New OT8 E.P "Now I know who I am not and I am interested in finding out who I am"
Michael Pattinson
record by Scientology attorney Samuel Rosen, in a formal deposition.
I guess it might possibly be Scientology's foremost confidential data,
apart from where the money goes, and who controls it?
MP.
Michael Pattinson
PS Of course, something already posted to the public record and the
internet is no longer "confidential".
Out_Of_The_Dark
Wow.'New OT8 E.P "Now I know who I am not and I am interested in
finding out who I am" "
Sounds like the upper 'bridge to total freedom' is actually continuous
vortex into eternal nonexistence.
ZretsulCuneX
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID:
<1156103798.7...@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
And the Organization Header: http://groups.google.com.
The famous author: "Out_Of_The_Dark" <xscilen...@yahoo.com>.
Wrote on the subject: Re: New OT8 E.P "Now I know who I am not and I am
interested in finding out who I am":
Nirvana!
ZretsulCuneX
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID:
Wrote on the subject: New OT8 E.P "Now I know who I am not and I am
interested in finding out who I am":
>This E.P was forced out of me (confirmed by video) and into the public
That EP has been known for thousands of years, as Nirvana!
However Hubbard made big bucks from it :-)
Zinj
74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, mpatt...@gmail.com says...
**************WARNING - SPOILER FOLLOWS*********************8
Once the mooch has discovered that he's not himself, he's led
down the primrose path to discovering that he's actually L. Ron
Hubbard.
Probably around OT XV
Zinj
--
You Can Lead a Clam to Reason; but You Can't Make Him Think
Skipper
Michael Pattinson <mpatt...@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me translate this for you from the mind of the person who wrote it:
I am the charlatan Lafayette Ronald Hubbard and I haven't the slightest
idea what the hell is going on in this world, so maybe this will fool
you into continuing to chase the carrot I sucked out of Aleister
Crowley's evil ass.
Ted
"Michael Pattinson" <mpatt...@gmail.com> wrote:
So what does this mean in the world of Scientology? It means the new
OT-8 is just beginning the Enemy Formula: Find out who you really are.
See the Registrar first.
What a bunch of fraudulent shit OT-8 turned out to be.
--
Ted
Zinj
@aurora.lightlink.com>, ted_c...@hotmail.com says...
<snip>
> So what does this mean in the world of Scientology? It means the new
> OT-8 is just beginning the Enemy Formula: Find out who you really are.
> See the Registrar first.
>
> What a bunch of fraudulent shit OT-8 turned out to be.
>
> Ted
This EP is more profound than you seem to get.
After years and hundreds of thousands of dollars the 'cog' is
that 'I know who I am not'
The reality there is that the person who the new OTVIII is *not*
is himself.
Scientology is a long, drawn out process of, first eliminating
pieces of yourself piecemeal *then* discovering that the remnant
of 'personality' that remains *is not you*
All that remains is to find out who you 'really' are.
But; it won't be you.
Mike O'Connor
"Michael Pattinson" <mpatt...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've never been a member, but I try to follow...
Don't you learn who you are not in OTIII?
There, you learn you aren't a human, but an alien who has been implanted
by Xenu and others, infested with BTs, and so on.
The rest of the levels, I hear, basically pop off BT from you. But do
you learn more about what you are not?
--
LYING IS A SCIENTOLOGY SACRAMENT
ASK THEM ABOUT XENU
Remember Lisa McPherson
Ted
Zinj <zinj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <ted_crammer-2ADED9.17350920082006
> @aurora.lightlink.com>, ted_c...@hotmail.com says...
>
> <snip>
>
> > So what does this mean in the world of Scientology? It means the new
> > OT-8 is just beginning the Enemy Formula: Find out who you really are.
> > See the Registrar first.
> >
> > What a bunch of fraudulent shit OT-8 turned out to be.
> >
>
> > Ted
>
> This EP is more profound than you seem to get.
Oh, I get it alright.
You said the same thing only with more words.
Feel better now?
