LIST of Ex-Scientologists who have spoken out (They Spoke Out, You Can Too)
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POST UPDATED: 22 July 09. Was 271 names, Now 400 and counting...
[quote="RightOn"]The following is a list of ex Scientologists that
have left and have spoken out against Scientology.
We are not going to include critics names who are not ex-Scis.
ONLY ex-Scis names who have spoken out in an interview, a testimony,
publicly, in protest, books, articles, or openly on a forum or website
or what have you. Sound fair?
There will be mistakes, typos, and misinformation due to the fact that
it is just being set up and updated.
Names are listed Alphabetically by LAST name.
THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.
IF ANYONE CAN HELP DISPROVE ANY OF THESE NAMES, YOUR HELP IS MUCH
APPRECIATED!!!
THERE WILL BE A QUESTION MARK NEXT TO ANY NAMES THAT PEOPLE CAN'T
AGREE ON.....OR UNTILL IT IS PROVEN OTHERWISE.
And please be patient, this is a very tedious task and all help is
welcomed and appreciated.
*Please check and double check names and facts before submitting new
name.. THANKS!!!!
The purpose of this list is to give courage to others who are still in
to finally leave, or those who have already left to speak out.
Also perhaps those that are still in may recognize a name they may
have known before and are unaware they have left.
It is also important to show how extensive this list is, especially
now that four top execs have come foward.
It shoots BIG holes into Scientology's claims of that there are only a
handful of disgruntled members who have left and have spoke out.
When put all together, it is pretty mind blowing.
Thanks to all that contributed to this list!!!
Any BLANKS that can be filled in, (how long they were in, their
position,deceased etc.. would be helpful)
***IF ANYONE WANTS TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS LIST, PLEASE LET ME
KNOW****
ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE SAYING THE SAME THING...SCIENTOLOGY DOESN'T
WORK!!
[b]A[/b]
Grace Aaron - missing son who disconnected, [URL=http://www.xenutv.com/
blog/?cat=187]Religious Shunning Public Access[/URL] TV 2003
Ken Aaron -missing son that disconnected
Paul Adams -ex Sea Org, 1972-1996 AOSHUK, ITO, aka DumbOldfart,
[URL=http://scientology.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dulloldfart]his story[/
URL]
Vinay Agarwala (SO 1971 -1983 Flagship Apollo, Flag Ft. Harrison,
Clearwater
Bob Ainsworth -resignation letter to COS, [URL=http://
www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html[/URL]name
listed in Reconnection Magazine 1983-4
Peter Alexander )TVII left after 20 years, [URL=http://
www.xenutv.com/interviews/index.html]Interview[/URL]
Gene Allard
Armorel Allen -resignation letter to COS, name listed in [URL=http://
www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]Reconnection
Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
Amy Allen -ex Sea Org, [URL=http://www.exscientologykids.com/amy1.html]
her story[/URL]
James Anderson , left after 25 years,Ex AOSH ANZO DIR I+R / MAA,
Auditor, Patron of IAS, declared , [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/
showthread.php?t=12355]ESMB[/URL]
Steve Andrews-mentioned in Chris Stone's book [URL=http://hubpages.com/
hub/Bard-of-Elys-Scientology-Years], link[/URL]
Mike Argue - left after 12 years, musician, in band Chester,Class Four
Ned,OT VII,auditor,staff,Toronto,[URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/
pickets/toronto/000428gregg.html]story[/URL] [URL=http://
alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?43]Scientology - Through the
Door - Interviews[/URL]
Gerry Armstrong -Hubbard's Household Manager, RPF and RPF's RPF,
[URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/gerryarmstrong5.html] testimony[/
URL]
Jon Atack -left after 9 years,NOTs, Cl II, wrote [URL=http://
www.factnet.org/Purchase_Books/A_Piece_of_Blue_Sky.htm]A Piece of Blue
Sky[/URL]
Brian Auker -resignation letter to COS, name listed in [URL=http://
www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]Reconnection
Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
Vickie Aznaran - left after 15 years
[b]B[/b]
Ildiko Bajnoczi Former scientologist, reached OT 8, [URL=http://
www.anti-scientologie.ch/temo...8.htm#histoire]story[/URL]
Kim Baker -[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/scientology-and-occult/
scientology-calls-critics-nazis.htm]Why Scientology calls its critics
Nazi's,[/URL]
Jean-Luc Barbier
Debra Barnes - OT VII[URL=http://www.xenutv.com/interviews/index.html]
Interview[/URL]
Greg Barnes - OTVII [URL=http://www.xenutv.com/interviews/index.html]
Interview[/URL]
Rizwan Basha - left after 10 yeqars, [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/
showpost....2&postcount=10]ESMB[/URL]
Greg Bashaw - in for 20 years,deaceased,SUICIDE, [URL=http://
www.scientology-kills.org/dead/dead_bashaw.htm]his story[/URL] ? did
he speak out?
Rex Basterfield
Chuck Beatty - left after 27 years, ASI computer Operations Office,
[URL=http://www.lermanet2.com/chuck_beatty/]his story[/URL] Helps
others now,[URL=http://www.exseaorg.com/]1-866-XSEAORG[/URL]
Jim Beebe - worked for the old CAN after leaving - deceased,
[URL=http://www.xenutv.com/interviews/index.html] Interview[/URL]
Heidrun Beer-declared, Austria,suffered from harassment and lawsuits,
[URL=http://www.sgmt.at/scioe/protest.htm#]his story[/URL]
Jason Beghe -actor, spoke in Germany,[URL=http://
www.religionnewsblog.com/21182/jsason-beghe-scientology-brainwashing]story
and vids[/URL]
Elliot Benjamin PHD, left after 2 years,wrote A Comparison Of
Scientology And Judaism 1980, 1977 Pastoral counselor(auditor)Boston,
[URL=http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/personal/
personal10.html]his story[/URL]
Phillip Bennett Wearne -[URL=http://www.xenu.net/archive/audit/
andrhome.html]Board of Inquiry Into Scientology[/URL]
Burt Benz-YouTube video, Why Scientology Wasn't For Me
Magne Berge -Norwegian Sued the Church of Scientology and won
Arnaud Berthemet -[URL=http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/video-1992.htm]
video[/URL]
Isabelle Berts -[URL=http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/video-1992.htm]
video[/URL]
Mylene Beyer -France-ex-sea org, left after 21 years (french radio
interview)
Sylvain Bilodeau , Canada (TV interview)
Ludis Birss -[URL=http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...
01463793011770]Panorama video[/URL]
Michael Blasingame -[URL=http://www.exscientologykids.com/eskforums/
viewtopic.php?t=5812&sid=aeee21dfb1861b8af356c06c5eae27d9]ESKMB[/URL]
Maureen Bolstad -
Frank Bonora- left after 13 years, [URL=http://xenutv.wordpress.com/
2008/04/19/my-youtube-account/#comment-11286]his story[/URL]
Andrew Boone-[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/ex-members-
express-bitterness.htm]Las Vegas Review Journal Ex-Scientologists
Express Bitterness [/URL]
Stuart Boote - 5th in Command at Poole Mission (UK)
Martin Boothby-St. Hill UK, left after 2 years, [URL=http://
www.lermanet.com/exit/sleepingdog.html]INTERESTING STORY![/URL]
Tony Bosnakoudis-[URL=http://www.unchain.gr/]Greece Vs Scientology[/
URL]
Mary Ann Bosnos - [URL=http://www.scientologydisconnection.com/
disconnections.html]her story[/URL]
Roger Boswarva Chaplain London and PES 1967-8, went under cover for
the GO 1969-82, Declared[URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?
t=11823]his story[/URL]
Martine Boublil -held against her will
Jeanne-Marie Boucher -[URL=http://newsblaze.com/story/
20080504063242tsop.nb/topstory.html]story[/URL]
Scott Bradley - fmr Director of Income at the Melbourne Day org,
[URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=7903]ESMB testimony[/
URL]
Kevin Brady-left after 5 years,HQS/Purif,Boston Day, [URL=http://
alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?113]Scientology - Through the
Door - Interviews[/URL]
Patricia Braine -left after 15 years
Larry Brennan -Watch Dog Committee- [URL=http://
larrybren.blogspot.com/]Blog[/URL][URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/
critics/brennan1.html]his story and vids[/URL]
Stacy Brooks Young -GO/OSA staffer, left after nearly 15 years,
[URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/stacyyoung1.html]Declaration[/
URL]
Andrew Brown -resignation letter to COS,name listed in [URL=http://
www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]Reconnection
Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
Tonja Burden Former scientologist, spent five years in scientology as
a teenager , [URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/burden1.html]
Affidavit[/URL]
William S. Burroughs , American writer-deceased-[URL=http://
www.apologeticsindex.org/Naked%20Scientology.pdf]Burroughs on
Scientology[/URL]
[b]C[/b]
Claudine Cabay Chatel -Book: Des Pas Dans Ma Mémoire, [URL=http://
www2.canoe.com/divertissement...25840-jdm.html]link[/URL]
Vernon D. Cain Jr.-[URL=http://www.lermanet2.com/exit/vernonexit.htm]
story in letter[/URL]
Diana Canova -celebrity,[URL=http://www.bible.ca/scientology-poor-
famous-members.htm]link to interview[/URL]
Brian Canup
David John Carter - ex-Sea Org member
David Cecere-[URL=http://www.archive.org/details/
JeffJacobsenDavidCeceredirectorofLisaMcPhersonTrustClearwater1999]story
[/URL]
Isabel Hsin-Yu Chang- [URL=http://home.snafu.de/tilman/mystory/
isabel.txt]her story[/URL]
Jairus Chegero Godeka- [URL=http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/
september-1996-shooting.htm]read this story![/URL]
Tory Christman -left after 30 years-OT VII, EX-SEA ORG, EX OSA, MANY
INTERVIEWS -[URL=http://www.scientology-kills.org/survivors_magoo.htm]
her story[/URL][URL=http://www.xenutv.com/interviews/index.html]
Interviews[/URL] too numerous to list
Julie Christofferson Titchbourne -sued the Church and Hubbard for 43-
million
Neil Clark , Staffer and Sea Org. Scientology - [URL=http://
alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?36]Through the Door -
Interviews[/URL]
Chris Cloutier- ex Sea Org, [URL=http://www.lermanet.us/index.php/view/
articles/chris_cloutiers_situation/]Exposing the Con of Scientology[/
URL]
Kathy Cochran -Kathy Hubbard (maiden) Plecas (1st married name) Dawson
(2nd married name) Cochran In from 1987-2008, [URL=http://
www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=5772]her story[/URL] ESMB
Christie Collbran - ex CMO Africa-declared
Chris Collbran - ex CO CMO Africa -declared
David Cook - OTVII, left after nin years[URL=http://www.xenutv.com/
interviews/index.html]Interview[/URL]
Louise Cook
Bertrand Coquoz - [URL=http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/
soc.culture.quebec/2007-04/msg00546.html]link[/URL]
Alex Cornell -[URL=http://news.google.com/newspapers?
id=1OkLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Q1oDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6642,536439&dq=ex-scientologist]
SP Times Article1980[/URL]
Bent Corydon -the former head of the Riverside mission, Former
scientologist of 20 years and Author of L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah or
Madman
Enrico Costantini -1991-2003 Italy, [URL=http://xenu.com-it.net/txt/
panorama_it.htm]Testomy in Italian[/URL]
Elizabeth Ann Cox- [URL=http://www.lermanet.com/exit/opportunity.htm]
her story,Opportunity Costs and Scientology[/URL]
Kevin Creech - some time on staff, mostly public-in for 29 years, left
in 2004
Agnès Creton -[URL=http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/temoignage-
divorce.htm#H]speaks of divorce[/URL]
Alex Cronin -OTII,resignation letter to COS, name listed in
[URL=http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/
issue01.html]Reconnection Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
John Cullison-left after 10 years,ARC Straightwire, Pro TRs,University
Way / Burien,Seattle, [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/
door.cgi?260]Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
[b]D[/b]
Birgitta Dagnell Harrington -Former head of the Church of
Scientology’s OSA for Europe , [URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/
birgitta.html]testimony[/URL]
Robert Dam
Robert Dardano -former member of the Guardian Office
Caspar de Rijk - former founder and director of Scientology
Netherlands, [URL=http://www.religionnewsblog.com/4828]Mutiny A Dutch
Scientology Orginization[/URL]
Suzette M. Dearing
Bill De Carle- Declared,[URL=http://www.skeptictank.org/gs/sci442.htm]
his story[/URL]
Laura DeCrescenzo
Sue Deutscher - [URL=http://www.scientologydisconnection.com/
disconnections.html]her story[/URL]
Peter Devaney Jr.- Sea Org , left in 1982
Bill Devlin -resignation letter to COS,name listed in [URL=http://
www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]Reconnection
Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
Tom DeVocht -oversaw the church's spiritual headquarters in Clearwater
Mike DeWolf -pretty sure this is a psuedo name?
Ron (Hubbard) DeWolfe - Hubbard's son!-Executive Secretary,Better than
90 percent of what my father has written about himself is untrue. ,
[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/newsherald-
DeWolfe07-82.htm]his story[/URL]
Francis G. Diamond- [URL=http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/
clearwatersun/cwsun-0825-1981.htm]Clearwater Sun Article[/URL]
Roberto Diaz Argentina , [URL=http://mondolinko.lacoctelera.net/post/
2006/03/20/la-cienciologia-secta-tan-absurda-como-peligrosa]video[/
URL]
Stace Dieckman-was Albuquerque Org staff, [URL=http://
www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=12511]his story[/URL]
Anke Dievenkorn - staff,CLEAR, left after 10 years-[URL=http://
www.scientology-kills.org/survivors_dievenkorn.htm]her story[/URL]
Jim Dimcalci - Hubbard's Medical Officer
Kima Douglas-[URL=http://www.lermanet.us/index.php/view/articles/
interview_with_kima_douglas_oakland_california_27_august_1986/]
Interview[/URL]
Jean-Paul Dubreuil , wrote book,'Les Coulisses de la Scientologie'
Jeff Dubron -[URL=http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...
01463793011770]Panorama Video[/URL]
John Duignan - Sea Org 20 years Wrote The Complex
Eric Dumas De Laroque -[URL=http://video.google.com/videoplay?
docid=-5694888509800082473]video[/URL]
Rich Dunning -ex-Deputy to the Executive Director, Church of
Scientology of Buffalo , [URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/
dunning1.html]his story[/URL]
[b]E[/b]
Susanne Elleby -1988 to 1990, Flag in Clearwater, missionaire in
Copenhagen
Hana Eltringham Whitfield -left after 20 years-Ship's Captain, Deputy
Captain, Commodore's Staff Aide, Deputy Commodore of Hubbard's Three
Ships, and part of GO
Dennis Erlich -Former high-ranking scientologist,Sea Org, RPF, left
after 15 years, [URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/
denniserlich1.html]exerpts from his story[/URL]
Juan Esteban Cordero- filed case against COS for progressive mental
conditioning''. He spent more than $167,000 on Scientology-related
courses.
Pierre Ethier -Class XII Auditor. Still practices and audits
Marion Evoy - former Canadian head of Scientology's Guardian Office,
testified in court against Scientology in 1992, [URL=http://
www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/canada/toronto-92.htm]her story[/URL]
[b]F[/b]
Steven Fishman , incredible story. [URL=http://www.xs4all.nl/~fishman/]
Website[/URL] and wrote The Lonesome Squirrel
Richard Ford - [URL=http://leavingscientology.blogspot.com/]Leaving
Scientology[/URL]
Vickki Ford-OTVII, left after nine years[URL=http://www.xenutv.com/
interviews/index.html]Interview[/URL]
Peter Forde - ex Sea Org, [URL=http://www.scientology-kills.org/
survivors_forde.htm]his story[/URL]
Gerhard Förster
Nancy Foster-left after 20 years, [URL=http://www.lermanet.us/
index.php/view/articles/yet_another_voice/]Exposing the Con of
Scientology [/URL]
Martin Foster-left after 28 years, Clear Sunshine rd, South Africa,
[URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?204]Scientology -
Through the Door Interviews[/URL]
Robin Fox- left after 21 years,Auditing, Dianetics, L. Ron Books,
Scientology - [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?185]
Through the Door - Interviews [/URL]
Shiona Fox Ness
Bill Franks -Former international executive director of the Church of
Scientology
Franklin Freedman
Roxanne Friend -She was led to believe that Scientology could cure her
cancer, [URL=http://www.scientology-kills.org/survivors_friend.htm]her
story[/URL]-deceased
Gary Fry - Spent ₤21,000 under the influence of TR drills, got
refunded!
