, 2006, 5:42:32 PM1/24/06
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RolandRB wrote:
> chuckbeatty77 @aol.com wrote:
> > Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> > had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> > about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
>
> He must have overts against the Church of Scientology. That is the only
> reason a staff member blows.

The original Marty Rathbun is very ethical. Scientology is his
religion. He did and does not commit any overts against SCN. Didn't you
blow from C of S staff, Roland?

>
> > And now he is laying very low.
>
> To avoid the "experienced assassins", perhaps.

I don't trust Chuck's information nor sources. He provides no evidence.


banchukita wrote:
> chuckbeatty77 @aol.com wrote:
> > Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> > had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> > about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.

> > And now he is laying very low.
> >

Posting out of context is not professional, Roland.

Barbara Schwarz

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Jan 24, 2006, 5:48:11 PM1/24/06
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Larry T. wrote:
> "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com" <chuckb...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1138090744.6...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> > had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> > about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
> > And now he is laying very low.
> >
> > Chuck Beatty
> > 412-260-1170
> >
> Thanks Chuck for this report. It would be nice to have more information
> about Marty Rathbun too. That is surprising that a high up executive like
> that it seems almost overnight departs the church. Some hefty things must be
> aloft in the C of S these days.

What makes you think that the info that Chuck and his sources provided
are true?

> I may give you a call one day just to say hello if nothing else and "Good
> Roads Fair Weather". But for now, thanks for reporting about Marty Rathbun.

I still think there is a high probablity that there are/were two Marty
Rathbun's in Scientology. The real one is wrongfully incarcerated and
his impersonator heard that the original Marty could be back soon, so
he blew.

Jack Marshall/Mitchull wasn't L. Ron Hubbard either, and if Ron can be
impostored, it could have happened also to the real Marty Rathbun, who
is an extraordinary man.

I love you, Marty, eternally, don't forget it. (But I mean the
original, no impostor.)

Barbara Schwarz

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Jan 24, 2006, 5:52:08 PM1/24/06
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Heffer wrote:
> On 24 Jan 2006 00:19:04 -0800, "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
> <chuckb...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> >had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> >about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
> >And now he is laying very low.
>
> He's got a lot he could say to the authorities about Scientology's
> perversion of justice in a few court cases.

The real and original Marty Rathbun knows a lot about infiltrators in
Scientology. He handled many of the law suits, and he is not corrupt
but very ethically and truthful.
Why would he lie about Scientology justice to the authorities?

It is very simple. Justice works and is fair when a real Scientologists
conducts it, and it s not when an infiltrator conducts it. The original
Marty is a real Scientologist not an infiltrator.

Barbara Schwarz

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Jan 24, 2006, 5:54:07 PM1/24/06
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There is no policy of L. Ron Hubbard sending "experienced assassins" to
somebody.
Seems that you speak of SEGNPMSS policy. That has nothing to do with
SCN.

Barbara Schwarz

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Jan 24, 2006, 5:55:49 PM1/24/06
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root@127.1 wrote:
> In <43d63620....@news2.lightlink.com>, hef...@scientologylies.com
> (Heffer) wrote:
>
> >On 24 Jan 2006 00:19:04 -0800, "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
> ><chuckb...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> >>had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> >>about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
> >>And now he is laying very low.
> >
> >He's got a lot he could say to the authorities about Scientology's
> >perversion of justice in a few court cases.
>
> But only if granted immunity, seeing how he was a participant and all.

As the original Marty Rathbun is very ethical, he doesn't need any
immunity. He doesn't have your kind of problems, Root.

wbarwell

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Jan 24, 2006, 5:56:15 PM1/24/06
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Barbara Schwarz wrote:

>

>
> Chuck, that can't be the original Marty Rathbun. He never would blow.
> Just like I never would blow. Marty is the man who changes conditions
> to make them better. He doesn't run off. He stays till whatever needs
> handling is handled. There is no instablity in him. He makes a decision
> and sticks to it. Period.

He apparently blew. Lots of people blow the insanity of CoS.
He wasn't going to be stupid all his life.