--
Ted
Michael Pattinson
It is Life Repair II, 20 years after and $300,000 poorer.
MP
ida...@aol.com
I think the main thing they learn on OT8 is they have a lot less money
than when they bought the con of old LRon.
My son went on the Free (hohoho) Winds and when he came back to
LA and deplaned he went immediately to the hospital. He has been on
dialysis ever since. The OT8 didn't do the damage but using the LRH
help when he had cancer is what caused it all. He is not the first and
prolly not the last.( I am just grateful that friends got him to the
hospital
where he needed 8 tranfusions. )
OT8 didn't improve his communication skills either. At least not
between
us. Very sad I think for both of us as we truly enjoyed each other
prior
to the invasion of the destructive and dangerous cult.
Ida Camburn
>From the Mind Alive by the Overstreets 1954
When Mental Health is Threatened
"That which promotes psychoic health and the full vital aliveness of
the mind, deserves support. That which underminds such
health-encouraging fixation, regression, perennial immaturity, and
blockages of relationship between the individual and his
environment--is suspect.
zeeorger
> In article <ted_crammer-2ADED9.17350920082006
> @aurora.lightlink.com>, ted_c...@hotmail.com says...
>
> <snip>
>
> > So what does this mean in the world of Scientology? It means the new
> > OT-8 is just beginning the Enemy Formula: Find out who you really are.
> > See the Registrar first.
Scientologists are in a chronic state of confusion.
The way out is to not use more 'tech' ...
> >
> > What a bunch of fraudulent shit OT-8 turned out to be.
> >
>
> > Ted
>
> This EP is more profound than you seem to get.
>
> After years and hundreds of thousands of dollars the 'cog' is
> that 'I know who I am not'
>
> The reality there is that the person who the new OTVIII is *not*
> is himself.
>
> Scientology is a long, drawn out process of, first eliminating
> pieces of yourself piecemeal *then* discovering that the remnant
> of 'personality' that remains *is not you*
>
> All that remains is to find out who you 'really' are.
>
> But; it won't be you.
>
> Zinj
<raised eyebrow> Interesting ...
A schizophrenic without a personality.
Z
Out_Of_The_Dark
ZretsulCuneX,
Help me out on this. Which definition of nirvana below fits with the OT
VIII EP: "Now I know who I am not and I am interested in finding out
who I am" ?
I suspect it's supposed to be more along the lines of the Will Durant
one shown in the list below, where the OT is so deprived of his own
self willed desire, that he sees he never needed to desire in a
self-determined way to begin with? Like, he now has interest in finding
out who he is, minus the dictates of desire influencing his interest?
Or is extinction a better fitting one, lol!
I always thought of nirvana as just a peaceful state of no action, but
since I am too tired right now to review every definition below, I am
hoping you can clue me into which best fit's what you understand of
nirvana.
Definitions of nirvana on the Web:
“extinction” – the soteriological goal of Buddhism; the final
cessation of rebirth into suffering existence.
www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Glossary.htm
Because nibbana is used to denote not only the Buddhist goal, but also
the extinguishing of a fire, it is usually rendered as "extinguishing"
or, even worse, "extinction." However, a study of ancient Indian views
of the workings of fire (see The Mind Like Fire Unbound) reveals that
people of the Buddha's time felt that a fire, in going out, did not go
out of existence but was simply freed from its agitation, entrapment,
and attachment to its fuel. ...
pratyeka.org/a2i/canon/sutta/khuddaka/dhp/glossary.html
in Hindu theory, a condition of happiness arising out of the absolute
cessation of desire.
www.willdurant.com/glossary.htm
the state of enlightenment, in which the causes of rebirth are
eliminated;
livingheritage.org/glossary.htm
In Buddhism, it is basically a blissful spiritual condition where the
heart extinguishes passion, hatred and delusion. It is the highest
spiritual plane one person can attain.
www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/religion/buddhism/terms.html
The state of having extinguished suffering. Nirvana is a spiritual
state in which the bonds of existence are cut away. It is held to be an
ineffable, indefinable experience. It generally is concomitant with
awakening (bodhi). There are two kinds of Nirvana generally admitted.