Daniel Fumagalli - 1984 to 1989, Zürich, Copenhagen, LA, Commodore's
Messenger Org
[b]G[/b]
Chip Gallo-left after 12 years,Clear,Staff Status II, fully hatted
Executive Director, PTS/SP Course, Key to Life, Life, Orientation
Course, other admin training,FCDC, [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-
bin/door/door.cgi?8]Scientology -Through The Door Interviews[/URL]
Maria Pia Gardini -OT VIII, Class 9 Auditor[URL=http://www.xenutv.com/
interviews/index.html]Interview[/URL]
Stewart Gardner-left after 10 years,BSM and other basic courses/
Communication release,NY, [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/
door.cgi?239]Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
Sylvana Garritano
Carol Garrity - left after 5 years, [URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/
critics/garrity1.html]Affidavit[/URL],[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/
scientologynews/ex-members-express-bitterness.htm]Las Vegas Review
Journal Ex-Scientologists Express Bitterness[/URL]
Dan Garvin -left 25 years in the Sea Org, 10 years in OSA,[URL=http://
www.lermanet.com/exit/DanGarvin.htm]his story[/URL]
Bob Geary -dentist, scammed by Sterling Management [URL=http://
www.lisamcpherson.org/geary.htm]Akron Beacon Journal Interview[/URL]
Robert Geary -Dentist
Dodie Geary - held for 2 weeks
Dorothy Geary -held against her will, scammed bySterling Management,
[URL=http://www.lisamcpherson.org/geary.htm]Akron Journal Interview[/
URL]
Thea Geenberg , class 6 trained old OTVII, deceased
Madeleine Genesse , Canada (TV interview) deceased
Sheila Gentry : 1975-1986, Sea Org @ AOLA, LRH Comm, Ethics Officer,
staff member, public
Dr. Frank Gerbode -1977-1981,[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/
critics/gerbode1.html]former head of the Palo Alto mission [/URL]
Gitta Gerken -Hamburg, her story- [URL=http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/
survey/ga.ht]Tormented By Scientology[/URL]
Petra Goepfert-ex-Sea org,CLO EU in 1986 and left in 2001,[URL=http://
forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=3517]story[/URL] ESMB,full name
appears on her file
Peter Gilham - Class VIII, OT VII, was with LRH at La Quinta-
[URL=http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=10358294&nav=menu191_2]
KESQ-TV Interview [/URL]with Nathan Baca
Doreen Gillham -ex-commodore messenger,[URL=http://video.google.com/
videoplay?do...01463793011770]Panarama Video[/URL]
Ron Glazier-left after 40 years light contract,VA and Clear,Hollywood,
Los Angeles, [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?17]
Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
Mike Goldstein -,SU/Special Unit or WDC/Watchdog Committee/Hubbard's
Finance Controller, [URL=http://www.lermanet.com/mikegoldstein/]his
story[/URL]
Roger Gonnet
Jennifer Stewart Gorman -raped by top Scientologist supervisor-
[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/tomgorman/gorman-nypost.htm]New York Post
Online Edition[/URL]: news Scientology Sex Assualt Nightmare
[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/tomgorman/tommygorman.htm]story[/URL]
Tommy Gorman - ex staff, -[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/tomgorman/
tommygorman.htm]story[/URL]
Aaron Gottfried Canadian. book : The psychiatrist who cured the
scientologist, [URL=http://xenutv.wordpress.com/2009/06/06/psych-cured-
scientologist/]video interview [/URL]
David Graham -ex-Sea Org member
Bernard Green -[URL=http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/malko/
malko.htm]Interview Scientology The Now Religion[/URL]
Lloyd Greenburg -class 6 trained, old OTVII, deceased
Martha Greene (Creech) -left after 30 years,Cl IV, Clear, some time on
staff-mostly public,Stevens Creek, Mt View, Flag, [URL=http://
alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?86]Scientology - Through the
Door - Interviews[/URL]
Jean-Jacques Greneron - [URL=http://www.prevensectes.com/greneron.htm]
story[/URL]
David Griffin -left after 15. Sea Org, lifetime IAS,CC, LA Day,and
ASHO,[URL=http://www.freezone.de/english/reports/griffin.htm]his story
[/URL]
Pete Griffith , 3 years on staff and 3 years as mission ED in UK,
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/user/pedrofcuk]YT channel [/URL]
Alan Groothius -resignation letter to COS, name listed in [URL=http://
www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]Reconnection
Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
Paul Grosswald - [URL=http://www.archive.org/details/
JeffJacobsenPaulGrosswaldexScientologistinClearwaterFloridapressconference1296]
story[/URL]
Mingyiu Gyatso- left after 10 years, Life Repair,Purification Rundown,
Dianetics, Grade I, various admin courses[URL=http://
alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?136]Scientology - Through the
Door - Interviews[/URL]
[b]H[/b]
Gregg Hagglund , [URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/pickets/toronto/
000513wulfen.html]story[/URL]
Wilfried Handl -Austria 28 years in, formaly high ranking, wrote a
book, a lot of TV, some recitals, [URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/
critics/handl1.html]quote[/URL]
Joe Harrington - deceased,[URL=http://www.ezlink.com/~perry/CoS/
Theology/joeharr2.txt] his story[/URL]
Ed Hattaway - Chiropractor-1992-1995
Tara Hathaway
Jeff Hawkins -in for 35 years -top level- Int. Base Hemet
Janice Hayward -sued the Church of Scientology
Marc Headley
Claire Headly
Michael (Mike) Henderson - left after 34 years,Flag trained Cl. IV, OT
8, IAS Patron,FLag[URL=http://exscn.net/index2.php?
option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=82]his story[/URL], also has vids on
YouTube, [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?179]
Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
Nan Herst Bowers -left 20 years, Declared, [URL=http://www.bible.ca/
scientology-poor-famous-members.htm]link to interview[/URL]
Dallas Hill , born into Scn, ex-Sea Org 98-99 Snr HCO CCInt; 99-02 Snr
HCO Int, his story
Bruce Hines -Sea Org, left after 30 years, [URL=http://www.anti-
scientologie.ch/testimony-Bruce-Hines.htm]Interviews[/URL]
Jack Horner - [URL=http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/malko/
malko.htm]Interview Scientology The Now Religion[/URL]
Lance Hoskins -staff Auckland and ex Sea org,worked at various
orgs,Flag Service Rep. for ANZO in 1989[URL=http://
podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn-20081218-0907-Scientology_-
_former_NZ_scientologists_speaks_out-048.mp3],Radio interview [/URL]
with Mike Ferris
Yolanda Howell - Sea Org, [URL=http://www.spaink.net/cos/mpoulter/scum/
yolanda.html]HEART BREAKING STORY[/URL]
Isabel Hsin Yu Chang
Gaby Hubeny -left after 12 years
Werner Hubeny - left after 12 years
Martin Hunt -left after 2 years,[URL=http://www.suburbia.com.au/~fun/
scn/why/martinh.txt]his story[/URL]
Molly Hutchinson - [URL=http://www.caic.org.au/stories/sc-kids2.htm]
her story[/URL]
Moira Hutchison -SeaOrg East Grinstead, RPF,kidnapped [URL=http://
www.scientology-lies.com/moirahutchinson.html]her story[/URL]
[b]I[/b]
[b]J[/b]
Ariane Jackson -attained highest available level, OT8. Left after 17
years , [URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/accounts/jackson199608.html]
her story[/URL]
Håkan Järvå Swedish ex OTIII,Left after 14 years,TV,papers,works as a
pysch
Rebecca Jessup-left after 21 years,Class VIII, did to OT3 'in', NOTs
'out', NY,London St Hill, ASHO,AOLA , AOSHDK, Apollo,Denver, Ft
Harrison[URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?127]
Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
Mary Johnston -sued the Church of Scientology, settled out of court ,
[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/johnston1.html]her story[/
URL]
Patrick Jost
Pierre Junqua -[URL=http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/video-1992.htm]
video[/URL]
[b]K[/b]
Charlotte Kates -ex Sea Org, [URL=http://www.scientology-kills.org/
survivors_kates.htm]her story[/URL]
Robert Kaufman - [URL=http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/isd/
isd.htm]How I Joined Scientology/Dianetics and Became Superhuman[/URL]
Barbara Kaye - Hubbard's girlfriend while he was married,TV Interview
[URL=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433050/]Secret Lives of L. Ron
Hubbard[/URL]
Casey Kelly -Scientology's finances and recruitment at Flag,spoke at
1982 Clearwater Hearings, [URL=Hearingshttp://video.google.com/
videoplay?docid=8186279418567448370]vid #1[/URL], [URL=http://
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=910912527481253767]vid #2[/URL]
Bryon Kingsley Eckert
Cynthia Kisser -Former Executive Director of the Cult Awareness
Network,[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/kisser1.html]her
story[/URL]
Vivien Krogman - Ex-SeaOrg kid-YouTube Born Into Scientology
Margie Kuentz Hoffman- left after 12 years,teacher,recruiter and third
in command at Harry Palmer's Center for
Creative Learning, Elmira, NY,[URL=http://docs.google.com/gview?
a=v&q=cache%3AUIqrmXBfNmAJ%3Awww.b-org.demon.nl%2Favatar%2Fmisc
%2FHarry-Palmer-and-Scientology-Newspaper-Series.pdf+%22Gale+Lyons
%22+scientology&hl=en&gl=ca&pli=1]story[/URL]
[b]L[/b]
Renzo Lancia --mentioned in [URL=http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/
isd/isd.htm]Inside Scientology-Dianetics1972[/URL]
Don Larson
Bud Lee -[URL=http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/malko/malko.htm]
Interview Scientology The Now Religion[/URL]
Susan Lentsch ex-staff, disconnected, heartbroken mother
Arnie Lerma -joined Sea Org at 16 years old. His Anti Sci [URL=http://
www.lermanet.com/]Website[/URL]
Caroline Letkeman -left after 24 years,[URL=http://www.xenu-
directory.net/critics/letkeman1.html]Affidavit[/URL]
Peter Letterese
Lorna Levett -former head of the Church of Scientology in Calgary,
[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/exit/lornalevitt.htm]Article in Calgary
Herald[/URL]
Hank Levin ,editor of The Free Spirit magazine, deceased
Bobby Lipton - brother to actress Peggy Lipton, [URL=http://
www.bible.ca/scientology-poor-famous-members.htm]mentioned in article[/
URL]
Natasha Lobitsch -Sea Org kid , [URL=http://www.xenutv.com/interviews/
index.html]Interview[/URL]
Jim Logan - [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?
p=45741&postcount=4]ESMB[/URL]
Genny Long -staff Sydney,Auditor, [URL=http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/
ntn/ntn-20081218-0907-Scientology_-
_former_NZ_scientologists_speaks_out-048.mp3]Radio Interview[/URL]
with Mike Ferris
Raul Lopez- [URL=http://www.raullopez.org/lopez.htm]court case[/URL]
Ruth Lorenzen -left after 15 years, [URL=http://
www.whyileftscientology.com/]her story[/URL]
Karsten J. Lorenzen
Chris Lyman
[b]M[/b]
Alex M - 3 years in, one year on staff, 9 months in Berlin, 2 and a
half months in San Francisco, German TV ZDF and XenuTv interviews
Vicky Mackey - left after 26 years.OT VII, IAS Patron, Cornerstones.
Ex staff
Kevin Mackey -left after 26 years, OT VII, IAS Patron, Cornerstones.
Ex staff
Aude-Claire Malton (France, plaintiff in May 25, 2009 trial)
[URL=http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2009/05/21-paris-trial-
i.html]her story[/URL]
Nancy Many - former president of the Celebrity Center and under cover
operative for the Guardian’s Office, OSA and RTC, testified in the
Lisa McPherson trial in 2002-[URL=http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/
index.php?
option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=21&Itemid=249&limit=9&limitstart=36]
testimony[/URL]
Anne Marie Dunning -ex-EO/HCO Executive Secretary, Church of
Scientology Buffalo-[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/
dunning1.html]her story [/URL]
Greg Marlowe , 1975-1978, [URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/
marlowe19890912.html]Affidavit[/URL]
Noel Matarandirotya -[URL=http://home.snafu.de/tilman/mystory/
940131_1.txt]his story[/URL]
Volney Mathison- INVENTOR OF THE E-METER!, [URL=http://
www.lermanet.com/exit/creative-image-therapy.htm]his story[/URL]
Darren May , public and staff. left after 10 years
Scott Mayer Former senior-executive scientologist, left after 12 years
-deceased
Ted Mayett-left after 13 years,Student Hat, Purif, Method-One Co-
Audit, many basic courses,,Las Vegas,Nevada. Both orgs, [URL=http://
alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?1]Scientology - Through the
Door - Interviews[/URL]
Julie Mayo- [URL=http://www.freezone.de/english/reports/e_jmayo.htm]
Her Experience with LRH[/URL]-
David Mayo
Jess McCabe-left after 1 year, TRs & Objectives/HDA, London,
[URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?200]Scientology -
Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
Mike McClaughry - Guardian's Office,[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/
scientology/transcripts/squirrel1.htm]his story[/URL]
Virginia McClaughry -OTVII,[URL=http://www.freezone.org/reports/
virginia.htm]her story[/URL]
Brown McKee -[URL=http://news.google.com/newspapers?
id=mPkNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=THsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6781,3883228&dq=ex-scientologist]
SP Times Article 1982[/URL]
Mary L McKinnon - Staff,New York Org, ASHO and Boston Org between
1968-'78?.
John McLean
Nan McLean -Ontario. In the 1970's she was a major target for
Scientology Fair Game
John McMaster - FIRST CLEAR, [URL=http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/
Shelf/malko/malko.htm]Interview Scientology The Now Religion[/URL]
Stacey Michelle Wentling - left after 14 yrs, Staff WPB Msn '91-92.
Div 6 MM Org '92-95,[URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?
t=3771] her story[/URL]
Melissa Miller
Troy Miranda
Jenna Miscavige -ex Sear Org nice of David Miscavige-[URL=http://
www.exscientologykids.com/admins.html]Exscientologykids.com[/URL],Numerous
Interviews
Douglas Henry Moon -[URL=URL=http://www.xenu.net/archive/audit/
andrhome.html]]Board of Inquiry Into Scientology[/URL]
Brendan Moore
Morton Morvis -mentioned in [URL=http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/
isd/isd.htm]Inside Scientology-Dianetics 1972[/URL]
Pertti Muhli , [URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/muhli1.html]
story[/URL]
Reverend Murray Luther Scientology insider, 30 years in
[b]N[/b]
Tanja Neumann - EX-SeaOrg kid-YouTube: Bori n Into Scientology XENUTV
Gloria Neumeyer OTVII declared SP, [URL=http://www.rickross.com/
reference/sc...y/Scien96.html]Interview[/URL] with the Herald
Sara Northrup - Hubbard's second wife, spoke about about being
tortured by Hubbard
Frank Notaro -assault and imprisonment, [URL=http://www.scientology-
lies.com/franknotaro1.html]excerpt[/URL] from Madman Or Messiah
[b]O[/b]
Adelaide Oakley-left after 3 years,harrassed for 15 years, Clear
(assumed past life clear)/MCSC,Adelaide Day Org, [URL=http://
alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?151]Scientology - Through the
Door - Interviews[/URL]
Helen O'Brien - Cos Exec, wrote, [URL=http://www.clambake.org/archive/
books/dil/Dianetics_in_Limbo.txt]Dianetics In Limbo[/URL]
Bill Offerman-quoted in [URL=http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4513883]
ABC News Interview[/URL]
Frank Oliver
Sean Ostler
Martin Ottmann - Sea Org
Mark Owen Plummer - Former Sea Org executive, left scientology after
14 years-[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/plummer1.html]his
story[/URL]
[b]P[/b]
Tom Padgett -Sea Org, target of fair game practice after he left.
[URL=http://www.xenutv.com/interviews/index.html]Interview[/URL]
David Palter -class IV auditor Toronto
Catarina Sandström Pamnell-
Bobby Parker-left after 4 years,M-1 Co-Audit,ASHO, Los Angeles,
[URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?55]Scientology -
Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
Michael Pattison -OT8 scientologist, left after 24 years, [URL=http://
www.lermanet.com/cos/pattinson1.htm]his story[/URL]
Creed Pearson -left after 26 years, victim of disconnection,
[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/creed-pearson/]his story[/URL]
Rod Pearson
John Peeler (BTs2Free) Former high ranking scientologist
Bob Penny -left after 13 years -co-founder of Factnet,deceased,
[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/penny1.html]his story[/URL]
[URL=http://web.archive.org/web/20070103114143/http://www.xenu.org/
factnet/SCN/FILES/LEGAL/MANYAFFS.TXT]Affidavit[/URL]
Bruce Perkins -mentioned in [URL=http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/
isd/isd.htm]Inside Scientology-Dianetics 1972[/URL]
Elena Peshevska-left after eight years, staff,Course Supervisor and
Treasury Secretary,Skopje Mission, Macedonia from 2000-2008
Dick Peterson-[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/ex-members-
express-bitterness.htm]Las Vegas Review Journal Ex-Scientologists
Express Bitterness[/URL]
Janie Peterson -former member of the Guardian Office,[URL=http://
www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/ex-members-express-bitterness.htm]Las
Vegas Review Journal Ex-Scientologists Express Bitterness [/URL]Dini
Petty -Canadian talk show host
Patty Pieniadz - left after almost 30 years, [URL=http://www.xenu-
directory.net/critics/pieniadz1.html]her story[/URL]
Monica Pignotti ex Sea Org,in six years, Flagship Apollo,RPF,
[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/pignotti19890929.html]her
story[/URL][URL=http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/pignotti/]
Nine Lives in COS[/URL]
Norbert Potthoff Spokesperson until 1987, Düsseldorf Org
Bevan Preece OTIII , Cl IV,resignation letter to COS,name listed in
[URL=http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/
issue01.html]Reconnection Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
Skip Press - now a journalist
Karen [Schless] Pressley - left after 16 years, 9 years as staff
member. Author of a book titled Escaping Scientology.
Jesse Prince -highest ranking officer in Scientology's Sea Org,
[URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/people/jesse-prince.html]witness
in Lisa McPherson trial[/URL]
[b]R[/b]
Kathy Raine-left after 4 years, [URL=http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeta/avatar/
avatar-declaration-kathy-1989.html]Her Affidavit[/URL]
Roland Rashleigh -Berry-left after 5 years-[URL=http://www.xenu.net/
roland-intro.html]What is Scientology?[/URL]
Marty Rathbun - in for over 27 years, top exec- still practicing and
auditing,St.Petersburg Times Article [URL=http://www.tampabay.com/news/
article1012148.ece]SP Times[/URL]
Christopher Reeve - actor, [URL=http://www.cultnews.com/archives/
000129.html]his story[/URL], deceased
Dede Reisdorf -[URL=http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...
01463793011770]Panorama Video[/URL]
Lee Reynolds - staff secretarty treasury
Nelly Reziga (France, plaintiff in May 25, 2009 trial)
Adrian Ribolla -resignation letter to COS ,name listed in [URL=http://
www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue03.html]Reconnection
Magazine 1983-4[/URL][URL=http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/
reconnection/issue01.html]link[/URL]
Mike Rinder -CO OSA Int, St. Petersburg Times Article
Nick Robinson [URL=http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/malko/
malko.htm]Interview Scientology The Now Religion[/URL]
John Roderick Lester-left after 12 years,PRD Class IV, denied
internship, Full pre NOTs OT VII plus audited NOTs etc., London & East
Grinstead, [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?71]
Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
Otto Roos
Ken Rose
Annie Rosenblum -Sea Org, RPF, her [URL=http://www.scientology-
lies.com/annierosenblum5.html]testimony[/URL]
Glover Rowe -D. M. D.,Dentist joined through Sterling Management, him
and wife held against their will, [URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/
deerowe.html]testimony [/URL]
Dee Rowe . through Sterling Managenent, her and husband held against
her will,[URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/deerowe.html] testimony[/
URL]
Martin Ruston
[b]S[/b]
Martin Samuels
Catarina Sandstrom Pamnell - Sea Org,DPF [URL=http://user.tninet.se/
~haj197g/scientology.html]her website[/URL]
Maggie Saunders-declared, [URL=http://www.lermanet.com/exit/
recentdepartures.htm]her story[/URL]
Monica Saxon -[URL=http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/malko/
malko.htm]Interview Scientology The Now Religion[/URL]
Raymond Scapillato - France (book)
Garry L Scarff aka Smurf aka Xenusmurf (YouTube)
Paul David Schofield-left after 30 years,Cl V/FPRD Auditor, Cl IV/KTL
& LOC C/S, Staff Status IV, Exec Status One, Professor,Sydney
Australia,[URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?263]
Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
Carolyn Schofield - lost TWO daughters under COS care! [URL=http://
www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=8344]her story[/URL]
Homer Schomer -Treasury Secretary of ASI
Jeanette Schweitzer
Amy Scobee - Joined at age 14. In over 20 years as manager at the
church's international base in California. Built the network of
Scientology Celebrity Centres[ [URL=http://www.tampabay.com/specials/
2009/reports/project/scobee.shtml]Sp Times[/URL]
Jane Scott
Adrienne Scott -resignation letter to COS,name listed in [URL=http://
www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]Reconnection
Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
Perry Scott , [URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/scottp1.html]
story[/URL]
Phil Scott -[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/scottphil1.html]
quotes[/URL]
Donna Shannon - [URL=http://xenutv.wordpress.com/2007/05/15/panorama-
scientology-and-me/]Panorama Interview[/URL]
Dr. Donna Shannon
Michael Linn Shannon-[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/shannon/]Biography
of L. Ron Hubbard[/URL]
Vince Shlomi - SHAM WOW Fame,Took COS to court 2004,[URL=http://
gawker.com/5191136/vince-shlomi-scientology-complaint]Gawker article[/
URL]
Miss Sieber -correct name?