>
> It it is true that a Marty blew, than it is not the Marty who I know.
> Moreover, the original Marty is highly intelligent, educated and
> trained. Why would be work in a mill? Nothing against working in a mill
> but it would be a waste of his abilities.
>

CoS wastes people's talents purposefully.
That is what RPF does.

So DM can sit there and curl his lip in an
arrogant sneer.

What?! You weren't smart enough to figure it out?

> Either your info is not true, Chuck, or it is about another Marty.
> Please post who provided you with the information, because I would love
> more information on Mark or Marty Rathbun.
>
> It is also completely unclear why the other Marty has to "lay low". The
> orgs already discovered that he blew, if he blew. What is the "laying
> low" about?
>

He'd have to lay low to avoid being fair gamed.
Ask Armstrong.

>
> Barbara Schwarz
> --
> http://www.thunderstar.net/~Schwarz/
> (I am concerned about Dave Touretzky's actitivies.)
>
> Other interesting websites:
> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/
> (About Valerie Emanuel, "Eru Avatar"-suspect, who says she is insane.
> Eru stalks, defames and abuses me.)
> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/emanuelv1.html
> http://www.alarmgermany.org/
> http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/sitemap.htm
> http://www.cchr.org
> http://www.datafilter.com/mc
> http://www.freespeechstore.com/
> http://www.amatterofjustice.org/amoj/00index.cfm

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It's all coming down! It's all coming down!
IT'S ALL COMING DOWN!
- Texas Chainsaw Massacre II


Cheerful Charlie

Barbara Schwarz

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Jan 24, 2006, 5:58:53 PM1/24/06
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As the original Marty Rathbun is very ethical, he doesn't need any
immunity. He doesn't have your kind of problems, Joe Lynn. When do you
come clean.
I am not interested in any Marty impersonator, just in the original
Marty. And he is tall and strong and can deal with the kisses that I
will give him when I see him.

wbarwell

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Jan 24, 2006, 6:01:56 PM1/24/06
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Barbara Schwarz wrote:

>
> wbarwell wrote:
>> chuckbeatty77 @aol.com wrote:
>>
>> > Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
>> > had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
>> > about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
>> > And now he is laying very low.
>> >
>> > Chuck Beatty
>> > 412-260-1170
>>
>> One can stand only so much abuse and the realization that
>> as long as DM lives, life at the top in Scientology will
>> always be miserable, fruitless, dead end, numbing.
>> Another escape from Happyland.
>>
>> Good luck on your new life, Marty.
>
> You can bad your entheta soul on it, Willy, that the real Marty Rathbun
> NEVER will join you fanatical anti-religious extremists and p$ych
> trolls, NEVER!

Lots of ex-high ranking CoS members have, Jesse Prince,
Dennis Erlich and more.
Some day, Marty will have to have his say.

--

Barbara Schwarz

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Jan 24, 2006, 6:02:40 PM1/24/06
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Rev. Norle Enturbulata wrote:
> <root@127.1> wrote in message
> news:68sct1pj9rsl68jdc...@4ax.com...
> > In <43d63620....@news2.lightlink.com>, hef...@scientologylies.com
> > (Heffer) wrote:
> >
> >>On 24 Jan 2006 00:19:04 -0800, "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
> >><chuckb...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Rumor line is that Marty is gone (blown). Someone told me they
> >>>had gotten a first hand report that Marty was at the Flag mill for
> >>>about a year up to end 2004. Then, it seems, he blew.
> >>>And now he is laying very low.
> >>
> >>He's got a lot he could say to the authorities about Scientology's
> >>perversion of justice in a few court cases.
> >
> > But only if granted immunity, seeing how he was a participant and all.
>
> Marty's got a choice between continuing to be a hiding weasel living in
> fear, or a brave man.

You are no man, Norle Enturbulata. You are a sorry excuse of a man. You
are Type III, constantly suspected innocent people of doing harm. You
have the tin foil personality.
My guess: you are full with p$ych drugs.
The original Marty Rathbun is very much a man. Compared with him (a
God), you are a remote controlled little nasty bug.

Barbara Schwarz