The first is an incomplete, or 'residual' Nirvana, which is the
experience of Nirvana which occurs while a person is still alive. ...
villa.lakes.com/cdpatton/Dharma/Canon/glossary.html
Lit. Blowing out. Buddhist term for the 'exti nction' of the ego
leading to enlightenment.
www.well.com/user/jct/sageglo.htm
the state of peace and happiness in achieving freedom from the endless
cycles of reincarnation. A state of freedom from pain, worry, and the
external world.
oregonstate.edu/instruct/anth370/gloss.html
blown out or extinguished as in the case of a lamp. Nirvana is
generally used to refer to a material life that has been extinguished,
ie for one who has achieved freedom from re-birth. The term nirvana is
commonly used in Buddhism as the final stage a practitioner strives
for. The word does not mean heaven.
www.sanskrit.org/Sanskrit/sanskritterms.htm
Complete peace, a mind state of complete awareness or enlightenment.
Reached or understood after one frees oneself of all desires and wordly
things.
www.whitneystewart.com/HHDL/Glossary.htm
(Skt.): The state of peace transcending the misery of samsara; the goal
of a practitioner seeking one's own personal liberation. Nirvana is not
a synonym for enlightenment in the mahayana system.
www.bodhipath-west.org/glossary.htm
Originally meant total extinction of desire and suffering. Today it
refers to the state of liberation through full enlightenment. Svabhava
Nirvana: The Primeval Nirvana which is always present, whether we
realize it or not. Non-abiding Nirvana: In which one abides in neither
Samsara (Cycle of Birth and Death) nor ultimate quiescence, Nirvana of
the Buddhas.
www.worldzen.org/glossary.html
Emancipated; etherean heavens; beyond the earth's heavens; the higher
heavens.
www.angelfire.com/in2/oahspe3/glossary.html
A Hindu concept of God-realization, self-realization, or illumination
of the consciousness.
gbgm-umc.org/missionstudies/indiapakistan/glossary.html
Realization of selfless "I"; satori: the experience of enlightenment,
Ie, Self-realization, opening the Mind's eye, awakening to one's
True-nature and hence of the nature of all existence.
mcel.pacificu.edu/as/students/zen1/term.html
Buddhist term for self-realization.
www.yogajournal.com/meditation/142.cfm
Literally blowing out; state to which a Buddhist aspires as the best
attainable.
www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/gloss.htm
Considered as the goal of Theravada Buddhist practice, it is the
liberation from suffering and departure from the endless cyclic
existence.
www.siamese-dream.com/reference/buddhist_glossary.html
from the root 'nirva', to blow out, extinguish. Hence, when all desires
and passions are extinguished the highest bliss or beatitude, reunion
with the Supreme Spirit, may be experienced.
www.geocities.com/doc_gill/sidd.html
A state of supreme contentment, with no desires for worldly things,
reached by meditation and right action.
www.thepeacefulplanet.com/glossary.html
enlightenment, liberation, moksha, release from suffering and
attainment of supreme eternal happiness and state.
www.geocities.com/dnivnd/glossary.html
extinction of karma and rebirth
www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Fac/Adler/Reln275/Buddhist-terms.htm
Sanskrit; literally, "extinction, blowing out"; the goal of spiritual
practice in Buddhism; liberation from the cycle of rebirth and
suffering.
www.geocities.com/mokuraibozu/buddhist_glossary.html
Buddha's remarks about nirvana, there is a unborn, an unoriginated, an
unmade, an uncompounded and it lies beyond the the experience of the
senses. A state of peace an reality. There are various opinion's some
would say that Nirvana is the highest form of samadhi, others would say
that it is something different.