Susan Simmel
Paul Simmel - [URL=http://w2.hidemyass.com/index.php?
q=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5zY2llbnRvbG9neWRpc2Nvbm5lY3Rpb24uY29tL2Rpc2Nvbm5lY3Rpb25zLXBhdWxzaW1tZWwuaHRtbCNyZXN0YXJ0aGVyZQ
%3D%3D&hl=0]his story[/URL]
Rose Simpson (Singer, Incredible String Band) was mayor of
Aberystwyth, Wales after blowing,
Tim Skog -left after 10 years, former GO/OSA
Kathryn Smith -left after 18 years,Class IV, OTII,Los Angeles,
[URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?268]Scientology -
Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
Tom Smith
Cheryl Sola -left after 13 years,[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/
critics/sola1.html] her story[/URL]
Attila Sonkoly - Ex -SO left after 17 yrs
Thomas Henry Sørensen - Guardian's Office,[URL=http://ocmb.xenu.net/
ocmb/viewtopic.php?highlight=inexcusably&t=17182]his story OCB[/URL]
Giacomo Sotgia
Alan Stafford -resignation letter to COS,name listed in [URL=http://
www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]Reconnection
Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
Sharon Stainforth - [URL=http://www.scientologydisconnection.com/
disconnections.html]her story[/URL]
Allen Stanfield . In for 16 years, out for 9, [URL=http://
www.alanzosblog.blogspot.com/]his blog[/URL]
Valerie Stansfield -[URL=http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...
01463793011770]Panorama video[/URL]
Joyce Stephenson
Mac Stevens -[URL=http://anonforgreatjustice.blogspot.com/2008/12/mac-
stevens-letter-to-fellow.html]Letter To Fellow Scientologists[/URL]
Allan Stewart -resignation letter to COS,name listed in [URL=http://
www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]Reconnection
Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
Alain Stoffen -France (book and lots of TV)
Chris J. Stone- blog,[URL=http://tenthousanddays.blogspot.com/2008/02/
codswallop.html]story[/URL]
Laurel Sullivan - left after 15 years
Teresa Summers -[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/
summers1.html]her story[/URL]
Claire Swazey
Dave Sweetland -disconnecton victim, [URL=http://www.xenutv.com/blog/?
cat=187]Religious Shunning Public TV Interview[/URL] 2003
Eugene David Sweetland Jr.,-original Davis Mission,left staff in 1980
COSMOD, [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=5408#post5408]
story[/URL] ESMB
[b]T[/b]
Andre Tabayoyon -ex Sea Org, many positions, RPF, left after 22 years,
[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/tabayoyona19940305.html]
Affidavit[/URL]
Mary Tabayoyon -Member of the Sea Organisation for 21 years
Susan Talbot -Class V1 Auditor & C/S, There for 15 years, left because
of the forced abortions & abuses.
Jerry Tannenbaum -[URL=http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/malko/
malko.htm]Interview Scientology The Now religion[/URL]
Aida Thomas -Spanish Class VIII Auditor, left after 20 years, Mexico
[URL=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5830006963821958467&q=an
+inconvenien]Interview Global Issues and Answers[/URL]
Rob Thomas- left after six years,ST Hat M1/HRD,Tampa, [URL=http://
alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?228]Scientology - Through the
Door - Interviews[/URL]
Zane Thomas - Sea Org,[URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/
zanethomas.html]imprisonment[/URL]
Robert Thompson- left 30 years on and off,Grades, NED, Level 0, Course
Sup,Ft. Lauderdale and Tampa, [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/
door/door.cgi?187]Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]Sue
Thompson , aka Sue James or Henderson, telex op, left after thirty
years, [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=4835&page=7]
her story[/URL]
Annie Tidman - [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?
p=45741&postcount=4]ESMB[/URL]
Michael Leonard Tilse -Sea Org, left after 27 years, [URL=http://
www.lermanet.com/exit/tilse.htm]his story[/URL]
Lawrence Toomajan-left after 10 years,HAS, SSO,NY FDN, Flag,
[URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?44]Scientology -
Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
Gunther Träger -a member for more than 20 years
Felicia Tyber -mentioned in [URL=http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/
isd/isd.htm]Inside Scientology-Dianetics 1972[/URL]
Gerald Tyber -mentioned in[URL=http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/
isd/isd.htm] Inside Scientology-Dianetics 1972[/URL]
[b]U[/b]
Carmel Underwood - C/S, Power FSM, ED and active Scn'ist in Sydney
'80-'98. Left Scn in '08, [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/
showthread.php?t=7551]her story[/URL]
Ken Urquhart , publically listed as a freezone auditor
[b]V[/b]
La Venda Van Schaick -left after 9 years, [URL=http://web.archive.org/
web/20070103114143/http://www.xenu.org/factnet/SCN/FILES/LEGAL/
MANYAFFS.TXT]Affidavit[/URL]
Mona Vasquez - France (wrote books and Tv appearances)
Rose Velasco-left after 5 years,Life Repair,2PTS Course, lower level
courses,Stevens Creek & Los Gatos, [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-
bin/door/door.cgi?71]Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
Enid Vien- [URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/news/library.php?t=Enid
+Vien]her story[/URL]
Shane Vincent
Tom Voltz -author of Scientology With(out) an End
Stephen Von Hatten -joned through Applied Scholastics, [URL=http://
groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/
5c9cb808958d15ca/cf607c941b660a8c?lnk=raot&hl=en&pli=1]testimony[/URL]
Astrid Von Rönn -more than 20 years, ethics officer,[URL=http://
www.anti-scientologie.ch/truth-about-scientology.htm]Truth About
Scientology[/URL] in German
Cyril Vosper -Fleft after 14 years,former senior officer
scientologist, author of The Mind Benders - Scientology, interview,
[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/vosper1.html]his story and
interview[/URL]
Peter Voßmerbäumer
[b]W[/b]
Melanie Wagner - [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=4840]
ESKMB[/URL]
Margery Wakefield -left after 12 years. Authored four books,
[URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/margerywakefield1.html]Affidavit[/
URL]
Robert Wallace - 10 months-Staff- TTC- Dallas Org
Alan Walter -left after 20 years,[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/
critics/walter1.html]quote from Time 1993[/URL]
Edward Walters -[URL=http://news.google.com/newspapers?
id=PfoNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TnsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6428,5571749&dq=ex-scientologist]
SP Times Article 1982[/URL][URL=http://web.archive.org/web/
20070103114143/http://www.xenu.org/factnet/SCN/FILES/LEGAL/
MANYAFFS.TXT] Affidavit[/URL]
Kelly Wasserman , ESMB
Kenny Wasserman - sued COS and won
Gary Watkins -[URL=http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/malko/
malko.htm]Interview Scientology The Now Religion[/URL]
Frank Watson , Canada,[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/news/198511-
cbc.html]The Fifth Estate TV Report [/URL]
Gary Weber - ex-member of the Guardian Office
Tom Weeks - [URL=http://seaorg.wind.prohosting.com/#falling]Ex Sea Org
[/URL]
Barrie Weller -resignation letter to COS, name listed in [URL=http://
www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]Reconnection
Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
Mick Wenlock -Sea Org, left after 12 years. [URL=http://
alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?34]his story[/URL]
Dean Wentling , left after 14 years, [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/
showthread.php?t=3771]his story[/URL]
Rhett Westerman
Pierre Wetzell , [URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/news/library.php?
t=Pierre+Wetzel]French TV Interview[/URL] [URL=http://video.google.com/
videoplay?docid=1477756518712810414],link to video[/URL]
Jerry Whitfield - [URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/
whitfieldj1.html]his story[/URL]
Hana Whitfield- [URL=http://www.religio.de/therapie/sc/hana.html]
Affidavit [/URL]
Wayne Whitney -deceased
Maurice William Johnson- court case, harrassed,[URL=http://
www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/england/grinstead-cult-061368.htm]his
story[/URL]
Gregory H Williams - OTIV,Scn contributor for 29 years,Flag Trained
Supervisor,ianetics Auditor, [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/
member.php?u=4403]ESMB[/URL]
Richard Williams-left after 1 1/2 years,Purification Rundown and Book
I auditing,Houston Dianetics, Celebrity Centre, Dallas, [URL=http://
alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?41]Scientology - Through the
Door - Interviews[/URL]
Sam Williams- left after 8 years off and on,took courses,L.A. ORG.
AHSO FDN., [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?90]
Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]Homer Wilson Smith -
Kendra Wiseman - ex Sea Org member-[URL=http://
www.exscientologykids.com/admins.html]excientologykids.com[/URL]
Karen Wolff - (also Karen Mitchell and Oram)[URL=http://
www.exscientologykids.com/eskforums/viewtopic.php?t=3129&highlight=]Exscientologykids.com[/URL]
Larry Wollersheim -left after 11 years, [URL=http://www.scientology-
lies.com/people/larry-wollersheim.html]sued Scientology[/URL]
Astra Woodcraft - ex Sea Org-[URL=http://www.exscientologykids.com/
admins.html]exscientologkids.com[/URL]
Lawrence Woodcraft - ex Sea Org member-[URL=http://www.xenu-
directory.net/critics/woodcraft1.html]interview[/URL] and Freewinds
Zoe Woodcraft - ex Sea Org member-[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/
critics/woodcraft1.html]Interview[/URL] and [URL=http://www.xenu-
directory.net/documents/woodcraftz20010124.html]Affidavit[/URL]
Bonnie Woods -former Sea Org staff member, OTIII,[URL=http://
www.solitarytrees.net/pickets/sp861.htm]sued the church[/URL],wrote
book, [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Deceived-Bonnie-Woods/dp/
1903905214/]Decieved[/url], Runs councel service for ex members
Richard Woods -public, husband of Bonnie Woods[URL=http://
www.solitarytrees.net/pickets/sp861.htm]sued Scientology[/URL]
[b]Y[/b]
Scott Yeager -[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/yeager.html]
Affidavit[/URL]
Antoine Young -exscientologist ,wants to hear from his daughter Ashley
Brooke Young, who disconnected from him, [URL=http://
www.scientologydisconnection.com/disconnections.html]his plea[/URL]
Robert Vaughn Young -Public Relations Officer, left after 21 years-
RPF, RPf's RPF, [URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/rvy1.html]
testimony[/URL], deceased
[b]Z[/b]
Sabrina Zimmer . Staff from 1994-2001. Declared.
Barbara Zizic -dentist, sued Scientolgy
Bill Zizic - dentist-sued Scientology
Margo Zumbrich -mentioned in [URL=http://www.clambake.org/archive/
books/isd/isd.htm]Inside Scientology-Dianetics 1972[/URL]
*MESSAGE TO THOSE MEMBERS STILL IN:
ALL THESE PEOPLE HAVE LEFT AND YOU CAN TOO!
This list is incomplete and names will be continually added.
These names are only the people who have spoken out.
There are thousands more who left, and have not come foward to tell
their story yet.
And there are also hundreds more who spoke out who did not want their
names known.
You can find them at Scientology Through The Door [url=http://
alley.ethercat.com/door/index.html]Scientology - Through the Door -
Introduction[/url]
and at [url=http://www.exscientologykids.com]Ex-Scientology Kids[/url]
STRENGTH IN NUMBERS!
THEY SPOKE OUT AND YOU CAN TOO![/quote]
I will not be regularly maintaining that list here. Either go to the
thread on WWP and add the name and any links/info and the OP will
update the list over there. Alternatively, if you don't have an
account on WWP post the info here and I or someone else here will
repost it on WWP (or PM me).
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/12-active-projects/list-all-ex-scientologists-who-have-spoken-out-48237/[/quote]
Operation Clambake Message Board :: View topic - List Of All Ex
Scientologists Who Have Spoken Out
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=31000&postorder=asc
Gregory Hall
news:87daae17-6134-432f...@h11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
From OCMB:
<snipped tedious Tigger posting in its entirety>
Divorced wives often speak out about the evils that they were subjected to
by their ex husbands. But, there are two sides to every story and the
husbands often have quite a different tale to tell.
I don't set much store by much of anything an "ex" says. By its very nature
such testimony is tainted.
--
Gregory Hall
Barbara Schwarz
> "Tigger" <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote in message
Roadrunner posted recently that he knows that numerous people on this
list are still practicing Scientology.
This list contains sure lots of former infiltrators.
But even if Scientology would have just 50.000 members, the percentage
of those who speak out is very very small even
by not cutting off those from the list who are still practicing
Scientology.
Barbara Schwarz
--
Australian anti-free speech activist Michelle Ryan aka "Emma" who runs
a hate message
board is supported by Shirley Jean Wilson aka Tigger from Oklahoma,
former wife of David Koup or Kaup.
Shirley Jean Wilson is also an anti-free speech activist who bombards
Google with wrongful complaints
to stop postings against terrorism and to pressure Google into
violating the U.S. Constitution.
She is a defamer, a cyberstalker and an enemy of free speech.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/a950f8e9378482b5?hl=en&dmode=source
She also posts in support of people who abused and harassed me in the
past as
anti-religious extremists twins Frederic and Dave Rice:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/anti-religious-extremists/fredric-rice/
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/anti-religious-extremists/david-rice/
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/freddric-rice/
Tigger
Probably easier to find people you know on the blog where it's webbed.
From: OCMB
[quote="Sponge"]
Someone has blogged it up:
http://www.blogcatalog.com/blog/ex-scientologists-who-have-spoken-out
And there is a wiki being maintained for it:
http://wiki.whyweprotest.net/List_of_ex-Scientologists_who_have_spoken_out
which is part of the new Project Chanology Research Wiki:
Gregory Hall
news:42ceec08-1d3c-48c9...@k6g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 27, 7:13 pm, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote:
> "Tigger" <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>
> news:87daae17-6134-432f...@h11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> From OCMB:
>
> <snipped tedious Tigger posting in its entirety>
>
> Divorced wives often speak out about the evils that they were subjected to
> by their ex husbands. But, there are two sides to every story and the
> husbands often have quite a different tale to tell.
>
> I don't set much store by much of anything an "ex" says. By its very
> nature
> such testimony is tainted.
>
> --
> Gregory Hall
Roadrunner posted recently that he knows that numerous people on this
list are still practicing Scientology.
This list contains sure lots of former infiltrators.
But even if Scientology would have just 50.000 members, the percentage
of those who speak out is very very small even
by not cutting off those from the list who are still practicing
Scientology.
Barbara Schwarz
===================================================
[REPLY]
You're correct, Barbara. Anecdotal evidence from a small percentage of
malcontents has little standing. Those who hold it up as proof of anything
valid are delusional.
--
Gregory Hall
Peter Schilte
> "Tigger" <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote in message
Message title repaired because extreme fundamentalist Christian and
internet troll Greg Hall changed it.
Peter
"If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any
organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to
cause them to sue for peace."
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 15
August 1960, Dept. of Govt. Affairs
Roadrunner
wrote:
> On Jul 27, 7:13 pm, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Tigger" <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:87daae17-6134-432f...@h11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> > From OCMB:
>
> > <snipped tedious Tigger posting in its entirety>
>
> > Divorced wives often speak out about the evils that they were subjected to
> > by their ex husbands. But, there are two sides to every story and the
> > husbands often have quite a different tale to tell.
>
> > I don't set much store by much of anything an "ex" says. By its very nature
> > such testimony is tainted.
>
> > --
> > Gregory Hall
>
> Roadrunner posted recently that he knows that numerous people on this
> list are still practicing Scientology.
Yes indeed, quite many in fact. but propagandists don't want to hear
about that, in fact, they can't hear it, and therefore they ignore
it...
For example we find Otto Roos on the list, the first ClXII Auditor, he
is 80 years or so this day, still practicing Scientology. And so on,
and so on...
RR
>
> This list contains sure lots of former infiltrators.
>
> But even if Scientology would have just 50.000 members, the percentage
> of those who speak out is very very small even
> by not cutting off those from the list who are still practicing
> Scientology.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
>
> --
>
> Australian anti-free speech activist Michelle Ryan aka "Emma" who runs
> a hate message
> board is supported by Shirley Jean Wilson aka Tigger from Oklahoma,
> former wife of David Koup or Kaup.
> Shirley Jean Wilson is also an anti-free speech activist who bombards
> Google with wrongful complaints
> to stop postings against terrorism and to pressure Google into
> violating the U.S. Constitution.
> She is a defamer, a cyberstalker and an enemy of free speech.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/a950f8e93...
>
> She also posts in support of people who abused and harassed me in the
> past as
> anti-religious extremists twins Frederic and Dave Rice:
>
> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/anti-religious-extremists/fredri...
>
> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/anti-religious-extremists/david-...
>
> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/freddric-rice/
Roadrunner
> On 28 jul, 02:13, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Tigger" <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:87daae17-6134-432f...@h11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> > From OCMB:
>
> > <snipped tedious Tigger posting in its entirety>
>
> > Divorced wives often speak out about the evils that they were subjected to
> > by their ex husbands. But, there are two sides to every story and the
> > husbands often have quite a different tale to tell.
>
> > I don't set much store by much of anything an "ex" says. By its very nature
> > such testimony is tainted.
>
> > --
> > Gregory Hall
>
> Message title repaired because extreme fundamentalist Christian and
> internet troll Greg Hall changed it.
And are you denying that many on the list are in fact NO ex-
Scientologists? That'll be the question...
RR
Roadrunner
>
> POST UPDATED: 22 July 09. Was 271 names, Now 400 and counting...
> [quote="RightOn"]The following is a list of ex Scientologists that
> have left and have spoken out against Scientology.
>
> We are not going to include critics names who are not ex-Scis.
> ONLY ex-Scis names who have spoken out in an interview, a testimony,
> publicly, in protest, books, articles, or openly on a forum or website
> or what have you. Sound fair?
>
> There will be mistakes, typos, and misinformation due to the fact that
> it is just being set up and updated.
> Names are listed Alphabetically by LAST name.
>
> THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.
> IF ANYONE CAN HELP DISPROVE ANY OF THESE NAMES, YOUR HELP IS MUCH
> APPRECIATED!!!
>
> THERE WILL BE A QUESTION MARK NEXT TO ANY NAMES THAT PEOPLE CAN'T
> AGREE ON.....OR UNTILL IT IS PROVEN OTHERWISE.
Oh, really??? I made some notes on your precious list.... Will they be
regarded, I highly doubt it!!!
>
> ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE SAYING THE SAME THING...SCIENTOLOGY DOESN'T
> WORK!!
Many on the list are still practicing Scientologists till this very
day.
>
> [b]A[/b]
> Grace Aaron - missing son who disconnected, [URL=http://www.xenutv.com/
> blog/?cat=187]Religious Shunning Public Access[/URL] TV 2003
Practicing Scientologist that was kicked/declared because she refused
to submit to retraining according to GAT.
> Ken Aaron -missing son that disconnected
Husband of former. Assumably practicing Scientologist.
> Paul Adams -ex Sea Org, 1972-1996 AOSHUK, ITO, aka DumbOldfart,
> [URL=http://scientology.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dulloldfart]his story[/
> URL]
> Vinay Agarwala (SO 1971 -1983 Flagship Apollo, Flag Ft. Harrison,
> Clearwater
> Bob Ainsworth -resignation letter to COS, [URL=http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html[/URL]name
> listed in Reconnection Magazine 1983-4
> Peter Alexander )TVII left after 20 years, [URL=http://www.xenutv.com/interviews/index.html]Interview[/URL]
> Gene Allard
> Armorel Allen -resignation letter to COS, name listed in [URL=http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]Reconnection
> Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
> Amy Allen -ex Sea Org, [URL=http://www.exscientologykids.com/amy1.html]
> her story[/URL]
> James Anderson , left after 25 years,Ex AOSH ANZO DIR I+R / MAA,
> Auditor, Patron of IAS, declared , [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/
> showthread.php?t=12355]ESMB[/URL]
> Steve Andrews-mentioned in Chris Stone's book [URL=http://hubpages.com/
> hub/Bard-of-Elys-Scientology-Years], link[/URL]
> Mike Argue - left after 12 years, musician, in band Chester,Class Four
> Ned,OT VII,auditor,staff,Toronto,[URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/
> pickets/toronto/000428gregg.html]story[/URL] [URL=http://
> alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?43]Scientology - Through the
> Door - Interviews[/URL]
> Gerry Armstrong -Hubbard's Household Manager, RPF and RPF's RPF,
> [URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/gerryarmstrong5.html] testimony[/
> URL]
> Jon Atack -left after 9 years,NOTs, Cl II, wrote [URL=http://www.factnet.org/Purchase_Books/A_Piece_of_Blue_Sky.htm]A Piece of Blue
> Sky[/URL]
Questionable if he says Scientology does not work, had his own group
practicing Scientology starting from the early 80's.
> Brian Auker -resignation letter to COS, name listed in [URL=http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]Reconnection
> Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
> Vickie Aznaran - left after 15 years
>
> [b]B[/b]
> Ildiko Bajnoczi Former scientologist, reached OT 8, [URL=http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/temo...8.htm#histoire]story[/URL]
> Kim Baker -[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/scientology-and-occult/
> scientology-calls-critics-nazis.htm]Why Scientology calls its critics
> Nazi's,[/URL]
> Jean-Luc Barbier
> Debra Barnes - OT VII[URL=http://www.xenutv.com/interviews/index.html]
> Interview[/URL]
> Greg Barnes - OTVII [URL=http://www.xenutv.com/interviews/index.html]
> Interview[/URL]
Listen again to their video's. Greg Barnes specifically validated
Scientology tech on them.
> Rizwan Basha - left after 10 yeqars, [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/
> showpost....2&postcount=10]ESMB[/URL]
> Greg Bashaw - in for 20 years,deaceased,SUICIDE, [URL=http://www.scientology-kills.org/dead/dead_bashaw.htm]his story[/URL] ? did
> he speak out?
> Rex Basterfield
> Chuck Beatty - left after 27 years, ASI computer Operations Office,
> [URL=http://www.lermanet2.com/chuck_beatty/]his story[/URL] Helps
> others now,[URL=http://www.exseaorg.com/]1-866-XSEAORG[/URL]
> Jim Beebe - worked for the old CAN after leaving - deceased,
> [URL=http://www.xenutv.com/interviews/index.html] Interview[/URL]
> Heidrun Beer-declared, Austria,suffered from harassment and lawsuits,
> [URL=http://www.sgmt.at/scioe/protest.htm#]his story[/URL]
> Jason Beghe -actor, spoke in Germany,[URL=http://www.religionnewsblog.com/21182/jsason-beghe-scientology-brainwashing]story
> Martin Boothby-St. Hill UK, left after 2 years, [URL=http://www.lermanet.com/exit/sleepingdog.html]INTERESTING STORY![/URL]
> Tony Bosnakoudis-[URL=http://www.unchain.gr/]Greece Vs Scientology[/
> URL]
> Mary Ann Bosnos - [URL=http://www.scientologydisconnection.com/
> disconnections.html]her story[/URL]
> Roger Boswarva Chaplain London and PES 1967-8, went under cover for
> the GO 1969-82, Declared[URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?
> t=11823]his story[/URL]
> Martine Boublil -held against her will
> Jeanne-Marie Boucher -[URL=http://newsblaze.com/story/
> 20080504063242tsop.nb/topstory.html]story[/URL]
> Scott Bradley - fmr Director of Income at the Melbourne Day org,
> [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=7903]ESMB testimony[/
> URL]
> Kevin Brady-left after 5 years,HQS/Purif,Boston Day, [URL=http://
> alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?113]Scientology - Through the
> Door - Interviews[/URL]
> Patricia Braine -left after 15 years
> Larry Brennan -Watch Dog Committee- [URL=http://
> larrybren.blogspot.com/]Blog[/URL][URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/
> critics/brennan1.html]his story and vids[/URL]
> Stacy Brooks Young -GO/OSA staffer, left after nearly 15 years,
> [URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/stacyyoung1.html]Declaration[/
> URL]
Please provide for confirmation that she says Scientology does not
work.
> Andrew Brown -resignation letter to COS,name listed in [URL=http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]Reconnection
> Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
> Tonja Burden Former scientologist, spent five years in scientology as
> a teenager , [URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/burden1.html]
> Affidavit[/URL]
> William S. Burroughs , American writer-deceased-[URL=http://www.apologeticsindex.org/Naked%20Scientology.pdf]Burroughs on
> (2nd married name) Cochran In from 1987-2008, [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=5772]her story[/URL] ESMB
Doesn't say that Scientology doew not work.
> Robert Dardano -former member of the Guardian Office
> Caspar de Rijk - former founder and director of Scientology
> Netherlands, [URL=http://www.religionnewsblog.com/4828]Mutiny A Dutch
> Scientology Orginization[/URL]
Cl IX Auditor, Practicing Scientologist located in Birega.
> Suzette M. Dearing
> Bill De Carle- Declared,[URL=http://www.skeptictank.org/gs/sci442.htm]
> his story[/URL]
> Laura DeCrescenzo
> Sue Deutscher - [URL=http://www.scientologydisconnection.com/
> disconnections.html]her story[/URL]
> Peter Devaney Jr.- Sea Org , left in 1982
> Bill Devlin -resignation letter to COS,name listed in [URL=http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]Reconnection
> Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
> Tom DeVocht -oversaw the church's spiritual headquarters in Clearwater
> Mike DeWolf -pretty sure this is a psuedo name?
> Ron (Hubbard) DeWolfe - Hubbard's son!-Executive Secretary,Better than
> 90 percent of what my father has written about himself is untrue. ,
> [URL=http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/newsherald-
> DeWolfe07-82.htm]his story[/URL]
He has withdrawn his claims up to 3 times... why are you ignoring
that?
> Francis G. Diamond- [URL=http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/
> clearwatersun/cwsun-0825-1981.htm]Clearwater Sun Article[/URL]
> Roberto Diaz Argentina , [URL=http://mondolinko.lacoctelera.net/post/
> 2006/03/20/la-cienciologia-secta-tan-absurda-como-peligrosa]video[/
> URL]
> Stace Dieckman-was Albuquerque Org staff, [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=12511]his story[/URL]
> Anke Dievenkorn - staff,CLEAR, left after 10 years-[URL=http://www.scientology-kills.org/survivors_dievenkorn.htm]her story[/URL]
If he 'still practics and audits' then WHY WHY WHY is he on this
list?????????
> Marion Evoy - former Canadian head of Scientology's Guardian Office,
> testified in court against Scientology in 1992, [URL=http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/canada/toronto-92.htm]her story[/URL]
>
> [b]F[/b]
> Steven Fishman , incredible story. [URL=http://www.xs4all.nl/~fishman/]
> Website[/URL] and wrote The Lonesome Squirrel
> Richard Ford - [URL=http://leavingscientology.blogspot.com/]Leaving
> Scientology[/URL]
> Vickki Ford-OTVII, left after nine years[URL=http://www.xenutv.com/
> interviews/index.html]Interview[/URL]
> Peter Forde - ex Sea Org, [URL=http://www.scientology-kills.org/
> survivors_forde.htm]his story[/URL]
> Gerhard Förster
> Nancy Foster-left after 20 years, [URL=http://www.lermanet.us/
> index.php/view/articles/yet_another_voice/]Exposing the Con of
> Scientology [/URL]
> Martin Foster-left after 28 years, Clear Sunshine rd, South Africa,
> [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?204]Scientology -
> Through the Door Interviews[/URL]
> Robin Fox- left after 21 years,Auditing, Dianetics, L. Ron Books,
> Scientology - [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?185]
> Through the Door - Interviews [/URL]
> Shiona Fox Ness
> Bill Franks -Former international executive director of the Church of
> Scientology
And where does he say that Scientology does not works????
> Franklin Freedman
> Roxanne Friend -She was led to believe that Scientology could cure her
> cancer, [URL=http://www.scientology-kills.org/survivors_friend.htm]her
> story[/URL]-deceased
> Gary Fry - Spent ₤21,000 under the influence of TR drills, got
> refunded!
> Daniel Fumagalli - 1984 to 1989, Zürich, Copenhagen, LA, Commodore's
> Messenger Org
>
> [b]G[/b]
> Chip Gallo-left after 12 years,Clear,Staff Status II, fully hatted
> Executive Director, PTS/SP Course, Key to Life, Life, Orientation
> Course, other admin training,FCDC, [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-
> bin/door/door.cgi?8]Scientology -Through The Door Interviews[/URL]
> Maria Pia Gardini -OT VIII, Class 9 Auditor[URL=http://www.xenutv.com/
> interviews/index.html]Interview[/URL]
> Stewart Gardner-left after 10 years,BSM and other basic courses/
> Communication release,NY, [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/
> door.cgi?239]Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
> Sylvana Garritano
> Carol Garrity - left after 5 years, [URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/
> critics/garrity1.html]Affidavit[/URL],[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/
> scientologynews/ex-members-express-bitterness.htm]Las Vegas Review
> Journal Ex-Scientologists Express Bitterness[/URL]
> Dan Garvin -left 25 years in the Sea Org, 10 years in OSA,[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/exit/DanGarvin.htm]his story[/URL]
> Bob Geary -dentist, scammed by Sterling Management [URL=http://www.lisamcpherson.org/geary.htm]Akron Beacon Journal Interview[/URL]
> Robert Geary -Dentist
> Dodie Geary - held for 2 weeks
> Dorothy Geary -held against her will, scammed bySterling Management,
> [URL=http://www.lisamcpherson.org/geary.htm]Akron Journal Interview[/
> URL]
> Thea Geenberg , class 6 trained old OTVII, deceased
> Madeleine Genesse , Canada (TV interview) deceased
> Sheila Gentry : 1975-1986, Sea Org @ AOLA, LRH Comm, Ethics Officer,
> staff member, public
> Dr. Frank Gerbode -1977-1981,[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/
> critics/gerbode1.html]former head of the Palo Alto mission [/URL]
> Gitta Gerken -Hamburg, her story- [URL=http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/
> survey/ga.ht]Tormented By Scientology[/URL]
> Petra Goepfert-ex-Sea org,CLO EU in 1986 and left in 2001,[URL=http://
> forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=3517]story[/URL] ESMB,full name
> appears on her file
> Peter Gilham - Class VIII, OT VII, was with LRH at La Quinta-
> [URL=http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=10358294&nav=menu191_2]
> KESQ-TV Interview [/URL]with Nathan Baca
He wrote several books about the profits of Scientology during the
70's
> Doreen Gillham -ex-commodore messenger,[URL=http://video.google.com/
> videoplay?do...01463793011770]Panarama Video[/URL]
> Ron Glazier-left after 40 years light contract,VA and Clear,Hollywood,
> Los Angeles, [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?17]
> Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
> Mike Goldstein -,SU/Special Unit or WDC/Watchdog Committee/Hubbard's
> Finance Controller, [URL=http://www.lermanet.com/mikegoldstein/]his
> story[/URL]
Should be checked for his actual position.
> Alan Groothius -resignation letter to COS, name listed in [URL=http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]Reconnection
> Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
> Paul Grosswald - [URL=http://www.archive.org/details/
> JeffJacobsenPaulGrosswaldexScientologistinClearwaterFloridapressconference1296]
> story[/URL]
> Mingyiu Gyatso- left after 10 years, Life Repair,Purification Rundown,
> Dianetics, Grade I, various admin courses[URL=http://
> alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?136]Scientology - Through the
> Door - Interviews[/URL]
>
> [b]H[/b]
> Gregg Hagglund , [URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/pickets/toronto/
> 000513wulfen.html]story[/URL]
> Wilfried Handl -Austria 28 years in, formaly high ranking, wrote a
> book, a lot of TV, some recitals, [URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/
> critics/handl1.html]quote[/URL]
> Joe Harrington - deceased,[URL=http://www.ezlink.com/~perry/CoS/
> Theology/joeharr2.txt] his story[/URL]
> Ed Hattaway - Chiropractor-1992-1995
> Tara Hathaway
> Jeff Hawkins -in for 35 years -top level- Int. Base Hemet
I don't think I've heard him saying that Scientology does not work, he
however tells about his treatment at Int Mgmt which is another thing.
> Janice Hayward -sued the Church of Scientology
> Marc Headley
> Claire Headly
> Michael (Mike) Henderson - left after 34 years,Flag trained Cl. IV, OT
> 8, IAS Patron,FLag[URL=http://exscn.net/index2.php?
> option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=82]his story[/URL], also has vids on
> YouTube, [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?179]
> Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
> Nan Herst Bowers -left 20 years, Declared, [URL=http://www.bible.ca/
> scientology-poor-famous-members.htm]link to interview[/URL]
> Dallas Hill , born into Scn, ex-Sea Org 98-99 Snr HCO CCInt; 99-02 Snr
> HCO Int, his story
> Bruce Hines -Sea Org, left after 30 years, [URL=http://www.anti-
> scientologie.ch/testimony-Bruce-Hines.htm]Interviews[/URL]
> Jack Horner - [URL=http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/malko/
> malko.htm]Interview Scientology The Now Religion[/URL]
Very active during the 50/60's, helped to develop various techniques.
I don't think he says that Scientology does not work.
> Lance Hoskins -staff Auckland and ex Sea org,worked at various
> orgs,Flag Service Rep. for ANZO in 1989[URL=http://
> podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn-20081218-0907-Scientology_-
> _former_NZ_scientologists_speaks_out-048.mp3],Radio interview [/URL]
> with Mike Ferris
> Yolanda Howell - Sea Org, [URL=http://www.spaink.net/cos/mpoulter/scum/
> yolanda.html]HEART BREAKING STORY[/URL]
> Isabel Hsin Yu Chang
> Gaby Hubeny -left after 12 years
> Werner Hubeny - left after 12 years
> Martin Hunt -left after 2 years,[URL=http://www.suburbia.com.au/~fun/
> scn/why/martinh.txt]his story[/URL]
> Molly Hutchinson - [URL=http://www.caic.org.au/stories/sc-kids2.htm]
> her story[/URL]
> Moira Hutchison -SeaOrg East Grinstead, RPF,kidnapped [URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/moirahutchinson.html]her story[/URL]
> Arnie Lerma -joined Sea Org at 16 years old. His Anti Sci [URL=http://www.lermanet.com/]Website[/URL]
> Caroline Letkeman -left after 24 years,[URL=http://www.xenu-
> directory.net/critics/letkeman1.html]Affidavit[/URL]
> Peter Letterese
> Lorna Levett -former head of the Church of Scientology in Calgary,
> [URL=http://www.lermanet.com/exit/lornalevitt.htm]Article in Calgary
> Herald[/URL]
> Hank Levin ,editor of The Free Spirit magazine, deceased
> Bobby Lipton - brother to actress Peggy Lipton, [URL=http://www.bible.ca/scientology-poor-famous-members.htm]mentioned in article[/
> URL]
> Natasha Lobitsch -Sea Org kid , [URL=http://www.xenutv.com/interviews/
> index.html]Interview[/URL]
> Jim Logan - [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?
> p=45741&postcount=4]ESMB[/URL]
> Genny Long -staff Sydney,Auditor, [URL=http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/
> ntn/ntn-20081218-0907-Scientology_-
> _former_NZ_scientologists_speaks_out-048.mp3]Radio Interview[/URL]
> with Mike Ferris
> Raul Lopez- [URL=http://www.raullopez.org/lopez.htm]court case[/URL]
> Ruth Lorenzen -left after 15 years, [URL=http://www.whyileftscientology.com/]her story[/URL]
> Volney Mathison- INVENTOR OF THE E-METER!, [URL=http://www.lermanet.com/exit/creative-image-therapy.htm]his story[/URL]
> Darren May , public and staff. left after 10 years
> Scott Mayer Former senior-executive scientologist, left after 12 years
> -deceased
> Ted Mayett-left after 13 years,Student Hat, Purif, Method-One Co-
> Audit, many basic courses,,Las Vegas,Nevada. Both orgs, [URL=http://
> alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?1]Scientology - Through the
> Door - Interviews[/URL]
> Julie Mayo- [URL=http://www.freezone.de/english/reports/e_jmayo.htm]
> Her Experience with LRH[/URL]-
> David Mayo
No ex-Scientologists as far we know. Sr C/S Int 1978-82, and wife his
assistant. Own group during 1984-96. Today what they do and
whereabouts unknown.
> Jess McCabe-left after 1 year, TRs & Objectives/HDA, London,
> [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?200]Scientology -
> Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
> Mike McClaughry - Guardian's Office,[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/
> scientology/transcripts/squirrel1.htm]his story[/URL]
> Virginia McClaughry -OTVII,[URL=http://www.freezone.org/reports/
> virginia.htm]her story[/URL]
Virginia is no ex-Scientologist. Husband Mike.
> Brown McKee -[URL=http://news.google.com/newspapers?
> id=mPkNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=THsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6781,3883228&dq=ex-scientologist]
> SP Times Article 1982[/URL]
> Mary L McKinnon - Staff,New York Org, ASHO and Boston Org between
> 1968-'78?.
> John McLean
> Nan McLean -Ontario. In the 1970's she was a major target for
> Scientology Fair Game
> John McMaster - FIRST CLEAR, [URL=http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/
> Shelf/malko/malko.htm]Interview Scientology The Now Religion[/URL]
> Stacey Michelle Wentling - left after 14 yrs, Staff WPB Msn '91-92.
> Div 6 MM Org '92-95,[URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?
> t=3771] her story[/URL]
> Melissa Miller
> Troy Miranda
> Jenna Miscavige -ex Sear Org nice of David Miscavige-[URL=http://www.exscientologykids.com/admins.html]Exscientologykids.com[/URL],Numerous
> Michael Pattison -OT8 scientologist, left after 24 years, [URL=http://www.lermanet.com/cos/pattinson1.htm]his story[/URL]
> Creed Pearson -left after 26 years, victim of disconnection,
> [URL=http://www.lermanet.com/creed-pearson/]his story[/URL]
> Rod Pearson
> John Peeler (BTs2Free) Former high ranking scientologist
> Bob Penny -left after 13 years -co-founder of Factnet,deceased,
> [URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/penny1.html]his story[/URL]
> [URL=http://web.archive.org/web/20070103114143/http://www.xenu.org/
> factnet/SCN/FILES/LEGAL/MANYAFFS.TXT]Affidavit[/URL]
> Bruce Perkins -mentioned in [URL=http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/
> isd/isd.htm]Inside Scientology-Dianetics 1972[/URL]
> Elena Peshevska-left after eight years, staff,Course Supervisor and
> Treasury Secretary,Skopje Mission, Macedonia from 2000-2008
> Dick Peterson-[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/ex-members-
> express-bitterness.htm]Las Vegas Review Journal Ex-Scientologists
> Express Bitterness[/URL]
> Janie Peterson -former member of the Guardian Office,[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/ex-members-express-bitterness.htm]Las
If he is 'still practicing and auditing' then WHY WHY WHY is he on
this list??????