www.paint-the-holy-cow.com/text/glossary.html
(skrt.) - "extinction"; complete extinction of phenomena; the goal of
spiritual practice in all directions of Buddhism. In early Buddhism
Nirvana is referd to as the end of all suffering and the beginning of a
completely new and different state of existence. Later there is a
change in meaning: Nirvana is known as the state of being one with
everything
www.khm.de/~fabian/ensoenglishglossar.html
(Hinduism and Buddhism) the beatitude that transcends the cycle of
reincarnation; characterized by the extinction of desire and suffering
and individual consciousness
Eden: any place of complete bliss and delight and peace
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
In Buddhism, nirvāņa (from the Sanskrit -- Pali: Nibbāna -- Chinese:
涅槃; Pinyin: niè pán), literally "extinction" and/or
"extinguishing", is the culmination of the Buddhist pursuit of
liberation. Siddhartha Gautama, the Buddha, described Buddhism as a
raft which, after floating across a river, will enable the passenger to
reach nirvana. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana
Nirvana was a popular rock band founded in 1987 in Aberdeen,
Washington. Their music was an offshoot of punk and alternative rock
and was labeled grunge rock by the mainstream press and media of the
time. The group disbanded in 1994 upon the death of its leader, Kurt
Cobain. Many critics and historians hail Nirvana as the "flagship band"
of "Generation X".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_(band)
Nirvana is a "Best Of" album by the defunct rock band Nirvana. It was
released on October 29, 2002 by Geffen Records.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_(album)
Nirvana (1998) is the title of a low-budget science-fiction movie,
produced in Italy by director Gabriele Salvatores, starring Christopher
Lambert, Diego Abatantuono and Stefania Rocca. The movie tells the
story of a virtual-reality game designer, Jimi (Lambert), who finds out
that the main character of his game, Solo (played by Abantuono), has
achieved sentience due to an attack by a computer virus. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_(movie)
Nirvana was a British rock band of the late 1960s and early 1970s.
Formed in 1965 in the beginnings of psychedelia, the band, composed of
Alex Spyropoulos and Patrick Campbell-Lyons, produced a number of
singles (notably "Rainbow Chaser", "Pentecost Hotel", and "Tiny
Goddess") for the fledgling Island Records, following them with the
concept album The Story of Simon Simopath. The album was the first
concept album ever. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_(60s_band)
Nirvana is a leafhopper genus belonging to the Nirvaninae subfamily and
the tribe Nirvanini. Distinguishable from other leafhopper subfamilies
by their uniquely shaped head and the presence of two preapical cells
alone on the tegemen, they comprise some of the most beautiful and
iridescent of the leafhoppers.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_(leafhopper)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&defl=en&q=define:nirvana&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
Thanks
Michael Pattinson
Lv
M.
Michael Pattinson
Ironically, after OT8 I started researching books to show me more "who
I am" as Scientology's "Bridge" was behind me. Best one was "Unveiled
Mysteries" by Godfre Ray King. I got into huge trouble for applying the
EP of OT8.
LOL
(but was not funny at the time).
MP
Out_Of_The_Dark
I agree
>After years and hundreds of thousands of dollars the 'cog' is that 'I know who I am not'
Yup, it's like 'Knowing how NOT to Know'
>The reality there is that the person who the new OTVIII is *not* is himself.
Yup. He's a clam, loll!
Not being oneself and knowing it is the EP that one needs to get out of
Scientology.
Very good post, Zinj!
Scamology
end result. I always wondered how the Sea Org can work for $50/week and
hide such a scam.
They must take special glee in the brainwashing of parishioners. Is
finding out, "Now I know who I am not and I am interested in finding
out who I am," worth more than the cost of a good home? Of course that
does not include the extra donations to the IAS, Able, Criminon,
Narconon, WISE, SMI, and ASI. The church is a money bleeding machine.
Michael Pattinson
Scamology wrote:
> For only $300,000-400,000 US you can get to OT8 and find that is the
> end result. I always wondered how the Sea Org can work for $50/week and
> hide such a scam.