> Christopher Reeve - actor, [URL=http://www.cultnews.com/archives/
> 000129.html]his story[/URL], deceased
> Dede Reisdorf -[URL=http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...
> 01463793011770]Panorama Video[/URL]
> Lee Reynolds - staff secretarty treasury
> Nelly Reziga (France, plaintiff in May 25, 2009 trial)
> Adrian Ribolla -resignation letter to COS ,name listed in [URL=http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue03.html]Reconnection
> Magazine 1983-4[/URL][URL=http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/
> reconnection/issue01.html]link[/URL]
> Mike Rinder -CO OSA Int, St. Petersburg Times Article
> Nick Robinson [URL=http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/malko/
> malko.htm]Interview Scientology The Now Religion[/URL]
> John Roderick Lester-left after 12 years,PRD Class IV, denied
> internship, Full pre NOTs OT VII plus audited NOTs etc., London & East
> Grinstead, [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?71]
> Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
> Otto Roos
Cl XII, 80 years and very active Scientologist. How in God's name did
he end up on this list?????
> Ken Rose
> Annie Rosenblum -Sea Org, RPF, her [URL=http://www.scientology-
> lies.com/annierosenblum5.html]testimony[/URL]
> Glover Rowe -D. M. D.,Dentist joined through Sterling Management, him
> and wife held against their will, [URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/
> deerowe.html]testimony [/URL]
> Dee Rowe . through Sterling Managenent, her and husband held against
> her will,[URL=http://www.scientology-lies.com/deerowe.html] testimony[/
> URL]
> Martin Ruston
>
> [b]S[/b]
> Martin Samuels
> Catarina Sandstrom Pamnell - Sea Org,DPF [URL=http://user.tninet.se/
> ~haj197g/scientology.html]her website[/URL]
> Maggie Saunders-declared, [URL=http://www.lermanet.com/exit/
> recentdepartures.htm]her story[/URL]
> Monica Saxon -[URL=http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/malko/
> malko.htm]Interview Scientology The Now Religion[/URL]
> Raymond Scapillato - France (book)
> Garry L Scarff aka Smurf aka Xenusmurf (YouTube)
> Paul David Schofield-left after 30 years,Cl V/FPRD Auditor, Cl IV/KTL
> & LOC C/S, Staff Status IV, Exec Status One, Professor,Sydney
> Australia,[URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?263]
> Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
> Carolyn Schofield - lost TWO daughters under COS care! [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=8344]her story[/URL]
> Homer Schomer -Treasury Secretary of ASI
> Jeanette Schweitzer
> Amy Scobee - Joined at age 14. In over 20 years as manager at the
> church's international base in California. Built the network of
> Scientology Celebrity Centres[ [URL=http://www.tampabay.com/specials/
> 2009/reports/project/scobee.shtml]Sp Times[/URL]
> Jane Scott
> Adrienne Scott -resignation letter to COS,name listed in [URL=http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]Reconnection
> Alan Stafford -resignation letter to COS,name listed in [URL=http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]Reconnection
> Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
> Sharon Stainforth - [URL=http://www.scientologydisconnection.com/
> disconnections.html]her story[/URL]
> Allen Stanfield . In for 16 years, out for 9, [URL=http://www.alanzosblog.blogspot.com/]his blog[/URL]
> Valerie Stansfield -[URL=http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...
> 01463793011770]Panorama video[/URL]
> Joyce Stephenson
> Mac Stevens -[URL=http://anonforgreatjustice.blogspot.com/2008/12/mac-
> stevens-letter-to-fellow.html]Letter To Fellow Scientologists[/URL]
> Allan Stewart -resignation letter to COS,name listed in [URL=http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]Reconnection
> Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
> Alain Stoffen -France (book and lots of TV)
> Chris J. Stone- blog,[URL=http://tenthousanddays.blogspot.com/2008/02/
> codswallop.html]story[/URL]
> Laurel Sullivan - left after 15 years
> Teresa Summers -[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/
> summers1.html]her story[/URL]
> Claire Swazey
Says that Scientology has evident values.
> Michael Leonard Tilse -Sea Org, left after 27 years, [URL=http://www.lermanet.com/exit/tilse.htm]his story[/URL]
> Lawrence Toomajan-left after 10 years,HAS, SSO,NY FDN, Flag,
> [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?44]Scientology -
> Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
> Gunther Träger -a member for more than 20 years
> Felicia Tyber -mentioned in [URL=http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/
> isd/isd.htm]Inside Scientology-Dianetics 1972[/URL]
> Gerald Tyber -mentioned in[URL=http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/
> isd/isd.htm] Inside Scientology-Dianetics 1972[/URL]
>
> [b]U[/b]
> Carmel Underwood - C/S, Power FSM, ED and active Scn'ist in Sydney
> '80-'98. Left Scn in '08, [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/
> showthread.php?t=7551]her story[/URL]
> Ken Urquhart , publically listed as a freezone auditor
And thus NOT an ex-Scientologist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> [b]V[/b]
> La Venda Van Schaick -left after 9 years, [URL=http://web.archive.org/
> web/20070103114143/http://www.xenu.org/factnet/SCN/FILES/LEGAL/
> MANYAFFS.TXT]Affidavit[/URL]
> Mona Vasquez - France (wrote books and Tv appearances)
> Rose Velasco-left after 5 years,Life Repair,2PTS Course, lower level
> courses,Stevens Creek & Los Gatos, [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-
> bin/door/door.cgi?71]Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]
> Enid Vien- [URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/news/library.php?t=Enid
> +Vien]her story[/URL]
> Shane Vincent
> Tom Voltz -author of Scientology With(out) an End
> Stephen Von Hatten -joned through Applied Scholastics, [URL=http://
> groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/
> 5c9cb808958d15ca/cf607c941b660a8c?lnk=raot&hl=en&pli=1]testimony[/URL]
> Astrid Von Rönn -more than 20 years, ethics officer,[URL=http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/truth-about-scientology.htm]Truth About
> Barrie Weller -resignation letter to COS, name listed in [URL=http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/read/reconnection/issue01.html]Reconnection
> Magazine 1983-4[/URL]
> Mick Wenlock -Sea Org, left after 12 years. [URL=http://
> alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?34]his story[/URL]
> Dean Wentling , left after 14 years, [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/
> showthread.php?t=3771]his story[/URL]
> Rhett Westerman
> Pierre Wetzell , [URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/news/library.php?
> t=Pierre+Wetzel]French TV Interview[/URL] [URL=http://video.google.com/
> videoplay?docid=1477756518712810414],link to video[/URL]
> Jerry Whitfield - [URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/
> whitfieldj1.html]his story[/URL]
> Hana Whitfield- [URL=http://www.religio.de/therapie/sc/hana.html]
> Affidavit [/URL]
> Wayne Whitney -deceased
> Maurice William Johnson- court case, harrassed,[URL=http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/england/grinstead-cult-061368.htm]his
> story[/URL]
> Gregory H Williams - OTIV,Scn contributor for 29 years,Flag Trained
> Supervisor,ianetics Auditor, [URL=http://www.forum.exscn.net/
> member.php?u=4403]ESMB[/URL]
> Richard Williams-left after 1 1/2 years,Purification Rundown and Book
> I auditing,Houston Dianetics, Celebrity Centre, Dallas, [URL=http://
> alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?41]Scientology - Through the
> Door - Interviews[/URL]
> Sam Williams- left after 8 years off and on,took courses,L.A. ORG.
> AHSO FDN., [URL=http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?90]
> Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews[/URL]Homer Wilson Smith -
> Kendra Wiseman - ex Sea Org member-[URL=http://www.exscientologykids.com/admins.html]excientologykids.com[/URL]
> Karen Wolff - (also Karen Mitchell and Oram)[URL=http://www.exscientologykids.com/eskforums/viewtopic.php?t=3129&highlight=]Exscientologykids.com[/URL]
> Larry Wollersheim -left after 11 years, [URL=http://www.scientology-
> lies.com/people/larry-wollersheim.html]sued Scientology[/URL]
> Astra Woodcraft - ex Sea Org-[URL=http://www.exscientologykids.com/
> admins.html]exscientologkids.com[/URL]
> Lawrence Woodcraft - ex Sea Org member-[URL=http://www.xenu-
> directory.net/critics/woodcraft1.html]interview[/URL] and Freewinds
> Zoe Woodcraft - ex Sea Org member-[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/
> critics/woodcraft1.html]Interview[/URL] and [URL=http://www.xenu-
> directory.net/documents/woodcraftz20010124.html]Affidavit[/URL]
> Bonnie Woods -former Sea Org staff member, OTIII,[URL=http://www.solitarytrees.net/pickets/sp861.htm]sued the church[/URL],wrote
> book, [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Deceived-Bonnie-Woods/dp/
> 1903905214/]Decieved[/url], Runs councel service for ex members
> Richard Woods -public, husband of Bonnie Woods[URL=http://www.solitarytrees.net/pickets/sp861.htm]sued Scientology[/URL]
>
> [b]Y[/b]
> Scott Yeager -[URL=http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/yeager.html]
> Affidavit[/URL]
> Antoine Young -exscientologist ,wants to hear from his daughter Ashley
> Brooke Young, who disconnected from him, [URL=http://www.scientologydisconnection.com/disconnections.html]his plea[/URL]
> repost it on WWP (or PM me).http://forums.whyweprotest.net/12-active-projects/list-all-ex-sciento...[/quote]
Peter Schilte
I opt for the possibility that they left the greedy organization that
abuses people and calls itself "church" of scientology and continue in
the Free Zone.
Lawrence Toomajan
news:96713cb1-2c13-4296...@y19g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
On 28 Juli, 01:51, Tigger <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote:
(SNIP)
> Pierre Ethier -Class XII Auditor. Still practices and audits
(SNIP)
Yes. But if he left Scientology then why does he still try
to practice it daily and is unable to convince the church
he is correct for doing so and they are wrong for not
letting him do so?
Answer? He and they are both a little crazy.
He audited all the people that ripped me off.
--
Read the "Diary of a Scientologist"
http://mysite.verizon.net/toomajan/
Lawrence
Roadrunner
Just you opt for the possibility that they found values within the
subject of Scientology/Dianetics. But can you say that like this,
probably not.
Roadrunner
> "Roadrunner" <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:96713cb1-2c13-4296...@y19g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> On 28 Juli, 01:51, Tigger <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> (SNIP)
>
> > Pierre Ethier -Class XII Auditor. Still practices and audits
>
> (SNIP)
>
> Yes. But if he left Scientology then why does he still try
> to practice it daily and is unable to convince the church
> he is correct for doing so and they are wrong for not
> letting him do so?
Irrelevant, placing him on the list is incorrect..
RR
Lawrence Toomajan
On 28 Juli, 17:59, "Lawrence Toomajan" <thedi...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Roadrunner" <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:96713cb1-2c13-4296...@y19g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> On 28 Juli, 01:51, Tigger <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> (SNIP)
>
> > Pierre Ethier -Class XII Auditor. Still practices and audits
>
> (SNIP)
>
> Yes. But if he left Scientology then why does he still try
> to practice it daily and is unable to convince the church
> he is correct for doing so and they are wrong for not
> letting him do so?
**Irrelevant, placing him on the list is incorrect..
**RR
I don't think so. This alleged list sure does not
confuse me.
--
Read the "Diary Of A Scientologist"
http://mysite.verizon.net/toomajan/
Lawrence
Tigger
progress, mistakes can be (and usually are) made.
Notify them of the mistake(s) and if there is ample proof to support
"claims", no doubt the list will be adjusted to correct mistakes,
whether they be people who should not be on the list or people who
should be on the list.
Tigger
l.l.lipshitz
<roadrunn...@gmail.com> wrote in
<115b617d-311c-4168...@c14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:
[...]
| > Roadrunner posted recently that he knows that numerous people on this
| > list are still practicing Scientology.
|
| Yes indeed, quite many in fact. but propagandists don't want to hear
| about that, in fact, they can't hear it, and therefore they ignore
| it...
|
| For example we find Otto Roos on the list, the first ClXII Auditor, he
| is 80 years or so this day, still practicing Scientology. And so on,
| and so on...
that's 1. is that what you consider 'quite many'?
please point out the others who are still practicing
scn. we wouldn't want our list to be inaccurate....
[...]
--
-elle
--------=[ l.l.lipshitz * elkube(at)lycos(dot)com ]=--------
usenet disproves the infinite-monkey theorem
Tigger
Correcting thread title.
Barbara Schwarz
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Typical for these extreme people to twist the truthm Roadrunner. Rick
Ross fed the media a few days ago with the rumors that John Travolta
would give up Scientology. And what did his agent post? Not so! That
he is a Scientologist for life.
And even if there would be just 50.000 Scientologists worldwide, that
list including all those who still practice Scientology would be a
very very small number.
Barbara Schwarz
Phil Scott defames L. Ron Hubbard by fabricating the worst kind of
stuff about him.
That's why I don't talk anymore to Phil Scott. He is obsessed with
satan crap and defamation.
--
Tilman Joerg Hausherr, from Berlin, Siemens employee webs defamation
on me that he and Korey Jerome Kruse aka Simkatu and
other socks scribbled once on Wikipedia:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/tilman-hausherr/
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/tilman-hausherr/
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/intolerance-hate/whistle-blowers/the-clearwater-letters/tilman-hausherr/
http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/kids.htm#Debate_with_Tilman_Hausherr
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Hausherr&btnG=Google+Search&domains=BERNIE.CNCFAMILY.COM&sitesearch=BERNIE.CNCFAMILY.COM
http://www.alarmgermany.org/tilman.htm
http://cyber-stalker-korey-jerome-kruse.blogspot.com/
http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-156307.html
Jonathon Barbera
<Tiggeri...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>Correcting thread title.
It is the title of the list that requires correcting.
They are all ex-members of the Church of Scientology but not all are
ex-Scientologists.
Peter Schilte
People find "values" in a pimped fridge magnet, called the
BioStabil2000, too.
Your point being?
Peter
"Remember one thing, we are not running a business, we are
running a government.
We are in direct control of people's lives.
But for the first time we are not making victims of them,
we are making them more able.
So bring order into these
people's lives."
- HCO Secretary WW2
© 1975 L. Ron Hubbard Library
Peter Schilte
wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:51:41 -0700 (PDT), Tigger
>
>
> >Correcting thread title.
>
> It is the title of the list that requires correcting.
>
> They are all ex-members of the Church of Scientology but not all are
> ex-Scientologists.
Correct.
Roadrunner
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:07:42 -0700 (PDT), Roadrunner
> <115b617d-311c-4168-a656-64e31fc7c...@c14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:
> | On 28 Juli, 02:29, Barbara Schwarz <BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com>
>
> | wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> | > Roadrunner posted recently that he knows that numerous people on this
> | > list are still practicing Scientology.
> |
> | Yes indeed, quite many in fact. but propagandists don't want to hear
> | about that, in fact, they can't hear it, and therefore they ignore
> | it...
> |
> | For example we find Otto Roos on the list, the first ClXII Auditor, he
> | is 80 years or so this day, still practicing Scientology. And so on,
> | and so on...
>
> that's 1. is that what you consider 'quite many'?
> please point out the others who are still practicing
> scn. we wouldn't want our list to be inaccurate....
But you do want that, why otherwise making such a stupendous error
with placing Otto Roos on the list!!! Figure!!! I did list a variety
others in my first response to Tigger's post on this thread. Take
Caspar de Rijk, David Mayo, Pierre Ethier, Robert Dam, Grace Aaron
etc.. All these substantial errors makes one serioulsy wonder the
other names just put on that list...
RR
Roadrunner
My point being that on top of the list it says that these persons are
all ex-Scientologists, but they are not... YOU CAN'T ACCEPT THAT, AND
THUS YOU MUST IGNORE...
RR
Roadrunner
> "Roadrunner" <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7493db81-79bd-47d4...@26g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> On 28 Juli, 17:59, "Lawrence Toomajan" <thedi...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > "Roadrunner" <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:96713cb1-2c13-4296...@y19g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > On 28 Juli, 01:51, Tigger <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> > (SNIP)
>
> > > Pierre Ethier -Class XII Auditor. Still practices and audits
>
> > (SNIP)
>
> > Yes. But if he left Scientology then why does he still try
> > to practice it daily and is unable to convince the church
> > he is correct for doing so and they are wrong for not
> > letting him do so?
>
> **Irrelevant, placing him on the list is incorrect..
>
> **RR
>
> I don't think so. This alleged list sure does not
> confuse me.
Are you out of your mind? He is a practicing Scientologist, and thus
should NOT appear on a list of people that don't believe that
Scientology works or are ex-Scientologists. You are in DENIAL... And
there went the credibility of the list down the drain. Amazing....!
RR
Peter Schilte
As people outside the organization, and Scientology is a registered
trademark, they are no longer allowed by CoS to call themselves
scientologists. They are Free Zoners. How can I not accept they still
practice scientology "old style" and without being abused by the
CULT's management?
Peter
"What is it about Scientology that the leader of Scientology
couldn't have these flaws addressed?
Seriously.
If this is the modern science of mental health,
if this is the salvation of mankind,
why is the leader of Scientology a petty little dictator?"
- Mark Bunker
Roadrunner
It will not be correctly properly. It is not about 'mistakes'... PRIOR
to placing any names on the list one should verify each and every one
of them. You don't just add names found at some places.
The list has NO credibility because of the tremendous errors already
found in it. And thus the remainder also received serious doubt
because of these flaws.
RR
>
> Tigger
Roadrunner
wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:51:41 -0700 (PDT), Tigger
>
>
> >Correcting thread title.
>
> It is the title of the list that requires correcting.
>
> They are all ex-members of the Church of Scientology but not all are
> ex-Scientologists.
You still can't have Gerry Armstrong together with Otto Roos on the
the same list... they are opposites. It will require 2 separate lists.
RR
Roadrunner
> On 29 jul, 02:35, Jonathon Barbera <jonathonbarb...@ispname.net>
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:51:41 -0700 (PDT), Tigger
>
> > <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> > >Correcting thread title.
>
> > It is the title of the list that requires correcting.
>
> > They are all ex-members of the Church of Scientology but not all are
> > ex-Scientologists.
>
> Correct.
The problem is that the Church is not the subject of Scientology. It
will therefore be a misrepresentation either way. You need 2
categories on that list. Ex-Scientologists is opposed to those that
are ex-CoS but still practice it. To ignore that is a willful
mispresentation.
RR
Skipper
<0281d3e0-52b8-4174...@t13g2000yqt.googlegroups.com>,
Roadrunner <roadrunn...@gmail.com> wrote:
You are a ground cuckoo, burrowing.
Roadrunner
The CoS doesn't determine that, you reference please for that claim?
Define Scientologist as per the definitions found in the original
writings, you will find that what you propose is not among them. But
you don't want to find that, you must find wrong... That's a sickness,
you don't see that, do ya!
The list is a misrepresentation, as simple as that...
RR
Roadrunner
> In article
> <0281d3e0-52b8-4174-b95c-4ab2e2939...@t13g2000yqt.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 29 Juli, 02:35, Jonathon Barbera <jonathonbarb...@ispname.net>
> > wrote:
> > > On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:51:41 -0700 (PDT), Tigger
>
> > > <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> > > >Correcting thread title.
>
> > > It is the title of the list that requires correcting.
>
> > > They are all ex-members of the Church of Scientology but not all are
> > > ex-Scientologists.
>
> > You still can't have Gerry Armstrong together with Otto Roos on the
> > the same list... they are opposites. It will require 2 separate lists.
>
> > RR
>
> You are a ground cuckoo, burrowing.
Only cuckoo's say these words...
RR
Peter Schilte
You are very good in theoretical things. Practically however....
Everybody claiming the word "scientology", be it as the name of a
website, or as a practitioner of Hubbard's writings outside the
organization, is, at least in the USA, subject for prosecution. No
matter what theories.
And you should know that Free Zoners were and are harassed when using
the word scientology. As the word, though very old and meaning "pseudo
science", is trademarked by the CULT.
Peter
"Scientology's upper level spiritual therapy is essentially dead space
alien souls exorcism."
- Chuck Beatty
Roadrunner
You were previously asked for support for your claims, and what do we
get, more claims...
> And you should know that Free Zoners were and are harassed when using
> the word scientology.
For a quite different reason and not even in US. Define harrashment
please, it doesn't mean with support of law.
>As the word, though very old and meaning "pseudo
> science", is trademarked by the CULT.
You really love associations and attack the actual subject. You are
referring to a little phrase in some book published in 1910. and that
you use for your definitions?
RR
Tigger
> On 28 Juli, 21:09, Tigger <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> > Calm down. It's in "work in progress". As with any work in
> > progress, mistakes can be (and usually are) made.
>
> > Notify them of the mistake(s) and if there is ample proof to support
> > "claims", no doubt the list will be adjusted to correct mistakes,
> > whether they be people who should not be on the list or people who
> > should be on the list.
>
> It will not be correctly properly. It is not about 'mistakes'... PRIOR
> to placing any names on the list one should verify each and every one
> of them. You don't just add names found at some places.
My, my, I think you proteest too much. It's a new list and no doubt
it will be corrected as more information is made available. Critics
aren't like Scientology publishing a "Religious Freedom Watch". Do
you protest as adamently about the "mistakes" in RFW that have been
there for a long time?
>
> The list has NO credibility because of the tremendous errors already
> found in it. And thus the remainder also received serious doubt
> because of these flaws.
That's your opinion. This list is new and a "WORK IN PROGRESS", give
them time to make the necessary adjustments.
It is my understanding that anyone on the list who does not want to be
there or is not qualified to be there can have his/her name removed.
Instead of hopping around like Chicken Little and screaming, "The Sky
is falling", why don't you contact the people whom you "think" are not
qualified to be on the list since you claim you know this, that and
the other.
Tigger
>
> RR
>
>
>
>
>
> > Tigger- Hide quoted text -
Roadrunner
> On Jul 29, 12:57 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 28 Juli, 21:09, Tigger <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> > > Calm down. It's in "work in progress". As with any work in
> > > progress, mistakes can be (and usually are) made.
>
> > > Notify them of the mistake(s) and if there is ample proof to support
> > > "claims", no doubt the list will be adjusted to correct mistakes,
> > > whether they be people who should not be on the list or people who
> > > should be on the list.
>
> > It will not be correctly properly. It is not about 'mistakes'... PRIOR
> > to placing any names on the list one should verify each and every one
> > of them. You don't just add names found at some places.
>
> My, my, I think you proteest too much. It's a new list and no doubt
> it will be corrected as more information is made available. Critics
> aren't like Scientology publishing a "Religious Freedom Watch". Do
> you protest as adamently about the "mistakes" in RFW that have been
> there for a long time?
I repeatedly have expressed in the past that I never liked the site
particulary. Why? Because the readers are not given the opportunity to
verify sources as they are either not given or washed over. So get
this into your head. I am the wrong target.
>
>
>
> > The list has NO credibility because of the tremendous errors already
> > found in it. And thus the remainder also received serious doubt
> > because of these flaws.
>
> That's your opinion. This list is new and a "WORK IN PROGRESS", give
> them time to make the necessary adjustments.
Purposely the list is already in use for propaganda reasons. Therefore
it is not my opinion. It is false intent. It is the exact same flaw
for that site you earlier reverted to. One verifies, one supports
adequately the claims made with verified and evaluated sources.
>
> It is my understanding that anyone on the list who does not want to be
> there or is not qualified to be there can have his/her name removed.
> Instead of hopping around like Chicken Little and screaming, "The Sky
> is falling", why don't you contact the people whom you "think" are not
> qualified to be on the list since you claim you know this, that and
> the other.
The future will tell if this will be done, some name will disappear
when it is too obvious, but the bulk of them will remain on there
*unverified*... This is what man does you know...
RR
l.l.lipshitz
<roadrunn...@gmail.com> wrote in
<042599fb-04e2-48f8...@32g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>:
| On 28 Juli, 22:34, "l.l.lipshitz" <elk...@seesig.info> wrote:
| > On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:07:42 -0700 (PDT), Roadrunner
| > <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote in
| > <115b617d-311c-4168-a656-64e31fc7c...@c14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:
| > �| �On 28 Juli, 02:29, Barbara Schwarz <BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com>
| >
| > �| �wrote:
| >
| > [...]
| >
| > �| > Roadrunner posted recently that he knows that numerous people on this
| > �| > list are still practicing Scientology.
| > �|
| > �| �Yes indeed, quite many in fact. but propagandists don't want to hear
| > �| �about that, in fact, they can't hear it, and therefore they ignore
| > �| �it...
| > �|
| > �| �For example we find Otto Roos on the list, the first ClXII Auditor, he
| > �| �is 80 years or so this day, still practicing Scientology. And so on,
| > �| �and so on...
| >
| > � � � � that's 1. is that what you consider 'quite many'?
| > � � � � please point out the others who are still practicing
| > � � � � scn. we wouldn't want our list to be inaccurate....
|
| But you do want that, why otherwise making such a stupendous error
| with placing Otto Roos on the list!!! Figure!!!
i don't know why he was included on the list, if he
is still a practicing scnist as you say. the list is
a 'work in progress' so some errors are to be
expected. don't get bent out of shape about it --
just point out the errors so they can be corrected.
|I did list a variety
| others in my first response to Tigger's post on this thread.
yes, i saw that...*after* i posted. sorry.
|Take
| Caspar de Rijk, David Mayo, Pierre Ethier, Robert Dam, Grace Aaron
| etc.. All these substantial errors makes one serioulsy wonder the
| other names just put on that list...
why are these errors? the names on the list are
'ex-scnists that have left and have spoken out
publicly against scn and/or the cos'. all these
people fit that description.
is your objection that they are not 'EX-scnists'
because they might still practice scn (altho outside
the 'church')?
maybe the list-makers would change their description
to something more precise, like 'former members of
the church of scn', if you asked politely.
l.l.lipshitz
<roadrunn...@gmail.com> wrote in
<f6b6654f-3bd6-435c...@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>:
| On 29 Juli, 07:56, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
| > As people outside the organization, and Scientology is a registered
| > trademark, they are no longer allowed by CoS to call themselves
| > scientologists.
|
| The CoS doesn't determine that, you reference please for that claim?
<http://www.scientology.org/tmnotice.htm>
'SCIENTOLOGIST is a collective membership mark
designating members of the affiliated churches and
missions of Scientology.'
| Define Scientologist as per the definitions found in the original
| writings, you will find that what you propose is not among them.
admin dictionary:
SCIENTOLOGIST, 1. someone who can better conditions.
A Scientologist then, is essentially one who betters
the conditions of himself and the conditions of
others by using Scn technology. Of course, there are
lots of "do-gooders" and people trying to better
conditions, but the difference between them and a
Scientologist is that the Scientologist is the one
who knows how. He is equipped with far superior
know-how. He is in much better shape than the person
on the street. (BPL 21 Oct 71 I) 2. an individual
interested in Scn. Disseminates and assists
Scientologists. (HCO PL 21 Oct 66 II, City Office
System) 3. the being three feet behind society's
head. A trained Scientologist is not a doctor. He
is someone with special knowledge in the handling of
life. (HCOB 10 Jun 60)
master glossary:
Scientologist: one who knows he has found the way to
a better life through Scientology and who, through
Scientology books, tapes, training and processing, is
actively attaining it. �Life Orientation Course
Glossary, May 90; Conquest of Chaos Approved Glossary
(8.7.92); Ability Congress Approved Glossary; Clearing
Congress Film #2 Approved Glossary; LCDH Approved
Glossary; 3rd South African unpublished Appr GLS
(19.3.92); State of Man Congress Approved Gls
(14.5.92); Games Congress GIs (Approved 13.8.92)
tech dictionary:
SCIENTOLOGIST, 1. one who betters the conditions of
himself and the conditions of others by using Scn
technology. (Aud 73 UK) 2. one who controls persons,
environments and situations. A Scientologist operates
within the boundaries of the Auditor�s Code and the
Code of a Scientologist. (PAB 137) 3. one who
understands life. His technical skill is devoted to
the resolution of the problems of life. (COHA, p. 12)
4. a specialist in spiritual and human affairs. (Abil Ma 1)
|But
| you don't want to find that, you must find wrong... That's a sickness,
| you don't see that, do ya!
why do you look at the speck that is in your
brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is
in your own eye?
| The list is a misrepresentation, as simple as that...
it's simply a work in progress that the list-makers
have requested help with, so they recognize it has
errors and omissions. you could 'better conditions'
with your 'far superior know-how' like a good scnist
(by definition) instead of whining about it. but
you won't. you'd much rather 'make wrong' than make
a useful contribution.
[...]
Tigger
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:45:44 -0700 (PDT), Roadrunner
> <042599fb-04e2-48f8-a986-22a38dffe...@32g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>:
I think RoadRunner is referring to the fact that some are Ex-
COs....They left the (spit) "church", but still practice
Scientology. Some in the FreeZone, some on their own....so
therefore those people should not be on the list or the title should
be changed to Ex-Scientologists and EX_CHURCH MEMbers. He does have
a point but for most people, it's not that big a deal.
I don't post on WWP, but I've posted RR's concern and asked for an e-
mail address where people can ask questions, include or delete names,
make corrections etc. on OCMB and ESMB. I think there are some ex-
COS, practicing Scientologists on ESMB...
Tigger
Roadrunner
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:45:44 -0700 (PDT), Roadrunner
> <042599fb-04e2-48f8-a986-22a38dffe...@32g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>:
These 'errors' have been pointed out earlier and so did Barbara
Schwarz. Practioners of Scientology are not ex-Scientologists in or
out the official organization as you may think.
RR
Roadrunner
Thank you!
RR
Roadrunner
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:34:55 -0700 (PDT), Roadrunner
> <f6b6654f-3bd6-435c-8dd1-5dde44d4b...@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>:
> | On 29 Juli, 07:56, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> | > As people outside the organization, and Scientology is a registered
> | > trademark, they are no longer allowed by CoS to call themselves
> | > scientologists.
> |
> | The CoS doesn't determine that, you reference please for that claim?
>
> <http://www.scientology.org/tmnotice.htm>
>
> 'SCIENTOLOGIST is a collective membership mark
> designating members of the affiliated churches and
> missions of Scientology.'
That is a much later written *trademark* definition, it is not the one
that is found in p.e. the Admin Dictionary.
There you go...
>
> |But
> | you don't want to find that, you must find wrong... That's a sickness,
> | you don't see that, do ya!
>
> why do you look at the speck that is in your
> brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is
> in your own eye?
Where of what is the log??
>
> | The list is a misrepresentation, as simple as that...
>
> it's simply a work in progress that the list-makers
> have requested help with, so they recognize it has
> errors and omissions. you could 'better conditions'
> with your 'far superior know-how' like a good scnist
> (by definition) instead of whining about it. but
> you won't. you'd much rather 'make wrong' than make
> a useful contribution.
The list purposely has been misrepresenting matters, when I complain
about that then that is not whining.
RR
Barbara loves Marty
Right, RR, these anti-Scientologists keep lying and lying and lying.
And that is why they will never convince anybody who does research
into their claims.
Idiots.
Did you see that new message board? They just started. Guess many who
are on this list might post there:
http://lrhtech.hostoi.com/index.php
Barbara Schwarz
>
>
>
>
>
> > --
> > -elle
> > --------=[ l.l.lipshitz * elkube(at)lycos(dot)com ]=--------
>
> > usenet disproves the infinite-monkey theorem- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Gregory Hall
news:5a2c4878-6e93-4cd3...@c14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
> Did you see that new message board? They just started. Guess many who
> are on this list might post there:
>
> http://lrhtech.hostoi.com/index.php
Looks like it has a good moderator who won't put up with all the extremist's
hate postings you see here. Since it's a Pro LRH site I hope they kick off
all the anti's who try to sneak on.
--
Gregory Hall
Ball of Fluff
Not all of us refer to ourselves as Free Zoners. Also, what the church
does or does not want people to call themselves is of little concern
to anyone who left it. The cult is in no position to allow or disallow
anything. So yes, some people do leave CofS and refer to themselves as
Scientologists, if they still are such by creed.
And why are some of the people on this thread so worried, anyway? An
ex member is an ex member.
Everybody take a chill pill.
C
Ball of Fluff
No, it wouldn't, because the list does not say "people who are exactly
alike".
If that were the criterion, nobody would be able to make any lists of
any BODY ever.
C
Ball of Fluff
Ball of Fluff
> "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:5a2c4878-6e93-4cd3...@c14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> <snip>
>
> > Did you see that new message board? They just started. Guess many who
> > are on this list might post there:
>
> >http://lrhtech.hostoi.com/index.php
>
> Looks like it has a good moderator who won't put up with all the extremist's
> hate postings you see here. Since it's a Pro LRH site I hope they kick off
> all the anti's who try to sneak on.
Well, sure as shit, I'll be there since I'm pro tech.
Though it could get dull without someone who cyber-preys on women
(that's you) in the name of religion-on there...
C
Tigger
[quote="Sponge"][quote="
Tigger"]Someone on a.r.s. (a Scientologist of course) is pointing out
that the list is not credible
and the title is not accurate because the list contains some who are
not ex-Scientologists.
He does have a point. So should those ex-Co$ who still claim to be
Scientologists be removed or should the title be changed to include
both ex-SCN and ex-COS?
Is there an e-mail addy available for questions, corrections,
additions and/or deletions?
Tigger[/quote]
Yeah, It figures that some won't be happy.
Of course the list won't always be perfect all of the time and there
are people who are just tossing the odd name in without too much
thought. The odd inaccuracy does not condemn the whole list as the
person you quoted on ARS suggests. It's not a big problem, except for
pedants. This is a project in progress, not the finished article, and
there is an honest drive for accuracy (given that maintaining this
list is not anyone's full time job). All the the links have been
provided for anyone to have names considered for justifiable removal/
addition.
Since chanology is about "removing the church of Scientology in it's
present form" I think it is perfectly OK to have on the list ex-church
members who still practice unofficially outside the church and have of
course spoken out against the practices of their former church. Maybe
there is justification to indicate with an asterisk and a general
footnote pertaining to those particular names. That will be left for
the hive to decide and anyone who still doesn't like it can talk to
the claw.
Also, I understand that there is no desire to piss people off and if
someone who's name is on the list doesn't want to be on that list, for
whatever personal reasons, can ask to have it removed. Of course I
expect that dox will need to be provided to verify that it is not some
cult operative trying to supress critical information.
The person bleating on ARS should perhaps voice their concerns to the
source if they think they can genuinely help with the project. (See
previous links in thread). Barking at the sky doesn't help.[/quote]
magicus
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:27:46 -0700, Ball of Fluff
<amaflu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 29, 12:34 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 29 Juli, 07:56, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 29 jul, 07:47, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On 29 Juli, 05:50, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > On 28 jul, 20:16, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > On 28 Juli, 17:46, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com>
>> > > > > wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > On 28 jul, 17:09, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com>
>> > > > > > wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > > On 28 Juli, 05:47, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com>
>> > > > > > > wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > > > On 28 jul, 02:13, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake>
>> > > > > > > > wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > > > > "Tigger" <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>>
>> > > > > > > > >news:87daae17-6134-432f-b1f0-
d8f58e...@h11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
I just looked at yr site and w/ most sites that are advertised I usually
check them. I got:
13 Errors, 134 warning(s)
You just may want to address those if you want lots of other people to
see it... just sayin' (it's kind of like having a site that has LOTS of
errors in spelling and whatnot and expecting people to be down w/ that.
BTW, I am not a member of CO$ nor an ex member. I have read a few of the
books and have friends that are still 'in' much to my dismay.
Do check out HTML-Tidy which should give you hints on how to make your
stuff more readable across a lot more browsers. Due be aware that this is
not an attack, merely a thumbs up so you can make your message more
readable...
ciao,
f
--
"What you resist, persists."
l.l.lipshitz
<roadrunn...@gmail.com> wrote in
<32e5c4e2-d84c-48be...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com>:
| On 29 Juli, 20:10, "l.l.lipshitz" <elk...@seesig.info> wrote:
| > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:34:55 -0700 (PDT), Roadrunner
| > <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote in
| > <f6b6654f-3bd6-435c-8dd1-5dde44d4b...@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>:
| > �| �On 29 Juli, 07:56, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
| >
| > [...]
| >
| > �| > As people outside the organization, and Scientology is a registered
| > �| > trademark, they are no longer allowed by CoS to call themselves
| > �| > scientologists.
| > �|
| > �| �The CoS doesn't determine that, you reference please for that claim?
| >
| > � � � � <http://www.scientology.org/tmnotice.htm>
| >
| > � � � � 'SCIENTOLOGIST is a collective membership mark
| > � � � � designating members of the affiliated churches and
| > � � � � missions of Scientology.'
|
| That is a much later written *trademark* definition, it is not the one
| that is found in p.e. the Admin Dictionary.
you asked for a reference that cos determines who
can or cannot call themselves 'scnists'. there it
is. whether you agree with that definition or not,
cos has the legal right to determine who can or
cannot be called a 'scnist'. legally, all you
'still practicing scn' people who are not members
of the official church of scn cannot call yourselves
'scnists'. sorry, that's how it is.
now me, personally -- i don't care what you want to
call yourself. i will accept that you're a scnist.
but cos won't.
[...]
| > �|But
| > �| �you don't want to find that, you must find wrong... That's a sickness,
| > �| �you don't see that, do ya!
| >
| > � � � � why do you look at the speck that is in your
| > � � � � brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is
| > � � � � in your own eye?
|
| Where of what is the log??
it's just a saying, from the bible. it means that
you shouldn't criticize someone for the very things
that you do. ie, it's hypocritical to point out the
speck in someone else's eye when you've got a big
log in your own eye. you were talking about critics
'must find wrong' when you, yourself, do that all
the time!
| > �| �The list is a misrepresentation, as simple as that...
| >
| > � � � � it's simply a work in progress that the list-makers
| > � � � � have requested help with, so they recognize it has
| > � � � � errors and omissions. you could 'better conditions'
| > � � � � with your 'far superior know-how' like a good scnist
| > � � � � (by definition) instead of whining about it. but
| > � � � � you won't. you'd much rather 'make wrong' than make
| > � � � � a useful contribution.
|
| The list purposely has been misrepresenting matters, when I complain
| about that then that is not whining.
have you contacted the people responsible for the
list?? because whining about it here on ars is, by
definition, WHINING and won't get the errors
corrected no matter how many times you WHINE about
it. so please, stop WHINING and DO something!
contact the people who are responsible for the list
and ask *them* to fix it.
jeez-louise, i thought you scnists were supposed to
make things go right. didn't hubbard write some hcob
or hcopl about how scnists are people of action and
not WHINERS?!