>
> They must take special glee in the brainwashing of parishioners. Is
> finding out, "Now I know who I am not and I am interested in finding
> out who I am," worth more than the cost of a good home? Of course that
> does not include the extra donations to the IAS, Able, Criminon,
> Narconon, WISE, SMI, and ASI. The church is a money bleeding machine.
This EP, being so utterly secret, is what keeps all the Scientologists
on the treadmill.
Would they do what they do, pay what they have to pay and go through
all they have to go through if they knew that this was all there was to
the"NEW O.T.8" !!!??
mp
Michael Pattinson
Scamology
Would you pay that if the end phenomena was you realizing, "Now I know
who I am not and I am interested in finding out who I am?"
RolandRB
Scamology wrote:
> It costs about $300,000 to $400,000 US to get to OT 8.
> Would you pay that if the end phenomena was you realizing, "Now I know
> who I am not and I am interested in finding out who I am?"
So you have paid 400,000 USD to find yourself in the
Scientology-defined Condition of Enemy. Time to "find out who you
really are" and pay hundreds of thousands of dollars more.
Michael Pattinson
BUMP to go past Caswell spam.
M
Scamology
Michael Pattinson wrote:
> Scamology wrote:
> > For only $300,000-400,000 US you can get to OT8 and find that is the
> > end result. I always wondered how the Sea Org can work for $50/week and
> > hide such a scam.
> >
> > They must take special glee in the brainwashing of parishioners. Is
> > finding out, "Now I know who I am not and I am interested in finding
> > out who I am," worth more than the cost of a good home? Of course that
> > does not include the extra donations to the IAS, Able, Criminon,
> > Narconon, WISE, SMI, and ASI. The church is a money bleeding machine.
>
>
>
> This EP, being so utterly secret, is what keeps all the Scientologists
> on the treadmill.
> Would they do what they do, pay what they have to pay and go through
> all they have to go through if they knew that this was all there was to
> the"NEW O.T.8" !!!??
>
> mp
>
It truly is a cult to force hundreds of thousands of dollars for that.
You get an OT 8 cognition, "Now I know who I am not and I am interested
in finding out who I am." They get lots of cash for David Miscavige's
Italian suits, shoes, private properties and offshore bank accounts.
They indoctrinate you that the material things are not so important.
But see what happens if you ask for a "free" religious service. You
become an unethical non-producer. You are less than scum.
You want to save money for your kid's education? Nope. it's not as
important as the church and your next service.
You want to save money for Christmas gifts? Nope, you need to do your
next service.
You want to save money for retirement? Nope, it's only one life in
millions. You can die poor and indigent.
You want to save money for your anniversary? Nope, you should get your
husband his next step on the bridge.
You want to save money to start a business? Nope, if you do enough
services, your business will magically materialize from your
postulates. <Cough> <Cough>
It is line after line of lying crap they feed you in the church of
Scientology.
Michael Pattinson
Michael Pattinson wrote:
> This E.P was forced out of me (confirmed by video) and into the public
> record by Scientology attorney Samuel Rosen, in a formal deposition.
>
> I guess it might possibly be Scientology's foremost confidential data,
> apart from where the money goes, and who controls it?
>
> MP.
Keith Henson
I think you miss the point. The reward is not in the "end point" but
the process where you get all that de-licious attention (auditing).
For a some people, it's as rewarding as mainlining cocaine and heroin.
And scientology isn't the only one in the game, this is why people pay
ridiculous amounts of money for psychoanalysis which has been shown to
be ineffective.
Keith Henson
Larry T.
news:450cd3be...@news2.lightlink.com...
Oh Keith, you are so out of it.
My heart goes out to Ariel.
--
http://mysite.verizon.net/toomajan
Lawrence
The Diary of a Scientologist
Michael Pattinson
Is this EP worth $300,000.00 and 20 years of loyal persistence??