Gregory Hall
news:2a2f8abd-942f-4cce...@a37g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> Well, sure as shit, I'll be there since I'm pro tech.
>
> Though it could get dull without someone who cyber-preys on women
> (that's you) in the name of religion-on there...
>
> C
>
> www.claireswazey.com
Jealous that nobody is interested in you, Claire? And since when are a few
innocent Usenet displays of support and affection "preying?" There was a
time when women felt complimented by men being interested in them. Has the
FemiNazi movement wipe that from the slate in their desire to totally
emasculate men? Well, you won't find this functional man kowtowing to women
like you who don't know what it is to be a woman so consider yourself safe
from my 'preying.' I don't suffer harlots gladly.
--
Gregory Hall
Ball of Fluff
> "Ball of Fluff" <amafluffyg...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:2a2f8abd-942f-4cce...@a37g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Well, sure as shit, I'll be there since I'm pro tech.
>
> > Though it could get dull without someone who cyber-preys on women
> > (that's you) in the name of religion-on there...
>
> > C
>
> >www.claireswazey.com
>
> Jealous that nobody is interested in you, Claire?
'Pends on what you mean by "nobody". In any event, the answer is
"no".
> And since when are a few
> innocent Usenet displays of support and affection "preying?"
Because of the nasty shit you said to me and to Kat. I don't call that
"innocent" or "support(ive)" or "affection". You're a hypocrite and a
net predator.
? There was a
> time when women felt complimented by men being interested in them.
It depends on what the interest is and how it's expressed. In any
event that would not be relevant to the discussion of Scn, CofS, etc.
>Has the
> FemiNazi movement wipe that from the slate in their desire to totally
> emasculate men?
One doesn't have to be a FemiNazi to not like people who treat other
people like crap while constantly referencing the latter's gender.
> Well, you won't find this functional man kowtowing to women
I just think you should stay on topic and not be such a hypocrite.
> like you who don't know what it is to be a woman
Oh, I've figured it out just fine- not that it's any of your business.
>so consider yourself safe
> from my 'preying.' I don't suffer harlots gladly.
If I were a harlot, which I'm not, then it would logically follow that
I "know what it is to be a woman".
Idiot.
Ball of Fluff
> Hi C,
>
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:27:46 -0700, Ball of Fluff
>
>
>
>
>
> <amafluffyg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 29, 12:34 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 29 Juli, 07:56, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On 29 jul, 07:47, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > On 29 Juli, 05:50, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > On 28 jul, 20:16, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > On 28 Juli, 17:46, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > On 28 jul, 17:09, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > > wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > > On 28 Juli, 05:47, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > > > On 28 jul, 02:13, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake>
> >> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > > > > "Tigger" <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>
> >> > > > > > > > >news:87daae17-6134-432f-b1f0-
>
Well, I got a book on HTML -- but the site I'm using does not always
take the commands. It's a website tonight account where you just type
in the material and it's there- it's for people like me who need all
the help they can get. I've tried inserting actual HTML commands and
half the time it doesn't really take it and shows the damn commands
when the site goes up instead of just implementing them. I think I'd
have to switch to another kind of site builder thingie and I don't
think I've got the smarts for it...
I am not sure how to find the errors or why they're there or what they
are, exactly, but I am planning to update the site this week or so
since I've not done so in a while. Hopefully there won't be any errors
this time. I may talk to the people at godaddy- they have a nice tech
support div- and find out how to check for errors and what they mean.
I'm sure this is very basic stuff and I should know it, but I really
don't yet. Maybe I'll learn something new!
I appreciate the input!!
:-)
C
Gregory Hall
Open mouth --- insert foot!
> If I were a harlot, which I'm not, then it would logically follow that
> I "know what it is to be a woman".
You just defined your understanding of the role of a woman as being a
receptical for the seminal fluids of men. Good Grief!!!
And you claim NOT to be a harlot? Laughable.
One lesson: If you would be treated like a woman try acting like a lady.
Take a lesson from the wild. An alpha wolf doesn't bite the belly of a
submissive wolf who bares it in supplication. He cannot bite it because of
his genetic programming.
The same goes for women. A real man will not abuse a real woman who acts
like a woman. When a woman assumes her proper role she supplicates herself
and a real man will never harm her.
Women in physically abusive relationships cause most of the abuse by their
refusing or never having learned how to act like a lady. The Feminist
movement is largely responsible for the increasing rates of abused women.
--
Gregory Hall
Gregory Hall
news:10ad47b8-174f-4b33...@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
I appreciate the input!!
============================================
You can't do HTML by hand and get it right unless you've got more time than
sense.
Just use a good what you see is what you get HTML generator. This one is
free and easy to use.
http://www.coffeecup.com/free-editor/
--
Gregory Hall
Tigger
August, 2007
What is an ex scientologist? - Ex Scientologist Message Board
http://forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=1679
[QUOTE=Emma;24396]
I have been wondering about this for a while.
I presume most of you consider yourselves "exes" (excluding those who
were never in) considering you post here, but what exactly is an "ex"?
It seems to be a loose term because we have all sorts of people here.
I'd like to get some sort of an idea of what defines an ex (if
possible).
Maybe you don't consider yourself an ex but post here anyway - which
is fine too.
What are your ideas on this?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=fluffy;24409]
Well, I suspect it means different things to different people.
So...I would personally think that if a person was an FZer or an indie
Scn'ist or anything where they think of themself as being a Scn'ist
but have left CofS, that they'd be an ex CofS member who currently is
a Scn'ist.
If they've ditched the whole dang thing, then I think they'd be an ex
Scn'ist, no qualifiers.
I think it would be whatever that person considers him or herself to
be.[/QUOTE]
Fluffy Debate Maven
"Gregory Hall" <greg...@home.fake> wrote in message
news:30ps1q....@news.alt.net...
> "Ball of Fluff" <amaflu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d6c42c29-9c9a-47a9...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
>
> Open mouth --- insert foot!
Yes, you have, but I wasn't going to point it out...
>
>> If I were a harlot, which I'm not, then it would logically follow that
>> I "know what it is to be a woman".
>
> You just defined your understanding of the role of a woman as being a
> receptical for the seminal fluids of men. Good Grief!!!
No, I didn't. I was pointing out your lack of logic. First I don't "know
what it is to be a woman" then I'm a "harlot" according to you. I guess any
insult will do for you.
>
> And you claim NOT to be a harlot? Laughable.
I am a happily married woman and you are a cyber-stalker who writes
disgusting slurs against women and then acts like Mr. Purity Outraged when
anyone discusses what you wrote. *You* are the one who brought up "harlots".
Try sticking to discussing Scientology- if you can.
>
> One lesson: If you would be treated like a woman try acting like a lady.
> Take a lesson from the wild. An alpha wolf doesn't bite the belly of a
> submissive wolf who bares it in supplication. He cannot bite it because of
> his genetic programming.
This is a cyber forum. for discussion of Scientology. People don't come here
to have their genders affirmed.
>
> The same goes for women. A real man will not abuse a real woman who acts
> like a woman. When a woman assumes her proper role she supplicates herself
> and a real man will never harm her.
This is a cyber forum for discussion of Scientology.
>
> Women in physically abusive relationships cause most of the abuse by their
> refusing or never having learned how to act like a lady. The Feminist
> movement is largely responsible for the increasing rates of abused women.
Yawn. Totally off topic.
C
Roadrunner
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:56:41 -0700 (PDT), Roadrunner
> <32e5c4e2-d84c-48be-9eb8-26f67bb1c...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com>:
The CoS can not alter or adjust definitions that have been in use
since years. In addition your trademark 'definition' is not found in
policy letters.
>
> [...]
>
> | > |But
> | > | you don't want to find that, you must find wrong... That's a sickness,
> | > | you don't see that, do ya!
> | >
> | > why do you look at the speck that is in your
> | > brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is
> | > in your own eye?
> |
> | Where of what is the log??
>
> it's just a saying, from the bible. it means that
> you shouldn't criticize someone for the very things
> that you do. ie, it's hypocritical to point out the
> speck in someone else's eye when you've got a big
> log in your own eye. you were talking about critics
> 'must find wrong' when you, yourself, do that all
> the time!
Again, where or what is the log?? You see, it is proper to find wrong
if one can sufficient support the claim for it being wrong.
>
> | > | The list is a misrepresentation, as simple as that...
> | >
> | > it's simply a work in progress that the list-makers
> | > have requested help with, so they recognize it has
> | > errors and omissions. you could 'better conditions'
> | > with your 'far superior know-how' like a good scnist
> | > (by definition) instead of whining about it. but
> | > you won't. you'd much rather 'make wrong' than make
> | > a useful contribution.
> |
> | The list purposely has been misrepresenting matters, when I complain
> | about that then that is not whining.
>
> have you contacted the people responsible for the
> list?? because whining about it here on ars is, by
> definition, WHINING and won't get the errors
> corrected no matter how many times you WHINE about
> it. so please, stop WHINING and DO something!
> contact the people who are responsible for the list
> and ask *them* to fix it.
Tsk, tsk, have you read the thread on OCMB about this recently?
'Tigger' proposed it there. They are not interested to correct it, ask
p.e. 'Dorothy' on OCMB.
>
> jeez-louise, i thought you scnists were supposed to
> make things go right. didn't hubbard write some hcob
> or hcopl about how scnists are people of action and
> not WHINERS?!
You have some misconception about why I brought it up here...
RR
Roadrunner
I know that, because the list is created to do exactly that, give
misrepresentations...
RR
Roadrunner
But not all of them claim afterwards that Scientology does not work.
Nonetheless this is how it is promoted.
>
> Everybody take a chill pill.
Sorry, don't do drugs.. but you may as you don't care about the list's
misrepresentation...
RR
>
> C
>
> www.claireswazey.com
Roadrunner
> On Jul 28, 11:00 pm, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 29 Juli, 02:35, Jonathon Barbera <jonathonbarb...@ispname.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:51:41 -0700 (PDT), Tigger
>
> > > <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> > > >Correcting thread title.
>
> > > It is the title of the list that requires correcting.
>
> > > They are all ex-members of the Church of Scientology but not all are
> > > ex-Scientologists.
>
> > You still can't have Gerry Armstrong together with Otto Roos on the
> > the same list... they are opposites. It will require 2 separate lists.
>
> No, it wouldn't, because the list does not say "people who are exactly
> alike".
They are OPPOSITES, seems you can't differentiate matters then...
>
> If that were the criterion, nobody would be able to make any lists of
> any BODY ever.
The criteria is that they are opposites although they are both not
involved with CoS. Nonetheless the list is presented as all htose that
say that Scienotology does not work.
If you approve of that, then your intent is quite clear...
RR
>
> C
>
> www.claireswazey.com
l.l.lipshitz
<roadrunn...@gmail.com> wrote in
<973dfdd7-af26-404d...@s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com>:
1st: it's not *my* trademark, it is the co$'s.
2nd: you're mixing up 2 different things.
you asked for a reference that co$ determines who
can or cannot call themselves 'scnists'. there it
is: the trademark on the term. the definition of
a 'scnist' is something else (and i gave you the
glossary and dictionary defs). the trademarked
term is a legal matter; the definition is a
religious one.
| > [...]
| >
| > �| > �|But
| > �| > �| �you don't want to find that, you must find wrong... That's a sickness,
| > �| > �| �you don't see that, do ya!
| > �| >
| > �| > � � � � why do you look at the speck that is in your
| > �| > � � � � brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is
| > �| > � � � � in your own eye?
| > �|
| > �| �Where of what is the log??
| >
| > � � � � it's just a saying, from the bible. it means that
| > � � � � you shouldn't criticize someone for the very things
| > � � � � that you do. ie, it's hypocritical to point out the
| > � � � � speck in someone else's eye when you've got a big
| > � � � � log in your own eye. you were talking about critics
| > � � � � 'must find wrong' when you, yourself, do that all
| > � � � � the time!
|
| Again, where or what is the log?? You see, it is proper to find wrong
| if one can sufficient support the claim for it being wrong.
the log is your constant attempt to 'make wrong'.
that appears to be your job here. you offer no
constructive criticism, no suggestions, no
corrections, no logical arguments. you're too busy
trying to 'make [us] wrong' and proclaiming we
don't know but you do, altho you never offer any
evidence. so the log is your hypocrisy because you
were whining about others 'making wrong' when that
seems to be your sole function here.
| > �| > �| �The list is a misrepresentation, as simple as that...
| > �| >
| > �| > � � � � it's simply a work in progress that the list-makers
| > �| > � � � � have requested help with, so they recognize it has
| > �| > � � � � errors and omissions. you could 'better conditions'
| > �| > � � � � with your 'far superior know-how' like a good scnist
| > �| > � � � � (by definition) instead of whining about it. but
| > �| > � � � � you won't. you'd much rather 'make wrong' than make
| > �| > � � � � a useful contribution.
| > �|
| > �| �The list purposely has been misrepresenting matters, when I complain
| > �| �about that then that is not whining.
| >
| > � � � � have you contacted the people responsible for the
| > � � � � list?? because whining about it here on ars is, by
| > � � � � definition, WHINING and won't get the errors
| > � � � � corrected no matter how many times you WHINE about
| > � � � � it. so please, stop WHINING and DO something!
| > � � � � contact the people who are responsible for the list
| > � � � � and ask *them* to fix it.
|
| Tsk, tsk, have you read the thread on OCMB about this recently?
i don't read ocmb. have you contacted the people
responsible for the list yet??
my guess is that you won't ever contact them because
if you did, they might actually fix the list and
then you could not WHINE about it.
| 'Tigger' proposed it there. They are not interested to correct it, ask
| p.e. 'Dorothy' on OCMB.
they're probably not interested in dealing with such
a big WHINER now. had you asked them politely (or at
least neutrally), they might have listened to your
corrections/suggestions.
| > � � � � jeez-louise, i thought you scnists were supposed to
| > � � � � make things go right. didn't hubbard write some hcob
| > � � � � or hcopl about how scnists are people of action and
| > � � � � not WHINERS?!
|
| You have some misconception about why I brought it up here...
oh no, i understand perfectly well why you brought
it up here: you needed to whine and 'make wrong'.
Roadrunner
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:50:56 -0700 (PDT), Roadrunner
> <973dfdd7-af26-404d-9406-78ef9b9f2...@s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com>:
Irrelevant, it is not the definition in use for establishing what it
is..
>
> 2nd: you're mixing up 2 different things.
>
> you asked for a reference that co$ determines who
> can or cannot call themselves 'scnists'. there it
> is: the trademark on the term. the definition of
> a 'scnist' is something else (and i gave you the
> glossary and dictionary defs). the trademarked
> term is a legal matter; the definition is a
> religious one.
It is not a proper definition for the word. If it is not in a policy
letter it is not true... You can't use the trademark definition as
that is not a definition.
You make a grand effort to demolish a person here. ARS is the place
where anti-Scientologists do not point out ANY OTHER THAN
WRONGNESSES!!!!! If the anti-Scientology propagandist makes a claim
then the BURDEN IS UPON HIM to provide the evidence FIRST, and not the
other way around. Sorry for you, but my arguments have not being any
other than logical. You haven't seen and will not see the log into
your own eye, apparently and sadly... Your misconception about me is
rather glorious. Now has the list been corrected per the data I
provided? Of course not. That says it ALL...
The list is a joke, a very big one...
You try to win an argument by attempting to demolish with inaccurate
accusations and person attack...
RR
Agent Wiggs
news:30ps1q....@news.alt.net...
You are sick. What you basically just said with your Wolf analogy, is
that women wouldn't get raped if they'd simply consent.
Women were equally if not more abused before the feminist movement, they
were just unable to speak out, as they were technically the property of
their husbands. A century ago [in Britain at least] if a woman tried to
leave her abusive partner, the police would return her to him!
Gregory Hall, one of the leading thinkers of the Dark Ages.
--
Noli nothi permittere te terere.
magicus
<amaflu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<lots of stuff snipped...>
> I am not sure how to find the errors or why they're there or what they
> are, exactly, but I am planning to update the site this week or so since
> I've not done so in a while. Hopefully there won't be any errors this
> time. I may talk to the people at godaddy- they have a nice tech support
> div- and find out how to check for errors and what they mean. I'm sure
> this is very basic stuff and I should know it, but I really don't yet.
> Maybe I'll learn something new!
>
> I appreciate the input!!
>
> :-)
>
> C
>
> www.claireswazey.com
If you go here and put in the URL for your site it will report back to
you what the errors or warnings are:
You can also download a program that I referred to earlier and use it
locally - HTML-Tidy:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tidy/
To use it online, go here:
One obvious issue that I saw was that the page displays "Page 1" as the
title which is someone were to bookmark it wouldn't really give them a
clue as to what page it is. :-P
ciao,
f
--
"Faith is believing in something you know ain't so"
-- Mark Twain
l.l.lipshitz
<roadrunn...@gmail.com> wrote in
<983b94de-a679-4237...@v20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:
you are still confused. the trademark term is not a
definition. it is a legal term that the cos (and only
the cos) is allowed to use. in effect, it grants them
the legal right to determine who is or is not a
'scnist'. they can use whatever definition they want
but the legal fact remains that the term 'scnist'
belongs exclusively to the cos, even if you and other
non-church 'scnists' disagree.
| > � � � � 2nd: you're mixing up 2 different things.
| >
| > � � � � you asked for a reference that co$ determines who
| > � � � � can or cannot call themselves 'scnists'. there it
| > � � � � is: the trademark on the term. the definition of
| > � � � � a 'scnist' is something else (and i gave you the
| > � � � � glossary and dictionary defs). the trademarked
| > � � � � term is a legal matter; the definition is a
| > � � � � religious one.
|
| It is not a proper definition for the word. If it is not in a policy
| letter it is not true... You can't use the trademark definition as
| that is not a definition.