Larry T.
news:bb2be0eb97998cfe...@dizum.com...
| $cientology is such a cult. It demands absolute submission to
| the whims of a crazy midget, David Miscavige. It costs more than
| a house to get to OT8. And all you learn is "Now I know who I am
| not and I am interested in finding out who I am."
|
|
| It's a Rip-Off!
| Here's the Tipoff:
|
| * The registrar is more excited than you are.
| * The registrar demands an immediate answer but refuses to
| give you anything in writing.
| * You must pay fees or buy a product before you can receive
| a satisfied product.
| * You must give your credit card or bank account numbers, or
| copies of personal documents - but you get nothing in writing.
| * You must send payment by wire service or courier.
| * You are offered a large payment or reward in exchange for
| allowing the use of your bank account - often for depositing
| checks or transferring money.
| * Your credit card is invoiced for services or materials
| didn't approve.
|
May I add to this?
Sure that is how it goes and IF the service you are paying for is a REAL
Scientology service to begin with.
Not one made up by the registrar to cater to the lack of knoweldge of the
clientele.
In either case the reg and David Miscavige both lose.
An educated consumer is always your best customer.
--
http://mysite.verizon.net/toomajan
Lawrence Toomajan
Michael Pattinson
EP.
I was so looking forward the long awaited and long advertised "Cause
over matter, energy, space and time, both subjective and objective".
That is what I thought I was going to get.
Sheeesh!
MP
Out_Of_The_Dark
Michael Pattinson wrote:
> A lot of people have told me that this EP seems more like a Life Repair
> EP.
> I was so looking forward the long awaited and long advertised "Cause
> over matter, energy, space and time, both subjective and objective".
> That is what I thought I was going to get.
> Sheeesh!
>
> MP <
I love this thread, Michael, especially this last post of yours! lol!!
The 'New OT 8 EP of "Now I know who I am not and I am interested in
finding out who I am" is just to funny to be believed! I agree about
the Life Repair comments but the OT 8 EP would be more along the lines
of what the Life Repair pc might say to indicate they have achieved the
EP, as referenced below:
'EP of Life Repair: "When the pc no longer feels overwhelmed by life
problems, feels certain he has had gains and auditing works for him and
he is F/N VGI he should be ready for Major Actions and the Grades and
you have him attest to Life Repair." '
http://www.freezoneamerica.org/Clearbird/Clearbird2004/sub2/class5_cs/40cs_troubleshooter.htm
Interesting how the L/R EP equals : PC ready to be sent to the
registrar to get whatever money you possibly can out of him towards the
rest of his bridge. lol!
-mary
Michael Pattinson
I still want my money back!
:)
MP
Michael Pattinson
Michael Pattinson
Michael Pattinson wrote:
> Bump past spammers attacks....again.
Genesis
--Find out who you really are-- and then the condition of doubt,
you would of left the group and saved tens of thousands of dollars.
Guess you had a MU....hehehehe
Genesis
"Michael Pattinson" <mpatt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161369084.4...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
OSASpammer
Now I know what my money did not buy, I am interested in finding out
what it did.
Michael Pattinson
LOL
Good one!
MP
Michael Pattinson
Genesis wrote:
> Geeez Michael, if you had done a real good condition of enemy--
> --Find out who you really are-- and then the condition of doubt,
> you would of left the group and saved tens of thousands of dollars.
> Guess you had a MU....hehehehe
>
> Genesis
My MU was that Scientology was not a scam.
Now I know what Scientology is not, and am interested in finding out
where my money went.
OT9?
;)
MP
Michael Pattinson
OSASpammer wrote:
> Michael Pattinson wrote:
> > Thanks!
Verminius Lardiculi
I dunno if it's the same today, but in the early 90's there was a
supposedly 'really powerful' clay-table processing section at the
beginning of the Key to Life course. There were several commands which
direct the person to make various clay representations of 'a problem',
using Hubbbard's oversimple anatomy of problems. So you've got to do
clay representations of 'force-counter-force',
'postulate-counter-postulate', 'intention-counter-intention', etc.
The EP of this section of the Key to Life is that the person says
something like 'Wow, I just realised all this time that I've not been
being me'. The gist of this EP is, yet again, that old Hubbard standard
from the earliest days of dianetics: getting the preclear back in
valence.