YOU ARE STILL CONFUSED! the trademark term is not a
definition. it is a legal term that lets the cos
legally determine who is and is not a 'scnist'.
if pepsi makes a new cola, they cannot call it 'coke'
because coke owns that trademark. it doesn't matter
that pepsi thinks its cola is really 'coke', legally
it is not. only the trademark owner, coke, gets to
determine what is and is not 'coke' (even if they
change the recipe). same thing here. please get that
thru your head.
your argument is not with me about the definition of
a 'scnist' -- it is with the cos. i just provided the
reference that YOU REQUESTED (ie, i posted EVIDENCE)
to show that the cos is legally allowed to determine
who is and is not a 'scnist'. you said they could not
do that but you were incorrect.
| > �| > [...]
because you ask for evidence and then don't accept
it and then accuse us of not providing evidence.
it's your standard procedure and it's irritating.
it makes me wonder if you do it on purpose to evade
the issue because you don't like the facts.
|ARS is the place
| where anti-Scientologists do not point out ANY OTHER THAN
| WRONGNESSES!!!!!
i am not ars.
|If the anti-Scientology propagandist makes a claim
| then the BURDEN IS UPON HIM to provide the evidence FIRST,
someone claimed that the cos does not allow
non-church scnists to call themselves 'scnists'.
you asked for evidence because you didn't believe
it and i provided that evidence. so the critics
HAVE PROVIDED THE EVIDENCE FIRST. you just choose
to ignore it.
|and not the
| other way around. Sorry for you, but my arguments have not being any
| other than logical.
this is your 'logic': you ask for evidence of a
claim, ignore the evidence when provided, then
argue about a different issue. i think you need
to word-clear 'logical'!
|You haven't seen and will not see the log into
| your own eye, apparently and sadly... Your misconception about me is
| rather glorious. Now has the list been corrected per the data I
| provided? Of course not. That says it ALL...
did you provide your data to the people responsible
for the list?? or did you just whine about the
errors here on ars and expect that somehow the list
would be magically corrected??
| The list is a joke, a very big one...
please provide evidence (which i won't accept :).
| > �| > �| > �| �The list is a misrepresentation, as simple as that...
you will not accept evidence that you ask for when
it is provided so you continue to present your
inaccurate accusations as if they were The Truth;
you argue about a different issues to avoid the
facts; you never answer questions even when they are
simple and straighforward (have you contacted the
people responsible for the list yet to give them
your suggested corrections?). i'm sorry that the
description of your behavior is unflattering....
Fredric L. Rice
That's useful. It basically informs me that all of my web sites
and half a million web pages all have about 33 errors each. }:-}
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Ball of Fluff
> On 30 Juli, 08:26, Ball ofFluff<amafluffyg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 28, 11:00 pm, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 29 Juli, 02:35, Jonathon Barbera <jonathonbarb...@ispname.net>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:51:41 -0700 (PDT), Tigger
>
> > > > <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> > > > >Correcting thread title.
>
> > > > It is the title of the list that requires correcting.
>
> > > > They are all ex-members of the Church of Scientology but not all are
> > > > ex-Scientologists.
>
> > > You still can't have Gerry Armstrong together with Otto Roos on the
> > > the same list... they are opposites. It will require 2 separate lists.
>
> > No, it wouldn't, because the list does not say "people who are exactly
> > alike".
>
> They are OPPOSITES, seems you can't differentiate matters then...
That's an ad hom. Your rudeness to other contributors is part of the
reason you get as much flak as you get on forums.
Yes, yes, I know they're opposites. And my previous comment stands.
>
>
>
> > If that were the criterion, nobody would be able to make any lists of
> > any BODY ever.
>
> The criteria is that they are opposites although they are both not
> involved with CoS. Nonetheless the list is presented as all htose that
> say that Scienotology does not work.
So what? The people on it can still be opposites and still have that
particular stance.
>
> If you approve of that, then your intent is quite clear...
>
Oh blow it out your ass.
C
Jommy Cross
<983b94de-a679-4237...@v20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:
>On 31 Juli, 21:25, "l.l.lipshitz" <elk...@seesig.info> wrote:
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 oh no, i understand perfectly well why you brought
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 it up here: you needed to whine and 'make wrong'.
<snip>
>
>You try to win an argument by attempting to demolish with inaccurate
>accusations and person attack...
No, just an accurate evaluation of your behavior. You're the one who's keen=
on evaluations, huh? =20
Incident zero: Ron trolled you
Ever yours in fandom,
Jommy Cross
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Roadrunner
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:38:17 -0700 (PDT), Roadrunner
> <983b94de-a679-4237-a9f7-256c71731...@v20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:
Definitions you get from dictionaries and the sorts, not trademark
terms. It does not grant them any right if it is opposed to or alter
the properly established use of the word. This is the source of your
confusion...
>
> | > 2nd: you're mixing up 2 different things.
> | >
> | > you asked for a reference that co$ determines who
> | > can or cannot call themselves 'scnists'. there it
> | > is: the trademark on the term. the definition of
> | > a 'scnist' is something else (and i gave you the
> | > glossary and dictionary defs). the trademarked
> | > term is a legal matter; the definition is a
> | > religious one.
> |
> | It is not a proper definition for the word. If it is not in a policy
> | letter it is not true... You can't use the trademark definition as
> | that is not a definition.
>
> YOU ARE STILL CONFUSED! the trademark term is not a
> definition. it is a legal term that lets the cos
> legally determine who is and is not a 'scnist'.
You wish to enforce it as if a definition... same thing.
>
> if pepsi makes a new cola, they cannot call it 'coke'
> because coke owns that trademark. it doesn't matter
> that pepsi thinks its cola is really 'coke', legally
> it is not. only the trademark owner, coke, gets to
> determine what is and is not 'coke' (even if they
> change the recipe). same thing here. please get that
> thru your head.
>
> your argument is not with me about the definition of
> a 'scnist' -- it is with the cos. i just provided the
> reference that YOU REQUESTED (ie, i posted EVIDENCE)
> to show that the cos is legally allowed to determine
> who is and is not a 'scnist'. you said they could not
> do that but you were incorrect.
It is opposing the definition established, you don't want to hear
that. The CoS has no given right to alter or adjust as they are to
abide to the orignal writings. Try the How to Defeat Verbal Tech
Checklist, there are 10 points. Do I also have to remind you of KSW,
if you know what that stands for?
But you adjust to the general behaviour, and you are here on the ARS.
>
> |If the anti-Scientology propagandist makes a claim
> | then the BURDEN IS UPON HIM to provide the evidence FIRST,
>
> someone claimed that the cos does not allow
> non-church scnists to call themselves 'scnists'.
> you asked for evidence because you didn't believe
> it and i provided that evidence. so the critics
> HAVE PROVIDED THE EVIDENCE FIRST. you just choose
> to ignore it.
Again the CoS nor anyone else may alter original definitions. The CoS
does not have that right...
>
> |and not the
> | other way around. Sorry for you, but my arguments have not being any
> | other than logical.
>
> this is your 'logic': you ask for evidence of a
> claim, ignore the evidence when provided, then
> argue about a different issue. i think you need
> to word-clear 'logical'!
You need to get grip of the concept of the subject of Scientology/
Dianetics and what it involves.
>
> |You haven't seen and will not see the log into
> | your own eye, apparently and sadly... Your misconception about me is
> | rather glorious. Now has the list been corrected per the data I
> | provided? Of course not. That says it ALL...
>
> did you provide your data to the people responsible
> for the list?? or did you just whine about the
> errors here on ars and expect that somehow the list
> would be magically corrected??
I was ignored, read on OCMB, no one gives a damn about the
incorrectnesses.
>
> | The list is a joke, a very big one...
>
> please provide evidence (which i won't accept :).
Nonono, evidence need to be provided that in particular the about 10
persons that I noted actually do belong on the list.
Delusional?
> you argue about a different issues to avoid the
> facts; you never answer questions even when they are
> simple and straighforward
Pretty much a lie...
> (have you contacted the
> people responsible for the list yet to give them
> your suggested corrections?). i'm sorry that the
> description of your behavior is unflattering....
Read the discussion on OCMB. They don't give a f***.
RR
Roadrunner
> On Jul 31, 10:56 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 30 Juli, 08:26, Ball ofFluff<amafluffyg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 28, 11:00 pm, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 29 Juli, 02:35, Jonathon Barbera <jonathonbarb...@ispname.net>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:51:41 -0700 (PDT), Tigger
>
> > > > > <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > >Correcting thread title.
>
> > > > > It is the title of the list that requires correcting.
>
> > > > > They are all ex-members of the Church of Scientology but not all are
> > > > > ex-Scientologists.
>
> > > > You still can't have Gerry Armstrong together with Otto Roos on the
> > > > the same list... they are opposites. It will require 2 separate lists.
>
> > > No, it wouldn't, because the list does not say "people who are exactly
> > > alike".
>
> > They are OPPOSITES, seems you can't differentiate matters then...
>
> That's an ad hom. Your rudeness to other contributors is part of the
> reason you get as much flak as you get on forums.
My rudeness? Are you kidding me??? It is indeed very clear on what
side you are on... It is my right to point out gross incorrectnesses
which is basically all I did, and at the same ignore the rudenesses
uttered against me...
My experiences on forums is that one has to submit to the general
line, if not, you get kicked very quickly. haven't you learned anythng
at all from Scientology and bank-agreements? Appears not, and that's
why you say the things that you say.
>
> Yes, yes, I know they're opposites. And my previous comment stands.
>
>
>
> > > If that were the criterion, nobody would be able to make any lists of
> > > any BODY ever.
>
> > The criteria is that they are opposites although they are both not
> > involved with CoS. Nonetheless the list is presented as all htose that
> > say that Scienotology does not work.
>
> So what? The people on it can still be opposites and still have that
> particular stance.
Are you not able to duplicate that what I wrote!!! The list does not
represent those that claim that Scientlogy does not work. Christ!!!!
>
>
>
> > If you approve of that, then your intent is quite clear...
>
> Oh blow it out your ass.
Indeed, you INTENT is quite clear at that!!! You APPROVE of
premeditated misrepresentation.
Barbara Schwarz is quite right about you...
RR
>
> C
>
> www.claireswazey.com
l.l.lipshitz
<roadrunn...@gmail.com> wrote in
<d2823e70-6f8e-4d76...@v20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:
| On 1 Aug, 18:18, "l.l.lipshitz" <elk...@seesig.info> wrote:
[...]
| Definitions you get from dictionaries and the sorts, not trademark
| terms.
yep, that's what i've been saying: trademarks and
definitions are 2 different things. i guess you
haven't been paying attention....
|It does not grant them any right if it is opposed to or alter
| the properly established use of the word. This is the source of your
| confusion...
sorry, you are wrong. because the cos owns all
of hubbard's scn material, they can do whatever
the hell they want with it. *legally*. you may
believe they have the moral obligation to keep
the tech pure but that is not the same as their
legal right. altering the tech is not against the
law and there's nothing you or anyone can do about
it, except install new leaders who think like you
or leave the 'church to practice 'original' scn as
you believe hubbard intended.
[...]
| > � � � � YOU ARE STILL CONFUSED! the trademark term is not a
| > � � � � definition. it is a legal term that lets the cos
| > � � � � legally determine who is and is not a 'scnist'.
|
| You wish to enforce it as if a definition... same thing.
not *i*. you keep saying this. all i did was provide
the evidence you asked for that the 'church' had the
right to determine who can and cannot call themselves
'scnists'. the 'church' HAS THAT RIGHT. *legally*.
that's how trademarks work.
*i* am not enforcing it as if it is a definition.
*i* do not have the power or the right or the desire
to do that. the cos does. go argue with them!
fwiw, my defintion of 'scnist' is anyone who calls
themselves a scnist.
[...]
| It is opposing the definition established, you don't want to hear
| that.
it is not a matter of whether *i* want to hear it
or not. it is not *i* who opposes the established
definition. it is the cos. go argue with them!
|The CoS has no given right to alter or adjust as they are to
| abide to the orignal writings.
but they do have that legal right! if they want
to define a 'scnist' as a 3-headed spotted purple
hippogriff, they legally can.
|Try the How to Defeat Verbal Tech
| Checklist, there are 10 points. Do I also have to remind you of KSW,
| if you know what that stands for?
i am not a scnist so i don't care what 'how to
defeat verbal tech' and 'keep scn working' say.
*i* am not responsible for modifying or applying
scn definitions and trademarks. that is what the
cos does. go argue with them!
[...]
| > � � � � i am not ars.
|
| But you adjust to the general behaviour, and you are here on the ARS.
what does that mean? that all critics are the same?
[...]
| Again the CoS nor anyone else may alter original definitions. The CoS
| does not have that right...
if you are so dead-sure this is so, then call the
police and have cos leaders arrested for illegally
altering the original material. or hire a lawyer
and sue them.
[...]
| > � � � � this is your 'logic': you ask for evidence of a
| > � � � � claim, ignore the evidence when provided, then
| > � � � � argue about a different issue. i think you need
| > � � � � to word-clear 'logical'!
|
| You need to get grip of the concept of the subject of Scientology/
| Dianetics and what it involves.
word-clearing is not part of the subject of scn??
[...]
| I was ignored, read on OCMB, no one gives a damn about the
| incorrectnesses.
it means nothing that your complaints on ars did not
get the list changed. have you contacted the actual
list-maintainers yet?
[...]
| > �| �The list is a joke, a very big one...
| >
| > � � � � please provide evidence (which i won't accept :).
|
| Nonono, evidence need to be provided that in particular the about 10
| persons that I noted actually do belong on the list.
nonono, i don't need and did not ask for evidence
that the list has errors -- i'm sure it does. i
want evidence that the list is a joke.
[...]
| > � � � � you will not accept evidence that you ask for when
| > � � � � it is provided so you continue to present your
| > � � � � inaccurate accusations as if they were The Truth;
|
| Delusional?
i'm glad to see that you finally realize your
behavior makes you look delusional.
| > � � � � you argue about a different issues to avoid the
| > � � � � facts; you never answer questions even when they are
| > � � � � simple and straighforward
|
| Pretty much a lie...
evidence that it is a lie, please. you can't just
make statements like that without backing them up
with some substance.
| > (have you contacted the
| > � � � � people responsible for the list yet to give them
| > � � � � your suggested corrections?). i'm sorry that the
| > � � � � description of your behavior is unflattering....
|
| Read the discussion on OCMB.
i don't read ocmb.
|They don't give a f***.
so what? afaik, ocmb did not make the list and do
not maintain it so they have no control over it.
have you contacted the *actual* list-maintainers
with your suggested corrections?
l.l.lipshitz
<roadrunn...@gmail.com> wrote in
<33fac627-2175-4a12...@a13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>:
[...]
| Are you not able to duplicate that what I wrote!!! The list does not
| represent those that claim that Scientlogy does not work. Christ!!!!
afaik, ars does not control the list so complaining
about it here does nothing to get it fixed.
have you contacted the actual list-maintainers?
maybe they would consider a change to 'former
members of the church of scn who have spoken out
against the church' (or words to that effect). it
seems reasonable to me. would that address your
concerns?
[...]
Roadrunner
> On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:31:39 -0700 (PDT), Roadrunner
> <d2823e70-6f8e-4d76-86f4-c1dad1f0e...@v20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:
> | On 1 Aug, 18:18, "l.l.lipshitz" <elk...@seesig.info> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> | Definitions you get from dictionaries and the sorts, not trademark
> | terms.
>
> yep, that's what i've been saying: trademarks and
> definitions are 2 different things. i guess you
> haven't been paying attention....
At EVERY turn you try to hit someone with a sneer. You said before you
were not ARS, you damn well adjust to it's demands.
Trademarks got nothing to do with it, you don't want to get that,
ENTIRELY irrelevant.
>
> |It does not grant them any right if it is opposed to or alter
> | the properly established use of the word. This is the source of your
> | confusion...
>
> sorry, you are wrong. because the cos owns all
> of hubbard's scn material, they can do whatever
> the hell they want with it. *legally*.
KSW, you don't have a clue do ya!!! It is PROHIBITED within the
Scientology writings.
>you may
> believe they have the moral obligation to keep
> the tech pure but that is not the same as their
> legal right. altering the tech is not against the
> law and there's nothing you or anyone can do about
> it, except install new leaders who think like you
> or leave the 'church to practice 'original' scn as
> you believe hubbard intended.
There are NO moral obligations, change it, and it will not be
Scientology anymore. You saying 'altering the tech is not against the
law' shows that you really have no clue about the subject of
Scientology, none... This is a joke... .-)
I see you write more ignorance here under, I'll skip that...
You should establish what the subject is about and how it works. Most
importantly KSW. You really don't understand that, which let me think
you have never been involved properly with the subject.
RR
Roadrunner
> On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 03:26:56 -0700 (PDT), Roadrunner
> <33fac627-2175-4a12-a840-3d7829d49...@a13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>:
>
> [...]
>
> | Are you not able to duplicate that what I wrote!!! The list does not
> | represent those that claim that Scientlogy does not work. Christ!!!!
>
> afaik, ars does not control the list so complaining
> about it here does nothing to get it fixed.
The word gets around, Tigger proposed my query on OCMB. I intended to
arouse a discussion on it a bit.
>
> have you contacted the actual list-maintainers?
> maybe they would consider a change to 'former
> members of the church of scn who have spoken out
> against the church' (or words to that effect). it
> seems reasonable to me. would that address your
> concerns?
That would be quite an improvement. Although to remain proper it
should be mentioned as well that ''a variety of ex-CoS continue to
practice Scientology as it was originally developed'' ... or something
along that line. I think it should be included, if known, at each name
entry if they still practice it. A few had actually this notice.
RR
Jommy Cross
<d2823e70-6f8e-4d76...@v20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:
>On 1 Aug, 18:18, "l.l.lipshitz" <elk...@seesig.info> wrote:
<snip>
>>
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 this is your 'logic': you ask for evidence of a
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 claim, ignore the evidence when provided, then
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 argue about a different issue. i think you need
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 to word-clear 'logical'!
>
>You need to get grip of the concept of the subject of Scientology/
>Dianetics and what it involves.
<snip>
Are you totally OUT OF YOUR MIND, what rubbish you tell here. And do
you back this up with exact sources? No, of course you will not...
Fluffy Debate Maven
"Roadrunner" <roadrunn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:33fac627-2175-4a12...@a13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On 1 Aug, 23:46, Ball of Fluff <amafluffyg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 31, 10:56 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > They are OPPOSITES, seems you can't differentiate matters then...
>
> That's an ad hom. Your rudeness to other contributors is part of the
> reason you get as much flak as you get on forums.
> My rudeness? Are you kidding me??? It is indeed very clear on what
> side you are on... It is my right to point out gross incorrectnesses
> which is basically all I did, and at the same ignore the rudenesses
> uttered against me...
No, I'm not kidding. Here's something you said to me:
"seems you can't differentiate matters then..."
And the things you've said to others here are worse. You post a lot of
insults. That's why I disapprove of you and that's why it's not working out
so wonderfully here for you.
> My experiences on forums is that one has to submit to the general
> line, if not, you get kicked very quickly. haven't you learned anythng
> at all from Scientology and bank-agreements?
I've noticed the same thing. Some people on some forums can be shits. But no
reason you have to be one, too.
> Appears not, and that's
> why you say the things that you say.
More ad hominems. That's why I don't like your posts.
>
> Yes, yes, I know they're opposites. And my previous comment stands.
>
>
>
> > > If that were the criterion, nobody would be able to make any lists of
> > > any BODY ever.
>
> > The criteria is that they are opposites although they are both not
> > involved with CoS. Nonetheless the list is presented as all htose that
> > say that Scienotology does not work.
>
> So what? The people on it can still be opposites and still have that
> particular stance.
> Are you not able to duplicate that what I wrote!!! The list does not
> represent those that claim that Scientlogy does not work. Christ!!!!
"blah blah, you're so stupid, I'm the only one who's smart, yap yap."
>
>
>
> > If you approve of that, then your intent is quite clear...
>
> Oh blow it out your ass.
> Indeed, you INTENT is quite clear at that!!! You APPROVE of
> premeditated misrepresentation.
Oh, suck shit out my ass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--zg5SogLLI
>Barbara Schwarz is quite right about you...
Oooh, I'm cut to the quick. In fact, I think I feel a little prick there.
A *very* *little* prick...
C